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BIG AFRICAN RIOT IN TAYLORS HILL (Read 16216 times)
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Reply #195 - Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:01pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:51pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:30pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:49pm:
Why do Sudanese have a special license to commit crimes?

The cops were right there in that car.
Why weren't the culprits arrested?


How do you know they haven't been arrested?

And don't mention some bigoted talk-back radio host.

Do the police release the details of every single arrest they make, every day of the year, on the Channel 7 "News" Booby?




Not a single person has been arrested.


How do you know?



Because it is a topical subject of interest and the media have not reported any arrests, moreover the police commissioner said no arrests had been made.
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Reply #196 - Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:02pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:51pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:30pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:49pm:
Why do Sudanese have a special license to commit crimes?

The cops were right there in that car.
Why weren't the culprits arrested?


How do you know they haven't been arrested?

And don't mention some bigoted talk-back radio host.

Do the police release the details of every single arrest they make, every day of the year, on the Channel 7 "News" Booby?




Not a single person has been arrested.


How do you know?



Because it is a topical subject of interest and the media have not reported any arrests, moreover the police commissioner said no arrests had been made. 



Never let the facts get in the way of Greggy's apologist sympathies.
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Reply #197 - Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:08pm
 
Over representation or indeed under representation is areas that need focus and fixing or even emulating.

In education, health, access, poverty, crime just about any social measure you can think of.

Aboriginals are over represented or under represented in many areas so get special priority to address that, likewise minority groups are, like this example, over represented in crime, and no doubt under represented in university graduation, so there should be priority to address that.

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Reply #198 - Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:29pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:02pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:51pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:30pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:49pm:
Why do Sudanese have a special license to commit crimes?

The cops were right there in that car.
Why weren't the culprits arrested?


How do you know they haven't been arrested?

And don't mention some bigoted talk-back radio host.

Do the police release the details of every single arrest they make, every day of the year, on the Channel 7 "News" Booby?




Not a single person has been arrested.


How do you know?



Because it is a topical subject of interest and the media have not reported any arrests, moreover the police commissioner said no arrests had been made. 



Never let the facts get in the way of Greggy's apologist sympathies.


Gregg has nothing better to do with his days than camp here demanding answers to inane questions.
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Reply #199 - Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:36pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:08pm:
Over representation or indeed under representation is areas that need focus and fixing or even emulating.

In education, health, access, poverty, crime just about any social measure you can think of.

Aboriginals are over represented or under represented in many areas so get special priority to address that, likewise minority groups are, like this example, over represented in crime, and no doubt under represented in university graduation, so there should be priority to address that.



But, don't forget that the Indigenous Peoples are native to this country; they are our people. Also, we are responsible for their plight, and they deserve all the help they can get.
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Reply #200 - Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:46pm
 
Auggie wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:36pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:08pm:
Over representation or indeed under representation is areas that need focus and fixing or even emulating.

In education, health, access, poverty, crime just about any social measure you can think of.

Aboriginals are over represented or under represented in many areas so get special priority to address that, likewise minority groups are, like this example, over represented in crime, and no doubt under represented in university graduation, so there should be priority to address that.



But, don't forget that the Indigenous Peoples are native to this country; they are our people. Also, we are responsible for their plight, and they deserve all the help they can get.


It was an obvious and basic counterpoint to illustrate why over or under representation matters, pick any thing you like, aboriginals, females in parliament, women over 55 living in poverty, gig economy wages.

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Reply #201 - Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:50pm
 
Auggie wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:36pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:08pm:
Over representation or indeed under representation is areas that need focus and fixing or even emulating.

In education, health, access, poverty, crime just about any social measure you can think of.

Aboriginals are over represented or under represented in many areas so get special priority to address that, likewise minority groups are, like this example, over represented in crime, and no doubt under represented in university graduation, so there should be priority to address that.



But, don't forget that the Indigenous Peoples are native to this country; they are our people. Also, we are responsible for their plight, and they deserve all the help they can get.


Can't agree, Auggie - the plight of Aboriginals is much better in some ways now than it was then, and they have opportunities, but don't accept them and prefer to continue their current lifestyle in far too many cases.

How are 'we' responsible for the continuing high infant mortality rate in remote communities where they live as close to their traditional lifestyle as possible while being supported by government?  How are 'we' responsible for their choice, in far too many case, to use drugs and drink to excess and often carry on violently as if it is some tribal thing?

Secret Wars - so you are advocating Affirmative Action for Africans who do not meet the test of university entrance and pursue a lifestyle that means they never will?  How do 'we' go about reducing their tendency to crime ... apart from declaring them SOS...(Shoot On Sight)?

I came across a study that said that (at that time - about 2012 - wish I'd kept it and that computer) said that 72% of men would retire with only pension and something like 62% of women - so work that out.  In all this guff about 'women living in poverty' the reasons are countless, and women living in poverty in retirement are due to any number of factors - all of which, in terms of long term relationships, are addressed in property settlement.

BTW - there is no 'wage gap' - there are INCOME gaps everywhere... for countless reasons, and never forget that women in a marriage who do not work are in receipt of 50% of the other's income, so that is no argument.
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Reply #202 - Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:59pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:50pm:
Secret Wars - so you are advocating Affirmative Action for Africans who do not meet the test of university entrance and pursue a lifestyle that means they never will?  How do 'we' go about reducing their tendency to crime ... apart from declaring them SOS...(Shoot On Sight)?


I was pointing out why over or under representation matters, it points to areas of government allocation of resources and attention.  In this instance there is obviously an issue, even if luvvie apologists would prefer it not be highlighted and the issue be ignored.

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Reply #203 - Aug 13th, 2018 at 10:06pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:29pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:02pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:51pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 8:30pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:49pm:
Why do Sudanese have a special license to commit crimes?

The cops were right there in that car.
Why weren't the culprits arrested?


How do you know they haven't been arrested?

And don't mention some bigoted talk-back radio host.

Do the police release the details of every single arrest they make, every day of the year, on the Channel 7 "News" Booby?




Not a single person has been arrested.


How do you know?



Because it is a topical subject of interest and the media have not reported any arrests, moreover the police commissioner said no arrests had been made. 



Never let the facts get in the way of Greggy's apologist sympathies.


Gregg has nothing better to do with his days than camp here demanding answers to inane questions.



And yet he'd be cowering inside his house if an African riot was going on outside.
He'd call the police and demand action.
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Reply #204 - Aug 14th, 2018 at 8:24pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:50pm:
Can't agree, Auggie - the plight of Aboriginals is much better in some ways now than it was then, and they have opportunities, but don't accept them and prefer to continue their current lifestyle in far too many cases.


Excellent question. My answer is that institutional discrimination, which the indigenous peoples used to suffer from has generational effects. The Right often say: "Oh well, there aren't any laws discriminating against them now, so all is good." But, this completely disregard any social reality. Institutional discrimination is insidious and is more 'indirect' than what you claim.

It's very easy to say 'people choose to do things' but only irrational people choose to do things which lead to their own self-destruction. That irrational motive is due to the institutionalised oppression the indigenous peoples suffered before and which lingers on today.
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Reply #205 - Aug 14th, 2018 at 8:47pm
 
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Excellent post, Auggie.

Another thing i think it of primary import to consider is the wide-spreading effects of grief and loss.

That is very much a part of the reality for a great many Aboriginal people ... and certainly of the people as a whole.


It is REALLY high time mothra was unbanned and a bloody big apology offered to her!
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Reply #206 - Aug 14th, 2018 at 10:09pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 14th, 2018 at 8:47pm:
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Excellent post, Auggie.

Another thing i think it of primary import to consider is the wide-spreading effects of grief and loss.

That is very much a part of the reality for a great many Aboriginal people ... and certainly of the people as a whole.


It is REALLY high time mothra was unbanned and a bloody big apology offered to her!


I second that.
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Reply #207 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 7:54am
 
Auggie wrote on Aug 14th, 2018 at 8:24pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:50pm:
Can't agree, Auggie - the plight of Aboriginals is much better in some ways now than it was then, and they have opportunities, but don't accept them and prefer to continue their current lifestyle in far too many cases.


Excellent question. My answer is that institutional discrimination, which the indigenous peoples used to suffer from has generational effects. The Right often say: "Oh well, there aren't any laws discriminating against them now, so all is good." But, this completely disregard any social reality. Institutional discrimination is insidious and is more 'indirect' than what you claim.

It's very easy to say 'people choose to do things' but only irrational people choose to do things which lead to their own self-destruction. That irrational motive is due to the institutionalised oppression the indigenous peoples suffered before and which lingers on today.


When you say 'used to suffer' you hit the nail on the head.... perpetually going over the past will aid Aboriginals no more than the British whining about the Norman Invasion will change things...

What are your proposals to bring Aboriginals out of their current situation?  Pick up a selected few, remove them from their 'community', dump them elsewhere and compel them to adopt the ways of society and thus prosper mightily by using The White Man's Way?  Then pick up another selected few, bring them up to standard, and then repeat until it's problem solved?

(I thought that had been tried)...........................................................

At what point does self-determination come into this picture?

You seem to be suggesting that Aboriginals as a group are 'irrational' leading to their own self-destruction (double whammy there - I'd like a double whammy burger for breakfast...).. and yet are blaming everyone else for that destruction.

I can assure you I came from a life of extreme deprivation in many ways - I did not turn to crime as a way of life.... (you can safely leave that to government and its instruments - they'll handle that for you, being essentially criminal in nature, so you are represented in criminal activity anyway).. rather the opposite.

Unless Aboriginals pick themselves up by their own thong-straps and decide to get ahead on their own steam - they never will - and handing them more and more out of whatever motivation will never change their situation for the better - only imbue them with a sense of entitlement for more and more and more.... without Earning it!

Believe it or not, there are Aboriginal nurses, dentists, and actors and such, and some even run businesses - it can be done.... but those specific people are self-motivated to do better, and want better for their own people.  Yes - they get scholarships and such to help - but that's for the very reasons you approach (but not meet) in your muddled way..... simply put - because unless they receive that assistance, the bonds of their 'community' will never release them to do better, meaning that the bonds are primarily this demand that they remain 'separate but more equal' by retaining their 'identity' - failed as it is as a means of prospering.
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Reply #208 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 9:57am
 
Australian Aborigines intermarry more than any other race or ethnicity.

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Most Aboriginal men and women intermarry with non-indigenous Australians, new research has shown.

Analysis of the 2006 census reveals that 52% of Aboriginal men and 55% of Aboriginal women were married to non-Aboriginal Australians.

In Australia's larger east coast cities, the intermarriage rate was well above 70%; in Sydney, as many as nine out of 10 university-educated Aborigines had a non-indigenous partner.
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Reply #209 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 10:20am
 
Grendel wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 9:57am:
Australian Aborigines intermarry more than any other race or ethnicity.

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Most Aboriginal men and women intermarry with non-indigenous Australians, new research has shown.

Analysis of the 2006 census reveals that 52% of Aboriginal men and 55% of Aboriginal women were married to non-Aboriginal Australians.

In Australia's larger east coast cities, the intermarriage rate was well above 70%; in Sydney, as many as nine out of 10 university-educated Aborigines had a non-indigenous partner.


Rooting the black out of them.....  Shocked  ... a practice once condemned as 'race discrimination' ..... now it's as kosher as banning a Jew from a Labor Party meeting by a Musselonian .... Jews, after all, are now so assimilated that they are White Men in reality, and thus it is kosher to get stuck into them these days.

Funny thing is that my Jewish forebears rose to quite high positions in rural Australia (pre the Immigration Revolution), and purely by hard work etc... it seems not too many actually hated them or anything... but now it seems to be different since they are now Tango Whiskey Mikes.....
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