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Reply #15 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 10:00pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 8:31pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 4:01pm:
Unemployment can happen to anyone anytime.  Those that are working today, could be the ones that are unemployed tomorrow.   Sad 

Absolutely and to people in industries you would not expect that to happen in.
A person could apply for 1000 jobs a year and not get one and only hear a reply from 1 or 2 advertisers.
Ageism prevents lots of mature age people from getting jobs, virtually throwing them on the unemployment heap for good.
Young people without certain skills, even though they could learn them on the job are prevented from being employed by employers who are too lazy or stingy to train them. Roll Eyes


No from a 1,000 applications you would get a response from 7 or 8, that was my experience anyway.
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Reply #16 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 10:44pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 8:31pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 4:01pm:
Unemployment can happen to anyone anytime.  Those that are working today, could be the ones that are unemployed tomorrow.   Sad 

Absolutely and to people in industries you would not expect that to happen in.
A person could apply for 1000 jobs a year and not get one and only hear a reply from 1 or 2 advertisers.
Ageism prevents lots of mature age people from getting jobs, virtually throwing them on the unemployment heap for good.
Young people without certain skills, even though they could learn them on the job are prevented from being employed by employers who are too lazy or stingy to train them. Roll Eyes

Too many employers are unemployment-shy: they won't consider hiring anyone who doesn't already have a job.
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Reply #17 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 10:49pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 8:35pm:
Bam wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 5:20pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 3:39pm:
JUST GET PEOPLE INTO WORK...


Do the maths, it's simple really. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

770,000 UNEMPLOYED AUSTRALIANS

170,000 JOB VACANCIES

THAT LEAVES 600,000 AUSTRALIANS WITHOUT A JOB TO GET.

AND THE FIGURE IS STAYING ALMOST STAGNANT AT THAT POINT.

If 25 years of alleged economic growth hasn't closed that gap, it's not ever going to close, no matter who is in office. Any government that doesn't commit to closing this employment gap is not serious about tackling unemployment.


We are on the same side here...  you realise of course.
I doubt we will ever achieve full employment ever again under any government. Roll Eyes

Of course we are ... it doesn't do any harm to support good points.

I'm not as pessimistic as you about the prospect of future full employment. A Job Guarantee is of particular interest. Watch for future discussions about this in political circles.
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Reply #18 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 2:04pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 10:00pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 8:31pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 4:01pm:
Unemployment can happen to anyone anytime.  Those that are working today, could be the ones that are unemployed tomorrow.   Sad 

Absolutely and to people in industries you would not expect that to happen in.
A person could apply for 1000 jobs a year and not get one and only hear a reply from 1 or 2 advertisers.
Ageism prevents lots of mature age people from getting jobs, virtually throwing them on the unemployment heap for good.
Young people without certain skills, even though they could learn them on the job are prevented from being employed by employers who are too lazy or stingy to train them. Roll Eyes


No from a 1,000 applications you would get a response from 7 or 8, that was my experience anyway.

LOL
Really 7 or 8 out of 1000.... 
Wow how poor is that.
When unemployed I applied for 763 jobs in 12 months all I was qualified to do.
I got 1 response.
Ageism is alive and well in Australia.
Apparently these days most do not bother to respond.
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Reply #19 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 2:05pm
 
Bam wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 10:44pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 8:31pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 4:01pm:
Unemployment can happen to anyone anytime.  Those that are working today, could be the ones that are unemployed tomorrow.   Sad 

Absolutely and to people in industries you would not expect that to happen in.
A person could apply for 1000 jobs a year and not get one and only hear a reply from 1 or 2 advertisers.
Ageism prevents lots of mature age people from getting jobs, virtually throwing them on the unemployment heap for good.
Young people without certain skills, even though they could learn them on the job are prevented from being employed by employers who are too lazy or stingy to train them. Roll Eyes

Too many employers are unemployment-shy: they won't consider hiring anyone who doesn't already have a job.

Well that's just blatant stupidity isn't it...  you have to leave a job to get a job... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #20 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 2:31pm
 
It's not just ageism which stops you getting a job - it's anyone of any age who is unfortunate enough to find themselves in this position.

You have to know someone who is struggling to meet the current Newstart requirements or be on it yourself to experience the serious hardship recipients are experiencing.

Meanwhile they've got tens of thousands of foreign students and visa over stayers working for cash in hand for under award pay so that leaves our public job market dismal for registered job seekers.

Recipients can apply for hundreds of jobs a year and consider themselves lucky if they get one interview out of that. After a while people who were once in work permanently become despondent and it shows to potential employers and then becomes a permanent handicap.

Don't get sick either. If doctors don't fill in the medical certificate correctly - then you lose your benefit if you're too ill to attend a job seeker appointment. I don't know how any unemployed person manages to survive under the current government's reformations.

Obviously the government can't afford an increase in the Newstart payment, so it's only going to get worse for those trying to subsist on a pittance.

Unless you have family or friends who will help a recipient survive - it's easy to understand why so many people end up homeless. Homelessness saves the government a lot of money simply because these people can't meet the strict job seeking requirements demanded of them. They're cut off from their payment and haven't got the resources to get back on it.



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Reply #21 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:47am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 3:47pm:
Another week another thread by whitenight wanting more of other peoples money so he can get a dole increase.

Who are the hardworking people you going to tax to give those on the dole more sit down money?

Let's assume that whiteknight is unemployed. Why shouldn't he speak up about issues that affect him? He has as much right to do so as anyone else.

Your attitude is very clearly "shut up and get a job". How can everyone do this at the same time when the labour market is very deliberately structured by the government so that 10% of the workforce is forced to have no job at all and another 10% has insufficient work?

The current government are especially guilty of abusing the unemployed. They tightened the screws past breaking point, they took away fundamental legal and human rights everyone else takes for granted, they have locked unemployed workers out of more jobs in Australia than any other government in Australian history and they have destroyed the car manufacturing industry. Their record of addressing unemployment issues is extremely poor.

The next time there's a recession or unemployment spikes, the general public will be made acutely aware of how dysfunctional the unemployment support services have become, and they will vote accordingly. Australia's right-wing media are not reporting this, but the truth will come out eventually. It's already so bad that a Royal Commission will be required to uncover everything.
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Reply #22 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 10:54am
 
Bam wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:47am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 3:47pm:
Another week another thread by whitenight wanting more of other peoples money so he can get a dole increase.

Who are the hardworking people you going to tax to give those on the dole more sit down money?

Let's assume that whiteknight is unemployed. Why shouldn't he speak up about issues that affect him? He has as much right to do so as anyone else.

Your attitude is very clearly "shut up and get a job". How can everyone do this at the same time when the labour market is very deliberately structured by the government so that 10% of the workforce is forced to have no job at all and another 10% has insufficient work?

The current government are especially guilty of abusing the unemployed. They tightened the screws past breaking point, they took away fundamental legal and human rights everyone else takes for granted, they have locked unemployed workers out of more jobs in Australia than any other government in Australian history and they have destroyed the car manufacturing industry. Their record of addressing unemployment issues is extremely poor.

The next time there's a recession or unemployment spikes, the general public will be made acutely aware of how dysfunctional the unemployment support services have become, and they will vote accordingly. Australia's right-wing media are not reporting this, but the truth will come out eventually. It's already so bad that a Royal Commission will be required to uncover everything.


destroyed by greedy unions and the high price of energy due to reknewables.
you must hate Shorten
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Reply #23 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 3:50pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 10:54am:
Bam wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:47am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 3:47pm:
Another week another thread by whitenight wanting more of other peoples money so he can get a dole increase.

Who are the hardworking people you going to tax to give those on the dole more sit down money?

Let's assume that whiteknight is unemployed. Why shouldn't he speak up about issues that affect him? He has as much right to do so as anyone else.

Your attitude is very clearly "shut up and get a job". How can everyone do this at the same time when the labour market is very deliberately structured by the government so that 10% of the workforce is forced to have no job at all and another 10% has insufficient work?

The current government are especially guilty of abusing the unemployed. They tightened the screws past breaking point, they took away fundamental legal and human rights everyone else takes for granted, they have locked unemployed workers out of more jobs in Australia than any other government in Australian history and they have destroyed the car manufacturing industry. Their record of addressing unemployment issues is extremely poor.

The next time there's a recession or unemployment spikes, the general public will be made acutely aware of how dysfunctional the unemployment support services have become, and they will vote accordingly. Australia's right-wing media are not reporting this, but the truth will come out eventually. It's already so bad that a Royal Commission will be required to uncover everything.


destroyed by greedy unions and the high price of energy due to reknewables.
you must hate Shorten

Factually incorrect. Unions had nothing to do with it, except perhaps the Coalition's ongoing jihad against unions where they seek to destroy unions by any available means.

The automotive manufacturing industry received only one-tenth of the subsidies and concessions as the mining industry currently receives, and employed more people.
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Reply #24 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 4:39pm
 
How about corporations pay their tax, we invest in renewables and Fttp which will create jobs and solve this issue.

I’m still waiting for trickle down to work - 40 years later and it’s still not working.
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Reply #25 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 10:54pm
 
... are nothing but a pack of liars......
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Reply #26 - Jul 24th, 2018 at 12:41am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 10:54pm:
... are nothing but a pack of liars......

I think this bloke nailed it ...

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Reply #27 - Jul 24th, 2018 at 9:52am
 
Good to see a Pollie with a sense of humour eh...

Meanwhile back on topic...

Pollies need to live on $40 a day for 6 months minimum, then they can get a collection of bills to pay, with electricity hitting the roof etc, let's see how well they do then.
Rates, Electricity, Water, Gas, Car, Petrol, Mortgage/Rent, Food, etc, etc, etc....  and pray that nothing breaks or goes wrong in that time too eh.
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Reply #28 - Jul 24th, 2018 at 10:10am
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 9:52am:
Good to see a Pollie with a sense of humour eh...

Meanwhile back on topic...

Pollies need to live on $40 a day for 6 months minimum, then they can get a collection of bills to pay, with electricity hitting the roof etc, let's see how well they do then.
Rates, Electricity, Water, Gas, Car, Petrol, Mortgage/Rent, Food, etc, etc, etc....  and pray that nothing breaks or goes wrong in that time too eh.

No.

$0 a day until they have used up all of their savings.

Then $40 a day indefinitely, with all of the obligations. If they can't attend the regular pointless fortnightly appointment because they're attending a funeral, are spending time in hospital, have jury duty, are looking after a sick child or any of a long list of other personal emergencies, then they get breached.

Oh, and they get to do Work for the Dole too.
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Reply #29 - Jul 24th, 2018 at 12:56pm
 
Whats the bet, that when politicians thought about $40/day, they would automoatically thought, its okay, I just have sandwich instead of a steak in the cafe.  They probably dont even realize that this amount have to include electricity, gas, water, and rent. 

And whats more, our current government still want young people to live on 0 dollars a day for 4 weeks after they lost their job.   That is just nasty.  Abit a bit better than what Abott wanted.
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