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Reply #45 - Aug 11th, 2018 at 5:57pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 4:58pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 4:47pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 4:30pm:
So basically, conventional soldiers cannot be heroes, because there is no way of proving that the soldiers they are fighting would kill anyone, but Thomson is a hero because he let all those My Lai villagers get slaughtered while he filled out the appropriate paperwork.


Is your argument rally that stupid Unforgiven?


You can't be a hero simply by killing someone.

You can be a hero by saving people from being killed.

You can qualify for the Freediver medal by committing atrocities.


This is your position:

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Soldiers killing people cannot be heroic


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Reply #46 - Aug 11th, 2018 at 6:42pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 11:38am:
freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 9:51am:
1. What if you have to kill some people to save others?

2. Would you describe the people fighting IS in Iraq as heroes?

3. What about the soldiers who fought the Nazis?


1. That would require a consideration of the merits of both sides and consideration of the fact that a person isn't killed until they are dead, therefore one cannot presume one person will kill another merely because they are holding a gun. So by the time proper consideration is given the incident may be over.

2. No. Many of them are no better than ISIS which was created out of US mismanagement of Iraq and Saudi radicalization, arming, and funding of Iraqi Sunni extremists. The Saudis have an interest in fomenting chaos in Iraq and Iran and are still doing so. The USA is responsible for the mess in the first place by invading Iraq under false pretexts and then causing Sunnis to be economically and socially ostracized in Iraq.

3. A day at the office. More than 1 million German soldiers died in captivity because of soldiers "office procedures" which included denying shelter, food and medical treatment and in some cases machine gunning them against a wall.


And they hadn't already dished out that sort of treatment of course?  Roll Eyes

Just to one demographic 6 million dead.

You're barking up the wrong tree with your thinly guised racism.


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Reply #47 - Aug 11th, 2018 at 6:59pm
 
Grubberments kill people on a daily basis
Even in Australia.
Not with guns, but with;
Bad policy causing suicide.
Feeding their mates and multinationals policies to cause death by using toxic materials or simply keeping secrets of their toxicity.
Policies aimed at knocking off the aged population through starvation or being unable to heat or cool their homes.
Policies destroying hospitals effectiveness, old people homes and allowing medical funds to fleece people until they die.

There are many others, but there is no denying that grubberments of the world kill many more than just plain soldiers do.

It's the grubberments that need to be put against the wall, not the soldiers.
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Reply #48 - Aug 11th, 2018 at 7:12pm
 
Soldiers killing people cannot be heroic


Depends on who they kill.
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Reply #49 - Aug 11th, 2018 at 7:33pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 4:58pm:
You can qualify for the Freediver medal by committing atrocities.
You can qualify for the Un4 medal by being an apologist for atrocities.
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Reply #50 - Aug 11th, 2018 at 8:02pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 9:43pm:
Why do people who kill other people for a living get labeled war hero?

I challenge the concept that killing people is heroic.

Saving people from being killed is heroic.

Rescuing people in danger or mortal danger is heroic.

Killing people is not heroic.

Soldiers cannot be heroic just by killing people.

So if someone were to try and kill your wife would you be a hero to save her or just sit and watch her die?


What about your daughter or son or anyone you call family?
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Reply #51 - Aug 11th, 2018 at 8:03pm
 
salad in wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 7:12pm:
Soldiers killing people cannot be heroic


Depends on who they kill.

It's a complicated story but yes!
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Reply #52 - Aug 11th, 2018 at 9:28pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 8:02pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 9:43pm:
Why do people who kill other people for a living get labeled war hero?

I challenge the concept that killing people is heroic.

Saving people from being killed is heroic.

Rescuing people in danger or mortal danger is heroic.

Killing people is not heroic.

Soldiers cannot be heroic just by killing people.

So if someone were to try and kill your wife would you be a hero to save her or just sit and watch her die?


What about your daughter or son or anyone you call family?


You are not automatically a hero by killing somebody. They might also have had a just cause or been seeking revenge for their own family's deaths.

The situation you pose is very hypothetical. It might be more rational to save your family by abstaining from alcohol, especially while driving. That would be heroic because you are sacrificing something.
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Reply #53 - Aug 11th, 2018 at 10:14pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 5:57pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 4:58pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 4:47pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 4:30pm:
So basically, conventional soldiers cannot be heroes, because there is no way of proving that the soldiers they are fighting would kill anyone, but Thomson is a hero because he let all those My Lai villagers get slaughtered while he filled out the appropriate paperwork.


Is your argument rally that stupid Unforgiven?


You can't be a hero simply by killing someone.

You can be a hero by saving people from being killed.

You can qualify for the Freediver medal by committing atrocities.


This is your position:

Quote:
Soldiers killing people cannot be heroic


Are you backpedaling?


Unforgiven? You said you stood by this statement, but everything else you say is an attempt to distance yourself from it. Where do you stand?
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Reply #54 - Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:57am
 
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 4:34pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 4:30pm:
So basically, conventional soldiers cannot be heroes, because there is no way of proving that the soldiers they are fighting would kill anyone, but Thomson is a hero because he let all those My Lai villagers get slaughtered while he filled out the appropriate paperwork.


Is that a former marine living creature in your arms ?


What sound does a jellyfish make?
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Reply #55 - Aug 12th, 2018 at 1:10am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 10:14pm:
Unforgiven? You said you stood by this statement, but everything else you say is an attempt to distance yourself from it. Where do you stand?


You are devious and insidious in your manner and your debating style.

It's no wonder you rejoice in the death of Muslims and Arab civilians in general.
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Reply #56 - Aug 12th, 2018 at 8:12am
 
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 1:10am:
freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 10:14pm:
Unforgiven? You said you stood by this statement, but everything else you say is an attempt to distance yourself from it. Where do you stand?


You are devious and insidious in your manner and your debating style.

It's no wonder you rejoice in the death of Muslims and Arab civilians in general.



You know, you pathetic bag of crap, you enjoy the privilege of being able to post your twisted opinions because brave men fought to allow you that privilege, some giving their lives. Now bugger off and crawl back under that rock you crawled out from under, you disgusting little turd. 
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Re: Soldiers killing people cannot be heroic
Reply #57 - Aug 12th, 2018 at 9:05am
 
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 1:10am:
freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 10:14pm:
Unforgiven? You said you stood by this statement, but everything else you say is an attempt to distance yourself from it. Where do you stand?


You are devious and insidious in your manner and your debating style.

It's no wonder you rejoice in the death of Muslims and Arab civilians in general.


Grin It's your own thread title Unforgiven. Do you stand by it or not?

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Reply #58 - Aug 12th, 2018 at 9:26am
 
If soldiers didn't kill people

The idiots who argue that killing does not make hero's wouldn't be here

They would be grovelling under the rule of people who look at cowards and laugh.

The only way to fight despots is to fight them

Not talk to them, not call them stupid made up names, not sending limp wristed lisping pansies to try and shame them into obedieance.

And in war, people will be killed.
Sometimes innocent people.
How many soldiers died in Hiroshema?
How many innocent people?

In the heat of battle, men no longer see others as people
They are trained to kill
They become killing machines.

They throw themselves at almost certain death.

These men are all heros

For more than any cowardly pansy sitting in a nice safe country.

How dare these cowards even dare to dispute the heroics of these men?
How dare these pansy cowardly slugs dare to cast aspersions on any soldier?

They are not worthy to lick the mud off the feet of a hero.

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Reply #59 - Aug 12th, 2018 at 11:07am
 
Valkie, your mouth is bigger than your courage. You are a lip service patriot.

If you really believed what you posted below you would have joined the military when your beliefs became evident to you and you would have been joyfully killing people.

Valkie I call you out as a fraud against humanity.

Valkie wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 9:26am:
If soldiers didn't kill people

The idiots who argue that killing does not make hero's wouldn't be here

They would be grovelling under the rule of people who look at cowards and laugh.

The only way to fight despots is to fight them

Not talk to them, not call them stupid made up names, not sending limp wristed lisping pansies to try and shame them into obedieance.

And in war, people will be killed.
Sometimes innocent people.
How many soldiers died in Hiroshema?
How many innocent people?

In the heat of battle, men no longer see others as people
They are trained to kill
They become killing machines.

They throw themselves at almost certain death.

These men are all heros

For more than any cowardly pansy sitting in a nice safe country.

How dare these cowards even dare to dispute the heroics of these men?
How dare these pansy cowardly slugs dare to cast aspersions on any soldier?

They are not worthy to lick the mud off the feet of a hero.

SCUM

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