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Despite hysterical statements by idiots (HAARP, a device to study the ionosphere is cooling the atmosphere (what power supply, where does it put the heat etc etc?)) Or jets are spreading “chemtrails” to block out the sun and so on.

The easiest way, some way to get aerosols, SO2, to the top of the atmosphere. Will need a lot and they won’t stay up there so we get sulphurous/sulphuric acid raining down. Lovely.

Any attempts like that don’t reduce emissions so seas will still acidify.

No, reducing warming of the globe will involve reducing emissions: switching from coal/gas generation to nuclear + renewable is one way.

Going into science fiction. . .

A space elevator, a geostationary satellite connected by a strong cable to the bit of earth it hangs over so a lift can go up to bring supplies and personnel to the satellite.

The satellite can be used to maintain a giant sail covered in solar cells, the power from that being conveyed by a power cable connected between the geostationary satellite and its anchor point. A few of these—endless power with no pollution of any kind.

A lift need not blast away from earth like a rocket.


Just an idea from science fiction. We do have computers that can control the orbit of the satellite, monitor the sail etc.
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Reply #1 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:44pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:19pm:
Any attempts like that don’t reduce emissions so seas will still acidify.


Rubbish. The seas will not turn acid. They will remain alkaline. Only in "Climate Science"TM does acidify mean less alkaline.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:19pm:
We do have computers that can control the orbit of the satellite, monitor the sail etc.



yes. How many satellites? What regions should it shade? What will happen to plant growth without direct sunlight? Install hydroponics on a worldwide scale?
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Reply #2 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 3:18pm
 
You have no brain.

I was not talking of shading the earth.
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Reply #3 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 3:36pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 3:18pm:
You have no brain.

I was not talking of shading the earth.



So the sail would do what? Move the earth further from the Sun?
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Reply #4 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 4:31pm
 
How about you try R E A D I N G ?
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Reply #5 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 4:46pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 4:31pm:
How about you try R E A D I N G ?


How about you quit science fiction and go back to science fantasy.
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Reply #6 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 5:24pm
 
Wow, you can’t read and see what I said? That is pathetic, Lees!
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Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 5:24pm:
Wow, you can’t read and see what I said? That is pathetic, Lees!



Oh you mean this bit?-

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:19pm:
The satellite can be used to maintain a giant sail covered in solar cells, the power from that being conveyed by a power cable connected between the geostationary satellite and its anchor point.


Wow. That's even worse. What would the weight of the cable be to take the amperage? Multiply by the length. About 36K kilometres. The weight of the anchoring cable? The power to maintain geostationary position while also handling the loads imparted by the cables?

Be prepared to cut the cable in event of a storm. You don't want it breaking while still being powered up. The heavy cable would be bad enough let alone the people electrocuted if it was live.

As I said go back to climate fantasy.
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Finally found the bit? Clever boy!
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Reply #9 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 7:46pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:58pm:
Finally found the bit? Clever boy!

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Reply #10 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 7:47pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:58pm:
Finally found the bit? Clever boy!



yeah. Cleverer than you believing this twaddle.
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Reply #11 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 7:51pm
 
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Reply #12 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 8:53pm
 
Is that an attempt at a comeback? Oh dear!

Who said this was SciFi? Hmmmm? I believe that were me.

It is amazing tho, that a suggestion of progress, admitted right from the start is fiction, still scares 10 different kinds of schit out of Lees. All I can say is: Wow!
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Reply #13 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 9:20pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 8:53pm:
Who said this was SciFi? Hmmmm? I believe that were me.

It is amazing tho, that a suggestion of progress, admitted right from the start is fiction, still scares 10 different kinds of schit out of Lees. All I can say is: Wow!



But the trouble with it being science fiction is you believe it.
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Reply #14 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 9:42pm
 
Nope.

But you DID get scared schitless by even a SciFi alternative power source.

The space elevator is a very old idea in SciFi, I must have read about it in the 70s but the stories doubtless date back further. Can’t find much decent ScFi anymore (Neal Stephenson a BIG exception as is Terry Pratchett.)

One story was a bit prescient: one such cable was attacked by terrorists, some separatist group IIRC, not Muslims.

And Lees got scared of an idea! {Imagine millions of emoticons}
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Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 9:42pm:
Nope.

But you DID get scared schitless by even a SciFi alternative power source.

The space elevator is a very old idea in SciFi, I must have read about it in the 70s but the stories doubtless date back further. Can’t find much decent ScFi anymore (Neal Stephenson a BIG exception as is Terry Pratchett.)

One story was a bit prescient: one such cable was attacked by terrorists, some separatist group IIRC, not Muslims.

And Lees got scared of an idea! {Imagine millions of emoticons}



Sorry I would prefer just to use the laugh emoticon.

You are a true believer. Science fantasy and science fiction.
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Reply #16 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 10:01pm
 
Poor Lees, found out at last, even fictional progress scares him schitless.

Aren’t you just a little bit ashamed, Lees, letting your fear show like that?
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Reply #17 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 10:33pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 10:01pm:
Aren’t you just a little bit ashamed, Lees, letting your fear show like that?


No.The fear is because people believe people like you.
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Reply #18 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 10:39pm
 
No. You were scared schitless—by an idea, a bit of fiction.

Incredibly sad. Funny too in a sad and weird way.
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lee wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:13pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 5:24pm:
Wow, you can’t read and see what I said? That is pathetic, Lees!



Oh you mean this bit?-

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:19pm:
The satellite can be used to maintain a giant sail covered in solar cells, the power from that being conveyed by a power cable connected between the geostationary satellite and its anchor point.


Wow. That's even worse. What would the weight of the cable be to take the amperage? Multiply by the length. About 36K kilometres. The weight of the anchoring cable? The power to maintain geostationary position while also handling the loads imparted by the cables?

Be prepared to cut the cable in event of a storm. You don't want it breaking while still being powered up. The heavy cable would be bad enough let alone the people electrocuted if it was live.

As I said go back to climate fantasy.

OMG Lee has turned into FD, It's like reading the Tassy Israel Debate
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If u put the cable up and it snap's at the top
When it falls down and crashes into a city and kils 5,000,000 million jews, will u still want it built ? Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #22 - Aug 11th, 2018 at 6:57am
 
ahahahaha ’Hippy!

I could not believe something I SAID was fiction could still scare Lees schitless because it posited a way of getting endless clean energy. Just how scared of change do you need to be that a fictional power source scares you? Wow, just wow!
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Reply #23 - Aug 11th, 2018 at 12:21pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 6:57am:
I could not believe something I SAID was fiction could still scare Lees schitless because it posited a way of getting endless clean energy.



So tell us how we would get endless clean energy? Would it be subject to asteroid strike? It wouldn't have an atmosphere to burn up the asteroid like earth has.

What size would it be? Would it cast a shadow? Wink
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Poor Lees. Did you poop yourself reading about the space elevator etc?
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lee wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 12:21pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 6:57am:
I could not believe something I SAID was fiction could still scare Lees schitless because it posited a way of getting endless clean energy.



So tell us how we would get endless clean energy? Would it be subject to asteroid strike? It wouldn't have an atmosphere to burn up the asteroid like earth has.

and r u willing to kill 6 million Jews as well ? Wink
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Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 12:23pm:
Poor Lees. Did you poop yourself reading about the space elevator etc?



Yeah It travelled too fast. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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I thought it was five million? Inflation, I guess.  Smiley
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DonDeeHippy wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 12:23pm:
and r u willing to kill 6 million Jews as well ?



DDH proving once again what a lightweight he is.
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lee wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 12:25pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 12:23pm:
and r u willing to kill 6 million Jews as well ?



DDH proving once again what a lightweight he is.

yup , u got me Lee..... Wink (and it cut deep)
hey how about big mirrors and reflect down to earth at nights and keep the land sunny all day ?
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DonDeeHippy wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 12:35pm:
hey how about big mirrors and reflect down to earth at nights and keep the land sunny all day ?


Really, really stupid aren't you? Or was that supposed to be a joke?
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lee wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 12:44pm:
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hey how about big mirrors and reflect down to earth at nights and keep the land sunny all day ?


Really, really stupid aren't you? Or was that supposed to be a joke?

If a stupid person call's u stupid.... does that make u smart  Cheesy Cheesy
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DonDeeHippy wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 12:49pm:
If a stupid person call's u stupid.... does that make u smart



No but a smart person calling you stupid you should take notice of.

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lee wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 1:36pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 12:49pm:
If a stupid person call's u stupid.... does that make u smart



No but a smart person calling you stupid you should take notice of. Wink

and I know u will take notice  Grin
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Of course I take notice of me. You not at all.
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lee wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 1:45pm:
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Of course I take notice of me. You not at all.

so you take notice , when u call yourself stupid ?? Cheesy
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Lees is so smart, it took him three goes to actually read what I had posted about the sail {few thousand emoticons}

Then the idea scared him so much he had to change underpants despite me saying beforehand it was an old SciFi idea.
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DonDeeHippy wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 1:48pm:
lee wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 1:45pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 1:38pm:
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Of course I take notice of me. You not at all.

so you take notice , when u call yourself stupid ?? Cheesy


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DonDeeHippy wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 1:48pm:
so you take notice , when u call yourself stupid ??



Yes. I have called myself stupid on occasion. It is a fact of life people make stupid mistakes.

But I assume that you have never admitted to making a stupid mistake. That shows a certain je ne sais quoi.
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Hmmm better watch out, ’Hippy!
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Some models are predictive.

Some summarize data over big areas. More like stats.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 3:06pm:
Some models are predictive.

Some summarize data over big areas. More like stats.


Climate models are not predictive.

And stats aren't meaningful. It is only a "likelihood" of something happening.
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Some climate models are predictive and I mentioned one today, the first of the modern radiative-convective numerical model. It did VERY well.

Some are descriptive. Stats tells you things about samples and populations.
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Some climate models are predictive and I mentioned one today, the first of the modern radiative-convective numerical model. It did VERY well.



You mean the one you said modern ones did better? So what assumptions were included?

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Some are descriptive. Stats tells you things about samples and populations.


And only tell you about "likelihoods".
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Hmmm better watch out, ’Hippy!



You only quoted one example. I guess Google wasn't your friend.
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lee wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 3:02pm:
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so you take notice , when u call yourself stupid ??



Yes. I have called myself stupid on occasion. It is a fact of life people make stupid mistakes.

But I assume that you have never admitted to making a stupid mistake. That shows a certain je ne sais quoi.

That's ok I don't mind when u make a mistake Lee

you know what happens when u assume something........
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Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 3:06pm:
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Some summarize data over big areas. More like stats.

I wonder if Elle McPherson could predict things ..........
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She had some amazing statistics I am told.
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yes It makes an ass of you but not me.
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you know what happens when u assume something........



yes It makes an ass of you but not me.

that's what u r, but what am I ??????
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that's what u r, but what am I ??????



if you have to ask it doesn't make you smart.
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