Auggie wrote on Jul 31
st, 2018 at 6:42pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 31
st, 2018 at 6:25pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 31
st, 2018 at 6:16pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 30
th, 2018 at 9:40pm:
= representative democracy
I understand this dribble now.
Yes, you are correct, representative democracy is oligarchy, but many people here don't seem to think so.
Either we must accept oligarchy as 'iron law' or propose more radical measures to become democratic.
Society functions pretty well now. Maybe it's 80% as good as it can get.
It's an incredibly complex system.
It's way way easier to make a complex system worse then it is to improve it.
WeVe seen the results of radical change in hitlers Germany, mao's china, communist Russia, pol pots Cambodia. . Radical change by people who are lacking in humility are virtually guaranteed to end in catastrophe.
How many million corpses do you need to pile up to accept this.
Mao and Stalin made hitler look like an amateur.
I wouldn't want anyone from the radical left trying to change the economic fabric of society.
I couldn't think of a worse idea then that
Ok, aqua, here's an idea. Let's reform the Senate by using a sortition process - i.e. randomly selecting citizens in each State (respectively) much like the jury lottery we have now. Subject to certain conditions, i.e. age, income and criminal background, almost anyone will be able to be chosen to serve as a senator.
What do you think of this idea?
well thats a very bad idea as well.
you have this idea that all hierachies are oppressive and become tyranical.
they can but they arent neccessarily that way.
a hierachy works well when its a hierachy of competance.
so Jonathon Thurston gets to be the captain on the field because a group of men look at themselves and decide that he is at the top of the dominance hierachy.
you wouldnt randomly select from the 2000 rugby league players in townsville who was to be the leader.
the idea of hierachies seems to work and its deeply deeply entrenched in our DNA.
crabs and lobsters are always fighting with each other
and if a crab wins a fight, if he dominates, his serotonin goes up in his brain.
so crabs have a circuit for hierachies based on serotonin.
and if they lose and their serotonin drops, they curl up in the fetal position and wont fight for a while.
humans also have a depression circuit based on serotonin.
if serotonin drops , we get depressed.
if you give someone an antidepressant, their serotonin goes up and they become more motivated and confident.
what does this all mean?
well we diversified from crabs 300 million years ago but we are STILL using brain circuits that are always sizing up other people and working out if they are above us or below us in the hierachy.
so that circuitry is so entrenched in us that you will never be able to get rid of it.
we are NOT biologically able to live in communities where we are all equal and one person can be randomly selected to jump up the hierachy.
that system is 300 million years old.
how old is marxism which suggests we are all equal?
less then 100 years old.
we never have, never can and never will have a system where we arent all sizing each other up ,competing and striving to climb the hierachy.
the ONLY way to make this system function is to be RIGOROUS that the most competant people climb the hierachy. it aint random.
and you have to go thru years of brutal training to become competant
the marxist idea that an 18 yo uni student is competant enough to have any input into how society is run is just WRONG. its wrong to tell young people anything except to knuckle down and climb the hierachy by becoming more and more competant.
there are no short cuts