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Aug 6th, 2018 at 11:23am
 
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I am not defending the arsehole with the king hit......but I do say the chance of this happening would be reduced if they knocked out all the off ball pushing and shoving which would certainly piss me off if I was playing that game.
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It's always amazed me that these thugs aren't charged with criminal offences.

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It is a contact sport....Most players would be charged for assault if their hits and tackles were not in the game of AFL football....Whilst I agree Gaff deserves the full penalty of the AFL no criminal charges should be laid!!!

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Reply #3 - Aug 6th, 2018 at 2:41pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 2:39pm:
It is a contact sport....Most players would be charged for assault if their hits and tackles were not in the game of AFL football....Whilst I agree Gaff deserves the full penalty of the AFL no criminal charges should be laid!!!

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He threw a punch, though.

He didn't bump into him, or fall on him - he threw a deliberate punch.

If it was boxing, that's another story.

Punch someone in the street, and you can be charged.

The same should apply on the football field.

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Reply #4 - Aug 6th, 2018 at 2:46pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 2:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 2:39pm:
It is a contact sport....Most players would be charged for assault if their hits and tackles were not in the game of AFL football....Whilst I agree Gaff deserves the full penalty of the AFL no criminal charges should be laid!!!

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He threw a punch, though.

He didn't bump into him, or fall on him - he threw a deliberate punch.

If it was boxing, that's another story.

Punch someone in the street, and you can be charged.

The same should apply on the football field.



It hasn't been tested in court. However, assault and battery would likely be found in such a case if it was tested.
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Reply #5 - Aug 6th, 2018 at 3:21pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 2:46pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 2:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 2:39pm:
It is a contact sport....Most players would be charged for assault if their hits and tackles were not in the game of AFL football....Whilst I agree Gaff deserves the full penalty of the AFL no criminal charges should be laid!!!

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He threw a punch, though.

He didn't bump into him, or fall on him - he threw a deliberate punch.

If it was boxing, that's another story.

Punch someone in the street, and you can be charged.

The same should apply on the football field.



It hasn't been tested in court. However, assault and battery would likely be found in such a case if it was tested.


I'd love it to be tested.  The king hit bloke can then raise his self-defence, and or provocation defence ..... based on all the illegal manhandling pushing and shoving.

The AFL would do everything it could to stop that sort of Court Room examination happening.
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Reply #6 - Aug 6th, 2018 at 3:25pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 2:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 2:39pm:
It is a contact sport....Most players would be charged for assault if their hits and tackles were not in the game of AFL football....Whilst I agree Gaff deserves the full penalty of the AFL no criminal charges should be laid!!!

Huh Huh Huh


He threw a punch, though.

He didn't bump into him, or fall on him - he threw a deliberate punch.

If it was boxing, that's another story.

Punch someone in the street, and you can be charged.

The same should apply on the football field.



Are you claiming when a player sticks his elbow into someone's face or shirt fronts them whilst they are not looking it is accidental or different???

IMO most contact on a football field would be assault on the street....When you are payed to hit people tempers can be tested and things can get out of control....Let the AFL deal with it and accept there is an element of violence in sport that creates these situations???

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Reply #7 - Aug 6th, 2018 at 3:27pm
 
Aussie wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 3:21pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 2:46pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 2:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 2:39pm:
It is a contact sport....Most players would be charged for assault if their hits and tackles were not in the game of AFL football....Whilst I agree Gaff deserves the full penalty of the AFL no criminal charges should be laid!!!

Huh Huh Huh


He threw a punch, though.

He didn't bump into him, or fall on him - he threw a deliberate punch.

If it was boxing, that's another story.

Punch someone in the street, and you can be charged.

The same should apply on the football field.



It hasn't been tested in court. However, assault and battery would likely be found in such a case if it was tested.


I'd love it to be tested.  The king hit bloke can then raise his self-defence, and or provocation defence ..... based on all the illegal manhandling pushing and shoving.

The AFL would do everything it could to stop that sort of Court Room examination happening.


It probably already is.

It seems to be an open and shut case.

Punching is not part of the game of football.

Never has been.

If you punch someone in the street, you can be charged with an offence.

It makes sense that if you punch someone on the football field, you should be charged too.

Assault is assault, no matter where it happens.

I'm guessing people in the background are paid off, and the footballers are encouraged not to co-operate with the police (if they want to keep their jobs).

A lot of the boof-heads who watch football like to see the punch-ups, and without them the teams would probably lose some of their fans.

Neanderthals.

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Let the AFL deal with it and accept there is an element of violence in sport that creates these situations???


No.  Not once in my long career playing Rugby League did I sign up for gratuitous violence beyond the contact expected and agreed to.
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Let the AFL deal with it and accept there is an element of violence in sport that creates these situations???


No.  Not once in my long career playing Rugby League did I sign up for gratuitous violence beyond the contact expected and agreed to.


Don't play AFL then???



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Reply #10 - Aug 6th, 2018 at 5:18pm
 
Thug culture.  Stamp it out.....far cough with the current residue of pushing and shoving.

No, I never played that Game and thank goodness for that.  I would have lasted no more than a small fraction of the Game if it is okay that some idiot gets to freely push and shove me around when I am nowhere near the ball.
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Reply #11 - Aug 6th, 2018 at 7:27pm
 
Aussie wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 3:28pm:
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No.  Not once in my long career playing Rugby League did I sign up for gratuitous violence beyond the contact expected and agreed to.


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Reply #12 - Aug 6th, 2018 at 7:35pm
 
Aussie wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 3:21pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 2:46pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 2:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 2:39pm:
It is a contact sport....Most players would be charged for assault if their hits and tackles were not in the game of AFL football....Whilst I agree Gaff deserves the full penalty of the AFL no criminal charges should be laid!!!

Huh Huh Huh


He threw a punch, though.

He didn't bump into him, or fall on him - he threw a deliberate punch.

If it was boxing, that's another story.

Punch someone in the street, and you can be charged.

The same should apply on the football field.



It hasn't been tested in court. However, assault and battery would likely be found in such a case if it was tested.


I'd love it to be tested.  The king hit bloke can then raise his self-defence, and or provocation defence ..... based on all the illegal manhandling pushing and shoving.

The AFL would do everything it could to stop that sort of Court Room examination happening.


It has already been tested....

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'But even in retrospect the second is a lot more confusing. Why the police decided to pluck this one incident from the many potential assaults that have occurred on football fields over the decades is still a great mystery.

''That one charge from round 12 in June 1985 remains the one and only time in the entire history of the VFL-AFL that the police have taken action about an on-field incident.

Matthews was initially convicted and fined $1000, but the conviction was overturned on appeal and he was granted a 12-month good behaviour bond.


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https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/matthews-charge-still-mystery-20130729-2quxt...
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Reply #13 - Aug 6th, 2018 at 10:01pm
 
That was a Gaffe alright.


Now he's going to be out of the finals and Brayshaw is left with serious injuries which will see him sidelned for a long period also.

Oh well. that's footy. That poo happens from time to time.


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Reply #14 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 10:48pm
 
Raven was surprised when he saw this incident. Gaff has had a squeaky clean record, considered a gentleman of the game.

Gaff claims he pushed him in the chest first to gain some space and then went to push him in the chest again.

Tribunal evidence:

"I meant to hit him in the chest. I feel sick I hit Andrew in the face. (I had) absolutely no intention to hit Andrew where I hit him. Tried to do a similar hit (to) what I did 10 seconds earlier with my right arm,”

“In a split second, his body has lowered significantly. I’ve hit him, meaning to hit him in the chest. I’ve hit him in the face."

Gaff contacted both Brayshaw and his family to apologise, which appears to be accepted.

Brayshaw's brother Hamish plays for West Coast and according to Mark Brayshaw, Andrew and Hamish's father and Chief Executive of the AFL Coaches Association, Hamish speaks highly of Gaff.

"Hamish said to me Andrew Gaff is one of his best mates, and the most delightful bloke you have ever met," Mark Brayshaw said.

Mark Brayshaw wrote on the PlayersVoice website he and his family were concerned for Gaff, as he dealt with the fall-out from his violent act.

"We're interested in and caring about how the other Andrew is going," he wrote.

"Young Andrew Gaff and his family are in the middle of this maelstrom which is pretty intense, and he's got a few other things going on.

"We hope he does well and gets through it all."

Mark Brayshaw said his son and Gaff would meet later this week, and he was hopeful they would "shake hands and move on".

Overall it's a terrible incident but no matter his intentions Gaff deserved the ban.
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He also deserves to be charged by the Cops.  He can argue whatever excuse he has in a Court Room.
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Sure.

But where is the line?

At what point does the police get involved?
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He also deserves to be charged by the Cops.  He can argue whatever excuse he has in a Court Room.


We may as well just shut down the AFL so nobody gets hurt....Any tackle of shirt front would be an assault if it was not on a sporting field....Once you start to bring the police into contact sport you may as well tell players not to touch your opponent in case you are arrested for assault....What a load of bullshit IMO!!!

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Reply #18 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:02am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:53am:
Aussie wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 10:56pm:
He also deserves to be charged by the Cops.  He can argue whatever excuse he has in a Court Room.


We may as well just shut down the AFL so nobody gets hurt....Any tackle of shirt front would be an assault if it was not on a sporting field....Once you start to bring the police into contact sport you may as well tell players not to touch your opponent in case you are arrested for assault....What a load of bullshit IMO!!!

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Ummm it wasn't a bump or a tackle.
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philperth2010 wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:53am:
Aussie wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 10:56pm:
He also deserves to be charged by the Cops.  He can argue whatever excuse he has in a Court Room.


We may as well just shut down the AFL so nobody gets hurt....Any tackle of shirt front would be an assault if it was not on a sporting field....Once you start to bring the police into contact sport you may as well tell players not to touch your opponent in case you are arrested for assault....What a load of bullshit IMO!!!

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Tackling is a key component of the sport.

Closed-fist punches to the head (and body) are not.



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greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:04am:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:53am:
Aussie wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 10:56pm:
He also deserves to be charged by the Cops.  He can argue whatever excuse he has in a Court Room.


We may as well just shut down the AFL so nobody gets hurt....Any tackle of shirt front would be an assault if it was not on a sporting field....Once you start to bring the police into contact sport you may as well tell players not to touch your opponent in case you are arrested for assault....What a load of bullshit IMO!!!

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Tackling is a key component of the sport.

Closed-fist punches to the head (and body) are not.





I agree but sometimes a bump could also cause head contact that could cause injury....Players come from all directions and fists fly....Whilst I agree penalties should be severe and reflect the nature of the violence once you start arguing sport should not have any unnecessary contact you open up any indiscriminate contact to prosecution by the letter of the law....Let the league deal with players as they always have IMO!!!

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Reply #21 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 1:11pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:04am:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:53am:
Aussie wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 10:56pm:
He also deserves to be charged by the Cops.  He can argue whatever excuse he has in a Court Room.


We may as well just shut down the AFL so nobody gets hurt....Any tackle of shirt front would be an assault if it was not on a sporting field....Once you start to bring the police into contact sport you may as well tell players not to touch your opponent in case you are arrested for assault....What a load of bullshit IMO!!!

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Tackling is a key component of the sport.

Closed-fist punches to the head (and body) are not.



You would have taken a few punches in your time surely.
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Reply #22 - Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:59am
 
If we didn't have our gladiators, we'd be crying out for them.

When they go out on the oval, they expect to encounter similarly tuned athletes; not women, children, elderly, disabled, weak or otherwise.


I want to see it. I want to see these athletes going head to head. If the emotion boils over or a mistake is made, well stiff poo. It's all part of the game.


Talking about criminal charges is just ridiculous unless it is an obviouse malicious attack.
The 8 weeks was well enough penalty and probably too much imo as I think that Gaff really didn't mean to do any lasting damage. But he stuffed up and will take the penalty.

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"what has it come to when  a bloke cant punch his mate" lol
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A well known ex-AFL footballer was arrested in Perth last night, with a bag of meth up his arse.

Broke down crying in court today, at the prospect of going back to prison.

This boy has a serious drug problem.

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A well known ex-AFL footballer was arrested in Perth last night, with a bag of meth up his arse.

Broke down crying in court today, at the prospect of going back to prison.

This boy has a serious drug problem.



I wonder if the West Coast Eagles will still want Ben Cousins to mentor their young players....Rumours around Perth are that Cousins has been causing trouble for some time....Is it any wonder his wife will not let him near her children???

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philperth2010 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 4:12pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 2:42pm:
A well known ex-AFL footballer was arrested in Perth last night, with a bag of meth up his arse.

Broke down crying in court today, at the prospect of going back to prison.

This boy has a serious drug problem.



I wonder if the West Coast Eagles will still want Ben Cousins to mentor their young players....Rumours around Perth are that Cousins has been causing trouble for some time....Is it any wonder his wife will not let him near her children???

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I don't follow AFL, and I'm no fan of Cousins'.

However, I'm starting to feel sorry for this guy - meth has completely destroyed his life.

He was a well respected Perthonality - now he's just a washed up druggie with bags of meth up his arse.

So sad.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 4:15pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 4:12pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 2:42pm:
A well known ex-AFL footballer was arrested in Perth last night, with a bag of meth up his arse.

Broke down crying in court today, at the prospect of going back to prison.

This boy has a serious drug problem.



I wonder if the West Coast Eagles will still want Ben Cousins to mentor their young players....Rumours around Perth are that Cousins has been causing trouble for some time....Is it any wonder his wife will not let him near her children???

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I don't follow AFL, and I'm no fan of Cousins'.

However, I'm starting to feel sorry for this guy - meth has completely destroyed his life.

He was a well respected Perthonality - now he's just a washed up druggie with bags of meth up his arse.

So sad.


I knew Cousins was a scum bag years ago....Why do you think Chris Judd left a Premiership club to go to Carlton....The West Coast Eagles have a lot to answer for IMO???

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philperth2010 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 4:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 4:15pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 4:12pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 2:42pm:
A well known ex-AFL footballer was arrested in Perth last night, with a bag of meth up his arse.

Broke down crying in court today, at the prospect of going back to prison.

This boy has a serious drug problem.



I wonder if the West Coast Eagles will still want Ben Cousins to mentor their young players....Rumours around Perth are that Cousins has been causing trouble for some time....Is it any wonder his wife will not let him near her children???

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I don't follow AFL, and I'm no fan of Cousins'.

However, I'm starting to feel sorry for this guy - meth has completely destroyed his life.

He was a well respected Perthonality - now he's just a washed up druggie with bags of meth up his arse.

So sad.


I knew Cousins was a scum bag years ago....Why do you think Chris Judd left a Premiership club to go to Carlton....The West Coast Eagles have a lot to answer for IMO???

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I don't really know much about him, but the new allegations are really quite alarming.

" ... an allegation Cousins once got into a car with Ms Tinecheff while holding a screwdriver and said: “I can’t wait to use it”.

"He later allegedly threatened: “I’m going to kill you. I’m going to take your life and your freedom and the things you love the most.”

Cousins also allegedly said he was going to bury her car “where she would survive for a couple of days” then he would “bring the kids to play, so she would hear them but would not be able to get to them”.


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he is a typical  meth junkie who gives not a toss about anyone except himself and what he wants, the biggest mistake made was in not treating him as the criminal he was and is and avoiding sending him to prison. I cannot believe he is still getting special treatment. Current WA law treats anyone in possession of more than 3 grams of meth as intent to sell or supply with correspondingly much higher penalties than for mere possession. My understanding is that the cops have gone soft on him and he has been charged with possession only despite having more than 4 times the amount. He has now progressed to being a dealer in meth, the lowest of scum, still getting special treatment.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 4:15pm:


However, I'm starting to feel sorry for this guy - meth has completely destroyed his life.

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he destroyed his own life, not the meth. Forget about apologising for him.
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rhino wrote on Aug 23rd, 2018 at 11:18am:
he is a typical  meth junkie who gives not a toss about anyone expect himself and what he wants, the biggest mistake made was in not treating him as the criminal he was and is and avoiding sending him to prison. I cannot believe he is still getting special treatment. Current WA law treats anyone in possession of more than 3 grams of meth as intent to sell or supply with correspondingly much higher penalties than for mere possession. My understanding is that the cops have gone soft on him and he has been charged with possession only despite having more than 4 times the amount. He has now progressed to being a dealer in meth, the lowest of scum, still getting special treatment.


Yeah, I think he was (allegedly) caught with 13 grams up his clacker.

I know of someone who dabbles in meth, and it's screwing her life up now.

I hadn't realised just how bad it is.

The dealers certainly are scum.

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rhino wrote on Aug 23rd, 2018 at 11:19am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 4:15pm:


However, I'm starting to feel sorry for this guy - meth has completely destroyed his life.

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he destroyed his own life, not the meth. Forget about apologising for him.


I'm not apologising for him.

I'm just feeling some sympathy, as it must be hard not seeing his kids.


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If he cared about his kids he wouldnt be living the lifestyle he is. Everything is a prop for him now to be utilised for his own emotional or material gain, when they are at this stage the part of the personality that identifies with emotional attachment is destroyed.
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Reply #34 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 4:42pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23rd, 2018 at 11:23am:
rhino wrote on Aug 23rd, 2018 at 11:19am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 4:15pm:


However, I'm starting to feel sorry for this guy - meth has completely destroyed his life.

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he destroyed his own life, not the meth. Forget about apologising for him.


I'm not apologising for him.

I'm just feeling some sympathy, as it must be hard not seeing his kids.




Would you let Cousins near your kids Greg....He has crapped on everyone who has tried to help him including the West Coast Eagles and his family....If he was not a celebrity he would already be in jail!!!

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