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Aug 9th, 2018 at 6:37am
 
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BIG AFRICAN RIOT IN TAYLORS HILL. RESIDENTS TOO SCARED TO GO OUT TO RESTAURANTS


Waleed Aly jokes on The Project: 

I am of African heritage. If there really are a bunch of African gangs, frankly I am offended to not have at least been joined to join one.


If he hurries, he can join one in Taylor's Hill:


A large group of out-of-control African youths have hurled 'a number' of rocks and damaged a police car during a rampage.

This must be the youth demographic that Reserve Bank governor Phillip Lowe was praising today:


The movement to Australia of large numbers of young people over the past decade has changed our demographic profile in a positive way.

A "positive way":
  Shocked

The Herald Sun witnessed dozens of heavily armed riot and plain-clothed police in Taylors Hill and Caroline Springs, with locals told not to leave their houses.

Too afraid to go to a restaurant.
Someone should tell the Junkee website and GetUp!:


The people of Melbourne have hit back at home affairs [minister] Peter Dutton over his ludicrous comments about an imagined crime wave...

Never one to miss out on a race-based scare campaign, Dutton [said] “African gang violence” has made people in Melbourne “scared to go out to restaurants at night time ...”

In response, activist group GetUp! took to Twitter to suggest that anyone out for dinner in Melbourne take a photo of their meal to prove the minister wrong.

I wonder if the residents of Bronte Way in Taylors Hill will get a chance to get to their local restaurant and take a picture:

The resident said they called police about 7.20pm and were told officers had blocked the road near Taylors Hill Coles on Gourlay Rd.

“In one area there is a massive group the police said were Sudanese and near the park in Bronte Way

there was another really large group of Sudanese and they basically said they don’t have it under control but there is a strong police presence,” they said.

“They told me to stay inside, lock the doors and yeah, it’s scary, I’ve got a nine-year-old and an eleven-year-old and they’re scared.”
  Undecided

Taylors Hill resident Peter Lazaridis, who saw 30 youths of African appearance walking in the area, described the situation as “scary”.

Maybe chief Commissioner Graham Ashton should drive out to the residents of Taylor's Hill and tell them it's rubbish to be too scared to go outside:

Victoria's most senior police officer has rubbished suggestions of an "African gang crisis", even asking a reporter, "how long since you've been out for dinner?" in an, at times, extraordinary press conference...


"I've heard people say that Victoria is not a safe place to live," he said.

"That's complete and utter garbage. There are people who have been affected by crime, and that's always been the case, and that's the case in every city in Australia, and the same as every city in the world.

"Victoria is one of the safest places in the world to live ... and the sort of concept that somehow it's unsafe to go out for dinner ... how long since you've been out for dinner?"


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Reply #1 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 6:54am
 
it could be true mechanic.

i dont blame the youth.

they are like a herd of 3 year old colts.

there is either a stallion in the paddock to help them adjust their behaviour (this would be the case if Putin was premier of victoria) or
there is some newtered castrated weakling of a horse "pretending" to be in charge of the paddock.

if you act all "weak sauce", if you refuse to man up and be a role model of masculine energy, then it is entirely predictable (and i would say natural) for the youth who are brimming with testosterone to "act out".

there is only one solution.

a manly man must be in charge.
all the mealy mouthed , hand wringing and excuse making cannot ever alter this fact
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Reply #2 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:20am
 
Melbourne riot.



https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/big-african-riot-in-taylors-hill-...


Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun
August 8, 2018 8:37pm



    The resident said they called police about 7.20pm and were told officers had blocked the road near Taylors Hill Coles on Gourlay Rd.

    “In one area there is a massive group the police said were Sudanese and near the park in Bronte Way

    there was another really large group of Sudanese and they basically said they don’t have it under control but there is a strong police presence,” they said.

    “They told me to stay inside, lock the doors and yeah, it’s scary, I’ve got a nine-year-old and an eleven-year-old and they’re scared.”

    Taylors Hill resident Peter Lazaridis, who saw 30 youths of African appearance walking in the area, described the situation as “scary”.
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Reply #3 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:45am
 
BIG AFRICAN RIOT IN TAYLORS HILL


Have no fear because Premier Andrews will clean up this problem.

Daniel Andrews warns gangs: 'We are coming after you and you will feel the full force of the law


Premier Daniel Andrews has made an angry response to Saturday night's rampage in the city, vowing to "smash" gang violence in Victoria.

Two days after "completely unacceptable" violence rocked Saturday night's Moomba festivities, Mr Andrews fronted the media to promise offenders they would "feel the full force of the law".

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/daniel-andrews-warns-gangs-we-are-co...

I feel better already.
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Reply #4 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:58am
 
always better to have commenced the training of the youth from day 1.

the longer you let an absess fester, the more tissue damage.

you have to be pro active when it comes to training the youth

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Reply #5 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:16am
 
African appearance - isn't  that a race marker?
But there are no races, we are told.

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Reply #6 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:19am
 
salad in wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:45am:
BIG AFRICAN RIOT IN TAYLORS HILL


Have no fear because Premier Andrews will clean up this problem.

Daniel Andrews warns gangs: 'We are coming after you and you will feel the full force of the law


Premier Daniel Andrews has made an angry response to Saturday night's rampage in the city, vowing to "smash" gang violence in Victoria.

Two days after "completely unacceptable" violence rocked Saturday night's Moomba festivities, Mr Andrews fronted the media to promise offenders they would "feel the full force of the law".

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/daniel-andrews-warns-gangs-we-are-co...

I feel better already.

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


at least he didnt claim  he didnt know until he read this mornings news. Grin Grin Grin

I wonder if Bill has heard about this....maybe not! he doesnt do bad news does he?...
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Reply #7 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:50am
 
Anyone else sick to bloody death of how authorities are specifically  avoiding calling the gangs on the street of Melbourne BLACK AFRICANS

Because that's what they are

Melbourne has a huge problem with the BLACK AFRICAN IMPORTS whose idea of sorting a problem is to go to the streets armed with machetes

It is time to get really tough. Identify them and deport them

Once a hard line is taken, they will get the  reality check they  so badly need

Last night in Melbourne citizens were told to stay inside whilst riot Police sorted it

Melbourne is now is in  a state of anarchy
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Reply #8 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:55am
 
well I dont care what goes on in Melb   thats for them to sort out........

they elected Dan   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes nothing to do with me!
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Reply #9 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:20am
 
"Sire.. SIRE... the Africans are revolting!"

"Tell me something new...."


Where is the Ohio National Guard when you need them... slip 'em a bit of the old Amritsar to keep 'em quiet, and Bob's yer uncle... nobody ever rioted against a bunch of armed and firing troops...

Will Dan strike them three times with a wet lettuce leaf?

Our people Once Were Warriors, Dan - now they're nothin'......

For cods - that's what happens to a society when you bash men into the gutter and cut their balls off in every way (why do I oppose Labor these days?  Look at Emma)..... the young 'men' (and 'women') run riot ..... and it's been going on for over forty years here.... Aquascoot is right .....

Red Baron - you coppers had a part in this, too - supinely taking on the mantle of man basher in all situations and getting into ordinary Aussie blokes at any turn to keep them down and under the jackboot of the PC idiots running the show and giving you orders ...

Shame, Australia --- SHAME!
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Reply #10 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:27am
 
BUT THEY ARE NOT AFRICANS...  THEY'RE JUST 2 GROUPS.
Just ask the Victorian police. Hell, they are not even gangs... phew...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #11 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:58am
 
They are like packs of marauding uncivilized throwbacks, no amount of exposure to modern civilization, nor all the creature comforts will change these type.
SHUT THE GATES to these undesirables.
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Reply #12 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:10am
 
xeej wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:58am:
They are like packs of marauding uncivilized throwbacks, no amount of exposure to modern civilization, nor all the creature comforts will change these type.
SHUT THE GATES to these undesirables.


They come to a country where every house isn't armed and dangerous with machetes and AKs, where most people generally go about their business quietly and enjoy the peaceful life - and they see this as weak and easy for the picking..... and instead of being thrown into a cockroach infested cell with a bucket for water and one for slops with fifteen other nasties unwashed in one room and have their feet beaten once a week and cop a beasting from a guard at any time - they get first class air conditioned treatment for a few months and then come out fat and ready to do it all again.

I will never forget the interview with a drug runner in Silverwater that I've mentioned before - he blandly said that he copped two years - his gang paid his bills and he owned a house and was buying another - he'd do it again when he got out and end up rich.  Who cares if he had a criminal record when he had the fat of the land, and his descendants would become doctors and lawyers and politicians and effectively run the show in luxury while the dopey general public worker stayed at the bottom?

Same with these guys - as long as they can prosper and not endure - say - a three strikes rule and twenty years on the chain gang - they laugh it off.

If they are an evil influence, they must be separated from society on a near or totally permanent basis.
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Reply #13 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 11:17am
 
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:20am:
Melbourne riot.



https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/big-african-riot-in-taylors-hill-...


Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun
August 8, 2018 8:37pm



    The resident said they called police about 7.20pm and were told officers had blocked the road near Taylors Hill Coles on Gourlay Rd.

    “In one area there is a massive group the police said were Sudanese and near the park in Bronte Way

    there was another really large group of Sudanese and they basically said they don’t have it under control but there is a strong police presence,” they said.

    “They told me to stay inside, lock the doors and yeah, it’s scary, I’ve got a nine-year-old and an eleven-year-old and they’re scared.”

    Taylors Hill resident Peter Lazaridis, who saw 30 youths of African appearance walking in the area, described the situation as “scary”.


Same thing happening in Italy and other parts of Europe Sad


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Reply #14 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 11:27am
 
There are two reasons Africans are in Australia.

1. Their countries are being bombed; and

2. Closet poms are not up to the job of keeping the population growing and superior gene injection is required.

Let us hope that African genes will overcome the closet pom failure to procreate enough to prevent population decline.
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Reply #15 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:17pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 11:27am:
There are two reasons Africans are in Australia.

1. Their countries are being bombed; and

2. Closet poms are not up to the job of keeping the population growing and superior gene injection is required.

Let us hope that African genes will overcome the closet pom failure to procreate enough to prevent population decline.


its because the useless virtue signally morons of the UNHCR that keep feeding the bastards...

so instead of 100 Million African's begging for food (see pictures on TV with kids with flies on their faces) we now have 200 Million African's begging for food... (with flies on their faces)

the UNHCR has doubled the problem...

they should have been giving them contraception not food...

mind you.. im pretty sure the African Rapist don't wear condoms...  Undecided
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Reply #16 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:21pm
 
Dear o dear. Blackie crime is escalating. When are they going to start deporting these maggots.
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Reply #17 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:22pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 11:27am:
There are two reasons Africans are in Australia.

1. Their countries are being bombed; and

2. Closet poms are not up to the job of keeping the population growing and superior gene injection is required.

Let us hope that African genes will overcome the closet pom failure to procreate enough to prevent population decline.

When has Sudan been bombed by western countries boofhead?
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Reply #18 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:22pm
 
The Mechanic wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:17pm:
im pretty sure the African Rapist don't wear condoms.


Based on the Mechanic's experience?
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Reply #19 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:24pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:22pm:
The Mechanic wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:17pm:
im pretty sure the African Rapist don't wear condoms.


Based on the Mechanic's experience?





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Reply #20 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:26pm
 
salad in wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:45am:
BIG AFRICAN RIOT IN TAYLORS HILL


Have no fear because Premier Andrews will clean up this problem.

Daniel Andrews warns gangs: 'We are coming after you and you will feel the full force of the law


Premier Daniel Andrews has made an angry response to Saturday night's rampage in the city, vowing to "smash" gang violence in Victoria.

Two days after "completely unacceptable" violence rocked Saturday night's Moomba festivities, Mr Andrews fronted the media to promise offenders they would "feel the full force of the law".

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/daniel-andrews-warns-gangs-we-are-co...

I feel better already.


So how many have the police arrested is it zero zip zilch?


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Reply #21 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:27pm
 
The offspring of low intellect khat chewing savages.
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Reply #22 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:28pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:21pm:
Dear o dear. Blackie crime is escalating. When are they going to start deporting these maggots.


Start?

In the last couple of years about 3000 criminals have been deported.

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Reply #23 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:30pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:21pm:
Dear o dear. Blackie crime is escalating. When are they going to start deporting these maggots.


Start?

In the last couple of years about 3000 criminals have been deported.


Look up how many Sudanese have been deported Pecca? It's minute. The government is iffy about sending reffos back to war torn countries. I wouldn't have an issue if I was in charge.
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Reply #24 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:30pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:22pm:
The Mechanic wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:17pm:
im pretty sure the African Rapist don't wear condoms.


Based on the Mechanic's experience?


I always thought he'd be a Rough Rider man.

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Reply #25 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:34pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:27pm:
The offspring of low intellect khat chewing savages.

Sudan average  IQ in 2018.

71.

Ranked 35th in the world.

That's borderline retarded.

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Reply #26 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:35pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:34pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:27pm:
The offspring of low intellect khat chewing savages.

Sudan average  IQ in 2018.

71.

Ranked 35th in the world.

That's borderline retarded.



And yet they have you quaking in your ugg boots.

Hilarious   Grin
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Reply #27 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:36pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:35pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:34pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:27pm:
The offspring of low intellect khat chewing savages.

Sudan average  IQ in 2018.

71.

Ranked 35th in the world.

That's borderline retarded.



And yet they have you quaking in your ugg boots.

Hilarious   Grin

Keep apologising for black crims Pecca. You are doing exactly what's expected.
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Reply #28 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:38pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:35pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:34pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:27pm:
The offspring of low intellect khat chewing savages.

Sudan average  IQ in 2018.

71.

Ranked 35th in the world.

That's borderline retarded.



And yet they have you quaking in your ugg boots.

Hilarious   Grin

Keep apologising for black crims Pecca. You are doing exactly what's expected.


I've never apologised for any criminal, Homo (unlike you).

Did the ugg boot comment hurt?    Grin
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Reply #29 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:43pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:38pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:35pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:34pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:27pm:
The offspring of low intellect khat chewing savages.

Sudan average  IQ in 2018.

71.

Ranked 35th in the world.

That's borderline retarded.



And yet they have you quaking in your ugg boots.

Hilarious   Grin

Keep apologising for black crims Pecca. You are doing exactly what's expected.


I've never apologised for any criminal, Homo (unlike you).

Did the ugg boot comment hurt?    Grin

Nope. Still getting upset over  my cum soaked sock joke I see?
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Reply #31 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:52pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:38pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:35pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:34pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:27pm:
The offspring of low intellect khat chewing savages.

Sudan average  IQ in 2018.

71.

Ranked 35th in the world.

That's borderline retarded.



And yet they have you quaking in your ugg boots.

Hilarious   Grin

Keep apologising for black crims Pecca. You are doing exactly what's expected.


I've never apologised for any criminal, Homo (unlike you).

Did the ugg boot comment hurt?    Grin

Nope. Still getting upset over  my cum soaked sock joke I see?


What joke was that - how many cum soaked socks does it take to change a light bulb?

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Reply #32 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:57pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:38pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:35pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:34pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:27pm:
The offspring of low intellect khat chewing savages.

Sudan average  IQ in 2018.

71.

Ranked 35th in the world.

That's borderline retarded.



And yet they have you quaking in your ugg boots.

Hilarious   Grin

Keep apologising for black crims Pecca. You are doing exactly what's expected.


I've never apologised for any criminal, Homo (unlike you).

Did the ugg boot comment hurt?    Grin

Nope. Still getting upset over  my cum soaked sock joke I see?


What joke was that - how many cum soaked socks does it take to change a light bulb?


I don't know. Go and open your drawer and ask your dried up and desiccated once  possible offspring
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greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:21pm:
Dear o dear. Blackie crime is escalating. When are they going to start deporting these maggots.


Start?

In the last couple of years about 3000 criminals have been deported.

The majority of those were Maori and Islander New Zealanders. Good start though, its certainly raised the average IQ in this country.
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And all the luvvies in unison chant, nuffin to see here, nuffin to be concerned about, nuffin to learn and return their collective heads to holes in the sand.
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Ye Grappler wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:10am:
xeej wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:58am:
They are like packs of marauding uncivilized throwbacks, no amount of exposure to modern civilization, nor all the creature comforts will change these type.
SHUT THE GATES to these undesirables.


They come to a country where every house isn't armed and dangerous with machetes and AKs, where most people generally go about their business quietly and enjoy the peaceful life - and they see this as weak and easy for the picking..... and instead of being thrown into a cockroach infested cell with a bucket for water and one for slops with fifteen other nasties unwashed in one room and have their feet beaten once a week and cop a beasting from a guard at any time - they get first class air conditioned treatment for a few months and then come out fat and ready to do it all again.

I will never forget the interview with a drug runner in Silverwater that I've mentioned before - he blandly said that he copped two years - his gang paid his bills and he owned a house and was buying another - he'd do it again when he got out and end up rich.  Who cares if he had a criminal record when he had the fat of the land, and his descendants would become doctors and lawyers and politicians and effectively run the show in luxury while the dopey general public worker stayed at the bottom?

Same with these guys - as long as they can prosper and not endure - say - a three strikes rule and twenty years on the chain gang - they laugh it off.

If they are an evil influence, they must be separated from society on a near or totally permanent basis.

Australian jails are like five star accommodation are of no deterrent to these backward people. Meanwhile the cops tell the local families to go and lock themselves in their own homes, the terror that children feel in situations like this is of no concern to the politicians and the politically correct bunch they pander to.
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Euthanise them.
They are worthless humans. Nothing positive to give to Australia except furtilise the trees.


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Reply #37 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 5:19pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:35pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:34pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:27pm:
The offspring of low intellect khat chewing savages.

Sudan average  IQ in 2018.

71.

Ranked 35th in the world.

That's borderline retarded.



And yet they have you quaking in your ugg boots.

Hilarious   Grin


Yeah - absolutely petrified at their intellectual achievements... Australia is lagging behind in the brain stakes again....
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Reply #38 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 5:21pm
 
The Mechanic wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 6:37am:
Quote:
BIG AFRICAN RIOT IN TAYLORS HILL. RESIDENTS TOO SCARED TO GO OUT TO RESTAURANTS


Waleed Aly jokes on The Project: 

I am of African heritage. If there really are a bunch of African gangs, frankly I am offended to not have at least been joined to join one.


If he hurries, he can join one in Taylor's Hill:


A large group of out-of-control African youths have hurled 'a number' of rocks and damaged a police car during a rampage.

This must be the youth demographic that Reserve Bank governor Phillip Lowe was praising today:


The movement to Australia of large numbers of young people over the past decade has changed our demographic profile in a positive way.

A "positive way":
  Shocked

The Herald Sun witnessed dozens of heavily armed riot and plain-clothed police in Taylors Hill and Caroline Springs, with locals told not to leave their houses.

Too afraid to go to a restaurant.
Someone should tell the Junkee website and GetUp!:


The people of Melbourne have hit back at home affairs [minister] Peter Dutton over his ludicrous comments about an imagined crime wave...

Never one to miss out on a race-based scare campaign, Dutton [said] “African gang violence” has made people in Melbourne “scared to go out to restaurants at night time ...”

In response, activist group GetUp! took to Twitter to suggest that anyone out for dinner in Melbourne take a photo of their meal to prove the minister wrong.

I wonder if the residents of Bronte Way in Taylors Hill will get a chance to get to their local restaurant and take a picture:

The resident said they called police about 7.20pm and were told officers had blocked the road near Taylors Hill Coles on Gourlay Rd.

“In one area there is a massive group the police said were Sudanese and near the park in Bronte Way

there was another really large group of Sudanese and they basically said they don’t have it under control but there is a strong police presence,” they said.

“They told me to stay inside, lock the doors and yeah, it’s scary, I’ve got a nine-year-old and an eleven-year-old and they’re scared.”
  Undecided

Taylors Hill resident Peter Lazaridis, who saw 30 youths of African appearance walking in the area, described the situation as “scary”.

Maybe chief Commissioner Graham Ashton should drive out to the residents of Taylor's Hill and tell them it's rubbish to be too scared to go outside:

Victoria's most senior police officer has rubbished suggestions of an "African gang crisis", even asking a reporter, "how long since you've been out for dinner?" in an, at times, extraordinary press conference...


"I've heard people say that Victoria is not a safe place to live," he said.

"That's complete and utter garbage. There are people who have been affected by crime, and that's always been the case, and that's the case in every city in Australia, and the same as every city in the world.

"Victoria is one of the safest places in the world to live ... and the sort of concept that somehow it's unsafe to go out for dinner ... how long since you've been out for dinner?"





What the O.P. fails to acknowledge is that the "news" article is from the pen of
serial racist - and Murdoch Press blogger, Andrew Bolt
- for Rupert's "jewel in the tabloid crown" -
The Sydney Daily Telegraph

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/big-african-riot-in-taylors-...

The ONLY people "afraid to go out at night" in Australia's food capital - are the ones who have never BEEN there

If they should ever visit Melbourne - I'd suggest they turn up to any of Melbourne's fine eateries, on a Saturday night - without a reservation

This "afraid to go out at night" smear on our state - is no more than a part of
the state and federal Liberal Party scare campaign
for the upcoming Victorian State Election





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Reply #39 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 5:35pm
 
Buzz, is this an acceptable new source for you?

A fight involving dozens of Sudanese-Australian youths from Melbourne's southern and northern suburbs that forced local residents to shelter indoors was caused by a dispute about "a couple of girlfriends", police have said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-09/police-car-damaged-rocks-thrown-by-youth-i...

And direct from the policehttps://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/news/taylors-hill-police-presence
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Unforgiven wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 11:27am:
There are two reasons Africans are in Australia.

1. Their countries are being bombed; and

2. Closet poms are not up to the job of keeping the population growing and superior gene injection is required.

Let us hope that African genes will overcome the closet pom failure to procreate enough to prevent population decline.

Bombed by who?

You do realise the situation in Sudan and those responsible right?
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Sudan is being bombed by its own Government....dunno whose planes and bombs they are using.

What would you do if your Home was being bombed by Turnbull?  Stay there, or get out of the joint?
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Reply #42 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 6:06pm
 
Grendel wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 5:36pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 11:27am:
There are two reasons Africans are in Australia.

1. Their countries are being bombed; and

2. Closet poms are not up to the job of keeping the population growing and superior gene injection is required.

Let us hope that African genes will overcome the closet pom failure to procreate enough to prevent population decline.

Bombed by who?

You do realise the situation in Sudan and those responsible right?


By whom.

And it doesn't matter.

If you were being bombed by the Turnbull Government, and kids and families all around you were being killed, you'd just stay put and say "It's okay, they're local bombs - no need to flee"?

Roll Eyes

This is the sort of thing you support, is it?

“Children are literally being blown to pieces by bombs and burned alive with their siblings,” said Daniel Bekele, Africa director at Human Rights Watch. “They are unable to get sufficient food, basic health care, or education, and the situation is only getting worse.”



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Reply #43 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 6:12pm
 
Actually the main catylist for the Sudanese civil war was the Muslim Govt trying to impose sharia law on the predominantly christian southern tribes.

Good old islam.

I'm OK with accepting south Sudanese reffos but we need to be WAY more selective and faster to deport the duds.
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Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 11:17am:
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:20am:
Melbourne riot.



https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/big-african-riot-in-taylors-hill-...


Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun
August 8, 2018 8:37pm



    The resident said they called police about 7.20pm and were told officers had blocked the road near Taylors Hill Coles on Gourlay Rd.

    “In one area there is a massive group the police said were Sudanese and near the park in Bronte Way

    there was another really large group of Sudanese and they basically said they don’t have it under control but there is a strong police presence,” they said.

    “They told me to stay inside, lock the doors and yeah, it’s scary, I’ve got a nine-year-old and an eleven-year-old and they’re scared.”

    Taylors Hill resident Peter Lazaridis, who saw 30 youths of African appearance walking in the area, described the situation as “scary”.


Same thing happening in Italy and other parts of Europe Sad





You're right Nail,
that's what we invited here - problems.
How will Daniel Andrews solve this problem before the election in November?
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Sudan is being bombed by its own Government....dunno whose planes and bombs they are using.

What would you do if your Home was being bombed by Turnbull?  Stay there, or get out of the joint?


Oh dear...  sigh, English not your first language eh Gunga.

Oh and to the Grammar Nazi...  WHO was totally correct this time... there are multiple choices and multiple bombers.
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red baron wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:50am:
Anyone else sick to bloody death of how authorities are specifically  avoiding calling the gangs on the street of Melbourne BLACK AFRICANS

Because that's what they are

Melbourne has a huge problem with the BLACK AFRICAN IMPORTS whose idea of sorting a problem is to go to the streets armed with machetes

It is time to get really tough. Identify them and deport them

Once a hard line is taken, they will get the  reality check they  so badly need

Last night in Melbourne citizens were told to stay inside whilst riot Police sorted it

Melbourne is now is in  a state of anarchy




It's time for martial law -
rioters should be shot on sight.
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The riots were really played down on SBS & ABC news.

They hardly showed any of the damage -
none of them showed the smashed up cop car.
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Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:24pm:
red baron wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:50am:
Anyone else sick to bloody death of how authorities are specifically  avoiding calling the gangs on the street of Melbourne BLACK AFRICANS

Because that's what they are

Melbourne has a huge problem with the BLACK AFRICAN IMPORTS whose idea of sorting a problem is to go to the streets armed with machetes

It is time to get really tough. Identify them and deport them

Once a hard line is taken, they will get the  reality check they  so badly need

Last night in Melbourne citizens were told to stay inside whilst riot Police sorted it

Melbourne is now is in  a state of anarchy




It's time for martial law -
rioters should be shot on sight.


Wouldn't that be a messy form of execution Bobby? I thought "BooM" headshot was far too messy. Perhaps you meant summarily hung from power poles.
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Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:46pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:24pm:
red baron wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:50am:
Anyone else sick to bloody death of how authorities are specifically  avoiding calling the gangs on the street of Melbourne BLACK AFRICANS

Because that's what they are

Melbourne has a huge problem with the BLACK AFRICAN IMPORTS whose idea of sorting a problem is to go to the streets armed with machetes

It is time to get really tough. Identify them and deport them

Once a hard line is taken, they will get the  reality check they  so badly need

Last night in Melbourne citizens were told to stay inside whilst riot Police sorted it

Melbourne is now is in  a state of anarchy




It's time for martial law -
rioters should be shot on sight.


Wouldn't that be a messy form of execution Bobby? I thought "BooM" headshot was far too messy. Perhaps you meant summarily hung from power poles.



I mean just like in France when they had the riots.
The cops turned up with semi automatic rifles -
fired a few shots & it all stopped -
the rioters ran away.
I don't think anyone was actually shot.
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Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:53pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:46pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:24pm:
red baron wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:50am:
Anyone else sick to bloody death of how authorities are specifically  avoiding calling the gangs on the street of Melbourne BLACK AFRICANS

Because that's what they are

Melbourne has a huge problem with the BLACK AFRICAN IMPORTS whose idea of sorting a problem is to go to the streets armed with machetes

It is time to get really tough. Identify them and deport them

Once a hard line is taken, they will get the  reality check they  so badly need

Last night in Melbourne citizens were told to stay inside whilst riot Police sorted it

Melbourne is now is in  a state of anarchy




It's time for martial law -
rioters should be shot on sight.


Wouldn't that be a messy form of execution Bobby? I thought "BooM" headshot was far too messy. Perhaps you meant summarily hung from power poles.



I mean just like in France when they had the riots.
The cops turned up with semi automatic rifles -
fired a few shots & it all stopped -
the rioters ran away.
I don't think anyone was actually shot.


Are you saying your "shot on sight" was a minor overreach in the artistic sense and what you really meant was they should install a few of these near the riots and give them a scare?

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Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
Are you saying your "shot on sight" was a minor overreach in the artistic sense and what you really meant was they should install a few of these near the riots and give them a scare?




Not quite -
just the fact that the rioters would know that
it's martial law so they could be shot would clear the streets.  Wink
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Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:14pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
Are you saying your "shot on sight" was a minor overreach in the artistic sense and what you really meant was they should install a few of these near the riots and give them a scare?




Not quite -
just the fact that the rioters would know that
it's martial law so they could be shot would clear the streets.  Wink


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Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:20pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:14pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
Are you saying your "shot on sight" was a minor overreach in the artistic sense and what you really meant was they should install a few of these near the riots and give them a scare?




Not quite -
just the fact that the rioters would know that
it's martial law so they could be shot would clear the streets.  Wink


Remember the backbone we were discussing? C'mon Bobby, tell us what you really mean and stick to it, defend it.



Set,
martial law means that you can be shot on sight.
Sometimes it's the only way to restore law and order.

OK - what would be your solution?

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Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:20pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:14pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
Are you saying your "shot on sight" was a minor overreach in the artistic sense and what you really meant was they should install a few of these near the riots and give them a scare?




Not quite -
just the fact that the rioters would know that
it's martial law so they could be shot would clear the streets.  Wink


Remember the backbone we were discussing? C'mon Bobby, tell us what you really mean and stick to it, defend it.



Set,
martial law means that you can be shot on sight.
Sometimes it's the only way to restore law and order.

OK - what would be your solution?



Bobby, you never mentioned martial law until I called you on they should all be shot on sight and advised that may be messy. You never said by who, just that they should be. I suggested that they may instead be summarily hung on power poles to save on that unsightly mess of other forms of execution.

There was no prevarication in what should be done in your statement before I replied.
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Calling these bastards 'African' is not half as offensive as what THEY ARE ACTUALLY DOING.


Never mind racism, what about the bloody mayhem they cause?? How frikken offensive is their conduct???



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Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:29pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:20pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:14pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
Are you saying your "shot on sight" was a minor overreach in the artistic sense and what you really meant was they should install a few of these near the riots and give them a scare?




Not quite -
just the fact that the rioters would know that
it's martial law so they could be shot would clear the streets.  Wink


Remember the backbone we were discussing? C'mon Bobby, tell us what you really mean and stick to it, defend it.



Set,
martial law means that you can be shot on sight.
Sometimes it's the only way to restore law and order.

OK - what would be your solution?



Bobby, you never mentioned martial law until I called you on they should all be shot on sight and advised that may be messy. You never said by who, just that they should be. I suggested that they may instead be summarily hung on power poles to save on that unsightly mess of other forms of execution.

There was no prevarication in what should be done in your statement before I replied.



Set,
you created a strawman argument.
How the hell can you hang 1000s of rioters from lamp posts?
The police should go there with guns & start shooting.
You have to be practical.

So - what is your idea?
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Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:36pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:29pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:20pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:14pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
Are you saying your "shot on sight" was a minor overreach in the artistic sense and what you really meant was they should install a few of these near the riots and give them a scare?




Not quite -
just the fact that the rioters would know that
it's martial law so they could be shot would clear the streets.  Wink


Remember the backbone we were discussing? C'mon Bobby, tell us what you really mean and stick to it, defend it.



Set,
martial law means that you can be shot on sight.
Sometimes it's the only way to restore law and order.

OK - what would be your solution?



Bobby, you never mentioned martial law until I called you on they should all be shot on sight and advised that may be messy. You never said by who, just that they should be. I suggested that they may instead be summarily hung on power poles to save on that unsightly mess of other forms of execution.

There was no prevarication in what should be done in your statement before I replied.



Set,
you created a strawman argument.
How the hell can you hang 1000s of rioters from lamp posts?
The police should go there with guns & start shooting.
You have to be practical.

So - what is your idea?


Good attempt at making it all my fault Bobby but I never said to shoot anyone. All I did was comment on your "shoot 'em all" theme and remember you didn't like shooting as it was too messy. I offered an alternative. You then tried to change what you meant for some spineless reason instead of sticking to your guns. I don't mind hearing your point of view, I want to hear it but when you are questioned on it your spine gets a little gelified. I want to hear your opinion, not your opinion filtered through a spine of cartilage.
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Re: BIG AFRICAN RIOT IN TAYLORS HILL
Reply #59 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:54pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:46pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:24pm:
red baron wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:50am:
Anyone else sick to bloody death of how authorities are specifically  avoiding calling the gangs on the street of Melbourne BLACK AFRICANS

Because that's what they are

Melbourne has a huge problem with the BLACK AFRICAN IMPORTS whose idea of sorting a problem is to go to the streets armed with machetes

It is time to get really tough. Identify them and deport them

Once a hard line is taken, they will get the  reality check they  so badly need

Last night in Melbourne citizens were told to stay inside whilst riot Police sorted it

Melbourne is now is in  a state of anarchy




It's time for martial law -
rioters should be shot on sight.


Wouldn't that be a messy form of execution Bobby? I thought "BooM" headshot was far too messy. Perhaps you meant summarily hung from power poles.



Yes - head shots are messy and the corpse kicks for 15-20 minutes..... fine if you're content to leave it at that, but for the cameras? .... heart shot is good - stops blood flow then head shot to be certain.

'double taps' to the head are for a 'closed shop' operation.... not a public one....

I'm halfway through the telling of a siege in London.... short story..... not 'that' siege....
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Reply #60 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:56pm
 
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:36pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:29pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:20pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:14pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
Are you saying your "shot on sight" was a minor overreach in the artistic sense and what you really meant was they should install a few of these near the riots and give them a scare?




Not quite -
just the fact that the rioters would know that
it's martial law so they could be shot would clear the streets.  Wink


Remember the backbone we were discussing? C'mon Bobby, tell us what you really mean and stick to it, defend it.



Set,
martial law means that you can be shot on sight.
Sometimes it's the only way to restore law and order.

OK - what would be your solution?



Bobby, you never mentioned martial law until I called you on they should all be shot on sight and advised that may be messy. You never said by who, just that they should be. I suggested that they may instead be summarily hung on power poles to save on that unsightly mess of other forms of execution.

There was no prevarication in what should be done in your statement before I replied.



Set,
you created a strawman argument.
How the hell can you hang 1000s of rioters from lamp posts?
The police should go there with guns & start shooting.
You have to be practical.

So - what is your idea?


Install more lamp posts?

What do you call a thousand African rioters hanging from lamp posts?

Not enough lamp posts.... get with it here....
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Reply #61 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:02pm
 
Grendel wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 5:41pm:
Sudan is being bombed by its own Government....dunno whose planes and bombs they are using.

What would you do if your Home was being bombed by Turnbull?  Stay there, or get out of the joint?


Oh dear...  sigh, English not your first language eh Gunga.

Oh and to the Grammar Nazi...  WHO was totally correct this time... there are multiple choices and multiple bombers.


That's a racist comment, Grendel. I thought you weren't racist??
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Reply #62 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:12pm
 
Auggie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:02pm:
Grendel wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 5:41pm:
Sudan is being bombed by its own Government....dunno whose planes and bombs they are using.

What would you do if your Home was being bombed by Turnbull?  Stay there, or get out of the joint?


Oh dear...  sigh, English not your first language eh Gunga.

Oh and to the Grammar Nazi...  WHO was totally correct this time... there are multiple choices and multiple bombers.


That's a racist comment, Grendel. I thought you weren't racist??


So you've given up on the constitutional and political reform you came here with to settle down here as just another SJW that wants to call names. Not saying One Arm is any better but in 12 months you have given away what you came with and turned into another sook.

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Reply #63 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:24pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:02pm:
Grendel wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 5:41pm:
Sudan is being bombed by its own Government....dunno whose planes and bombs they are using.

What would you do if your Home was being bombed by Turnbull?  Stay there, or get out of the joint?


Oh dear...  sigh, English not your first language eh Gunga.

Oh and to the Grammar Nazi...  WHO was totally correct this time... there are multiple choices and multiple bombers.


That's a racist comment, Grendel. I thought you weren't racist??


So you've given up on the constitutional and political reform you came here with to settle down here as just another SJW that wants to call names. Not saying One Arm is any better but in 12 months you have given away what you came with and turned into another sook.



I gave up on my constitutional and political reform because no one wants it. And frankly, there's no point in banging in my head against a wall. As I recall, you were quite silent on discussion about my reforms proposals.

Regarding the last part of your sentence and alluding to the comment that G made, I think it's important that I call him out on it. He often claims that he is not racist, yet makes racists comments about Aussie. You're welcome to call me an SJW for calling out someone who makes a racist comment about someone (let's be honest about his wife's ethnicity, which I considered out of bounds in an ethical sense); but I think I've shown common decency.

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Reply #64 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:43pm
 
Wow, Set. You weren't expecting that response from me, were you??
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Reply #65 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:48pm
 
Auggie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:24pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:02pm:
Grendel wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 5:41pm:
Sudan is being bombed by its own Government....dunno whose planes and bombs they are using.

What would you do if your Home was being bombed by Turnbull?  Stay there, or get out of the joint?


Oh dear...  sigh, English not your first language eh Gunga.

Oh and to the Grammar Nazi...  WHO was totally correct this time... there are multiple choices and multiple bombers.


That's a racist comment, Grendel. I thought you weren't racist??


So you've given up on the constitutional and political reform you came here with to settle down here as just another SJW that wants to call names. Not saying One Arm is any better but in 12 months you have given away what you came with and turned into another sook.



I gave up on my constitutional and political reform because no one wants it. And frankly, there's no point in banging in my head against a wall. As I recall, you were quite silent on discussion about my reforms proposals.

Regarding the last part of your sentence and alluding to the comment that G made, I think it's important that I call him out on it. He often claims that he is not racist, yet makes racists comments about Aussie. You're welcome to call me an SJW for calling out someone who makes a racist comment about someone (let's be honest about his wife's ethnicity, which I considered out of bounds in an ethical sense); but I think I've shown common decency.



I'm not sure I feel happy about your political transformation. I feel we have lost someone exploring politics and it's ramifications to the SJW caretaker of other's feelings.

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Reply #66 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:52pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:48pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:36pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:29pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:20pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:14pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
Are you saying your "shot on sight" was a minor overreach in the artistic sense and what you really meant was they should install a few of these near the riots and give them a scare?




Not quite -
just the fact that the rioters would know that
it's martial law so they could be shot would clear the streets.  Wink


Remember the backbone we were discussing? C'mon Bobby, tell us what you really mean and stick to it, defend it.



Set,
martial law means that you can be shot on sight.
Sometimes it's the only way to restore law and order.

OK - what would be your solution?



Bobby, you never mentioned martial law until I called you on they should all be shot on sight and advised that may be messy. You never said by who, just that they should be. I suggested that they may instead be summarily hung on power poles to save on that unsightly mess of other forms of execution.

There was no prevarication in what should be done in your statement before I replied.



Set,
you created a strawman argument.
How the hell can you hang 1000s of rioters from lamp posts?
The police should go there with guns & start shooting.
You have to be practical.

So - what is your idea?


Good attempt at making it all my fault Bobby but I never said to shoot anyone. All I did was comment on your "shoot 'em all" theme and remember you didn't like shooting as it was too messy. I offered an alternative. You then tried to change what you meant for some spineless reason instead of sticking to your guns. I don't mind hearing your point of view, I want to hear it but when you are questioned on it your spine gets a little gelified. I want to hear your opinion, not your opinion filtered through a spine of cartilage.




There are only 3 tough guys on Ozpolitic who would hang them for free:
me, Valkie & Hammer.

Therefore you can't accuse me of not having the stomach for a good christian hanging.
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Reply #67 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:58pm
 
Auggie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:43pm:
Wow, Set. You weren't expecting that response from me, were you??


Which part? Si'l vous plait.
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Reply #68 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:00pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:48pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:24pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:02pm:
Grendel wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 5:41pm:
Sudan is being bombed by its own Government....dunno whose planes and bombs they are using.

What would you do if your Home was being bombed by Turnbull?  Stay there, or get out of the joint?


Oh dear...  sigh, English not your first language eh Gunga.

Oh and to the Grammar Nazi...  WHO was totally correct this time... there are multiple choices and multiple bombers.


That's a racist comment, Grendel. I thought you weren't racist??


So you've given up on the constitutional and political reform you came here with to settle down here as just another SJW that wants to call names. Not saying One Arm is any better but in 12 months you have given away what you came with and turned into another sook.



I gave up on my constitutional and political reform because no one wants it. And frankly, there's no point in banging in my head against a wall. As I recall, you were quite silent on discussion about my reforms proposals.

Regarding the last part of your sentence and alluding to the comment that G made, I think it's important that I call him out on it. He often claims that he is not racist, yet makes racists comments about Aussie. You're welcome to call me an SJW for calling out someone who makes a racist comment about someone (let's be honest about his wife's ethnicity, which I considered out of bounds in an ethical sense); but I think I've shown common decency.



I'm not sure I feel happy about your political transformation. I feel we have lost someone exploring politics and it's ramifications to the SJW caretaker of other's feelings.



It is true that I have moved to the Left slightly, Set, I won't deny that. Let me tell you why. Initially I was a conservative and held conservative views. This was because I was taken in by the so-called Intellectual dark web types like Ben Shapiro, Milo Yiannopoulos, Jordan Peterson, etc. These, and others, and their right wing views are very appealing to people, particularly to young men. This is because they provide simple answers to complex problems, and create an attractive message for young men about why women 'don't like them'. It's very easy to be taken into.

BUT, and not to sound like I've invented the wheel here, but things are often more complicated, and are not black and white. Let me give you an example: FD a few months ago raised the point about the high levels of inbreeding among Arabs, and attributed this to their plight and poverty. Now, it may be true (and this is where I differ from Leftists who aren't willing to engage in this debate) that there is a higher proportion of inbreeding in the Arab world, and that 'facts don't care about my feelings'; but the issue is that by pointing out this fact and assertively promoting it, the speaker is in a sense attempting to dehumanize a group of people. Now, I would in no way equivocate this statement to genocide, but dehumanization is ONE STEP toward to the road to genocide.

This is why I don't buy the whole 'facts don't care about your feelings'. We should be able to have a civil discourse in society where we can state facts WHILST AT THE SAME TIME not dehumanize other people. The plight of the Arab people is a very complex thing, and simply using inbreeding as the major reason is just attempting to simplify a problem that is very complex.

The same goes for refugees and our offshore detention facilities. It's very easy to say "we must focus on sustainability and infrastructure needs" whilst we torture innocent people and deprive them of rights. I'm all for having a discussion of numbers; but I think it's more important to resolve the issues of inhumanity AND THEN discuss numbers, sustainability, etc.

The rule is simple = people before profits; people before politics; and people before numbers.
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Reply #69 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:00pm
 
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:52pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:48pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:36pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:29pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:20pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:14pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
Are you saying your "shot on sight" was a minor overreach in the artistic sense and what you really meant was they should install a few of these near the riots and give them a scare?




Not quite -
just the fact that the rioters would know that
it's martial law so they could be shot would clear the streets.  Wink


Remember the backbone we were discussing? C'mon Bobby, tell us what you really mean and stick to it, defend it.



Set,
martial law means that you can be shot on sight.
Sometimes it's the only way to restore law and order.

OK - what would be your solution?



Bobby, you never mentioned martial law until I called you on they should all be shot on sight and advised that may be messy. You never said by who, just that they should be. I suggested that they may instead be summarily hung on power poles to save on that unsightly mess of other forms of execution.

There was no prevarication in what should be done in your statement before I replied.



Set,
you created a strawman argument.
How the hell can you hang 1000s of rioters from lamp posts?
The police should go there with guns & start shooting.
You have to be practical.

So - what is your idea?


Good attempt at making it all my fault Bobby but I never said to shoot anyone. All I did was comment on your "shoot 'em all" theme and remember you didn't like shooting as it was too messy. I offered an alternative. You then tried to change what you meant for some spineless reason instead of sticking to your guns. I don't mind hearing your point of view, I want to hear it but when you are questioned on it your spine gets a little gelified. I want to hear your opinion, not your opinion filtered through a spine of cartilage.




There are only 3 tough guys on Ozpolitic who would hang them for free:
me, Valkie & Hammer.

Therefore you can't accuse me of not having the stomach for a good christian hanging.


Bobby, you would not do it.
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Reply #70 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:10pm
 
Auggie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:00pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:48pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:24pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:02pm:
Grendel wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 5:41pm:
Sudan is being bombed by its own Government....dunno whose planes and bombs they are using.

What would you do if your Home was being bombed by Turnbull?  Stay there, or get out of the joint?


Oh dear...  sigh, English not your first language eh Gunga.

Oh and to the Grammar Nazi...  WHO was totally correct this time... there are multiple choices and multiple bombers.


That's a racist comment, Grendel. I thought you weren't racist??


So you've given up on the constitutional and political reform you came here with to settle down here as just another SJW that wants to call names. Not saying One Arm is any better but in 12 months you have given away what you came with and turned into another sook.



I gave up on my constitutional and political reform because no one wants it. And frankly, there's no point in banging in my head against a wall. As I recall, you were quite silent on discussion about my reforms proposals.

Regarding the last part of your sentence and alluding to the comment that G made, I think it's important that I call him out on it. He often claims that he is not racist, yet makes racists comments about Aussie. You're welcome to call me an SJW for calling out someone who makes a racist comment about someone (let's be honest about his wife's ethnicity, which I considered out of bounds in an ethical sense); but I think I've shown common decency.



I'm not sure I feel happy about your political transformation. I feel we have lost someone exploring politics and it's ramifications to the SJW caretaker of other's feelings.



It is true that I have moved to the Left slightly, Set, I won't deny that. Let me tell you why. Initially I was a conservative and held conservative views. This was because I was taken in by the so-called Intellectual dark web types like Ben Shapiro, Milo Yiannopoulos, Jordan Peterson, etc. These, and others, and their right wing views are very appealing to people, particularly to young men. This is because they provide simple answers to complex problems, and create an attractive message for young men about why women 'don't like them'. It's very easy to be taken into.

BUT, and not to sound like I've invented the wheel here, but things are often more complicated, and are not black and white. Let me give you an example: FD a few months ago raised the point about the high levels of inbreeding among Arabs, and attributed this to their plight and poverty. Now, it may be true (and this is where I differ from Leftists who aren't willing to engage in this debate) that there is a higher proportion of inbreeding in the Arab world, and that 'facts don't care about my feelings'; but the issue is that by pointing out this fact and assertively promoting it, the speaker is in a sense attempting to dehumanize a group of people. Now, I would in no way equivocate this statement to genocide, but dehumanization is ONE STEP toward to the road to genocide.

This is why I don't buy the whole 'facts don't care about your feelings'. We should be able to have a civil discourse in society where we can state facts WHILST AT THE SAME TIME not dehumanize other people. The plight of the Arab people is a very complex thing, and simply using inbreeding as the major reason is just attempting to simplify a problem that is very complex.

The same goes for refugees and our offshore detention facilities. It's very easy to say "we must focus on sustainability and infrastructure needs" whilst we torture innocent people and deprive them of rights. I'm all for having a discussion of numbers; but I think it's more important to resolve the issues of inhumanity AND THEN discuss numbers, sustainability, etc.

The rule is simple = people before profits; people before politics; and people before numbers.


I actually applaud your political shift, there should be more, go forth and evangelise. I may even find ground with you.

Why bother arguing facts. If close relative marriage and breeding within a culture is a fact, if the consequences of that fact is as true as we know it is and the practice of it, to close the circle, is dominant in one culture... We know it's a bad way to breed people, no-one would complain if it was European royalty, would they?

Don't try and protect people feelings, they might change.

The brief explanation of your leftist economic view(I would like to hear your conversion story), yeah, I'm mostly with that.
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Reply #71 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:21pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:10pm:
Don't try and protect people feelings, they might change.


Sometimes the only way to get someone to the table is to protect their feelings. Most people, particularly on the Left won't engage with people who hold offensive views (I've experienced this personally). Offending people just makes people not want to engage with you, and then we're back to square one.

From a political standpoint, I won't vote for a candidate who offends me or those close to me. And I suspect that many people feel that way.
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Reply #72 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:26pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:10pm:
The brief explanation of your leftist economic view(I would like to hear your conversion story), yeah, I'm mostly with that.


My economic standpoint is what I call somewhat libertarian, but I like to think I'm a sensible libertarian. My main gripe with libertarians is that they are too ideological and will pursue libertarianism at all cost, which is disastrous. The coercive institutions of government are necessary to ensure a well-functioning society. Whether we like it or not, we need government intervention in the allocation of economic resources, otherwise power will become concentrated in the hands of unaccountable elites. Industrialization and the global economy has made economic rights a priority, and the government has a legitimate role in ensuring these rights. This is where the ideological libertarians fall down - they support full political rights, but not necessarily economic rights.
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Reply #73 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:29pm
 
Auggie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:21pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:10pm:
Don't try and protect people feelings, they might change.


Sometimes the only way to get someone to the table is to protect their feelings. Most people, particularly on the Left won't engage with people who hold offensive views (I've experienced this personally). Offending people just makes people not want to engage with you, and then we're back to square one.

From a political standpoint, I won't vote for a candidate who offends me or those close to me. And I suspect that many people feel that way.


One issue voter?
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Reply #74 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:35pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:29pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:21pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:10pm:
Don't try and protect people feelings, they might change.


Sometimes the only way to get someone to the table is to protect their feelings. Most people, particularly on the Left won't engage with people who hold offensive views (I've experienced this personally). Offending people just makes people not want to engage with you, and then we're back to square one.

From a political standpoint, I won't vote for a candidate who offends me or those close to me. And I suspect that many people feel that way.


One issue voter?


No, I wouldn't call myself that. I'm simply saying that if a politician believes that gays will go to hell, a comment made by Israel Falau and supported by Cory Bernadi, that I'm not going to support him because I believe his opinion to be extremely offensive.

I'm not sure how that makes me a one-issue voter?? Maybe I'm missing something?? Care to elaborate??
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Reply #75 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:38pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:48pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:24pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:02pm:
Grendel wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 5:41pm:
Sudan is being bombed by its own Government....dunno whose planes and bombs they are using.

What would you do if your Home was being bombed by Turnbull?  Stay there, or get out of the joint?


Oh dear...  sigh, English not your first language eh Gunga.

Oh and to the Grammar Nazi...  WHO was totally correct this time... there are multiple choices and multiple bombers.


That's a racist comment, Grendel. I thought you weren't racist??


So you've given up on the constitutional and political reform you came here with to settle down here as just another SJW that wants to call names. Not saying One Arm is any better but in 12 months you have given away what you came with and turned into another sook.



I gave up on my constitutional and political reform because no one wants it. And frankly, there's no point in banging in my head against a wall. As I recall, you were quite silent on discussion about my reforms proposals.

Regarding the last part of your sentence and alluding to the comment that G made, I think it's important that I call him out on it. He often claims that he is not racist, yet makes racists comments about Aussie. You're welcome to call me an SJW for calling out someone who makes a racist comment about someone (let's be honest about his wife's ethnicity, which I considered out of bounds in an ethical sense); but I think I've shown common decency.



I'm not sure I feel happy about your political transformation. I feel we have lost someone exploring politics and it's ramifications to the SJW caretaker of other's feelings.



No one has the right to not be offended, eh?

Cunning.
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Auggie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:35pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:29pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:21pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:10pm:
Don't try and protect people feelings, they might change.


Sometimes the only way to get someone to the table is to protect their feelings. Most people, particularly on the Left won't engage with people who hold offensive views (I've experienced this personally). Offending people just makes people not want to engage with you, and then we're back to square one.

From a political standpoint, I won't vote for a candidate who offends me or those close to me. And I suspect that many people feel that way.


One issue voter?


No, I wouldn't call myself that. I'm simply saying that if a politician believes that gays will go to hell, a comment made by Israel Falau and supported by Cory Bernadi, that I'm not going to support him because I believe his opinion to be extremely offensive.

I'm not sure how that makes me a one-issue voter?? Maybe I'm missing something?? Care to elaborate??


A politician would hold that view? Sounds like a religious nut. Hmm...
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Reply #77 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:44pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:43pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:35pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:29pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:21pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:10pm:
Don't try and protect people feelings, they might change.


Sometimes the only way to get someone to the table is to protect their feelings. Most people, particularly on the Left won't engage with people who hold offensive views (I've experienced this personally). Offending people just makes people not want to engage with you, and then we're back to square one.

From a political standpoint, I won't vote for a candidate who offends me or those close to me. And I suspect that many people feel that way.


One issue voter?


No, I wouldn't call myself that. I'm simply saying that if a politician believes that gays will go to hell, a comment made by Israel Falau and supported by Cory Bernadi, that I'm not going to support him because I believe his opinion to be extremely offensive.

I'm not sure how that makes me a one-issue voter?? Maybe I'm missing something?? Care to elaborate??


A politician would hold that view? Sounds like a religious nut. Hmm...


Cory Bernadi is a religious nut job.
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Auggie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:44pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:43pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:35pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:29pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:21pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:10pm:
Don't try and protect people feelings, they might change.


Sometimes the only way to get someone to the table is to protect their feelings. Most people, particularly on the Left won't engage with people who hold offensive views (I've experienced this personally). Offending people just makes people not want to engage with you, and then we're back to square one.

From a political standpoint, I won't vote for a candidate who offends me or those close to me. And I suspect that many people feel that way.


One issue voter?


No, I wouldn't call myself that. I'm simply saying that if a politician believes that gays will go to hell, a comment made by Israel Falau and supported by Cory Bernadi, that I'm not going to support him because I believe his opinion to be extremely offensive.

I'm not sure how that makes me a one-issue voter?? Maybe I'm missing something?? Care to elaborate??


A politician would hold that view? Sounds like a religious nut. Hmm...


Cory Bernadi is a religious nut job.


Agreed.


edit: See, closer already.
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Big African Riot sounds like a band.

What kind of music do they play?
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Big African Riot sounds like a band.

What kind of music do they play?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F09xFM0wmPI? Or is that white music?
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You can't say that, Setanta, you'll get banned by you-know-who.

Wacism, innit.
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You can't say that, Setanta, you'll get banned by you-know-who.

Wacism, innit.


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Dark Web.......?

I thought those people were right up front with their views....

Dig deeper, Grasshopper....
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Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 11:15pm:
Karnal wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 11:11pm:
You can't say that, Setanta, you'll get banned by you-know-who.

Wacism, innit.


Ya gotta admit the M60...


Derived from the MG-42, with a halved (or so) rate of fire, and with a flaw in the return piston that meant it broke without warning....  would still fire but it might blow up in your face....


No Malbun Kaffir ever raped an M-60.... or a Minimi....
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politicians would do well to go back and review some very interesting studies done in the USA in the 70's.

1000's of troubled inner city  youth with problematic criminal behaviours were mixed in with "good kids" and sent to summer camps.
the cohort was followed and the thought was that the good kids would influence the bad kids and the experience would result in less troubled behaviours when the kids returned to their inner city disadvantage.

but universally that did not happen.
not at all.
what happened was that the bad kids seeded criminal and delinquint behaviour into the good kids.
and the good kids went back and werent so good anymore.

its an interesting finding.

when you put people with troubling behaviour in a good society, the society doesnt turn them into model citizens, THEY infect the society and the thing spirals downwards.


this would seem to be playing out.


when you put criminals in a suburb, the whole suburb turns rotten.

when you put a few radicals in a mosque, the good muslims dont change them, they change the good muslims.

when you mix prison populations, the worst people arent socialised to be better, the reverse happens.

when you put a petty thief  in a workplace,   other people take up petty thievery.


when you put one fat person in a share house, the thin people put on weight.

its why its really important to have good boundaries, both personal, familial, at the village level and at the national level about who you do and do not let into your "ecosystem "
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Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:00pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:52pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:48pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:36pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:29pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:20pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:14pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
Are you saying your "shot on sight" was a minor overreach in the artistic sense and what you really meant was they should install a few of these near the riots and give them a scare?




Not quite -
just the fact that the rioters would know that
it's martial law so they could be shot would clear the streets.  Wink


Remember the backbone we were discussing? C'mon Bobby, tell us what you really mean and stick to it, defend it.



Set,
martial law means that you can be shot on sight.
Sometimes it's the only way to restore law and order.

OK - what would be your solution?



Bobby, you never mentioned martial law until I called you on they should all be shot on sight and advised that may be messy. You never said by who, just that they should be. I suggested that they may instead be summarily hung on power poles to save on that unsightly mess of other forms of execution.

There was no prevarication in what should be done in your statement before I replied.



Set,
you created a strawman argument.
How the hell can you hang 1000s of rioters from lamp posts?
The police should go there with guns & start shooting.
You have to be practical.

So - what is your idea?


Good attempt at making it all my fault Bobby but I never said to shoot anyone. All I did was comment on your "shoot 'em all" theme and remember you didn't like shooting as it was too messy. I offered an alternative. You then tried to change what you meant for some spineless reason instead of sticking to your guns. I don't mind hearing your point of view, I want to hear it but when you are questioned on it your spine gets a little gelified. I want to hear your opinion, not your opinion filtered through a spine of cartilage.




There are only 3 tough guys on Ozpolitic who would hang them for free:
me, Valkie & Hammer.

Therefore you can't accuse me of not having the stomach for a good christian hanging.


Bobby, you would not do it.



But you can't be sure of that.
What about Valkie & Hammer?
Are you calling them liars too?
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Reply #87 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 8:24am
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:22am:
politicians would do well to go back and review some very interesting studies done in the USA in the 70's.

1000's of troubled inner city  youth with problematic criminal behaviours were mixed in with "good kids" and sent to summer camps.
the cohort was followed and the thought was that the good kids would influence the bad kids and the experience would result in less troubled behaviours when the kids returned to their inner city disadvantage.

but universally that did not happen.
not at all.
what happened was that the bad kids seeded criminal and delinquint behaviour into the good kids.
and the good kids went back and werent so good anymore.

its an interesting finding.

when you put people with troubling behaviour in a good society, the society doesnt turn them into model citizens, THEY infect the society and the thing spirals downwards.


this would seem to be playing out.


when you put criminals in a suburb, the whole suburb turns rotten.

when you put a few radicals in a mosque, the good muslims dont change them, they change the good muslims.

when you mix prison populations, the worst people arent socialised to be better, the reverse happens.

when you put a petty thief  in a workplace,   other people take up petty thievery.


when you put one fat person in a share house, the thin people put on weight.

its why its really important to have good boundaries, both personal, familial, at the village level and at the national level about who you do and do not let into your "ecosystem "


So, horseboy, is your plan to implement eugenics on the population?
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Dark Web.......?

I thought those people were right up front with their views....

Dig deeper, Grasshopper....


It’s called the dark web because they’re locked out from mainstream media.
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Gunga? wacist? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Auggie wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 8:24am:
aquascoot wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:22am:
politicians would do well to go back and review some very interesting studies done in the USA in the 70's.

1000's of troubled inner city  youth with problematic criminal behaviours were mixed in with "good kids" and sent to summer camps.
the cohort was followed and the thought was that the good kids would influence the bad kids and the experience would result in less troubled behaviours when the kids returned to their inner city disadvantage.

but universally that did not happen.
not at all.
what happened was that the bad kids seeded criminal and delinquint behaviour into the good kids.
and the good kids went back and werent so good anymore.

its an interesting finding.

when you put people with troubling behaviour in a good society, the society doesnt turn them into model citizens, THEY infect the society and the thing spirals downwards.


this would seem to be playing out.


when you put criminals in a suburb, the whole suburb turns rotten.

when you put a few radicals in a mosque, the good muslims dont change them, they change the good muslims.

when you mix prison populations, the worst people arent socialised to be better, the reverse happens.

when you put a petty thief  in a workplace,   other people take up petty thievery.


when you put one fat person in a share house, the thin people put on weight.

its why its really important to have good boundaries, both personal, familial, at the village level and at the national level about who you do and do not let into your "ecosystem "


So, horseboy, is your plan to implement eugenics on the population?



not at all.

but you need people who are very grounded and full of masculine energy(calm and assetive) to train a feral horse. you wouldnt let a feral horse in a herd or they all become feral.


and you need people who are very grounded and full of masculine energy (calm assertive energy) to train feral youth.  Dan Andrews is "weak sauce". it wouldnt work.

think about the characteristics of a warrant officer at a marine training facility.
thats the sort of personality trait of a good trainer.
could you see Daniel Andrews or Adam Bandt working at a marine corp training facility in virginia , inspired young recruits to adopt a path of nobility  Wink
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It is true that I have moved to the Left slightly, Set, I won't deny that. Let me tell you why. Initially I was a conservative and held conservative views. This was because I was taken in by the so-called Intellectual dark web types like Ben Shapiro, Milo Yiannopoulos, Jordan Peterson, etc. These, and others, and their right wing views are very appealing to people, particularly to young men. This is because they provide simple answers to complex problems, and create an attractive message for young men about why women 'don't like them'. It's very easy to be taken into.


What a load of cods...  sorry cods...
Firstly you are clueless when it comes to what is and is not racist.  You are simply a LW name caller.

Second Left/Right and Prog/Conservative are 2 totally different political ideology axes.

As for the more radical so-called Conservatives you cite, let me tell you.... true Conservatives by there very nature are not radical.

As for your generalisations about "young men" puhlease you might as well join Scoot and refer to horses all the time.    people ain't horses.  Also there is a widely known quote.   perhaps not by you....

If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain


perhaps you should meditate on that for a while.

So back to school with you come back in 30 or so years when you may have actually learned something.
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Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 9:25am:
What a load of cods...  sorry cods...
Firstly you are clueless when it comes to what is and is not racist.  You are simply a LW name caller.


Second Left/Right and Prog/Conservative are 2 totally different political ideology axes.

As for the more radical so-called Conservatives you cite, let me tell you.... true Conservatives by there very nature are not radical.

As for your generalisations about "young men" puhlease you might as well join Scoot and refer to horses all the time.    people ain't horses.  Also there is a widely known quote.   perhaps not by you....

If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain


perhaps you should meditate on that for a while.

So back to school with you come back in 30 or so years when you may have actually learned something.


Excuse me?
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Ps...  what about all those young "Conservative" women

Peta Credlin, Ann Coulter, Lauren Southern, Georgina Downer, Janet Albrechtsen, Angela Shanahan, Pia Akerman, Jennifer Oriel.... the list goes on and on ....

hmmmm  maybe they are all young men in disguise eh? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 9:44am:
Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 9:25am:
What a load of cods...  sorry cods...
Firstly you are clueless when it comes to what is and is not racist.  You are simply a LW name caller.


Second Left/Right and Prog/Conservative are 2 totally different political ideology axes.

As for the more radical so-called Conservatives you cite, let me tell you.... true Conservatives by there very nature are not radical.

As for your generalisations about "young men" puhlease you might as well join Scoot and refer to horses all the time.    people ain't horses.  Also there is a widely known quote.   perhaps not by you....

If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain


perhaps you should meditate on that for a while.

So back to school with you come back in 30 or so years when you may have actually learned something.


Excuse me?

You are excused TROLL.
Why don't you go and procreate with yourself and stop wrecking sites like Ozpol. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 9:45am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 9:44am:
Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 9:25am:
What a load of cods...  sorry cods...
Firstly you are clueless when it comes to what is and is not racist.  You are simply a LW name caller.


Second Left/Right and Prog/Conservative are 2 totally different political ideology axes.

As for the more radical so-called Conservatives you cite, let me tell you.... true Conservatives by there very nature are not radical.

As for your generalisations about "young men" puhlease you might as well join Scoot and refer to horses all the time.    people ain't horses.  Also there is a widely known quote.   perhaps not by you....

If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain


perhaps you should meditate on that for a while.

So back to school with you come back in 30 or so years when you may have actually learned something.


Excuse me?

You are excused TROLL.
Why don't you go and procreate with yourself and stop wrecking sites like Ozpol. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Can you please explain what you mean by "Left/Right and Prog/Conservative are 2 totally different political ideology axes"?

Thanks.
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can't you?
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Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 9:51am:
can't you?
are you really that politically ignorant?


It was a polite request.

Can you explain it or not?


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greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 9:53am:
Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 9:51am:
can't you?
are you really that politically ignorant?


It was a polite request.

Can you explain it or not?




I'll take that as a 'no'.

For those who missed it:

"Left/Right and Prog/Conservative are 2 totally different political ideology axes".
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greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 9:53am:
Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 9:51am:
can't you?
are you really that politically ignorant?


It was a polite request.

Can you explain it or not?



Was it.
What's polite about all your TROLLING and crossing out peoples posts eh?
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greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 10:08am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 9:53am:
Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 9:51am:
can't you?
are you really that politically ignorant?


It was a polite request.

Can you explain it or not?




I'll take that as a 'no'.

For those who missed it:

"Left/Right and Prog/Conservative are 2 totally different political ideology axes".

TROLL...
Why do you think political spectrums have more than 1 axis?
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Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 10:42am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 9:53am:
Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 9:51am:
can't you?
are you really that politically ignorant?


It was a polite request.

Can you explain it or not?



Was it.
What's polite about all your TROLLING and crossing out peoples posts eh?


Yes, it was a very polite request.

Could you please expand on what you meant when you said "Left/Right and Prog/Conservative are 2 totally different political ideology axes"?

Can you explain the differences?

Thank you.
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You should have listened last time I did it.
tsk, tsk, tsk....
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You should have listened last time I did it.
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I missed it.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 10:52am:
Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 10:46am:
You should have listened last time I did it.
tsk, tsk, tsk....


I missed it.

Could you please explain it again?

Thank you.

Start a topic and stop ruining this one with off topic crap and I'll consider it. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #105 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 11:31am
 
Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 11:30am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 10:52am:
Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 10:46am:
You should have listened last time I did it.
tsk, tsk, tsk....


I missed it.

Could you please explain it again?

Thank you.

Start a topic and stop ruining this one with off topic crap and I'll consider it. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


The statement was posted by you, not me.

"Left/Right and Prog/Conservative are 2 totally different political ideology axes".

Can you explain the differences please?

Thank you.
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Reply #106 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:22pm
 
Greggy - stop your off topic nonsense.

Tell us how the Sudanese riots can be stopped forever.
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Reply #107 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:34pm
 
And still not one arrest...

How is this even possible????  Undecided

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The Mechanic wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:34pm:
And still not one arrest...

How is this even possible????  Undecided



How do you know there have been no arrests?

I'm curious.
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The Mechanic wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:34pm:
And still not one arrest...

How is this even possible????  Undecided




The captain of the ship is Daniel Andrews - blame him.
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Reply #110 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:50pm
 
Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:40pm:
The Mechanic wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:34pm:
And still not one arrest...

How is this even possible????  Undecided




The captain of the ship is Daniel Andrews - blame him.


Apologist.

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Reply #111 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:54pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:50pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:40pm:
The Mechanic wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:34pm:
And still not one arrest...

How is this even possible????  Undecided




The captain of the ship is Daniel Andrews - blame him.


Apologist.




Greggy - you're an apologist for just about everything:
African riots,
Muslims,
Hummer-sexuals


You want them all treated with kid gloves.
Grow a set would you.
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Reply #112 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:57pm
 
Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:54pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:50pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:40pm:
The Mechanic wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:34pm:
And still not one arrest...

How is this even possible????  Undecided




The captain of the ship is Daniel Andrews - blame him.


Apologist.




Greggy - you're an apologist for just about everything:
African riots,
Muslims,
Hummer-sexuals


You want them all treated with kid gloves.
Grow a set would you.



Apologist.

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Reply #113 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:58pm
 

Greggy is Ozpolitic's number 1 apologist.
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Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:58pm:
Greggy is Ozpolitic's number 1 apologist.


There's an African riot festering in Bobby's head.
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Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:58pm:
Greggy is Ozpolitic's number 1 apologist.


There's an African riot festering in Bobby's head.


Once Booby went black, he never came back.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 1:13pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 1:02pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:58pm:
Greggy is Ozpolitic's number 1 apologist.


There's an African riot festering in Bobby's head.


Once Booby went black, he never came back.



Mr. Light switched Bobby's lights off when he left Bobby's head.
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Reply #118 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 2:49pm
 
Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:22pm:
Greggy - stop your off topic nonsense.

Tell us how the Sudanese riots can be stopped forever.


Wink Wink Quite easy bobby send the BLEAK B******S TO THE   SUDAN  bye bye jungle bunnies   Wink
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Reply #119 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 4:28pm
 
Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:58pm:
Greggy is Ozpolitic's number 1 apologist.

No. 1 TROLL
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I haven't seen any confirmation of any arrests yet.

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Reply #121 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 4:30pm
 
Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 11:30am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 10:52am:
Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 10:46am:
You should have listened last time I did it.
tsk, tsk, tsk....




I missed it.

Could you please explain it again?

Thank you.

Start a topic and stop ruining this one with off topic crap and I'll consider it. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Oh dear has anyone seen that topic gweggy was supposed to start? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 4:30pm:
I haven't seen any confirmation of any arrests yet.

Anyone got a link or quote?


Grendel "thinks" that every single arrest made by police is reported on the news    Grin

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greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 11:31am:
Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 11:30am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 10:52am:
Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 10:46am:
You should have listened last time I did it.
tsk, tsk, tsk....


I missed it.

Could you please explain it again?

Thank you.

Start a topic and stop ruining this one with off topic crap and I'll consider it. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


The statement was posted by you, not me.

"Left/Right and Prog/Conservative are 2 totally different political ideology axes".

Can you explain the differences please?

Thank you.


It's your statement.

Now, can we have your explanation please?

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Reply #124 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 5:25pm
 
Grendel wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:27am:
THEY'RE JUST 2 GROUPS.
Just ask the Victorian police. Hell, they are not even gangs... phew...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




And it came to be - when the facts finally surfaced - it was a conflict between one guy (with a bunch of his mates) - and another guy (with bunch of HIS mates) - fighting over a GIRL !

This is "gang warfare" - in Australia, 2018 ?

I grew up in the era of Rockers, Mods and Sharps
THAT was "gang warfare"

Each had a local chapter in different Melbourne regions
THOSE were the days - when you thought twice about stepping out on a Saturday night  !

Groups of black kids are only "gangs" - because majority white Australia STILL feels intimidated by black skin on any young male

Were they two groups of white Anglo-Australians (fighting over some western suburbs 'slapper') - there wouldn't be the tabloid fodder




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Reply #125 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 5:34pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 1:02pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:58pm:
Greggy is Ozpolitic's number 1 apologist.


There's an African riot festering in Bobby's head.



… or it may be his
"inner gay"
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Reply #126 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 5:35pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 5:34pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 1:02pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:58pm:
Greggy is Ozpolitic's number 1 apologist.


There's an African riot festering in Bobby's head.



… or it may be his
"inner gay"
- fighting to get out






forgiven  - because you know I'm homophobic.
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Reply #127 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 5:54pm
 
Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 5:35pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 5:34pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 1:02pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:58pm:
Greggy is Ozpolitic's number 1 apologist.


There's an African riot festering in Bobby's head.



… or it may be his
"inner gay"
- fighting to get out






forgiven  - because you know I'm homophobic.




Are you more homophobic, xenophobic or Islamophobic
- and where does arachnophobia sit on your personal spectrum ?




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Reply #128 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:08pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 5:02pm:
Grendel wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 4:30pm:
I haven't seen any confirmation of any arrests yet.

Anyone got a link or quote?


Grendel "thinks" that every single arrest made by police is reported on the news    Grin

Too funny.




Trying to be a Medium too now eh TROLL.
Well you are a better TROLL.
I wrote no such thing.

You lied yet again...
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Reply #129 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:12pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 5:25pm:
Grendel wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:27am:
THEY'RE JUST 2 GROUPS.
Just ask the Victorian police. Hell, they are not even gangs... phew...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




And it came to be - when the facts finally surfaced - it was a conflict between one guy (with a bunch of his mates) - and another guy (with bunch of HIS mates) - fighting over a GIRL !

This is "gang warfare" - in Australia, 2018 ?

I grew up in the era of Rockers, Mods and Sharps
THAT was "gang warfare"

Each had a local chapter in different Melbourne regions
THOSE were the days - when you thought twice about stepping out on a Saturday night  !

Groups of black kids are only "gangs" - because majority white Australia STILL feels intimidated by black skin on any young male

Were they two groups of white Anglo-Australians (fighting over some western suburbs 'slapper') - there wouldn't be the tabloid fodder





Well that's funny because the ABC were reporting it was originally a fight between 4 girls.

But the crowds turned out to be 2 "warring" factions and people were told to stay indoors by police in riot gear who were attacked and had vehicles damaged by what?  4 girls?  1 boy? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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Bobby wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:43pm:




Who will pay for the damage to public property?


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Gangs of teens blamed for Melbourne rampage


POLICE say they know why two groups of Sudanese-Australian youths, totalling more than 50, gathered to fight in Melbourne’s northwest on Wednesday night.

Victorian Police Commissioner Graham Ashton says the teens who threw rocks at police and reportedly shouted “police can’t touch us” were planning to clash “over a couple of girlfriends or something like that”.

Mr Ashton told ABC Radio one group was from the northern suburbs and one was from the southern suburbs. The planned fight was stopped by police who received a tip-off and quickly arrived and dispersed those involved.

Commander Tim Hansen confirmed the fight was about “a girl” at a media conference at 1pm today.

“As we’re aware, police became aware of a planned fight,” he said. “Currently, it would appear the genesis of this fight or this agreement to come together from these two disparate groups was based on a teenage relationship issue over a girl.

“That quickly became the focus of social media attention and as a result of that two distinct groups of friends met up at this location and the situation escalated rather rapidly.”

Terrified residents of Taylors Hill were told to “stay inside and lock the doors” as police arrived.

Dozens of heavily armed riot and plain-clothed police blocked off main roads and diverted traffic in Taylors Hill and Caroline Springs.

Some of the teens were still wearing their school uniforms when the groups gathered at a basketball court about 5.30pm and began throwing rocks.

One rock smashed the rear windscreen of a police car.

Mr Hansen said two groups of young African males planned to meet at Taylors Hill following an escalation in “tensions”.

“Our intelligence at this stage is that there is a bit of tension between two groups of young males,” he told Sunrise.

“We are really trying to unpack that and understand that currently. We got some intelligence last night that these tensions were simmering away and likely to come to a head in the western suburbs, so we immediately activated one of our plans and pooled resources.”

Mr Hansen said the violence is “not widespread” and officers are “currently engaged with some of these persons that are operating in what you would call street gangs, I guess”.

Taxi drivers were warned on Wednesday night via their in-car message boards to avoid the area “due to a riot”.

“There were massive groups,” one horrified resident told the Herald Sun.


“They told me to stay inside, lock the doors and yeah, it’s scary,” another resident added.

One resident of Bronte Way told The Age that police were roaming the area and a helicopter was flying overhead when he came home.

“This has happened multiple times … but it hasn’t happened for a good four or five months,” he said.

“That’s the reason we have roller shutters now. I’m not opening the door. I was told by police to get inside before.”

Another neighbour said Wednesday night’s clash was the “worst yet”.

“We’ve been here nine years and this is the worst yet … You build a nice house in a nice area … you don’t want to start seeing things like that, where is it coming from?” he told The Age.

In relation to last night’s riot, a police spokeswoman said: “Police continued to patrol the area and monitor the situation as the youths dispersed and were moved on from the area a short time later.

“A number of specialist units were utilised including the Operations Response Unit and the Public Order Response Team to ensure public safety.”

There were no reports of major injuries. A spokeswoman for Victoria Police told news.com.au this morning that
no arrests have been made
and officers are still appealing for information.

Mr Hansen defended the fact that police had made no arrests after being pressed by 3AW breakfast host Ross Stevenson.

“People want to know how people can damage a police can in the presence of police, and no one gets arrested?” Stevenson asked him.

Mr Hanson said police had “short-term objectives” to keep residents safe.

“We were really successful at that. We launched an investigation overnight. I just want to reassure everyone we take a zero tolerance with this sort of behaviour.

“You’ll certainly see some movement in the investigation and arrest space in coming days.”

The dramatic scenes come after a crime spree in Taylors Hill in January when two teenagers were attacked and two homes were broken into during a four-hour rampage in Melbourne’s western suburbs.

In one incident, a 17-year-old was ambushed and hit with what appeared to be a baseball bat after refusing a demand for his belongings.

The terrified teenager was then dragged along the ground before the offenders fled in a car.
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'Police are running scared': Fury as it's revealed cops CHOSE not to arrest rampaging Sudanese youths who threatened to raid homes and abused locals as 'white trash' in terrifying riot through the streets of Melbourne

    The community terrorised by warring Sudanese gangs has reacted with fury
    About 100 youths gathered for an organised fight at Taylors Hill in Melbourne
    The riot squad broke up the rival groups, who abused locals as 'white trash'
    It's been revealed police 'tactically' chose not to arrest rampaging perpetrators
    Police said arrests were never the priority, even when officers pelted with rocks
    Victoria Police come under fire from locals and wider Melbourne community
    Some have suggested police 'run for the hills' when it comes to African gangs
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Grendel, you're making it sound as though the only crime that goes on in Melbourne is that perpetrated by African gangs.
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People want to know how people can damage a police can in the presence of police, and no one gets arrested?” Stevenson asked him.



Everyone would like to know the answer to that.
I bet if I smashed up a cop car I'd be in jail.
Are these Sudanese above the law?
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Everyone would like to know the answer to that.
I bet if I smashed up a cop car I'd be in jail.
Are these Sudanese above the law?


This is just all bullshit, Bobby, and you know it.
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Auggie wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:32pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:31pm:
Quote:
People want to know how people can damage a police can in the presence of police, and no one gets arrested?” Stevenson asked him.



Everyone would like to know the answer to that.
I bet if I smashed up a cop car I'd be in jail.
Are these Sudanese above the law?


This is just all bullshit, Bobby, and you know it.



What is bullshit?
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Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:32pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:31pm:
Quote:
People want to know how people can damage a police can in the presence of police, and no one gets arrested?” Stevenson asked him.



Everyone would like to know the answer to that.
I bet if I smashed up a cop car I'd be in jail.
Are these Sudanese above the law?


This is just all bullshit, Bobby, and you know it.



What is bullshit?


The fact that those Sudanese are above the law.
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People want to know how people can damage a police can in the presence of police, and no one gets arrested?” Stevenson asked him.



Everyone would like to know the answer to that.
I bet if I smashed up a cop car I'd be in jail.
Are these Sudanese above the law?


Answer the question, Booby: how do you know that nobody has been arrested?

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Auggie wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:35pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:32pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:31pm:
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People want to know how people can damage a police can in the presence of police, and no one gets arrested?” Stevenson asked him.



Everyone would like to know the answer to that.
I bet if I smashed up a cop car I'd be in jail.
Are these Sudanese above the law?


This is just all bullshit, Bobby, and you know it.



What is bullshit?


The fact that those Sudanese are above the law.



So if I put some nugget on my face then I can smash up cop cars without being arrested?



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greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:36pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:31pm:
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People want to know how people can damage a police can in the presence of police, and no one gets arrested?” Stevenson asked him.



Everyone would like to know the answer to that.
I bet if I smashed up a cop car I'd be in jail.
Are these Sudanese above the law?


Answer the question, Bobby: how do you know that nobody has been arrested?





Neil Mitchell on 3AW told me today.
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Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:44pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:36pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:31pm:
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People want to know how people can damage a police can in the presence of police, and no one gets arrested?” Stevenson asked him.



Everyone would like to know the answer to that.
I bet if I smashed up a cop car I'd be in jail.
Are these Sudanese above the law?


Answer the question, Bobby: how do you know that nobody has been arrested?





Neil Mitchell on 3AW told me today.


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'Police are running scared': Fury as it's revealed cops CHOSE not to arrest rampaging Sudanese youths who threatened to raid homes and abused locals as 'white trash' in terrifying riot through the streets of Melbourne

    The community terrorised by warring Sudanese gangs has reacted with fury
    About 100 youths gathered for an organised fight at Taylors Hill in Melbourne
    The riot squad broke up the rival groups, who abused locals as 'white trash'
    It's been revealed police 'tactically' chose not to arrest rampaging perpetrators
    Police said arrests were never the priority, even when officers pelted with rocks
    Victoria Police come under fire from locals and wider Melbourne community
    Some have suggested police 'run for the hills' when it comes to African gangs

   
From the British …

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6046259/Talyors-Hill-riot-Victoria-Polic...

As if we don't have enough of our OWN mind numbing tabloids - telling us how  to think




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There are two reasons Africans are in Australia.

1. Their countries are being bombed; and

2. Closet poms are not up to the job of keeping the population growing and superior gene injection is required.

Let us hope that African genes will overcome the closet pom failure to procreate enough to prevent population decline.



Bombed by whom?

The only reason Africans are breeding & surviving in such numbers is because the West has fed them(for at least 50 years) throughout the periods that would see drought & disease naturally cull large numbers.

Some of the countries are in perpetual drought.

So without western interference much of their so called superior gene pool would be dust.  Roll Eyes
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buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 5:21pm:
The Mechanic wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 6:37am:
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BIG AFRICAN RIOT IN TAYLORS HILL. RESIDENTS TOO SCARED TO GO OUT TO RESTAURANTS


Waleed Aly jokes on The Project: 

I am of African heritage. If there really are a bunch of African gangs, frankly I am offended to not have at least been joined to join one.


If he hurries, he can join one in Taylor's Hill:


A large group of out-of-control African youths have hurled 'a number' of rocks and damaged a police car during a rampage.

This must be the youth demographic that Reserve Bank governor Phillip Lowe was praising today:


The movement to Australia of large numbers of young people over the past decade has changed our demographic profile in a positive way.

A "positive way":
  Shocked

The Herald Sun witnessed dozens of heavily armed riot and plain-clothed police in Taylors Hill and Caroline Springs, with locals told not to leave their houses.

Too afraid to go to a restaurant.
Someone should tell the Junkee website and GetUp!:


The people of Melbourne have hit back at home affairs [minister] Peter Dutton over his ludicrous comments about an imagined crime wave...

Never one to miss out on a race-based scare campaign, Dutton [said] “African gang violence” has made people in Melbourne “scared to go out to restaurants at night time ...”

In response, activist group GetUp! took to Twitter to suggest that anyone out for dinner in Melbourne take a photo of their meal to prove the minister wrong.

I wonder if the residents of Bronte Way in Taylors Hill will get a chance to get to their local restaurant and take a picture:

The resident said they called police about 7.20pm and were told officers had blocked the road near Taylors Hill Coles on Gourlay Rd.

“In one area there is a massive group the police said were Sudanese and near the park in Bronte Way

there was another really large group of Sudanese and they basically said they don’t have it under control but there is a strong police presence,” they said.

“They told me to stay inside, lock the doors and yeah, it’s scary, I’ve got a nine-year-old and an eleven-year-old and they’re scared.”
  Undecided

Taylors Hill resident Peter Lazaridis, who saw 30 youths of African appearance walking in the area, described the situation as “scary”.

Maybe chief Commissioner Graham Ashton should drive out to the residents of Taylor's Hill and tell them it's rubbish to be too scared to go outside:

Victoria's most senior police officer has rubbished suggestions of an "African gang crisis", even asking a reporter, "how long since you've been out for dinner?" in an, at times, extraordinary press conference...


"I've heard people say that Victoria is not a safe place to live," he said.

"That's complete and utter garbage. There are people who have been affected by crime, and that's always been the case, and that's the case in every city in Australia, and the same as every city in the world.

"Victoria is one of the safest places in the world to live ... and the sort of concept that somehow it's unsafe to go out for dinner ... how long since you've been out for dinner?"





What the O.P. fails to acknowledge is that the "news" article is from the pen of
serial racist - and Murdoch Press blogger, Andrew Bolt
- for Rupert's "jewel in the tabloid crown" -
The Sydney Daily Telegraph

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/big-african-riot-in-taylors-...

The ONLY people "afraid to go out at night" in Australia's food capital - are the ones who have never BEEN there

If they should ever visit Melbourne - I'd suggest they turn up to any of Melbourne's fine eateries, on a Saturday night - without a reservation

This "afraid to go out at night" smear on our state - is no more than a part of
the state and federal Liberal Party scare campaign
for the upcoming Victorian State Election



Says Ozzie Ostrich Buzz ... head in the sand again. Roll Eyes
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Dark Web.......?

I thought those people were right up front with their views....

Dig deeper, Grasshopper....


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so-called Intellectual dark web types like Ben Shapiro, Milo Yiannopoulos, Jordan Peterson,


Yes Grap ... I would hardly call any of them "dark".

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Auggie wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 8:29am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:51am:
Dark Web.......?

I thought those people were right up front with their views....

Dig deeper, Grasshopper....


It’s called the dark web because they’re locked out from mainstream media.


The PC lefty mainstream media?
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FRED. wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 2:49pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 12:22pm:
Greggy - stop your off topic nonsense.

Tell us how the Sudanese riots can be stopped forever.


Wink Wink Quite easy bobby send the BLEAK B******S TO THE   SUDAN  bye bye jungle bunnies   Wink


Grin That's funny Fred ... I agree with the sentiment ... but there aint no jungles in the Sudan ..... they chopped em all down.. remember it used to be the Sahara Forest?  Grin Grin
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Grendel, you're making it sound as though the only crime that goes on in Melbourne is that perpetrated by African gangs.

No I'm not.
That is an absurd statement.
I'm commenting on topic doofus.
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What's the chances of another African riot in OZ, better than even I suspect.
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It's hard for these monkeys to fit into civilized society.

They have no inkling as to what civilization is.

Send them back to monkeyland, if you can't find the actual perpetrators, send them all back.

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These Africans have a chip on their shoulder, they seem to resent those who save them.
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What's the chances of another African riot in OZ, better than even I suspect.


Hard to say, Matty. Do you want to ask Matty?
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It's hard for these monkeys to fit into civilized society.

They have no inkling as to what civilization is.

Send them back to monkeyland, if you can't find the actual perpetrators, send them all back.

It would be so much better for Australia.


That explains it, Matty. If they come here, we need to keep them in zoos.
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Its ok, the Africans have gone back to their homes now. Provided for.
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Teen rampage was just ‘kids being stupid’

By Tessa Akerman,
August 11, 2018

The group of up to 100 Sudanese youths who damaged property and threw rocks at police cars in Melbourne’s northwest this week were acting like other Australian kids, a community leader says.

Police were forced to call the riot squad and the air wing to a park in Taylors Hill as a planned fight over a failed relationship ­escalated into violence on Wednesday evening.

Residents say they were called “white trash” and threatened, and that police told them to “stay inside and lock the doors”.

Federation of South Sudanese Associations chairman Kenyatta Dei Wal said the youths’ behaviour was “the kind of thing that most young people do”.

“(It was) young people who are just behaving as young people and making stupid choices,” he said. “There’s nothing significant about it.”

Mr Wal said the role of police was to ensure everyone’s safety and he praised their handling of the situation. “They responded on time and managed to disperse (the youths),” he said.

The rocks thrown might not have been intended for the police and it was important to wait for the results of the police investigation. “I don’t think there was intent to damage police cars, but let’s wait for the investigation,” he said.

However, Victoria Police has been criticised for not making any arrests on the night. It said investigators were pursuing some suspects.

Former Victoria Police inspector John Thexton said recent crimes and incidents involving Sudanese youths echoed earlier concern about Maori and Pacific Islander youths. “Some people will tell you they’re different kids … but I reckon that’s a load of bloody bullshit,” he said.

He said police on the ground had engaged with youths across a range of different initiatives but were not being supported by police command.

“It’s how you tackle these things and it’s all about building respect and building the self-­esteem of these young people by showing them they can achieve,” he said.

Victoria Police said youths from opposite sides of Melbourne had met on Wednesday afternoon at a Taylors Lakes shopping centre to fight about tensions over a relationship.

Police moved them on and tracked them as they made their way to Lonzo Park in Taylors Hill.

The youths taunted police, yelling, “the police can’t touch us, they can’t do anything”.

Police cited the youth crime strategy that gives priority to moving the crowd on over making arrests at the scene.

Mr Thexton is a member of the Community Advocacy Alliance chaired by former Victoria Police chief commissioner Kel Glare.

Mr Glare said police should have made arrests on the night. “If you go after them on the spot, you know who the offenders are and that’s when you can take proper ­action,” he said on Thursday.

Mr Thexton said he agreed with his former colleague’s comments. “If a crime is committed, then you need to prosecute the people involved,” he said.

Victorian Multicultural Commission chair Helen Kapalos said it was important to address the causes of youth crime.

“African Australians are Australians. Full stop,” she said. “Addressing causal factors is a lot more productive to achieving social ­cohesion than racialising crime.”

● An AK-47 assault rifle and a batch of imitation firearms were seized during the arrest of a gang of teens in Melbourne’s southeastern suburbs after a slew of ­violent carjackings and attempted robberies across the city.

Fourteen suspects have been arrested, some as young as 14. The AK-47 was found in a bedroom during a raid on a family home.

Police told the Herald Sun the group, almost all from ­migrant families of Asian, Middle Eastern and African backgrounds, met through school and sports groups.
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What the hell are they doing with that?
Where did they get it from?

These are really bad criminals.
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What the hell are they doing with that?
Where did they get it from?

These are really bad criminals.


they are taught how to use that when they are young. What on earth are we bringing here ?
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Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 10:10am:
Bobby wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 10:06am:
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An AK-47 assault rifle


What the hell are they doing with that?
Where did they get it from?

These are really bad criminals.


they are taught how to use that when they are young. What on earth are we bringing here ?



Hi Nail,
it sounds like Muslim terrorists.
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Teen rampage was just ‘kids being stupid’

By Tessa Akerman,
August 11, 2018

The group of up to 100 Sudanese youths who damaged property and threw rocks at police cars in Melbourne’s northwest this week were acting like other Australian kids, a community leader says.

Police were forced to call the riot squad and the air wing to a park in Taylors Hill as a planned fight over a failed relationship ­escalated into violence on Wednesday evening.

Residents say they were called “white trash” and threatened, and that police told them to “stay inside and lock the doors”.

Federation of South Sudanese Associations chairman Kenyatta Dei Wal said the youths’ behaviour was “the kind of thing that most young people do”.

“(It was) young people who are just behaving as young people and making stupid choices,” he said. “There’s nothing significant about it.”

Mr Wal said the role of police was to ensure everyone’s safety and he praised their handling of the situation. “They responded on time and managed to disperse (the youths),” he said.

The rocks thrown might not have been intended for the police and it was important to wait for the results of the police investigation. “I don’t think there was intent to damage police cars, but let’s wait for the investigation,” he said.

However, Victoria Police has been criticised for not making any arrests on the night. It said investigators were pursuing some suspects.

Former Victoria Police inspector John Thexton said recent crimes and incidents involving Sudanese youths echoed earlier concern about Maori and Pacific Islander youths. “Some people will tell you they’re different kids … but I reckon that’s a load of bloody bullshit,” he said.

He said police on the ground had engaged with youths across a range of different initiatives but were not being supported by police command.

“It’s how you tackle these things and it’s all about building respect and building the self-­esteem of these young people by showing them they can achieve,” he said.

Victoria Police said youths from opposite sides of Melbourne had met on Wednesday afternoon at a Taylors Lakes shopping centre to fight about tensions over a relationship.

Police moved them on and tracked them as they made their way to Lonzo Park in Taylors Hill.

The youths taunted police, yelling, “the police can’t touch us, they can’t do anything”.

Police cited the youth crime strategy that gives priority to moving the crowd on over making arrests at the scene.

Mr Thexton is a member of the Community Advocacy Alliance chaired by former Victoria Police chief commissioner Kel Glare.

Mr Glare said police should have made arrests on the night. “If you go after them on the spot, you know who the offenders are and that’s when you can take proper ­action,” he said on Thursday.

Mr Thexton said he agreed with his former colleague’s comments. “If a crime is committed, then you need to prosecute the people involved,” he said.

Victorian Multicultural Commission chair Helen Kapalos said it was important to address the causes of youth crime.

“African Australians are Australians. Full stop,” she said. “Addressing causal factors is a lot more productive to achieving social ­cohesion than racialising crime.”

● An AK-47 assault rifle and a batch of imitation firearms were seized during the arrest of a gang of teens in Melbourne’s southeastern suburbs after a slew of ­violent carjackings and attempted robberies across the city.

Fourteen suspects have been arrested, some as young as 14. The AK-47 was found in a bedroom during a raid on a family home.

Police told the Herald Sun the group, almost all from ­migrant families of Asian, Middle Eastern and African backgrounds, met through school and sports groups.


Yeh I know. Give them a football to play with and that will solve the problem Cheesy LOL
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I loved this quote...

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Federation of South Sudanese Associations chairman Kenyatta Dei Wal said the youths’ behaviour was “the kind of thing that most young people do”.


Maybe in South Sudan they do...  but they are in Australia now...

Multiculti has much to answer for. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Auggie wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:35pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:32pm:
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People want to know how people can damage a police can in the presence of police, and no one gets arrested?” Stevenson asked him.



Everyone would like to know the answer to that.
I bet if I smashed up a cop car I'd be in jail.
Are these Sudanese above the law?


This is just all bullshit, Bobby, and you know it.



What is bullshit?


The fact that those Sudanese are above the law.


They are above Daniel Andrews law Cheesy LOL
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By Tessa Akerman,
August 11, 2018

The group of up to 100 Sudanese youths who damaged property and threw rocks at police cars in Melbourne’s northwest this week were acting like other Australian kids, a community leader says.

Police were forced to call the riot squad and the air wing to a park in Taylors Hill as a planned fight over a failed relationship ­escalated into violence on Wednesday evening.

Residents say they were called “white trash” and threatened, and that police told them to “stay inside and lock the doors”.

Federation of South Sudanese Associations chairman Kenyatta Dei Wal said the youths’ behaviour was “the kind of thing that most young people do”.

“(It was) young people who are just behaving as young people and making stupid choices,” he said. “There’s nothing significant about it.”

Mr Wal said the role of police was to ensure everyone’s safety and he praised their handling of the situation. “They responded on time and managed to disperse (the youths),” he said.

The rocks thrown might not have been intended for the police and it was important to wait for the results of the police investigation. “I don’t think there was intent to damage police cars, but let’s wait for the investigation,” he said.

However, Victoria Police has been criticised for not making any arrests on the night. It said investigators were pursuing some suspects.

Former Victoria Police inspector John Thexton said recent crimes and incidents involving Sudanese youths echoed earlier concern about Maori and Pacific Islander youths. “Some people will tell you they’re different kids … but I reckon that’s a load of bloody bullshit,” he said.

He said police on the ground had engaged with youths across a range of different initiatives but were not being supported by police command.

“It’s how you tackle these things and it’s all about building respect and building the self-­esteem of these young people by showing them they can achieve,” he said.

Victoria Police said youths from opposite sides of Melbourne had met on Wednesday afternoon at a Taylors Lakes shopping centre to fight about tensions over a relationship.

Police moved them on and tracked them as they made their way to Lonzo Park in Taylors Hill.

The youths taunted police, yelling, “the police can’t touch us, they can’t do anything”.

Police cited the youth crime strategy that gives priority to moving the crowd on over making arrests at the scene.

Mr Thexton is a member of the Community Advocacy Alliance chaired by former Victoria Police chief commissioner Kel Glare.

Mr Glare said police should have made arrests on the night. “If you go after them on the spot, you know who the offenders are and that’s when you can take proper ­action,” he said on Thursday.

Mr Thexton said he agreed with his former colleague’s comments. “If a crime is committed, then you need to prosecute the people involved,” he said.

Victorian Multicultural Commission chair Helen Kapalos said it was important to address the causes of youth crime.

“African Australians are Australians. Full stop,” she said. “Addressing causal factors is a lot more productive to achieving social ­cohesion than racialising crime.”

● An AK-47 assault rifle and a batch of imitation firearms were seized during the arrest of a gang of teens in Melbourne’s southeastern suburbs after a slew of ­violent carjackings and attempted robberies across the city.

Fourteen suspects have been arrested, some as young as 14. The AK-47 was found in a bedroom during a raid on a family home.

Police told the Herald Sun the group, almost all from ­migrant families of Asian, Middle Eastern and African backgrounds, met through school and sports groups.


Yeah - I remember when we were kids we'd get out and smash a few copper's cars and break a few windows and such.... right little bastards we were, but nobody really minded....
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Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 10:34am:
Auggie wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:35pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:32pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:31pm:
Quote:
People want to know how people can damage a police can in the presence of police, and no one gets arrested?” Stevenson asked him.



Everyone would like to know the answer to that.
I bet if I smashed up a cop car I'd be in jail.
Are these Sudanese above the law?


This is just all bullshit, Bobby, and you know it.



What is bullshit?


The fact that those Sudanese are above the law.


They are above Daniel Andrews law Cheesy LOL


I bet even if I put nugget on my face the cops would arrest me.
Why do they discriminate against white people?

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Causal factor for sallow youth crime - they're sallow youth criminals working on their apprenticeship.... just good citizens studying hard in their chosen profession....

This Kapolos person - she's not one of them Labor sheilas is she?  Just another PC idiot?
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If they cant live and abide by the laws of this land then they should be sent back to the laws of the jungle.
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If you were a white person you'd be arrested for doing this -


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It's reverse racism.
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xeej wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 6:57pm:
These Africans have a chip on their shoulder, they seem to resent those who save them.


They are belligerent and won't be told either. A sign of lack of education or low IQ Sad
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still not one person arrested...  Angry

The Italians would know what to do..

Antifa getting their asses handed to them by the cops in italy

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still not one person arrested...  Angry

The Italians would know what to do..

Antifa getting their asses handed to them by the cops in italy




The Italians know how to handle rioters.
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Was there someone in this thread saying that racial ethnicity isn't recorded in Victorian Crime statistics?

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It isnt. You have published country of birth stats.
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Moreover, nobody in this thread said that racial ethnicity isn't recorded in Victorian Crime statistics (as far as I can see).

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Moreover, nobody in this thread said that racial ethnicity isn't recorded in Victorian Crime statistics (as far as I can see).



A simple oversight easily rectified....
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It isnt. You have published country of birth stats.


Incorrect ... read the bottom of the page.

Oh & note that above each section ... it designates the various criminal acts that have been committed by  listed ethnicity.
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They are countries, not ethnicities.
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Gnads wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 1:57pm:
Rhino wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 11:27am:
It isnt. You have published country of birth stats.


Incorrect ... read the bottom of the page.

Oh & note that above each section ... it designates the various criminal acts that have been committed by  listed ethnicity.


The bottom of the page says absolutely nothing about ethnicity.

The top of the page says "... offenders by place of birth".

The word "ethnicity" does not appear anywhere in the picture you posted.
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Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 8:55pm:
The Libs and Labs are well past their use-by date. Their psyches have turned the crap



its up to US to demand they get back to their primaries....some are driven by POLLS   for gods sakes....say one thing and mean another....

they have very few principles thses days...

I for one am sick of it...

we do only need two parties in this country 

fragmented doesnt mean better....

but we should demand better from both sides...
they have both lost their way...and why should anyone b elieve them anymore????????
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Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 8:55pm:
The Libs and Labs are well past their use-by date. Their psyches have turned the crap



its up to US to demand they get back to their primaries....some are driven by POLLS   for gods sakes....say one thing and mean another....

they have very few principles thses days...

I for one am sick of it...

we do only need two parties in this country 

fragmented doesnt mean better....

but we should demand better from both sides...
they have both lost their way...and why should anyone b elieve them anymore????????




"Their psyches have turned the to crap"

I made grammatical correction to this to put it right, my blue


Cods, it goes much deeper than just needing two parties only

Universally, the human mind changes over centuries, once upon a time the Earth was flat, now it's round

The Sun revolved around the Earth, now it doesn't

Kings were needed, now they're not

Now we come to the Libs and Labs. Their bipartisan policies where no correspondence will be entered into, are things of the past. Those dictatorial policies represent the true psyche of both parties, and the longer they hang on to them, the worse conditions will become in OZ. Things are already bad so a change of mind won't hurt, but they simply refuse to modify their psyches. Like the King who overtaxed Americans, like the Bishops who exiled Galileo, the pigheaded Libs and Labs will fall
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Gnads wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 10:10am:
Was there someone in this thread saying that racial ethnicity isn't recorded in Victorian Crime statistics?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Victorian_Crime_Stats_by_ethnicity.jpg




Wow - and it doesn't even show Sudanese ethnicity but born in Australia.


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Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:11pm:
Gnads wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 10:10am:
Was there someone in this thread saying that racial ethnicity isn't recorded in Victorian Crime statistics?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Victorian_Crime_Stats_by_ethnicity.jpg




Wow - and it doesn't even show Sudanese ethnicity but born in Australia.


http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Victorian_Crime_Stats_by_ethnic...


It shows that people born in Australia are responsible for the vast majority of crime in Victoria.

Told you so.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:18pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:11pm:
Gnads wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 10:10am:
Was there someone in this thread saying that racial ethnicity isn't recorded in Victorian Crime statistics?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Victorian_Crime_Stats_by_ethnicity.jpg




Wow - and it doesn't even show Sudanese ethnicity but born in Australia.


http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Victorian_Crime_Stats_by_ethnic...


It shows that people born in Australia are responsible for the vast majority of crime in Victoria.

Told you so.




Apologist for Sudanese crime.
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Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:18pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:11pm:
Gnads wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 10:10am:
Was there someone in this thread saying that racial ethnicity isn't recorded in Victorian Crime statistics?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Victorian_Crime_Stats_by_ethnicity.jpg




Wow - and it doesn't even show Sudanese ethnicity but born in Australia.


http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Victorian_Crime_Stats_by_ethnic...


It shows that people born in Australia are responsible for the vast majority of crime in Victoria.

Told you so.




Apologist for Sudanese crime.


Why are you happy with all these Australians committing crime?

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greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:27pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:18pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:11pm:
Gnads wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 10:10am:
Was there someone in this thread saying that racial ethnicity isn't recorded in Victorian Crime statistics?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Victorian_Crime_Stats_by_ethnicity.jpg




Wow - and it doesn't even show Sudanese ethnicity but born in Australia.


http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Victorian_Crime_Stats_by_ethnic...


It shows that people born in Australia are responsible for the vast majority of crime in Victoria.

Told you so.




Apologist for Sudanese crime.


Why are you happy with all these Australians committing crime?




I'm not happy about any crime.
Sudanese are over represented in crime numbers.

Also
If you were a white person you'd be arrested for doing this -



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why do Sudanese have a special license to commit crimes?
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Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:35pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:27pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:18pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:11pm:
Gnads wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 10:10am:
Was there someone in this thread saying that racial ethnicity isn't recorded in Victorian Crime statistics?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Victorian_Crime_Stats_by_ethnicity.jpg




Wow - and it doesn't even show Sudanese ethnicity but born in Australia.


http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Victorian_Crime_Stats_by_ethnic...


It shows that people born in Australia are responsible for the vast majority of crime in Victoria.

Told you so.




Apologist for Sudanese crime.


Why are you happy with all these Australians committing crime?




I'm not happy about any crime.
Sudanese are over represented in crime numbers.

Also
If you were a white person you'd be arrested for doing this -



http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Police_car_smashed_in_riot.jpg


why do Sudanese have a special license to commit crimes?


Over representation is irrelevant.

It's the total number of crimes committed that's important.

And, the vast majority of crime in this country is committed by Australians.

Why do you defend these people?

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Why do Sudanese have a special license to commit crimes?

The cops were right there in that car.
Why weren't the culprits arrested?
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greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:37pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:35pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:27pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:18pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:11pm:
Gnads wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 10:10am:
Was there someone in this thread saying that racial ethnicity isn't recorded in Victorian Crime statistics?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Victorian_Crime_Stats_by_ethnicity.jpg




Wow - and it doesn't even show Sudanese ethnicity but born in Australia.


http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Victorian_Crime_Stats_by_ethnic...


It shows that people born in Australia are responsible for the vast majority of crime in Victoria.

Told you so.




Apologist for Sudanese crime.


Why are you happy with all these Australians committing crime?




I'm not happy about any crime.
Sudanese are over represented in crime numbers.

Also
If you were a white person you'd be arrested for doing this -



http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Police_car_smashed_in_riot.jpg


why do Sudanese have a special license to commit crimes?


Over representation is irrelevant.

It's the total number of crimes committed that's important.

And, the vast majority of crime in this country is committed by Australians.

Why do you defend these people?



I'm not with you on this, Greg. Proportionality is important. Second, we can't do anything about Australian citizens, but we can't prevent more crime from coming in by restricting immigration of non-citizens.
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Auggie wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:14pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:37pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:35pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:27pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:18pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:11pm:
Gnads wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 10:10am:
Was there someone in this thread saying that racial ethnicity isn't recorded in Victorian Crime statistics?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Victorian_Crime_Stats_by_ethnicity.jpg




Wow - and it doesn't even show Sudanese ethnicity but born in Australia.


http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Victorian_Crime_Stats_by_ethnic...


It shows that people born in Australia are responsible for the vast majority of crime in Victoria.

Told you so.




Apologist for Sudanese crime.


Why are you happy with all these Australians committing crime?




I'm not happy about any crime.
Sudanese are over represented in crime numbers.

Also
If you were a white person you'd be arrested for doing this -



http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Police_car_smashed_in_riot.jpg


why do Sudanese have a special license to commit crimes?


Over representation is irrelevant.

It's the total number of crimes committed that's important.

And, the vast majority of crime in this country is committed by Australians.

Why do you defend these people?



I'm not with you on this, Greg. Proportionality is important. Second, we can't do anything about Australian citizens, but we can't prevent more crime from coming in by restricting immigration of non-citizens.


I strongly disagree.

Hypothetical numbers:

- 1,000 Australians

- 10 Immigrants

If 100% of the immigrants are committing crimes, that's 10 criminals.

If only 5% of the Australians commit crimes, that's 50 criminals.

100% of a very small number, is still a very small number.

The problem with the over representation argument is that people only look at the percentage of one particular group, rather than the total number of crimes/criminals.

And, everyone would agree that it's the total number of crimes/criminals that's important. i.e. that's what we want reduced.
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Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:49pm:
Why do Sudanese have a special license to commit crimes?

The cops were right there in that car.
Why weren't the culprits arrested?


How do you know they haven't been arrested?

And don't mention some bigoted talk-back radio host.

Do the police release the details of every single arrest they make, every day of the year, on the Channel 7 "News" Booby?

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greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:28pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:14pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:37pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:35pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:27pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:18pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:11pm:
Gnads wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 10:10am:
Was there someone in this thread saying that racial ethnicity isn't recorded in Victorian Crime statistics?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Victorian_Crime_Stats_by_ethnicity.jpg




Wow - and it doesn't even show Sudanese ethnicity but born in Australia.


http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Victorian_Crime_Stats_by_ethnic...


It shows that people born in Australia are responsible for the vast majority of crime in Victoria.

Told you so.




Apologist for Sudanese crime.


Why are you happy with all these Australians committing crime?




I'm not happy about any crime.
Sudanese are over represented in crime numbers.

Also
If you were a white person you'd be arrested for doing this -



http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Police_car_smashed_in_riot.jpg


why do Sudanese have a special license to commit crimes?


Over representation is irrelevant.

It's the total number of crimes committed that's important.

And, the vast majority of crime in this country is committed by Australians.

Why do you defend these people?



I'm not with you on this, Greg. Proportionality is important. Second, we can't do anything about Australian citizens, but we can't prevent more crime from coming in by restricting immigration of non-citizens.


I strongly disagree.

Hypothetical numbers:

- 1,000 Australians

- 10 Immigrants

If 100% of the immigrants are committing crimes, that's 10 criminals.

If only 5% of the Australians commit crimes, that's 50 criminals.

100% of a very small number, is still a very small number.

The problem with the over representation argument is that people only look at the percentage of one particular group, rather than the total number of crimes/criminals.

And, everyone would agree that it's the total number of crimes/criminals that's important. i.e. that's what we want reduced.


Sure, but the opposite argument could be made - disregarding proportionality only seeks to perpetuate any problems that may exist within that community.

If a certain group of people are disproportionately more likely to commit crimes, should we continue their import into this country?
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greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:30pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:49pm:
Why do Sudanese have a special license to commit crimes?

The cops were right there in that car.
Why weren't the culprits arrested?


How do you know they haven't been arrested?

And don't mention some bigoted talk-back radio host.

Do the police release the details of every single arrest they make, every day of the year, on the Channel 7 "News" Booby?




Not a single person has been arrested.
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Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:30pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:49pm:
Why do Sudanese have a special license to commit crimes?

The cops were right there in that car.
Why weren't the culprits arrested?


How do you know they haven't been arrested?

And don't mention some bigoted talk-back radio host.

Do the police release the details of every single arrest they make, every day of the year, on the Channel 7 "News" Booby?




Not a single person has been arrested.


Such a thing has happened before as in the Telford scandal in England. Police are often reluctant to prosecute in large numbers criminals from minority backgrounds for fear of being called racist, and having their reputation dragged through the mud.
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Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:30pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:49pm:
Why do Sudanese have a special license to commit crimes?

The cops were right there in that car.
Why weren't the culprits arrested?


How do you know they haven't been arrested?

And don't mention some bigoted talk-back radio host.

Do the police release the details of every single arrest they make, every day of the year, on the Channel 7 "News" Booby?




Not a single person has been arrested.


How do you know?

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greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:51pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:30pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:49pm:
Why do Sudanese have a special license to commit crimes?

The cops were right there in that car.
Why weren't the culprits arrested?


How do you know they haven't been arrested?

And don't mention some bigoted talk-back radio host.

Do the police release the details of every single arrest they make, every day of the year, on the Channel 7 "News" Booby?




Not a single person has been arrested.


How do you know?



Because it is a topical subject of interest and the media have not reported any arrests, moreover the police commissioner said no arrests had been made.
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Secret Wars wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:51pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:30pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:49pm:
Why do Sudanese have a special license to commit crimes?

The cops were right there in that car.
Why weren't the culprits arrested?


How do you know they haven't been arrested?

And don't mention some bigoted talk-back radio host.

Do the police release the details of every single arrest they make, every day of the year, on the Channel 7 "News" Booby?




Not a single person has been arrested.


How do you know?



Because it is a topical subject of interest and the media have not reported any arrests, moreover the police commissioner said no arrests had been made. 



Never let the facts get in the way of Greggy's apologist sympathies.
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Over representation or indeed under representation is areas that need focus and fixing or even emulating.

In education, health, access, poverty, crime just about any social measure you can think of.

Aboriginals are over represented or under represented in many areas so get special priority to address that, likewise minority groups are, like this example, over represented in crime, and no doubt under represented in university graduation, so there should be priority to address that.

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Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:02pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:51pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:30pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:49pm:
Why do Sudanese have a special license to commit crimes?

The cops were right there in that car.
Why weren't the culprits arrested?


How do you know they haven't been arrested?

And don't mention some bigoted talk-back radio host.

Do the police release the details of every single arrest they make, every day of the year, on the Channel 7 "News" Booby?




Not a single person has been arrested.


How do you know?



Because it is a topical subject of interest and the media have not reported any arrests, moreover the police commissioner said no arrests had been made. 



Never let the facts get in the way of Greggy's apologist sympathies.


Gregg has nothing better to do with his days than camp here demanding answers to inane questions.
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Secret Wars wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:08pm:
Over representation or indeed under representation is areas that need focus and fixing or even emulating.

In education, health, access, poverty, crime just about any social measure you can think of.

Aboriginals are over represented or under represented in many areas so get special priority to address that, likewise minority groups are, like this example, over represented in crime, and no doubt under represented in university graduation, so there should be priority to address that.



But, don't forget that the Indigenous Peoples are native to this country; they are our people. Also, we are responsible for their plight, and they deserve all the help they can get.
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Auggie wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:36pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:08pm:
Over representation or indeed under representation is areas that need focus and fixing or even emulating.

In education, health, access, poverty, crime just about any social measure you can think of.

Aboriginals are over represented or under represented in many areas so get special priority to address that, likewise minority groups are, like this example, over represented in crime, and no doubt under represented in university graduation, so there should be priority to address that.



But, don't forget that the Indigenous Peoples are native to this country; they are our people. Also, we are responsible for their plight, and they deserve all the help they can get.


It was an obvious and basic counterpoint to illustrate why over or under representation matters, pick any thing you like, aboriginals, females in parliament, women over 55 living in poverty, gig economy wages.

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Auggie wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:36pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:08pm:
Over representation or indeed under representation is areas that need focus and fixing or even emulating.

In education, health, access, poverty, crime just about any social measure you can think of.

Aboriginals are over represented or under represented in many areas so get special priority to address that, likewise minority groups are, like this example, over represented in crime, and no doubt under represented in university graduation, so there should be priority to address that.



But, don't forget that the Indigenous Peoples are native to this country; they are our people. Also, we are responsible for their plight, and they deserve all the help they can get.


Can't agree, Auggie - the plight of Aboriginals is much better in some ways now than it was then, and they have opportunities, but don't accept them and prefer to continue their current lifestyle in far too many cases.

How are 'we' responsible for the continuing high infant mortality rate in remote communities where they live as close to their traditional lifestyle as possible while being supported by government?  How are 'we' responsible for their choice, in far too many case, to use drugs and drink to excess and often carry on violently as if it is some tribal thing?

Secret Wars - so you are advocating Affirmative Action for Africans who do not meet the test of university entrance and pursue a lifestyle that means they never will?  How do 'we' go about reducing their tendency to crime ... apart from declaring them SOS...(Shoot On Sight)?

I came across a study that said that (at that time - about 2012 - wish I'd kept it and that computer) said that 72% of men would retire with only pension and something like 62% of women - so work that out.  In all this guff about 'women living in poverty' the reasons are countless, and women living in poverty in retirement are due to any number of factors - all of which, in terms of long term relationships, are addressed in property settlement.

BTW - there is no 'wage gap' - there are INCOME gaps everywhere... for countless reasons, and never forget that women in a marriage who do not work are in receipt of 50% of the other's income, so that is no argument.
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Secret Wars - so you are advocating Affirmative Action for Africans who do not meet the test of university entrance and pursue a lifestyle that means they never will?  How do 'we' go about reducing their tendency to crime ... apart from declaring them SOS...(Shoot On Sight)?


I was pointing out why over or under representation matters, it points to areas of government allocation of resources and attention.  In this instance there is obviously an issue, even if luvvie apologists would prefer it not be highlighted and the issue be ignored.

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Secret Wars wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:29pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:02pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:51pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:30pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:49pm:
Why do Sudanese have a special license to commit crimes?

The cops were right there in that car.
Why weren't the culprits arrested?


How do you know they haven't been arrested?

And don't mention some bigoted talk-back radio host.

Do the police release the details of every single arrest they make, every day of the year, on the Channel 7 "News" Booby?




Not a single person has been arrested.


How do you know?



Because it is a topical subject of interest and the media have not reported any arrests, moreover the police commissioner said no arrests had been made. 



Never let the facts get in the way of Greggy's apologist sympathies.


Gregg has nothing better to do with his days than camp here demanding answers to inane questions.



And yet he'd be cowering inside his house if an African riot was going on outside.
He'd call the police and demand action.
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Ye Grappler wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:50pm:
Can't agree, Auggie - the plight of Aboriginals is much better in some ways now than it was then, and they have opportunities, but don't accept them and prefer to continue their current lifestyle in far too many cases.


Excellent question. My answer is that institutional discrimination, which the indigenous peoples used to suffer from has generational effects. The Right often say: "Oh well, there aren't any laws discriminating against them now, so all is good." But, this completely disregard any social reality. Institutional discrimination is insidious and is more 'indirect' than what you claim.

It's very easy to say 'people choose to do things' but only irrational people choose to do things which lead to their own self-destruction. That irrational motive is due to the institutionalised oppression the indigenous peoples suffered before and which lingers on today.
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Excellent post, Auggie.

Another thing i think it of primary import to consider is the wide-spreading effects of grief and loss.

That is very much a part of the reality for a great many Aboriginal people ... and certainly of the people as a whole.


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Excellent post, Auggie.

Another thing i think it of primary import to consider is the wide-spreading effects of grief and loss.

That is very much a part of the reality for a great many Aboriginal people ... and certainly of the people as a whole.


It is REALLY high time mothra was unbanned and a bloody big apology offered to her!


I second that.
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Auggie wrote on Aug 14th, 2018 at 8:24pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:50pm:
Can't agree, Auggie - the plight of Aboriginals is much better in some ways now than it was then, and they have opportunities, but don't accept them and prefer to continue their current lifestyle in far too many cases.


Excellent question. My answer is that institutional discrimination, which the indigenous peoples used to suffer from has generational effects. The Right often say: "Oh well, there aren't any laws discriminating against them now, so all is good." But, this completely disregard any social reality. Institutional discrimination is insidious and is more 'indirect' than what you claim.

It's very easy to say 'people choose to do things' but only irrational people choose to do things which lead to their own self-destruction. That irrational motive is due to the institutionalised oppression the indigenous peoples suffered before and which lingers on today.


When you say 'used to suffer' you hit the nail on the head.... perpetually going over the past will aid Aboriginals no more than the British whining about the Norman Invasion will change things...

What are your proposals to bring Aboriginals out of their current situation?  Pick up a selected few, remove them from their 'community', dump them elsewhere and compel them to adopt the ways of society and thus prosper mightily by using The White Man's Way?  Then pick up another selected few, bring them up to standard, and then repeat until it's problem solved?

(I thought that had been tried)...........................................................

At what point does self-determination come into this picture?

You seem to be suggesting that Aboriginals as a group are 'irrational' leading to their own self-destruction (double whammy there - I'd like a double whammy burger for breakfast...).. and yet are blaming everyone else for that destruction.

I can assure you I came from a life of extreme deprivation in many ways - I did not turn to crime as a way of life.... (you can safely leave that to government and its instruments - they'll handle that for you, being essentially criminal in nature, so you are represented in criminal activity anyway).. rather the opposite.

Unless Aboriginals pick themselves up by their own thong-straps and decide to get ahead on their own steam - they never will - and handing them more and more out of whatever motivation will never change their situation for the better - only imbue them with a sense of entitlement for more and more and more.... without Earning it!

Believe it or not, there are Aboriginal nurses, dentists, and actors and such, and some even run businesses - it can be done.... but those specific people are self-motivated to do better, and want better for their own people.  Yes - they get scholarships and such to help - but that's for the very reasons you approach (but not meet) in your muddled way..... simply put - because unless they receive that assistance, the bonds of their 'community' will never release them to do better, meaning that the bonds are primarily this demand that they remain 'separate but more equal' by retaining their 'identity' - failed as it is as a means of prospering.
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Australian Aborigines intermarry more than any other race or ethnicity.

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Most Aboriginal men and women intermarry with non-indigenous Australians, new research has shown.

Analysis of the 2006 census reveals that 52% of Aboriginal men and 55% of Aboriginal women were married to non-Aboriginal Australians.

In Australia's larger east coast cities, the intermarriage rate was well above 70%; in Sydney, as many as nine out of 10 university-educated Aborigines had a non-indigenous partner.
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Grendel wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 9:57am:
Australian Aborigines intermarry more than any other race or ethnicity.

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Most Aboriginal men and women intermarry with non-indigenous Australians, new research has shown.

Analysis of the 2006 census reveals that 52% of Aboriginal men and 55% of Aboriginal women were married to non-Aboriginal Australians.

In Australia's larger east coast cities, the intermarriage rate was well above 70%; in Sydney, as many as nine out of 10 university-educated Aborigines had a non-indigenous partner.


Rooting the black out of them.....  Shocked  ... a practice once condemned as 'race discrimination' ..... now it's as kosher as banning a Jew from a Labor Party meeting by a Musselonian .... Jews, after all, are now so assimilated that they are White Men in reality, and thus it is kosher to get stuck into them these days.

Funny thing is that my Jewish forebears rose to quite high positions in rural Australia (pre the Immigration Revolution), and purely by hard work etc... it seems not too many actually hated them or anything... but now it seems to be different since they are now Tango Whiskey Mikes.....
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Auggie wrote on Aug 14th, 2018 at 8:24pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:50pm:
Can't agree, Auggie - the plight of Aboriginals is much better in some ways now than it was then, and they have opportunities, but don't accept them and prefer to continue their current lifestyle in far too many cases.


Excellent question. My answer is that institutional discrimination, which the indigenous peoples used to suffer from has generational effects. The Right often say: "Oh well, there aren't any laws discriminating against them now, so all is good." But, this completely disregard any social reality. Institutional discrimination is insidious and is more 'indirect' than what you claim.

It's very easy to say 'people choose to do things' but only irrational people choose to do things which lead to their own self-destruction. That irrational motive is due to the institutionalised oppression the indigenous peoples suffered before and which lingers on today.
Can you give a valid  example of institutional racism which "lingers on today" thanks.
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Ye Grappler wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 7:54am:
Auggie wrote on Aug 14th, 2018 at 8:24pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:50pm:
Can't agree, Auggie - the plight of Aboriginals is much better in some ways now than it was then, and they have opportunities, but don't accept them and prefer to continue their current lifestyle in far too many cases.


Excellent question. My answer is that institutional discrimination, which the indigenous peoples used to suffer from has generational effects. The Right often say: "Oh well, there aren't any laws discriminating against them now, so all is good." But, this completely disregard any social reality. Institutional discrimination is insidious and is more 'indirect' than what you claim.

It's very easy to say 'people choose to do things' but only irrational people choose to do things which lead to their own self-destruction. That irrational motive is due to the institutionalised oppression the indigenous peoples suffered before and which lingers on today.


When you say 'used to suffer' you hit the nail on the head.... perpetually going over the past will aid Aboriginals no more than the British whining about the Norman Invasion will change things...

What are your proposals to bring Aboriginals out of their current situation?  Pick up a selected few, remove them from their 'community', dump them elsewhere and compel them to adopt the ways of society and thus prosper mightily by using The White Man's Way?  Then pick up another selected few, bring them up to standard, and then repeat until it's problem solved?

(I thought that had been tried)...........................................................

At what point does self-determination come into this picture?

You seem to be suggesting that Aboriginals as a group are 'irrational' leading to their own self-destruction (double whammy there - I'd like a double whammy burger for breakfast...).. and yet are blaming everyone else for that destruction.

I can assure you I came from a life of extreme deprivation in many ways - I did not turn to crime as a way of life.... (you can safely leave that to government and its instruments - they'll handle that for you, being essentially criminal in nature, so you are represented in criminal activity anyway).. rather the opposite.

Unless Aboriginals pick themselves up by their own thong-straps and decide to get ahead on their own steam - they never will - and handing them more and more out of whatever motivation will never change their situation for the better - only imbue them with a sense of entitlement for more and more and more.... without Earning it!

Believe it or not, there are Aboriginal nurses, dentists, and actors and such, and some even run businesses - it can be done.... but those specific people are self-motivated to do better, and want better for their own people.  Yes - they get scholarships and such to help - but that's for the very reasons you approach (but not meet) in your muddled way..... simply put - because unless they receive that assistance, the bonds of their 'community' will never release them to do better, meaning that the bonds are primarily this demand that they remain 'separate but more equal' by retaining their 'identity' - failed as it is as a means of prospering.


What part of 'intergenerational' don't you get?? Institutional discrimination is very different from everyday, casual discrimination.

Just because some are able to succeed, it doesn't mean that those residual effects don't exist.
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Rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 11:02am:
Auggie wrote on Aug 14th, 2018 at 8:24pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:50pm:
Can't agree, Auggie - the plight of Aboriginals is much better in some ways now than it was then, and they have opportunities, but don't accept them and prefer to continue their current lifestyle in far too many cases.


Excellent question. My answer is that institutional discrimination, which the indigenous peoples used to suffer from has generational effects. The Right often say: "Oh well, there aren't any laws discriminating against them now, so all is good." But, this completely disregard any social reality. Institutional discrimination is insidious and is more 'indirect' than what you claim.

It's very easy to say 'people choose to do things' but only irrational people choose to do things which lead to their own self-destruction. That irrational motive is due to the institutionalised oppression the indigenous peoples suffered before and which lingers on today.
Can you give a valid  example of institutional racism which "lingers on today" thanks.


The Stolen Generation; the disruption of their way of life; their basic rights denied, etc.; loss and grief due to past atrocities and murders.

Shall I go on?
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You do go on...  and on and on...
perhaps it would be more bearable if when you did you went on factually.
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Australian politicians criticised a Queensland senator for his reference to the “final solution” in his maiden speech in parliament on Tuesday, August 14. Senator Fraser Anning of the Katter’s Australia Party said



Australia should restrict immigrants from the “third world” and that a national vote to ban Muslim migration would be the “final solution to the immigration problem.” “The record of Muslims who have already come to this country in terms of rates of crime, welfare dependency and terrorism are the worst of any migrant and vastly exceed another immigrant group,” Anning said. “We have black African Muslim gangs terrorising Melbourne, we have Isis-sympathising Muslims trying to go overseas to try and fight for Isis and while all Muslims are not terrorists, certainly all terrorists these days are Muslims. So why would anyone want to bring more of them here?”
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Australian politicians criticised a Queensland senator for his reference to the “final solution” in his maiden speech in parliament on Tuesday, August 14. Senator Fraser Anning of the Katter’s Australia Party said



Australia should restrict immigrants from the “third world” and that a national vote to ban Muslim migration would be the “final solution to the immigration problem.” “The record of Muslims who have already come to this country in terms of rates of crime, welfare dependency and terrorism are the worst of any migrant and vastly exceed another immigrant group,” Anning said. “We have black African Muslim gangs terrorising Melbourne, we have Isis-sympathising Muslims trying to go overseas to try and fight for Isis and while all Muslims are not terrorists, certainly all terrorists these days are Muslims. So why would anyone want to bring more of them here?”


John Howard has condemned Fraser Anning’s use of the term “final solution”, and reiterated his support for a non-discriminatory immigration policy.

The former prime minister today added his voice to the chorus of disapproval over Senator Anning’s first speech, in which he called for a ban on Muslim immigration and a “final solution to the immigration problem”.

“As prime minister I oversaw a non-discriminatory immigration policy,” Mr Howard told The Australian.

“That remains my attitude. I found the Senator’s use of the expression ‘final solution’ particularly distasteful, given its horrific provenance.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/politicsnow-malcolm-turnbull-s...
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Reply #216 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 7:27pm
 
Grendel wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 7:19pm:
You do go on...  and on and on...
perhaps it would be more bearable if when you did you went on factually.


You dabble in revisionist pseudo-history because it suits your worldview.
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Re: BIG AFRICAN RIOT IN TAYLORS HILL
Reply #217 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 7:29pm
 
Bobby wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Australian politicians criticised a Queensland senator for his reference to the “final solution” in his maiden speech in parliament on Tuesday, August 14. Senator Fraser Anning of the Katter’s Australia Party said



Australia should restrict immigrants from the “third world” and that a national vote to ban Muslim migration would be the “final solution to the immigration problem.” “The record of Muslims who have already come to this country in terms of rates of crime, welfare dependency and terrorism are the worst of any migrant and vastly exceed another immigrant group,” Anning said. “We have black African Muslim gangs terrorising Melbourne, we have Isis-sympathising Muslims trying to go overseas to try and fight for Isis and while all Muslims are not terrorists, certainly all terrorists these days are Muslims. So why would anyone want to bring more of them here?”


We have people like Bobby spewing hatred on the internet, and we have Nazi-sympathising bigots trying to promote their hatred in Australia, and while not all white people are Nazis, certainly all Nazis are white. So why would anyone want to have more of them here??
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Re: BIG AFRICAN RIOT IN TAYLORS HILL
Reply #218 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 7:33pm
 
Auggie wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 7:29pm:
Bobby wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Australian politicians criticised a Queensland senator for his reference to the “final solution” in his maiden speech in parliament on Tuesday, August 14. Senator Fraser Anning of the Katter’s Australia Party said



Australia should restrict immigrants from the “third world” and that a national vote to ban Muslim migration would be the “final solution to the immigration problem.” “The record of Muslims who have already come to this country in terms of rates of crime, welfare dependency and terrorism are the worst of any migrant and vastly exceed another immigrant group,” Anning said. “We have black African Muslim gangs terrorising Melbourne, we have Isis-sympathising Muslims trying to go overseas to try and fight for Isis and while all Muslims are not terrorists, certainly all terrorists these days are Muslims. So why would anyone want to bring more of them here?”


We have people like Bobby spewing hatred on the internet, and we have Nazi-sympathising bigots trying to promote their hatred in Australia, and while not all white people are Nazis, certainly all Nazis are white. So why would anyone want to have more of them here??



Don't shoot the messenger.
I merely copied & pasted part of a speech from a democratically elected senator of our Government.
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