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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	AFL Aug 6^th, 2018 at 11:23am Link. I am not defending the arsehole with the king hit......but I do say the chance of this happening would be reduced if they knocked out all the off ball pushing and shoving which would certainly piss me off if I was playing that game.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131540 Gender:	Re: AFL Reply #1 - Aug 6^th, 2018 at 11:38am It's always amazed me that these thugs aren't charged with criminal offences.
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philperth2010 Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19627 Perth Gender:	Re: AFL Reply #2 - Aug 6^th, 2018 at 2:39pm It is a contact sport....Most players would be charged for assault if their hits and tackles were not in the game of AFL football....Whilst I agree Gaff deserves the full penalty of the AFL no criminal charges should be laid!!!
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Reply #3 - Aug 6^th, 2018 at 2:41pm

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2018 at 2:39pm:

It is a contact sport....Most players would be charged for assault if their hits and tackles were not in the game of AFL football....Whilst I agree Gaff deserves the full penalty of the AFL no criminal charges should be laid!!!

Huh

He threw a punch, though.

He didn't bump into him, or fall on him - he threw a deliberate punch.

If it was boxing, that's another story.

Punch someone in the street, and you can be charged.

The same should apply on the football field.

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Reply #4 - Aug 6^th, 2018 at 2:46pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 6^th, 2018 at 2:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2018 at 2:39pm:

It is a contact sport....Most players would be charged for assault if their hits and tackles were not in the game of AFL football....Whilst I agree Gaff deserves the full penalty of the AFL no criminal charges should be laid!!!

Huh

He threw a punch, though.

He didn't bump into him, or fall on him - he threw a deliberate punch.

If it was boxing, that's another story.

Punch someone in the street, and you can be charged.

The same should apply on the football field.

It hasn't been tested in court. However, assault and battery would likely be found in such a case if it was tested.

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Reply #5 - Aug 6^th, 2018 at 3:21pm

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 6^th, 2018 at 2:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 6^th, 2018 at 2:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2018 at 2:39pm:

It is a contact sport....Most players would be charged for assault if their hits and tackles were not in the game of AFL football....Whilst I agree Gaff deserves the full penalty of the AFL no criminal charges should be laid!!!

Huh

He threw a punch, though.

He didn't bump into him, or fall on him - he threw a deliberate punch.

If it was boxing, that's another story.

Punch someone in the street, and you can be charged.

The same should apply on the football field.

It hasn't been tested in court. However, assault and battery would likely be found in such a case if it was tested.

I'd love it to be tested. The king hit bloke can then raise his self-defence, and or provocation defence ..... based on all the illegal manhandling pushing and shoving.

The AFL would do everything it could to stop that sort of Court Room examination happening.

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Reply #6 - Aug 6^th, 2018 at 3:25pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 6^th, 2018 at 2:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2018 at 2:39pm:

It is a contact sport....Most players would be charged for assault if their hits and tackles were not in the game of AFL football....Whilst I agree Gaff deserves the full penalty of the AFL no criminal charges should be laid!!!

Huh

He threw a punch, though.

He didn't bump into him, or fall on him - he threw a deliberate punch.

If it was boxing, that's another story.

Punch someone in the street, and you can be charged.

The same should apply on the football field.

Are you claiming when a player sticks his elbow into someone's face or shirt fronts them whilst they are not looking it is accidental or different???

IMO most contact on a football field would be assault on the street....When you are payed to hit people tempers can be tested and things can get out of control....Let the AFL deal with it and accept there is an element of violence in sport that creates these situations???

Huh

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Reply #7 - Aug 6^th, 2018 at 3:27pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 6^th, 2018 at 3:21pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 6^th, 2018 at 2:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 6^th, 2018 at 2:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2018 at 2:39pm:

It is a contact sport....Most players would be charged for assault if their hits and tackles were not in the game of AFL football....Whilst I agree Gaff deserves the full penalty of the AFL no criminal charges should be laid!!!

Huh

He threw a punch, though.

He didn't bump into him, or fall on him - he threw a deliberate punch.

If it was boxing, that's another story.

Punch someone in the street, and you can be charged.

The same should apply on the football field.

It hasn't been tested in court. However, assault and battery would likely be found in such a case if it was tested.

I'd love it to be tested. The king hit bloke can then raise his self-defence, and or provocation defence ..... based on all the illegal manhandling pushing and shoving.

The AFL would do everything it could to stop that sort of Court Room examination happening.

It probably already is.

It seems to be an open and shut case.

Punching is not part of the game of football.

Never has been.

If you punch someone in the street, you can be charged with an offence.

It makes sense that if you punch someone on the football field, you should be charged too.

Assault is assault, no matter where it happens.

I'm guessing people in the background are paid off, and the footballers are encouraged not to co-operate with the police (if they want to keep their jobs).

A lot of the boof-heads who watch football like to see the punch-ups, and without them the teams would probably lose some of their fans.

Neanderthals.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: AFL Reply #8 - Aug 6^th, 2018 at 3:28pm Quote: Let the AFL deal with it and accept there is an element of violence in sport that creates these situations??? No. Not once in my long career playing Rugby League did I sign up for gratuitous violence beyond the contact expected and agreed to.
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philperth2010 Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19627 Perth Gender:	Re: AFL Reply #9 - Aug 6^th, 2018 at 5:05pm Aussie wrote on Aug 6^th, 2018 at 3:28pm: Quote: Let the AFL deal with it and accept there is an element of violence in sport that creates these situations??? No. Not once in my long career playing Rugby League did I sign up for gratuitous violence beyond the contact expected and agreed to. Don't play AFL then???
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: AFL Reply #10 - Aug 6^th, 2018 at 5:18pm Thug culture. Stamp it out.....far cough with the current residue of pushing and shoving. No, I never played that Game and thank goodness for that. I would have lasted no more than a small fraction of the Game if it is okay that some idiot gets to freely push and shove me around when I am nowhere near the ball.
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Reply #11 - Aug 6^th, 2018 at 7:27pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 6^th, 2018 at 3:28pm:

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Let the AFL deal with it and accept there is an element of violence in sport that creates these situations???

No. Not once in my long career playing Rugby League did I sign up for gratuitous violence beyond the contact expected and agreed to.

Schoolboy Rugby at a Bundaberg High School?

FFS get over yourself.

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Reply #12 - Aug 6^th, 2018 at 7:35pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 6^th, 2018 at 3:21pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 6^th, 2018 at 2:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 6^th, 2018 at 2:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2018 at 2:39pm:

It is a contact sport....Most players would be charged for assault if their hits and tackles were not in the game of AFL football....Whilst I agree Gaff deserves the full penalty of the AFL no criminal charges should be laid!!!

Huh

He threw a punch, though.

He didn't bump into him, or fall on him - he threw a deliberate punch.

If it was boxing, that's another story.

Punch someone in the street, and you can be charged.

The same should apply on the football field.

It hasn't been tested in court. However, assault and battery would likely be found in such a case if it was tested.

I'd love it to be tested. The king hit bloke can then raise his self-defence, and or provocation defence ..... based on all the illegal manhandling pushing and shoving.

The AFL would do everything it could to stop that sort of Court Room examination happening.

It has already been tested....

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'But even in retrospect the second is a lot more confusing. Why the police decided to pluck this one incident from the many potential assaults that have occurred on football fields over the decades is still a great mystery.

''That one charge from round 12 in June 1985 remains the one and only time in the entire history of the VFL-AFL that the police have taken action about an on-field incident.

Matthews was initially convicted and fined $1000, but the conviction was overturned on appeal and he was granted a 12-month good behaviour bond.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/matthews-charge-still-mystery-20130729-2quxt...

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: AFL Reply #13 - Aug 6^th, 2018 at 10:01pm That was a Gaffe alright. Now he's going to be out of the finals and Brayshaw is left with serious injuries which will see him sidelned for a long period also. Oh well. that's footy. That poo happens from time to time.
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Reply #14 - Aug 8^th, 2018 at 10:48pm

Raven was surprised when he saw this incident. Gaff has had a squeaky clean record, considered a gentleman of the game.

Gaff claims he pushed him in the chest first to gain some space and then went to push him in the chest again.

Tribunal evidence:

"I meant to hit him in the chest. I feel sick I hit Andrew in the face. (I had) absolutely no intention to hit Andrew where I hit him. Tried to do a similar hit (to) what I did 10 seconds earlier with my right arm,”

“In a split second, his body has lowered significantly. I’ve hit him, meaning to hit him in the chest. I’ve hit him in the face."

Gaff contacted both Brayshaw and his family to apologise, which appears to be accepted.

Brayshaw's brother Hamish plays for West Coast and according to Mark Brayshaw, Andrew and Hamish's father and Chief Executive of the AFL Coaches Association, Hamish speaks highly of Gaff.

"Hamish said to me Andrew Gaff is one of his best mates, and the most delightful bloke you have ever met," Mark Brayshaw said.

Mark Brayshaw wrote on the PlayersVoice website he and his family were concerned for Gaff, as he dealt with the fall-out from his violent act.

"We're interested in and caring about how the other Andrew is going," he wrote.

"Young Andrew Gaff and his family are in the middle of this maelstrom which is pretty intense, and he's got a few other things going on.

"We hope he does well and gets through it all."

Mark Brayshaw said his son and Gaff would meet later this week, and he was hopeful they would "shake hands and move on".

Overall it's a terrible incident but no matter his intentions Gaff deserved the ban.

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