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Jul 27th, 2018 at 10:00am
 
There is now a worldwide rush to get the hydrogen energy revolution up and going.

The huge potential of hydrogen makes the little toy electric cars loaded with dangerous lithium fire bombs look so dead end.

Hydrogen will be used as energy for trucks, trains, ships, and even little toy cars. The dead end electric toys will be restricted to inner city commuters who have home charging available.

Musky will be wiped out by the monoliths of BMW, Mercedes, etc who are going to feed the electric market in China which has huge pollution problems..





Team shatters theoretical limit on bio-hydrogen production. Method increases yield of clean, renewable energy source.
University of Nebraska-Lincoln Date: July 26, 2018

An engineered bacterium produced 46 percent more hydrogen per cell than a naturally occurring form of the same species. The research team's highest reported yield -- 5.7 units of hydrogen for every unit of glucose fed to the bacterium -- easily surpassed the longstanding theoretical limit of 4 units.

    
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University of Nebraska-Lincoln researchers have engineered the bacterial species Thermotoga maritima to produce more hydrogen than any bacterium before it.
Credit: Scott Schrage, University of Nebraska-Lincoln

In 1977, researcher Rudolf Thauer proposed a theoretical ceiling on the amount of hydrogen that bacteria could produce via fermentation, the sugar-converting process also responsible for yogurt, beer and cheese.

Propelled by a genetic engineering technique that presents bacteria with a simple choice -- adapt or die -- research from the University of Nebraska-Lincoln just punched through that 40-year-old ceiling like Iron Man through papier-mâché.

A version of the Thermotoga maritima bacterium engineered by Raghuveer Singh, Paul Blum and their colleagues produced 46 percent more hydrogen per cell than a naturally occurring form of the same species. The team's highest reported yield -- 5.7 units of hydrogen for every unit of glucose fed to the bacterium -- easily surpassed the theoretical limit of 4 units.

The feat represents a breakthrough in the global effort to scale up the sustainable production of clean-burning hydrogen for vehicles and heavy industry, Singh said. Most commercial hydrogen comes from refining non-renewable fossil fuels such as natural gas, oil and coal -- processes that generate sizable amounts of carbon dioxide.

"I always had been interested in microbes and their potential to make something useful," said Singh, a doctoral graduate of Nebraska who conducted the research as part of his dissertation. "The current hydrogen production technologies create a lot of environmental problems. My dream is to improve biological systems and make them more competitive with those technologies."

Slowing the Sugar Rush

The T. maritima bacterium ferments sugar into simpler carbon-based molecules that fuel two processes: growing new cells and producing so-called metabolites, one of which is hydrogen. But under normal conditions, most of that carbon gets funneled into the biological machinery that cranks out new cells, leaving little left over for hydrogen production.

"There's a strong coupling between hydrogen synthesis and the growth of new cells, and this coupling needs to be weakened in order to increase the yield of hydrogen," said Singh, now a postdoctoral researcher at the University of Florida.

So the researchers decided to temporarily inactivate a gene that has no effect on cell growth but slows hydrogen production in T. maritima. When they did, a second gene -- this one involved in transporting sugar -- spontaneously mutated to prevent a lethal buildup of sugar-based metabolites. That mutation also dramatically redirected the bacterium's energy expenditure from cell growth to hydrogen production, creating a new strain that the researchers named Tma 200.

After transferring the newly mutated gene into a naturally occurring version of T. maritima, the researchers found that the bacterium overproduced hydrogen just as Tma 200 did -- confirming the influence of sugar uptake on hydrogen yields.

"We created the new organism using classical genetics because the necessary changes could not be predicted," said Blum, Charles Bessey Professor of Microbiology at Nebraska.

Singh, Blum and colleague Derrick White have since worked with technology-transfer office NUtech Ventures to apply for patent protection of the genetic technique, which Singh described as a "promising strategy" for increasing bacterial production of any potential metabolite.

"Hydrogen is just one of many possibilities," he said.

The team recently detailed its work in the journal Applied and Environmental Microbiology. Singh and Blum authored the study with White, a recent doctoral graduate now with NuTek Food Science; Yasar Demirel, associate professor of chemical and biomolecular engineering; and researchers from North Carolina State University and the University of Connecticut.

The researchers received support from the U.S. Department of Energy.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/07/180726085722.htm
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Reply #1 - Jul 27th, 2018 at 10:03am
 
Sth Korea is joining Hawaii and bypassing the useless toy electrics and going for the full strength hydrogen powered transport.




South Korea hydrogen vehicle sales start in 2019
By Staff reporter | 26 July 2018

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Mass sales of hydrogen powered vehicles were expected to start in South Korea next year after the government announced it would soon ease regulations on the production and transportation of the fuel.

The news emerged this week after the minister of trade, industry and energy, Paik Un-gyu, held a meeting with the president of Korea Gas Corporation, Cheong Seung-il, Hyundai Motor vice-president, Park Kwang-sik, and the heads of four related companies.

Hyundai, along with Toyota, is amongst the few car makers worldwide to have seriously targeted hydrogen as a mass market fuel in the short to medium term.

After the meeting, Paik told reporters the government would soon ease regulations on the production and transportation of hydrogen which are key issues that have, so far, held back the market for hydrogen powered vehicles.

In particular, the government would allow the use of reformers, which convert natural gas into hydrogen, in chosen districts as well as increasing the allowed carrying capacity of hydrogen transporters.

New operational standards had been developed for hydrogen refuelling, including a provision allowing for movable stations to provide additional flexibility and reach to a network of fixed stations.

The government planned to provide grants worth KRW2.6 trillion (US$2.3bn) to develop a hydrogen fuel 'eco-system'.

Hydrogen powered public service buses would be targeted initially with mass sales expected to start next year and 1,000 expected to be in operation by 2022.

Private vehicles also would be targeted, with some 15,000 units expected to be in circulation by 2022 once a refueling network of some 310 stations was in place across the country and with help from generous government subsidies


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Reply #2 - Jul 27th, 2018 at 10:03am
 
As the enormous potential of the hydrogen energy revolution is gradually being understood furious research is happening to launch world wide this massive change to world transport.




Thyssenkrupp develops new industrial-scale water electrolysis units to produce green hydrogen
Article by Amanda Doyle 26th July 2018 


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Thyssenkrupp water electrolysis plant

THYSSENKRUPP has launched industrial-scale water electrolysis technology to make hydrogen production economically feasible for large projects using renewable energy.

Hydrogen has a lot of potential in a low-carbon future, such as energy storage in the gas grid, clean fuels, and the production of sustainable chemicals such as ammonia and methanol when renewable energy sources are used. Thyssenkrupp has developed an economical electrolysis unit that can produce hydrogen on large scales. The technology uses a large active cell area of 2.7 m2 and achieves an efficiency greater than 82% through “zero-gap” technology, where almost no gap is left between the membrane and the electrodes.

Sami Pelkonen, CEO of the electrolysis and polymers technologies business unit at Thyssenkrupp Industrial Solutions said: “With our water electrolysis process, we have successfully brought a technology to market maturity which is of major significance for the energy transition. Green hydrogen as a clean, CO2-free starting point can be used in a variety of ways: for energy storage, mobility, and the production of sustainable chemicals.”

The technology is available in pre-fabricated skid-mounted modules so that it can easily be deployed and integrated into existing plants. The modules can add up to any desired project range, potentially into the range of hundreds of megawatts.

Roland Käppner, head of energy storage and hydrogen at Thyssenkrupp Uhde Chlorine Engineers said:

“Based on decades of experience in developing and building electrolysis plants, we have designed our product to [be] easy to deliver and install, highly efficient, with minimized investment and operation cost. And we have an industrial-scale supply chain of 600 MW per year already in place.”

The technology has already been commissioned successfully as part of Thyssenkrupp’s Carbon2Chem project, which aims to use emissions from steel production as raw material for chemical production. The hydrogen already present in the flue gas can be used for ammonia synthesis, but additional hydrogen is needed for methanol production.

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Reply #3 - Jul 27th, 2018 at 10:04am
 
Every enlightened normal straight human being is rushing to grab a piece of the hydrogen action.

Abandoned electric heaps with flat batteries are filling junk yards.




THE FUNKY BOAT CIRCLING THE PLANET ON RENEWABLE ENERGY AND HYDROGEN GAS
JACK STEWART TRANSPORTATION 07.05.1809:00 AM

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Aboard the Energy Observer, Victorien Erussand and Jérôme Delafosse are sailing around the planet without using any fossil fuel.JEAN-SÉBASTIEN EVRARD/AFP

VICTORIEN ERUSSARD, AN experienced ocean racer from the city of Saint-Malo in the north of France, was halfway through a dash across the Atlantic when he lost all power. Sails kept the boat moving, but Erussard relied on an engine and generator to keep the electronics running. He temporarily lost his autopilot and his navigation systems, jeopardizing his chances of winning the 2013 Transat Jaques Vabre race.

Never again, he thought. “I came up with the idea to create a ship that uses different sources of energy,” he says. The plan was bolstered by the pollution-happy cargo ships he saw while crossing the oceans. "These are a threat to humanity because they use heavy fuel oil."

Five years on, that idea has taken physical form in the Energy Observer, a catamaran that runs on renewables. In a mission reminiscent of the Solar Impulse 2, the solar-powered plane that Bertrand Picard and André Borschberg flew around the world a few years back, Erussard and teammate Jérôme Delafosse are planning to sail around the planet, without using any fossil fuel. Instead, they'll make the fuel they need from sea water, the wind, and the sun.

The Energy Observer started life as a racing boat but now would make a decent space battle cruiser prop in a movie. Almost every horizontal surface on the white catamaran is covered with solar panels (1,400 square feet of them in all), which curve gently to fit the aerodynamic contours. Some, on a suspended deck that extends to the sides of the vessel, are bi-facial panels, generating power from direct sunlight as well as light reflected off the water below. The rear is flanked by two vertical, egg whisk-style wind turbines, which add to the power production.

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Almost every horizontal surface on the white catamaran is covered with solar panels—1,400 square feet of them in all.JEAN-SÉBASTIEN EVRARD/AFP

Propulsion comes from two electric motors, driven by all that generated electrical energy, but it’s the way that’s stored that’s clever. The Energy Observer uses just 106-kWh (about equivalent to a top-end Tesla) of batteries, for immediate, buffer, storage and energy demands. It stores the bulk of the excess electricity generated when the sun is shining or the wind is blowing as hydrogen gas. An electrolyzer uses the current to spilt the water into hydrogen and oxygen. The latter is released into the atmosphere, and the H2 is stored in eight tanks, made from aluminum and carbon fiber, which can hold up to 137 pounds of compressed hydrogen. When that energy is needed, the H2 is run through a fuel cell and recombined with oxygen from the air to create electricity, with water as a byproduct. That’s the same way fuel cell cars, like the Honda Clarity and Toyota Mirai work.

By storing energy this way instead of with banks of batteries, Erussard made the Energy Observer three times lighter than the similarly sized MS Tûranor PlanetSolar, which became the first boat to circumnavigate the globe using only solar power in 2012.

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https://www.wired.com/story/energy-observer-renewable-energy-voyage/
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Reply #4 - Jul 27th, 2018 at 10:05am
 
The rush to get a part of the thrilling future of the hydrogen energy revolution is under way.

The many uses of hydrogen energy means its future is HUGE leaving the silly little dead end toy electric cars for dead.

How long will already cash strapped Musky last when the BIG BOYS like BMW and Mercedes and Volkswagen move in producing 5000 electric cars a day to feed the temporary electric car demand in pollution plagued China ?





Refinery Hydrogen Power Pilot Takes Shape in Australia
07/18/2018 | Sonal Patel

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Northern Oil’s Advanced Biofuels Refinery, near Gladstone, Australia

An industrial-scale pilot plant that will use surplus hydrogen from refinery operations to produce power is taking shape in Australia.

Industrial alkaline fuel cell power company AFC Energy on July 12 said it received its first commercial order for a hydrogen power generation unit in Australia from Southern Oil Refining, a subsidiary of Northern Oil.

Fuel cells convert fuel directly into power, and alkaline fuel cells are the oldest and “most reliable” of all fuel cell chemistries. They are used widely in space and submarine applications, the company said. “However, they have historically failed to find commercial terrestrial applications due to cost. The catalysts and materials used in the 1950s and 60s provided high power output but at a very high cost.” AFC’s alkaline fuel cell technology converts oxygen (from the air) and hydrogen (from a supply) into electrical energy, producing demineralized water and heat as byproducts.

The company recently wrapped up a two-year pilot in Germany at an industrial plant owned by Air Products, which accepted hydrogen from Dow Chemicals. The project, POWER-UP, was a European Union–backed demonstration.

The new pilot, expected to be sized between 200 kW and 400 kW, will be located at Northern Oil’s Advanced Biofuels Refinery, near Gladstone, Australia. The refinery currently converts several waste streams, including from sugarcane bagasse, “green waste” from cities, woody weeds like prickly acacia, and tires as feedstock for the production of bio-crude oil. The renewable fuel is refined into saleable kerosene and diesel products, but it requires large volumes of industrial stable biohydrogen to support the refining process.

Northern Oil is developing a new hydrogen generation technology that uses steam over iron reduction and chemical looping to deliver hydrogen, processes that are reportedly cheaper than conventional steam methane reformation. Surplus hydrogen generated from this system is expected to be consumed by AFC’s fuel cell system.


AFC said the pilot power system could be delivered to the Gladstone refinery in the first half of 2019. The company is now conducting engineering studies to determine the final project size, scope, contract terms, and general logistics for integration of the hydrogen power generation unit fuel system into the refinery. “AFC Energy plans to sell the balance of plant for its hydrogen generation unit to Southern Oil and lease the system’s stack and electrodes for an undisclosed sum reflective of the project’s capital cost [including fuel cells],” it said in a statement.

Northern Oil’s Gladstone refinery, which is backed by the Australian government, the government of Queensland, and the Australian Renewable Energy Agency, was the first of its type when completed in 2017.

According to Southern Oil CEO Tim Rose, the hydrogen-powered technology could help the renewable refinery generate its own power. “In developing the Gladstone Advanced Biofuels Pilot Plant over the last three years, Southern Oil has benchmarked cutting edge renewable technologies from around the world. In my mind, AFC Energy’s Alkaline Fuel Cell has great potential,” he said.

An estimated 100 GWe of hydrogen is vented to the atmosphere from industry each year, noted Adam Bond, AFC’s CEO. “The order received for the Company’s fuel cell system reflects the first stages of a growing pipeline of commercial fuel cell projects in country and validates the opportunities we believe to be emerging in the Australian hydrogen market.”


http://www.powermag.com/refinery-hydrogen-power-pilot-takes-shape-in-australia/

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Reply #5 - Jul 27th, 2018 at 10:06am
 
Now it is realized that dangerous electric cars are a dead end with no viable future there is lots of research occurring and there is frantic competition to get in first to the lucrative enormous many faceted hydrogen energy revolution.

Now Scotland is getting itchy feet to get onto the hydrogen bandwagon.





OPINION: Hydrogen is really happening
Written by Dick Winchester - 03/07/2018 6:00 am

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The Surf N Turf hydrogen project in Orkney: The Surf N Turf mobile storage unit goes onto an Eday boat


At some point in almost every decade since the 1970s a politician has insisted that the oil and gas industry has no more than 10 years to run.

It has proved to be nonsense, though given climate change pressures and concerns over the use of plastic and diesel fuels, the likelihood of a rapid shrinkage is now considerably more likely. It’s still more than 10 years away, however.

Hydrogen has been the subject of the same sort of ill-considered comment but the other way round. The view has been that hydrogen- powered fuel cell vehicles are always 10 years or more away.

That’s no longer the case. Fuel cell vehicles are here, though apart from a few buses in Scotland and a handful of fuel cell cars in other parts of the UK, this may not appear very obvious.

However, as is often the case in Scotland and across the UK, it’s not wise to judge the state of a global industry on what is happening here.

Oil and gas is ubiquitous. We use it to generate electricity, to heat our homes, to cook with, to power transport and as feedstock for chemicals including plastics.

That’s been a huge advantage both economically and practically because it means we’re using a single source raw product. However, it also means that anything we might want to consider as a replacement to achieve the zero carbon world that most governments want has to achieve the same or similar levels of usability.

Fortunately with hydrogen we can pretty much achieve all that now.

Hydrogen can be used for cooking and heating. There’s a hydrogen boiler at the Hydrogen Office in Fife and hydrogen-powered fuel cells can replace fixed and portable generators to provide electricity.

Plastics from hydrogen are still problematic, but that can encourage us to investigate plastic alternatives. This is happening already due to the plastics disposal problem.

An example is the replacement of plastic straws with paper ones, which, if memory serves me well, is what they used to be made of anyway.

Scientists in various countries including Spain and the US have already come up with ways of extracting hydrogen from plastic waste. It could be the case that a large part of our plastic waste needn’t be dumped but collected and used as a hydrogen feedstock.

Hydrogen production using renewable resources to make it as zero carbon as possible is already viable.

A recent EU-funded trial using a tidal turbine in Orkney is working well, as is a small-scale demonstrator at the Hydrogen Office in Fife. The latter is using a wind turbine to power the electrolyser that produces their hydrogen.

The Petroleum Economist magazine reported recently that governments and investors in Japan, China, South Korea and Australia are increasingly turning to hydrogen as a long-term alternative to fossil fuels.

Every day brings more news on hydrogen. In June, Hyundai and Audi formed a partnership on the development of fuel-cell electric vehicles.

Toyota has said that by 2020 it will be producing 30,000 fuel-cell vehicles per year.


French company Alstom is building hydrogen fuel cell trains and in Scotland a small shipyard in Port Glasgow is now part of an EU-funded project called Hyseas III to build a fuel cell powered ferry.

Even more exciting perhaps is the prospect for hydrogen fuel cell powered aircraft. Small prototypes have already flown in Germany and the US, while Norway wants all internal flights to be electric as soon as possible.

Fuel cells will also play a major role in the decarbonisation of shipping. The French have built a hydrogen-powered yacht which has completed a number of long distance voyages.

France plans to become a world leader in hydrogen and intends to spend an initial 100 million euros to help that happen.

California is probably the current leader in the adoption of fuel cell vehicles. China is a major player. Emphasis in Scotland seems to be on battery-powered vehicles. It’s a short termist view.

We have one company in Scotland now that can build a hydrogen refueller – H2Tec – and there’s ITM Power in Sheffield, which builds its own electrolysers and two or three very small companies developing fuel cells in England.

We need to do a lot more. The potential for renewable hydrogen production in Scotland is huge. We have wind and tidal energy available and it’s time we did something with them.

We shouldn’t be lagging behind like this.

https://www.energyvoice.com/otherenergy/175759/hydrogen-is-really-happening/
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Reply #6 - Jul 27th, 2018 at 10:08am
 
Now India is leaping on the hydrogen energy revolution not wanting to be stuck in the past with toy electric heaps.



Hydrogen cars could be the Future of Indian Motoring: Why this tech is more usable than battery-run EVs
By: Dipayan Dutta | Updated: July 23, 2018 12:59 PM

The technology known as Fuel Cell uses Hydrogen and oxygen to power Fuel Cells with the only resultant bi-product of the reaction being water. Recently, the GST council announced a slash in duties on Hydrogen powered vehicles sparking a re-evaluation of the technology for car manufacturers in India.

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Hyundai's Fuel Cell Vehicle, the Nexo, at the 2018 Indo-Korea Bussines Summit

In order to reduce our dependence on Fossil Fuels, the government has been pushing for electric vehicles for most of this year. However, while electric vehicles themselves are emission-less, there is an alternative technology which has been struggling with widespread implementation across the world.

The technology known as Fuel Cell, uses Hydrogen and Oxygen to power Fuel Cells with the only resultant bi-product of the reaction being water.  Recently, the GST council announced a slash in duties on Hydrogen powered vehicles sparking a re-evaluation of the technology for car manufacturers in India.

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Hyundai Nexo Fuel Cell Vehicle PM Narendra Modi showing interest in the Nexo's usability, something that might have resulted in the recent slash in duties by the GST Council.

In recent times, multiple manufacturers have argued on behalf of Fuel Cell technology saying that it will be easier to introduce Fuel Cell technology, without seriously impacting the environment. Interestingly, Fuel Cell vehicles will be powered by electric motors, but instead of batteries, they use a generator which that derives electricity through the process of combination between Hydrogen and oxygen. The only byproduct of this reaction is water. This not only removes the requirement for lithium (which is a rare commodity) but also increases the usability of the Electric vehicle exponentially.

Speaking on the recent announcement by the GST Council Mr Shekar Viswanathan, Vice Chairman and Whole-time Director at  Toyota Kirloskar Motor said "We note the Government’s technology-agnostic approach with the announcement of GST reduction (from 28% to 12%) on fuel cell vehicles, giving a boost to alternative fuels for mobility.

In Toyota’s vision of mobility 2050, all electrified vehicle technologies [xEVs] will remain relevant where EV would cover short distance commute, while HEV/PHV includes passenger cars and FCVs would be for buses/trucks.

This new move would positively promote such FCV technology start-ups for future, which is at a very nascent stage. Lower taxes will help faster adoption of electrification by gradually eliminating ICE over the period & improve customer acceptance in a phased manner. Such energy saving & environment protection criteria should eventually become the basis for taxation."


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Toyota Mirai FCV Toyota's Mirai or a derivative of its technology could also make it's way to the Indian market

For one, Hydrogen cell vehicles can be refuelled in a matter of minutes, compared to the conventional electric vehicle, which could take a couple of hours to recharge on standard charging. Most importantly, however, once refuelled, a Fuel Cell car could easily return a range of over 500 kms.

In comparison, electric cars currently on sale in India are limited to a range of 130-150 kms, with a significant drop when used in city traffic.


The first manufacturer to really showcase the Fuel-Cell technology in Passenger cars was Hyundai at the recent Indo-Korean Business summit in New Delhi to showcase the Hyundai's Nexo which can go as much as 609 kms on a single refuel.

Aside from Hyundai, Toyota has also long been one of the global leaders in the technology and has expressed interest in bringing it to India in the past as well. Even, Tata Motors has showcased a Fuel-Cell powered bus in the past and could be among the strongest proponents of the technology being evaluated for India.

The fact that fuel cells are mainly reliant on Hydrogen, makes the technology even more tempting considering that Hydrogen is the single most abundant element in the atmosphere.

The technology uses Hydrogen that can be carried in a tank in the car and fed into the fuel cell stack along with oxygen to create electricity and water, as a by-product.

Filling it in vehicles is pretty much like petrol at stations but it’s the conversion and storage process that costs a bomb and has been holding back the implementation of this technology. Hence, any measures like the one by the GST council aimed at lowering costs will go a long way in helping Hydrogen vehicles to go mainstream sooner.

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Reply #7 - Jul 27th, 2018 at 10:09am
 
It is happening here there and everywhere the thrilling Hydrogen Energy Revolution.

Now as everyone all around the world realizes the dangerous electric toy cars loaded with lithium fire bombs are a dead end there is a rush not to be left behind.





Solar and battery hydrogen innovation hub to be built in Western Australia
JULY 4, 2018 MARIJA DJORDJEVIC

Canadian-owned gas network operator ATCO is developing a micro grid at its Jandakot facility, which will use solar power to produce hydrogen fuel. The Australian Renewable Energy Agency has committed $1.5 million to the project.

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The Clean Energy Innovation Hub will integrate ‘green’ hydrogen created by water electrolysis – using solar energy to separate hydrogen molecules from water. Image: ARENA

Canada’s gas major ATCO will trial the production, storage and use of renewable hydrogen to energize a commercial-scale micro grid in Jandakot, Western Australia, and assess the practicalities of replacing natural gas with hydrogen at a city-wide scale across a municipality.

On behalf of the Australian Government, the Australian Renewable Energy Agency (ARENA) has announced $1.5 million to fund the $3.3 “green hydrogen“ innovation hub, touted as Australia’s first.

The micro grid will comprise approximately 1100 solar panels, capable of generating 300kW of power – around two and half times the daily power requirements of the facility, and 400kWh of batteries.

In a nutshell, the Clean Energy Innovation Hub (CEIH) will work as follows: solar energy is used to power the Jandakot facility, while excess energy is stored in batteries. The remaining energy is used to power an electrolyzer that separates water molecules into oxygen and hydrogen. The hydrogen is then stored as fuel for a back-up generator or blended with natural gas.

In addition to testing the use of hydrogen in different settings and applications including in household appliances, the project will provide insights into optimizing hydrogen storage and distribution solutions, blending hydrogen with natural gas and using hydrogen as a balancing fuel to support the grid.

ARENA CEO Ivor Frischknecht said the ATCO trial could lead to hydrogen being used more widely across Australia. “Green hydrogen offers opportunities to provide carbon free energy to cities and towns, while leveraging existing natural gas infrastructure,” he said.

Overall, the CEIH is the latest among a number of projects across Australia looking to use “green hydrogen”, such as South Australia’s 50 MW hydrogen electrolyzer developed by Neoen alongside a 150 MW wind project and a 150 MW solar farm, or a project near Port Lincoln by Australia’s Hydrogen Utility involving a 30MW water electrolysis plant, which is to provide balancing services to the grid and fast frequency response support to new solar plants under development.

For ATCO, the Jandakot project is an extension of its existing GasSola Residential Hybrid Energy System trial for nine sites in Western Australia’s south west, which integrates solar PV and battery storage with localized household natural gas electricity generation.


“Securing this grant is a major accomplishment,“ said ATCO Managing Director and Chief Operating Officer Pat Creaghan.

“The project has many exciting elements, but what truly sets it apart is the use of excess renewable energy, which would typically be lost to the system, to produce hydrogen,” he added.

The Clean Energy Innovation Hub is expected to be fully operational in 2019 with first results from the micro grid expected to be available later that year.

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Reply #8 - Jul 27th, 2018 at 10:41am
 
Now even below sea level Holland is jumping on the hydrogen band wagon.



JACOBS TO CONDUCT FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR EQUINOR HYDROGEN PLANT
By Mary Page Bailey | July 16, 2018

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Vattenfall’s gas power plant Magnum in Eemshaven

Jacobs Engineering Group Inc. (Dallas, Tex.; www.jacobs.com) was awarded a feasibility study contract from Equinor Energy AS to evaluate the possibilities for building a hydrogen production plant, including CO2 capture and export facilities, in Eemshaven, the Netherlands.

The hydrogen will be supplied as fuel to an existing natural gas-fired power plant that will be converted into a hydrogen-fueled power plant designed to lower the plant’s carbon emissions at a large scale.


The award of the feasibility study follows the Memorandum of Understanding of Equinor, with its partners Vattenfall and Gasunie, to evaluate the possibilities of converting Vattenfall’s gas power plant Magnum in Eemshaven into a hydrogen-powered plant.


“Getting the opportunity to work with Equinor to study the possibilities of gas-to-hydrogen conversion and contribute to a significant CO2 reduction is meaningful to Jacobs in many ways,” says Jacobs Senior Vice President and General Manager Energy and Chemicals EMEA David Zelinski. “The award enables us to leverage our expertise in gas processing and aligns perfectly with our vision to deliver innovative and sustainable solutions to our clients.”


Building on Jacobs’ expertise in hydrogen, reformer technology and CO2 capture, the study performed by Jacobs will focus on the objective of selecting the most effective reformer technology for hydrogen production together with a suitable CO2 capture technology. Jacobs will also deliver the conceptual design of the plant as a basis for economic evaluation and further project definition.


In order to avoid CO2 emissions from the hydrogen production process, up to three million tons per year of CO2 will be captured and then liquefied for ease of transportation to Norway, where it will be injected and stored in an off-shore reservoir. The first of three Magnum plant units should be converted to run on hydrogen by early 2024.

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Reply #9 - Jul 27th, 2018 at 10:53am
 
And frigid frozen Sweden is grabbing a share of the huge Hydrogen Energy Revolution.




Swedes fuel hydrogen drive. Vattenfall and Preem secure energy agency grant for gas plant
04/07/2018

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Swedes fuel hydrogen drive image

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Preem and Vattenfall’s planned hydrogen gas plant in Gothenburg

Energy giant Vattenfall and fuel producer Preem have secured Skr6m (€585,330) from the Swedish Energy Agency for preliminary planning of an 19MW hydrogen gas plant in Gothenburg.

The partners will now go ahead with design plans for the plant, which will produce hydrogen for biofuel manufacture based on residues from the Swedish pulp industry.

Head of the sustainable industry unit at the Swedish Energy Ageny Klara Helstad said: “This initiative has the potential to contribute to achieving the goal of zero emissions for both the industry and the transport sector.”

Vattenfall president and chief executive Magnus Hall (pictured) said: “It is very gratifying that the Swedish Energy Agency also sees the potential in Preem and Vattenfall's shared target of greatly reducing emissions from road transport.

“Vattenfall now has a further opportunity to develop the market for hydrogen gas production from fossil-free electricity.”

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EVs are in exponential growth. Hydrogen may have a few niche uses but that is all.
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Fact filled?  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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My Gosh! That absurd technically obtuse troll must have been lying in wait to rush out and ILLEGALLY STALK me!!!!

Can't have anything better to do and is so in awe of my vastly superior education and ability to present the FACTS.

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I'm so thrilled that Norway is rushing to the Hydrogen Revolution with its one and only Hydrogen Fool Bowser verses 170,000 Battery Electric cars Cheesy LOL



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Sir lastnail is not me, idiot!

He is right about hydrogen. It will never amount to much:


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Graf Hindenburg burning. It was not the first hydrogen–filled airship to do so:

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Hindenburg's arrival on May 6 was delayed for several hours to avoid a line of thunderstorms passing over Lakehurst, but around 7:00 pm the airship was cleared for its final approach to the Naval Air Station, which it made at an altitude of 650 ft (200 m) with Captain Max Pruss in command. At 7:21 pm a pair of landing lines were dropped from the nose of the ship and were grabbed hold of by ground handlers. Four minutes later, at 7:25 pm Hindenburg suddenly burst into flames and dropped to the ground in a little over half a minute. Of the 36 passengers and 61 crew aboard, 13 passengers[62] and 22 crew[63] died, as well as one member of the ground crew, a total of 36 lives lost.[64][65][66] Herbert Morrison's commentary of the incident became a classic of audio history.


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Is the Munk really Mad ? Sounds like it. The myth is busted just like the Mad Munk.



Hindenburg & Hydrogen
By Karl S. Kruszelnicki Published 26 February 2004

One of the most famous images of the 20th Century was that of the giant German airship Hindenurg engulfed in flames. The explosion was blamed on hydrogen gas but Dr Karl reckons it can't be so...

Back in the middle 1930s, if you were wealthy enough to fly across the Atlantic Ocean, there were two choices - noisy, small and cramped aeroplanes, or quiet and spacious airships that got their lift from huge bladders filled with hydrogen gas. Back then, it was still an even bet as to which technology would win in the long run - the faster and noisy aeroplanes, or the slower and more relaxed Lighter-Than-Air airships.

The answer was settled in favour of the aeroplanes in 1937, when the enormous Nazi hydrogen-filled airship, the Hindenburg, slowly maneuvered in to dock at a 50-metre high mast at the Lakehurst Air Base, in New Jersey. This was its 21st crossing of the Atlantic Ocean. Suddenly, there was a spark on the Hindenberg, and then flames. Newsreel film crews captured the sudden disaster as the Hindenburg burst into enormous plumes of red-yellow flames, and collapsed to the ground. Over thirty of the 97 people on board died. The disaster was blamed on the extreme flammability of the hydrogen lifting gas that filled most of the airship.

This bad reputation of hydrogen still bothers car manufacturers today, as they explore the use of hydrogen as a safe, non-polluting alternative to fossil fuels for powering cars. But it turns out that the extreme flammability of hydrogen is a mythconception.

The Hindenburg was the largest aircraft ever to fly - longer than three football fields (about 250 metres long). It was powered by four enormous 1,200 HP V-16 Mercedes-Benz Diesel engines that spun 6-metre wooden propellers. It cruised at 125 kph (faster than ocean liners and trains), and when fully loaded with fuel, had a range of some 16,000 km. It was opulently and almost decadently luxurious - each of the 50 cabins had both a shower and a bath, as well as electric lights and a telephone. The clubroom had an aluminium piano. The public rooms were large and decorated in the style of luxury ship - and the windows could be opened. It might be a little slower than the aeroplanes of the day - but it was a lot more comfortable.

The Hindenburg was painted with silvery powdered aluminium, to better show off the giant Nazi swastikas on the tail section. When it flew over cities, the on-board loudspeakers broadcast Nazi propaganda announcements, and the crew dropped thousands of small Nazi flags for the school children below. This is not surprising, because the Nazi Minister of Propaganda funded the Hindenburg.

At that time, the US government controlled the only significant supplies of helium (a non-flammable lifting gas), and refused to supply it to the Nazi government. So the Hindenburg had to use flammable hydrogen.

As the Hindenburg came in to Lakehurst on May 6, 1937, there was a storm brewing, and so there was much static electricity in the air - which charged up the aircraft. When the crew dropped the mooring ropes down to the ground, the static electricity was earthed, which set off sparks on the Hindenburg.

The Hindenburg was covered with cotton fabric, that had to be waterproof. So it had been swabbed with cellulose acetate (which happened to be very inflammable) that was then covered with aluminium powder (which is used as rocket fuel to propel the Space Shuttle into orbit).

Indeed, the aluminium powder was in tiny flakes, which made them very susceptible to sparking. It was inevitable that a charged atmosphere would ignite the flammable skin.

In all of this, the hydrogen was innocent. In the terrible disaster, the Hindenburg burnt with a red flame. But hydrogen burns with an almost invisible bluish flame.

In the Hindenburg disaster, as soon as the hydrogen bladders were opened by the flames, the hydrogen inside would have escaped up and away from the burning airship - and it would not have not contributed to the ensuing fire. The hydrogen was totally innocent.

In fact, in 1935, a helium-filled airship with an acetate-aluminium skin burned near Point Sur in California with equal ferocity. The Hindenberg disaster was not caused by the hydrogen.

The lesson is obvious - the next time you build an airship, don't paint the inflammable acetate skin with aluminium rocket fuel.


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Hey socko, hydrogen cars use lithium ion batteries. You'd better be careful about spontaneous combustion Cheesy LOL
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The STALKING TROLLS Mad Munk and his brother are after me.  Is the Munk really mad ?

But it is a shame to shoot these creepy STALKING TROLLS down in flames (ha ha).

A troll's motivation is to disrupt any intelligent discussion because it makes them feel inadequate and so they attack the poster and not the topic because it is too difficult for them to understand.

Compared to electric cars loaded with dangerous lithium fire bombs hydrogen cars are as safe as houses.




Here's why hydrogen-fueled cars aren't little Hindenburgs
Lucas Mearian By Lucas Mearian Senior Reporter, Computerworld | NOV 26, 2014 3:18 AM PT

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Honda's FCV

Hydrogen is explosive, but supply is a bigger issue for the nascent industry.

For all the volatility of a gas like hydrogen, which combusts with one-tenth the energy required for gasoline, hydrogen fuel cell vehicles are safer than cars with internal combustion engines, according to industry experts.


At last week's Los Angeles Auto Show, several major car companies, including Audi, Honda, Hyundai and Toyota, announced the release of, or updated plans to release, hydrogen fuel cell vehicles this year or within the next two years.

Toyota touted a four-passenger fuel cell vehicle (FCV) called the Mirai, which will begin shipping next month. Audi unveiled the A7 Sportback H-Tron Quattro, a modification of its four-door Quattro coupe that, instead of a traditional drive train, features an electric motor powered by a hydrogen fuel cell.

Meanwhile, Honda, which already leases its FCX Clarity hydrogen FCV in California, announced another concept vehicle that it plans to release in Japan in 2016. And Hyundai has been leasing its Tucson Fuel Cell since June and plans to produce 1,000 of the vehicles this year.

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Honda's FCX Clarity fuel cell vehicle, which the company already leases in California.

All of the cars are able to fully charge with hydrogen in three to five minutes, compared to the 20 minutes it takes for a Tesla all-electric vehicle (EV) to charge just half way.

A full charge in a Tesla provides up to 265 miles of travel. A Toyota RAV4 EV, gets only 125 miles on a full charge. Hydrogen FCVs, by comparison, can go 300 or more miles on a single charge.


But even though they fill up quickly and can run cars for long distances, hydrogen fuel cells are burdened with a somewhat unfortunate reputation, courtesy of Germany's infamous LZ 129 Hindenburg, the hydrogen-filled airship that exploded over Lakehurst, N.J. in 1937.

Hindenburg explosion. U.S. NavyThis photo, taken during the initial explosion of the Hindenburg, shows the 804-ft. German zeppelin just before subsequent explosions sent it crashing to the ground at Lakehurst Naval Air Station in New Jersey on May 6, 1937.

Toyota spokeswoman Jana Hartline said hydrogen fuel cells have gotten a bad rap. The perception that they're dangerous is unwarranted, she argued.

"I think it's just our perception of hydrogen being extremely flammable and dangerous compared to what we're comfortable with in this day and age, which is gasoline," she said. "Gasoline is also an extremely flammable fuel, and one that does not escape like hydrogen."

The hydrogen fuel cell tanks in the Toyota Mirai are pressurized up to 10,000 psi, and hydrogen is 16 times lighter than air. So, if a tank were punctured or otherwise compromised, the hydrogen gas would instantaneously dissipate into the atmosphere, Hartline said.

John Kopasz, a scientist at the Argonne National Laboratory who performs research on hydrogen gas production, said that while there are inherent dangers with any combustible fuel, hydrogen fuel is safer than gasoline.


If a regular car's fuel tank is punctured, gasoline leaks out and pools beneath the vehicle, creating a ready source of fuel for a prolonged burn, Kopasz said.

In fact, in the case of the hydrogen-filled Hindenburg, most of the fire was fueled by diesel fuel for the airship's engines and a flammable lacquer coating on the outside of the dirigible.

Today's hydrogen fuel tanks are also made from highly durable carbon fiber whose strength is assessed not only in crash tests but also in trials in which bullets are fired at it.

Toyota reached back to its roots as a loom manufacturer in the early 20th century to create triple-layer hydrogen tanks made of woven carbon fiber.

The tanks, which are lined internally with plastic, underwent "extreme" crash and ballistics testing, Hartline said, noting that they were "shot with bullets that actually bounced off."

"They had to move to high-caliber armor-piercing rounds to pierce the tank, and even then it had to be shot in the exact same spot twice with an armor-piercing bullet," Hartline said.

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The Mirai has other safeguards, including structural integrity to protect the tanks and electronic systems that are programmed to shut down any hydrogen lines in the car if a leak is detected. "So there are redundancies upon redundancies," Hartline said. "We're not going to put anything on the road that doesn't meet our safety, quality and durability standards."


Hydrogen is the simplest and most common molecule known to exist. And because of that, it is a part of almost every other substance, such as water and hydrocarbons. Hydrogen is also found in biomass, which includes all plants and animals.

There are several methods for creating hydrogen fuel, but the most common nowadays is via steam-methane reformation, a process by which high-temperature steam (1,000 degrees Celsius) creates a reaction with methane gas in the presence of a catalyst to produce hydrogen, carbon monoxide and a relatively small amount of carbon dioxide. The carbon dioxide and other impurities are then removed through a process called "pressure-swing adsorption," leaving essentially pure hydrogen. Steam reformation can also be used with ethanol, propane or even gasoline to produce hydrogen.

Steam-methane reformation is most commonly used by oil refineries, which then use the remaining hydrogen to remove impurities, such as sulfur, from petroleum and diesel fuels.

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How a hydrogen fuel cell stack works.

Hydrogen can also be produced through electrolysis, or using electricity and a catalyst to create a chemical reaction that separates the hydrogen molecules from oxygen. Solar power can also be used in combination with water and a catalyst (typically a metal) to generate hydrogen fuel by splitting hydrogen molecules from oxygen. Most often, the catalysts are expensive metals, such as platinum (iridium).

"Making hydrogen from natural gas can be done relatively inexpensively," Kopasz said. "Hydrogen made from water electrolysis is a process we've known about for a very long time, but they're still working to bring the cost of that process down. The main cost now is the electricity, but the catalysts are expensive too."

The biggest challenge to hydrogen production today is cost. While hydrogen molecules may be virtually everywhere, separating them from other compounds can be more expensive than refining gasoline. For example, a kilogram of hydrogen gas contains roughly the same energy as a gallon of gasoline, but it costs more than twice as much to produce, according to Kopasz.

A large part of the cost of hydrogen fuel, however, is the lack of existing infrastructure to produce it. That will change as government programs, such as H2USA, push for the development of more hydrogen fuel resources.

H2USA is a new public-private partnership to address the key challenges of hydrogen infrastructure. Its mission is to promote the introduction and widespread adoption of fuel cell electric vehicles across the U.S.

By 2020, the U.S. Department of Energy believes, the cost of hydrogen used in fuel cell electric vehicles (FCEV) will be competitive on a cost-per-mile basis with the fuels used in other types of vehicles, such as the gasoline in hybrid-electric vehicles.

But, the hydrogen fueling infrastructure is in its infancy. Refueling stations are few and far between. California is expected to build 28 stations by the end of 2016, bringing the state's total to 48 stations, according to Hartline. Toyota has partnered with FirstElement Fuel to build refueling stations in California and with hydrogen fuel provider Air Liquide to build a network of 12 stations throughout Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York and Rhode Island next year.

"The advantage of hydrogen fueling stations is that there's really a global standard that doesn't require specific tooling. Cars will be able to refuel anywhere, all the nozzles will be the same," said IHS analyst Devin Lindsay.


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All too late, requires huge infrastructure investment and the EV is here and now. Hydrogen is a niche fuel only. Fossil fuel interests love it as a counter to EVs but do not take it seriously.

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The Mad Munk STALKING TROLL can't have anything better to do.

The STALKING TROLLS don't like researched FACTS to be presented because they cannot understand them and so they get annoyed and attack and stalk the poster.

The TECHNICAL SECTION is the LAST PLACE these types should HAUNT.




Hydrogen Cars Aren’t the Hindenburg, and Other Marketing Hurdles for Toyota’s Mirai
Getty Images / Morning Consult illustration by Czarina Divinagracia BY ANNA GRONEWOLD March 29, 2018

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Toyota’s Mirai leaves the dangerous electrics loaded with Hindenburg style lithium fire bombs for dead

As it bets on fuel cell technology, automaker faces consumer misconceptions, lack of fueling stations.

At the Washington Auto Show in January, Toyota Motor Corp. representatives spent much of their time explaining to curious spectators at the Toyota Mirai display what the hydrogen fuel cell vehicle does not do: No, the car does not run on water; it emits water. No, you do not have to charge it like an electric vehicle.

“What do they do if somebody hits you?” asked Jose Banzon, 56, from Centreville, Va. “Do you blow up like the Hindenburg?”

For a company that is “bullish on fuel cells,” as Tom Stricker, vice president of product regulatory affairs for Toyota in North America, said at the auto show, Banzon’s remark is representative of just one of the hurdles Toyota faces as it makes a huge push to expand Mirai sales outside of California — the only U.S. state that has retail hydrogen fueling stations. (To answer Banzon’s question: No, it won’t explode, Toyota says, as the valves on the fuel cells are designed to shut down and vent off hydrogen safely during collisions.)


The company that launched the hybrid Prius in 1997 is betting on its hydrogen fuel cell technology to further position itself as a clean-energy leader. Like it did with the Prius, Toyota is hoping to use the Mirai, one of the first mass-produced hydrogen fuel cell cars when it began selling in Japan in 2014, as a way to become the dominant player in a nascent market.

But without government help, either in the form of regular incentives for buyers or long-term commitments to invest in fueling station infrastructure, Toyota is likely to find it difficult to market the vehicle to consumers who don’t understand the technology and to convince skeptics that it’s a viable business venture.

The Prius, which went on sale in Japan in 1997 and in the United States in 2000, also had its share of naysayers initially, said Ed Lewis, policy communications director for Toyota in North America, in a February phone interview. Yet Toyota leveraged its first-mover status to become a leader in hybrids, last year selling 1.52 million units globally, an 8 percent rise from 2016.

Government incentives, such as a federal tax credit of up to $3,400 for new hybrid vehicle buyers in 2005, were key to elevating the Prius, Lewis said. (The tax credit expired at the end of 2010; however, there are still other federal incentives available for energy-efficient cars.)

“The government understood the importance of the technology and its potential,” he said. “They had to stoke the market. It wasn’t an overnight success; it took us a while.”

The Prius also benefited from high-profile early adopters, such as actor Leonardo DiCaprio, said Chris Santucci, energy and environmental research program manager for Toyota in North America.

A Morning Consult survey shows Toyota has a long way to go to raise the profile of the Mirai, which debuted in the United States in 2015. In a poll of 2,201 people conducted March 15-17, 58 percent said they haven’t heard anything about the car, compared to 21 percent who had heard “not too much” about it and 21 percent who had heard “some” or “a lot.” The poll’s margin of error is 2 percentage points.

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Lewis declined to disclose the Mirai’s marketing budget, but Santucci said Toyota is hoping to increase recognition through outreach with think tanks, thought leaders and politicians. The model is also making the rounds at auto shows, including the New York International Auto Show, which runs Friday to April 8.

So far, Toyota has sold about 5,300 units of the Mirai in Japan, North America and Europe, according to Santucci, with more than 3,000 of those units sold in California. Other automakers offer a fuel cell model, but Toyota accounted for over 77 percent of global sales of such cars in 2017, according to a March report by Information Trends, a market research firm in Washington.

The goal for Toyota is to produce 30,000 fuel cell vehicles globally beginning in 2020, Santucci said.

In California, alternative-fuel vehicles have a champion in Gov. Jerry Brown, who in January announced a $2.5 billion initiative that includes increasing hydrogen fueling stations to 200 by 2025. The stations, financed by the state government, Toyota, Honda and other automakers, cost $1 million to $3 million each, according to Santucci. The state also has incentives for fuel cell car buyers, including a $5,000 rebate.


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Nah, EVs are way out in front and there is no way expensive hydrogen can catch them. You can get free “fuel” by installing solar panels and some batteries.

Hydrogen is just a gimmick where fossil fuel interests pretend to care about the environment. Give it up YouLiar.
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The Mad Monk STALKING TROLL is determined to display his/her GROSS TECHNICAL IGNORANCE.  Is just an embarrassment in the technical section.

Certainly can't have much else to do. What great life tragedy could turn someone into this ?

But much more enlightened persons in Australia see huge energy export opportunities to Japan.

The HUGE hydrogen energy revolution makes the dead end all electric cars look what it is - a tiny little market for already obsolete very inconvenient little very dangerous electric heaps.




How Australia can use hydrogen to export its solar power around the world
Bianca Nogrady Fri 19 May 2017 09.42 AEST Last modified on Thu 15 Feb 2018 04.42 AEDT

Recent innovations in hydrogen generation, storage, transport and use could transform it into the ultimate source of clean energy.

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Australia and Japan signed a deal in January 2017 to ship liquid hydrogen in bulk from Victoria, in what will be a world first. A pilot project is expected to start in 2020. Supplied artist’s impression of a liquid hydrogen carrier from ship-builder Kawasaki Heavy Industries. Photograph: SUPPLIED/PR IMAGE

Nearly a century ago, British scientist JB Haldane saw an energy future in which wind power would be used to generate hydrogen; a fuel he described as, weight-for-weight, the most efficient known method of storing energy.

He thought this future was four hundred years away, but the so-called “hydrogen economy” may arrive a lot sooner thanks to a recent burst of innovations in hydrogen generation, storage, transport and use. And it could open a new energy export market for Australia.

Hydrogen itself isn’t actually a fuel – it’s an energy carrier.

The gas is produced by splitting water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen by the electricity-driven process electrolysis. That hydrogen is then condensed under pressure and at very low temperatures into a liquid, which can be used in much the same way as petrol and diesel, or it can be used in fuel cells to generate electricity.

The conversion of that solar, wind or water energy into liquid hydrogen also enables it to be transported to where it is needed, which in most countries in the world is a reasonable distance away from where the energy is generated in the first place.

Hydrogen’s greatest asset is its potential to be the ultimate source of clean energy.

“The ability of hydrogen is it does not emit carbon dioxide when it is burned,” says Prof Dongke Zhang, director of the University of Western Australia’s energy centre. Therefore, if hydrogen can be produced using only energy from renewable sources, such as wind, solar, or hydro, then we don’t have to worry about carbon dioxide production at all.

The fortunes of hydrogen have waxed and waned over the past few decades. Interest first boomed in the 1970s in response to the oil crisis, then dropped as the crisis eased. Then the looming threat of climate change and peak oil drove a resurgence of interest in the early 2000s that – apart from a slowdown during the global financial crisis and Australia’s resources boom – has seen a concerted government and research focus on hydrogen.

As well as being a clean energy source, hydrogen also offers at least the same bang for buck as petroleum or diesel, says RMIT’s Prof John Andrews.

“In the automotive area, what hydrogen offers is a vehicle with a range equivalent to today’s petrol and diesel vehicles,” says Andrews. “For the five kilograms of hydrogen stored on board, there’s a range of up to 600km between refuelling.”

Hydrogen-fuelled cars have the added advantage of potentially taking a far shorter time to refuel – as little as five minutes with compressed high pressure gas – compared with an electric vehicle, which might need six to eight hours to recharge, he says.

Andrews also sees hydrogen being used to store excess electricity at the grid, or even the individual household, level. “So you have excess electricity fed into an electrolyser, produce hydrogen, compress it or store it in some way and then when you want to get the energy back you put it into a fuel cell and then back to the grid.”

So why isn’t the hydrogen economy already here?

Zhang says part of the problem is infrastructure.

“Hydrogen is a wonderful thing but we can’t just overnight change from burning natural gas to burning hydrogen, and we can’t stop our petrol and diesel cars and start to use hydrogen,” he says.

Using hydrogen on a large scale – either for electricity generation or transportation fuel – requires significant infrastructure investment; for example in hydrogen fuelling stations. Zhang points out that Australia’s geography and scattered population makes that an expensive prospect, at least for the time being.

Because of this, some are focusing on the perhaps more achievable prospect of Australia becoming an exporter of energy in the form of hydrogen. Dr Michael Dolan, principal research scientist at CSIRO, says this is an attractive scenario because Australia has such an enormous capacity to generate renewable energy compared to a country like Japan, which has limited free land and sunshine.

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The exciting future of the hydrogen energy revolution continues...

Hydrogen can serve as an “energy vector” to transport solar photovoltaic energy from the Pilbara to the fuel tank of a hydrogen-powered car on the streets of Tokyo.

But there is still the challenge of getting the hydrogen to Japan. One option is to compress it into liquid form, but this requires the gas to be cooled to around -250C, which is energy intensive.

Another option is to combine the hydrogen with nitrogen to make ammonia. It’s a technique that is well-established, and has been done on an industrial scale for nearly a century, Dolan says. Ammonia can be compressed into a liquid at much more moderate temperatures, and is relatively easy to transport. Indeed in January 2017, Australia and Japan announced safety standards for shipping liquid hydrogen in bulk for the first time.

What was missing – until recently – was the technology to extract the hydrogen back out of the ammonia at the other end of the export equation. However CSIRO recently announced the establishment of a pilot plant to test technology that can refine a 100% pure stream of hydrogen from gasified ammonia using a metal membrane.

The pilot will start by generating just five kilograms of hydrogen a day from ammonia, but it is hoped this proof of concept will be the last link in the chain exporting Australian sunshine to Japanese, Korean or even European shores.


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As I said, too much infrastructure needed. We already have electric infrastructure.

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So I have shown that copper internet is a waste of tens of billions of public moneys and that hydrogen is a niche fuel.

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The silly old STALKING TROLL is STILL waddling along scribbling dribble. The Munk is a bit MAD.

Huge research effort is going into launching the hydrogen energy revolution while the dead end electrics languish heading towards filling car junk yards as disillusioned owners get sick of range anxiety and half day refueling and fear of the lithium battery fire bomb exploding and incinerating them.



BOC to collaborate with CSIRO on revolutionary $3.4m hydrogen project
By Bob Carr on 22 August 2017

BOC, a member of The Linde Group, one of the world’s leading gases and engineering companies, will support CSIRO during its $3.4 million ammonia to hydrogen cracking and membrane purification project that is set to revolutionise the global supply chain for hydrogen.

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Dr Michael Dolan Principal Research Scientist at CSIRO and Alex Dronoff BOC at CSIRO’s Pullenvale site

As part of a recently signed collaboration agreement, BOC will contribute in-kind gas products, equipment and technical expertise worth in excess of $100,000 for the two-year project now underway at CSIRO’s test site in Pullenvale, Brisbane.

BOC will supply ammonia, which will be cracked and purified into pure hydrogen by the modular membrane technology unit developed by CSIRO. BOC engineers will also assist with compressing the hydrogen and storing it in special cylinder packs, then distributing it to customers on the Australian east coast for use in hydrogen fuel cell vehicles.

General Manager Hydrogen Alex Dronoff says BOC is proud to be working with CSIRO researchers as they take a significant step forward in hydrogen technology, paving the way for a renewable hydrogen export market that could meet rising demand in emerging markets Europe, Japan and South Korea.

“As the only global organisation with expertise and technology that covers the entire hydrogen supply chain, BOC and The Linde Group are committed to working with Australian researchers and industry to help advance the global transition towards clean hydrogen for mobility and energy.

“We look forward to sharing our extensive experience with CSIRO as they enter the final development stages of the membrane technology device – providing advice on generation and storage, right through to transportation and refuelling of hydrogen-powered vehicles.”

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BOC engineers and CSIRO research team kick off planning at CSIRO’s Pullenvale site

CSIRO Energy Director Karl Rodrigues is excited by the growing global momentum to develop hydrogen energy systems, and the potential for a hydrogen export industry to benefit Australia.

“We’re pleased to be partnering with industry – including BOC – and look forward to applying CSIRO innovation to facilitate the creation of new low emissions energy markets.”

Dronoff adds the CSIRO project is a vital technology breakthrough that complements much of the pioneering work that The Linde Group has been driving for decades.

“With more than 150 fuelling stations built worldwide and over 1.5 million refuelling operations completed, Linde is continuously working on the expansion of hydrogen infrastructure. In August 2016 Linde launched BeeZero, the world’s first hydrogen-powered carsharing service – and is a joint partner of the Energie Park Mainz project that produces and stores renewable hydrogen for mobility applications generated by electrolysis through wind energy at a grid-relevant scale.

“With this CSIRO technology, it will be easier and faster to replicate this success on an even larger scale. We are certainly excited by the significant role that Australia will play in making renewable hydrogen a fuel of the future.”

For more information on the CSIRO project, see here.   https://www.csiro.au/en/News/News-releases/2017/Membrane-for-hydrogen-fuel-cells

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It is too late for hydrogen, it will never amount to much.
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The silly old STALKING TROLL is STILL waddling along scribbling dribble. The Munk is a bit MAD.


Toyota Mirai Hydrogen Fuel-Cell Car Tops 3,000 California Sales. That shows just how little impact hydrogen cars are having.
BY STEPHEN EDELSTEIN JANUARY 24, 2018

The Toyota Mirai has racked up over 3,000 sales in California—the only state where it is available—since order books for the hydrogen fuel-cell car first opened in 2015. Toyota noted that the Mirai now accounts for 80 percent of fuel-cell vehicle sales in the United States. But the relatively small number of cars sold shows that fuel-cell vehicles still have a long way to go.

The Mirai wasn't the first fuel-cell car offered for sale to the general public in the U.S. That distinction goes to the Hyundai Tucson Fuel Cell, which went on sale in the U.S. in 2014. But the Mirai was the first to be a distinct model, rather than a fuel-cell version of an existing model. The Mirai also competes against the Honda Clarity Fuel Cell, and Hyundai will soon replace the Tucson Fuel Cell with a new model called the Nexo.

But Toyota, Hyundai, and Honda are fighting for pieces of a very small pie. Toyota sold over 100,000 Prius hybrids in 2017 alone, while Nissan sold around 11,000 battery-electric Leafs. Many fuel-cell cars also go to fleet buyers rather than individual customers, and all three automakers currently selling hydrogen cars in the U.S. limit sales to California.

The Golden State is the only state where you can buy a hydrogen fuel-cell car because other states lack sufficient fueling infrastructure. California currently has 31 public hydrogen stations, and Toyota expects 12 more to open this year. The automaker is also working with Air Liquide to build 12 stations between New York and Boston. That effort got off to a slow start, but Toyota expects the first of these East Coast stations to open in Boston later this year.

Despite slow sales and a parallel program to develop battery-electric cars, Toyota sees a bright future for fuel cells. The company believes fuel-cell cars will be as cheap as hybrids by 2025, and that it will be making 10 times as many by then as it does today. Toyota's fuel-cell interests extend beyond cars to buses and commercial trucks.

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Not nearly enough. Just Tesla will be making 30,000 Model 3s a month by the end of this year. It is a bit like VHS v betamax videotapes, VHS won out. Who wants the minority electric car with no infrastructure to support it? Your own article show how far hydrogen is!
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 31st, 2018 at 10:57am:
Nah, EVs are way out in front and there is no way expensive hydrogen can catch them. You can get free “fuel” by installing solar panels and some batteries.

Hydrogen is just a gimmick where fossil fuel interests pretend to care about the environment. Give it up YouLiar.


Socko is hoping that his libbo mates will still have a future ripping off the battlers for their energy requirements but the smart people have already moved to electric cars and battery backup Wink

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https://www.hytechpower.com/
I still think this is hydrogens only real use in vehicles..... fuel cells r so inefficient because it need to be compressed with 10,000 pounds of pressure to be usable.
Hytec make the hydrogen to be used with diesel and have a beta of a hydrogen ute that looks promising.  Wink
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The world is rushing ! The world is rushing ! I am so thrilled Cheesy LOL
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u do realize my last post I was being pro hydrogen... Jules instead of just insults maybe actually read what's happening  Wink
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Unlike the dumb trolls SA can see the huge hydrogen energy export potential to Japan.



S.A. to host Australia’s first green hydrogen power plant
Giles Parkinson 12 February 2018

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The South Australia government has announced funding for what will be Australia’s first renewable-hydrogen electrolyser plant – a 15MW facility to be built near the end of the grid at Port Lincoln on the Eyre Peninsula.

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The “green hydrogen” plant – to be built by Hydrogen Utility (H2U), working with Germany’s thyssenkrupp – will include a 10MW hydrogen-fired gas turbine, fuelled by local wind and solar power, and a 5MW hydrogen fuel cell.

Both will supply power to the grid, will support two new solar farms and a local micro-grid, and will also include “distributed ammonia” that can be used as an industrial fertiliser for farmers and aquaculture operators.

The $117.5 million project, which will receive a $4.7 million grant and a $7.5 million loan from South Australia’s Renewable Technology Fund, is being described as a “globally-significant demonstrator project” for the emerging hydrogen energy sector.

It is the second biggest facility of its type, will boast the biggest hydrogen-supported turbine, and will also be the largest supplier of “green ammonia” in the world.

Hydrogen has often been dismissed as a viable technology because of the recent gains of electric vehicles and battery storage, but its proponents believe that it can create export industries to rival that of natural gas, and its added value chain can make it extremely valuable in the domestic market.

“More renewable energy means cheaper power and the ability to store renewables means the benefits of that cheap power can be experienced around the clock,” energy minister Tom Koutsantonis said in a statement.

“Hydrogen also offers an opportunity to create a new industry in South Australia where we can export our sun and wind resources to the world.”

The announcement continues a late rush of pre-election funding initiatives by the Labor government in the last few weeks, including for microgrids, virtual power plants, more grid-scale batteries, and five potential pumped hydro projects, scaling the range of storage options.


South Australia, which goes to the polls in little more than four weeks, already sources half of its electricity needs from wind and solar and will soon source even more as new projects come on-line, and hydrogen is seen as a major new opportunity.

“South Australia is at the global forefront of a broad range of storage technology, from big batteries, to virtual power plants to pumped hydro – now we will also be home to one of the largest hydrogen production facilities in the world as well,” Koutsantonis said.

The project at Port Lincoln will be nearly 10 times bigger than an electrolyser planned by the ACT government as part of its push to source 100 per cent of its electricity needs through renewable energy.

Hydrogen is produced through a process called electrolysis which, in this case, uses surplus renewable energy from wind and solar plants to power an electrolyser to split clean water into hydrogen and oxygen.

That hydrogen can then be used to power fuel cell vehicles, make ammonia, generate electricity in a turbine or fuel cell, supply industry, or to export around the world.

H2U chief executive Dr Attilio Pigneri said the hydrogen gas plant and fuel cell will be able to provide balancing services to the national transmission grid, as well as fast frequency response support for new solar plants under development in the Eyre Peninsula.

Pigneri told RenewEconomy the electrolyser itself will provide fast response in the range of milliseconds, while the gas turbine and the fuel cell can put power into the grid.

He sees hydrogen as a viable competitor to battery storage for “end-of-grid” solutions, particularly from its ability to generate additional income streams such as ammonia.

Asked about the skepticism surround hydrogen technologies, Pigneri said there was a “lot of momentum for batteries, but hydrogen technology is quite robust   .. it may provide a more effective option than batteries, because you can store as much as you want.”

The Port Lincoln facility will store 10 tonnes of hydrogen, equivalent to 200MWh.

It will support two new solar farms and a 5MW micro-grid to be built by a local tuna operator – many of which have been frustrated by recent blackouts, and the failure of the ageing diesel generators.

It will also supply green ammonia and other chemicals to local farmers and aquaculture operators.

“The project will provide the perfect training ground for a new wave of green hydrogen professionals,” Pigneri said in a statement.

“We are very lucky to be able to work with local academic institutions, such as the University of Adelaide, and the local energy market regulator, towards the establishment of training programs for certified operators, technicians and professionals that can support the growth of the industry.”

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The project is supported by the local industry and community, including Regional Development Australia Whyalla and Eyre Peninsula (RDAWEP), the transmission network operator ElectraNet, and the South Australia No-Till Farmers Association (SANTFA).

RDAWEP Chief Executive Dion Forward said innovative thinking like hydrogen storage would help provide pathways for addressing regional challenges in the reliability and quality of electricity supply.

“This project represents the things that we do best, collaborating to share innovation across many industries including energy, transport, education, farming, fishing and food production to be more sustainable and globally competitive,” Forward in a statement.

“Power firming initiatives are vital to improving liveability and strengthening the competitiveness of our existing industries.

“This project addresses these issues and offers so much more, the establishment of new supply chain capabilities will help the region to further diversify and prosper from the opportunities associated with growth in the green hydrogen economy.”

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Ammonia is looking good as a carrier for hydrogen.



Australian Renewable Energy Agency Issues H2 Fuel Carriers RFP
by Stephen Crolius JANUARY 18, 2018

One of Ammonia Energy’s “top ten” stories of 2017 described Australia’s early steps toward export of renewable hydrogen in the form of green ammonia.  The story said that “Agencies such as the Australian Renewable Energy Agency (ARENA) made it clear during the year that the country intends to build on [its historical] position” as a supplier of fossil energy to countries such as Japan.

ARENA took a tangible step in this direction on December 20, 2017 with the release of a Request for Proposal for a AUD$20 million (USD$16 million) renewable hydrogen R&D funding program.  Included in the scope, per ARENA’s 2017 Investment Plan, could be “demonstration of renewable production methods for transportable energy storage options (such as hydrogen or ammonia).”

The ARENA plan contains four priorities, one of which is the export of renewable energy.  In this area, the agency is thinking in terms of a complete value chain, from the capture of renewable energy in Australia to the use of the energy in another country.  The overriding objective is to improve as many steps as possible so that Australian renewable energy can compete on total cost with conventional energy.

“Hydrogen production, conversion to a carrier or substance suitable for export, and transformation into energy at point-of-use are all stages in the supply chain that have significant scope for cost reductions. The capability to supply renewable hydrogen (or a related substance) at a competitive price is likely to drive further investment throughout the rest of the supply chain, including increased support for dedicated renewables for export.”
ARENA press release: “ARENA launches $20 million hydrogen funding round,” 12/20/2017

ARENA presented its 2017 Investment Plan in May and issued a Request for Information in September. This garnered “45 responses from a range of organisations and individuals with information on the renewable production of hydrogen, hydrogen fuel carriers and supply chains in Australia that make use of a carrier material to transport renewable fuel.”

Commenting on the renewable hydrogen funding round, ARENA Chief Executive Officer Ivor Frischknecht said that “Australia exports approximately three quarters of the energy it produces, in the form of coal and gas. Having some of the best solar and wind power resources in the world, Australia could become a superpower in exports of renewable energy, globally, leveraging existing relationships and growing global low carbon energy demand in countries such as Japan, South Korea and China.”

This theme was reinforced as part of Hyundai’s January 15 announcement that it will introduce its Nexo fuel cell vehicle in Australia in 2019. In the announcement, Hyundai Australia Future Mobility and Government Relations Manager Scott Nargar spoke about the Nexo’s catalytic potential:

“We’ve got guys working with CSIRO who built the world’s first [hydrogen] cracker where you have liquid ammonia going in and, through the CSIRO cracker, which is world-first technology, out comes pure hydrogen for cars.”

Nargar said other nations were already eyeing the process, which could offer “massive export opportunity”.

“The Korean government is very interested because they’re going to run 26,000 fuel cell buses,” Nargar said. “They need to buy their energy from somewhere in the world, [so] let’s make that green energy. Australia should be able to supply that energy in the form of green ammonia.”
Wheels: Hyundai’s Nexo hydrogen vision coming to Australia, 1/15/2018

Ammonia Energy has posted about the CSIRO cracker on several occasions, including in another “top ten” story.

ARENA’s renewable hydrogen funding round is seeking proposals that map onto Technology Readiness Levels (TRLs) 2 through 6.  In the agency’s schema (borrowed from the U.S. Department of Energy) TRL 2 involves formulation of a technology concept and/or application.  TRL 6 involves validation of a pilot-scale or prototypical system in a relevant environment.

The deadline for applications to the program is February 28, 2018.

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SA is going ahead with joining the HUGE Hydrogen Energy Revolution.



SA backs second renewables-to-gas hydrogen plant, in Tonsley
Sophie Vorrath 21 February 2018

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South Australia is set to host its second hydrogen production and distribution facility, with the construction of a 1.25MW Siemens electrolyser that will produce hydrogen using electricity from the grid and potentially on-site solar.

The $11.4 million project, announced on Wednesday by the Australian Gas Infrastructure Group (AGIG), will be built at the Tonsely Innovation Disctrict in Adelaide – the industrial suburb built around the former Mitsubishi car manufacturing plant.

It is not the only example of power to gas technology being developed in Australia, or in South Australia, for that matter.

Earlier this month, the SA government announced funding for a 15MW renewable-hydrogen electrolyser plant to be built near the end of the grid at Port Lincoln on the Eyre Peninsula,

The Port Lincoln facility – to be built by Hydrogen Utility (H2U), working with Germany’s thyssenkrupp – will include a 10MW hydrogen-fired gas turbine, fuelled by local wind and solar power, and a 5MW hydrogen fuel cell. It remains to be seen which SA project will be completed first.

And in the ACT back in 2016, Neoen and Megawatt Capital announced plans invest $55 million in partnership with Siemens and Hyundai to establish a 1.25MW hydrogen electrolyser, including a a hydrogen refuelling station and service centre and an initial fleet of 20 hydrogen fuelled cars, including a technical support and research program.


The news of the SA Tonsley project coincides with a separate announcement from Carnegie Clean Energy, of its own plans to transform the former Adelaide General Motors Holden factory into a solar and battery storage microgrid, with backing from the SA government.

And of course the South Australian government had a fairly major announcement of its own on Wednesday, revealing pre-election policy plans to boost its renewable energy target to 75 per cent by 2025, and to introduce the nation’s first “energy storage target” of 750MW by the same date.

The hydrogen produced by the Tonsley-based power-to-gas demonstration plant – to be known as Hydrogen Park SA (HyP SA) – will be injected into AGIG’s local gas network. intially to power the Tonsley Innovation District – but with the ability to supply a proposed residential development in the area and other remote customers through tube and trailer facilities.


As one of the first major demonstration of the technology, the facility is also expected to play a crucial role in showing how electrolysers can be integrated into electricity networks around the country, to support energy stability as more renewable energy generation capacity comes onto the grid.

Like the newly announced microgrid at the former Holden plant, the Hydrogen Park project has been awarded grant funding from the South Australian government – in this case, $4.9 million from the $150 million Renewable Technology Fund.

“We are delighted that South Australia will lead the way with this pioneering technology,” AGIG’s Andrew Staniford said on Wednesday.

“The project is expected to be the first in Australia where renewable electricity is stored and distributed in the gas network as hydrogen, providing an additional market for fluctuating renewable electricity and thereby also improving the economics of renewable electricity.

“And importantly, it propels South Australia’s status as a leader in renewable technology and a first mover in hydrogen,” Staniford said.

Jeff Connolly, CEO and chair of Siemens Australia said his company was excited to be a part of delivering “proven and world leading hydrogen technology” to Australia.

“It’s pleasing to see hydrogen become reality since we began driving this conversation in Australia only a few short years ago,” he said from the CEDA: Economic and Political Overview in Adelaide event in Adelaide on Wednesday.

“Reticulating hydrogen into the gas network supports de-carbonisation of the state.

“It also supports the development of a domestic market for hydrogen which I believe can lead to Australia becoming a renewable energy export superpower if we harness the untapped renewable assets of the country.”

Siemens’ electrolyser technology will use proton exchange membrane (PEM), which are designed to operate in highly variable conditions such as those created by renewable energy generation.

According to Siemens, PEM Electrolysers have a very fast start-up time and can quickly absorb excess renewable energy from a power system, converting water into hydrogen and oxygen.

“These utility scale electrolysers can, with surgical precision, be energized and de-energized in less than 10 seconds, capturing excess energy from the grid when energised,” Siemens said.


Essentially, it added, they play a demand side management role within the energy system, and may be used as a tool to keep the grid in balance.



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“This is about using inexpensive or free energy, which would otherwise be spilled to produce a clean form of stored energy that has many value streams – 100 per cent pure hydrogen, with the only by-product being 100 per cent pure oxygen.”

As Giles Parkinson noted earlier this month, hydrogen has often been dismissed as a viable technology because of the recent gains of electric vehicles and battery storage, but its proponents believe that it can create export industries to rival that of natural gas, and its added value chain can make it extremely valuable in the domestic market.

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Could. Maybe. In the future.

Whoosh EVs be commonplace by then.

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You are the c&p bot. Debate, that is what a discussion board is about!

Hydrogen cars will never take off.

What niche roles can hydrogen fill?

Electrolysis is an energy inefficient way to make hydrogen else it could be used to store excess renewable energy.
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Reply #55 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 11:25am
 
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Reply #56 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 11:42am
 
juliar wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 8:28am:
Unlike the dumb trolls SA can see the huge hydrogen energy export potential to Japan.

This exciting future energy story continues overleaf


That's funny socko. All of a sudden when you can use those "windmills" to produce hydrogen so you can ripoff the punters then all of a sudden those windmills are not such a bad idea. But if it's supplying energy directly to the grid to charge up a battery electric vehicle for example then those "windmills" are a very bad idea Cheesy LOL
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Trolls go and STALK someone else. The technical section is the last place on earth technically bereft types like you should be haunting.
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Mad Munk here is the perfect site for you to haunt  http://aussiepolitics.forumotion.com/f6-science-technology
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Reply #63 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 6:36am
 
Now the pundits are advising to buy fuel cell stocks while they are shorting the dismal Tesla stocks.

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Time to buy fuel cell stocks
By Brian Hicks Written Aug. 07, 2018

Two weeks ago, automobile maker Toyota made a major decision that will not just impact the future of the Japanese car giant, but could alter the global transportation and possibly the global energy market for years to come.

It will also positively impact investors in a small but quickly developing tech industry.

Toyota announced it is “doubling down on its investment in hydrogen fuel cell vehicles (FCV) designing lower-cost, mass-market passenger cars and SUVs and pushing the technology into buses and trucks to build economies of scale.”

Why is this so significant?  Easy.
With a market capitalization of nearly $200 billion and $266 billion in annual sales, Toyota is by far the largest automaker in the world.  In fact, no other automobile company comes close.


To put this in perspective, here are the market caps of some of the other top global automakers:
Company      Market Cap(billions)
General Motors      $53
Ford                      $40
BMW                     $54
Fiat-Chrysler         $26
Honda                  $55
Nissan                  $37
In terms of market valuation, Toyota is twice the size of the entire U.S. auto industry.


So when the king of the hill declares it’s going all in on hydrogen fuel cells as its future power source for its automobiles, you have to take notice. Period.

According to Toyota:
We’re going to shift from limited production to mass production, reduce the amount of expensive materials like platinum used in FCV components, and make the system more compact and powerful.

The company is planning a phased introduction of other FCV models, including a range of SUVs, pick-up trucks, and commercial trucks beginning around 2025.

Toyota sees hydrogen as the future fuel for the next 100 years.

What are the benefits of hydrogen fuel cells?
Several:
•      Impressive driving range
•      Clean energy (zero emissions)
•      Nearly limitless fuel source
•      Efficient (there are no moving parts in a fuel cell)
•      Renewable



Let me talk about the first benefit, driving range. Toyota intends to push the driving range of its fuel cell vehicle, the Mirai, to hit 1,000 kilometers by 2025. That’s a range of over 600 miles on a single tank.

One of the obstacles to mass adoption of electric vehicles like the Tesla and Chevy Volt is something known as “range anxiety.” In other words, Americans are concerned they’ll run out of a charge before making it to a charging station.

In my more youthful years, it was nothing for me to pack up my car and head to the Eastern Shore for the day. A one-way trip to Ocean City, Maryland, is 150 miles. If I came back that night, the round trip is 300 miles.

And, of course, there was no shortage of gas stations on the route. Filling my tank took less than five minutes.

For comparison, the Tesla Model S has a range of 270 miles on a single full charge. And charging it takes no less than 20 minutes.


The differences don’t end there.
Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe and stores more energy than a battery of equivalent weight.

This is one of the reasons the U.S. military is testing hydrogen fuel cells as its primary fuel source. It’s limitless, can power just about everything (not just vehicles), and is silent and gives off no heat signature, a major plus for the military, which relies on stealth.

As Toyota and the U.S. military continue to explore, develop, and adopt hydrogen fuel cells as their power source, you can expect hydrogen fuel cell stocks to come into focus by investors.

Hydrogen fuel cell stocks have a long history of boom and bust cycles. But just a casual glance at some of the more popular names in this space shows this industry is ripe for a breakout.

Toyota will be the spark that ignites the next rally.
In the coming weeks, we will show you exactly how to play the coming boom.

Until then,
Brian Hicks


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Reply #64 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:14am
 
The hydrogen future just seems to grow exponentially leaving the frustrated gullibles who wasted money on a range anxiety half day to refuel Tesla heap loaded with a lithium fire bomb looking for somewhere to dump their heap.



$20b Pilbara solar, wind farm backers eye local market
Peter MilneThe West Australian Tuesday, 1 May 2018 12:44PM

VIDEO: Pilbara’s $13.2 billion renewable energy project


An expanse of solar panels and wind turbines could export renewable energy to Indonesia.

Backers of a giant Pilbara wind and solar farm that will send electricity to Indonesia also want to power local industry and produce hydrogen through a 50 per cent capacity increase which bolsters the project’s budget to about $20 billion.

The Asian Renewable Energy Hub plans to install six gigawatts of wind generation, from about 1250 turbines, and 3GW of solar panels on a 6400sqkm East Pilbara site. The hub’s backers, wind farm investor CWP Energy Asia, privately owned Intercontinental Energy, and Danish wind turbine manufacturer Vestas, are targeting a final investment decision in 2020 or 2021.

The initial plan was to only send power to Java, Indonesia’s most populous island, through two high voltage direct current subsea cables.

AREH project director Alex Tancock said after the original announcement in November the Pilbara Development Commission helped the consortium understand the potential demand in the Pilbara.

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As well as sending our renewable energy to Indonesia, the Asian Renewable Energy Hub now wants to power local industries.

The extra generation could power mines, minerals processing or the splitting of water into hydrogen and oxygen using electrolysis. Hydrogen produced by renewable energy is attracting increasing interest as a greenhouse-friendly fuel.

CWP business development manager Andrew Dickson said exporting power would cost about $15 billion, including the subsea cables, and the domestic generation and overhead transmission lines about $5 billion.

Mr Dickson said the increasing size and capacity of wind turbines allowed the initial site to accommodate the expanded generation capacity.

“The 3GW capacity subsea cables to Java would export an average of 2.1GW over a year and 2GW of overhead transmission capacity would deliver an average of 1.2GW to the Pilbara,” he said.

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Reply #65 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:19am
 
So more RE being built that MAY involve electrolysis to generate hydrogen???

So hydrogen is not the fuel of the future, the sun is.
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Reply #66 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:26am
 
God that nauseating Mad Munk troll is polluting the joint with his attention seeking trash ALREADY.

There's no stopping the massive Hydrogen energy revolution now as it is advancing on many fronts.




Hydrogen plant plan for Burrup Peninsula
Peter LongPilbara News Thursday, 7 December 2017 9:46AM

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A kangaroo in front of the Yara TAN plant on the Burrup Peninsula.Picture: Tom Zaunmayr

In what promises to be a fantastic boost to our local economy in the long term, Yara Pilbara intends to construct a renewable hydrogen plant at its ammonia production facility on the Burrup Peninsular.

Hydrogen is an ingredient of ammonia, and Yara currently takes it from natural gas, which is energy-intensive and results in CO2 emissions.

However, hydrogen can also be made through electrolysis of water, which breaks down into its constituent parts — hydrogen and oxygen — when an electric current is passed through it. If the electricity is produced using the sun with photovoltaic cells, this clean, renewable electricity can produce clean, renewable hydrogen, and so clean, renewable ammonia forever.

Yara makes ammonia by combining hydrogen with nitrogen extracted from the atmosphere. The ammonia from Karratha is exported worldwide, where it is used mainly as a fertiliser, as well as many other uses.

The process is a renewable cycle as the nitrogen is returned to the soil for use by plants that release it again when they die, and the hydrogen returns as water.

The proposal is for a pilot renewable hydrogen plant and is planned to be operating by 2019. If the pilot plant works as intended, Yara will scale it up for future ammonia production.

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Reply #67 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:28am
 
The Asia renewable Hub is BIG.

VIDEO: Asia renewable Hub


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Hydrogen to purge domestic gas of impurities. Now if only the same process would purge the joint of trolls that don't have a clue.



Renewable hydrogen trial could help decarbonise Australian gas network
August 9, 2017 Energy Matters

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A new trial will see excess solar and wind power stored as renewable hydrogen and injected into Australia’s largest gas network.

With $5 million in funding from the Australian Renewable Energy Agency (ARENA), Wollongong-based company, AquaHydrex, has developed a new class of electrolyser to produce cheap renewable hydrogen by splitting water.

The trial involves injecting small amounts of hydrogen into the gas grid, a process called “power-to-gas”.

AquaHydrex born from homegrown research
AquaHydrex was founded in 2012 by scientists from the ARC Centre of Excellence for Electromaterials, University of Wollongong and Monash University.

The company’s new high-efficiency water electrolyzer makes the conversion of surplus clean electricity into renewable hydrogen commercially viable.

When hydrogen burns, it produces no carbon emissions, making it the perfect renewable substitute for gas.

“Hydrogen is an outstanding energy carrier,” said AquaHydrex Managing Director Paul Barrett. “[It] has the potential to connect the electricity and natural gas grids, significantly increasing the storage capacity available for renewable electricity and helping decarbonise the natural gas grid.”

The power-to-gas trial converts excess electricity into hydrogen and injects it into the mains gas pipeline. This provides long-term energy storage and stability as more solar and wind energy is added to the grid, according to ARENA.

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Renewable hydrogen will funnel into South Australia’s gas network, stabilising variable sources like the Clements Gap wind farm.

100 percent renewable hydrogen possible: ARENA chief
Australia’s gas network can support up to 100 percent hydrogen, but gas pipelines would need modification, said ARENA CEO Ivor Frischknecht.

“You can inject hydrogen into the gas main up to at least 10 per cent of the total gas in there,” ARENA CEO Ivor Frischknecht said.

Power to gas represented a vast, untapped potential to convert surplus renewable energy to hydrogen, Mr Frischknecht said.

“In the future, there will be increasing amounts of surplus renewable energy when it is sunny or windy.”

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Reply #69 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:45am
 
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Reply #70 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:48am
 
God that nauseating Mad Munk troll is STILL HERE polluting the joint with his attention seeking trash.

The rush to the fantastic MASSIVE Hydrogen Energy Revolution is accelerating.


CSIRO takes the wheel on cars powered by Aussie-made hydrogen
By Cole Latimer 8 August 2018 — 6:01am

CSIRO scientists have taken the wheel of the first vehicle to be powered by Australian-made ultra-high purity hydrogen created through the organisation’s membrane technology and now plan to increase production.

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CSIRO scientists take a hydrogen-powered car for a test drive. Photo: sUPPLIED

The CSIRO first launched its hydrogen fuel program late last year to support the development of the technology as a new energy export for Australia.

It invested around $7 million in creating a hydrogen-focused Future Sciences Platform.

This was soon followed by the launch of a $496 million project, backed by state and federal governments and a Japanese consortium, to convert Victoria’s brown coal into liquid hydrogen for export to Japan.

The latest development is a membrane technology that separates ultra-high purity hydrogen from ammonia, while blocking other gases, allowing it to be used a clean fuel source for vehicles.

“This links hydrogen production, distribution and delivery in the form of a modular unit that can be used at, or near, a refuelling station,” the CSIRO said.

“The newly developed technology has the potential to fill a gap in the supply chain. [This] provides an opportunity to decarbonise both the energy and transport sectors while creating new export opportunities.”

The fuel generated from this process was used to power a Toyota Mirai and Hyundai Nexo.

After the successful demonstration this week, the CSIRO will now look to increase the scale of hydrogen production.

“This is a watershed moment for energy, and we look forward to applying CSIRO innovation to enable this exciting renewably-sourced fuel and energy storage medium a smoother path to market,” Dr Marshall said.

Meanwhile, Energy company Origin unveiled an Australian first energy development, a large-scale battery storage unit twinned with a gas turbine.

The two work together to provide power during peak demand periods, with the battery pushing power into the system to balance the grid as the gas turbine starts up, after which the gas turbine then charges the battery. It also provides power to start up the gas turbine if a blackout occurs.

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Origin's Mt Stuart Gas plant, where it is building the Australian first dual battery and gas installation. Photo: Origin Energy

It will install the 4-megawatt, grid-scale battery at its Mt Stuart, 414-megawatt gas-fired power station in Townsville, in partnership with a Korean consortium led by Bosungpowertec.

“This will be the first time in Australia that a grid-scale battery has been connected to an open cycle gas turbine system and will not only create efficiencies but enable a reliable start-up in the event of a large scale power outage,” Origin executive general manager of energy supply, Greg Jarvis, said.

“Having a battery of this size means we’re able to store the energy needed to start the power station without the aid of the electricity from the transmission network should a loss of power occur due to an event like a cyclone.”

Installation and commissioning of the battery will be completed by May 2019.

There is currently only one other combined gas and battery unit in the world, located in California in the US.

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Gosh it is hard to keep up with the rapid advances in hydrogen technology.




Hydrogen-powered mobility edges closer with next-generation fuel cell systems
August 7, 2018, CORDIS

Hydrogen-powered mobility edges closer with next-generation fuel cell systems.

Scientists have made significant progress in the design of vital components used in hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. Improved features will lower production costs and help create a clean automotive future.


With hybrid and all-electric battery-powered cars now becoming mainstream, hydrogen's importance as a versatile, clean and safe energy carrier is increasingly recognised. Although its use in transport is gaining momentum, the current market share of fuel cell electric vehicles (FCEVs) is small due to high costs and efficiency problems. A group of experts is addressing this challenge as part of the EU-funded INN-BALANCE project. They have recently specified the interfaces between the crucial components of the FCEV technology to improve their design.

As stated in a press release on the project website, "important milestones have been reached regarding the definition of interfaces between components and the fuel cell stack as well as the design of the stack housing and the anode, cathode and the cooling modules."

These components are referred to as auxiliary components, or 'balance of plant' (BoP). They regulate the fuel cell system and manage the supply of hydrogen and air to the stack. "INN-BALANCE seeks to engineer various improvements at the BoP level with a special focus on manufacturing-oriented design. The aim is to lower the costs for the industrial production of fuel cell systems."

Quoted in the same press release, Jörg Weiss-Ungethüm from the German Aerospace Center, who is in charge of developing the cooling system, said the cooling module is used for the thermal management of the stack. This has a significant impact on the water management and is critical in terms of performance. In addition, the BoP components have to be kept at "optimal temperature and heat has to be supplied to the passenger cabin as needed."

Maximising output while minimising losses

The ongoing INN-BALANCE (INNovative Cost Improvements for BALANCE of Plant Components of Automotive PEMFC Systems) project also proposes an "integrated injector/ejector solution." This will maximise the power output from the stack while minimising hydrogen losses.

PEMFC stands for proton exchange membrane (PEM) fuel cell, also called polymer electrolyte membrane fuel cell. It's a type of acid-based fuel cell that uses the transport of protons from the anode to the cathode through a solid PEM. These fuel cells run at temperatures below 100 °C. Anode and cathode are the two electrodes in a battery or fuel cell, where the former is positively charged and the latter is negatively charged during electricity generation. Most fuel cells designed for use in vehicles produce less than 1.16 volts of electricity – far from enough to power a vehicle. Therefore, multiple cells must be assembled in a fuel cell stack.

In an FCEV, electrical energy that powers the electric motor to propel the vehicle is supplied through a chemical reaction that takes place between hydrogen and oxygen in the fuel cell. Converting hydrogen gas into electricity produces only water and heat as a by-product. If the hydrogen is being generated by a sustainable source, this means fuel cell vehicles could provide zero-emission transportation opportunities.

INN-BALANCE was set up to develop a novel and integrated platform for developing advanced BoP components in current fuel cell-based vehicles. This is aimed at improving their efficiency and reliability, reducing costs, and presenting a stable supply chain to the European car manufacturers and system integrators.



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Reply #72 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:58am
 
Everyman and his dog wants to get the new hydrogen powered cars which are a DIRECT replacement for the current petrol and diesel cars. Same range and same refuel time.

In Australia no normal straight person would waste their money on the useless dangerous gimmicky all electric heaps.





Will hydrogen-powered cars gradually become mainstream in Europe?
July 19, 2018, CORDIS

An EU initiative will deploy hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicles in three European capitals as taxis, private-hire and police cars. The move will accelerate their commercialisation and help realise emissions-free transport.

The role of fuel cell electric vehicles (FCEVs) in the transition to a clean, low-carbon energy system is increasingly recognised worldwide. Yet, their mass roll-out is still years away. This is not surprising because high costs, efficiency issues and the limited number of hydrogen refuelling stations (HRSs) affect the business case for their production and use on a large scale.

The EU-funded ZEFER project is addressing this challenge by introducing 180 FCEVs in Brussels, London and Paris. As explained in a press release on the project website, their regular use on a daily basis will create hydrogen demand from each vehicle roughly four times that of a normal privately owned car. "This will help to ensure high utilisation of the early networks of HRS which are already operating in each city." As a result, the economics of operating the stations will be improved and the uptake of FCEVs will speed up.

Business case for FCEVs

Project partners hope most of the vehicles will be deployed by the end of 2018. ZEFER predicts the FCEVs will cover a lot of ground. For Paris and Brussels, the estimate for mileages is over 90 000 km per year and for London 40 000 km. It will collect data on the vehicles as they make their rounds, and will also provide an analysis of the business cases and technical performance of the deployments.

Stored in vehicles in a tank just like petrol or diesel, hydrogen is utilised in an electrochemical energy conversion process with oxygen in fuel cells to generate electricity. This powers the electric motor to propel the FCEV. A similar electrochemical process is used to produce electricity from batteries. But while a battery will lose its charge over time, a fuel cell will continue to work so long as it has hydrogen and oxygen flowing into it.

Another advantage of hydrogen-powered cars is that they have a long range, over 480 km, with some in the market travelling up to 800 km or more on a single tank. They also charge faster than traditional battery-powered vehicles – the refuelling time is typically 3 minutes. Converting hydrogen gas into electricity produces only water and heat as a by-product. If the hydrogen is generated by renewable sources, FCEVs could provide zero-emission transportation opportunities.

The ongoing ZEFER (Zero Emission Fleet vehicles For European Roll-out) project was set up to demonstrate viable business cases for captive fleets of FCEVs in operations that can realise value from hydrogen vehicles. This could be done, for example, by intensive use of vehicles and HRSs, or by avoiding pollution charges in city centres with applications where the refuelling characteristics of FCEVs suit the duty cycles of the vehicles.



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Mainstream vehicles both small and large will obviously become hydrogen powered.




Why Toyota is doubling down on hydrogen fuel cell vehicles for its future
Alicja Siekierska August 7, 2018 5:00 AM EDT Last Updated August 7, 2018 5:00 AM EDT

Elon musk may call hydrgen technology 'dumb', but Toyota believes it's a better answer to the problems of distance and size of zero emission cars.

When Ontario Premier Doug Ford cancelled the province’s incentives for consumers who bought electric vehicles in July, executives at Toyota Canada weren’t upset.

“I wasn’t a big fan of the incentives,” vice-president of corporate strategy Stephen Beatty said in an interview with the Financial Post.

“If you build up consumer demand solely based on how many thousands of dollars the government can give you to encourage you to buy a car, that to me doesn’t sound like a terribly sustainable business model.”

Toyota has argued that a one-size-fits-all approach focusing on the sale of zero-emission vehicles — particularly on the sale of electric cars — misses the mark when it comes to reducing greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions.

In fact, while many automakers are following Telsa’s footsteps and investing heavily in launching new battery electric vehicles, Toyota has taken a different approach. The Japanese automaker is doubling down on hydrogen fuel cell vehicles — still a zero-emission electric vehicle, but one that is powered by the most abundant element on earth.


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Toyota is leaping ahead with its hydrogen power vehicles both small and LARGE leaving tesla in the dust with its cranky little heaps.



Toyota has unveiled the second iteration of its Project Portal hydrogen fuel cell electric Class 8 truck.
BY RACHEL EVANS ON AUGUST 7, 201

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Toyota reveals latest iteration of its hydrogen fuel cell electric truck

The capabilities of the new ‘Beta’ truck are said to significantly exceed that of the ‘Alpha’ demonstrator vehicle revealed in 2017, including increasing the estimated range to more than 300 miles per fill. Versatility and maneuverability have also been improved with the addition of a sleeper cab and a unique fuel cabinet combination that further increases cab space without increasing wheelbase.

For both the Beta and its predecessor, Ricardo assisted Toyota with much of the engineering. This included systems integration and packaging, including the fuel cells, power electronics, hydrogen tanks, cooling systems, batteries, electric motors and transmission.

Many of the ancillary systems that are traditionally driven by the engine were also electrified, including the air compressor, power steering and HVAC system, the controls of which required integration into the vehicle’s J1939 CANbus.

Crucially, both the Alpha and Beta vehicles were constructed by Ricardo at the workshops of its Detroit Technical Center in Bellville, Michigan.

With a gross combined weight capacity of 80,000 lb, the +670hp Alpha truck produced 1,325 lb/ft of torque from two Mirai fuel cell stacks and 12kWh of battery.

The Project Portal Beta vehicle maintains these torque and horsepower numbers while also extending the range of the vehicle by 50% to in excess of 300 miles between hydrogen refills.


“The Ricardo team is pleased to have been able to continue our successful collaboration with Toyota on the very important Project Portal heavy-duty zero emission fuel cell electric truck demonstration project,” commented Chris Brockbank, VP of vehicle engineering at Ricardo.

“The Beta Project Portal vehicle is an impressive advance over its Alpha predecessor, offering practical design improvements in addition to its very practical 300-plus mile range, which makes it a capable ZEV option for drayage operations.

“We look forward to working with Toyota in the completion of the real-world drayage testing, and to seeing the results of the project which, I believe, may well inform the future vision of heavy-duty transportation.”

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Australians are too smart to waste money on dead end range anxiety half day recharge all electric heaps carrying a dangerous lithium fire bomb and are preparing to go straight to the much better hydrogen powered cars and trucks and whatever else you can think of.




Hydrogen fuel breakthrough in Queensland could fire up massive new export market
Exclusive by Lexy Hamilton-Smith Updated about 10 hours ago

VIDEO: Filling up a hydrogen-powered car (ABC News)


RELATED STORY: Recycling solar promises 'green' hydrogen breakthrough
RELATED STORY: Why all the fuss about hydrogen cars?
RELATED STORY: CSIRO breakthrough could turn renewable hydrogen into export boom

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PHOTO: CSIRO researchers Michael Dolan (L) and David Harris are set to make history with these hydrogen-powered cars. (ABC News: Lexy Hamilton-Smith)

Two cars powered by hydrogen derived from ammonia will be tested in Brisbane today thanks to a Queensland breakthrough that CSIRO researchers say could turn Australia into a renewable energy superpower.

Key points:
Australian fuel could soon be in high demand for hydrogen-powered cars across Asia
It's the first time hydrogen cars have been powered with a fuel derived from ammonia
Both Toyota and Hyundai have invested millions of dollars into hydrogen-powered cars


CSIRO principal research scientist Michael Dolan said it was a very exciting day for a project that has been a decade in the making.

"We started out with what we thought was a good idea, it is exciting to see it on the cusp of commercial deployment," he said.

Tipped as the future of green motoring, hydrogen cars are virtually emissions-free and both simple and fast to refuel.
For the past decade, researchers have worked on producing ultra-high purity hydrogen using a unique membrane technology.

The membrane breakthrough will allow hydrogen to be safely transported and used as a mass production energy source.

"We are certainly the first to demonstrate the production of very clean hydrogen from ammonia," Dr Dolan said.

"Today is the very first time in the world that hydrogen cars have been fuelled with a fuel derived from ammonia — carbon-free fuel."


Program leader David Harris said Australia has a huge source of renewable energy — sunlight and wind — that can be utilised to produce hydrogen.

But the highly flammable element is difficult to ship long distances because of its low density.

CSIRO researchers found a way to turn Australian-made hydrogen into ammonia, meaning it could be shipped safely to the mass market of Asia.


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While longer and longer queues build up at the electric car chargers the hydrogen energy revolution just charges ahead with quick refuel and NO range anxiety and NO DANGEROUS LITHIUM FIRE BOMBS!!

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As any drongo could have predicted long queues will form at the very slow recharge points for the electric heaps.




Warehouse Forklifts Finally Give Hydrogen Power a Reason to Be
Joe Ryan and Chris Martin | Bloomberg News July 31, 2017 9:00 AM, EDT

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Hydrogen Powered Forklifts Plug Power Inc.

His tiny company, Plug Power Inc., makes hydrogen fuel cells, and for years he struggled to find customers. No longer. In April, Amazon.com Inc. agreed to try out the technology in forklift fleets at 10 of its warehouses. And in July, Wal-Mart Stores Inc. matched Amazon’s $600 million deal with a similar one, committing to double, to 58, the number of its warehouses that use forklifts running on Power Plug cells.

“Obviously, Wal-Mart sees it. Obviously, Amazon sees it,” says Marsh, Plug Power’s CEO. “When you have the two largest retailers saying, ‘This makes our business run better,’ that’s validation that this is here for the long run.”

Ever since a Swiss inventor named François Isaac de Rivaz built the first hydrogen-powered automobile in 1808, inventors and futurists have pinned their dreams and fortunes on the clean technology that converts water to energy. But hydrogen never caught on as a fuel, mainly because of its relatively high costs.

Now, thanks to the thriving warehouse networks of online and big-box retailers, hydrogen has found a place inside growing fleets of forklifts. The numbers work out: Although a forklift outfitted with a hydrogen fuel-cell pack costs up to $58,000 — about twice as much as one with a standard lead-acid battery — hydrogen models are 10 percent cheaper over the 10-year life span of an average forklift, according to a study by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory. (Plug says its cost advantage has improved further since the study.)

Charged in Minutes
That’s because they can be charged in minutes instead of hours, eliminating the labor cost of charging batteries, freeing up warehouse space and keeping goods flowing around the clock.

Hydrogen fuel cells produce power, and a little bit of water, when liquid hydrogen is pushed through a membrane that strips off electrons through an electrochemical process. Fewer than 3% of the more than 600,000 forklifts used in U.S. warehouses run on hydrogen, but that number is growing.

Toyota Motor Corp., the world’s largest forklift maker, is developing hydrogen-powered models and began using prototypes at one of its plants in Japan this year. Hyster-Yale Materials Handling Inc., another large forklift maker, bought Nuvera Fuel Cells in 2014 and has begun incorporating the technology into its products. “Lead-acid batteries have inefficiencies,” says Nuvera CEO Jon Taylor. “Fuel cells solve most of those shortfalls.”

Other fuel-cell companies, including Ballard Power Systems Inc. and Hydrogenics Corp., are pushing beyond forklifts, using hydrogen to power buses, delivery trucks and drone aircraft. In each of those markets, the vehicles return to a central depot for refueling, eliminating the need for a sprawling network of hydrogen stations.

Eureka Moment
Plug Power, founded in 1997, spent years casting about for the right market, including using fuel cells to generate electricity for homes and mobile-phone towers. Marsh’s eureka moment came in 2008, when a plain-spoken warehouse manager in Canada explained why forklifts were a good fit. Beyond saving time on recharges and space once used for spare batteries, hydrogen-powered forklifts don’t get sluggish inside arctic-cold freezer rooms or when their juice runs low.

None of that means it’ll be easy to unseat lead-acid batteries, which are durable, fully recyclable and have been powering forklifts since the days when most vehicles were drawn by horses. Another hurdle: A federal tax credit for fuel cells expired at the end of 2016 after Congress cut the technology from legislation designed to promote clean energy.

Still, Marsh says Plug Power is on track to increase its revenue this year and expects to turn a profit as early as next year. “People have talked for years about hydrogen fuel cells being the next disruptive technology,” says Jeffrey Osborne, an analyst at investment bank Cowen & Co. “Forklifts are finally validating them.

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The massive Toyota moves into the hydrogen energy revolution makes the gimmicky dangerous Tesla look like something you'd see in an auto museum.

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Toyota Plans Hydrogen Fuel Cell Plant at Long Beach
Kiyoshi Ota/Bloomberg News  Burney Simpson | Staff Reporter November 30, 2017 4:30 PM, EST

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Toyota Motor Corp. is building the first megawatt-scale carbonate fuel-cell power plant and hydrogen fueling station to support its operations at the Port of Long Beach, Calif. The facility will use biowaste from California’s farms to generate water, electricity and hydrogen.

The Tri-Gen power plant will generate 2.35 megawatts of electricity and 1.2 tons of hydrogen a day, making it capable of powering 2,350 homes and providing enough fuel for a day’s worth of driving for 1,500 fuel-cell cars. Scheduled to go live in 2020, the plant will become Toyota’s first facility in North America to use 100% renewable power.

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Together with FuelCell Energy, Toyota announces plans to build a megawatt-scale 100% renewable power & hydrogen generation station at the Port of Long Beach, CA. http://toyota.eng.mg/a62f0

The plant is designed to supply all Toyota fuel-cell vehicles moving through the port, including the Mirai sedan and the hydrogen fuel-cell powered Class 8 truck known as Project Portal. Toyota has put 4,000 testing miles on the Portal, and it is capable of hauling 80,000 pounds of freight.

The Tri-Gen plant will be installed and operated by FuelCell Energy, a global developer of megawatt-scale fuel-cell systems serving utilities, industrial and large municipal power users. FuelCell Energy’s system co-produces hydrogen and clean power from methane-based fuels such as renewable biogas.

The fueling station, built with Air Liquide, will be part of refueling operations at the port, and join 31 other retail hydrogen stations in California.

Fuel cells use a chemical reaction to convert a fuel source to electricity and heat. Fuel cells compete with batteries used to power electric cars, but do not need to be recharged. They have no moving parts, which contributes to relatively silent operation.

Hydrogen can be extracted from natural gas, petroleum products, coal and such renewables as solar, wind and biomass. More than 90% of the hydrogen produced in the United States is made from natural gas, according to the Fuel Cell & Hydrogen Energy Association.

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Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:19am:
So more RE being built that MAY involve electrolysis to generate hydrogen???

So hydrogen is not the fuel of the future, the sun is.


Yep but if that same RE energy is used to charge up Battery Electric cars then socko is dead against it. Go figure !!
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The technical ignorance of this troublesome troll is without limits.

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In England the swing over to hydrogen energy powered buses is already happening.



Can the low carbon economies of tomorrow really do without Hydrogen Fuel Cell technology?
James Gordon 04/05/2017

At first glance they couldn’t be more different – one is a global nexus for financial and professional services, where fortunes are won and lost in plush, air conditioned offices; the other a city which owes its wealth to the thousands of men and women who make a living extracting the ‘black gold’ deep beneath the icy cold, gunmetal-grey waters surrounding it.
But, while the lives of an offshore driller and a city trader couldn’t be more different, these two mercantile cities, which they have been drawn to, have much in common.

Take energy policy for example. While the North Sea oil beds still supply the UK with around 60 per cent of its oil and gas, a large proportion of which is used to supply the nation’s cars and buses, both Aberdeen and London are two urban centres firmly committed to a low carbon future.

But with electric and hybrid vehicles very much at the heart of a future low emissions landscape, in striving for a low carbon economies cities, both London and Aberdeen, have embraced an alternative zero emission technology. They have become trailblazers for hydrogen fuel cells vehicles.

Take Aberdeen for instance. It has the largest hydrogen-fuel cell bus fleet in Europe and the UK’s largest hydrogen production and bus refuelling station. But Scotland’s third city has been keen to expand this innovative zero emission hydrogen infrastructure and opened its second hydrogen refuelling station in February. And just last week, it announced that it would be doubling its hydrogen fuel-cell bus fleet with a further 10 buses. But, a spokeswoman for the council confirmed that no date has been set for the roll-out of the buses, which will supplied by Belgian manufacturer, Van Hool.

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Aberdeen busses

Astonishingly, since the UK£19 million Aberdeen Hydrogen Bus Project came into being in March, 2015, these ten archetypal white-roofed buses have ferried nearly 600,000 passengers around the city covering 440,000 miles in the process.

The buses, the majority of which travel on the X17 and X40 routes, are a riot of blue and green. The ten buses, which are operated by Stagecoach UK (six buses) and First Group UK (four buses) may look the same as their conventionally-powered counterparts, but there are some differences.

Stagecoach UK Bus Engineering Director Sam Greer says "As with many other modern buses, hydrogen vehicles provide a very comfortable journey for the passenger with smooth braking and acceleration. Probably the biggest difference for customers is not hearing the engine sound they'll be used to when travelling on most other buses."

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And, First Aberdeen Commercial Manager Daniel Laird, adds, “The hydrogen vehicles are an important part of our drive to introduce cleaner vehicles, improve fuel efficiency, reduce emissions and improve air quality.

“The (Aberdeen) hydrogen buses project demonstrates the potential for zero carbon transport and we’re pleased that participation in the project is gathering vital data to aid in the development of new vehicle technologies.”

A London bus route offering the world an exciting glimpse of the future…

Nearly 650 kilmetres south of the Granite City, in London, eight red single-decker buses, operating on the RV1 route, which takes in many of the capital’s most iconic landmarks including Covent Garden and Tower Bridge, are also using hydrogen-fuel cell technology.

And with the UK government announcing a new UK£23 million fund to increase hydrogen vehicle and infrastructure last month, coupled with London’s Mayor, Sadiq Khan, vowing to rid London of all diesel fuelled buses by 2018, we could see around 300 zero emission buses by 2020 – some of which will be powered by hydrogen.

But it is not just environmentally-minded British cities that are embracing zero emission fleets. Further afield, large American cities including New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco (1)  have also pledged to cleanse their cities of diesel propelled buses by 2020, while Paris, Madrid and Mexico City will decommission theirs by 2025 (2).

Potential infrastructure roadblocks…

However, there are barriers to entry which threaten the emergence of hydrogen as a credible and commercially viable fuel source – especially for passenger vehicles. Globally, the high cost of materials required to make fuel-cells, and a lack of hydrogen fuel station infrastructure needs to be urgently addressed if the technology is to be universalised.

There is a long way to go. According to figures provided by the Society of Motor Manufacturers (SMMT), 2,603,867 conventional fuelled vehicles and 10,264 pure battery electric vehicles were sold in the UK last year.  However, astonishingly just 10 hydrogen fuel cell cars (4) were registered in United Kingdom in 2016.

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Reply #83 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:47am
 
In the frozen frigid Scandinavia they are too smart to bother with the dead end all electric toy cars and are going for the much bigger hydrogen energy revolution.

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Tesla burns to a crisp at a supercharger in Norway



5 Key Benefits of Hydrogen Buses for Scandinavian Transit. Clean Energy Fuel Cell Electric Buses.
Article by Nicolas Pocard Sep. 11, 2017

Scandinavia has led the world with sustainable practices for generations. Now, more than ever, this commitment is generating tremendous interest from other jurisdictions as the region strives to create a transport system free from reliance on fossil fuels.

Recently, Denmark, Sweden, and Norway have pledged to tackle fossil fuel use by setting and meeting ambitious clean energy goals in alignment with targets set at the Paris accord.

Denmark alone has pledged to be 100 percent dependent on renewable energy by 2035 and fossil fuel-free by 2050. Similarly, Sweden is aiming for complete renewable energy reliance by 2040. Norway's National Transport Plan states that all new cars, buses, and light commercial vehicles manufactured after 2025 should be zero-emission.

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These are impressive and inspiring goals - and the world will follow these ambitions.

However, even though electric vehicles have achieved significant market penetration in Scandinavia, most vehicles and buses still run on fossil fuels.

Therefore, if the region is to meet its clean energy goals, it needs to create a significant shift in the types of vehicles allowed on the roads and the energy used to fuel them - and the shift needs to happen quickly. 

Fuel Cell Buses Can Solve Scandinavia’s Clean Transport Challenges
Switching to fuel cell buses would have a massive impact on reducing fossil fuel use in the public transportation sector. However, many cities and bus operators struggle with shifting to zero-emission public transport because they’re concerned service levels and operational flexibility will suffer.

Fortunately, there is a wealth of evidence that proves there is no cause for concern.

Fuel cell electric buses have over 15 years on the road in diverse environments; many are similar to those in Scandinavia. They have travelled more than 11 million kilometers, and have been proven to meet all the needs of transit operators around the world. From the hot deserts of Palm Springs, California to the winter mountain conditions of Whistler, Canada.

Furthermore, these buses are already deployed and operational in many EU cities including Oslo, Norway, Aberdeen, Scotland, London, UK, Cologne and Hamburg in Germany.

The technology is mature, and now offers concrete benefits for regions like Scandinavia who are leading the transportation sector revolution. 


5 Reasons Hydrogen Powered Fuel Cell Buses Are The Ideal Solution

1. Maintenance and service capabilities are already in place.
The Ballard Europe service team is well established and stationed in Denmark, allowing for efficient repairs and service on fuel cell bus fleets throughout the European Union.

Beyond servicing and repairing the buses, the team actively gathers data that it shares with transit agencies to help them continually improve the buses’ performance in these unique environments.

2. Fuel cell electric buses have high daily ranges and route flexibility.

Hydrogen fuel cell buses can run for 450 kilometers during any given 18-hour shift. If the range requirement is farther, that’s not a problem as it only takes 10 minutes to refuel.

This is the same performance of traditional diesel-powered buses.

In addition, fuel cell range capability means bus routes don't need to be altered. When you combine this with the savings associated with the expensive en-route charging infrastructure required by 100 percent battery powered buses you have a compelling story to tell.

3. Hydrogen buses have a demonstrated history of meeting performance requirements.

Fuel cell buses perform just as well as diesel in terms of their availability, acceleration and gradeability.

Furthermore, they operate well in cold climates, which is imperative for Scandinavian winters. Hydrogen powered buses aren't dependent on the slow charging times and reduced outputs of 100 percent battery configurations in cold weather.

Another advantage is that water and heat are the only two byproducts of fuel cells. In the winter, the heat can be used to warm the passenger compartment, eliminating the need for separate diesel heaters.

4. Hydrogen refueling infrastructure is already built and operational.

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h2-logic-refuelling-station

Scandinavia is a world leader in the installation of hydrogen refueling infrastructure.


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Even in frigid frozen Iceland they are going to join the hydrogen energy revolution.

One bloke there even suggested his ideal car would start on electric and switch over to hydrogen for long trips.





Hydrogen to Be Produced in Iceland
News | Morgunblaðið | Tue 31 Jul 2018 | 13.45 GMT

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Hydrogen will be produced by the Hellisheiði Geothermal Power Plant. mbl.is/Golli

The Icelandic power company ON Power (Orka náttúrunnar) will begin the production of hydrogen at the end of August, as part of a European project, Morgunblaðið reports.

An electrolyzer  has been purchased and is being installed by Hellisheiði Geothermal Power Plant in Southwest Iceland.

Sale of hydrogen for vehicles could begin as early as October.

Two other Icelandic companies, Orkan, owned by Skeljungur hf., and Icelandic New Energy, participate in the project. Orkan opened two hydrogen stations earlier this summer. Until ON Power starts its sale,  imported hydrogen will be used at those stations.

The electrolyzer to be used has the capacity to produce enough hydrogen for all hydrogen-powered cars in use in the country already, in addition to five hydrogen-powered buses, to be taken into use by the end of next year.

Bjarni Már Júlíusson, CEO of ON Power, states that the idea is to produce the hydrogen by the geothermal power plant and to distribute it in bottles to prevent any loss in transport. The hydrogen will be produced at one location and delivered at two to three stations.

The project’s startup cost is funded by European grants, in addition to a ISK 100 million (USD 949,000, EUR 810,000) coming from ON Power. Bjarni does not expect the operation to be profitable at first, but notes he hopes that a successful market will be established for clean Icelandic energy in the future.

ON Power has set up charging stations for electric vehicles around the country. When asked if hydrogen will be competing with those stations, Bjarni denies that.

In his opinion, a dream car for Iceland would be one  powered by electricity, but able to switch over to hydrogen during longer trips.

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Reply #85 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:49am
 
So how do you propose to get the hydrogen juliar.
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BH, Gawd strewth! Haven't you been reading the massive amount of factual research i have gathered ?

The hydrogen can be obtained by electrolysis of water or by splitting off from methane or by extracting it from brown coal as is being proposed in Vic.

As Hydrogen is difficult to transport the CSIRO has worked out how to combine the H with N to produce NH3 ammonia which is quite easy to transport. Then a new CSIRO invention can split the H away from the ammonia.

The electrolysis method is quite attractive to be powered by renewable rubbish as the electrolyser is quite tolerant of the wild erratic unstable output of the renewable rubbish.

The CSIRO recently test drove hydrogen cars with hydrogen they had produced.

As an aside an electrolyser actually produces H and O which is the HHO gas that can be used in car engines.

This HHO gas is dangerous and cannot be compressed as it would explode. So only the H is collected from the electrolyser but the O can be separately collected.

The hydrogen energy revolution is HUGE and dwarfs the little dead end electric cars.
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juliar wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 11:56am:
BH, Gawd strewth! Haven't you been reading the massive amount of factual research i have gathered ?

The hydrogen can be obtained by electrolysis of water or by splitting off from methane or by extracting it from brown coal as is being proposed in Vic.

As Hydrogen is difficult to transport the CSIRO has worked out how to combine the H with N to produce NH3 ammonia which is quite easy to transport. Then a new CSIRO invention can split the H away from the ammonia.

The electrolysis method is quite attractive to be powered by renewable rubbish as the electrolyser is quite tolerant of the wild erratic unstable output of the renewable rubbish.

The CSIRO recently test drove hydrogen cars with hydrogen they had produced.

As an aside an electrolyser actually produces H and O which is the HHO gas that can be used in car engines.

This HHO gas is dangerous and cannot be compressed as it would explode. So only the H is collected from the electrolyser but the O can be separately collected.

The hydrogen energy revolution is HUGE and dwarfs the little dead end electric cars.



As Hydrogen is difficult to transport the CSIRO has worked out how to combine the H with N to produce NH3 ammonia which is quite easy to transport. Then a new CSIRO invention can split the H away from the ammonia.

Ammonia formation has been known for centuries.
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juliar wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 11:56am:
BH, Gawd strewth! Haven't you been reading the massive amount of factual research i have gathered ?

The hydrogen can be obtained by electrolysis of water or by splitting off from methane or by extracting it from brown coal as is being proposed in Vic.

As Hydrogen is difficult to transport the CSIRO has worked out how to combine the H with N to produce NH3 ammonia which is quite easy to transport. Then a new CSIRO invention can split the H away from the ammonia.

The electrolysis method is quite attractive to be powered by renewable rubbish as the electrolyser is quite tolerant of the wild erratic unstable output of the renewable rubbish.

The CSIRO recently test drove hydrogen cars with hydrogen they had produced.

As an aside an electrolyser actually produces H and O which is the HHO gas that can be used in car engines.

This HHO gas is dangerous and cannot be compressed as it would explode. So only the H is collected from the electrolyser but the O can be separately collected.

The hydrogen energy revolution is HUGE and dwarfs the little dead end electric cars.



Isn't HHO gas just water vapour?
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BH,

you are not concentrating.

The CSIRO is concentrating on producing hydrogen for export to Japan and it is a 2 stage process - first combine the H with N to form ammonia and it is transported as ammonia.

Second now the new discovery by the CSIRO is a membrane that will allow the hydrogen to be separated from the ammonia.


The HHO was only a matter of interest. An electrolyser will separate the water H2O into H2 and O.

If the H2 and O are mixed it will be as a gas known as HHO which is very explosive and can be used in a car by adding it to the input air stream where it will boost horsepower and reduce emissions due to more complete burning.

As the HHO gas is so explosive it cannot be compressed into a tank as it will explode.

This is why it is very important not to let oxygen get into a tank full of hydrogen. It is speculated that leaking hydrogen compartments in the Heidenberg allowed oxygen to mix with the hydrogen which went up like a beauty.
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Reply #90 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 2:23pm
 
You really are painting a picture of hydrogen as a niche fuel. Stuff like buses and forklifts, yeah. Cars, nah. If fossil fuels are used to make the H2 why bother?
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STALK STALK STALK

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You ALWAYS respond  Smiley

I read the crap you c&p, comment on it and you rave on about trolls. If I attacked you personally then you could call me troll but I comment on the crap you post.
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TALK STALK STALK

This dumb troll coot hasn't got a clue about the topic so just posts trash in the futile hope of getting a response.

Will never learn because the dumb coot is too dumb to understand the factual technical articles.
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Oh, I think I understand them pretty well. They confirm that what have been posting is pretty correct.

How much investment is needed to produce H2 in a green method (else why bother?) Then HM is needed to set up production, then the chargers all over the place, then the facilities for mass producing hydrogen cars then making the cars?

All that to catch up to where EVs are today—but they will be way in front of where the hydrogen cars, if any really get produced, will be at by this stage.
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juliar wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 2:19pm:
BH,

you are not concentrating.

The CSIRO is concentrating on producing hydrogen for export to Japan and it is a 2 stage process - first combine the H with N to form ammonia and it is transported as ammonia.

Second now the new discovery by the CSIRO is a membrane that will allow the hydrogen to be separated from the ammonia.


The HHO was only a matter of interest. An electrolyser will separate the water H2O into H2 and O.

If the H2 and O are mixed it will be as a gas known as HHO which is very explosive and can be used in a car by adding it to the input air stream where it will boost horsepower and reduce emissions due to more complete burning.

As the HHO gas is so explosive it cannot be compressed into a tank as it will explode.

This is why it is very important not to let oxygen get into a tank full of hydrogen. It is speculated that leaking hydrogen compartments in the Heidenberg allowed oxygen to mix with the hydrogen which went up like a beauty.



HHO is just H2O you idiot.
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juliar wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 2:19pm:
BH,

you are not concentrating.

The CSIRO is concentrating on producing hydrogen for export to Japan and it is a 2 stage process - first combine the H with N to form ammonia and it is transported as ammonia.

Second now the new discovery by the CSIRO is a membrane that will allow the hydrogen to be separated from the ammonia.


The HHO was only a matter of interest. An electrolyser will separate the water H2O into H2 and O.

If the H2 and O are mixed it will be as a gas known as HHO which is very explosive and can be used in a car by adding it to the input air stream where it will boost horsepower and reduce emissions due to more complete burning.

As the HHO gas is so explosive it cannot be compressed into a tank as it will explode.

This is why it is very important not to let oxygen get into a tank full of hydrogen. It is speculated that leaking hydrogen compartments in the Heidenberg allowed oxygen to mix with the hydrogen which went up like a beauty.



HHO is just H2O you idiot.


i think what was meant the H2 and O2 in the same place will lead to the production of H2O and a big release of energy (explosion). HHO is H2O after the burn. It is H2 and O2 before the burn.
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HHO apprears not to be a compound but a notation (that is confusing at the least) but refers to the ratio of H and O that matches water, 2:1

Oxyhydrogen is a mixture of hydrogen (H2) and oxygen (O2) gases. This gaseous mixture is used for torches to process refractory materials and was the first[1] gaseous mixture used for welding. Theoretically, a ratio of 2:1 hydrogen:oxygen is enough to achieve maximum efficiency; in practice a ratio 4:1 or 5:1 is needed to avoid an oxidizing flame.[2]

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Just to explain what HHO GAS is as it is a mystery to the uninitiated - when an electrolyser splits water into H and O the 2 gases form around each electrode and bubble to the surface.

Now the two gases can be separately collected as the commercial units do to get pure H2 and the O may be collected separately or exhausted to the air.

In a car engine electrolyser the H2 and O are collected together as a gas which is called HHO and is very explosive and this gas is injected into the car engine air inlet.

HHO is very much a GAS and most certainly is NOT WATER. It can be ignited (with great care) and burns with a clear flame which can cut steel yet doesn't hurt a hand.

In a car installation blowback protection must be provided so if there is a backfire the electrolyser won't explode.

This is the actual electrolysis process splitting water into H2 and O GAS.
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This is how a car engine setup works. The HHO gas is fed into the air inlet.
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HHO GAS is also known as Brown's gas and was used in war time to fuel cars from a charcoal burner.

HHO GAS is very explosive and CANNOT be safely compressed as it will explode.

To reiterate HHO is a GAS and NOT liquid WATER.

When HHO gas is ignited it returns to liquid water.
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Japan is not mucking around and is getting right into the next hydrogen energy revolution.

And they will be looking to import hydrogen from Australia.





Construction begins on large hydrogen plant in Fukushima
AUG 9, 2018

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Japan’s New Energy and Industrial Technology Development Organization and other organizations said Thursday they have started construction of what will be one of the world’s largest hydrogen plants in Fukushima Prefecture.

The others members of the project are Toshiba Corp.’s Toshiba Energy Systems & Solutions Corp. unit, Tohoku Electric Power Co. and Iwatani Corp.

Hydrogen generated at the plant in the town of Namie will be used for fuel-cell vehicles and other purposes during the 2020 Tokyo Olympics and Paralympics.

The plant will use up to 10,000 kilowatts of power generated from sunlight and other sources to extract up to 900 tons of hydrogen each year from water for storage and supply.

Test operations will start by July 2020 to check and examine technological issues.

Fukushima Governor Masao Uchibori said the plant will be an important foothold to display progress in his prefecture’s reconstruction following the 2011 earthquake, tsunami and nuclear accident.

“We’ll continue efforts so that hydrogen can be used in a wide variety of fields starting from the Tokyo Olympics and Paralympics,” he said.

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Now UK is jumping onto the world wide Hydrogen Energy Revolution.




Hydrogen cars, buses - even bin lorries and trains - could be coming soon to Teesside
By Kelley Price 13:12, 9 AUG 2018 UPDATED13:23, 9 AUG 2018

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Chris Beck, left, with Tees Valley Mayor Ben Houchen at TWI

The campaign to make Teesside a UK hydrogen “powerhouse” has taken a step forward.

A major scheme that could see cars, buses, bin lorries - and even trains - powered by the emission-free “super fuel” has been handed £220,000.


The hydrogen industry could add up to £7bn to the region’s economy between 2018 and 2050 and create around 1,000 jobs.

If successful, the cash could help unlock a further £40m to develop new refuelling stations across Teesside.

Teesside already produces HALF of the UK’s hydrogen and uses it for industrial purposes.

Under plans being drawn up by Tees Valley Mayor Ben Houchen and the Tees Valley Combined Authority, an initial bid to bring a fleet of hydrogen road vehicles and new refuelling infrastructure to the region will be submitted to Government’s Office for Low Emission Vehicles.

The Mayor signed off £140,000 to develop the bid and also secure a partnership with Middlesbrough-based engineering firm TWI.

The company has also pledged £80,000 to bring “unparalleled expertise” to the region, needed to develop the area’s hydrogen economy.

Teesside’s case for a UK hydrogen powerhouse was taken to Westminster last month.

Redcar Labour MP Anna Turley says the green fuel could be powering Britain, heating thousands of homes and safeguarding and creating thousands of “high quality” jobs.

She has set up an All-Party Parliamentary Group on Hydrogen.

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Redcar MP Anna Turley (Image: Parliament.tv)

Plans are already under way by Northern Gas Networks, to pump hydrogen produced on Teesside to Leeds to heat and power homes there.


Currently, over 30% of all UK carbon emissions come from domestic heating and cooking.

A UK-wide conversion to hydrogen would reduce heat emissions by a minimum of 73%.

Mr Houchen said: “Creating the jobs of tomorrow means investing in the right technology today. We already produce 50% of the UK’s hydrogen, so properly utilising it will allow us to keep manufacturing jobs in the Tees Valley and build on the global drive to cut carbon emissions, rather than be held back by it.

“This investment means will help us to put the Tees Valley on the map for hydrogen, not just in the UK but globally.”

Chris Beck, TWI’s strategic fund manager, said: “We’re confident that hydrogen will play a key part in the development of the region for years to come, and we are excited to be involved in shaping the future of energy and the Tees Valley economy.

“Our history in power generation and hydrogen research shows our experience in the sector.

“The backing to attract unparalleled expertise to the area will give us the resources and capacity to put our skills into action.”

A draft report commissioned by Combined Authority and produced by KPMG on exploiting the opportunities of the hydrogen economy suggested it could add to £7bn to the region’s economy between 2018 and 2050, creating up to 1,000 jobs.

The campaign already has the backing of major UK gas networks - Northern Gas Networks, Cadent, Southern Gas Networks, Wales & West Utilities and trade unions representing gas industry workers - GMB and Unison.

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Yeh but what if the punters don't want to get ripped off at the hydrogen fool bowser ? Can they make their hydrogen at home ? No but they can make their electricity at home to charge up their battery electric car Wink LOL
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STALK STALK STALK

This dumb troll coot hasn't got a clue about the topic so just posts trash in the futile hope of getting a response.

Will never learn because the dumb coot is too dumb to understand the factual technical articles.
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juliar wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 9:04am:
Just to explain what HHO GAS is as it is a mystery to the uninitiated - when an electrolyser splits water into H and O the 2 gases form around each electrode and bubble to the surface.

Now the two gases can be separately collected as the commercial units do to get pure H2 and the O may be collected separately or exhausted to the air.

In a car engine electrolyser the H2 and O are collected together as a gas which is called HHO and is very explosive and this gas is injected into the car engine air inlet.

HHO is very much a GAS and most certainly is NOT WATER. It can be ignited (with great care) and burns with a clear flame which can cut steel yet doesn't hurt a hand.

In a car installation blowback protection must be provided so if there is a backfire the electrolyser won't explode.

This is the actual electrolysis process splitting water into H2 and O GAS.
http://hydroxsystems.com/userfiles/editor/image/hho%20electrolysis.jpg


This is how a car engine setup works. The HHO gas is fed into the air inlet.
https://s15.postimg.cc/gqhy2eovv/75cbf70649d404a8ecbbeae2a682c81c.jpg


HHO GAS is also known as Brown's gas and was used in war time to fuel cars from a charcoal burner.

HHO GAS is very explosive and CANNOT be safely compressed as it will explode.

To reiterate HHO is a GAS and NOT liquid WATER.

When HHO gas is ignited it returns to liquid water.




Thus the HHO part is a bit a misnomer. What it actually is H2 gas and O2 gas in a 2:1 ratio.


I also note


Brown's gas has become associated with various exaggerated claims.[17][18] It's also called "HHO gas" after the claims of fringe physicist[19] Ruggero Santilli, who claims that his HHO gas, produced by a special apparatus, is "a new form of water", with new properties, based on his fringe theory of "magnecules".[18] ("MagneGas" or "MagneHydrogen") .

Many other pseudoscientific claims have been made about Brown's gas's pretended ability to neutralize radioactive waste, help plants to germinate, etc.[18]

Oxyhydrogen is often mentioned in conjunction with vehicles that claim to use water as a fuel. The most common and decisive counter-argument against producing this gas on board to use as a fuel or fuel additive is that more energy is needed to split water molecules than is recouped by burning the resulting gas.[17][20] Additionally, the volume of gas that can be produced for on-demand consumption through electrolysis is very small in comparison to the volume consumed by an internal combustion engine.[21]

An article in Popular Mechanics reported that Brown's gas does not increase the fuel economy in automobiles.[22]

"Water-fueled" cars should not be confused with hydrogen-fueled cars, where the hydrogen is produced elsewhere and used as fuel or where it is used as fuel enhancement.
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BH, everyone has seen the stuff you quote.

But unless you have had ACTUAL EXPERIENCE with this stuff it will remain a mystery.

To give you a tiny glimpse of what happens in a petrol engine with HHO gas added to the air intake.

The HHO gas increases the speed of the combustion process and results in faster and more complete burning. The steam released cleans the cylinder walls.

What escapes most unfamiliar critics is that the HHO gas acts as a catalyst to improve the combustion of petrol and reduces emissions and increases horsepower.

Engine timing usually has to be altered and the amount of HHO needs to be determined experimentally.  For 5L V8 about 2 liters/min seems to work OK.

It is much easier to add HHO to a carburetor than to fuel injection because the computer detects the additional oxygen in the exhaust and compensates the wrong way and so this has to be compensated for.

One way for fuel injection is to ONLY use the Hydrogen but this has lower energy than the full HHO gas.

HHO is easier to say than Brown's Gas or Hydroxy Gas.

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The steam released will cause rust, water seeping into the oil in the crankcase etc.

Just a bit of hydrogen will do.
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juliar wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:10am:
BH, everyone has seen the stuff you quote.

But unless you have had ACTUAL EXPERIENCE with this stuff it will remain a mystery.

To give you a tiny glimpse of what happens in a petrol engine with HHO gas added to the air intake.

The HHO gas increases the speed of the combustion process and results in faster and more complete burning. The steam released cleans the cylinder walls.

What escapes most unfamiliar critics is that the HHO gas acts as a catalyst to improve the combustion of petrol and reduces emissions and increases horsepower.

Engine timing usually has to be altered and the amount of HHO needs to be determined experimentally.  For 5L V8 about 2 liters/min seems to work OK.

It is much easier to add HHO to a carburetor than to fuel injection because the computer detects the additional oxygen in the exhaust and compensates the wrong way and so this has to be compensated for.

One way for fuel injection is to ONLY use the Hydrogen but this has lower energy than the full HHO gas.

HHO is easier to say than Brown's Gas or Hydroxy Gas.




Can I wait for the peer reviewed research?
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BH you can wait for a bus if you like. I am not trying to convince you of anything merely explaining the technical facts.
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Well technical something anyway.
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While the dead end all electric toy car industry stagnates with nowhere to go the BIG BOY on the block is just starting to emerge as simply gigantic.

The HUGE Hydrogen Energy Revolution offers endless opportunities for all sorts of transport including cars, trucks, buses, railways and energy export to Asia which is already going for the convenience and flexibility of hydrogen in a big way.

The dead end very inconvenient and impractical tiny all electric cars are just dangerous gimmicks for geeks loaded with lithium fire bombs - when will your Tesla coffin car complete with crematorium send you to the promised land in a fiery explosion ?


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Another Tesla S goes to the car junkyard where they all will eventually end up as hydrogen takes over.




Blueprint Prepared for Australia's Hydrogen Trade
BY MAREX 2018-08-22 20:33:32

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Australia has the potential for an economically-sustainable hydrogen industry, according to a blueprint released by national science agency CSIRO.

Hydrogen is a clean-burning fuel with a range of uses from powering vehicles to storing energy, and if produced using low-emissions energy sources, it could facilitate decarbonization across the energy and industrial sectors.

The Roadmap indicates that hydrogen technologies are reaching maturity, with the narrative now shifting from R&D to market activation. By around 2025, clean hydrogen could be cost-competitive with existing industrial feedstocks such as natural gas and energy carriers such as batteries in many applications. The Roadmap states that an appropriate policy framework could create market pull for hydrogen, with investment in infrastructure then likely to follow.

Australia has long been dependent on imported liquid fuels and is currently not meeting domestic fuel reserve targets. Hydrogen could play a key role in protecting Australia from supply shocks by localizing liquid fuel supplies (e.g. by producing synthetic fuels) or by displacing their use in both stationary and transport applications. Hydrogen could also help manage the transition to a higher proportion of variable renewable electricity in the electricity network by overcoming challenges associated with energy intermittency.

Additionally, hydrogen presents a new export opportunity for Australia and could play a significant role in enabling the further uptake of renewable energy. CSIRO Chief Executive Dr. Larry Marshall said: "Australia has a unique and urgent opportunity to turn significant natural resources, including coal, gas, and renewables like solar and wind energy, into a low-emissions energy product and ship it around the world – in some cases literally exporting Aussie sunshine.”


Australia has a history of exporting its natural resources. However, some of these markets, for example uranium, have suffered downturns as a consequence of a changing energy mix abroad. Others such as thermal coal, could be at risk in the future if global trends continue to lead towards a low carbon economy.

In contrast, the global market for hydrogen is expected to reach $155 billion by 2022, with a number of Australia’s existing trading partners, such as Japan, who are comparatively resource constrained, currently implementing policy commitments for hydrogen imports and use. The Australian Renewable Energy Agency (ARENA) has already announced A$1.5 million ($1.1 million) to fund Australia’s first green hydrogen innovation hub at Jandakot in Western Australia with an eye for the Japanese market.

Potential demand for imported hydrogen in China, Japan, South Korea and Singapore could reach in the order of 3.8 million tons in 2030. Commercial scale production of hydrogen from brown coal in Victoria is likely to be available after 2030, so the majority of prior demand is expected to be met by electrolysis coupled with dedicated renewables or grid connected electricity.

Hydrogen may be produced via two mature pathways:

Thermochemical: Uses a fossil fuel feedstock to produce hydrogen. This process must be paired with carbon capture and storage to produce clean hydrogen. Mature technologies include steam methane reforming which relies on natural gas as an input and coal gasification

Electrochemical: Involves the use of an electrical current to split water into hydrogen and oxygen. This process requires the use of low or zero emissions electricity to produce clean hydrogen. Mature technologies include polymer electrolyte membrane and alkaline electrolysis.

Selection of the most appropriate storage technology represents a trade-off between the quantity of hydrogen, storage footprint (e.g. tank size) and energy usage.

Compression of gaseous hydrogen generally represents the most attractive option for stationary storage given the comparatively lower cost and greater availability of space.

Other storage technologies including liquefaction and material carriers such as ammonia. Hydrogen can be transported via truck, rail, ship and pipeline using these storage techniques.

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Bought a hydrogen car yet socko Cheesy LOL
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That unbelievable silly dumb troll just keeps on trying to get noticed. Such trollish behavior. Who would bother responding to the silly technically obtuse tripe from a drongo like that ?
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Well have you ? Cheesy LOL
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Have you ordered one yet ? Must be quite a backlog of non existent orders for the non existent hydrogen cars and non existent hydrogen fool bowsers Cheesy LOL Contrast that to the Tesla Model 3 Cheesy LOL
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Ignoring the unhinged monkey chatter of the challenged trolls. Especially the one watching the ducks on the Swan River from the viewing platform at the Nursing Home.

Now Denmark is going over to hydrogen as they don't want to be left behind with obsolete geriatric dangerous electric funeral cars.



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Denmark To Test Hydrogen Buses — But Why?
February 22nd, 2018 by Jesper Berggreen

According to DR News, the northern region of Denmark has ordered 3 hydrogen fuel cell powered buses, at an expected price tag of almost $1 million each.

In itself that is a very high cost compared to a standard Chinese BYD K9 electric bus at about $500,000, but what strikes me more is the chosen headline in the country’s respected national news media: “The future is here: the country’s first hydrogen buses are coming.”

Hydrogen future?
I am confused about the subject of hydrogen. So much money is invested in the technology, while at the same time the reality of battery storage is forging ahead. What is going on? Is it going to be one or the other? Or both?

As I see it, the main difference between hydrogen storage and battery storage is that hydrogen is cheap to store and hard to transport as opposed to electricity being expensive to store in batteries but easy to transport.

However, let me emphasise that I write this, not to lecture right from wrong, but to reach out for answers. It is very hard to find hard facts about the overall large-scale economy of these technologies, in part because prices sometimes drop rapidly, but also because it might have a lot to do with geography.

The before noted headline “The future is here…” seems to claim that in this windy part of the world, in a small country with a population of 5,5 million and a wind turbine nameplate capacity of 5,5 GW, an energy storage infrastructure based on hydrogen is viable and very much competitive to battery storage.

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The 3 buses ordered, which are expected to go into public service within a year, are actually part of a larger scheme of an experiment with hydrogen. Under the name of House of Energy, 400 researchers from Aalborg University and 400 companies from all over Denmark have made a platform to share knowledge, skills, and resources on different sustainable energy technologies and production.

One of the companies of the House of Energy platform is Hydrogen Valley and its objective is to facilitate actual projects in a hydrogen infrastructure. The most important project is to build one of Europe’s biggest electrolysis based hydrogen production plants.

The plant is almost complete at the city of Hobro and is called HyBalance. The hydrogen will be produced solely from excess wind power with up to 70% efficiency, and the whole point of the plant is to demonstrate all parts of the hydrogen eco-system, from production, over distribution, to end use, primarily in transportation systems — and that is where the buses come in.

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HyBalance construction site. Image credit: HyBalance.eu

So, at first it seems odd that these buses were ordered in the first place, knowing that with fuel cells only being up to 60% efficient they cannot possibly compete with the cheap battery-powered alternatives that could be charged directly from wind power. However, they are really just pieces in a bigger experiment of whether the hydrogen economy is viable in the long run. Of course, the companies involved believe it is. Time will tell.

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Personally I think hydrogen is interesting from a technology perspective, but I think what’s happening with battery storage across many different technologies is so radical that nothing will be able to compete with it in the long run. But who knows? Maybe both will serve us in some sort of equilibrium, but with hydrogen playing a minor role if you ask me. One example could be some kind of standardized hydrogen storage system inside all those wind turbine towers.

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If you like buses, check out the CleanTechnica articles on what’s going on in London with hydrogen-powered ones, and battery-powered ones.

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/02/22/denmark-test-hydrogen-buses/


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The dead end very inconvenient and impractical tiny all electric cars are just dangerous gimmicks for geeks loaded with lithium fire bombs - when will your Tesla coffin car complete with crematorium send you to the promised land in a fiery explosion ?


Cars have petrol tanks & they catch fire too.
No doubt hydrogen cars can also blow up.
You have introduced a false safety issue.
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Bobby,

I haven't introduced anything - I have merely reported what is going on around the world.

But it is a relief to read a post from someone with a normal working brain after being saturated by unhinged emotional dribble from the unhinged trolls.



Petrol is inflammable and will burn if ignited. So in a crash there is always the possibility of the petrol getting onto the hot exhaust. Fortunately this doesn't happen all that often. And there is a vast amount of experience with petrol and diesel.



With the dangerous all electric basically untested still experimental Tesla "cars" the driver is used as a guinea pig by Tesla to find faults in their still experimental '"cars".

The trouble with Tesla is that by international standards they are just a tiny cash strapped experimental car "manufacturer" who does not have the time or facilities to rigorously test their potentially dangerous "cars". There are numerous reports of structurally inadequate suspension and steering components in their experimental "cars".

Their self driving is a death wish.

In a Tesla the driver is sitting on top of a dangerous lithium fire bomb and in many crashes this lithium fire bomb has ignited and keeps burning for days.

Their excessively long recharge times and potentially fatal crashes condemns Tesla range anxiety cars to the scrap heap long term.

With the arrival of Mercedes and Volkswagen the safety issue of all electric cars will dramatically improve. But the long recharge time and range anxiety remains to ultimately condemn them to the scrap heap as happened about 200 years ago.




In the far more practical usable hydrogen cars getting ready to hit the scene the hydrogen is stored at pressure in a very strong tank similar to LPG and LNG.

It is very safe and hydrogen just escapes upward into the air if released.

Already Toyota is producing hydrogen cars for the Japanese market and hydrogen infrastructure is being steadily expanded.

As Toyota is a gigantic profitable company they can afford to properly test their cars.
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Reply #122 - Sep 9th, 2018 at 5:30pm
 
Petrol is inflammable ?

Petrol is flammable.

Lithium batteries are here to stay.
They have high storage capacity & low weight -
ideal for cars & everything else.

I don't believe hydrogen is stored as a liquid in cars or buses.
It's infused into membranes.
I don't think it's possible to store liquid hydrogen in any safe manner.
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I thought they dissolved the hydrogen in another metal for storage.
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miketrees wrote on Sep 9th, 2018 at 5:42pm:
I thought they dissolved the hydrogen in another metal for storage.



Something like that - I forgot -

let Juliar enlighten us.
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Bobby, your punctiliously pedantic precision is commendable as it neatly diverts the discussion away from the topic.
Just to clear your mind of your inflammably flammable confusion:-

Flammable vs. Inflammable
Both words mean the same thing, but one of them is bound to confuse most people.
"When cooking over a gas stove, avoid wearing loose, (flammable/inflammable) clothing that could catch fire easily." Which word is correct: flammable or inflammable?

Trick question: both flammable and inflammable are correct, as they both mean "capable of being easily ignited and of burning quickly." This makes no sense to the Modern English speaker. In English, we think of in- as a prefix that means "not": inactive means "not active," inconclusive means "not conclusive," inconsiderate means "not considerate." Therefore, inflammable should mean "not flammable."

i-fell-into-a-burning-ring-of-fire
What's the difference between 'flammable' and 'inflammable'?

That would make sense—if inflammable had started out as an English word. We get inflammable from the Latin verb inflammare, which combines flammare ("to catch fire") with a Latin prefix in-, which means "to cause to." This in- shows up occasionally in English words, though we only tend to notice it when the in- word is placed next to its root word for comparison: impassive and passive, irradiated and radiated, inflame and flame. Inflammable came into English in the early 1600s.

Things were fine until 1813, when a scholar translating a Latin text coined the English word flammable from the Latin flammare, and now we had a problem: two words that look like antonyms but are actually synonyms. There has been confusion between the two words ever since.

What do you do? To avoid confusion, choose flammable when you are referring to something that catches fire and burns easily, and use the relatively recent nonflammable when referring to something that doesn't catch fire and burn easily. Our files indicate that use of flammable and nonflammable has increased in print over the last few decades, while use of inflammable has decreased.



Now back to the actual topic.

The hydrogen is stored in basically 2 ways.

BMW actually reduced it to cryogenic state.

But Toyota and Hyundai simply store the hydrogen as gas under pressure.

The process was clearly designed to feel like filling up with gasoline or diesel, with the same relative steps that need to be executed to fill up. With gasoline, there are different octanes of fuel, but with hydrogen, there’s only the one type to worry about.

However, stations can operate at two different pressures — H35 or H70 — which dictate fueling time.

H35 stations operate at 35 Mega Pascals | 350 bar | 5,000 psi, while

H70 stations operate at 70 Mega Pascals | 350 bar | 10,000 psi.


High-pressure hydrogen tanks
The Mirai has two hydrogen tanks with a three-layer structure made of carbon fiber-reinforced plastic consisting of nylon 6 from Ube Industries and other materials. The tanks store hydrogen at 70 MPa (10,000 psi). The tanks have a combined weight 87.5 kg (193 lb) and 5 kg capacity.

There are already hydrogen fueled cars operating in California.

All that is holding back hydrogen cars is getting the infrastructure up and running and then all the electric inconveniences will quickly end up in the junk yards just like they did some 200 hundred years ago.
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Reply #126 - Sep 10th, 2018 at 5:31am
 
juliar wrote on Sep 9th, 2018 at 6:00pm:
Bobby, your punctiliously pedantic precision is commendable as it neatly diverts the discussion away from the topic.
Just to clear your mind of your inflammably flammable confusion:-

Flammable vs. Inflammable
Both words mean the same thing, but one of them is bound to confuse most people.
"When cooking over a gas stove, avoid wearing loose, (flammable/inflammable) clothing that could catch fire easily." Which word is correct: flammable or inflammable?

Trick question: both flammable and inflammable are correct, as they both mean "capable of being easily ignited and of burning quickly." This makes no sense to the Modern English speaker. In English, we think of in- as a prefix that means "not": inactive means "not active," inconclusive means "not conclusive," inconsiderate means "not considerate." Therefore, inflammable should mean "not flammable."

i-fell-into-a-burning-ring-of-fire
What's the difference between 'flammable' and 'inflammable'?

That would make sense—if inflammable had started out as an English word. We get inflammable from the Latin verb inflammare, which combines flammare ("to catch fire") with a Latin prefix in-, which means "to cause to." This in- shows up occasionally in English words, though we only tend to notice it when the in- word is placed next to its root word for comparison: impassive and passive, irradiated and radiated, inflame and flame. Inflammable came into English in the early 1600s.

Things were fine until 1813, when a scholar translating a Latin text coined the English word flammable from the Latin flammare, and now we had a problem: two words that look like antonyms but are actually synonyms. There has been confusion between the two words ever since.

What do you do? To avoid confusion, choose flammable when you are referring to something that catches fire and burns easily, and use the relatively recent nonflammable when referring to something that doesn't catch fire and burn easily. Our files indicate that use of flammable and nonflammable has increased in print over the last few decades, while use of inflammable has decreased.



Now back to the actual topic.

The hydrogen is stored in basically 2 ways.

BMW actually reduced it to cryogenic state.

But Toyota and Hyundai simply store the hydrogen as gas under pressure.

The process was clearly designed to feel like filling up with gasoline or diesel, with the same relative steps that need to be executed to fill up. With gasoline, there are different octanes of fuel, but with hydrogen, there’s only the one type to worry about.

However, stations can operate at two different pressures — H35 or H70 — which dictate fueling time.

H35 stations operate at 35 Mega Pascals | 350 bar | 5,000 psi, while

H70 stations operate at 70 Mega Pascals | 350 bar | 10,000 psi.


High-pressure hydrogen tanks
The Mirai has two hydrogen tanks with a three-layer structure made of carbon fiber-reinforced plastic consisting of nylon 6 from Ube Industries and other materials. The tanks store hydrogen at 70 MPa (10,000 psi). The tanks have a combined weight 87.5 kg (193 lb) and 5 kg capacity.

There are already hydrogen fueled cars operating in California.

All that is holding back hydrogen cars is getting the infrastructure up and running and then all the electric inconveniences will quickly end up in the junk yards just like they did some 200 hundred years ago.

the big problem is it takes 5 times the energy to compress the Hydrogen into a liquid than it takes to charge a battery to make a EV go the same distance  Wink
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Sounds like the crushed broken brain of the nauseating troll is bleeding.
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Juliar

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H35 stations operate at 35 Mega Pascals | 350 bar | 5,000 psi, while

H70 stations operate at 70 Mega Pascals | 350 bar | 10,000 psi.




Such high pressures sound safe to me .   Embarrassed
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Reply #129 - Sep 10th, 2018 at 11:12pm
 
juliar wrote on Sep 9th, 2018 at 4:44pm:
Bobby,

I haven't introduced anything - I have merely reported what is going on around the world.

But it is a relief to read a post from someone with a normal working brain after being saturated by unhinged emotional dribble from the unhinged trolls.



Petrol is inflammable and will burn if ignited. So in a crash there is always the possibility of the petrol getting onto the hot exhaust. Fortunately this doesn't happen all that often. And there is a vast amount of experience with petrol and diesel.





Yes it's very rare that Petrol cars catch on fire isn't it socko Cheesy LOL

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-fiat-chrysler-verdict-jeep/u-s-jury-awards-15...

U.S. jury awards $150 million for Jeep fuel-tank fire death


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A U.S. jury in Georgia on Thursday awarded $150 million to a family that sued Chrysler Group LLC for the 2012 death of their 4-year-old in a fiery crash involving a 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee with a rear fuel tank.

Following a nearly two-week trial in Decatur County, Georgia, jurors said Chrysler, a unit of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, was liable for the death of Remington Walden and failed to warn customers that the tank’s position could increase the risk of fire in a rear-end crash.

Chrysler previously recalled 1.56 million Jeep SUVs with rear fuel tanks, although the 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee in which Walden was riding was not among them.

The jury, which began deliberating Thursday afternoon, said Chrysler acted with “reckless and wanton disregard” and ordered it to pay 99 percent of the damages. The driver of the vehicle that rear-ended the Grand Cherokee was responsible for the other 1 percent.

Walden was killed when the Jeep he was riding in was struck from behind, rupturing the fuel tank and creating an “inferno,” according to Jim Butler, a lawyer for the family. Had the fuel tank been placed farther forward on the vehicle, he said, it would have been better protected.

Concerns over fuel-tank placement prompted Chrysler to announce in 2013 that it would recall 1993-1998 Jeep Grand Cherokees, along with the Jeep Libertys from model years 2002-2007. The company also said it would conduct a “customer satisfaction campaign” for 1999-2004 Jeep Grand Cherokees.

The announcement came after Chrysler initially denied there was a safety issue. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has linked more than 50 deaths to the fuel-tank issues.

Chrysler’s lawyers said at trial that the fire did not cause Walden’s death and blamed the driver of the other vehicle. Fiat Chrysler Chief Executive Sergio Marchionne, whose pre-recorded testimony was played during trial, said that regulators never found a defect in the 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee and that there was no evidence the vehicle was dangerous. Reuters viewed the proceedings on Courtroom View Network.

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Reply #130 - Sep 10th, 2018 at 11:15pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 5:31am:
the big problem is it takes 5 times the energy to compress the Hydrogen into a liquid than it takes to charge a battery to make a EV go the same distance  Wink


but socko wants to use renewable energy to make hydrogen so he can still profit from the hydrogen fool bowser instead of the punters directly charging up their EV's at home using rooftop solar Cheesy LOL
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Reply #131 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 11:15am
 
Definitely need a Pest Killer to fumigate under the floor boards to get rid of the nauseating unhinged trolls.

Bobby,

I am relieved you are satisfied with the now standard hydrogen pressures being used world wide.

The pressure system is simpler than the cryogenic system used by BMW which tends to leak.

Huge effort is being channeled into setting up the hydrogen infrastructure as it is already clear that the electric heaps are just dangerous impractical inconveniences which will end up in the junkyards once the ultimate hydrogen future energy becomes widely available.

The big attraction of hydrogen is that it is a much bigger system than the dead end electric heaps as it can power cars and trucks and buses and trains and its refuel time is the same as petrol and diesel.

But the really big attraction is converting it to ammonia and exporting it as a ammonia to Japan and south Asia where it is converted back to hydrogen energy.

Hydrogen is very attractive for storing the output of otherwise fairly useless wind and solar.
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Reply #132 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 11:45pm
 
yes all of these "apparent" advantages and yet you still can't buy the cars or the hydrogen to fuel them Cheesy LOL
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Reply #133 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 5:32am
 
also hydrogen fuel cell cars R electric vehicles with a rather large lithium battery on board...... Cheesy
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why wouldn't other countries use the extra energy from wind and solar and make their own hydrogen.... so the idea is we make hydrogen convert it into ammonia ship it over seas,
the other country gets the ammonia , extracts the hydrogen then compresses it up and uses it.... I guess this is while their own solar panels sit there doing nothing.... Wink
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Reply #135 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 6:19am
 
juliar wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 11:15am:
Definitely need a Pest Killer to fumigate under the floor boards to get rid of the nauseating unhinged trolls.

Bobby,

I am relieved you are satisfied with the now standard hydrogen pressures being used world wide.




No - I was only joking -
do you really want to have something that is at 10,000 psi and flammable if you crash?
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Reply #136 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 2:43pm
 
Definitely need a Pest Exterminator to fumigate under the floor boards to get rid of the nauseating unhinged troll VIRUS.


Bobby,

relax there are pressure vessels all around the place.

Toyota has tested their cylinders to the ultimate limit and even shot at them.

LPG and LNG are stored at high pressure in cars and trucks. Even the gas cylinder for the barbecue is containing gas at high pressure. Oxyacetylene welding cylinders contain gas at high pressure.

Hydrogen just goes upward if released.

Japan and Sth Korea are well on the way to swinging over to hydrogen.

Hydrogen trucks are being tested as container carriers in the USA to reduce pollution from diesel. So far they go quite well. The electric ones tried were a dismal failure.

As soon as the infrastructure is up and going there will be a huge swing over to hydrogen with the clunky geriatric iphones on wheels crowding into the junkyards.

The real attraction for Australia is to use the renewable rubbish to power the electrolysers to produce hydrogen and then convert this to ammonia and export it as ammonia to Japan where they convert it back to hydrogen.

This way the otherwise useless renewable rubbish can be put to some good use.

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Reply #137 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:44am
 
And socko just can't wait to open up a hydrogen fool bowser and make 1 cent per liter profit and hoping the punters will make up the difference by buying more chocolate bars from his store Cheesy LOL
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juliar wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 2:43pm:
Definitely need a Pest Exterminator to fumigate under the floor boards to get rid of the nauseating unhinged troll VIRUS.


Bobby,

relax there are pressure vessels all around the place.

Toyota has tested their cylinders to the ultimate limit and even shot at them.

LPG and LNG are stored at high pressure in cars and trucks. Even the gas cylinder for the barbecue is containing gas at high pressure. Oxyacetylene welding cylinders contain gas at high pressure.

Hydrogen just goes upward if released.

Japan and Sth Korea are well on the way to swinging over to hydrogen.

Hydrogen trucks are being tested as container carriers in the USA to reduce pollution from diesel. So far they go quite well. The electric ones tried were a dismal failure.

As soon as the infrastructure is up and going there will be a huge swing over to hydrogen with the clunky geriatric iphones on wheels crowding into the junkyards.

The real attraction for Australia is to use the renewable rubbish to power the electrolysers to produce hydrogen and then convert this to ammonia and export it as ammonia to Japan where they convert it back to hydrogen.

This way the otherwise useless renewable rubbish can be put to some good use.





dear Juliar,
All I'm saying is that anything -
& especially something flammable at 10,000 psi is incredibly dangerous.
Petrol is bad enough but it least it's not pressurised.
There is no doubt that Lithium batteries are also dangerous.


Also - what about trying to fill up a tank of hydrogen at 10,000 psi?
You are dealing with cryogenic temperatures that could instantly
freeze your fingers.
What is stopping the nozzle from coming loose & forcing out
hydrogen at 10,000 psi into your face?


Juliar - no offence as your heart is in the right place - but I don't
believe that you or anyone else here including me
are qualified to assess all the dangers & quantify them.
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 15th, 2018 at 6:10am:
juliar wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 2:43pm:
Definitely need a Pest Exterminator to fumigate under the floor boards to get rid of the nauseating unhinged troll VIRUS.


Bobby,

relax there are pressure vessels all around the place.

Toyota has tested their cylinders to the ultimate limit and even shot at them.

LPG and LNG are stored at high pressure in cars and trucks. Even the gas cylinder for the barbecue is containing gas at high pressure. Oxyacetylene welding cylinders contain gas at high pressure.

Hydrogen just goes upward if released.

Japan and Sth Korea are well on the way to swinging over to hydrogen.

Hydrogen trucks are being tested as container carriers in the USA to reduce pollution from diesel. So far they go quite well. The electric ones tried were a dismal failure.

As soon as the infrastructure is up and going there will be a huge swing over to hydrogen with the clunky geriatric iphones on wheels crowding into the junkyards.

The real attraction for Australia is to use the renewable rubbish to power the electrolysers to produce hydrogen and then convert this to ammonia and export it as ammonia to Japan where they convert it back to hydrogen.

This way the otherwise useless renewable rubbish can be put to some good use.





dear Juliar,
All I'm saying is that anything -
& especially something flammable at 10,000 psi is incredibly dangerous.
Petrol is bad enough but it least it's not pressurised.
There is no doubt that Lithium batteries are also dangerous.


Also - what about trying to fill up a tank of hydrogen at 10,000 psi?
You are dealing with cryogenic temperatures that could instantly
freeze your fingers.
What is stopping the nozzle from coming loose & forcing out
hydrogen at 10,000 psi into your face?


Juliar - no offence as your heart is in the right place - but I don't
believe that you or anyone else here including me
are qualified to assess all the dangers & quantify them.


Sitting on a 10,000 psi hydrogen bomb, this dudes heart is never in the right place. All he is thinking about is ripping off the punters for their energy needs.

He's conveniently forgotten about the pressures and the metal ingress just to name a few problems with hydrogen. All socko can see is business as usual at the fool bowser so he can continue on where his fake oil economy left off.

And of course his predictable retort will be some bullshit about trolls coming out of the floor boards. Socko is as dumb as dogshit just like the rest of them Cheesy LOL


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Reply #141 - Sep 15th, 2018 at 9:33pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 15th, 2018 at 10:19am:
Sitting on a 10,000 psi hydrogen bomb, this dudes heart is never in the right place. All he is thinking about is ripping off the punters for their energy needs.

He's conveniently forgotten about the pressures and the metal ingress just to name a few problems with hydrogen. All socko can see is business as usual at the fool bowser so he can continue on where his fake oil economy left off.

And of course his predictable retort will be some bullshit about trolls coming out of the floor boards. Socko is as dumb as dogshit just like the rest of them Cheesy LOL





Hi Nail,
and Juliar has failed to come back to this thread and apologise
for posting nonsense when confronted with the facts.
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Reply #142 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 7:31pm
 
Bobby,

totally ignoring the ridiculous retarded rubbish leaking out of the shrunken head of the sick troll and getting down to facts.

You missed the subtlety somewhere.

BMW used the cryogenic storage tank which leaked.

But Toyota and the others opted for the much simpler method of merely pressurizing the hydrogen in the tank.

So the hydrogen is simply gas under pressure.

Different from LPG which is liquid in the tank.


A good explanation is here:-  https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-storage


And how safe are pressurized hydorgen tanks ?   https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/high-pressure-hydrogen-tank-testing
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juliar wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 7:31pm:
Bobby,

totally ignoring the ridiculous retarded rubbish leaking out of the shrunken head of the sick troll and getting down to facts.

You missed the subtlety somewhere.

BMW used the cryogenic storage tank which leaked.

But Toyota and the others opted for the much simpler method of merely pressurizing the hydrogen in the tank.

So the hydrogen is simply gas under pressure.

Different from LPG which is liquid in the tank.


A good explanation is here:-  https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-storage


And how safe are pressurized hydorgen tanks ?   https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/high-pressure-hydrogen-tank-testing



dear Juliar,
I wonder which hydrogen storage method will prevail?
All will have their positive and negative attributes.

I still think battery cars will win this race.
At least you can charge them from solar panels so
it costs nothing except the setup cost.
People will not be reliant on petrol or hydrogen filling stations.
They won't be slaves to multi-national companies charging them for fuel.
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 8:32pm:
juliar wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 7:31pm:
Bobby,

totally ignoring the ridiculous retarded rubbish leaking out of the shrunken head of the sick troll and getting down to facts.

You missed the subtlety somewhere.

BMW used the cryogenic storage tank which leaked.

But Toyota and the others opted for the much simpler method of merely pressurizing the hydrogen in the tank.

So the hydrogen is simply gas under pressure.

Different from LPG which is liquid in the tank.


A good explanation is here:-  https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-storage


And how safe are pressurized hydorgen tanks ?   https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/high-pressure-hydrogen-tank-testing



dear Juliar,
I wonder which hydrogen storage method will prevail?
All will have their positive and negative attributes.

I still think battery cars will win this race.
At least you can charge them from solar panels so
it costs nothing except the setup cost.
People will not be reliant on petrol or hydrogen filling stations.
They won't be slaves to multi-national companies charging them for fuel.


None of them will. The centralized energy model is dead in the water. People have seen what can be done with batteries and GMC proved this 30 years ago with the EV1 when they subsequently had them all recalled and scrapped for no reason at all except they were a threat to their oil interests. The so called hydrogen cars were supposed to be the future but where are they today ? We were told they would be here by now but the silence is deafening Cheesy LOL
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Reply #145 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 9:11pm
 
The shrunken heads of the lying SPAMMING TROLLS are drowning in their own uneducated GROSSLY IGNORANT TECHNICALLY OBTUSE SLIME.

The shrunken heads of the lying Spamming Trolls could not argue their way out of a wet paper bag they are just so thick.

Typical MT headed Greeny types.
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Reply #146 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 9:22pm
 
So where are the hydrogen cars and hydrogen fool bowsers socko ? Which stealership can I buy a hydrogen car from and can I buy it outright or is it leased because nobody can afford to own them ? Cheesy LOL
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Reply #147 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 9:23pm
 
juliar wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 9:11pm:
The shrunken heads of the lying SPAMMING TROLLS are drowning in their own uneducated GROSSLY IGNORANT TECHNICALLY OBTUSE SLIME.

The shrunken heads of the lying Spamming Trolls could not argue their way out of a wet paper bag they are just so thick.

Typical MT headed Greeny types.



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Reply #148 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 9:25pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 9:23pm:
juliar wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 9:11pm:
The shrunken heads of the lying SPAMMING TROLLS are drowning in their own uneducated GROSSLY IGNORANT TECHNICALLY OBTUSE SLIME.

The shrunken heads of the lying Spamming Trolls could not argue their way out of a wet paper bag they are just so thick.

Typical MT headed Greeny types.



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Yes he is. ANyone that doesn't agree with with his Mafioso style energy policies is green slime according to socko.
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Reply #149 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 10:59pm
 
Oh Bobby you and Lee are the ONLY intelligent beings here.

I am just slagging the disreputable useless troll with the IQ of a deceased ant. And there are two of these Greeny type trolls making the place untidy.

The exciting future of the hydrogen energy revolution gets ever more exciting while the dead end all electrics languish in the doldrums of range anxiety inconvenience.




New catalyst material could ignite fuel cell revolution
23rd January 2018 11:08 am

A new type of catalyst to replace the platinum in fuel cells could potentially make hydrogen-powered vehicles considerably cheaper.

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Developed at the University of California, Riverside (UCR), the material is made of porous carbon nanofibres embedded with ions from either cobalt, iron or nickel. Due to their relative abundance, these metals can be up to 100 times cheaper than platinum, a key component in most polymer electrolyte membrane fuel cells (PEMFC) used today. The work is published in the journal Small.

Employing a technique called electrospinning, the UCR researchers made paper-thin sheets of carbon nanofibres embedded with the metal ions. Once heated, the ions formed ultrafine metal nanoparticles that catalysed the transformation of carbon into a high-performance graphite. The metal nanoparticles and residual non-graphite carbon were then oxidised, leading to a highly porous network of nanoparticles dispersed in a porous network of graphite.

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“The key to the high performance of the materials we created is the combination of the chemistry and fibre processing conditions,” said David Kisailus, Professor in Energy Innovation at UCR’s College of Engineering. “The remarkable electrochemical properties were primarily attributed to the synergistic effects obtained from the engineering of the metal oxide with exposed active sites and the 3D hierarchical porous graphitic structure.”

In collaboration with researchers from Stanford University, the UCR team demonstrated that the catalytic nanocomposite performed as well as platinum-carbon systems, but at a fraction of the cost. According to Kisailus, an added benefit of the was that new material’s graphite fibre provided additional strength and durability, which could enable it to serve as a structural component as well as a fuel cell catalyst.

“An important challenge in making high-performance vehicles is reducing weight, both from the body of the vehicle as well as extra weight from the battery or fuel cell, without affecting safety or performance,” he said. “The material we created may enable automakers to turn structural components, such as the hood or the chassis, into functional elements that help power cars.”

https://www.theengineer.co.uk/catalyst-fuel-cell-revolution/



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James Stewart 23rd January 2018 at 6:57 pm
Once this is combined with hydrogen stripping from liquid fuels, and the carbon used in the new 600 degree carbon fuel cell, I see EV’s being truly electrical without the obvious drawbacks of battery powered vehicles.

Net result is water vapor, and carbon dioxide with the CO2 in its own pure stream, heck, maybe even capture that as liquid CO2, and discharge it to storage when you fill up.

The CO2 has its own uses, including green house growth accelerator, so atmospheric release is not necessary. This can be a real boon, renewal fuel or not.



Andrew Biddlecombe 24th January 2018 at 2:10 am
I always thought fuel cells were the answer. Much better than batteries.



Brian Tucker 24th January 2018 at 4:35 pm
Put this together with the report on photon friendly graphene membranes and we are getting somewhere.
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Reply #150 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 11:47am
 
To bad socko. Mainstream auto manufacturers turning away from hydrogen to battery electric vehicles. Even Honda has given it away Cheesy LOL

Are Hydrogen Fuel Cell Cars Doomed -- And Have Electric Cars Won?



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Reply #151 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 4:53pm
 
And the shrunken head of the troll with the IQ of a deceased ant appears from under the floor boards.

Hydrogen power just gets bigger and bigger while the dangerous electric heaps crash and burn.




Anheuser-Busch Orders 800 Nikola Hybrid Fuel Cell Electric Semis
RAY PRINCE  MAY 7, 2018

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Beer maker Anheuser-Busch has made a reservation for up to 800 of Nikola Motor’s hybrid fuel cell electric semi trucks.

The semi trucks will be expected to serve on long-haul deliveries from breweries to distributors, with distribution to begin in 2020.

“Hydrogen-electric technology is the future of logistics, and we’re proud to be leading the way,” said Nikola CEO Trevor Milton in a statement. “Anheuser-Busch has a long history of investing in progressive, sustainable technology and we are excited to partner with them to bring the largest hydrogen network in the world to the USA.”

“By 2028, we anticipate having over 700 hydrogen stations across the USA and Canada. With nearly 9 billion dollars in pre-order reservations, we are building to order, not speculation, and are very excited for what’s to come.”

This deal marks Anheuser-Busch’s second mass order of electric trucks over the past year. In early December 2017, it reserved 40 Tesla semi trucks in what was its largest reservation at the time, estimated to be worth $800,000 based on $20,000 deposits for each vehicle.


In late October 2017, It also completed a 120-mile shipment of 50,000 cans of Budweiser using a self-driving Uber 18-wheeler to a facility in Colorado.

Anheuser Busch has long stated goals to convert its long-haul truck fleet to low emissions by 2025 as part of its 2025 Sustainability Goals initiatives, will call for a 25-percent reduction in CO2 emissions across its entire transportation system. The company is also a member of the US Environmental Protection Agency’s SmartWay Transport program, which uses the agency’s systems for tracking fuel use, average operational expertise, and advocate for fuel-saving projects among its member ranks.

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Reply #152 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 4:58pm
 
Tremendous pressure is building to get the hydrogen supply system up and going while the debilitated range anxiety electrics crash and burn and end up in the junk yards.




Hyundai to Launch Fuel Cell Electric Semi Truck in 2019
SAM MCEACHERN  SEPTEMBER 13, 2018

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Hyundai has released an early design sketch of the electric fuel cell semi truck it hopes to put on European roads next year.

The fuel cell semi truck, which has yet to be named, is specially designed to be as aerodynamically efficient as possible. Hyundai says it “emanates an eco-friendly look with an iconic blue color application and a bold side body graphic on the container, which visualizes its dynamic character.”

That’s nice and all, but the important takeaway here is that the fuel cell truck will begin ferrying goods across Europe within the next 12 months. Hyundai plans to release more details on the fuel cell semi at the upcoming IAA Commercial Vehicles 2018 expo, which kicks off on September 30, so we should have more information to report on this emissions-free tractor trailer soon.

In addition to commercial EVs, Hyundai is also interested in autonomous commercial vehicles. The Korean automaker recently completed South Korea’s the first-ever highway journey with an autonomous semi truck, with a prototype Hyundai Xcient driving itself between Uiwang and Incheon while towing a cargo trailer. Hyundai said the demonstration showcased its “innovative technological advancement in future mobility.”

The fuel cell transport truck will follow in the footsteps of Hyundai’s previous two hydrogen production vehicles, the iX35 and the new Nexo. In North America, the Nexo will be sold in California only, with the state being one of the few regions in North America where an adequate hydrogen refilling infrastructure has been set up.


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Reply #153 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 5:00pm
 
Not for domestic use socko. It's an old article too. Try harder loser.

Nobody wants to pay for solar PV in a hydrogen bottle when they can get it from home for free from their own rooftop Wink
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Reply #154 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 5:04pm
 
And the shrunken head of the troll with the IQ of a deceased ant appears from under the floor boards.

Ignoring the low IQ trash from the shrunken head, hydrogen is the ONLY answer for the BIG STUFF as tiny explosive lithium batteries are far too dangerous.





Toyota and Shell Bringing Hydrogen Filling to Port of Long Beach
EVAN WILLIAMS  APRIL 20, 2018

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Shell Oil and Toyota are getting an $8 million rebate to bring hydrogen refuelling to the Port of Long Beach.

The grant has been provisionally awarded and comes from the California Energy Commission. It will allow the group to develop and install the first hydrogen-truck refuelling station to the port. It’s part of the Commission’s program to develop green infrastructure at ports and distribution centers around the state. The grant still needs to be formally approved at an upcoming CEC meeting.

Shell and Toyota are planning to use the stations to fill hydrogen fuel cell trucks. Toyota has been exploring and developing the technology for years at its California research and development facility. The Project Portal fuel cell truck was unveiled at the Port this time last year. It used two fuel cells from the Mirai and could haul an 80,000 lb truck up to 200 miles.

The Port of Long Beach has long worked to reduce emissions. It is one of the busiest ports in the U.S., and is responsible for most of the diesel emissions in the area. The port already has its own Clean Truck program that controls the emissions of trucks that can use the port. Running the fuel cell vehicles on the short runs in and around the port could significantly reduce emissions.


If the new facility is approved, Shell will build the hydrogen station at the Toyota Logistics Services center at the port, and it will fuel the Project Portal concept truck as well as public fleets.

“This station will help the hydrogen-fueled freight sector to flourish in California, said Oliver Bishop, Hydrogen general manager at Shell. “Hydrogen offers a promising path for decarbonizing transport, particularly the heavy-duty sector where there are few alternatives to conventional fuel. Shell and Toyota will combine their expertise to deliver an effective alternative fuel for Californian freight.”

Shell will source the hydrogen from Toyota’s Tri-Gen facility, located adjacent to the new filling station, which produces hydrogen from renewable bio-gas.

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London is going hydrogen big time as the cops get on the gas that will power the whole world.




London Police Add Fuel Cell Mirais to Fleet
EVAN WILLIAMS  MARCH 16, 2018

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London police are putting the cuffs on emissions with new fuel cell police cars.

The Metropolitan Police Service is getting 11 Toyota Mirai fuel cell vehicles. The first have arrived in the force’s rollout of the world’s largest hydrogen fuelled police car fleet.

The Mirais will be able to fill up at five hydrogen filling stations across London, although that number is expected to grow. The cars can cover around 300 miles on a tank of hydrogen.

Met Commander Neil Jerome said: “We are delighted to have taken delivery of 11 of these cars to support policing in London. They are our first entirely zero-emission response vehicles and this is an exciting development for us.” Jerome added that “this is enabling us to make great strides towards our ambition of procuring 550 vehicles as zero or ultra-low emission by 2020.”

The new Mirais will be used as both marked cars – wearing the force’s iconic Battenburg markings – and as unmarked cars. The Mirai might not seem like the ideal pursuit car with a 0-60 time of 9.6 seconds, but it’s tougher to outrun the police radio and the city’s camera network.

The first batch of cars was funded with the support of the Fuel Cells and Hydrogen Joint Undertaking. A public-private partnership that supports the research, development, and demonstration of fuel cells and hydrogen energy in Europe.

SEE ALSO: Limited-market Toyota Mirai Hits 3,000-Unit Sales Milestone

The Toyota Mirai was introduced in 2014. The car is powered by a hydrogen fuel cell that emits only water from the tailpipe. It’s a big reduction compared with the gas and diesel-powered cars the force is using currently. It’s also a chance for Toyota to gather massive amounts of data from vehicles that will likely see some of the harshest conditions around in the constant short trips and long idle periods police cars endure. The cars also add high-profile visibility to the Mirai.

“We are delighted that the Met Police has added Mirai vehicles to its fleet.  The distinctive livery of the Met’s marked cars means even more public visibility for hydrogen powered cars in and around London,” said Mark Roden, director of operations for Toyota GB.

London is working to reduce the emissions from city vehicles and has set a target of becoming a zero-carbon city by the year 2050. Cars like these new Mirais are a big part of that goal.

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Reply #156 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 5:06pm
 
Air quality suffers particularly from diesel exhaust and for BIG VEHICLES hydrogen is THE ANSWER as the geriatric dangerous batteries are useless for this sort of thing.





The hydrogen revolution
Source: PSE April/May 2018

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PSE’s Josh Mines takes a look at an innovative scheme in Sheffield that will see some of the first hydrogen-fuelled vans begin work in the authority’s road maintenance fleet.

Air quality in the UK is a serious problem. A joint study between Lancet Countdown and the Royal College of Physicians last year found that 44 cities in the UK were in breach of World Health Organization guidelines on clean air.

It makes sense, then, that councils should take the lead on trying to clear the air in their local areas by adopting more environmentally-friendly options in their own fleets.

One innovative option is already being explored in Sheffield, where the council is working with Amey to trial two vans that use hydrogen power in its road maintenance fleet.

The benefit of cleaner air
Sheffield City Council already uses two electric vans in its ‘Streets Ahead’ programme that is upgrading roads, pavements, street lighting and bridges across the area. On top of this, the authority plans to replace its diesel fleet with another 15 electric vehicles in a drive to reduce carbon emissions over the next couple of years.

But the centrepiece of the council’s new eco-friendly fleet is the pair of hydrogen vans – which are the first to be used in Amey UK network. The scheme to use them is being backed by a government grant, and the success of the trial will inform Whitehall in the use of other hydrogen vehicle schemes in the future.

The hydrogen-power fuel cells on the vans adds the range of the electric battery to around 200 miles, making them great options for road maintenance tasks.

“We will run a trial with two hydrogen vehicles over the next two years,” said Streets Ahead environment manager, Tom Cullingford. “At the moment, there are only 20 to 30 hydrogen vehicles in the country and technology is at a very early stage.

“But the obvious benefit is that there are zero carbon emissions which will help improve the air quality in and around Sheffield.”

Getting on the right track
The public sector is not the first to begin looking into this type of technology. At the start of the year, rail minister Jo Johnson called on the rail industry to start looking into hydrogen-powered trains, setting a target of taking gas-guzzling diesel engines off the network by 2040.

Suppliers such as Alstom are already working hard to get hydrogen-powered trains on track in other countries, such as Germany, where hydrogen-powered rolling stock is now running on a local network in Lower Saxony.

The hydrogen vans in question are two Renault Kangoo ZE electric vans, which have been upgraded with the hydrogen fuel cell, built by French firm SymbioFcell and supplied to Amey via Symbio’s UK partner Arcola Energy.

The hydrogen for the vehicles will be provided by ITM Power from the company’s facility in Sheffield, which is one of the only hydrogen refuelling facilities in England.

The council hopes that the vans will reduce carbon emissions and the cost of running the vehicles, as well as improve mileage. All these factors will be taken into account in the government’s review of the trial.

More importantly, it is believed that hydrogen-powered vehicles could also reduce levels of dangerous nitrous oxide particulates, and contribute to Sheffield’s commitment to an Air Quality Management Zone.

“Amey is taking huge steps to ensure it is operating in the greenest and most efficient way as staff travel and work around the city as part of the Streets Ahead programme,” commented Sheffield City Council’s cabinet member for environment and street scene, Bryan Lodge.

“It’s great to see that it is mirroring the council’s efforts to reduce carbon emissions in the city and clean up the air that we all breathe.”

Though this is only a small step in a longer journey, it will be intriguing to see how many more councils will follow Sheffield’s lead in helping to create a greener, healthier country.

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And Australia is looking forward to generating hydrogen, converting it to ammonia, and exporting HUGE quantities to Japan and Sth Korea and anywhere else.




Bullet Train Thinking: How Japan Hopes to Lead a Global Hydrogen Revolution
by Ross Hastie, Spintelligent August 8, 2018

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“Japan will present hydrogen to the rest of the world as a new energy choice and will lead global efforts for establishing a carbon-free society taking advantage of Japan’s strong points,” read a statement from Japanese Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry as it unveiled the country’s ground-breaking Basic Hydrogen Strategy last December.

Two months later, the message was echoed in front of a packed keynote session at the World Smart Energy Week 2018* in Tokyo, as it was explained that Japan will “aggressively” pursue a policy of promulgating hydrogen worldwide.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has made hydrogen a symbol of the country’s ability to innovate. Indeed, the technical difficulty involved in making fuel cells is part of their attraction for Japan.

If the plan to spread the technology succeeds, Japan’s position as a leader in the global smart energy space will be assured. If it fails, another era of self-imposed isolation is likely on the cards.

When necessity meets opportunity

In an age where the needs for clean energy and energy security are becoming national priorities globally, hydrogen’s energy density has ensured that the technology is also receiving plenty of attention, especially in Germany, the USA and even China.

What makes Japan unique is that a large-scale industrial strategy has been combined with environmental and energy security ambitions.

Although positioned to take advantage of Japan’s status as a global leader in fuel cell technology, the hydrogen strategy — like most great schemes and initiatives – was born out of necessity in unforeseen circumstances.

The fallout of the great earthquake of 2011 saw Japanese public opinion turn staunchly against nuclear, shaking Japan’s energy policy to its foundations and pushing alternative energy solutions to the fore.

Now, the objective is to combine necessity with future opportunity.

Tokyo 2020: The Olympic launchpad

The Tokyo Olympic Games in 2020 have been dubbed the ‘Hydrogen Olympics’ and the Japanese government plans to use the event to showcase the advantages of hydrogen technologies, thus spreading the fuel-cell gospel.

The hope is that the effect will be similar to the launch of the famed ‘bullet train,’ which became the blueprint for high-speed railway systems worldwide.

“The 1964 Tokyo Olympics left the Shinkansen high-speed train system as its legacy. The upcoming Olympics will leave a hydrogen society as its legacy,” the Tokyo Metropolitan Government (TMG) said in a statement back in 2016, when plans for transforming the Japanese capital were announced.

The infrastructure dilemma

Fuel cell vehicles (FCV) are a major component of the larger Japanese strategy but FCV proponents worldwide face the same chicken-and-egg dilemma: increased infrastructure requires additional vehicles to support it, and vice versa. And the costs of the infrastructure required are significant.

The TMG plans to have over 100 fuel cell buses and 35 hydrogen fuelling stations operating in Tokyo in time for the games, aided by a 40 billion Yen ($348 million) fund. By 2025 it aims to have 80 stations and 100,000 fuel cell cars on the roads of the capital.

The situation is further complicated by Japan’s strict safety regulations. It costs about ¥500 million (US $4.5 million) to build a refueling station in Japan, more than double the cost in the U.S. or Europe, and five times the cost of a ‘traditional’ fossil fuel station.

The difficulties and grey areas in the regulations around how to handle hydrogen are not unique to Japan. But while Prime Minister Abe has made a priority of overhauling some of the regulations — hydrogen is still regulated as an industrial gas, with standards designed for large-scale chemical plants — some industry experts are concerned that government efforts are neither going far enough nor moving quickly enough to make Japan competitive internationally.

Industry convergence

Japanese companies such as Honda, Toyota and Kawasaki are at the forefront of hydrogen technology and the Japanese government has identified that industry convergence is critical for the hydrogen strategy to become feasible and sustainable.

Given the high-associated costs of producing hydrogen and the necessary infrastructure required, there is opportunity for beneficiary sectors to group and develop hydrogen stations – key being transport and battery storage.

In March, an alliance of 11 Japanese firms called Japan H2 Mobility LLC, including automakers and energy firms, pledged to build 80 FCV fuelling stations by 2022 to help accelerate take-up of the technology.

The group includes Toyota Motor Corp, JXTG Nippon Oil & Energy, Honda, Nissan Motor, Idemitsu Kosan, Iwatani Corp, Tokyo Gas, Toho Gas and Air Liquide Japan Ltd.



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Fuel-cell revolution is already happening
MORRY MARKOWITZ June 11, 2018 @ 12:01 am

Launching a transformational product in any market requires a bold vision, and the growing hydrogen transportation revolution is no different. Hydrogen is powering everything from consumer light-duty vehicles, medium- and heavy-duty trucks, buses, forklifts, trains and much more. From Asia to Europe and across North America, we are already seeing considerable growth for hydrogen-powered fuel cell vehicles of all shapes and sizes, and a road map for the future.

Fuel cell vehicles are zero-emission vehicles that operate on electricity. However, rather that storing electricity from the grid in a battery, they generate power through a chemical process utilizing hydrogen fuel, where the only emission is water.

In the light-duty vehicle market, fuel cell vehicles replicate today's driving experience by offering 300 to 400 miles of range on a tank of fuel and refuel in just three to five minutes. Fuel cell vehicles from Toyota, Honda and Hyundai are sold and driven in California today.

California's experience with fuel cell vehicles tells a dynamic story. From their commercial launch, nearly 5,000 fuel cell cars and SUVs have been sold or leased to consumers. There are 35 retail hydrogen fueling stations open to the public, with 29 in development and several hundred planned. In the next few years, California projects that tens of thousands of fuel cell vehicles will be deployed across the state. A driver can travel nearly anywhere in the state and have access to a retail hydrogen fueling station.

Not a novelty

In the U.S., the hydrogen transformation will be more than just a California novelty. Toyota is working with industrial gas supplier Air Liquide to develop an initial network of 12 fueling stations in the Northeast corridor. These stations will be in the Boston and New York metropolitan areas, along with supporting stations in Connecticut and Rhode Island, allowing consumers to travel easily across the region. These stations will be online in the near future, and the vehicles are expected to follow shortly thereafter.

The hydrogen revolution is impacting more than just consumer cars. Fuel cells are powering our commercial transportation space today in a range of applications. All of these burgeoning vehicle markets are leading to growth in the necessary hydrogen infrastructure to support them.

One of the fastest-growing markets for fuel cell transportation and hydrogen fueling is the material handling sector, with more than 20,000 fuel cell-powered forklifts and lift trucks now operating in or awaiting delivery to warehouses, distribution centers and cold storage facilities across the U.S. and around the world. Global leaders including Amazon, Walmart, Home Depot, Sysco, Procter & Gamble and BMW are finding great benefit in switching from battery to fuel cell forklifts, including more efficiency, less downtime and more warehouse floor space enabled by the absence of expansive battery storage and recharging facilities. With each deployment comes the installation of hydrogen fueling at the facility and greater hydrogen infrastructure know-how. This market is expanding to include ground service equipment at airports and large industrial trucks at ports.

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Toyota is testing a fuel cell-powered Class 8 truck in the Port of Long Beach, Calif.

Scalable technology

Like the internal combustion engine, fuel cells are a scalable technology, and today the fuel cell vehicle industry is bringing zero-emission innovation to heavier-duty trucks. Toyota is testing a fuel cell-powered Class 8 truck in the Port of Long Beach, Calif. To support that, and the coming fuel cell trucks, FuelCell Energy is working with Toyota to build the world's first megawatt-scale 100-percent renewable-power hydrogen generation plant and fueling station at Long Beach. The facility will use biogas to generate the hydrogen that will fuel the heavy-duty fuel cell vehicles. The facility will be able to supply approximately 2.3 megawatts of electricity and 1,200 kilograms of hydrogen per day — enough to fuel 1,500 fuel cell cars.

Aside from Toyota, there are several other field demonstrations underway in Long Beach and Los Angeles to determine the feasibility of fuel cell-powered drayage trucks in port operations, and that's just the exciting beginning of this market.

Anheuser-Busch recently ordered up to 800 heavy-duty fuel cell trucks from startup Nikola Motors. FedEx Express is operating Plug Power fuel cells in its first fuel cell-powered delivery truck in New York state while rival UPS has its own in Sacramento, Calif. Following a successful adoption of hydrogen fuel cells for material handling at its primary Washington, D.C., network distribution center, the U.S. Postal Service is considering broader use of on- and off-road fuel cell vehicles across the country.

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Try harder loser. You look like you are running out of web sites to copy and paste from Cheesy LOL
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juliar wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 5:04pm:
Shell Oil and Toyota are getting an $8 million rebate to bring hydrogen refuelling to the Port of Long Beach.



Yep why am I not surprised that big oil is in the background on this. And no shortage of brain dead moreons to promote it for them. Go well go shell Cheesy LOL

And stupid Toyota had the opportunity to make plugin EV's or plugin hybrids but they squibbed it in favour of being loyal to Mr Shell. Kind of like how Nokia dropped the ball on Android Cheesy LOL
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Reply #161 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 5:30pm
 
And the shrunken head of the troll with the IQ of a deceased ant appears from under the floor boards.

And of course the attention seeking ridiculous retarded low IQ rubbish oozing from the shrunken head is ignored.

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It is happening all over the world at breakneck speed - the Hydrogen Energy Revolution as countries rush to get in first.

Australia wants to become a hydrogen exporter and pilot plants are already being tested.





Texas positioned to lead hydrogen revolution
Alan C. Lloyd and Michael E. Webber, For the Express-News Published 12:00 am CDT, Sunday, March 19, 2017
 
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The time is ripe for fuel cell electric vehicles, which combine hydrogen and oxygen. And it could be time for Texas ,which has accumulated excellent knowledge of the production, storage, transport and safe handling of hydrogen. Photo: Chris Ratcliffe /Bloomberg News / © 2017 Bloomberg Finance LP

The time is ripe for fuel cell electric vehicles, which combine hydrogen and oxygen. And it could be time for Texas ,which has accumulated excellent knowledge of the production, storage, transport and safe handling of hydrogen.

For decades Texas has been the largest producer of transportation fuels in the United States. Our refineries have produced gasoline, diesel and jet fuel that mobilized the nation and made the state rich. But based on current projections, demand for gasoline will decrease significantly in the coming decades because of a combination of fuel economy improvements and the dramatic shift to electric vehicles.

These trends could give Texas cause for worry because they might undercut global demand for gasoline. But Texas industry can also play a key role in the era of electrified transportation.

In the U.S., electric vehicles are expected to account for up to 35 percent of new car sales by 2030. Because of performance, energy diversity and environmental- and climate-related benefits and the impending arrival of autonomous vehicles, the surge in electric vehicles will continue worldwide. Furthermore, an increasing number of cities are proposing to ban diesel vehicles — most recently, Athens, Madrid, Mexico City and Paris, adding uncertainty to the future of light-duty diesel vehicles.

Currently, there are two ways to electrify vehicles — with fuel cells or with batteries. Most attention today is focused on battery electric vehicles, and given recent improvements, rightly so. However, fuel cell electric vehicles, which derive their electricity by combining hydrogen and oxygen from the air over a catalyst, with water being the only emission, are gaining traction with manufacturers. Fuel cells have been used by NASA for decades, so they just might be a space-age technology whose time has come.

Texas is ideally situated to be a leader in producing hydrogen for the new energy system and for the next generation of electrically powered vehicles. Texas is the largest producer in the nation of hydrogen and has accumulated excellent knowledge of the production, storage, transport and safe handling of hydrogen.

Texas also has excellent resources of natural gas — the main feedstock for manufacturing hydrogen — and of solar and wind, which can be used to produce renewable hydrogen by electrolyzing water. Hydrogen production and storage also can help to stabilize the electricity grid as more intermittent renewables come on line.

More broadly, hydrogen can be used to power turbines to create heat and electricity, as a feedstock in several industrial applications such as the production of steel and chemicals including ammonia for fertilizers, and in the semiconductor industry.

It seems clear that an energy transition is afoot, and hydrogen might play a key role in multiple sectors simultaneously.

The hydrogen society has been talked about for decades, but its potential has gained attention recently. For example, 13 major international companies recently created a Hydrogen Council to pool their resources to promote hydrogen in the energy transition. These companies invest about $2 billion per year on hydrogen and fuel cells.

To put it in context, that level of research investment is on par with traditional research and development budgets for the U.S. Department of Energy for all nonnuclear forms of energy combined.

Of the 13 companies in the council, three have significant operations in Texas — Air Liquide, Shell and Toyota. Air Liquide already is a major hydrogen producer in Texas. Shell has its U.S. corporate headquarters in Houston and has major oil and gas production and exploration, refinery and gas station network operations in the state. Toyota has a manufacturing plant in San Antonio and recently moved its U.S. corporate headquarters to Plano.

Texas has a great opportunity to join with these companies not only to be the leader for today’s fuel but to keep making money while the energy sector reduces its environmental footprint and gets transformed. This is where Texas has excelled — not through mandates but in partnering with industry to create an environment to attract business and create jobs.

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Now even backward bankrupt Western Australia being dragged under by the imposter Labor disaster is smelling the money from exporting hydrogen.




Can WA corner the market during the world's renewable hydrogen revolution?
By staff writers 31 August 2018 — 11:57am

WA could be at the centre of a global boom in hydrogen fuel, which is taking off in Japan and Korea as a source of renewable energy.

Premier Mark McGowan said the state government would establish a council to drive opportunities for the renewable hydrogen industry.

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Regional Development Minister Alannah MacTiernan with Australia's Chief Scientist Alan Finkel ahead of a WA conference on hydrogen fuel.

More than 300 national and international delegates are in Perth today at the state’s Renewable Hydrogen Conference, at the invitation of the WA Government.

"This Government is pushing for innovation, diversification and bold new ways to develop clean energies, grow exports and drive new job opportunities across regional WA," Mr McGowan said.

"As the world continues to transition to a low-emissions future, it is increasingly apparent that hydrogen can play an important role – and WA can be central to that future."

Hydrogen is a clean-burning fuel, and when made using renewable energy it is a carbon free fuel from production to utilisation.

It can be used in a range of industries – including transport and electricity generation – but can also be stored and exported.

Regional Development Minister Alannah MacTiernan said generating hydrogen required "vast stretches of land and high-quality renewable energy resources".

"This state has a long history of delivering energy and resources to the world, with established infrastructure and supply chains," she said.

"Now is the time to embrace this opportunity and drive forward the hydrogen industry and its place in WA – to realise the thousands of jobs this industry could create."

Key international markets such as Japan and Korea are choosing a substantial role for hydrogen in their future energy mix, the opportunities for WA to export its renewable energy via hydrogen are potentially significant.

Exploration of the opportunities for hydrogen will be driven by the Renewable Hydrogen Council, which will comprise of experts from the private and public sectors.

Delegates at today’s conference will hear from Australia’s Chief Scientist Dr Alan Finkel on his vision for hydrogen in Australia’s future and from the CSIRO on the National Hydrogen Roadmap, released last week.

Ms MacTiernan said the Renewable Hydrogen Council would report back to the government by early next year on the best ways to grow the industry.

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Isn't it funny how the conservatives change their tune about renewables when they can hatch up new ways of profiting from it Cheesy LOL

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Reply #165 - Sep 18th, 2018 at 5:47am
 
And the shrunken head of the troll with the IQ of a deceased ant appears from under the floor boards.

And of course the attention seeking ridiculous retarded low IQ rubbish oozing from the shrunken head is ignored.

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But ignoring the dingy drongo dribble - Is there anywhere the magic Hydrogen Energy Revolution has not touched ?




The Outer Hebrides and Air Products Lead the Renewable Hydrogen Revolution
May 21, 2008 Lehigh Valley, Pa.

Comhairle nan Eilean Siar and Air Products today announced they have signed an agreement to help bring renewable hydrogen technology to Stornoway, on the Island of Lewis in the Outer Hebrides.

Air Products will provide a dedicated hydrogen fuelling station and storage facilities for the Islands’ hydrogen-powered cars as part of the Comhairle’s Hebridean Hydrogen Seed (H2seed) project. The hydrogen fuelled vehicles will be used as pool vehicles for employees of the Comhairle, as well as for educational and public awareness campaigns.

The H2seed project is phase 2 of the Comhairle’s Hebridean Hydrogen Park plan. H2seed is establishing a renewably generated hydrogen supply chain in the Outer Hebrides, providing technology demonstration projects, delivering appropriate safety training to users and emergency services, and undertaking public awareness activities.

Air Products is the market leader in the development of hydrogen fuelling stations, having already installed over 20 mobile fuellers, built more than 80 stations worldwide, and taken part in over 50,000 vehicle fuellings.

Ian Williamson, Hydrogen Energy Systems Director, Europe, Middle East and Africafrom Air Products said:

“We are very pleased to become a partner in the delivery of one of the most innovative projects in renewable hydrogen generation, distribution and practical application.

We look forward to bringing our extensive experience and expertise to Scotland, to the Hebridean Hydrogen Seed project, and to the communities of the Outer Hebrides.”

Ruairi MacIver, Project Manager, H2seed project said:

“We are delighted that Air Products will be a partner in the H2seed project; it gives us access to the world’s leading technology in hydrogen storage, dispensing and training.

The Outer Hebrides and Scotlandcan be proud to be taking the lead in developing renewable hydrogen production and distribution technology; we are setting an example that will be followed across the world.”


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Outer Hebrides Hydrogen Project
Comhairle nan Eilean Siar (the Western Isles Council) has a vision to establish a hydrogen economy within the Outer Hebrides. The Hebridean Hydrogen Seed (H2seed) project, the second phase of the Hebridean Hydrogen Park, will establish a renewable hydrogen production and distribution facility.

The region suffers from the highest fuel costs in the UK and yet is surrounded by the richest renewable energy resources in Europe. Exploitation of this resource for electrical generation is presently constrained by the weak nature of the region’s connection to the national grid.

These circumstances represent a unique opportunity, harnessing the rich renewable and sustainable energy resources for hydrogen generation and demonstrating pre-commercial hydrogen technologies on a near-commercial basis.

The Hydrogen fuelling station and storage facilities will be operational in October 2008.

The H2seed project is being delivered by Comhairle nan Eilean Siar, HIE-Innse Gall and the Stornoway Trust in conjunction with specialist advice from Lews Castle College, PURE Energy™ Centre LTD and NTDA Energia.

The project is part funded by the Scottish Government’s Renewable Hydrogen and Fuel Cell Support Scheme.

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Scotland's ORKNEY ISLANDS is going hydrogen big time.



BIG HIT PROJECT FUELS UP WITH ‘GREEN HYDROGEN’ IN ORKNEY ISLANDS
10TH MAY 2018

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ITM Power (AIM: ITM), the energy storage and clean fuel company, is pleased to note the announcement today, by the Scottish Hydrogen & Fuel Cell Association, of the first vehicle refuelling in Orkney as part of the Building Innovative Green Hydrogen Systems in an Isolated Territory (BIG HIT) project. The announcement is set out in full below.

Building Innovative Green Hydrogen systems in an Isolated Territory: a pilot for Europe (BIG HIT)

The first refuelling of a hydrogen vehicle in the Orkney Islands has taken place using locally produced, renewable
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Paul Wheelhouse, Surf n Turf project partners and suppliers with hydrogen fuel cell, mobile storage units and local ferry, Kirkwall Pier (Credit Colin Keldie)

The ‘Building Innovative Green Hydrogen Systems in an Isolated Territory’ (BIG HIT) project has carried out the first refuelling of the fleet of five, zero emission, Renault Kangoo vans equipped with the Symbio hydrogen range extender at the ITM Power refuelling station in Hatston. This is a major first step towards creating a genuine hydrogen territory in the Orkney Islands.

An important pilot project for Europe, BIG HIT is a five-year project, involving 12 participants based across six EU countries, funded in May 2016 by the EU FCH JU. The Orkney Islands of Scotland were chosen for this development because of the need to store excess renewable energy and utilise the stored energy locally for transport and heat. The project therefore represents a blue print for renewable hydrogen deployment for island systems and new hydrogen territories.

The Orkney Islands have over 50 MW of installed wind, wave and tidal capacity generating over 46 GWhr per year of renewable power and has been a net exporter of electricity since 2013. Energy used to produce the hydrogen for BIG HIT is provided by the community-owned wind turbines on the islands of Shapinsay and Eday, two of the islands in the Orkney archipelago.

At present the Shapinsay and Eday wind turbines are often ‘curtailed’, losing on average more than 30% of their annual output, limited by grid capacity restrictions in Orkney. This wasted energy from the locally owned Shapinsay wind turbine will be used by the BIG HIT project to produce renewable hydrogen using a 1 MW PEM electrolyser supplied by ITM Power. Storing excess renewable energy as renewable hydrogen in this way increases the utilisation of the installed wind capacity without the need to reinforce the grid connection.


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Sth Korea is already going Hydrogen big time. And Australia wants to export hydrogen to Sth Korea and Japan.




Doosan Corporation to supply large-scale hydrogen fuel cell power plant
By Joanna Sampson24 August 2018

Doosan Corporation has announced the start of its hydrogen (H2) fuel cell installation at Daesan Green Energy Fuel Cell Power Plant.

The fuel cell solutions company, that designs, manufactures and installs clean, efficient and reliable fuel cells, was selected as the fuel cell supplier for a H2 fuel cell project developed by Daesan Green Energy, an SPC (special purpose company) formed by Korea East-West Power and Hanwha Energy as major shareholders.

The 50 MW Doosan Fuel Cell system supplied to the Daesan Green Energy Fuel Cell Power Plant will be the world’s first large-scale fuel cell utilising H2 by-product during operation. Upon completion of its construction in 2020, the fuel cell power plant will contribute 400,000 MWh of electricity annually, powering 160,000 local homes each year.

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Source: Doosan Corporation

The project is significant in in its utilisation of H2 generated as a by-product of chemical processes in petrochemical complexes for commercial use. H2 by-product is generated by various industries worldwide, and countries like China and India are showing great interest in developing fuel cell power plants which utilise this by-product H2. Based on their generation of H2 by-product, it is estimated that in Korea and China, the capacity for fuel cell utilisation is roughly 3.5 GW and 1GW respectively.

This H2 fuel cell does not generate any air pollutants, but instead filters up to PM2.5(1 micron) through a microfilter system installed within the fuel cell, purifying air equivalent to the annual volume of air breathed by 350,000 people.

In some developed countries preparing for the H2 economy, such governments are actively supporting the H2 fuel cell industry; however, these efforts have been limited to demonstration levels of less than 1MW and have yet to be actualised in commercial generation facilities.


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Source: Doosan Corporation

The commercialisation of this 50 MW of H2 fuel cell power project is a critical turning point for the H2 economy and is garnering attention from the United States, China, Japan, and countries in the EU.

The project is also significant for Doosan Corporation, as the fuel cell system will be its largest deployment since entering the fuel cell market.

A company official stated, “We will continue to expand our presence in Korea and overseas through Doosan’s technological competitive advantage in the by- product H2 fuel cell market as well.”

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Australia gears up for the BIG Hydrogen Energy Revolution as it doesn't want to be left behind.




Hydrogen Mobility Australia moves closer to its vision for a hydrogen society for Australia
By Joanna Sampson22 August 2018

Hydrogen Mobility Australia (HMA) celebrated a significant milestone in its growth as a leading hydrogen (H2) industry advocate by holding its first Annual General Meeting (AGM) of its members, government observers and industry supporters – and welcomed three new companies.

BOC, ITM Power and Siemens will join existing directors Hyundai Australia and Toyota Australia in supporting HMA to achieve its mission of a H2 society for Australia.

HMA is delighted to welcome these organisations to the board who will bring new expertise, insights and experience to HMA and extend the association’s leadership beyond the automotive sector to new industries in recognition of the growing Australian H2 sector.

The AGM saw two major initiatives announced to support HMA meet its objective of accelerating the introduction of H2 and fuel cell technologies to Australia, which included the expansion of its board of directors and the launch of its new membership programme.

The programme supports the association’s objective to be representative of the H2 sector as a whole. Previously by invitation only, membership of HMA will be offered to all organisations with interests in H2 and who wish to support HMA’s work in policy advocacy and education. This new membership offering will commence from 1st October.

AGM proceedings also saw presentations from leading authorities in the H2 space, including the Chief Scientist of Australia, Dr. Alan Finkel who recently made a series of recommendations to COAG on the significant potential for the creation of a domestic and export H2 industry.

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Dr. Finkel’s H2 strategy aligns with the initiatives of CSIRO and ARENA, who both presented at the AGM, and will shortly release two H2 related studies - a blueprint for the development of an Australian H2 sector and a H2 export market study respectively. The H2 export opportunity in particular could be facilitated by the development of an ammonia to H2 membrane technology launched by CSIRO last week, the outcomes of which were similarly shared at the AGM.

Together, the work of the Chief Scientist, CSIRO and ARENA have had many commentators label August ‘H2 Month’ in recognition of the significant activity that is occurring on the role that H2 could play in Australia.

HMA and its members are highly motivated by the level of government commitment to exploring this exciting opportunity to create a new energy sector and urge all stakeholders to leverage the significant momentum being built and translate this into hydrogen projects across Australia, including hydrogen refuelling infrastructure.

Hydrogen Mobility Australia CEO, Claire Johnson said H2 could play a significant role in a sustainable energy system for Australia, and collaboration between the public and private sectors is essential to jump start the industry.

“H2 applications, including mobility, are being supported by governments globally to meet their climate, energy and economic goals. With Australia a potential supplier of H2 to the world, it is imperative of governments at all levels to work with industry to realise the full benefits of this opportunity, including the development of a H2 refuelling network across Australia,” Johnson said.

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Even frozen frigid Norway that burns Teslas to the ground at Tesla recharge Stations is rushing towards the very big Hydrogen revolution.

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Tesla S burns to the ground at Tesla Charger in Norway.




Construction begins on world’s largest electrolyser manufacturing plant
By Joanna Sampson23 August 2018

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The capacity of NEL Hydrogen at Notodden is expanded to deliver more than 160 major electrolyzers from 2020.

“We want to change the world and make renewable hydrogen (H2) mainstream, not a niche product like it is today,” said Nel ASA’s CEO as the Norwegian company announced today the construction of the world’s largest electrolyser manufacturing plant.

The total development will have a name plate capacity of 360MW/year, approximately ten times the current annual production capacity, and the new facility will accommodate the multi-billion NOK order from Nikola Motor Company.

The manufacturing plant will be constructed as an extension of the current facility at Notodden in Norway, with total planned investments of around NOK 150m ($18m).

“As a market leader, Nel is now stepping up to make available technology that can outcompete fossil alternatives like natural gas reforming,” CEO Jon André Løkke continued.

“This will be the world’s largest electrolyser manufacturing plant, fully automated and designed according to lean manufacturing principles, capable of making the most efficient electrolysers at a cost the world has never seen before.”

“This expansion will also fully support the ambitions of Nikola, as well as accommodate other customers wanting to make a significant change to their business model.”

During 2018, the Notodden facility was expanded from a production capacity of 25 to 40 MW/year, through debottlenecking and optimising the existing plant. After the first stage expansion, Nel has been awarded a contract for the delivery of 448 electrolysers to Nikola as part of Nikola’s development of a H2 station infrastructure in the US for trucks and passenger vehicles. Under the multi-billion NOK contract, Nel will deliver up to 1 GW of electrolysis plus fuelling equipment.

“We already have the largest and most sophisticated manufacturing plant for H2 fuelling equipment. Today, we confirm our leadership position also within electrolyser manufacturing, which will enable us to offer complete solutions at a benchmark price. The target is clear: customers should be able to switch from fossil to renewable solutions without compromising on cost,” Løkke added.

When fully expanded, optimized and ramped up, the total Notodden facility will be able to deliver up to 360 MW worth of electrolysers per year at a five-shift operation, representing more than 160 A485 units per year.

“The expansion is fully aligned with the Nikola roadmap and we will formally kick-off the project during the second half or 2018. The facility will be operational early 2020, and ramp-up will be aligned with customer requirements”, says Løkke.

The expansion of the Notodden facility represents investments of approximately NOK 150m and will add 30 to 40 new employees.

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Now the Hydrogen Energy revolution is elbowing diesel out of the train world. Is there no limit to this God Energy ?




World's First Zero-Emissions Hydrogen Trains Enter Service
Lorraine Chow Sep. 17, 2018 10:03AM EST

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The Coradia iLint. Alstom/René Frampe

The world's first hydrogen fuel cell train officially entered commercial service in the German state of Lower Saxony on Monday.

The Coradia iLint, developed by French railway manufacturer Alstom, features fuel cells that convert hydrogen and oxygen into electricity, emitting nothing but steam and water. The low-noise train can reach up to 140 kilometers (87 miles) per hour and accommodate up to 300 passengers.

Two such models entered service, replacing some of the noisy, diesel-fueled trains that had been in circulation. Alstom has plans to deliver another 14 Coradia iLints to Lower Saxony by 2021, according to a company press release. The state government has invested €81 million (about $94.7 million) for the technology.

Roughly 120 diesel trains in the existing fleet will reach the end of their lifetime within the next 30 years, meaning the new trains could be a sustainable and practical replacement going forward, a transport official noted
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"The emission-free drive technology of the Coradia iLint provides a climate-friendly alternative to conventional diesel trains, particularly on non-electrified lines," Bernd Althusmann, Lower Saxony's Minister of Economy and Transport, said in the release. "In successfully proving the operability of the fuel cell technology in daily service, we will set the course for rail transport to be largely operated climate-friendly and emission-free in the future."

Passengers will be able to take the new, bright blue trains on a 100-kilometer (62-mile) line running between Cuxhaven, Bremerhaven, Bremervörde and Buxtehude on a fixed timetable.

The two Coradia iLints are fueled at a mobile hydrogen filling station. Hydrogen gets pumped into the train via a 40-foot-high steel container next to the tracks at Bremervörde station. At a full tank, the train can run a full day with up to 1,000 kilometers (621 miles) of autonomy, a range similar to diesel trains. Excess energy is stored with onboard lithium batteries.

"This is a revolution for Alstom and for the future of mobility. The world's first hydrogen fuel cell train is entering passenger service and is ready for serial production," Henri Poupart-Lafarge, chairman and CEO of Alstom, said in the release. "The Coradia iLint heralds a new era in emission-free rail transport. It is an innovation that results from French-German teamwork and exemplifies successful cross-border cooperation."

Alstom said that Britain, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Italy and Canada are also looking into the technology, Agence France-Presse reported. France also wants hydrogen trains to be on its rails by 2022.

"Sure, buying a hydrogen train is somewhat more expensive than a diesel train, but it is cheaper to run," Stefan Schrank, the project's manager at Alstom, told AFP.

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Hydrogen Filling Station No. 50 opens in Germany. There's no stopping the Hydrogen Energy revolution now.




50th hydrogen station opens in Germany
By Joanna Sampson11 September 2018

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An important stage in the development of hydrogen (H2) mobility in has been celebrated in Germany with the commissioning of the 50th public H2 station.

Partners H2 MOBILITY, Linde and TOTAL inaugurated the station in the presence of representatives from the Fuel Cells and Hydrogen 2 Joint Undertaking (FCH JU), the European Union, the Federal Government, the Brandenburg Government and the city of Potsdam.

The station, located in Horstweg, southeast of Potsdam, has a 700-bar dispenser for cars, and a device for an optional 350-bar dispenser for bus refuelling, pre-installed. It received funding from the FCH JU.

Linde has provided the technology for the new H2 station at the TOTAL petrol station and enables the refuelling of around 40 vehicles per day.

The owner and operator is the joint venture H2 MOBILITY, in which the companies Air Liquide, Daimler, Linde, OMV, Shell and TOTAL have joined forces. The first goal of the partners is the operation of 100 stations in seven German conurbations (Hamburg, Berlin, Rhine-Ruhr, Frankfurt, Nuremberg, Stuttgart and Munich) and along highways and highways until 2019.

Bart Biebuyck, FCH JU’s Director, said, “The opening of the 50th H2 filling station in Germany shows Germany’s leading role in the development of H2 infrastructure in Europe. Thanks to the successful cooperation between H2 MOBILITY Deutschland and the flagship project of Hydrogen Mobility Europe (H2ME), the FCH JU, the EU is contributing to this rapid expansion of H2 stations in Germany. The findings from the H2ME project we will use to promote the development of the H2 infrastructure in other parts of Europe.”

Kathrin Schneider, Minister for Infrastructure and Regional Planning of the Land of Brandenburg, added, “An important goal of our mobility strategy is the further development and testing of alternative drive systems. However, new mobility technologies can only succeed if the right infrastructure is available. With the opening of the new gas station, we have come a long way today.”

Jens Waldeck, Linde Gas, Head of Central Europe, commented, “Already today, most H2 MOBILITY H2 refuelling stations work with Linde technology. We are proud to be able to equip the 50th with our proven IC90 technology - as one of the world’s largest manufacturers in this field, we have been pioneering the use of H2 as industrial gas in a wide variety of applications for more than a hundred years. In 2004, for example, we opened the first public H2 refuelling station in Germany and are therefore, out of conviction, a founding member and shareholder of H2 MOBILITY.”

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What a loser you are socko. Punters are already getting free charge ups from Teslas's super chargers. Do you think big oil is going to give away free hydrogen ? Cheesy LOL

Only one Hydrogen fool bowser in the whole of Norway vs 170,000 battery electric cars on the roads and stupid Toyota is pandering to big oil as usual. To difficult for them to put a mains connection on their hybrids. Can't have the punters charging them up at home from rooftop solar. Better to have big oil make the hydrogen for them from free renewable energy and then charge them for the privilege at the fool bowser Cheesy LOL

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The shrunken head of the troll appears from under the floorboards oozing ridiculous retarded rubbish SPAM.

Australia is going full speed ahead to win the supply of hydrogen to Japan. This export of hydrogen will be VERY BIG and worth Billions!!!!


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Japan’s hydrogen future may be fuelled by Australian renewables
27 July 2018

Renewable energy could drive Australia’s next resource boom as demand for hydrogen surges worldwide.

Since the meltdown at the Fukishima nuclear plant in 2011, the Japanese Government has accelerated its search for new energy sources, spending more than $16 billion on hydrogen research and development.

As an established energy exporter with proven infrastructure, two Australian projects are already being investigated with the goal of exporting hydrogen to power the 2020 Tokyo Olympics.

Hydrogen has a lot of upsides as a carrier of energy.

When created with a solar powered electrolyser it produces no emissions and releases only water vapor when used in a hydrogen fuel cell.

It can be created with excess renewable energy that would otherwise be wasted, and transported like natural gas.

It’s also is a versatile carrier of energy that can be used for a variety of applications.

One of the primary uses today is propelling rockets, but work is underway to explore the potential for hydrogen to replace natural gas in domestic applications.

With funding from ARENA, Western Australian gas supplier ATCO is building a display home to test how a cooktop, space heater and water boiler respond to different concentrations of hydrogen mixed with natural gas.

VIDEO: ATCO green hydrogen innovation hub


If trials are successful and the economics stack up, excess renewable energy could one day be stored as hydrogen in ATCO’s 14,000km network of gas pipelines.

Another growing market is in hydrogen fuel cell powered vehicles, which are already operating in taxi fleets across Sth Korea, Paris and London, and becoming a private transport option in California where they have set out to construct 200 refueling stations by 2025.

Closer to home, Melbourne’s Moreland City Council hopes to be collecting garbage with trucks converted from diesel to hydrogen drivelines by mid-2019.

Japan working towards renewable ‘hydrogen society’

Since the Fukishima meltdown in 2011, almost 95% of Japan’s energy has come from imported fossil fuels. They are the world’s largest importers of LNG and second-largest importer of coal, behind only China.

However, that could change soon as Tokyo’s Governor is embracing hydrogen as a future energy source, working to establish a ‘hydrogen society’ in time for the 2020 Olympics.

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Hyundai Nexo hydrogen fuel cell powered crossover. Photo: Hyundai

Looking ahead from the Rio games in 2016, Governor Yoichi Masuzoe said “the 1964 Tokyo Olympics left the Shinkansen high-speed train system as its legacy. The upcoming Olympics will leave a hydrogen society as its legacy.”

ARENA is supporting the development of an Australian hydrogen industry, launching a funding round in late 2017 to accelerate innovation in the creation, transportation and transformation of hydrogen into energy at the point of use. Successful applicants will be announced soon.

ARENA CEO Ivor Frischknecht said there is an opportunity for Australia to export our renewable energy export to the world. “Australian resources have been exported around the world for decades, and renewable energy presents a new opportunity to capitalize on our natural riches,” Ivor Frischknecht said.

“Today Australia exports approximately three quarters of the energy it produces, in the form of coal and gas. As demand for these resources cools over coming decades, we want our renewables industry to be ready to provide the energy to supply the world’s future needs. “ARENA is supporting innovation across the hydrogen supply chain, aiming to make renewable hydrogen commercial and competitive, both here and around the world,” he said.

Japanese-Qld partnership to produce renewable hydrogen

Two proposals are on the table for Australia to create and export the hydrogen required to meet Jap demand ahead of the Tokyo Olympics, where at least 6,000 cars and 100 buses will be powered by hydrogen fuel cells.

One project aims to take advantage of the Qld’s rich solar resources to power an electrolyser and create renewable ‘green’ liquid hydrogen.

The Qld Government expressed support for the Jap plan less than three months after Kawasaki Heavy Industries announced that they will partner with the Victorian and Commonwealth Governments to gassify brown coal to make non-renewable hydrogen in Victoria’s Latrobe Valley.

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Impression of Kawasaki Heavy Industry’s LH2 hydrogen transport ship

Under the proposal, Northern Oil will develop renewable hydrogen at its Yarwun refinery, which is close to the Gladstone deep water port and receives more than 300 days of sunshine every year.

Green hydrogen created will be shipped to Japan on specialised ocean tankers, which are already under development by Kawasaki Heavy Industries.

https://arena.gov.au/blog/hydrogen-future-australian-renewables/
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Australia's next BIG hydrogen export earner is looming HUGE on the horizon.


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Hydrogen fuel breakthrough in Queensland could fire up massive new export market
Exclusive by Lexy Hamilton-Smith Updated 8 Aug 2018, 1:55pm

VIDEO: Filling up a hydrogen-powered car (ABC News)


RELATED STORY: Recycling solar promises 'green' hydrogen breakthrough
RELATED STORY: Why all the fuss about hydrogen cars?
RELATED STORY: CSIRO breakthrough could turn renewable hydrogen into export boom

Two cars powered by hydrogen derived from ammonia will be tested in Brisbane today thanks to a Queensland breakthrough that CSIRO researchers say could turn Australia into a renewable energy superpower.

Key points:
Australian fuel could soon be in high demand for hydrogen-powered cars across Asia
It's the first time hydrogen cars have been powered with a fuel derived from ammonia
Both Toyota and Hyundai have invested millions of dollars into hydrogen-powered cars


CSIRO principal research scientist Michael Dolan said it was a very exciting day for a project that has been a decade in the making.

"We started out with what we thought was a good idea, it is exciting to see it on the cusp of commercial deployment," he said.

What's the fuss about?

Tipped as the future of green motoring, hydrogen cars are virtually emissions-free and both simple and fast to refuel.
For the past decade, researchers have worked on producing ultra-high purity hydrogen using a unique membrane technology.

The membrane breakthrough will allow hydrogen to be safely transported and used as a mass production energy source.

"We are certainly the first to demonstrate the production of very clean hydrogen from ammonia," Dr Dolan said.

"Today is the very first time in the world that hydrogen cars have been fuelled with a fuel derived from ammonia — carbon-free fuel."

Program leader David Harris said Australia has a huge source of renewable energy — sunlight and wind — that can be utilised to produce hydrogen.

But the highly flammable element is difficult to ship long distances because of its low density.

CSIRO researchers found a way to turn Australian-made hydrogen into ammonia, meaning it could be shipped safely to the mass market of Asia.

Read the full exciting story here

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-08/hydrogen-fuel-breakthrough-csiro-game-chan...
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Reply #178 - Sep 19th, 2018 at 5:05pm
 
Hydrogen is the future.

The revolution hasn't started yet but it needs to.

But why such a combative take?

We should be pushing more alternatives to carbon-based fuels and let them grow.

That said, Hydrogen is the future.
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Reply #179 - Sep 19th, 2018 at 5:50pm
 
Why would I pay big oil for bottled solar PV when I can generate solar energy at home and charge up a battery electric car without paying a single dime to big oil ?

You people are dreaming if you think hydrogen is the future Cheesy LOL
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Hydrogen is one of the few truly clean fuel sources.

If we don't at least try to transition to it, we're stupid.
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The shrunken head of the troll appears briefly from under the floor boards and spams some incoherent ridiculous retarded rubbish and then thankfully disappears.The utter ignorance and low IQ of the shrunken head defies description.


Sad Kangaroo you are many times more intelligent than that silly childish backward troll with the shrunken head.

From the many references I have collected from all around the world it is clear that hydrogen is the fuel of choice for large vehicles like trucks and trains because the Lithium ion battery for such applications would be so large that it would present a safety hazard as the normal rough ride of a heavily loaded truck could be enough to cause the lithium to spontaneously ignite.

Japan and Sth Korea and California are already well on the way to swinging over to hydrogen.

The BIG weakness of electrics is the long recharge time and the heavy dangerous lithium battery and the ever present range anxiety as cold weather, traffic congestion, etc can dramatically reduce the range.

You don't have to be very clever to realize the long queues that will form at recharge points when it takes a half hour or longer to recharge each car. Compare this to the 10 minutes or so at a petrol station and queues even form there.

Using fast recharge shortens the life of the battery due to overheating and generally stressing the battery.

The other very big thing against particularly Teslas is the ever present risk of the whole thing catching fire and/or suddenly accelerating without warning.

And the overloading of the power system with large numbers of electrics all recharging at once is a major concern as that places a constant steady load on the power system for many hours.

The very few who can use their solar system are lucky but they will need about 7 Tesla solar storage batteries and lots of extra solar panels to successfully be able to recharge their Tesla over night.

For Australia the very attractive concept is to create hydrogen using the otherwise useless renewable wind and solar and then convert the hydrogen to ammonia and then export the ammonia to Japan and Sth Asia.

Obviously the hydrogen infrastructure is all that is holding the widespread takeover of hydrogen back as hydrogen is a direct replacement for petrol and diesel.

Replacing diesel is a big objective in cities all around the world as diesel creates a lot of pollution. In Los Angeles already hydrogen trucks are being used to move containers from the shipyards.

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We certainly need better ways of harvesting or producing hydrogen for commercial grade implementation, but the simple fact that the "emissions" from burning it are only only truely non polluting for any combustion source, if we're going to retain combustion engines as a technology, it's the only way forward.

But we need far more improvements in efficiency and a greater focus on things like solar and other sources of renewable energy to help in the production of hydrogen.

There is no point polluting trying to create or extract it from water.

Then there are the other concerns of using water, an already far too scarce necessity, as a fuel source. It's similar to using a food source in corn as a source of ethanol but much worse.

This is where the space race comes in handy. The idea of extracting rocket fuel from frozen water from comets, the moon or Mars because it's just not feasible to take all that fuel with us, those advances in these technologies will only help us on earth towards these gosls.
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SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Hydrogen is one of the few truly clean fuel sources.

If we don't at least try to transition to it, we're stupid.


It maybe suitable for commercial transportation but for the average daily commutes in a car, battery electric vehicles are the future.
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The shrunken head of the troll appears from under the floor boards to spam some ridiculous retarded rubbish. what a dumb drongo.


Sad Kangaroo,

I believe the hydrogen can be electrolytically extracted from sea water using otherwise useless wind and solar as the very unreliable power source.

The islands that are now going hydrogen probably do it this way. Biogas can also be used as a feedstock I think I saw.

Internal combustion engines can be but are NOT used for hydrogen as the fuel cells are more efficient.
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juliar wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 9:53am:
The shrunken head of the troll appears from under the floor boards to spam some ridiculous retarded rubbish. what a dumb drongo.


Sad Kangaroo,

I believe the hydrogen can be electrolytically extracted from sea water using otherwise useless wind and solar as the very unreliable power source.

The islands that are now going hydrogen probably do it this way. Biogas can also be used as a feedstock I think I saw.

Internal combustion engines can be but are NOT used for hydrogen as the fuel cells are more efficient.


Yeh that's why Tesla's are in demand and your hydrogen pie in the sky is always on the drawing board because I've got a shrunken head. Socko you come right out of a comic book mate Cheesy LOL
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Reply #186 - Sep 21st, 2018 at 10:05am
 
The Shrunken head of that yucky troll appears from under the floor boards again oozing the usual ridiculous retarded rubbish.

Now Europe which has a lot of trouble with pollution from diesel cars is swinging wholesale over to hydrogen and passing by the gimmicky rather useless very inconvenient electric death traps.




European Nations Plan to Use More Hydrogen for Energy Needs
September 19, 2018 2:15 PM, EDT

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Hydrogen-fueled train in Germany A fuel cell train powered by hydrogen arrives in Bremervoerde, Germany. It is one of two trains that will go into regular service in 2019. (Philipp Schulze/dpa via AP)

BERLIN — Dozens of European countries are backing a plan to increase the use of hydrogen as an alternative to fossil fuels to cut the continent’s carbon emissions.

Energy officials from 25 countries pledged Sept. 18 to increase research into hydrogen technology and accelerate its everyday use to power factories, drive cars and heat homes.

The proposal, which was included in a nonbinding agreement signed in Linz, Austria, includes the idea of using existing gas grids to distribute hydrogen produced with renewable energy.

The idea of a “hydrogen economy,” in which fuels that release greenhouse gases are replaced with hydrogen, has existed for decades. Yet uptake on the concept has been slow, compared with other technologies.

Advocates of hydrogen say it can solve the problem caused by fluctuating supplies of wind, solar, hydro and other renewable energies. By converting electricity generated from those sources into hydrogen, the energy can be stored in large tanks and released again when needed.

Electric vehicles also can use hydrogen to generate power onboard, allowing manufacturers to overcome the range restrictions of existing batteries. Hydrogen vehicles can be refueled in a fraction of the time it takes to recharge a battery-powered vehicle.

On Sept. 17, the world’s first commuter train service using a prototype hydrogen-powered train began in northern Germany.

The European Union’s top climate and energy official said hydrogen could help the bloc meet its obligations to cut carbon emissions under the 2015 Paris accord. Miguel Arias Canete told reporters it also could contribute to the continent’s energy security by reducing imports of natural gas, much of which comes from Russia and countries outside of Europe.

Kirsten Westphal, an energy expert at the German Institute for International and Security Affairs, said encouraging the use of hydrogen as a means of storing and transporting energy makes sense but added the overall goal should be reducing fossil fuels rather than pushing a particular energy alternative.

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juliar wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 10:08am:
Slow loading where's that shrunken head ?


Socko the key word here is "plan to use" not is using. With hydrogen they are always planning to use it and probably only for their diesel loco's and not their electric trains Cheesy LOL
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what you got for us today socko ? a hydrogen powered electric chair Cheesy LOL
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Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 10:00am:
juliar wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 9:53am:
The shrunken head of the troll appears from under the floor boards to spam some ridiculous retarded rubbish. what a dumb drongo.


Sad Kangaroo,

I believe the hydrogen can be electrolytically extracted from sea water using otherwise useless wind and solar as the very unreliable power source.

The islands that are now going hydrogen probably do it this way. Biogas can also be used as a feedstock I think I saw.

Internal combustion engines can be but are NOT used for hydrogen as the fuel cells are more efficient.


Yeh that's why Tesla's are in demand and your hydrogen pie in the sky is always on the drawing board because I've got a shrunken head. Socko you come right out of a comic book mate Cheesy LOL


Tesla's are available now but rely on another source of power generation.

They're a step in the right direction and I love the tech in the cars.

Hydrogen is but one possibility for the future.  But it will rely on a robust renewables industry otherwise it will face the same issues as Tesla, relying on an energy source that isn't clean.

If any bases or colonies on the moon or even other planets will survive, they're going to need to generate hydrogen and oxygen from the frozen water on these bodies.

If ever we aim for the starts the technology needs to be developed to do that.  Funding for organisations like NASA will lead to these improvements for these missions, but we here on earth will benefit via the advances in these techs.

But that's the future.
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Sad kangaroo the hydrogen reality is VERY BIG and a lot closer than you realize.

The hydrogen reality is here in Australia now after brilliant CSIRO invention.

Australia looking to export hydrogen as ammonia. This is VERY BIG EXPORT!!!!

https://www.facebook.com/7NewsBrisbane/videos/2063356103677231/



While dangerous Tesla cars crash and burn

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Reply #196 - Sep 25th, 2018 at 10:42am
 
juliar wrote on Sep 25th, 2018 at 9:03am:
Sad kangaroo the hydrogen reality is VERY BIG and a lot closer than you realize.

The hydrogen reality is here in Australia now after brilliant CSIRO invention.

Australia looking to export hydrogen as ammonia. This is VERY BIG EXPORT!!!!

https://www.facebook.com/7NewsBrisbane/videos/2063356103677231/



While dangerous Tesla cars crash and burn

https://cdn.drivemag.net/media/default/0001/62/Tesla-Model-S-on-fire-in-Austria-...



I know you have a hate boner for Teslas, but do you know the % of their cars that catch fire vs a regular car after a crash?

These one off out of context posts about Teslas don't paint a true picture, which I assume is your intention.
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Sad Kanga, your misconception about the danger of sitting on a lithium fire bomb in a still experimental untested Tesla "car" are understandable. The safety of all electrics will improve with the new Jaguar, Mercedes, Volkswagen entrants who have the resources to fully test their cars.

Another example of innovation between Australia and Japan – the Hydrogen Energy Supply Chain pilot will develop a new export industry and jobs in the growing hydrogen energy market expected to reach US$2.5 trillion by 2050.

The Hydrogen Energy Revolution is much more than a few cars. it is a whole new energy transformation of the world into the future.


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Hydrogen offers significant exporting potential for Australia
News DATE 17 August 2018

Australia is in a strong position to take advantage of the growing hydrogen export market, according to a new report released today by the Australian Renewable Energy Agency (ARENA).

The report, prepared for ARENA by ACIL Allen Consulting, identifies opportunities for Australia to export hydrogen to help meet the potential future global demand.

Over the next decade, Australia could seize on the opportunity to export hydrogen as significant increase in demand for green hydrogen, ARENA Chief Executive Officer Ivor Frischknecht said.

“Hydrogen has long been talked about as a potential energy source. Hydrogen produces no carbon emissions when burned – only water vapour and heat, and produces more energy per kilogram than natural gas,” he said.

Green or clean hydrogen can be produced via electrolysis from renewable electricity, or can be produced using fossil fuels with the emissions then captured and sequestered. Hydrogen could then be exported by liquefying it, or by converting it to a carrier such as ammonia.

“Australia has a golden opportunity to become a major exporter of hydrogen, as other countries look to transition to low carbon energy sources,” Mr Frischknecht said.

“If Australia can tap into our abundant wind and solar resources to produce hydrogen using renewable energy, we could export hydrogen at large scale,” he said.

With the right conditions, Australian hydrogen exports could contribute $1.7 billion per annum to the economy and provide 2,800 jobs by 2030, the report found.

Four countries – Japan, China, the Republic of Korea and Singapore – are identified in the report as prospective markets for Australian hydrogen by 2025.

“While countries like Japan and Korea look to decrease emissions and increase renewable options, they are looking to import hydrogen at large scale but there are as yet no exporters,” Mr Frischknecht said.

According to the report, Australia is in a competitive position in regards to potential exports to Asia due to its location, excellent renewable energy resources, well established energy trading relationships and experience in large scale energy infrastructure construction.

But Australia is not alone, as countries like Norway, the United States and Middle Eastern countries are also likely to scale up their capability to export hydrogen.

“The sector is still in its infancy which places Australia in a prime position to utilise its abundant renewable resources, as well as proven track record of exporting energy and strong relationships with energy importers to become a major player in exporting hydrogen to Asia and around the globe,” Mr Frischknecht said.

A hydrogen export market has also been identified to benefit regional communities as hydrogen production facilities are likely to be located close to the supply of renewable energy, particularly large scale solar farms, the report found.

Exporting renewables including hydrogen is one of ARENA’s four investment priorities.

In December, ARENA announced a $20 million funding round into research and development in exporting hydrogen.

ARENA is also one of the leading agencies involved in the Hydrogen Strategy Group.

Dr Alan Finkel AO, the Chief Scientist and Chair of the Hydrogen Strategy Group today released the Group’s briefing paper prepared for COAG Energy Council, which ARENA welcomed.

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How to become deceased in a still experimental untested unsafe Tesla "car".

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Reply #199 - Sep 25th, 2018 at 10:20pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 25th, 2018 at 10:42am:
juliar wrote on Sep 25th, 2018 at 9:03am:
Sad kangaroo the hydrogen reality is VERY BIG and a lot closer than you realize.

The hydrogen reality is here in Australia now after brilliant CSIRO invention.

Australia looking to export hydrogen as ammonia. This is VERY BIG EXPORT!!!!

https://www.facebook.com/7NewsBrisbane/videos/2063356103677231/



While dangerous Tesla cars crash and burn

https://cdn.drivemag.net/media/default/0001/62/Tesla-Model-S-on-fire-in-Austria-...



I know you have a hate boner for Teslas, but do you know the % of their cars that catch fire vs a regular car after a crash?

These one off out of context posts about Teslas don't paint a true picture, which I assume is your intention.


juliar hopes that nobody asks to many questions about other types of cars catching fire.

See this. 10 cars you should never buy and none of them are Teslas. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1537877919/0#0




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Reply #201 - Sep 25th, 2018 at 11:24pm
 
juliar wrote on Sep 25th, 2018 at 11:10pm:
The shrunken head of the troll appears from under the floor boards still oozing ridiculous retarded rubbish. God that drongo is dumb and couldn't argue her way out of a wet paper bag.  Probably could not finish primary School.


you'd know about being dumb socko Cheesy LOL
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Reply #202 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 7:17am
 
I gotta say, it's dissapointing when someone presents an argument, point of view or even facts that people don't agree with here, and their instant reaction is to lob out personal attacks.

Nothing say "you're right and I can't defend my opinion" better than ignoring someone's points and attacking them instead.

It's also slightly painful to watch Juliar have to continue to trash renewables while including them in what is required for hydrogen to be a clean energy alternative to Oil/Carbon based fuels.
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Reply #203 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 8:59am
 
Sad Kangaroo,

you mean well but you are clearly just merely scratching the surface.

I have done extensive research of the dangerous still experimental not fully tested unsafe Tesla "cars" and correctly point out that Tesla simply does not have the resources to fully test their experimental cars whereas the new entrants Mercedes, Volkswagen, Jaguar etc do and will significantly improve the safety of the rather inconvenient all electric cars.

The BIG BUGBEAR of the all electrics is the long recharge time and that they are mostly restricted to only cars as the battery size for large trucks is simply too large and too unsafe.

Now look at the actual problems that many cities have with pollution from DIESEL TRUCKS especially those moving containers from the wharves.

Hence Hydrogen looms BIG on the horizon as hydrogen works quite well in large trucks and is in fact being used in pollution plagued Los Angeles to move containers from the wharves.

Hydrogen has the HUGE advantage over the clumsy all electrics in that the refuel time is the same as for petrol or diesel and the range is much the same.

But cars and trucks are just the start for Hydrogen.

Japan and Sth Korea are already going over to hydrogen and they want to import hydrogen preferably from Australia.

Now Australia already has test plants operating to test the use of renewable wind and solar to produce hydrogen for export.

A problem with transporting hydrogen has been solved by the CSIRO where they convert hydrogen to ammonia which is quite easy to transport. At Japan and Sth Korea they extract the hydrogen from the ammonia.


And you will notice I ignore the childish emotional clap trap from the silly technically obtuse Tesla loving troll that follows me around like a lost puppy.
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Reply #205 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 9:40am
 
juliar wrote on Sep 26th, 2018 at 8:59am:
Sad Kangaroo,

you mean well but you are clearly just merely scratching the surface.

I have done extensive research of the dangerous still experimental not fully tested unsafe Tesla "cars" and correctly point out that Tesla simply does not have the resources to fully test their experimental cars whereas the new entrants Mercedes, Volkswagen, Jaguar etc do and will significantly improve the safety of the rather inconvenient all electric cars.

The BIG BUGBEAR of the all electrics is the long recharge time and that they are mostly restricted to only cars as the battery size for large trucks is simply too large and too unsafe.



What testing have you done on hydrogen cars socko ? Got one to test yet Cheesy LOL

As for charge times why do you always look at a full charge cycles when in most cases it's just a top-up that is required and something that can be done whilst most normal people are asleep but I guess being normal kind of rules you out doesn't it socko Wink

And you forgot to tell us that all Tesla model S owners get free charge-ups from super charging stations. Lets see if your hydrogen mates can offer that deal Wink
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Reply #206 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 10:47am
 
juliar wrote on Sep 26th, 2018 at 8:59am:
I have done extensive research of the dangerous still experimental not fully tested unsafe Tesla "cars"


I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but the way you frame your argument is one of immense bias.

Usually, this is the sort of argument you hear when people say "I've done extensive research on toxic "vaccinations" and..." but it turns out they read something on a blog.

But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Telstra have their place, they are a car that, aside from their construction, produce no emissions.  They get people thinking about that issue, emission and climate change.

And more importantly, they do it without looking like a Prius or being a golf cart.

They have some amazing tech in them, but they are not the solution to our problems.

They have their place and they're a great stepping stone, but if you care about climate change and entire countries trying to transition away from coal, oil and other carbon based fuels, we shouldn't be attacking anyone making positive steps, even if just a "cool awareness" of the issues.

Now while the concious mind wants to give you the benefit of the doubt, I've seen how you trash renewables and even the notion of climate change, especially when attacking the Labor Party on a Federal and especially a state level in SA. 

So of course, my gut reaction is to question your motives, but I'll try not to.

Bottom line is, we need to invest in the tech of the future.  A space race to colonise the Moon or a race to Mars, even a hybrid of the two (the moon as a launching pad for the trip to Mars makes sense) we'll all benefit from it.

Since fuel is hard to get into space, investing in the tech of harvesting frozen water from the Moon or even asteroids and converting that to hydrogen and oxygen (aka rocket fuel), that tech can be used at home!

But the fight against climate change also ends up being a fight against NASA.  Which means less money for them and a tech boom from a space race is a farfetched dream.
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Reply #207 - Sep 27th, 2018 at 9:57am
 
The Village Idiot Troll Virus is displaying her usual inability to post anything other than slagging off at another poster whose superior education and ability she so envies and admires.

With sub 10 IQ wonder if she ever finished Primary School ?


Sad Kangaroo,

you are slowly going beyond just scratching the surface as you slowly gain some real practical understanding.

You have the usual automatic reaction to denounce genuine discussion.

Unlike the uneducated technically obtuse jealous troll type that follows me around like a lost puppy I do not just mouth off the decaying rubbish in my MT head as I do actual research into the topic as can EASILY be seen by looking at the many articles I have presented.

In any case it matters not one iota whether you can grasp the facts or not as the world will continue on without you.

I refer to actual factual articles from around the world and discuss these which annoys the Greeny types immensely as they just cannot handle the TRUTH.


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Slightly bent Tesla S after quite common front ender.

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Gee these Teslas really burn don't they ? Just imagine if you were sitting in there on top of the lithium fire bomb.


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Reply #209 - Sep 27th, 2018 at 1:53pm
 
juliar wrote on Sep 27th, 2018 at 9:57am:
Sad Kangaroo,

you are slowly going beyond just scratching the surface as you slowly gain some real practical understanding.

You have the usual automatic reaction to denounce genuine discussion.

Unlike the uneducated technically obtuse jealous troll type that follows me around like a lost puppy I do not just mouth off the decaying rubbish in my MT head as I do actual research into the topic as can EASILY be seen by looking at the many articles I have presented.

In any case it matters not one iota whether you can grasp the facts or not as the world will continue on without you.

I refer to actual factual articles from around the world and discuss these which annoys the Greeny types immensely as they just cannot handle the TRUTH.


https://cs.copart.com/v1/AUTH_svc.pdoc00001/PIX134/8537630a-a5c7-49e1-b34f-0e6d6...
Slightly bent Tesla S after quite common front ender.



Mate, you're cherry-picking information to avoid genuine discussion. 

And the stupid thing is, for the main topic of this thread, I agree with you, the world may not be, but they should be rushing towards Hydrogen.

But because you have an agenda to push, you're attacking one of the few people that actually agree with you in this thread.

To achieve the topic of the thread, you're going to need to push aside your denial of climate change and your attacks on the like of NASA.

It can't be done without them.
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Reply #210 - Sep 28th, 2018 at 5:49am
 
this is why hydrogen unfortunately wont work
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1526879297

The idea that we will use solar panels or wind to convert hydrogen into ammonia then put it on a boat to send to another country then they have to remove the hydrogen and r left with sludge, all the while their own wind and solar will be sitting around doing nothing...….
Awesome idea  Cheesy
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Reply #211 - Sep 28th, 2018 at 11:11am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 27th, 2018 at 1:53pm:
juliar wrote on Sep 27th, 2018 at 9:57am:
Sad Kangaroo,

you are slowly going beyond just scratching the surface as you slowly gain some real practical understanding.

You have the usual automatic reaction to denounce genuine discussion.

Unlike the uneducated technically obtuse jealous troll type that follows me around like a lost puppy I do not just mouth off the decaying rubbish in my MT head as I do actual research into the topic as can EASILY be seen by looking at the many articles I have presented.

In any case it matters not one iota whether you can grasp the facts or not as the world will continue on without you.

I refer to actual factual articles from around the world and discuss these which annoys the Greeny types immensely as they just cannot handle the TRUTH.


https://cs.copart.com/v1/AUTH_svc.pdoc00001/PIX134/8537630a-a5c7-49e1-b34f-0e6d6...
Slightly bent Tesla S after quite common front ender.



Mate, you're cherry-picking information to avoid genuine discussion. 

And the stupid thing is, for the main topic of this thread, I agree with you, the world may not be, but they should be rushing towards Hydrogen.

But because you have an agenda to push, you're attacking one of the few people that actually agree with you in this thread.

To achieve the topic of the thread, you're going to need to push aside your denial of climate change and your attacks on the like of NASA.

It can't be done without them.


congratulations, you are now part of juliar's shrunken head club just because you diaagreed with it Cheesy LOL
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Reply #212 - Sep 28th, 2018 at 11:16am
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Sep 28th, 2018 at 5:49am:
this is why hydrogen unfortunately wont work
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1526879297

The idea that we will use solar panels or wind to convert hydrogen into ammonia then put it on a boat to send to another country then they have to remove the hydrogen and r left with sludge, all the while their own wind and solar will be sitting around doing nothing...….
Awesome idea  Cheesy


and what about the excess solar PV capacity on everyone's rooftop that could be used to charge up a battery EV ? With a hydrogen car you cannot take advantage of this free and otherwise wasted resource Sad




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Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 28th, 2018 at 11:16am:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Sep 28th, 2018 at 5:49am:
this is why hydrogen unfortunately wont work
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1526879297

The idea that we will use solar panels or wind to convert hydrogen into ammonia then put it on a boat to send to another country then they have to remove the hydrogen and r left with sludge, all the while their own wind and solar will be sitting around doing nothing...….
Awesome idea  Cheesy


and what about the excess solar PV capacity on everyone's rooftop that could be used to charge up a battery EV ? With a hydrogen car you cannot take advantage of this free and otherwise wasted resource Sad





ohh your wrong there nails, for a measly 1 million dollars and five times the solar energy needed for a battery u can get a hydrogen converter and pump installed in your house. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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The Village Idiot Troll VIRI are showing what happens if you don't eat your greens.
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Ever so slightly bent Tesla X - reminds you of the mental state of the Village Idiot Troll Viri

Front enders are very common with Tesla unsafe still experimental untested gimmicky funeral cars - maybe they don't stop all that well or is it the sudden unexpected acceleration that occurs at times ?

And the front suspension is so shoddy the wheels break off.

The arrival of electrics from Mercedes, Volkswagen, and Jaguar (and disappearance of Tesla ?) should see a big improvement in safety.

But there is still the ever present danger of sitting on a lithium fire bomb just waiting to burst into flames.


It will be a very welcome relief to all when the vastly safer and much more practical hydrogen powered cars, trucks, trains, ships, etc take over.


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Germany's first hydrogen powered train sets the inevitable trend




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Reply #216 - Sep 30th, 2018 at 7:23pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Sep 29th, 2018 at 6:12am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 28th, 2018 at 11:16am:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Sep 28th, 2018 at 5:49am:
this is why hydrogen unfortunately wont work
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1526879297

The idea that we will use solar panels or wind to convert hydrogen into ammonia then put it on a boat to send to another country then they have to remove the hydrogen and r left with sludge, all the while their own wind and solar will be sitting around doing nothing...….
Awesome idea  Cheesy


and what about the excess solar PV capacity on everyone's rooftop that could be used to charge up a battery EV ? With a hydrogen car you cannot take advantage of this free and otherwise wasted resource Sad





ohh your wrong there nails, for a measly 1 million dollars and five times the solar energy needed for a battery u can get a hydrogen converter and pump installed in your house. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


wow 1 million sounds like a bargain. The pay back period might be a 1000 years Cheesy LOL
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Reply #217 - Oct 1st, 2018 at 5:42am
 
Wonder what the Village Idiot Troll VIRUS would be like if he/she had a working brain ?

Does this demented Village Idiot Troll VIRUS really think anyone ever bothers to look at those silly YouTube rubbish videos ?
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Well no one certainly bothers to read your cut and paste crap socko Cheesy LOL
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Wonder what the Village Idiot Troll VIRUS would be like if he/she had a working brain ?  Dangerous ?
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Hey socko Elon Musk reckons hydrogen is a bad idea. Hard to disagree with him after watching this Wink

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Wonder what the Village Idiot Troll VIRUS would be like if he/she had a working brain ?  Dangerous ?

And the dumb drongo gets another one of those retarded useless youtube videos that nobody ever watches.

The danger of a missing mind. Brain defect ?


And in cold weather the Tesla regen brakes DO NOT WORK - hence the high number of front end smashes.

Also there is the unfortunate tendency of Teslas to suddenly accelerate without warning.


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And unsubscribe.

You're being too much of a dickhead Juliar, even for you.  Toxic thread.
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juliar wrote on Oct 3rd, 2018 at 7:44am:
Wonder what the Village Idiot Troll VIRUS would be like if he/she had a working brain ?  Dangerous ?

And the dumb drongo gets another one of those retarded useless youtube videos that nobody ever watches.

The danger of a missing mind. Brain defect ?


And in cold weather the Tesla regen brakes DO NOT WORK - hence the high number of front end smashes.

also there is the unfortunate tendency of Teslas to suddenly accelerate without warning.


https://cs.copart.com/v1/AUTH_svc.pdoc00001/PIX134/19b54b2a-5c67-4b8e-9420-cbc07...
Screeecch smaaash!!! Another Tesla S can't stop.



Ohh dear Jules do u know what regenative braking is ?  U do realize it isn’t a brake don’t u Wink Wink
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Reply #224 - Oct 3rd, 2018 at 9:31am
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Oct 3rd, 2018 at 8:41am:
juliar wrote on Oct 3rd, 2018 at 7:44am:
Wonder what the Village Idiot Troll VIRUS would be like if he/she had a working brain ?  Dangerous ?

And the dumb drongo gets another one of those retarded useless youtube videos that nobody ever watches.

The danger of a missing mind. Brain defect ?


And in cold weather the Tesla regen brakes DO NOT WORK - hence the high number of front end smashes.

also there is the unfortunate tendency of Teslas to suddenly accelerate without warning.


https://cs.copart.com/v1/AUTH_svc.pdoc00001/PIX134/19b54b2a-5c67-4b8e-9420-cbc07...
Screeecch smaaash!!! Another Tesla S can't stop.



Ohh dear Jules do u know what regenative braking is ?  U do realize it isn’t a brake don’t u Wink Wink


when the punters are getting something back for nothing the conservatives always think it is a bad idea. They like to see all of that fossil fool energy converted to movement then completely wasted heating up brake rotors instead of stored for later use Sad
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Reply #225 - Oct 3rd, 2018 at 9:32am
 
juliar wrote on Oct 3rd, 2018 at 7:44am:
Wonder what the Village Idiot Troll VIRUS would be like if he/she had a working brain ?  Dangerous ?

And the dumb drongo gets another one of those retarded useless youtube videos that nobody ever watches.

The danger of a missing mind. Brain defect ?


And in cold weather the Tesla regen brakes DO NOT WORK - hence the high number of front end smashes.

also there is the unfortunate tendency of Teslas to suddenly accelerate without warning.


https://cs.copart.com/v1/AUTH_svc.pdoc00001/PIX134/19b54b2a-5c67-4b8e-9420-cbc07...
Screeecch smaaash!!! Another Tesla S can't stop.




another reported car crash Cheesy LOL
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The neurotic trolls with the minds of backward children in adult bodies are quick to show their gross ignorance of even basic tech stuff.

These backward trolls are like fish out of water in a technical section which far exceeds the capacity of their meager mentalities.

Even Sad Kanga can't cope with factual tech stuff.

Just to rub their technically ignorant mugs in it a Tesla battery in cold weather cannot accept any charge and so the regen braking does not work. The battery has to be heated before it can accept any charge in cold weather.

But the grossly technically ignorant trolls won't be able to understand a word of this.

it would be wonderful if there was another poster with an IQ > 10 to intelligently discuss tech stuff with instead of these backward Village Idiot Troll VIRI who just neurotically try to get noticed.


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The technical ignorance of the Village Idiot Troll VIRI defies description.
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and what is your qualification again socko ? Cheesy LOL
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for September Tesla sold 29000 cars and Toyota sold 140 hydrogen cars...…... Wink
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And rushing out from under the floor boards the Village Idiot Troll VIRUS is quick to defend his/her appalling technical ignorance.

The thing is you need an IQ > 10 to understand technical stuff and so the Village Idiot Troll VIRI don't stand a chance.

Geez these deprived Village Idiot Troll VIRI must be really neurotically hard up for compliments and recognition the way they follow me, their HERO, around like lost puppies.
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The BIG STUFF is where the puny all electrics with their dangerous heavy Lithium Fire Bombs just CANNOT compete.

Pollution from large diesel trucks carting containers from the wharves is a major source of pollution in seaside cities and pollution free HYDROGEN provides the perfect answer for LARGE TRUCKS with quick refuel and long range and SAFETY from heavy Lithium Fire Bombs exploding into a raging inferno.

So while unsafe Teslas keep crashing into things and end up in junkyards BIG SAFE HYDROGEN just powers on.





Kenworth debuts a fuel cell-powered T680
Tom Quimby | January 22, 2018
   
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Earlier this month, Kenworth made headlines by exhibiting for the first time at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas and bringing along its zero-emission, hydrogen fuel cell T680.

The high tech day cab, which was part of the PACCAR Innovations booth, gave thousands of visitors a chance to not only see the latest in hydrogen fuel cell tech, but also to learn more about Kenworth’s trial runs in the Seattle area and its plans for real-world testing with Total Transportation Services at the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach.

The Kenworth T680 day cab’s fuel cell combines compressed hydrogen gas and air to produce electricity with only water vapor emitted at the tailpipe. This electricity can power the dual-rotor electric motor to move the truck up to its top speed of 65 mph, or it can recharge the 100 kHw lithium-ion battery pack for later use.

The hybrid drive system manages the power from the fuel cell to and from the batteries, as well as the traction motors and other components, such as the electrified power steering and brake air compressor.

VIDEO: Kenworth powers onwards on HYDROGEN


Hydrogen fuel cell technology continues to attract the attention of those interested in alt fuels primarily for four reasons: it offers zero emissions, lower fuel costs, hydrogen is a renewable fuel and, unlike all-electric vehicles, it only take minutes–not hours–to refuel a fuel cell.

Those concerned with the effects of methane on the ozone layer (methane, according to the California Air Resources Board, presents a much greater threat than carbon dioxide), can breathe easy knowing that methane at dairy farms and landfills can be rendered into renewable natural gas, which in turn, can be processed into hydrogen. Yes, cow poop can fuel a Kenworth.


Kenworth reports that the fuel cell T680 has been performing very well in trial tests. It has a current range of 150 miles and can carry the legal gross combination weight of a Class 8 vehicle.

“Our testing shows that this truck performs equally as well, if not better than, current diesel trucks on the market,” said Stephan Olsen, Kenworth director of product planning.

We caught up with Olsen recently to learn more. Our Q+A is below.

How much weight is in batteries?
Olsen: Batteries themselves are 2,000 pounds, but with battery management, high voltage cable, coolant lines, enclosure, mounting, etc., we’re up to about 2,800 pounds.

Can the 150-mile range be increased? If so, how?
Olsen: It is very simple to increase the range: merely use a larger set of hydrogen tanks. Similar to diesel trucks, we expect that we’ll need to provide several sizes of tank capacity to match customers’ route profiles.

What’s maintenance been like thus far compared to a conventional T680?
Olsen: Maintenance needs on this type of vehicle will be quite small: replace an air filter element annually, drain & refill coolant every other year, change oil in transmission in 5 years, that kind of thing.

When can interested parties test drive, lease and/or buy the truck?
Olsen: This is just a proof of concept vehicle at this time. The development cycle for this technology will take 3 to 4 years to complete.

We’ll keep up with Kenworth’s fuel cell T680 following its transition to the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach where it will be put to work as a drayage truck.

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juliar wrote on Oct 4th, 2018 at 1:36pm:
And rushing out from under the floor boards the Village Idiot Troll VIRUS is quick to defend his/her appalling technical ignorance.

The thing is you need an IQ > 10 to understand technical stuff and so the Village Idiot Troll VIRI don't stand a chance.

Geez these deprived Village Idiot Troll VIRI must be really neurotically hard up for compliments and recognition the way they follow me, their HERO, around like lost puppies.


always coming out of the floorboards again Cheesy LOL Which comic book did they get you from socko ? Cheesy LOL
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juliar wrote on Oct 4th, 2018 at 1:52pm:
Hydrogen fuel cell technology continues to attract the attention of those interested in alt fuels primarily for four reasons: it offers zero emissions, lower fuel costs, hydrogen is a renewable fuel and, [highlight]unlike all-electric vehicles, it only take minutes–not hours–to refuel a fuel cell.



Yeh but I like most normal people actually sleep at night, so I'm quite happy to charge up my EV whilst I am a asleep ready for the next days commute ! What do you do all night socko apart from looking at porno sites ? Cheesy LOL
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Reply #236 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 6:02am
 
juliar wrote on Oct 4th, 2018 at 1:52pm:
The BIG STUFF is where the puny all electrics with their dangerous heavy Lithium Fire Bombs just CANNOT compete.

Pollution from large diesel trucks carting containers from the wharves is a major source of pollution in seaside cities and pollution free HYDROGEN provides the perfect answer for LARGE TRUCKS with quick refuel and long range and SAFETY from heavy Lithium Fire Bombs exploding into a raging inferno.

So while unsafe Teslas keep crashing into things and end up in junkyards BIG SAFE HYDROGEN just powers on.





Kenworth debuts a fuel cell-powered T680
Tom Quimby | January 22, 2018
   
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Earlier this month, Kenworth made headlines by exhibiting for the first time at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas and bringing along its zero-emission, hydrogen fuel cell T680.

The high tech day cab, which was part of the PACCAR Innovations booth, gave thousands of visitors a chance to not only see the latest in hydrogen fuel cell tech, but also to learn more about Kenworth’s trial runs in the Seattle area and its plans for real-world testing with Total Transportation Services at the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach.

The Kenworth T680 day cab’s fuel cell combines compressed hydrogen gas and air to produce electricity with only water vapor emitted at the tailpipe. This electricity can power the dual-rotor electric motor to move the truck up to its top speed of 65 mph, or it can recharge the 100 kHw lithium-ion battery pack for later use.

The hybrid drive system manages the power from the fuel cell to and from the batteries, as well as the traction motors and other components, such as the electrified power steering and brake air compressor.

VIDEO: Kenworth powers onwards on HYDROGEN


Hydrogen fuel cell technology continues to attract the attention of those interested in alt fuels primarily for four reasons: it offers zero emissions, lower fuel costs, hydrogen is a renewable fuel and, unlike all-electric vehicles, it only take minutes–not hours–to refuel a fuel cell.

Those concerned with the effects of methane on the ozone layer (methane, according to the California Air Resources Board, presents a much greater threat than carbon dioxide), can breathe easy knowing that methane at dairy farms and landfills can be rendered into renewable natural gas, which in turn, can be processed into hydrogen. Yes, cow poop can fuel a Kenworth.

Kenworth reports that the fuel cell T680 has been performing very well in trial tests. It has a current range of 150 miles and can carry the legal gross combination weight of a Class 8 vehicle.

“Our testing shows that this truck performs equally as well, if not better than, current diesel trucks on the market,” said Stephan Olsen, Kenworth director of product planning.

We caught up with Olsen recently to learn more. Our Q+A is below.

How much weight is in batteries?
Olsen: Batteries themselves are 2,000 pounds, but with battery management, high voltage cable, coolant lines, enclosure, mounting, etc., we’re up to about 2,800 pounds.

Can the 150-mile range be increased? If so, how?
Olsen: It is very simple to increase the range: merely use a larger set of hydrogen tanks. Similar to diesel trucks, we expect that we’ll need to provide several sizes of tank capacity to match customers’ route profiles.

What’s maintenance been like thus far compared to a conventional T680?
Olsen: Maintenance needs on this type of vehicle will be quite small: replace an air filter element annually, drain & refill coolant every other year, change oil in transmission in 5 years, that kind of thing.

When can interested parties test drive, lease and/or buy the truck?
Olsen: This is just a proof of concept vehicle at this time. The development cycle for this technology will take 3 to 4 years to complete.

We’ll keep up with Kenworth’s fuel cell T680 following its transition to the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach where it will be put to work as a drayage truck.

https://www.equipmentworld.com/kenworth-debuts-a-fuel-cell-powered-t680/

Just the reporters way of saying Hydrogen is running on Bullshit  Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #237 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 7:13pm
 
and that's why battery electric cars are selling in numbers whereas the never ever hydrogen is still missing in action Cheesy LOL
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Reply #239 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 11:41am
 
Give us a ride in your never ever hydrogen car socko Cheesy LOL What do you do if you need to fill up your never ever hydrogen car ? I can refill my battery EV car at home. Can you ? Cheesy LOL
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