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Aug 1st, 2018 at 7:56pm
 
freediver, this is meant with the best of intentions and in the interests of the Forum I enjoy being able to access, participate in and have a very minor administration role in.

I acknowledge it does 'attack' a decision which can only be one of yours, but that it is exactly what it is.....an attack on the decision, not the decision maker.

Basic facts are:

1.  Mothra and Smith have been banned for EIGHT MONTHS!

2.  There is no obvious clear reason.  There is speculation....and that is totally uninformed because Administration has never clarified....a why.

3. Whatever the reason:

3(a).  On the 5th November last year, Neferti posted my personal details.  I am a seasoned veteran of these www Forums, and that, and that alone is the cardinal sin. She was given a ban of just six weeks.

3(b).  Within six weeks of her initial ban expiring, she doubled down on the 12th February this year, and has been banned since then, the duration is unclear.

3(c).  Both have been model prisoners in the sense that neither has tried to circumvent the ban with a sock.....unlike Neferti who did.



4.  Neither Smith nor Mothra did anything like that.

So......in this Thread....here are the Rules:

5.  I will delete any Poll.

6.  If you support their immediate reinstatement, post that you do, AND WHY.  That you merely like them is not good enough and I will delete your post.

7.  If you do not support their immediate reinstatement, post that you don't, AND WHY.  That you merely don't like them, or that they make you feel personally uncomfortable (no Rule against that,) that you reckon they are just trolls (no Rule against that) or similar shallow stuff which does not constitute a Rule breach (one not breached a zillion times every day at OzPol) ~ then your post will be deleted.

8.  Basic point is....leave personality out of it. Properly explain as an adult your decision.

9.  That freediver made the decision so it must be right, it not a good reason.  That is trite sycophancy and will be deleted.

There may be other things which arise that I have not mentioned, so all I can do is play the ball as it comes.

Please be fair dinkum, polite, no abuse and post like adults.

So.....there it is.
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Reply #1 - Aug 1st, 2018 at 9:31pm
 
I'll go first.

I support the immediate lifting of the bans. 

My reasons are:

I have read their last 25 posts here, and in not one is there anything breaching FD's published Rules.  If there was some other reason, he has not explained it.  If he did, and it was evidenced, then I might have a different view.  Fact is....that has not happened.

Further, if I have missed a Rule breach....no matter what that might have been.....it could not possibly be worse than what Neferti did on the 5th November last year when she posted the full personal details of a Member, me......and was handed a mere SIX WEEEK ban. 

It is important that 'punishment' be properly imposed, comparative, consistent and definitely NOT arbitrary or random.

Whatever it was....EIGHT MONTHS is well enough if not way too much.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

I vote that the bans be lifted immediately.
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Reply #2 - Aug 1st, 2018 at 9:44pm
 
I support their reinstatement.

There appears to be no rational cause for a ban.
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Reply #3 - Aug 1st, 2018 at 10:27pm
 
Yep bring them back
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Reply #4 - Aug 1st, 2018 at 10:30pm
 
Its time wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 10:27pm:
Yep bring them back


Why?
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Reply #5 - Aug 1st, 2018 at 10:32pm
 
*deleted ~ Rules are clear*
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Reply #6 - Aug 2nd, 2018 at 12:01am
 
I have no problem with them returning.
I would support their return. Everyone deserves to getafix of ozpol.

Reasoning voices should not be silenced, opinions should be heard.
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*deleted ~ Rules are clear*
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Reply #8 - Aug 2nd, 2018 at 3:02pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 2nd, 2018 at 12:01am:
I have no problem with them returning.

I would support their return. Everyone deserves to getafix of ozpol.

Reasoning, voices should not be silenced opinions should be heard.



I agree - as long as they apologise for all the trolling they did
& promise not to do it again.

*Fixed an issue.  Mod.*
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Reply #9 - Aug 2nd, 2018 at 3:05pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 2nd, 2018 at 3:02pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 2nd, 2018 at 12:01am:
I have no problem with them returning.
I would support their return. Everyone deserves to getafix of ozpol.

Reasoning, voices should not be silenced opinions should be heard.



I agree - as long as they apologise for all the trolling they did
& promise not to do it again.


*Edited.....the Rules are very clear.  Mod.*

*Fixed an issue.  Mod.*

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Reply #10 - Aug 2nd, 2018 at 3:18pm
 
*Edited.....the Rules are very clear. This is not a Thread for at-large commentary.....it is quite specific.  Mod.*
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Reply #11 - Aug 2nd, 2018 at 3:28pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 2nd, 2018 at 3:02pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 2nd, 2018 at 12:01am:
I have no problem with them returning.

I would support their return. Everyone deserves to getafix of ozpol.

Reasoning, voices should not be silenced opinions should be heard.



I agree - as long as they apologise for all the trolling they did
& promise not to do it again.


I reject the caveat.  If they come back it must be unconditional, not on parole...just normal Members with a clean slate.

*Fixed an issue.  Mod.*

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Reply #12 - Aug 2nd, 2018 at 3:32pm
 
Aussie wrote on Aug 2nd, 2018 at 3:28pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 2nd, 2018 at 3:02pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 2nd, 2018 at 12:01am:
I have no problem with them returning.
I would support their return. Everyone deserves to getafix of ozpol.

Reasoning, voices should not be silenced opinions should be heard.



I agree - as long as they apologise for all the trolling they did
& promise not to do it again.


I reject the caveat.  If they come back it must be unconditional, not on parole...just normal Members with a clean slate.



I reject your view -
people should show repentance before being forgiven.
Those 2 were also kicked out of the real PA for being trolls.

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Reply #13 - Aug 2nd, 2018 at 3:37pm
 
*I thought I had made it clear.  Post either support or not and then explain why in either case.  This Thread is not for any other commentary.  If you want to make other comments....go start a Thread here.  Mod.*
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Reply #14 - Aug 2nd, 2018 at 3:48pm
 
Agnes wrote on Aug 2nd, 2018 at 3:37pm:
*I thought I had made it clear.  Post either support or not and then explain why in either case.  This Thread is not for any other commentary.  If you want to make other comments....go start a Thread here.  Mod.*


*Edited....for the same reason.  Cut that crap out, Mr Wars.  Mod.*
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