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DonDeeHippy Gold Member Offline Cool Stuff Posts: 2782 Australia Gender:	Re: The biggest threat to Freedom and democracy Reply #15 - Aug 11^th, 2018 at 11:02am Frank wrote on Aug 11^th, 2018 at 9:56am: Well, there are no free and democratic Muslim countries. Yup or Communist or Buddhist and Quite a few Christian Countries.....
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 57150 Here Gender:	Re: The biggest threat to Freedom and democracy Reply #16 - Aug 11^th, 2018 at 11:07am freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2018 at 6:16pm: Can you cite a greater modern threat to freedom and democracy than Islam Gandalf? The Nutter leader Donny Trump would be up there.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47356 At my desk.	Re: The biggest threat to Freedom and democracy Reply #17 - Aug 11^th, 2018 at 11:09am Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2018 at 11:07am: freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2018 at 6:16pm: Can you cite a greater modern threat to freedom and democracy than Islam Gandalf? The Nutter leader Donny Trump would be up there. Do you think he is a greater threat to freedom and democracy than Islam?
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Reply #18 - Aug 11^th, 2018 at 11:44am

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2018 at 11:09am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2018 at 11:07am:

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2018 at 6:16pm:

Can you cite a greater modern threat to freedom and democracy than Islam Gandalf?

The Nutter leader Donny Trump would be up there.

Do you think he is a greater threat to freedom and democracy than Islam?

Ask me, FD.

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Reply #19 - Aug 13^th, 2018 at 1:12pm

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2018 at 6:16pm:

Can you cite a greater modern threat to freedom and democracy than Islam Gandalf?

Yes, hypocrite freedom warriors (like you) who turn a blind eye to the persecution/discrimination of minorities.

Tell me FD, whose freedoms do you think are under greater threat in the west:

1. people who want to criticise Islam?
2. muslims who want to practice their religion (things like wearing the burqa)?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47356 At my desk.	Re: The biggest threat to Freedom and democracy Reply #20 - Aug 13^th, 2018 at 1:13pm Let's ask Charlie Hebdo and Salman Rushdie.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: The biggest threat to Freedom and democracy Reply #21 - Aug 13^th, 2018 at 1:29pm Or perhaps we could ask the women in France and Belgium, and now the Netherlands who want to wear the burqa.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47356 At my desk.	Re: The biggest threat to Freedom and democracy Reply #22 - Aug 13^th, 2018 at 1:34pm Do you think people who speak out against the burqa ban are the biggest threat to freedom and democracy?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: The biggest threat to Freedom and democracy Reply #23 - Aug 13^th, 2018 at 1:42pm I'm sorry FD - you seem to be confused by the simple concept of not being able to wear what you want is actually the threat to freedom and democracy. Either that or this is what passes for FD humour.
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Reply #24 - Aug 13^th, 2018 at 1:52pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 13^th, 2018 at 1:12pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2018 at 6:16pm:

Can you cite a greater modern threat to freedom and democracy than Islam Gandalf?

Yes, hypocrite freedom warriors (like you) who turn a blind eye to the persecution/discrimination of minorities.

Tell me FD, whose freedoms do you think are under greater threat in the west:

1. people who want to criticise Islam?
2. muslims who want to practice their religion (things like wearing the burqa)?

I'm not FD, but i will tell you nonetheless....

ANSWER;
#1, people who want to criticise Islam
BECAUSE; moslems, will, if they are unopposed, seek to normalise the practice their religion [locally],
as Theocratic totalitarianism.

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mortimer says

Aug 10, 2018 at 7:59 pm

35 FACTS about Islam that are HATABLE and unacceptable:

1 No Golden Rule 2 No free speech 3 No democracy 4 Jihad – holy war of supremacism 5 Honour killings 6 Taqiyya – sacred lying 7 Taqlid – group think 8 Circular reasoning 9 Misogyny – repression of women 10 Rape of kafirs as jihad prizes 11 Genocide 12 Ethnic cleansing 13 Al-Walaa wal-Baraa – Islamic apartheid 14 Torture 15 Plundering 16 Cruel and unusual punishments 16 Backwardness – stagnation 17 Violence against women 18 Slavery 19 Discriminatory Sharia law 20 Hatred of the arts 21 No music 22 Pedophilia disguised as child marriage 23 Fifty generations of cousin marriage and genetic defects 24 Cruelty to animals 25 Extortion tax to humiliate disbelievers 26 No historic basis 27 Anti-intellectual obscurantism 28 FGM 29 Arab racism 30 Theocratic totalitarianism 31 Vigilantism 32 Amoral, opportunistic character of Mohammed that all Muslims must imitate 33 Hatred of non-Muslims as an essential doctrine 34 History of Islam includes the genocidal murders of 270 million non-Muslims in Islamic holy wars, terrorism, persecutions and enslavement directed against non-Muslims.

mortimer says

Aug 10, 2018 at 8:38 pm

35. Holy books of Islam contain more violence than all other foundational religious texts.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/08/video-imam-whose-son-was-training-school-shoo...

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: The biggest threat to Freedom and democracy Reply #25 - Aug 13^th, 2018 at 1:59pm Yadda, say if you were king for the day, would you say that the religous freedoms of muslims would be under threat?
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Reply #26 - Aug 13^th, 2018 at 5:03pm

freediver wrote on Aug 13^th, 2018 at 1:13pm:

Let's ask Charlie Hebdo and Salman Rushdie.

No no, let's ask protesters in Charlottesville who don't like being murdered, kids separated from their parents at the US border for being tinted, or all those Brexit voters who've changed their minds, realising they've been cheated.

The biggest threat to what you call liberal democracy, FD, is your very own bigotry. You acknowledge this too. You said you changed your mind.

This is, without a doubt, the biggest threat to the West since Hitler.

The fact that it's the return of white supremacist totalitarianism is demonstrated by your preference for the KKK over Muslim women doing their shopping. This one says it all.

You have abandoned "liberal democracy", I.e, global development through free trade and ideas, for a race war. Remember?

You changed your mind. The fact that you must use porkies to spread your agenda is the tell-all. Ultimately, the real tool is hatred. You offer a return to Apartheid, the White Australia Policy and Nazi Europe in return for porkies and bile.

It is a jolly world, no?

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Reply #27 - Aug 13^th, 2018 at 5:07pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 13^th, 2018 at 1:42pm:

I'm sorry FD - you seem to be confused by the simple concept of not being able to wear what you want is actually the threat to freedom and democracy.

Either that or this is what passes for FD humour.

FD doesn't get that one. It's the old no-speaka-da-English ruse.

Amazing how many tactics FD borrowed from the old boy.

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Reply #28 - Aug 13^th, 2018 at 5:41pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 13^th, 2018 at 1:59pm:

Yadda, say if you were king for the day, would you say that the religous freedoms of muslims would be under threat?

gandalf,

I do not entertain such fantasies or imaginings.

My feet and my perceptions are firmly planted in the real world, and upon the world i see around me.

As to my attitude toward the moslem.....

My firm obligation to my God, is to treat all others fairly.

As i myself, would want to be treated.

Matthew 7:12
.....all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

But that does not mean that i should excuse, or trust,
those persons whom i know, full-well, follow a philosophy which encourages them, to promote deception, and violence, and murder, and violent religious bigotry, as a supposed religious virtue.

And ISLAM does promote the employment of the deception of non-moslems, as a means for the followers of ISLAM, to seek to achieve their nefarious objectives, in this world.

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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

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How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior

January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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THE PEACEFUL ['MODERATE'] FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM;

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Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims

London, Sept.8 [2007]

A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.

Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.

A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....

He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

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Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

As per......

Matthew 19:16
And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

All Torah law statutes....

Thou shalt do no murder,

Thou shalt not commit adultery,

Thou shalt not steal,

Thou shalt not bear false witness,

Honour thy father and thy mother

All of the above were quoted by Jesus, from the book(s) of the law, the Torah ['the laws of Moses'],
Exodus 20:12-16
Deuteronomy 5:16-20

And including,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
From, Leviticus 19:18

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Unforgiven Gold Member Offline I have sinned Posts: 8879 Gender:	Re: The biggest threat to Freedom and democracy Reply #29 - Aug 13^th, 2018 at 5:49pm Yadda is too busy being an anus every day.
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