Auggie wrote on Aug 14
th, 2018 at 8:24pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 13
th, 2018 at 9:50pm:
Can't agree, Auggie - the plight of Aboriginals is much better in some ways now than it was then, and they have opportunities, but don't accept them and prefer to continue their current lifestyle in far too many cases.
Excellent question. My answer is that institutional discrimination, which the indigenous peoples used to suffer from has generational effects. The Right often say: "Oh well, there aren't any laws discriminating against them now, so all is good." But, this completely disregard any social reality. Institutional discrimination is insidious and is more 'indirect' than what you claim.
It's very easy to say 'people choose to do things' but only irrational people choose to do things which lead to their own self-destruction. That irrational motive is due to the institutionalised oppression the indigenous peoples suffered before and which lingers on today.
When you say 'used to suffer' you hit the nail on the head.... perpetually going over the past will aid Aboriginals no more than the British whining about the Norman Invasion will change things...
What are your proposals to bring Aboriginals out of their current situation? Pick up a selected few, remove them from their 'community', dump them elsewhere and compel them to adopt the ways of society and thus prosper mightily by using The White Man's Way? Then pick up another selected few, bring them up to standard, and then repeat until it's problem solved?
(I thought that had been tried)...........................................................
At what point does self-determination come into this picture?
You seem to be suggesting that Aboriginals as a group are 'irrational' leading to their own self-destruction (double whammy there - I'd like a double whammy burger for breakfast...).. and yet are blaming everyone else for that destruction.
I can assure you I came from a life of extreme deprivation in many ways - I did not turn to crime as a way of life.... (you can safely leave that to government and its instruments - they'll handle that for you, being essentially criminal in nature, so you are represented in criminal activity anyway).. rather the opposite.
Unless Aboriginals pick themselves up by their own thong-straps and decide to get ahead on their own steam - they never will - and handing them more and more out of whatever motivation will never change their situation for the better - only imbue them with a sense of entitlement for more and more and more.... without Earning it!
Believe it or not, there are Aboriginal nurses, dentists, and actors and such, and some even run businesses - it can be done.... but those specific people are self-motivated to do better, and want better for their own people. Yes - they get scholarships and such to help - but that's for the very reasons you approach (but not meet) in your muddled way..... simply put - because unless they receive that assistance, the bonds of their 'community' will never release them to do better, meaning that the bonds are primarily this demand that they remain 'separate but more equal' by retaining their 'identity' - failed as it is as a means of prospering.
What part of 'intergenerational' don't you get?? Institutional discrimination is very different from everyday, casual discrimination.
Just because some are able to succeed, it doesn't mean that those residual effects don't exist.