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5g - it doesn’t make the nbn redundant
Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 4:09pm

http://www.broadbanduk.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/BSG-Report-Lowering-barriers-to-5G-deployment.pdf The above lists the issues with 5g

Really interesting and highlights the issue that those rolling out 5g face

If anything it needs fibre optics - something which the lnp decided to not implement - this will in turn mean 5g may not be implemented in a timely or efficient manner.

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Reply #1 - Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 5:27pm

FAM,

the fiber optic cables to mobile bases are quite separate from the fiber optic cables to customer premises.

The only limit to mobile is frequency congestion which has not happened as yet. Coverage of course limits but can be fixed with more base stations.

5G sort of makes the NeverBuiltNetwork look a bit weak.

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Reply #2 - Jul 24^th, 2018 at 12:20pm

juliar wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 5:27pm:

FAM,

the fiber optic cables to mobile bases are quite separate from the fiber optic cables to customer premises.

The only limit to mobile is frequency congestion which has not happened as yet. Coverage of course limits but can be fixed with more base stations.

5G sort of makes the NeverBuiltNetwork look a bit weak.

Juliar hasn't worked out why mobile bases can't run off copper Shocked

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43638 Gender:	Re: 5g - it doesn’t make the nbn redundant Reply #3 - Jul 24^th, 2018 at 6:53pm YouLiar has also not worked out just how many towers will be needed.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47440 At my desk.	Re: 5g - it doesn’t make the nbn redundant Reply #4 - Jul 24^th, 2018 at 7:40pm The UK is not a great comparison - much higher population density. It will ultimately be an economic decision.
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Reply #5 - Jul 25^th, 2018 at 11:09am

See those 2 trolls are stalking me here too.

Actually mobile bases are frequently connected with microwave links but then the grossly ignorant trolls would not even know what a microwave link is.

Telstra has fiber optic cables to all its telephone exchanges in the cities and frequently the mobile bases are located at the telephone exchanges and of course use the fiber optic cables.

In the country areas fiber optic cable is used where available or otherwise microwave links are used.

Copper cable can only be used for a short distance and then analog carrier systems are used to work over greater distances but these carrier systems are becoming obsolete.

If no fiber optic cable is available at a proposed mobile base and analog channels on copper cable are available back to an exchange then the mobile base will be connected via this.

Failing all this then a microwave link will be used if a line of sight path can be found.

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Reply #6 - Jul 25^th, 2018 at 12:04pm

The fixed wireless towers of the NBN are connected back to the internet by microwave backhaul. Microwave has grossly inadequate bandwidth for this purpose and so the poor schmucks on FW have crap internet.

5G has enormously more bandwidth needs. Microwave will be totally inadequate.

Nope, fibre will need to be rolled out to the 5G towers and these will be like 600 metres apart. An enormous amount of fibre will need to be rolled out—should have been rolled out for the NBN, now we will have to rip out the stupid copper and run fibre out after all—waste of tens of billions of dollars of public money!

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Reply #7 - Jul 26^th, 2018 at 7:58am

More info showing how useless the Lib’s NBN is:

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Global credit ratings agency S&P Global Ratings has released a damning assessment of the National Broadband Network's long-term commercial viability, saying a politically damaging government write-down is now "inevitable".

In a stinging analysis S&P said NBN Co's current expectations about customer uptake were unrealistic without major changes to its pricing model, and forecast significant competitive mobile infrastructure investment by local telecommunications firms would hit NBN's prospects.

The analysis said that while NBN would likely achieve the two key policy aims of bridging the digital divide between metropolitan and regional areas and engineering the structural separation of Telstra, it was doing so at an enormous cost to taxpayers, subscribers, and incumbent telecommunications providers.

While it said mobile networks like 5G would not supplant NBN in the near future, it warned technology advances, NBN pricing and telco investment in mobile technology raised a "worst-case scenario where the NBN will be relegated to the network of last resort".

https://www.afr.com/technology/web/nbn/sp-nbn-20180724-h132tf

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: 5g - it doesn’t make the nbn redundant Reply #8 - Jul 26^th, 2018 at 8:47am Gosh that awful troll is STALKING me here as well and displaying his/her GROSS IGNORANCE again. What a drongo troll. The gross uneducated uninformed ignorance of this troll is breathtaking. And it is all about trying to get attention nothing more. Classic troll stuff.
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Reply #9 - Jul 26^th, 2018 at 9:11am

And, again, you can’t refute a word of it because you know nothing about the NBN or 5G or bandwidth or wireless broadband.

The copper internet is an unmitigated disaster and will need to be ripped up and replaced with fibre. The NBN will also need to be brought into the Budget because it is an expense and not an asset.

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Reply #10 - Jul 26^th, 2018 at 11:18am

Gosh, this is scary horror movie stuff! Having a troll with a shrunken mind STALKING me!!!!

Reminds me of Bill Shorten's Furrowed Frankenstein Forehead that frightens little children.

The gross uneducated uninformed ignorance of this troll is breathtaking. And it is all about trying to get attention nothing more. Classic troll stuff.

Wonder what the mod reckons about the illegal SPAMMING ?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43638 Gender:	Re: 5g - it doesn’t make the nbn redundant Reply #11 - Jul 26^th, 2018 at 1:40pm Still not even an attempt to refute my post. You know nothing and understand less, you are barely capable of copy and paste.
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Reply #12 - Jul 26^th, 2018 at 1:49pm

The whole radio spectrum, all of radio, TV, cordless phones, emergency radio, shortwave &CB radio etc etc—has hardly a tiny fraction of the spectrum available to it that a hair–thin optical fibre has. And each tower has to share the bandwidth available to it among a number of users.

To be able to wirelessly connect say 1000 users and provide high bandwidth and low latency each tower will need to be connected back to a POI by optical fibre. Microwave can’t provide the bandwidth needed for the FW towers, it would collapse trying to handle the traffic from a busy 5G tower.

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Reply #13 - Jul 26^th, 2018 at 2:35pm

juliar wrote on Jul 25^th, 2018 at 11:09am:

See those 2 trolls are stalking me here too.

Actually mobile bases are frequently connected with microwave links but then the grossly ignorant trolls would not even know what a microwave link is.

Telstra has fiber optic cables to all its telephone exchanges in the cities and frequently the mobile bases are located at the telephone exchanges and of course use the fiber optic cables.

In the country areas fiber optic cable is used where available or otherwise microwave links are used.

Copper cable can only be used for a short distance and then analog carrier systems are used to work over greater distances but these carrier systems are becoming obsolete.

If no fiber optic cable is available at a proposed mobile base and analog channels on copper cable are available back to an exchange then the mobile base will be connected via this.

Failing all this then a microwave link will be used if a line of sight path can be found.

Juliar bothers to mention microwave: what a joke Grin

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Reply #14 - Jul 26^th, 2018 at 2:39pm

juliar wrote on Jul 26^th, 2018 at 8:47am:

Gosh that awful troll is STALKING me here as well and displaying his/her GROSS IGNORANCE again. What a drongo troll.

The gross uneducated uninformed ignorance of this troll is breathtaking. And it is all about trying to get attention nothing more. Classic troll stuff.

apparently juliar is not a troll! Grin

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