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Indigenous historian Bruce Pascoe says we’ve got our story all wrong

A HISTORIAN has painted a completely different version of Australia’s history - and it is causing huge shockwaves.

A RADICALLY different version of Australia’s history to what we are taught at school has been put forward by a historian — who believes it changes the entire concept of Australia as a country and who we really are.

We are taught Australia’s first people were simplistic hunter-gatherers who foraged for plants and randomly hunted kangaroos.

We are taught when Europeans landed, the indigenous people who first roamed the land were a disparate group of nomadic tribes, who never built permanent homes to shelter themselves.

But many of the early journals of the white settlers who first landed here — seeing a land completely untouched by other cultures for hundreds of thousands of years — saw something very different to what conventional history textbooks tell us.

Indigenous historian Bruce Pascoe has spent years looking through these incredible accounts and found the first white settlers documented how Aboriginal people built homes, villages, parks, dams and wells, selected seeds for harvesting, ploughed fields, irrigated crops and preserved food in vessels.

He says Aboriginal people were the first culture on earth to bake, evidenced by unearthed grindstones from 30,000 years ago, meaning Aussies beat the ancient Egyptians by more than 15,000 years.

In an interview with news.com.au after an groundbreaking speech at Tedx Sydney, the acclaimed author says Australia has deliberately avoided the subject for hundred of years. And, he believes the effect has been catastrophic.

“It has been purposefully left out of our history,” he said. “The misconception that Aboriginals were hunter-gatherers has been institutionalised and we are all suffering from that institutionalisation today — not just Aboriginal people but the whole country.”

WHAT HAPPENED TO IT ALL?

He says much of this complex civilisation had been wiped out by 1860, as the land was torn up by Europeans, buildings burned down and their occupants killed by warfare, murder and disease.

When this ancient infrastructure was destroyed, Mr Pascoe believes it became convenient for settlers to perpetuate the myth that the nation’s first people were incapable of organising a coherent and sophisticated society. He believes this, in their minds, legitimised their reason for being there.

“The country can’t afford to recognise the expertise and economic subtly of Aboriginal people because it talks about ownership of the land and it undermines the whole eligibility of the people to the land,” he said. “That’s why Australians have avoided it, not out of some vagueness or failure, but just total avoidance.”

In his award-winning book, Dark Emu, which has inspired a new contemporary dance production at the Sydney Opera House, Mr Pascoe details fascinating journals of the early European explorers.

They describe densely-populated Aboriginal villages up and down the country, some with sophisticated buildings made of large logs and clay plastering.

They also describe how indigenous people produced grain surplus to requirement, stored it and used complex systems to preserve soil, water, wildlife and fish as well as native seeds, nuts, fruits and vegetables.

HERE’S WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT

Mr Pascoe says the settlers’ journals show Australia was a far more fertile land when they first landed than it is today and the vast area of the country we now consider an inhospitable desert was, in fact, meticulously and successfully managed by Aboriginal societies for thousands of years.

But when Europeans landed, they brought foreign livestock which broke up the soil with their hoofs leading to soil erosion. Settlers also brought foreign crops and intensive farming techniques, later resorting to chemical fertilisation which Mr Pascoe argues has drained the land of its former fertility.

“Recognising Aboriginal farming is fundamental to our understanding of country,” Mr Pascoe said. “If we are going to survive climate change we need to have a better understanding of the country because we have already run out of water.

“So, we have to learn to conserve water, we have to learn to conserve soil and we can learn from the Aboriginal past about how the people who lived here for hundreds of thousands of years used both and still maintained an agricultural economy.”

He argues the ancient farming techniques were more sympathetic to the land because they used Aussie plants — such as native millet, kangaroo grass and murnong — and animals like kangaroos and emus.

“They knew how to conserve water and soil and the proof of this was when the Europeans arrived and they described how the grass was higher than the saddles on their horses,” he said. “The country was more fertile then than it is now. When you talk to farmers now, they tell you their grandfathers had it better than they do.

“Farmers are ready to admit that what we are doing isn’t working and it isn’t sustainable. So they are keen to try growing native Australian plants.”

Mr Pascoe has even teamed up with a number other indigenous Australians living along the NSW South Coast and in east Gippsland in Victoria to trial native Aussie crops.

“We’re fooling ourselves if we think we can replace the old fertility with chemicals,” he added.


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HOW BRUCE DISCOVERED THIS

Mr Pascoe said he had grown up with stories of massacres, separation of families and institutional racism, but he had not heard about the wonders of Aboriginal agriculture until late on in his life.

He said it “fell into its path” as he searched for the story of his own family history when he met elders of his own Aboriginal family.

“When I spoke to them, I was taken to task because of my own misunderstanding of history and the stuff I had learned at school,” he said.

“Once I realised that my reading of history was appalling, I then had to refurbish my own brain and once I did that and started reading a few explorers’ journals, I began to realise that an unbelievably different story to be told about the country and I couldn’t believe how stupid I had been.”

Mr Pascoe said there was a bit of backlash against his ideas from certain historians when he first started writing about his theories in 2013, but since then, he said the majority of people he has spoken to, especially young people, have been enthusiastic about his arguments.

Now he wants Australians to look at the settlers’ journals and decide which version of history they believe.

“Teachers are just teaching what they learnt in school, so we need to expand resources so they and the children can access the journals,” he said. “Then, they can make their own mind up about what our history was really like.”



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Why does she need to post here? Doesn't your forum satisfy her needs?
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The east coast Aborigines survived largely on molluscs and shellfish. Journal keepers like Tench, Hunter etc give no insight into the arguments tabled above. Let's believe a 2018 historian who heard some stories rather than those who documented the events 240 years ago.
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If the story is true—and it likely is, have heard bits of it before, be some grouse collecting to be done.
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this crap has been in academic texts for years OLD NEWS!!!!!!
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Having a neo-colonialism bash is one thing. To venerate the idea of the noble savage to this extreme is just beyond the pale.
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Haha.
Abos with houses and farms and cooking and parks and dams and wells and....BULLCRAP! They were to thick to have a wheel....which would have been required before any of the other claims....  Grin
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If throwing a roo on a fire complete with fur and guts etc is classed as baking......then yes, they can bake.
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There's evidence they had a space agency abiut 10000 years before white colonisation and had actually developed faster than light space travel. They found exploring the universe rather boring and gave it all up for sticks and goon.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 8:34pm:
The east coast Aborigines survived largely on molluscs and shellfish. Journal keepers like Tench, Hunter etc give no insight into the arguments tabled above. Let's believe a 2018 historian who heard some stories rather than those who documented the events 240 years ago.


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Reminds me of Falah.
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Reminds me of Falah.


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Gordon wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:01pm:
There's evidence they had a space agency abiut 10000 years before white colonisation and had actually developed faster than light space travel. They found exploring the universe rather boring and gave it all up for sticks and goon.


Don't forget the time travel machine... it's in a secret cave under Ayers Rock which is why they want to close it off to Whartey...

Are there any actual documents on show here or is this just a fine piece of editorial?  You can talk about wonderful Aboriginal culture including the telescope, time travel, space travel, and massive infrastructure - but where are the documents that support this?
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Don't forget how they stole Whitey's rock, leftards.

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I think there's a bit of embellishing here. The indigenous peoples were not a complex civilisation. They didn't have writing; they didn't have large urban settlements; no surplus of agriculture; and they didn't have the capital and coercive institutions we see in other civilisations.

This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself: no empire has ever lasted even a fraction of that time. They indigenous peoples also left the environment untouched and pristine.

If we recognise the uniqueness of indigenous culture, rather than trying to retell history in order to satisfy the progressives, then we can fully more appreciate indigenous culture for what it is.
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.
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Auggie wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
I think there's a bit of embellishing here. The indigenous peoples were not a complex civilisation. They didn't have writing; they didn't have large urban settlements; no surplus of agriculture; and they didn't have the capital and coercive institutions we see in other civilisations.

This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself: no empire has ever lasted even a fraction of that time. They indigenous peoples also left the environment untouched and pristine.

If we recognise the uniqueness of indigenous culture, rather than trying to retell history in order to satisfy the progressives, then we can fully more appreciate indigenous culture for what it is.


They were not what one would classify as a civilisation or empire now, were they? It's like saying people have "survived" in Africa for 500k years, that does not mean there was any civilisation or empire involved.
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


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Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


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Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


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Well considering that 'Western' (Political) culture only knows about 'Asian' culture (can't even say the racial 'yellow') and 'Black' race (can't even say the cultural 'Bantu').

It knows sweet FA about Black 'culture' (let alone Yellow 'race').

So little wonder that the Westerners (Anglos/Irish/Scottish/Welsh) had absolutely no idea about this part of the world (The Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, Malaysian, Chinese ...possibly the Germans, French and even more so - the Phoenicians, knew about it before hand).

Even when they landed, they couldn't fathom much about the way of life here and depended heavily on the local Eora Aboriginals (which is why things were so 'harmonious' for awhile  Roll Eyes) - TO SURVIVE as a ramshackle Penal Colony.

Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson were taught in schools as the men who 'found' the way across the Great Dividing Range ...but in truth the Dharruk Aboriginals 'showed' them the way.
Pure Propaganda crap!

If it wasn't for the Aboriginals - the 'Western' efforts here would have just defaulted.
Later, the Westerners stabbed the aboriginals in the back and the massacres began.
Much like HG-Wells: War of the Worlds.  Grin

...but we know that 'Western' (Political) culture here is capitulating via corruption, sexual sterility and an unprogressive future of any originality.


Thankfully the 'Eastern' (Slavic) Europeans are making a far better effort here in Australia (which will be renamed with a more 'slavic' version
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Reply #22 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:51pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:47pm:
Well considering that 'Western' (Political) culture only knows about 'Asian' culture (can't even say the racial 'yellow') and 'Black' race (can't even say the cultural 'Bantu').

It knows sweet FA about Black 'culture' (let alone Yellow 'race').

So little wonder that the Westerners (Anglos/Irish/Scottish/Welsh) had absolutely no idea about this part of the world (The Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, Malaysian, Chinese ...possibly the Germans, French and even more so - the Phoenicians, knew about it before hand).

Even when they landed, they couldn't fathom much about the way of life here and depended heavily on the local Eora Aboriginals (which is why things were so 'harmonious' for awhile  Roll Eyes) - TO SURVIVE as a ramshackle Penal Colony.

Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson were taught in schools as the men who 'found' the way across the Great Dividing Range ...but in truth the Dharruk Aboriginals 'showed' them the way.
Pure Propaganda crap!

If it wasn't for the Aboriginals - the 'Western' efforts here would have just defaulted.
Later, the Westerners stabbed the aboriginals in the back and the massacres began.
Much like HG-Wells: War of the Worlds.  Grin

...but we know that 'Western' (Political) culture here is capitulating via corruption, sexual sterility and an unprogressive future of any originality.


Thankfully the 'Eastern' (Slavic) Europeans are making a far better effort here in Australia (which will be renamed with a more 'slavic' version
  Wink)


I can't believe how full of shi'ite you are Jasin, you know they are all the same people if you leave out the Phoenicians. Do you have a random thought generator or something?
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Reply #23 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:53pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:47pm:
Well considering that 'Western' (Political) culture only knows about 'Asian' culture (can't even say the racial 'yellow') and 'Black' race (can't even say the cultural 'Bantu').

It knows sweet FA about Black 'culture' (let alone Yellow 'race').

So little wonder that the Westerners (Anglos/Irish/Scottish/Welsh) had absolutely no idea about this part of the world (The Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, Malaysian, Chinese ...possibly the Germans, French and even more so - the Phoenicians, knew about it before hand).

Even when they landed, they couldn't fathom much about the way of life here and depended heavily on the local Eora Aboriginals (which is why things were so 'harmonious' for awhile  Roll Eyes) - TO SURVIVE as a ramshackle Penal Colony.

Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson were taught in schools as the men who 'found' the way across the Great Dividing Range ...but in truth the Dharruk Aboriginals 'showed' them the way.
Pure Propaganda crap!

If it wasn't for the Aboriginals - the 'Western' efforts here would have just defaulted.
Later, the Westerners stabbed the aboriginals in the back and the massacres began.
Much like HG-Wells: War of the Worlds.  Grin

...but we know that 'Western' (Political) culture here is capitulating via corruption, sexual sterility and an unprogressive future of any originality.


Thankfully the 'Eastern' (Slavic) Europeans are making a far better effort here in Australia (which will be renamed with a more 'slavic' version
  Wink)


If we are including the Croats in these eastern eruos... Sure, they'll interbreed then kill themselves for what they have done to themselves in the past.
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Reply #24 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:56pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:51pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:47pm:
Well considering that 'Western' (Political) culture only knows about 'Asian' culture (can't even say the racial 'yellow') and 'Black' race (can't even say the cultural 'Bantu').

It knows sweet FA about Black 'culture' (let alone Yellow 'race').

So little wonder that the Westerners (Anglos/Irish/Scottish/Welsh) had absolutely no idea about this part of the world (The Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, Malaysian, Chinese ...possibly the Germans, French and even more so - the Phoenicians, knew about it before hand).

Even when they landed, they couldn't fathom much about the way of life here and depended heavily on the local Eora Aboriginals (which is why things were so 'harmonious' for awhile  Roll Eyes) - TO SURVIVE as a ramshackle Penal Colony.

Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson were taught in schools as the men who 'found' the way across the Great Dividing Range ...but in truth the Dharruk Aboriginals 'showed' them the way.
Pure Propaganda crap!

If it wasn't for the Aboriginals - the 'Western' efforts here would have just defaulted.
Later, the Westerners stabbed the aboriginals in the back and the massacres began.
Much like HG-Wells: War of the Worlds.  Grin

...but we know that 'Western' (Political) culture here is capitulating via corruption, sexual sterility and an unprogressive future of any originality.


Thankfully the 'Eastern' (Slavic) Europeans are making a far better effort here in Australia (which will be renamed with a more 'slavic' version
  Wink)


I can't believe how full of shi'ite you are Jasin, you know they are all the same people if you leave out the Phoenicians. Do you have a random thought generator or something?




Spanish, Portuguese, French are 'Grey' Latin peoples.
German, Dutch are 'Red' Celtic peoples (because 'Green' is the colour of South Americans and 'olive' skinned people  Grin Cheesy Tongue)

Face it - Celtics/Western Euros belong in North America ...where they ran away to like cowards from the problems of Europe. Hell, even Americans are trying to run away to Mars and the problems of Earth (typical 'Western' psyche  Roll Eyes)
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Jasin wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:56pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:51pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:47pm:
Well considering that 'Western' (Political) culture only knows about 'Asian' culture (can't even say the racial 'yellow') and 'Black' race (can't even say the cultural 'Bantu').

It knows sweet FA about Black 'culture' (let alone Yellow 'race').

So little wonder that the Westerners (Anglos/Irish/Scottish/Welsh) had absolutely no idea about this part of the world (The Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, Malaysian, Chinese ...possibly the Germans, French and even more so - the Phoenicians, knew about it before hand).

Even when they landed, they couldn't fathom much about the way of life here and depended heavily on the local Eora Aboriginals (which is why things were so 'harmonious' for awhile  Roll Eyes) - TO SURVIVE as a ramshackle Penal Colony.

Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson were taught in schools as the men who 'found' the way across the Great Dividing Range ...but in truth the Dharruk Aboriginals 'showed' them the way.
Pure Propaganda crap!

If it wasn't for the Aboriginals - the 'Western' efforts here would have just defaulted.
Later, the Westerners stabbed the aboriginals in the back and the massacres began.
Much like HG-Wells: War of the Worlds.  Grin

...but we know that 'Western' (Political) culture here is capitulating via corruption, sexual sterility and an unprogressive future of any originality.


Thankfully the 'Eastern' (Slavic) Europeans are making a far better effort here in Australia (which will be renamed with a more 'slavic' version
  Wink)


I can't believe how full of shi'ite you are Jasin, you know they are all the same people if you leave out the Phoenicians. Do you have a random thought generator or something?




Spanish, Portuguese, French are 'Grey' Latin peoples.
German, Dutch are 'Red' Celtic peoples (because 'Green' is the colour of South Americans and 'olive' skinned people  Grin Cheesy Tongue)

Face it - Celtics/Western Euros belong in North America ...where they ran away to like cowards from the problems of Europe. Hell, even Americans are trying to run away to Mars and the problems of Earth (typical 'Western' psyche  Roll Eyes)


You do know the Celts ruled from Ireland to Turkey at one stage? The Spanish were Celts, the French, the Swiss, the Hungarians, the Poles. Celtic is/was not a race but a culture. In fact Celtic culture first blossomed in Switzerland and Austria.


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British/Irish Isles = 'unite' (in Western Europe)

Yugoslavic = 'separate' (in Eastern Europe) into Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, etc.


...hence why Australia will fracture into 'Independent Nations', much like how Yugoslavia did.

Face it Celtic boy.
Your people have no idea about this part of the World.
Once Russia capitulates. Australia will become the NEW SLAVIC (Slave/Convict - 'same myth') future!

...because Europe is now 2/3rds 'Blue' (Scandi-navian) Brunette in population and will be absorbed by the Northern Europeans.
...because the 'Grey' Latin Southern Europeans are moving out to the Oceanic Islands from New Zealand to Central America/Caribbean (such is the Media  Wink)


So there you go Setanta: Anglo-Saxons/Celts, etc ...never had a clue about this part of the world, let alone Aboriginals  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #27 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:03pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:00pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:56pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:51pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:47pm:
Well considering that 'Western' (Political) culture only knows about 'Asian' culture (can't even say the racial 'yellow') and 'Black' race (can't even say the cultural 'Bantu').

It knows sweet FA about Black 'culture' (let alone Yellow 'race').

So little wonder that the Westerners (Anglos/Irish/Scottish/Welsh) had absolutely no idea about this part of the world (The Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, Malaysian, Chinese ...possibly the Germans, French and even more so - the Phoenicians, knew about it before hand).

Even when they landed, they couldn't fathom much about the way of life here and depended heavily on the local Eora Aboriginals (which is why things were so 'harmonious' for awhile  Roll Eyes) - TO SURVIVE as a ramshackle Penal Colony.

Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson were taught in schools as the men who 'found' the way across the Great Dividing Range ...but in truth the Dharruk Aboriginals 'showed' them the way.
Pure Propaganda crap!

If it wasn't for the Aboriginals - the 'Western' efforts here would have just defaulted.
Later, the Westerners stabbed the aboriginals in the back and the massacres began.
Much like HG-Wells: War of the Worlds.  Grin

...but we know that 'Western' (Political) culture here is capitulating via corruption, sexual sterility and an unprogressive future of any originality.


Thankfully the 'Eastern' (Slavic) Europeans are making a far better effort here in Australia (which will be renamed with a more 'slavic' version
  Wink)


I can't believe how full of shi'ite you are Jasin, you know they are all the same people if you leave out the Phoenicians. Do you have a random thought generator or something?




Spanish, Portuguese, French are 'Grey' Latin peoples.
German, Dutch are 'Red' Celtic peoples (because 'Green' is the colour of South Americans and 'olive' skinned people  Grin Cheesy Tongue)

Face it - Celtics/Western Euros belong in North America ...where they ran away to like cowards from the problems of Europe. Hell, even Americans are trying to run away to Mars and the problems of Earth (typical 'Western' psyche  Roll Eyes)


You do know the Celts ruled from Ireland to Turkey at one stage? The Spanish were Celts, the French, the Swiss, the Hungarians, the Poles. Celtic is/was not a race but a culture. In fact Celtic culture first blossomed in Switzerland.




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Reply #28 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:05pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:03pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:00pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:56pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:51pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:47pm:
Well considering that 'Western' (Political) culture only knows about 'Asian' culture (can't even say the racial 'yellow') and 'Black' race (can't even say the cultural 'Bantu').

It knows sweet FA about Black 'culture' (let alone Yellow 'race').

So little wonder that the Westerners (Anglos/Irish/Scottish/Welsh) had absolutely no idea about this part of the world (The Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, Malaysian, Chinese ...possibly the Germans, French and even more so - the Phoenicians, knew about it before hand).

Even when they landed, they couldn't fathom much about the way of life here and depended heavily on the local Eora Aboriginals (which is why things were so 'harmonious' for awhile  Roll Eyes) - TO SURVIVE as a ramshackle Penal Colony.

Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson were taught in schools as the men who 'found' the way across the Great Dividing Range ...but in truth the Dharruk Aboriginals 'showed' them the way.
Pure Propaganda crap!

If it wasn't for the Aboriginals - the 'Western' efforts here would have just defaulted.
Later, the Westerners stabbed the aboriginals in the back and the massacres began.
Much like HG-Wells: War of the Worlds.  Grin

...but we know that 'Western' (Political) culture here is capitulating via corruption, sexual sterility and an unprogressive future of any originality.


Thankfully the 'Eastern' (Slavic) Europeans are making a far better effort here in Australia (which will be renamed with a more 'slavic' version
  Wink)


I can't believe how full of shi'ite you are Jasin, you know they are all the same people if you leave out the Phoenicians. Do you have a random thought generator or something?




Spanish, Portuguese, French are 'Grey' Latin peoples.
German, Dutch are 'Red' Celtic peoples (because 'Green' is the colour of South Americans and 'olive' skinned people  Grin Cheesy Tongue)

Face it - Celtics/Western Euros belong in North America ...where they ran away to like cowards from the problems of Europe. Hell, even Americans are trying to run away to Mars and the problems of Earth (typical 'Western' psyche  Roll Eyes)


You do know the Celts ruled from Ireland to Turkey at one stage? The Spanish were Celts, the French, the Swiss, the Hungarians, the Poles. Celtic is/was not a race but a culture. In fact Celtic culture first blossomed in Switzerland.




WOT A LOAD OF CUM CRAP!!!

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Hallstatt is known for its production of salt, dating back to prehistoric times, and gave its name to the Hallstatt culture, a culture often linked to Celtic and Proto-Celtic people of the Early Iron Age Europe, c.800–450 BC. Some of the earliest archaeological evidence for the Celts was found in Hallstatt.
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Reply #30 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:11pm
 
You're such a PURITANT (celtic) RACIST SetantaGrin

Europe was overlapped by all four major European Tribes: Celts, Slavs, Scandi and Latins.

To say that any one tribe 'dominated' an area specifically, let alone Europe as a whole - is totally 'racist'.

Europe was a cacophony of mixture. Scandis were known as 'Russos' over in Russia before Slavic culture also intergrated. Latins (Romans) were well mixed in the British Isles while the Celts were still living amongst the trees.
Etc, etc, etc.

It's only being in the last 600 years that the 'boundaries' and 'majorities' have taken hold in the East, West, North & South of Europe.
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Reply #31 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:11pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:31pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


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Going by your Map. You would have us consider that all that 'coloured' part of Europe to represent 'Celtic' was all totally and only and puritantly populated by
RED-HAIRED PEOPLE
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..but lets face it Setanta,

REAL Celtic people are
'Rangas' -
right  Wink Grin

...none of these 'fraud' Celtics with 'Blue' Brunette hair and 'Grey' Raven Hair (from North & South of Europe  WinkGrin

RIGHT SETANTA
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Reply #34 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:20pm
 

So back to the original Topic at hand:

Western/Celtic/Political - specifically Anglo-Irish perceptions and understandings of this part of the world,
has been somewhat ...a WANK.  Grin
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Reply #35 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:21pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:11pm:
You're such a PURITANT (celtic) RACIST SetantaGrin

Europe was overlapped by all four major European Tribes: Celts, Slavs, Scandi and Latins.

To say that any one tribe 'dominated' an area specifically, let alone Europe as a whole - is totally 'racist'.

Europe was a cacophony of mixture. Scandis were known as 'Russos' over in Russia before Slavic culture also intergrated. Latins (Romans) were well mixed in the British Isles while the Celts were still living amongst the trees.
Etc, etc, etc.

It's only being in the last 600 years that the 'boundaries' and 'majorities' have taken hold in the East, West, North & South of Europe.


It's not racist at all, the Italics were limited to Italy until Rome emerged, you'll notice in that map with the green, yellow is the "homeland", light green is the extent of their expansion. Northern Italy was named "cisapline Gaul(Gaul this side of the alps)" by Rome for a reason. The same reason you can tell the difference quite easily between northerners and southerners in Italy to this day. Much of the lower half of Italy was ruled by Greeks(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Graecia) for a while.
Let's sort one thing out at a time, eh? We can work on the Vikings later.
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Reply #36 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:32pm
 
Genetics is more easily displaced, thrown around, spread and isolated. It's really nothing (and never was) to rely upon to describe 'Culture' - especially when BEING ROMAN, was not based upon 'genetic' appearance or RACE.

Being Roman - was a 'cultural' thing and so to was being Celtic (Western), Latin (Southern), Scandinavian (Northern) and Slavic (Eastern).

Even now - the Karelian peoples of Russia still 'culturally' consider themselves 'Scandinavian' due to the 'early' Rouse past.


So here's this little 'ramshackle' 'Western' (Political/Celtic) culture in EORA country down here in the SAHULIAN region of the world...

...but hey, we all know 'Westerners' have NO IDEA about this part of the world and thus can only 'compute' the idea that they are living in SOUTH ASIA (Austral-asia)  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Westerners/Politicals - are absolute RETARDS in this part of the world.  Grin Grin Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #37 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:32pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:11pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:31pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


So, when will mothra and JS be unbanned or at least you summon up the manhood to tell them the reason for the ban?


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Jasin wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:32pm:
Genetics is more easily displaced, thrown around, spread and isolated. It's really nothing (and never was) to rely upon to describe 'Culture' - especially when BEING ROMAN, was not based upon 'genetic' appearance or RACE.

Being Roman - was a 'cultural' thing and so to was being Celtic (Western), Latin (Southern), Scandinavian (Northern) and Slavic (Eastern).

Even now - the Karelian peoples of Russia still 'culturally' consider themselves 'Scandinavian' due to the 'early' Rouse past.


So here's this little 'ramshackle' 'Western' (Political/Celtic) culture in EORA country down here in the SAHULIAN region of the world...

...but hey, we all know 'Westerners' have NO IDEA about this part of the world and thus can only 'compute' the idea that they are living in SOUTH ASIA (Austral-asia)  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Westerners/Politicals - are absolute RETARDS in this part of the world.  Grin Grin Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


So what the smack are you on about then? Only a few posts back you were all different. Rather than think of others as retards perhaps you should look at who is feeding you this shi'ite.

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Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:35pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:32pm:
Genetics is more easily displaced, thrown around, spread and isolated. It's really nothing (and never was) to rely upon to describe 'Culture' - especially when BEING ROMAN, was not based upon 'genetic' appearance or RACE.

Being Roman - was a 'cultural' thing and so to was being Celtic (Western), Latin (Southern), Scandinavian (Northern) and Slavic (Eastern).

Even now - the Karelian peoples of Russia still 'culturally' consider themselves 'Scandinavian' due to the 'early' Rouse past.


So here's this little 'ramshackle' 'Western' (Political/Celtic) culture in EORA country down here in the SAHULIAN region of the world...

...but hey, we all know 'Westerners' have NO IDEA about this part of the world and thus can only 'compute' the idea that they are living in SOUTH ASIA (Austral-asia)  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Westerners/Politicals - are absolute RETARDS in this part of the world.  Grin Grin Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


So what the smack are you on about then? Only a few posts back you were all different. Rather than think of others as retards perhaps you should look at who is feeding you this shi'ite.




Just remember. If it wasn't for the Aboriginals (your 'fellow' Australians) - you all wouldn't be here!
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Reply #40 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:43pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:39pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:35pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:32pm:
Genetics is more easily displaced, thrown around, spread and isolated. It's really nothing (and never was) to rely upon to describe 'Culture' - especially when BEING ROMAN, was not based upon 'genetic' appearance or RACE.

Being Roman - was a 'cultural' thing and so to was being Celtic (Western), Latin (Southern), Scandinavian (Northern) and Slavic (Eastern).

Even now - the Karelian peoples of Russia still 'culturally' consider themselves 'Scandinavian' due to the 'early' Rouse past.


So here's this little 'ramshackle' 'Western' (Political/Celtic) culture in EORA country down here in the SAHULIAN region of the world...

...but hey, we all know 'Westerners' have NO IDEA about this part of the world and thus can only 'compute' the idea that they are living in SOUTH ASIA (Austral-asia)  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Westerners/Politicals - are absolute RETARDS in this part of the world.  Grin Grin Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


So what the smack are you on about then? Only a few posts back you were all different. Rather than think of others as retards perhaps you should look at who is feeding you this shi'ite.




Just remember. If it wasn't for the Aboriginals (your 'fellow' Australians) - you all wouldn't be here!
Wink


Yeah? Why? If the land was really "terra nullius" we would never have survived it? Really? Think about the spread of man from his homeland, we have conquered the planet, why do you think without aboriginals here first(which destroys your argument anyway), man could not make use of it as he has done everywhere, no matter how harsh. Who feeds you this crap? It's not like we would not be here if they did not invite us.


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The early Penal Settlement was going to fail.
The men couldn't cut the trees, they couldn't feed themselves.
They were 'aliens' in an alien world and they were slowly dying.
If it wasn't for the Aboriginals who helped them, fed them, watered them, helped them make fires - the 'colony' would have perished before the next shipment of...

...people smuggling.

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Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:32pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:11pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:31pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


So, when will mothra and JS be unbanned or at least you summon up the manhood to tell them the reason for the ban?


Oh, piss off.

You are FD, are you?

I intend to keep on asking.


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FD has been asked, politely by various people, via PM and publicly when the ban will be over or asked to give a reason for the bans.

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Reply #43 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:15am
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:57pm:
The early Penal Settlement was going to fail.
The men couldn't cut the trees, they couldn't feed themselves.
They were 'aliens' in an alien world and they were slowly dying.
If it wasn't for the Aboriginals who helped them, fed them, watered them, helped them make fires - the 'colony' would have perished before the next shipment of...

...people smuggling.

100 percent nonsense, just like most of your posts. Complete rubbish.
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Reply #44 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:25am
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:57pm:
The early Penal Settlement was going to fail.
The men couldn't cut the trees, they couldn't feed themselves.
They were 'aliens' in an alien world and they were slowly dying.
If it wasn't for the Aboriginals who helped them, fed them, watered them, helped them make fires - the 'colony' would have perished before the next shipment of...

...people smuggling.


Aborigines did nothing of anything that can be construed as helpful. In fact, during the starvation period of the first fleeters, aborigines would simply walk into the camp and just steal the goods that were in storage. The settlers were too weak to do anything about it.

Even when governor Phillip wanted to dialogue with aborigines, they ran off or did not want anything to do with the new arrivals.
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Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:31pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


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Oh, piss off.


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Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:08am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:32pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:11pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:31pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


So, when will mothra and JS be unbanned or at least you summon up the manhood to tell them the reason for the ban?


Oh, piss off.

You are FD, are you?

I intend to keep on asking.


And you'll continue to be irrelevant and counter productive. Go you!



FD has been asked, politely by various people, via PM and publicly when the ban will be over or asked to give a reason for the bans.

Hammer got away with a pedo reference that would have got me a 3 month suspension, as we knew he would.

Banning people indefinitely without a reason is smacking rude! You butting into a conversation and telling me to piss off is also smacking rude.


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Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:08am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:32pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:11pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:31pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


So, when will mothra and JS be unbanned or at least you summon up the manhood to tell them the reason for the ban?


Oh, piss off.

You are FD, are you?

I intend to keep on asking.


And you'll continue to be irrelevant and counter productive. Go you!



FD has been asked, politely by various people, via PM and publicly when the ban will be over or asked to give a reason for the bans.

Hammer got away with a pedo reference that would have got me a 3 month suspension, as we knew he would.

Banning people indefinitely without a reason is smacking rude! You butting into a conversation and telling me to piss off is also smacking rude.


Perhaps you should take it to PM rather than a public forum where all are welcome to comment.
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Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:31pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


So, when will mothra and JS be unbanned or at least you summon up the manhood to tell them the reason for the ban?


Oh, piss off.


Moderators, address this language immediately.


OK, suitabley addressed. I'll ban my wayward self until the morning. Good night.


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Reply #49 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28am
 
Auggie wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
I think there's a bit of embellishing here. The indigenous peoples were not a complex civilisation. They didn't have writing; they didn't have large urban settlements; no surplus of agriculture; and they didn't have the capital and coercive institutions we see in other civilisations.

This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself: no empire has ever lasted even a fraction of that time. They indigenous peoples also left the environment untouched and pristine.

If we recognise the uniqueness of indigenous culture, rather than trying to retell history in order to satisfy the progressives, then we can fully more appreciate indigenous culture for what it is.




You don't think that maybe it had something to do with the shear size and remoteness of this land that allowed them to live for donkeys without farming.
They'd burn thousands of hectares of land... then move on. They were lazy back then and they still are.
If they had any threats like vikings etc they would have been wiped out....lucky some pommies landed here and developed a liking for them and eventually allowed them to remain uncivilised as they can so freely be today, if they wish.
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Reply #50 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:35am
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:46am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:08am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:32pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:11pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:31pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


So, when will mothra and JS be unbanned or at least you summon up the manhood to tell them the reason for the ban?


Oh, piss off.

You are FD, are you?

I intend to keep on asking.


And you'll continue to be irrelevant and counter productive. Go you!



FD has been asked, politely by various people, via PM and publicly when the ban will be over or asked to give a reason for the bans.

Hammer got away with a pedo reference that would have got me a 3 month suspension, as we knew he would.

Banning people indefinitely without a reason is smacking rude! You butting into a conversation and telling me to piss off is also smacking rude.


Perhaps you should take it to PM rather than a public forum where all are welcome to comment.

Several people have asked FD by PM, I have PMd him more than once on the subject. Never get the courtesy of a reply let alone reason for the bans or a time limit of the bans.

I have also asked FD to spend a little bit of time looking after his Forum, appoint some MRB Mods, get rid of Mods that are useless like Booby. Jasin would like to Mod travel, Spot would like to Mod Books, why doesn’t FD spend two seconds appointing them?

Why does he not give you some Admin privileges so you can appoint/remove MRB Mods?
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Reply #51 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:39am
 
Monk can't even stick to his own subject....  Grin

you have to wonder if it was just another Troll Thread to start up pissing and moaning about the Moderators again...

what a loser... 

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Reply #52 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 9:46am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 8:24pm:
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Mr Pascoe said he had grown up with stories of massacres, separation of families and institutional racism, but he had not heard about the wonders of Aboriginal agriculture until late on in his life.

He said it “fell into its path” as he searched for the story of his own family history when he met elders of his own Aboriginal family.

“When I spoke to them, I was taken to task because of my own misunderstanding of history and the stuff I had learned at school,” he said.

“Once I realised that my reading of history was appalling, I then had to refurbish my own brain and once I did that and started reading a few explorers’ journals, I began to realise that an unbelievably different story to be told about the country and I couldn’t believe how stupid I had been.”

Mr Pascoe said there was a bit of backlash against his ideas from certain historians when he first started writing about his theories in 2013, but since then, he said the majority of people he has spoken to, especially young people, have been enthusiastic about his arguments.

Now he wants Australians to look at the settlers’ journals and decide which version of history they believe.

“Teachers are just teaching what they learnt in school, so we need to expand resources so they and the children can access the journals,” he said. “Then, they can make their own mind up about what our history was really like.”



https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/indigenous-historian-bruce-pascoe...

I posted this here as requested by mothra. When will the unjustified ban on mothra and JS be lifted?? FD?


Still being the lap dog ey?

It's been done to death ... one man Bruce Pascoe is re-writing history to make him feel better about his origins.

I suppose then there shouldn't be any criticisms of the 30 plus year research & theories by Grahame Walsh regarding the Bradshaw Rock Art in the Kimberley that has been poohooed by anthropologists because he suggested it was made by other than ancestors of modern day australian aboriginals?

Bruce Pascoes fanciful story of intensive farming /agriculture, irrigation, intricate village housing & populations of/by Aboriginals pre-colonisation is a nonsense.

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Reply #53 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 9:48am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:01pm:
There's evidence they had a space agency abiut 10000 years before white colonisation and had actually developed faster than light space travel. They found exploring the universe rather boring and gave it all up for sticks and goon.


Don't forget the time travel machine... it's in a secret cave under Ayers Rock which is why they want to close it off to Whartey...

Are there any actual documents on show here or is this just a fine piece of editorial?  You can talk about wonderful Aboriginal culture including the telescope, time travel, space travel, and massive infrastructure - but where are the documents that support this?


Don't forget their Universities.  Roll Eyes Grin
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Reply #54 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 9:56am
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:39pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:35pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:32pm:
Genetics is more easily displaced, thrown around, spread and isolated. It's really nothing (and never was) to rely upon to describe 'Culture' - especially when BEING ROMAN, was not based upon 'genetic' appearance or RACE.

Being Roman - was a 'cultural' thing and so to was being Celtic (Western), Latin (Southern), Scandinavian (Northern) and Slavic (Eastern).

Even now - the Karelian peoples of Russia still 'culturally' consider themselves 'Scandinavian' due to the 'early' Rouse past.


So here's this little 'ramshackle' 'Western' (Political/Celtic) culture in EORA country down here in the SAHULIAN region of the world...

...but hey, we all know 'Westerners' have NO IDEA about this part of the world and thus can only 'compute' the idea that they are living in SOUTH ASIA (Austral-asia)  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Westerners/Politicals - are absolute RETARDS in this part of the world.  Grin Grin Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


So what the smack are you on about then? Only a few posts back you were all different. Rather than think of others as retards perhaps you should look at who is feeding you this shi'ite.




Just remember. If it wasn't for the Aboriginals (your 'fellow' Australians) - you all wouldn't be here!
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Grin Grin take another one of whatever you're taking you're getting a roll on now.  Grin
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Reply #55 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 9:59am
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:57pm:
The early Penal Settlement was going to fail.
The men couldn't cut the trees, they couldn't feed themselves.
They were 'aliens' in an alien world and they were slowly dying.
If it wasn't for the Aboriginals who helped them, fed them, watered them, helped them make fires - the 'colony' would have perished before the next shipment of...

...people smuggling.



Grin You dill .... you're out doing yourself now.

What were Aboriginals cutting down hardwood trees with?

Stone axes?
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Reply #56 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:27am
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
Haha.
Abos with houses and farms and cooking and parks and dams and wells and....BULLCRAP! They were to thick to have a wheel....which would have been required before any of the other claims....  Grin
Haha....
If throwing a roo on a fire complete with fur and guts etc is classed as baking......then yes, they can bake.


The Mayans come to mind as an advanced ancient civilisation that didn't conceive the idea of using the wheel for transportation. All the things you described wouldn't have needed the wheel.

It wouldn't surprise me if the claims of this author are partially true, but I believe that some claims may be exaggerated. The First Fleet arrived on the 18th of January, 1788, in Botany Bay. They left soon afterwards for Sydney Cove because the conditions differed from James Cook's description at the time and were deemed unsuitable for a settlement.
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Reply #57 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 11:27am
 
They had no nwed for a written language and mathematics because they never advanced further than being hunter gatherers.
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Reply #58 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 11:34am
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 8:37pm:
yes... and lets not forget the tooth fairy..  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


In a nutshell. Well said old boy.

The beauty of oral history, you can just keep making it up, because it is all bulshite anyway.

The massive intellects that never noticed that logs roll.
They did invent rocks, and sticks though.

Hey cuz, hook up the wombat, we got some ploughin' ta do. Cheesy

I can understand aboriginals wishing this crap were true, but the snowflakes should get it through their heads,
JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE REALITY, DOES NOT MAKE IT NOT REALITY.
Just like trans activists declaring there is no such thing as MALE and FEMALE, because to deny reality suits their insanity.
Respecting them does not help, them, or anybody else.
It is time they were just told to stop pissing about and wake up to themselves.
You can have your own opinions, but you CANNOT have your own FACTS.
Fekin loons. Fair dinkum they are poppin' up like mushrooms on a damp day.
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Reply #59 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:48pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 8:24pm:
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Mr Pascoe said he had grown up with stories of massacres, separation of families and institutional racism, but he had not heard about the wonders of Aboriginal agriculture until late on in his life.

He said it “fell into its path” as he searched for the story of his own family history when he met elders of his own Aboriginal family.

“When I spoke to them, I was taken to task because of my own misunderstanding of history and the stuff I had learned at school,” he said.

“Once I realised that my reading of history was appalling, I then had to refurbish my own brain and once I did that and started reading a few explorers’ journals, I began to realise that an unbelievably different story to be told about the country and I couldn’t believe how stupid I had been.”

Mr Pascoe said there was a bit of backlash against his ideas from certain historians when he first started writing about his theories in 2013, but since then, he said the majority of people he has spoken to, especially young people, have been enthusiastic about his arguments.

Now he wants Australians to look at the settlers’ journals and decide which version of history they believe.

“Teachers are just teaching what they learnt in school, so we need to expand resources so they and the children can access the journals,” he said. “Then, they can make their own mind up about what our history was really like.”



https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/indigenous-historian-bruce-pascoe...

I posted this here as requested by mothra. When will the unjustified ban on mothra and JS be lifted?? FD?

Mothra is an idiot: you aren't the fascist overlord of the world brutha!
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Reply #60 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:50pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:36am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:31pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


So, when will mothra and JS be unbanned or at least you summon up the manhood to tell them the reason for the ban?


Oh, piss off.


Moderators, address this language immediately.

Moderators don't have to explain themselves to dumb feminist idiots!  Cheesy

Dumb feminist idiots wouldn't even explain themselves to their own fellow dumb feminist idiots !!

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Reply #61 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:51pm
 
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Why does she need to post here? Doesn't your forum satisfy her needs?

Yes, but  apparently getting slaves to spread her shite is more satisfying!

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Reply #62 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:52pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:01pm:
There's evidence they had a space agency abiut 10000 years before white colonisation and had actually developed faster than light space travel. They found exploring the universe rather boring and gave it all up for sticks and goon.

Like the irish in that family guy episode, lol!

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Reply #63 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:10pm
 
Well - where are the settler's journals?  All I see so far is rhetoric and the same apparent occurrence as the mysterious disappearance of John Smith's Golden Tablets of Mormon...  God apparently handed him golden tablets on which was written a 'new law of god', like those of Moses, but nobody ever saw them and they mysteriously vanished.  Mohamed couldn't have done better out there in Nowheresland.

Same thing seems to have happened to all the 'documentary evidence' for this position of Pascoe's.... so we are expected to rely on his chats with family members long after the events.

'young people are enthusiastic about the idea' - young people steeped in the religion of Victimhood are always enthusiastic about anything anyone hands them as Gospel - since they lack the experience, often the education, and certainly the nous to know the difference.

The ex and I used to play a game when traveling around - somewhere in South America an archaeologist saw the shapes of an extinct civilisation's buildings in land forms - turned out to be right....... so the ex and I would go around looking for conical hills that could likely be Aboriginal pyramids..... The Treeless Plain near Cooma is full of them.... all dedicated to the study of medicine, astronomy, the arts, philosophy, and science...... oh - and time and space travel....  Shocked
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Reply #64 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:37pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
I think there's a bit of embellishing here. The indigenous peoples were not a complex civilisation. They didn't have writing; they didn't have large urban settlements; no surplus of agriculture; and they didn't have the capital and coercive institutions we see in other civilisations.

This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself: no empire has ever lasted even a fraction of that time. They indigenous peoples also left the environment untouched and pristine.

If we recognise the uniqueness of indigenous culture, rather than trying to retell history in order to satisfy the progressives, then we can fully more appreciate indigenous culture for what it is.


They were not what one would classify as a civilisation or empire now, were they? It's like saying people have "survived" in Africa for 500k years, that does not mean there was any civilisation or empire involved.


Civilisation has many meanings and connotations. When I talk about a civilisation, I'm talking about a specific type of social and political organisation of a society that can be categorised as 'complex'. Complex doesn't mean better or superior. It's just different. Complexity means that are more intertwining and inter-connected facets.

On the other hand, we can use the term civilisation to refer to a culture which is more civilised than another; i.e. the latter is barbaric and primitive.
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Reply #65 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:38pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:48pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 8:24pm:
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HOW BRUCE DISCOVERED THIS

Mr Pascoe said he had grown up with stories of massacres, separation of families and institutional racism, but he had not heard about the wonders of Aboriginal agriculture until late on in his life.

He said it “fell into its path” as he searched for the story of his own family history when he met elders of his own Aboriginal family.

“When I spoke to them, I was taken to task because of my own misunderstanding of history and the stuff I had learned at school,” he said.

“Once I realised that my reading of history was appalling, I then had to refurbish my own brain and once I did that and started reading a few explorers’ journals, I began to realise that an unbelievably different story to be told about the country and I couldn’t believe how stupid I had been.”

Mr Pascoe said there was a bit of backlash against his ideas from certain historians when he first started writing about his theories in 2013, but since then, he said the majority of people he has spoken to, especially young people, have been enthusiastic about his arguments.

Now he wants Australians to look at the settlers’ journals and decide which version of history they believe.

“Teachers are just teaching what they learnt in school, so we need to expand resources so they and the children can access the journals,” he said. “Then, they can make their own mind up about what our history was really like.”



https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/indigenous-historian-bruce-pascoe...

I posted this here as requested by mothra. When will the unjustified ban on mothra and JS be lifted?? FD?

Mothra is an idiot: you aren't the fascist overlord of the world brutha!


So, you believe being an idiot warrants a ban?? Unless you know the real reason why they were banned?
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Reply #66 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm
 
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?
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Reply #67 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:43pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:36am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:31pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


So, when will mothra and JS be unbanned or at least you summon up the manhood to tell them the reason for the ban?


Oh, piss off.


Moderators, address this language immediately.


They ought address your language & inferences first.
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Reply #68 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:52pm
 
RE: the original OP.

Pascoes version of history is a far from correct as you can get.

And all his writings should be classed as fiction or childrens fairytales.
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Reply #69 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:57pm
 
What a load of codswallop Monk....  what were you taught at school?
Were you taught what was claimed in the article...  I wasn't.
Were some Aborigines/Tribes nomadic hunters and gatherers...  well yes some were.

Does the term "walkabout" mean anything to you?

Were there signs of cities and permanent buildings of any stature? No... The wheel perhaps?  Domestication and or breeding of animals for food perhaps?  Agriculture on any large scale? Any major inventions or technology perhaps?

Anywhere in Australia? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

As for Mothballs and Smitty...  2 less major trolls here is an improvement.  Wassup want to get rid of them from your copy of PA?
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Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


That's usually how things work out. Not even the aborigines are volunteering to live like their ancestors.
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Reply #71 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:18pm
 
Spot on. Where's all this technology in the 'traditional' Aboriginal communities in 2018? The only traditions I see in Aboriginal communities is grog and crime.
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Reply #72 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:15pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


That's usually how things work out. Not even the aborigines are volunteering to live like their ancestors.


So, is the White Man superior to the Indigenous Man, genetically?
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Reply #73 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:30pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


It's a reasonable yardstick.

I actually think all this revisionist crap by handwringing lefties trying to elevate Aboriginal culture to mystical levels is actually more racist than accurately characterising what their society was actually like.

Just accept what they were and the reasons they never evolved a complex society or technology because of isolation.

Humans mingling with other groups and sharing ideas is what drove progress (and still does) and Aboriginals mostly lacked that and any group of humans isolated for so long would probably have similar results.

I have no problem saying their culture was the least advanced of any humans while accepting they're still people worthy of their hopes and dreams being fulfilled.
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Reply #74 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:32pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


It's a reasonable yardstick.

I actually think all this revisionist crap by handwringing lefties trying to elevate Aboriginal culture to mystical levels is actually more racist than accurately characterising what their society was actually like.

Just accept what they were and the reasons they never evolved a complex society or technology because of isolation.

Humans mingling with other groups and sharing ideas is what drove progress (and still does) and Aboriginals mostly lacked that and any group of humans isolated for so long would probably have similar results.

I have no problem saying their culture was the least advanced of any humans while accepting they're still people worthy of their hopes and dreams being fulfilled.


So long as we always hold on to the principal that 'no person is beneath dignity'. We must treat everyone humanely and equally under the law.
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I equate this to historical revisions painting the Nazis in a positive light because of their technological developments. Should one's feelings dictate the way we view history?
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Reply #76 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:38pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


It's a reasonable yardstick.

I actually think all this revisionist crap by handwringing lefties trying to elevate Aboriginal culture to mystical levels is actually more racist than accurately characterising what their society was actually like.

Just accept what they were and the reasons they never evolved a complex society or technology because of isolation.

Humans mingling with other groups and sharing ideas is what drove progress (and still does) and Aboriginals mostly lacked that and any group of humans isolated for so long would probably have similar results.

I have no problem saying their culture was the least advanced of any humans while accepting they're still people worthy of their hopes and dreams being fulfilled.



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Reply #77 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:41pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:15pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


That's usually how things work out. Not even the aborigines are volunteering to live like their ancestors.


So, is the White Man superior to the Indigenous Man, genetically?


I understand we have a higher tolerance for alcohol.
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freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:41pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:15pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


That's usually how things work out. Not even the aborigines are volunteering to live like their ancestors.


So, is the White Man superior to the Indigenous Man, genetically?


I understand we have a higher tolerance for alcohol.


Is this your attempt to evade answers to questions, so that I can't quote you as being a racist?
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Reply #79 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:43pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:41pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:15pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


That's usually how things work out. Not even the aborigines are volunteering to live like their ancestors.


So, is the White Man superior to the Indigenous Man, genetically?


I understand we have a higher tolerance for alcohol.


Is this your attempt to evade answers to questions, so that I can't quote you as being a racist?


No.
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Reply #80 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:46pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:15pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


That's usually how things work out. Not even the aborigines are volunteering to live like their ancestors.


So, is the White Man superior to the Indigenous Man, genetically?


No, but there are probably still physical difficulties they need to overcome.

Aboriginals have been doing things the same way for an awfully long time and it will take a while for them to adapt to modernity. They've been using their brains the same way for 50k years with no maths, no written language.

Whitey has only been here for bout 250 years yet many Aboriginals are only in their first or second generation of literacy.

It's going to take a while.
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Reply #81 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:41pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:15pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
Quote:
This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


That's usually how things work out. Not even the aborigines are volunteering to live like their ancestors.


So, is the White Man superior to the Indigenous Man, genetically?


I understand we have a higher tolerance for alcohol.


Is this your attempt to evade answers to questions, so that I can't quote you as being a racist?


No.


So, answer the question: yes or no?
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UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:25am:
Jasin wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:57pm:
The early Penal Settlement was going to fail.
The men couldn't cut the trees, they couldn't feed themselves.
They were 'aliens' in an alien world and they were slowly dying.
If it wasn't for the Aboriginals who helped them, fed them, watered them, helped them make fires - the 'colony' would have perished before the next shipment of...

...people smuggling.


Aborigines did nothing of anything that can be construed as helpful. In fact, during the starvation period of the first fleeters, aborigines would simply walk into the camp and just steal the goods that were in storage. The settlers were too weak to do anything about it.

Even when governor Phillip wanted to dialogue with aborigines, they ran off or did not want anything to do with the new arrivals.


What a croc of Imperialistic White PROPAGANDA

...just like Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson: Glorious White dudes who 'struggled' to find the way across the Great Dividing Land as the 'history' books said.
While Aboriginals had numerous 'paths' across and one just for the hapless whities to follow.  Roll Eyes

One only has to look at the MEDIA and its USA infused CORRUPTION of other nation's histories and cultures.
It's this same 'Bull-crapola' that infested Australian colonialism as propaganda.

Come to Australia, get Aboriginals to help them, then stab them in the back.
Good example of the 'white backstab' happened to a Victorian Tribe who 'lived up to' the White Standards, but were still backstabbed.

Even today - 'Western' Anglo Australians can't cut the mustard here: all Gay, nil breeding capacity and the Political system can only 'afford' to be in power here if the women are working for the economy and not population growth. Tongue
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Reply #83 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:09pm
 
I don't think you are truly addressing the arguments in the OP, Jas. The English came to Australia to take ownership and advantage of her land and resources. The natives, a tough and resilient group of people,  were swept aside. That's well established. What is up for debate is contentions by left-wing historians that we've all besn lied to about how advanced and 'civilised' the aborigines were. There just isn't the evidence to support these claims.
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Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28am:
Auggie wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
I think there's a bit of embellishing here. The indigenous peoples were not a complex civilisation. They didn't have writing; they didn't have large urban settlements; no surplus of agriculture; and they didn't have the capital and coercive institutions we see in other civilisations.

This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself: no empire has ever lasted even a fraction of that time. They indigenous peoples also left the environment untouched and pristine.

If we recognise the uniqueness of indigenous culture, rather than trying to retell history in order to satisfy the progressives, then we can fully more appreciate indigenous culture for what it is.




You don't think that maybe it had something to do with the shear size and remoteness of this land that allowed them to live for donkeys without farming.
They'd burn thousands of hectares of land... then move on. They were lazy back then and they still are.
If they had any threats like vikings etc they would have been wiped out....lucky some pommies landed here and developed a liking for them and eventually allowed them to remain uncivilised as they can so freely be today, if they wish.


Actually, Auggie is kinda right.

Aboriginal culture was not complex in regards to
1. Military
2. constructing Temples, Buildings, Military Fortifications
3. Religion via Mythologies
4. Dependent on River systems for Agriculture
5. WAR for Power.
etc, etc

But their culture was the best ever example of attaining 'Oneness' with the Environment.
I have no doubt that the 10,000 year drought scuttled the Aboriginal culture that left us with a 'shadow' of its former glory previously, when the World came to visit.

Aboriginals turned Australia into one of the most manicured 'Real Estates' on the planet. Australia itself was one big NATURAL farm of productivity and harvest.
Vast 'Parklands' (quoted by early Explorers) where Roos/Emus abounded, of vast forests with pathways galore.
The WHOLE continent was basically an eco-system ...a 'Garden'.

Then the retarded white people came with their 'superior civilisation' entirely in servitude to the 'citi-Zens' of Asia.  Roll Eyes Took them over 200 years to improve their Farming methods ...by which time they had chopped down 80% of Australia's Forestry (which makes 'rain')  Roll Eyes to achieve it. ===retards

It's quite obvious that when it comes to 'natural' Farming - the Blacks are far superior. Even now when it comes to 'commercial' Farming the Blacks look like over-taking the Whites on that level too. Check out all the 'black' Farmers out there in the 'sun' where the Whities burn.
Grin
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One myth I am sick of hearing is that Aboriginals lived in harmony with nature.

Total nonsense, they wiped out species, changed the vegetation and introduced a feral species.

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Reply #86 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:24pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28am:
Auggie wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
I think there's a bit of embellishing here. The indigenous peoples were not a complex civilisation. They didn't have writing; they didn't have large urban settlements; no surplus of agriculture; and they didn't have the capital and coercive institutions we see in other civilisations.

This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself: no empire has ever lasted even a fraction of that time. They indigenous peoples also left the environment untouched and pristine.

If we recognise the uniqueness of indigenous culture, rather than trying to retell history in order to satisfy the progressives, then we can fully more appreciate indigenous culture for what it is.




You don't think that maybe it had something to do with the shear size and remoteness of this land that allowed them to live for donkeys without farming.
They'd burn thousands of hectares of land... then move on. They were lazy back then and they still are.
If they had any threats like vikings etc they would have been wiped out....lucky some pommies landed here and developed a liking for them and eventually allowed them to remain uncivilised as they can so freely be today, if they wish.


Actually, Auggie is kinda right.

Aboriginal culture was not complex in regards to
1. Military
2. constructing Temples, Buildings, Military Fortifications
3. Religion via Mythologies
4. Dependent on River systems for Agriculture
5. WAR for Power.
etc, etc

But their culture was the best ever example of attaining 'Oneness' with the Environment.
I have no doubt that the 10,000 year drought scuttled the Aboriginal culture that left us with a 'shadow' of its former glory previously, when the World came to visit.

Aboriginals turned Australia into one of the most manicured 'Real Estates' on the planet. Australia itself was one big NATURAL farm of productivity and harvest.
Vast 'Parklands' (quoted by early Explorers) where Roos/Emus abounded, of vast forests with pathways galore.
The WHOLE continent was basically an eco-system ...a 'Garden'.

Then the retarded white people came with their 'superior civilisation' entirely in servitude to the 'citi-Zens' of Asia.  Roll Eyes Took them over 200 years to improve their Farming methods ...by which time they had chopped down 80% of Australia's Forestry (which makes 'rain')  Roll Eyes to achieve it. ===retards

It's quite obvious that when it comes to 'natural' Farming - the Blacks are far superior. Even now when it comes to 'commercial' Farming the Blacks look like over-taking the Whites on that level too. Check out all the 'black' Farmers out there in the 'sun' where the Whities burn.
Grin


Except for massive levels of starvation and malnutrition in Africa and the sub-continent, of course.
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New 
    V    
Old


Nth America     V       Asia
Sahul (Aust)     V       Africa
Sth America      V       Europe
Oceania            V       Middle-East


...get your tickets now!


*Note:

It's really Oceania on the side of Africa, Asia & Europe.
While the Middle-East supports the New Worlds.


...hence why the Oceanian 'MEDIA' just can't deal with Australia, USA anymore  Wink
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Everything conspired in the USA & Australia has been the MEDIA culture and its 'corruption' of these countries.

But now, they are being turfed out to Oceania where they belong.
There - they can spruik their African, European, Asian bias to their hearts content.
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I think you need a break Auggie... the "R" word seems to be a preoccupation with you lately...  you keep trying to pin it on people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk....
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Jasin wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:55pm:
Everything conspired in the USA & Australia has been the MEDIA culture and its 'corruption' of these countries.

But now, they are being turfed out to Oceania where they belong.
There - they can spruik their African, European, Asian bias to their hearts content.


So just to cherry pick here. Do you think agricultural production is more efficient in Australia or Africa?
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Reply #91 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 8:38am
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28am:
Auggie wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
I think there's a bit of embellishing here. The indigenous peoples were not a complex civilisation. They didn't have writing; they didn't have large urban settlements; no surplus of agriculture; and they didn't have the capital and coercive institutions we see in other civilisations.

This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself: no empire has ever lasted even a fraction of that time. They indigenous peoples also left the environment untouched and pristine.

If we recognise the uniqueness of indigenous culture, rather than trying to retell history in order to satisfy the progressives, then we can fully more appreciate indigenous culture for what it is.




You don't think that maybe it had something to do with the shear size and remoteness of this land that allowed them to live for donkeys without farming.
They'd burn thousands of hectares of land... then move on. They were lazy back then and they still are.
If they had any threats like vikings etc they would have been wiped out....lucky some pommies landed here and developed a liking for them and eventually allowed them to remain uncivilised as they can so freely be today, if they wish.


Actually, Auggie is kinda right.

Aboriginal culture was not complex in regards to
1. Military
2. constructing Temples, Buildings, Military Fortifications
3. Religion via Mythologies
4. Dependent on River systems for Agriculture
5. WAR for Power.
etc, etc

But their culture was the best ever example of attaining 'Oneness' with the Environment.
I have no doubt that the 10,000 year drought scuttled the Aboriginal culture that left us with a 'shadow' of its former glory previously, when the World came to visit.

Aboriginals turned Australia into one of the most manicured 'Real Estates' on the planet. Australia itself was one big NATURAL farm of productivity and harvest.
Vast 'Parklands' (quoted by early Explorers) where Roos/Emus abounded, of vast forests with pathways galore.
The WHOLE continent was basically an eco-system ...a 'Garden'.

Then the retarded white people came with their 'superior civilisation' entirely in servitude to the 'citi-Zens' of Asia.  Roll Eyes Took them over 200 years to improve their Farming methods ...by which time they had chopped down 80% of Australia's Forestry (which makes 'rain')  Roll Eyes to achieve it. ===retards

It's quite obvious that when it comes to 'natural' Farming - the Blacks are far superior. Even now when it comes to 'commercial' Farming the Blacks look like over-taking the Whites on that level too. Check out all the 'black' Farmers out there in the 'sun' where the Whities burn.
Grin


For low populations I have no doubt that this country was thriving. But trying to feed a multiplying population that is leaning more and more to life "preservation", and taking out natural selection, the lands had to be cleared to farm. We need to eat. That is why abo populations were low. They could never have supplied enough food for an expanding population.

Also, with no outside threat of invasion they were left to just "be animals". They addapted to this land. But to say they created gardens etc is not correct. The land existed how it was, it was never made that way by the abo populations. Remains of their camps are still present to this day. They raped the land for everything it had and then moved on. This gave that abandoned land time to rejuvenate by itself. There was no revegitaion programs etc. It was natural. So if there was 10 milliin abos back then they wouldnhave had to work out better ways to supply food.
The same would happen today if we were wiped out. Sure our buildings and structures would remain for a long time but plants and animals would take over and the land would slowley rejuvenate itself.
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Reply #92 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:01am
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28am:
Auggie wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
I think there's a bit of embellishing here. The indigenous peoples were not a complex civilisation. They didn't have writing; they didn't have large urban settlements; no surplus of agriculture; and they didn't have the capital and coercive institutions we see in other civilisations.

This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself: no empire has ever lasted even a fraction of that time. They indigenous peoples also left the environment untouched and pristine.

If we recognise the uniqueness of indigenous culture, rather than trying to retell history in order to satisfy the progressives, then we can fully more appreciate indigenous culture for what it is.




You don't think that maybe it had something to do with the shear size and remoteness of this land that allowed them to live for donkeys without farming.
They'd burn thousands of hectares of land... then move on. They were lazy back then and they still are.
If they had any threats like vikings etc they would have been wiped out....lucky some pommies landed here and developed a liking for them and eventually allowed them to remain uncivilised as they can so freely be today, if they wish.


Actually, Auggie is kinda right.

Aboriginal culture was not complex in regards to
1. Military
2. constructing Temples, Buildings, Military Fortifications
3. Religion via Mythologies
4. Dependent on River systems for Agriculture
5. WAR for Power.
etc, etc

But their culture was the best ever example of attaining 'Oneness' with the Environment.
I have no doubt that the 10,000 year drought scuttled the Aboriginal culture that left us with a 'shadow' of its former glory previously, when the World came to visit.

Aboriginals turned Australia into one of the most manicured 'Real Estates' on the planet. Australia itself was one big NATURAL farm of productivity and harvest.
Vast 'Parklands' (quoted by early Explorers) where Roos/Emus abounded, of vast forests with pathways galore.
The WHOLE continent was basically an eco-system ...a 'Garden'.

Then the retarded white people came with their 'superior civilisation' entirely in servitude to the 'citi-Zens' of Asia.  Roll Eyes Took them over 200 years to improve their Farming methods ...by which time they had chopped down 80% of Australia's Forestry (which makes 'rain')  Roll Eyes to achieve it. ===retards

It's quite obvious that when it comes to 'natural' Farming - the Blacks are far superior. Even now when it comes to 'commercial' Farming the Blacks look like over-taking the Whites on that level too. Check out all the 'black' Farmers out there in the 'sun' where the Whities burn.
Grin


No wonder you are leaving Ozpol .... you must be having a really bad day ..... what a load of bollocks.

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Reply #93 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:06am
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 8:38am:
Jasin wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28am:
Auggie wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
I think there's a bit of embellishing here. The indigenous peoples were not a complex civilisation. They didn't have writing; they didn't have large urban settlements; no surplus of agriculture; and they didn't have the capital and coercive institutions we see in other civilisations.

This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself: no empire has ever lasted even a fraction of that time. They indigenous peoples also left the environment untouched and pristine.

If we recognise the uniqueness of indigenous culture, rather than trying to retell history in order to satisfy the progressives, then we can fully more appreciate indigenous culture for what it is.




You don't think that maybe it had something to do with the shear size and remoteness of this land that allowed them to live for donkeys without farming.
They'd burn thousands of hectares of land... then move on. They were lazy back then and they still are.
If they had any threats like vikings etc they would have been wiped out....lucky some pommies landed here and developed a liking for them and eventually allowed them to remain uncivilised as they can so freely be today, if they wish.


Actually, Auggie is kinda right.

Aboriginal culture was not complex in regards to
1. Military
2. constructing Temples, Buildings, Military Fortifications
3. Religion via Mythologies
4. Dependent on River systems for Agriculture
5. WAR for Power.
etc, etc

But their culture was the best ever example of attaining 'Oneness' with the Environment.
I have no doubt that the 10,000 year drought scuttled the Aboriginal culture that left us with a 'shadow' of its former glory previously, when the World came to visit.

Aboriginals turned Australia into one of the most manicured 'Real Estates' on the planet. Australia itself was one big NATURAL farm of productivity and harvest.
Vast 'Parklands' (quoted by early Explorers) where Roos/Emus abounded, of vast forests with pathways galore.
The WHOLE continent was basically an eco-system ...a 'Garden'.

Then the retarded white people came with their 'superior civilisation' entirely in servitude to the 'citi-Zens' of Asia.  Roll Eyes Took them over 200 years to improve their Farming methods ...by which time they had chopped down 80% of Australia's Forestry (which makes 'rain')  Roll Eyes to achieve it. ===retards

It's quite obvious that when it comes to 'natural' Farming - the Blacks are far superior. Even now when it comes to 'commercial' Farming the Blacks look like over-taking the Whites on that level too. Check out all the 'black' Farmers out there in the 'sun' where the Whities burn.
Grin


For low populations I have no doubt that this country was thriving. But trying to feed a multiplying population that is leaning more and more to life "preservation", and taking out natural selection, the lands had to be cleared to farm. We need to eat. That is why abo populations were low. They could never have supplied enough food for an expanding population.

Also, with no outside threat of invasion they were left to just "be animals". They addapted to this land. But to say they created gardens etc is not correct. The land existed how it was, it was never made that way by the abo populations. Remains of their camps are still present to this day. They raped the land for everything it had and then moved on. This gave that abandoned land time to rejuvenate by itself. There was no revegitaion programs etc. It was natural. So if there was 10 milliin abos back then they wouldnhave had to work out better ways to supply food.
The same would happen today if we were wiped out. Sure our buildings and structures would remain for a long time but plants and animals would take over and the land would slowley rejuvenate itself.


Fire & the use of fire by Aboriginals is oft quoted as having a changing effect on this continents landscape.

The arid heart hasn't always been an arid heart.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-15098959

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https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-15098959

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https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-15098959
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The photo(Milky Way) has no resemblance to an emu to me & Reg Abrahams is just another Bruce Pascoe.
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Gnads wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:57am:
The photo(Milky Way) has no resemblance to an emu to me & Reg Abrahams is just another Bruce Pascoe. 


The star photo probably is not a good representation of what you can see in the outback without light pollution. 

Similar to say the scorpius

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpius

Which can probably be interpreted as a rose with a stem.  So, something like this does not have to be absolute representation, but relative.
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'Oneness with the environment'?  They had no choice - they were born into it, they struggled with it for short lives, they died in it.....

By that reasoning every 'culture' has achieved oneness with its environment... we should be lauding to high heaven the Arab culture of survival in the desert... or the Africans beating off the hordes of ravenous wildlife intent on consuming them.... or the Picts pushing the Romans out(what Roman in his right mind would want to control Scotland?) ...

There is no Added Virtue in surviving within an environment... it is a simple fact of life and death.

I think we can leave it to 'simple respect for their ability to get by in a hostile environment in which they no longer live' and Move On!!
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Thanks Grap saved me a post.
Scholars have already refuted the myth of the noble savage and utopian existence.  Greenies and children show such ignorance.
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Some may think me a meanie for holding such views - but I never met an Aboriginal I didn't like.....

.... their kids taste just as good whether roasted, barbecued with sauce, fried, boiled, or spit roasted or even turned into a stew.... love kids .. eat two of 'em for breakfast every morning... gotta watch out for the small bones, though....
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If aborigines used all the things then where is the  archeological evidence. Even the boomerang was used by other ancient peoples around the world so they didn't invent that either. What a load of crap.
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I think this is what Pascoe is referring to.  I think....

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/is-this-mysterious-site-australias-stonehenge/news-story/c1dc16df2aeb9003a288acf6c7e5d243
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I think this is what Pascoe is referring to.  I think....

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/is-this-mysterious-site-australias-s...


Fixed again.

And a grouping of stones in some shape doesn't mean anything like what Pascoe or his mate Abrahams are inferring.

They did that to make fish traps as well.

They still use stone walled fish traps.

That mound sounds like it awful close to Nimbin ...

I wonder what them Hippies mighta been up to ey?  Grin
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Didn't the Bush Tucker Man reckon that the aboriginals could have lived quite well "off the land" and that running fast to catch a kangaroo for the BBQ made their legs skinny and their bums big? Rather like the African-Americans.
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Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.
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According to Brian's article, the aborigines "farmed" the land by burning the grass and hunting the roos that later came to eat the fresh growth. If we set the bar that low, then I am farming fish every time I burley up.

Any idea what Pascoe means when he talks about sheds and houses?

Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:53pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:41pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:15pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


That's usually how things work out. Not even the aborigines are volunteering to live like their ancestors.


So, is the White Man superior to the Indigenous Man, genetically?


I understand we have a higher tolerance for alcohol.


Is this your attempt to evade answers to questions, so that I can't quote you as being a racist?


No.


So, answer the question: yes or no?


In what way was my previous answer unclear?
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Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


The Original Indigenous Peoples didn't even discover FIRE.

They didn't get past the neanderthal, and still haven't.
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Not at all.

If the Right wants to win arguments and enhance its support among the population, it needs to work with moderates (such as myself) and come to a consensus.

I'm not going to compromise with you if you're a flat-out racist. Prove to me you're not, and I'll reach you halfway. That's more than what the Left are even willing to do.
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According to Brian's article, the aborigines "farmed" the land by burning the grass and hunting the roos that later came to eat the fresh growth. If we set the bar that low, then I am farming fish every time I burley up.

Any idea what Pascoe means when he talks about sheds and houses?

Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:53pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:41pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:15pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


That's usually how things work out. Not even the aborigines are volunteering to live like their ancestors.


So, is the White Man superior to the Indigenous Man, genetically?


I understand we have a higher tolerance for alcohol.


Is this your attempt to evade answers to questions, so that I can't quote you as being a racist?


No.


So, answer the question: yes or no?


In what way was my previous answer unclear?


You didn't answer yes or no. You made up some whimsical example about how we 'can tolerate wine better'. That's an insufficient answer.
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Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


So, when will mothra and JS be unbanned or at least you summon up the manhood to tell them the reason for the ban?


Oh, piss off.

You are FD, are you?

I intend to keep on asking.


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Auggie wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.
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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


Still the least developed human societies.
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Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


Still the least developed human societies.


Yes, but you've assimilated, Gordon. You fingered that Boong.

Intact, wasn't he?
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I've listened to a few dream time stories. I don't recall mention of wells, farms, dams etc. History isn't something that's determined by what 'feels good'.
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Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:39pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


Still the least developed human societies.


Yes, but you've assimilated, Gordon. You fingered that Boong.

Intact, wasn't he?


Don't you get bored of lying?
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I've listened to a few dream time stories.


Homo went to school with one.
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Aboriginal maths.  LoL

They didn't store goods or trade extensively so no need to count.
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Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:39pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


Still the least developed human societies.


Yes, but you've assimilated, Gordon. You fingered that Boong.

Intact, wasn't he?


Don't you get bored of lying?


Down the back of the Dubbo oval after the game. You said.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:39pm:
I've listened to a few dream time stories.


Homo went to school with one.


I've heard the one about the tinted call-centre employee who served in Nam. (Drinks at the Nambucca Hotel.)
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There are many accounts of English settlers in North America who went over to live with the Native Americans, who "went native" because life was so much better with them than in a miserable colony. While I have read Australian history, I can't think of any similar tales off hand, but there must be some ... but I don't think the living was as good with the Abos as it was with the Indians.
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Aboriginal maths.  LoL

They didn't store goods or trade extensively so no need to count.


He thinks he's better than us, Homo. Superior culture, innit.

They invented a Plastibell.
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You're pretty much an aborigine. So, cram your 'us' with chestnuts.
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There are many accounts of English settlers in North America who went over to live with the Native Americans, who "went native" because life was so much better with them than in a miserable colony. While I have read Australian history, I can't think of any similar tales off hand, but there must be some ... but I don't think the living was as good with the Abos as it was with the Indians.


Didn't a few stage coach drivers go live with indians?
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You're pretty much an aborigine..


Oh, I know. We grew here, Homo, Gordon flew here.

They invented a Sheldon Shield.

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Did they own plates or were they uber, Gordy?
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Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:50pm:
You're pretty much an aborigine..


Oh, I know. We grew here, Homo, Gordon flew here.

They invented a Sheldon Shield.


I suppose you did...when Australia was part of Gondwana.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:50pm:
You're pretty much an aborigine..


Oh, I know. We grew here, Homo, Gordon flew here.

They invented a Sheldon Shield.


I suppose you did...when Australia was part of Gondwane.


Full blood Dharug from Western Sydney. We invented a stick. Intact.

You?
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Descendent of the men that killed your ancestors.
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AiA wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:47pm:
There are many accounts of English settlers in North America who went over to live with the Native Americans, who "went native" because life was so much better with them than in a miserable colony. While I have read Australian history, I can't think of any similar tales off hand, but there must be some ... but I don't think the living was as good with the Abos as it was with the Indians.


Didn't a few stage coach drivers go live with indians?



Yes, to trade whiskey for beaded seat covers  Smiley

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It's pretty funny how the lefties always try to anthropomorphise Abos.
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AiA wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:01pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:52pm:
AiA wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:47pm:
There are many accounts of English settlers in North America who went over to live with the Native Americans, who "went native" because life was so much better with them than in a miserable colony. While I have read Australian history, I can't think of any similar tales off hand, but there must be some ... but I don't think the living was as good with the Abos as it was with the Indians.


Didn't a few stage coach drivers go live with indians?



Yes, to trade whiskey for beaded seat covers  Smiley



Didn't they have Bundy Rum?
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Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:04pm:
AiA wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:01pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:52pm:
AiA wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:47pm:
There are many accounts of English settlers in North America who went over to live with the Native Americans, who "went native" because life was so much better with them than in a miserable colony. While I have read Australian history, I can't think of any similar tales off hand, but there must be some ... but I don't think the living was as good with the Abos as it was with the Indians.


Didn't a few stage coach drivers go live with indians?



Yes, to trade whiskey for beaded seat covers  Smiley



Didn't they have Bundy Rum?


Yes, a tablespoon of Bundy Rum in the baby bottle calmed the infants right down ...
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It's pretty funny how the lefties always try to anthropomorphise Abos.


Oh? I've never visited one of you people's Belview Hill homes without a dot painting hanging on a feature wall.

Homo knows what I mean. He hasn't been to a leafy white enclave since he was speared by a front-lawn Aborigine.
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Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:03pm:
It's pretty funny how the lefties always try to anthropomorphise Abos.


Oh? I've never visited one of you people's Belview Hill homes without a dot painting hanging on a feature wall.

Homo knows what I mean. He hasn't been to a leafy white enclave since he was speared by a front-lawn Aborigine.



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Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:03pm:
It's pretty funny how the lefties always try to anthropomorphise Abos.


Oh? I've never visited one of you people's Belview Hill homes without a dot painting hanging on a feature wall.

Homo knows what I mean. He hasn't been to a leafy white enclave since he was speared by a front-lawn Aborigine.
Funny thing about dot paintings, they arent an Aboriginal invention.
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Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:03pm:
It's pretty funny how the lefties always try to anthropomorphise Abos.


Oh? I've never visited one of you people's Belview Hill homes without a dot painting hanging on a feature wall.

Homo knows what I mean. He hasn't been to a leafy white enclave since he was speared by a front-lawn Aborigine.

The only dot paintings I see out my way are on Indian ladies foreheads dear.
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rhino wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:16am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:03pm:
It's pretty funny how the lefties always try to anthropomorphise Abos.


Oh? I've never visited one of you people's Belview Hill homes without a dot painting hanging on a feature wall.

Homo knows what I mean. He hasn't been to a leafy white enclave since he was speared by a front-lawn Aborigine.
Funny thing about dot paintings, they arent an Aboriginal invention.


Good point. Photo-realism, innit.
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Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:25pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:16am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:03pm:
It's pretty funny how the lefties always try to anthropomorphise Abos.


Oh? I've never visited one of you people's Belview Hill homes without a dot painting hanging on a feature wall.

Homo knows what I mean. He hasn't been to a leafy white enclave since he was speared by a front-lawn Aborigine.
Funny thing about dot paintings, they arent an Aboriginal invention.


Good point. Photo-realism, innit.

Multicultural realism babe.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:17pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:03pm:
It's pretty funny how the lefties always try to anthropomorphise Abos.


Oh? I've never visited one of you people's Belview Hill homes without a dot painting hanging on a feature wall.

Homo knows what I mean. He hasn't been to a leafy white enclave since he was speared by a front-lawn Aborigine.

The only dot paintings I see out my way are on Indian ladies foreheads dear.


Not Pakis?

Shurely shome mishtake.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:27pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:25pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:16am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:03pm:
It's pretty funny how the lefties always try to anthropomorphise Abos.


Oh? I've never visited one of you people's Belview Hill homes without a dot painting hanging on a feature wall.

Homo knows what I mean. He hasn't been to a leafy white enclave since he was speared by a front-lawn Aborigine.
Funny thing about dot paintings, they arent an Aboriginal invention.


Good point. Photo-realism, innit.

Multicultural realism babe.


That's right. Dot paintings weren't around until the 1970s, as every schoolboy knows.
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Reply #142 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:32pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:27pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:25pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:16am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:03pm:
It's pretty funny how the lefties always try to anthropomorphise Abos.


Oh? I've never visited one of you people's Belview Hill homes without a dot painting hanging on a feature wall.

Homo knows what I mean. He hasn't been to a leafy white enclave since he was speared by a front-lawn Aborigine.
Funny thing about dot paintings, they arent an Aboriginal invention.


Good point. Photo-realism, innit.

Multicultural realism babe.


That's right. Dot paintings weren't around until the 1970s, as every schoolboy knows.

Bit later than that karnal. Can't go anywhere without seeing  some miserable looking Indian nowadays.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:32pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:27pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:25pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:16am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:03pm:
It's pretty funny how the lefties always try to anthropomorphise Abos.


Oh? I've never visited one of you people's Belview Hill homes without a dot painting hanging on a feature wall.

Homo knows what I mean. He hasn't been to a leafy white enclave since he was speared by a front-lawn Aborigine.
Funny thing about dot paintings, they arent an Aboriginal invention.


Good point. Photo-realism, innit.

Multicultural realism babe.


That's right. Dot paintings weren't around until the 1970s, as every schoolboy knows.

Bit later than that karnal. Can't go anywhere without seeing  some miserable looking Indian nowadays.


Oh? They always look quite jolly to me.

That makes us miserable, no?
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Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


Still the least developed human societies.


Also the longest lasting culture the world has known, one which invented sophisticated means of living using a stick, Gordon.   Plonk a white person down in the middle of Woop-Woop and they'd survive how long?   Plonk an Indigenous person down there and they'd still be alive happily when you came to collect them again.    White colonists were lucky the Indigenous Australians took pity on them, otherwise they'd have died of thirst or starved to death when they first arrived.   Roll Eyes
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I've listened to a few dream time stories. I don't recall mention of wells, farms, dams etc. History isn't something that's determined by what 'feels good'.


White words for white things, Hammer.  Indigenous Australians used black words for the same things.   Such a colonist mindset you have.  Completely unable to accept the reality that Colonists described.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Aboriginal maths.  LoL

They didn't store goods or trade extensively so no need to count.


Their trade routes covered thousands of kilometres, Gordon. 
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AiA wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:47pm:
There are many accounts of English settlers in North America who went over to live with the Native Americans, who "went native" because life was so much better with them than in a miserable colony. While I have read Australian history, I can't think of any similar tales off hand, but there must be some ... but I don't think the living was as good with the Abos as it was with the Indians.


Quite a few white convicts, shipwrecked sailors and castaways lived long lives with Indigenous Australians for many, many years. AiA.   Look them up with a websearch.
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Reply #148 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:08pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:57pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


Still the least developed human societies.


Also the longest lasting culture the world has known, one which invented sophisticated means of living using a stick, Gordon.   Plonk a white person down in the middle of Woop-Woop and they'd survive how long?   Plonk an Indigenous person down there and they'd still be alive happily when you came to collect them again.    White colonists were lucky the Indigenous Australians took pity on them, otherwise they'd have died of thirst or starved to death when they first arrived.   Roll Eyes

How very racist and wrong of YOU bwian.
PLONKING people down in places and making assumptions about an individual's ability to survive is tenuous at best.  Know lots of Aboriginals happy to live as they do today, would be lost in the outback, no survival skills bwian  Whereas some....  what did you call them?  Oh yeah WHITE people...  would survive quite well. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
tsk, tsk, tsk bwian. 

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Reply #149 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 5:57pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


They may be more sophisticated, Brian, but they don't have the characteristics that are required to be a 'complex' civilisation according to the anthropological view: i.e. writing; large urban settlements; division of labour; domination over the nature environment, etc.

That doesn't mean that complex means superior; it just means it was different. The indigenous civilisation was unique; that they were able to survive continously for tens of thousands of years is remarkable. No Western civilisation has ever lasted a fraction of that time.

I just don't think that we should try to denigrate the achievements of other civlisations at the expense of trying to hype up another civilisation.
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Reply #150 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:21pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:39pm:
I've listened to a few dream time stories. I don't recall mention of wells, farms, dams etc. History isn't something that's determined by what 'feels good'.


White words for white things, Hammer.  Indigenous Australians used black words for the same things.   Such a colonist mindset you have.  Completely unable to accept the reality that Colonists described.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:39pm:
I've listened to a few dream time stories. I don't recall mention of wells, farms, dams etc. History isn't something that's determined by what 'feels good'.


White words for white things, Hammer.  Indigenous Australians used black words for the same things.   Such a colonist mindset you have.  Completely unable to accept the reality that Colonists described.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

You are absolutely full of s h it Brian. A brainwashed leftist. I feel sorry for you.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Hammer.  Unable to face reality?  Tsk, tsk, you need to put down your White supremacist bullshit and start reading what really was found by the Colonist.  Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:35pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:39pm:
I've listened to a few dream time stories. I don't recall mention of wells, farms, dams etc. History isn't something that's determined by what 'feels good'.


White words for white things, Hammer.  Indigenous Australians used black words for the same things.   Such a colonist mindset you have.  Completely unable to accept the reality that Colonists described.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

You are absolutely full of s h it Brian. A brainwashed leftist. I feel sorry for you.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Hammer.  Unable to face reality?  Tsk, tsk, you need to put down your White supremacist bullshit and start reading what really was found by the Colonist.  Roll Eyes

I know loads about aboriginal stoneage technology Brian. A stone fish trap which traps fish when the tide runs out is hardly aquaculture Brian. A hole in  sandstone with a rock on top is hardly a well. People like you are trying to re-write history like the fascists you are. Lucky you didn't face combat because I don't think it's in you. It was with the colonists though. They were tough. You are your typical modern Australian who is killing our country.
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Auggie wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 5:57pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


They may be more sophisticated, Brian, but they don't have the characteristics that are required to be a 'complex' civilisation according to the anthropological view: i.e. writing; large urban settlements; division of labour; domination over the nature environment, etc.

That doesn't mean that complex means superior; it just means it was different. The indigenous civilisation was unique; that they were able to survive continously for tens of thousands of years is remarkable. No Western civilisation has ever lasted a fraction of that time.

I just don't think that we should try to denigrate the achievements of other civlisations at the expense of trying to hype up another civilisation.


According to anthropological views, the Ancient Europeans, the Ancient Chinese and the Aztecs and Inca were not equipped to become advanced civilisations.  As Anthropology was created to foster European imperialism and it's views on "race", I doubt it has much value in judging the value of cultures, Augie.   Indigenous Australians developed their culture and their technology to suit their circumstances.  Some of the Colonists described their culture and technology accurate, most ignored those writings in preference for the myths they chose to construct about them.    Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 5:57pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


They may be more sophisticated, Brian, but they don't have the characteristics that are required to be a 'complex' civilisation according to the anthropological view: i.e. writing; large urban settlements; division of labour; domination over the nature environment, etc.

That doesn't mean that complex means superior; it just means it was different. The indigenous civilisation was unique; that they were able to survive continously for tens of thousands of years is remarkable. No Western civilisation has ever lasted a fraction of that time.

I just don't think that we should try to denigrate the achievements of other civlisations at the expense of trying to hype up another civilisation.


According to anthropological views, the Ancient Europeans, the Ancient Chinese and the Aztecs and Inca were not equipped to become advanced civilisations.  As Anthropology was created to foster European imperialism and it's views on "race", I doubt it has much value in judging the value of cultures, Augie.   Indigenous Australians developed their culture and their technology to suit their circumstances.  Some of the Colonists described their culture and technology accurate, most ignored those writings in preference for the myths they chose to construct about them.    Roll Eyes

The ancient Europeans learnt to smelter metal Brian. Bronze and then iron. That's what propelled them into the modern age. It never occurred to the aborigines and that is the reason they got left behind. Without metal land could not be cleared for widespread farming. Widespread ploughing could not be performed. That's why I know aborigines never did widespread farming. They didn't have metal. That's why I know they didn't do a lot of things. It was impossible without metal.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:45pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:35pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:39pm:
I've listened to a few dream time stories. I don't recall mention of wells, farms, dams etc. History isn't something that's determined by what 'feels good'.


White words for white things, Hammer.  Indigenous Australians used black words for the same things.   Such a colonist mindset you have.  Completely unable to accept the reality that Colonists described.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

You are absolutely full of s h it Brian. A brainwashed leftist. I feel sorry for you.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Hammer.  Unable to face reality?  Tsk, tsk, you need to put down your White supremacist bullshit and start reading what really was found by the Colonist.  Roll Eyes

I know loads about aboriginal stoneage technology Brian. A stone fish trap which traps fish when the tide runs out is hardly aquaculture Brian. A hole in  sandstone with a rock on top is hardly a well. People like you are trying to re-write history like the fascists you are. Lucky you didn't face combat because I don't think it's in you. It was with the colonists though. They were tough. You are your typical modern Australian who is killing our country.


You appear still unwilling to face what the Colonists wrote about the Indigenous Australians, Hammer.

Aquaculture is about the raising of sea food for human consumption, whether it uses stone or plastic is immaterial.   A "well" consists of a means of finding water, it doesn't matter how it is constructed.

As to whether or not I would have survived combat is outside this discussion, Hammer.  Indeed that you feel the need to mention just goes to show desperate you are to try and distract me.   How about we actually stick to the discussion.  Roll Eyes
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JollyGreenGiant wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:31pm:
Didn't the Bush Tucker Man reckon that the aboriginals could have lived quite well "off the land" and that running fast to catch a kangaroo for the BBQ made their legs skinny and their bums big? Rather like the African-Americans.


They certainly did live off the land ... I don't know about how well ... I spose they suffered in droughts as well .... but in reality they had no choice ... they were here a long time so they had to learn to thrive to survive.

Yep skinny legs ... but certainly didn't have an arse like an African ... in fact most had no arse much at all.

Do not confuse them with many of those today that live off softdrink & junk foods & suffer diabetes & renal disease.
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Reply #157 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:59pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:55pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:45pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:35pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:39pm:
I've listened to a few dream time stories. I don't recall mention of wells, farms, dams etc. History isn't something that's determined by what 'feels good'.


White words for white things, Hammer.  Indigenous Australians used black words for the same things.   Such a colonist mindset you have.  Completely unable to accept the reality that Colonists described.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

You are absolutely full of s h it Brian. A brainwashed leftist. I feel sorry for you.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Hammer.  Unable to face reality?  Tsk, tsk, you need to put down your White supremacist bullshit and start reading what really was found by the Colonist.  Roll Eyes

I know loads about aboriginal stoneage technology Brian. A stone fish trap which traps fish when the tide runs out is hardly aquaculture Brian. A hole in  sandstone with a rock on top is hardly a well. People like you are trying to re-write history like the fascists you are. Lucky you didn't face combat because I don't think it's in you. It was with the colonists though. They were tough. You are your typical modern Australian who is killing our country.


You appear still unwilling to face what the Colonists wrote about the Indigenous Australians, Hammer.

Aquaculture is about the raising of sea food for human consumption, whether it uses stone or plastic is immaterial.   A "well" consists of a means of finding water, it doesn't matter how it is constructed.

As to whether or not I would have survived combat is outside this discussion, Hammer.  Indeed that you feel the need to mention just goes to show desperate you are to try and distract me.   How about we actually stick to the discussion.  Roll Eyes

People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.
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Reply #158 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:00pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 5:57pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


They may be more sophisticated, Brian, but they don't have the characteristics that are required to be a 'complex' civilisation according to the anthropological view: i.e. writing; large urban settlements; division of labour; domination over the nature environment, etc.

That doesn't mean that complex means superior; it just means it was different. The indigenous civilisation was unique; that they were able to survive continously for tens of thousands of years is remarkable. No Western civilisation has ever lasted a fraction of that time.

I just don't think that we should try to denigrate the achievements of other civlisations at the expense of trying to hype up another civilisation.


According to anthropological views, the Ancient Europeans, the Ancient Chinese and the Aztecs and Inca were not equipped to become advanced civilisations.  As Anthropology was created to foster European imperialism and it's views on "race", I doubt it has much value in judging the value of cultures, Augie.   Indigenous Australians developed their culture and their technology to suit their circumstances.  Some of the Colonists described their culture and technology accurate, most ignored those writings in preference for the myths they chose to construct about them.    Roll Eyes


I think you're talking about modern 'race theory' which is pseudoscience and has no basis in fact or even science. What I'm talking about is the definition of a 'complex civilisation'. We are recognise that civilisations evolved different according to those circumstances. Some evolved within complexity; others to a varying degree; and others didn't.

Where I would differ from the bigots is that I don't believe one is superior to any other; they're just different. The mistake of our ancestors was to believe that any person was beneath dignity, which was and still is wrong.

The Indigenous Peoples have an amazing culture and history, and we should recognise it for what it was. No, they didn't build pyramids because they didn't have to; but neither did they have slavery on a massive scale.
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Reply #159 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:01pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


Grin Not by Grahame Abrahams & Bruce Pascoe.

That's all it is a fairytale thought bubble.

Wondered how long it would be before you made an entrance ......

I forgot you used to teach in that Aboriginal University in a Western Australian City 5,000 years ago.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #160 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:01pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 5:57pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


They may be more sophisticated, Brian, but they don't have the characteristics that are required to be a 'complex' civilisation according to the anthropological view: i.e. writing; large urban settlements; division of labour; domination over the nature environment, etc.

That doesn't mean that complex means superior; it just means it was different. The indigenous civilisation was unique; that they were able to survive continously for tens of thousands of years is remarkable. No Western civilisation has ever lasted a fraction of that time.

I just don't think that we should try to denigrate the achievements of other civlisations at the expense of trying to hype up another civilisation.


According to anthropological views, the Ancient Europeans, the Ancient Chinese and the Aztecs and Inca were not equipped to become advanced civilisations.  As Anthropology was created to foster European imperialism and it's views on "race", I doubt it has much value in judging the value of cultures, Augie.   Indigenous Australians developed their culture and their technology to suit their circumstances.  Some of the Colonists described their culture and technology accurate, most ignored those writings in preference for the myths they chose to construct about them.    Roll Eyes

The ancient Europeans learnt to smelter metal Brian. Bronze and then iron. That's what propelled them into the modern age. It never occurred to the aborigines and that is the reason they got left behind. Without metal land could not be cleared for widespread farming. Widespread ploughing could not be performed. That's why I know aborigines never did widespread farming. They didn't have metal. That's why I know they didn't do a lot of things. It was impossible without metal.


And yet the Aztecs and Incas only learnt to smelt Gold and Silver, Hammer.

All nationalities lacked writing until about 5000 years ago.

The point is, under the influence of external forces they developed.  Europeans learnt about smelting metals from the Middle-Eastern civilisations.  The Middle-East from the Indians and Chinese.  Them from the South-East Asians.   Indigenous Australians were cut off by oceans, so they like the Aztecs and the Inca never learnt about Bronze, Iron and Steel.
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Reply #161 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:02pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


Grin Not by Grahame Abrahams & Bruce Pascoe.

That's all it is a fairytale thought bubble.

Wondered how long it would be before you made an entrance ......

I forgot you used to teach in that Aboriginal University in a Western Australian City 5,000 years ago.  Roll Eyes


I wasn't alive 5,000 years ago.  Tsk, tsk, such a silly statement but hey, we have come to expect them from you.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #162 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:03pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 5:57pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


They may be more sophisticated, Brian, but they don't have the characteristics that are required to be a 'complex' civilisation according to the anthropological view: i.e. writing; large urban settlements; division of labour; domination over the nature environment, etc.

That doesn't mean that complex means superior; it just means it was different. The indigenous civilisation was unique; that they were able to survive continously for tens of thousands of years is remarkable. No Western civilisation has ever lasted a fraction of that time.

I just don't think that we should try to denigrate the achievements of other civlisations at the expense of trying to hype up another civilisation.


According to anthropological views, the Ancient Europeans, the Ancient Chinese and the Aztecs and Inca were not equipped to become advanced civilisations.  As Anthropology was created to foster European imperialism and it's views on "race", I doubt it has much value in judging the value of cultures, Augie.   Indigenous Australians developed their culture and their technology to suit their circumstances.  Some of the Colonists described their culture and technology accurate, most ignored those writings in preference for the myths they chose to construct about them.    Roll Eyes

The ancient Europeans learnt to smelter metal Brian. Bronze and then iron. That's what propelled them into the modern age. It never occurred to the aborigines and that is the reason they got left behind. Without metal land could not be cleared for widespread farming. Widespread ploughing could not be performed. That's why I know aborigines never did widespread farming. They didn't have metal. That's why I know they didn't do a lot of things. It was impossible without metal.


And yet the Aztecs and Incas only learnt to smelt Gold and Silver, Hammer.

All nationalities lacked writing until about 5000 years ago.

The point is, under the influence of external forces they developed.  Europeans learnt about smelting metals from the Middle-Eastern civilisations.  The Middle-East from the Indians and Chinese.  Them from the South-East Asians.   Indigenous Australians were cut off by oceans, so they like the Aztecs and the Inca never learnt about Bronze, Iron and Steel.


The Mesoamerican civilisations had a degree of complexity to them, and so did the Andean civilisations.
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Reply #163 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:06pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 5:57pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


They may be more sophisticated, Brian, but they don't have the characteristics that are required to be a 'complex' civilisation according to the anthropological view: i.e. writing; large urban settlements; division of labour; domination over the nature environment, etc.

That doesn't mean that complex means superior; it just means it was different. The indigenous civilisation was unique; that they were able to survive continously for tens of thousands of years is remarkable. No Western civilisation has ever lasted a fraction of that time.

I just don't think that we should try to denigrate the achievements of other civlisations at the expense of trying to hype up another civilisation.


According to anthropological views, the Ancient Europeans, the Ancient Chinese and the Aztecs and Inca were not equipped to become advanced civilisations.  As Anthropology was created to foster European imperialism and it's views on "race", I doubt it has much value in judging the value of cultures, Augie.   Indigenous Australians developed their culture and their technology to suit their circumstances.  Some of the Colonists described their culture and technology accurate, most ignored those writings in preference for the myths they chose to construct about them.    Roll Eyes

The ancient Europeans learnt to smelter metal Brian. Bronze and then iron. That's what propelled them into the modern age. It never occurred to the aborigines and that is the reason they got left behind. Without metal land could not be cleared for widespread farming. Widespread ploughing could not be performed. That's why I know aborigines never did widespread farming. They didn't have metal. That's why I know they didn't do a lot of things. It was impossible without metal.


And yet the Aztecs and Incas only learnt to smelt Gold and Silver, Hammer.

All nationalities lacked writing until about 5000 years ago.

The point is, under the influence of external forces they developed.  Europeans learnt about smelting metals from the Middle-Eastern civilisations.  The Middle-East from the Indians and Chinese.  Them from the South-East Asians.   Indigenous Australians were cut off by oceans, so they like the Aztecs and the Inca never learnt about Bronze, Iron and Steel.

wiki-The earliest current evidence of copper smelting, dating from between 5500 BC and 5000 BC, has been found in Pločnik and Belovode, Serbia.


Without copper you don't get bronze. Are you sure they got it from the arabs Brian?
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Reply #164 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:07pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:03pm:
It's pretty funny how the lefties always try to anthropomorphise Abos.


Oh? I've never visited one of you people's Belview Hill homes without a dot painting hanging on a feature wall.

Homo knows what I mean. He hasn't been to a leafy white enclave since he was speared by a front-lawn Aborigine.


Was his name Neville & did he live with Ted?  Roll Eyes
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Reply #165 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:09pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #166 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:12pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:57pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


Still the least developed human societies.


Also the longest lasting culture the world has known, one which invented sophisticated means of living using a stick, Gordon.   Plonk a white person down in the middle of Woop-Woop and they'd survive how long?   Plonk an Indigenous person down there and they'd still be alive happily when you came to collect them again.    White colonists were lucky the Indigenous Australians took pity on them, otherwise they'd have died of thirst or starved to death when they first arrived.   Roll Eyes


You really are deluded Brian .... the majority of Aboriginals today would perish just like Whitey ... why because they haven't been raised in Woop- Woop or taught how to survive of the land with bush tucker.

Only those in remote communities can do that .... & mostly they do that with whiteys tools today.

They are a small number of the whole population who identify as Aboriginals.
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Reply #167 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:18pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:02pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


Grin Not by Grahame Abrahams & Bruce Pascoe.

That's all it is a fairytale thought bubble.

Wondered how long it would be before you made an entrance ......

I forgot you used to teach in that Aboriginal University in a Western Australian City 5,000 years ago.  Roll Eyes


I wasn't alive 5,000 years ago.  Tsk, tsk, such a silly statement but hey, we have come to expect them from you.   Roll Eyes


It was sarcasm Brian ... you may not have taught there but you believe it existed.

There in lies your problem.
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Reply #168 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:19pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes

White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush


And yet here we are. They evolved as time went on Brian. Aborigines weren't the reason white Australians prospered Brian. That's rubbish. They prospered because they used modern technology.
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Reply #169 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:20pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes


Please explain that one?
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Reply #170 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 10:38pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:57pm:
Also the longest lasting culture the world has known, one which invented sophisticated means of living using a stick, Gordon.   Plonk a white person down in the middle of Woop-Woop and they'd survive how long?   Plonk an Indigenous person down there and they'd still be alive happily when you came to collect them again.    White colonists were lucky the Indigenous Australians took pity on them, otherwise they'd have died of thirst or starved to death when they first arrived.   Roll Eyes


Highlighted, I would considered that contentious. The conditions of the first fleeters coming off the boats at Sydney Cove was quite poor. Three years into their settlement, the settlers were in such a poor state that they would have starved to death, had it not been for resupplies after a request was made to get a ship to go get more food. The aborigines could have wiped out 1000 Europeans with not too much effort, and we would probably see nothing more than some evidence of the first fleeters landing, when the second fleet arrived.

It was not a matter of aborigines taking pity on the new arrivals. I would surmise that it could be a matter of the aborigines not finding it worthwhile to fight with the newcomers, and risk losing a few tribepeople in some conflict. Perhaps the aborigines were more curious with how the newcomers were going to proceed before making any real fight.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:39pm:
I've listened to a few dream time stories. I don't recall mention of wells, farms, dams etc. History isn't something that's determined by what 'feels good'.


White words for white things, Hammer.  Indigenous Australians used black words for the same things.   Such a colonist mindset you have.  Completely unable to accept the reality that Colonists described.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


If someone was listening to stories in English or some aboriginal dialect, and understood one version and/or the other, it would be quite reasonable to assume that they know what an aboriginal word for "wells, farms, dams, etc" would be translated into English. You can't say that there is not an English translation for the same thing described in an aboriginal dialect.
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.. and so the Second Little Piggy built his house of sticks, but the big bad wolf arrived in a British ship and blewwwwwww the whole thing down and ate up the little piggy inside.....

So the Third Little Piggy built HIS house of stoned talk and bullshit bricks.. and the big bad wolf came along with his Captain Cook laws and he huffed and he puffed... but he could not get Ayers Rock back from that Third Little Piggy....

Wait a minute................... is that a Whartey Proof Fence yo' got dere, bro... 'round OUR Uluru.. what dem Wharte fellas call Ayers Rock??  Yo' godda smok?

"Indigenous Australians used black words for the same things.   Such a colonist mindset you have."

So Black Fullahs using Black Words is not colonist.... in the same vein.. but somehow a finer approach?  All they need is an interpreter, bro....

"Say, Jackie-Jackie... waddya call that big rock?"

"We call dat fullah Uluru, baasss!"

"Ayers Rock rolls off the tongue better..."
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Reply #173 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:32pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:08pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 5:11pm:
According to Brian's article, the aborigines "farmed" the land by burning the grass and hunting the roos that later came to eat the fresh growth. If we set the bar that low, then I am farming fish every time I burley up.

Any idea what Pascoe means when he talks about sheds and houses?

Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:53pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:41pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:15pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


That's usually how things work out. Not even the aborigines are volunteering to live like their ancestors.


So, is the White Man superior to the Indigenous Man, genetically?


I understand we have a higher tolerance for alcohol.


Is this your attempt to evade answers to questions, so that I can't quote you as being a racist?


No.


So, answer the question: yes or no?


In what way was my previous answer unclear?


You didn't answer yes or no. You made up some whimsical example about how we 'can tolerate wine better'. That's an insufficient answer.


If you had a choice between genetic tolerance or intolerance of alcohol, which would you choose? Or would you ask me which is better?

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


Brian can you tell us what Pascoe means when he talks about sheds and houses?

Can you explain why burning grass to help hunt roos is a form of farming?
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[quote author=freediver link=1531131702/173#173 date=1531708369

Brian can you tell us what Pascoe means when he talks about sheds and houses?

Can you explain why burning grass to help hunt roos is a form of farming? [/quote]

One drawing by a settler showed some small dwellings made of assembled bits of stick and log and root timber... the second little piggy.... looked just big enough to get in and sleep in.... hardly a shed or house.....

I also read a line that said that somewhere in WA some 'settler' came upon a section of yams growing - acres of them - didn't say they were planted and cultivated .. just that there were plenty there.... and not a native in sight from that record....

Big leap to saying there was house building and cultivation on a large scale...
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Reply #175 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:42pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:57pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


Still the least developed human societies.


Also the longest lasting culture the world has known, one which invented sophisticated means of living using a stick, Gordon.   Plonk a white person down in the middle of Woop-Woop and they'd survive how long?   Plonk an Indigenous person down there and they'd still be alive happily when you came to collect them again.    White colonists were lucky the Indigenous Australians took pity on them, otherwise they'd have died of thirst or starved to death when they first arrived.   Roll Eyes


You really are deluded Brian .... the majority of Aboriginals today would perish just like Whitey ... why because they haven't been raised in Woop- Woop or taught how to survive of the land with bush tucker.

Only those in remote communities can do that .... & mostly they do that with whiteys tools today.

They are a small number of the whole population who identify as Aboriginals.


Did I claim otherwise?  Most inidgenous kids get exposed to bush tucker and how to survive in the bush.  Most white kids spend all their time in front of a computer screen.    Roll Eyes
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Maybe the big one was the house and the little one was the carport.
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Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:18pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:02pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


Grin Not by Grahame Abrahams & Bruce Pascoe.

That's all it is a fairytale thought bubble.

Wondered how long it would be before you made an entrance ......

I forgot you used to teach in that Aboriginal University in a Western Australian City 5,000 years ago.  Roll Eyes


I wasn't alive 5,000 years ago.  Tsk, tsk, such a silly statement but hey, we have come to expect them from you.   Roll Eyes


It was sarcasm Brian ... you may not have taught there but you believe it existed.

There in lies your problem.


Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.  Describes where you come from, rather well.  Roll Eyes
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:19pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes

White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush


And yet here we are. They evolved as time went on Brian. Aborigines weren't the reason white Australians prospered Brian. That's rubbish. They prospered because they used modern technology.


The technology they had, had evolved for live in European conditions.  It was ill suited to Australia.  Without Indigenous Australians' help, the white settlers would have often starved to death or died of thirst, Hammer.   Credit where credit is due.  Indigenous Australians saved white Colonists.    Roll Eyes
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:40pm:
[quote author=freediver link=1531131702/173#173 date=1531708369

Brian can you tell us what Pascoe means when he talks about sheds and houses?

Can you explain why burning grass to help hunt roos is a form of farming?


One drawing by a settler showed some small dwellings made of assembled bits of stick and log and root timber... the second little piggy.... looked just big enough to get in and sleep in.... hardly a shed or house.....

I also read a line that said that somewhere in WA some 'settler' came upon a section of yams growing - acres of them - didn't say they were planted and cultivated .. just that there were plenty there.... and not a native in sight from that record....

Big leap to saying there was house building and cultivation on a large scale...
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Subtropical vine grown yams are not native to Australia.

So what ever was growing in WA it was some other native edible tuber or such.
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Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes


Please explain that one?


Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #181 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:49pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes


Please explain that one?


Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry.   Roll Eyes

Australians run stock all over the country Brian. So every district was assisted by aborigines? Why didn't aborigines learn to make metal from visiting asian peoples?
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Reply #182 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:58pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:47pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:40pm:
[quote author=freediver link=1531131702/173#173 date=1531708369

Brian can you tell us what Pascoe means when he talks about sheds and houses?

Can you explain why burning grass to help hunt roos is a form of farming?


One drawing by a settler showed some small dwellings made of assembled bits of stick and log and root timber... the second little piggy.... looked just big enough to get in and sleep in.... hardly a shed or house.....

I also read a line that said that somewhere in WA some 'settler' came upon a section of yams growing - acres of them - didn't say they were planted and cultivated .. just that there were plenty there.... and not a native in sight from that record....

Big leap to saying there was house building and cultivation on a large scale...


Subtropical vine grown yams are not native to Australia.

So what ever was growing in WA it was some other native edible tuber or such. [/quote]

Sweet Potatoes are native to Australia.  They are commonly called a "yam".
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Reply #183 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:01pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:49pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes


Please explain that one?


Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry.   Roll Eyes

Australians run stock all over the country Brian. So every district was assisted by aborigines? Why didn't aborigines learn to make metal from visiting asian peoples?


Oh, dear, you really are being very tiresome, Hammer.  You take a simple statement and try and blow it into some general insult.  Australia is a large continent.  In the Top End and the NW, Indigenous Australians were instrumental in the creation of the stock industry.   In northern South Australia they were also important.   Roll Eyes
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People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes


Please explain that one?


Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry.   Roll Eyes

Australians run stock all over the country Brian. So every district was assisted by aborigines? Why didn't aborigines learn to make metal from visiting asian peoples?


Oh, dear, you really are being very tiresome, Hammer.  You take a simple statement and try and blow it into some general.  Australia is a large continent.  In the Top End and the NW, Indigenous Australians were instrumental in the creation of the stock industry.   In northern South Australia they were also important.   Roll Eyes



They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......
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Reply #185 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 2:36pm
 
Fuzzball wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:10pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:49pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes


Please explain that one?


Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry.   Roll Eyes

Australians run stock all over the country Brian. So every district was assisted by aborigines? Why didn't aborigines learn to make metal from visiting asian peoples?


Oh, dear, you really are being very tiresome, Hammer.  You take a simple statement and try and blow it into some general.  Australia is a large continent.  In the Top End and the NW, Indigenous Australians were instrumental in the creation of the stock industry.   In northern South Australia they were also important.   Roll Eyes



They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......


And that would explain why the 1946 Stockmens' Strike hurt the stock industry so severely?

And that would explain why the Wave Hill Dispute was seen as instrumental in the Land Rights movement, now would it?

Indigenous Australian stockmen are acknowledged by the stock industry as instrumental in it's creation.
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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......


'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.
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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......


'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.


Yeah - apart from the roads, and health standards, and public order, and the wine - don't forget the wine - clean streets, mean streets, any streets at all, education, free money, reliable food source....what else - I ask you... WHAT ELSE HAS THE WHITE MAN DONE FOR US, EH??

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.....oh, only merely destroyed 'us' is all.  A mere trifling irritation, I know.
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I may have missed something but weren't Aborigines taught to be STOCKMEN by bwian's reviled "white men".
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I may have missed something but weren't Aborigines taught to be STOCKMEN by bwian's reviled "white men".


Uhuh... I caught that thought also when Brian mentioned "with no black stockmen, there would be no white stockmen".
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.....oh, only merely destroyed 'us' is all.  A mere trifling irritation, I know.


I'll ask the next Kangaroo Kaffir Konspirator (KKK) I meet.. and whether or not that means him and his mates should burn the nation down instead of enjoying the free money etc.....

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Reply #192 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 3:45pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 3:42pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 3:37pm:
I may have missed something but weren't Aborigines taught to be STOCKMEN by bwian's reviled "white men".


Uhuh... I caught that thought also when Brian mentioned "with no black stockmen, there would be no white stockmen".


Yeah - that makes as much sense as saying that employing women automatically creates 60% greater productivity.. they forgot to say that was only when the men were fully employed and there were vacancies....

Makes as much sense to say bringing in any worker from a low economic group will improve productivity as long as you have vacancies....

Let's play Spin The Words, eh?
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Reply #193 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 5:21pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:49pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes


Please explain that one?


Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry.   Roll Eyes

Australians run stock all over the country Brian. So every district was assisted by aborigines? Why didn't aborigines learn to make metal from visiting asian peoples?


Oh, dear, you really are being very tiresome, Hammer.  You take a simple statement and try and blow it into some general insult.  Australia is a large continent.  In the Top End and the NW, Indigenous Australians were instrumental in the creation of the stock industry.   In northern South Australia they were also important.   Roll Eyes

Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry

Don't make general statements then.
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Reply #194 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 5:29pm
 
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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......


'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.


Yeah - apart from the roads, and health standards, and public order, and the wine - don't forget the wine - clean streets, mean streets, any streets at all, education, free money, reliable food source....what else - I ask you... WHAT ELSE HAS THE WHITE MAN DONE FOR US, EH??

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Of course, we can ignore the white land owners' habits of paying the Black fellas in some minor goods - some beef, some flour and some sugar.  Nor should we ignore the substandard "housing" they provided for the Stockmen and their families - a few sheets of corrugated iron for a humpy.  Oh, and then there was the non-existent health care they provided.  Indeed, when the Army arrived in the Northern Territory durng WWII and employed Indigenous people at decent wages, with decent accommodation and and health care, the landowners protested, realising that the Indigenous people would get, "ideas". 

The Army personnel were shocked at the conditions they found, with good reason.   Effectively the Indigenous people were treated like slaves.  They worked, were paid a pittance and suffered as a consequence from white greed and greed was what drove it.  As much as you attempt to make fun of concern about the working conditions of Indigenous workers in the 1930s-40s-50s-60s-70s they were abhominable.
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Reply #195 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 5:30pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 5:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:49pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes


Please explain that one?


Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry.   Roll Eyes

Australians run stock all over the country Brian. So every district was assisted by aborigines? Why didn't aborigines learn to make metal from visiting asian peoples?


Oh, dear, you really are being very tiresome, Hammer.  You take a simple statement and try and blow it into some general insult.  Australia is a large continent.  In the Top End and the NW, Indigenous Australians were instrumental in the creation of the stock industry.   In northern South Australia they were also important.   Roll Eyes

Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry

Don't make general statements then.


You should think about that, Hammer.   Roll Eyes
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14 pages in, and none of his supporters have any idea what he means by houses and sheds, and not one of them are willing to defend his use of the term farming.

Lying about history doesn't fix anything.
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It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.
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Reply #198 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:17pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 5:30pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 5:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:49pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes


Please explain that one?


Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry.   Roll Eyes

Australians run stock all over the country Brian. So every district was assisted by aborigines? Why didn't aborigines learn to make metal from visiting asian peoples?


Oh, dear, you really are being very tiresome, Hammer.  You take a simple statement and try and blow it into some general insult.  Australia is a large continent.  In the Top End and the NW, Indigenous Australians were instrumental in the creation of the stock industry.   In northern South Australia they were also important.   Roll Eyes

Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry

Don't make general statements then.


You should think about that, Hammer.   Roll Eyes

Well next time say-  aborigines helped peg out properties and aided in finding water for the whiteman IN SOME CASES Brian. The whiteman  was running cattle a few years after the first fleet. One of the big things that established the grazing industry in OZ was bringing out types of grazing animals that could handle our conditions like the Merino. And that had nothing to do with the aborigines.
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It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.
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Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.

We are smarter than them. That's the reason.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 3:34pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 2:48pm:
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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......


'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.


Yeah - apart from the roads, and health standards, and public order, and the wine - don't forget the wine - clean streets, mean streets, any streets at all, education, free money, reliable food source....what else - I ask you... WHAT ELSE HAS THE WHITE MAN DONE FOR US, EH??

http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Sylvester-Stallone-Facepalm.gif


Of course, we can ignore the white land owners' habits of paying the Black fellas in some minor goods - some beef, some flour and some sugar.  Nor should we ignore the substandard "housing" they provided for the Stockmen and their families - a few sheets of corrugated iron for a humpy.  Oh, and then there was the non-existent health care they provided.  Indeed, when the Army arrived in the Northern Territory durng WWII and employed Indigenous people at decent wages, with decent accommodation and and health care, the landowners protested, realising that the Indigenous people would get, "ideas". 

The Army personnel were shocked at the conditions they found, with good reason.   Effectively the Indigenous people were treated like slaves.  They worked, were paid a pittance and suffered as a consequence from white greed and greed was what drove it.  As much as you attempt to make fun of concern about the working conditions of Indigenous workers in the 1930s-40s-50s-60s-70s they were abhominable.


Historically, Brian - that happened with all kinds of people who lived on the 'boss' property and worked for the boss, and who received a few paltry goods and a place to live in exchange for their work and servitude. 

This was particularly prevalent in WA, that notorious non-convict colony which spawns paedos and serial killers and such with gay abandon - due to its rather haughty 'English' approach to the "master/servant relationship".

It wasn't only the position of Black Fellahs... and while I sympathise with your stance, it does no good to live in the past, but it does do good to work for a better future for all.

Let the dead bury the dead - my concern is the living..... surely you've heard that somewhere.....


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Reply #203 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:28pm
 
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Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.


Yeah, but you don't hear them lying about building cities, architectural marvels and modern farming techniques do you?
But we are supposed to believe this garbage.

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I may have missed something but weren't Aborigines taught to be STOCKMEN by bwian's reviled "white men".


Nah... NAH - they were terrific horsemen long before...... (lets that hang in the air)....
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Yeah I was wonderin' about that.

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Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.

We are smarter than them. That's the reason.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.

We are smarter than them. That's the reason.


What's this, "we", white man?   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, Hammer.   Roll Eyes
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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #208 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:33pm
 
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:50am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.

We are smarter than them. That's the reason.
New research is vindicating the theory of different human races and subspecies.


Really?  Genetics doesn't validate that viewpoint at all.   There is effectively only one "race", the human one.   "Race" as commonly used as a concept is a social construct based purely on external evolutionary characteristics.   Humans are all (virtually) Genetically identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, no matter what the colour of our skin/shape of our eyes/thickness of our lips/etc.   There are no "different human races and subspecies".     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #209 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:34pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:50am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.

We are smarter than them. That's the reason.
New research is vindicating the theory of different human races and subspecies.


Really?  Genetics doesn't validate that viewpoint at all.   There is effectively only one "race", the human one.   "Race" as commonly used as a concept is a social construct based purely on external evolutionary characteristics.   Humans are all (virtually) Genetically identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, no matter what the colour of our skin/shape of our eyes/thickness of our lips/etc.   There are no "different human races and subspecies".     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
completley wrong. DNA research proves it.
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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #210 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:36pm
 
Brian do you have any idea what he means by houses and sheds?

Are you willing to defend his use of the term farming? Or is making sense not really necessary when you are rewriting history?

Did you put any thought at all into this rubbish before jumping on the bandwagon?
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Reply #211 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:50am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.

We are smarter than them. That's the reason.
New research is vindicating the theory of different human races and subspecies.


Really?  Genetics doesn't validate that viewpoint at all.   There is effectively only one "race", the human one.   "Race" as commonly used as a concept is a social construct based purely on external evolutionary characteristics.   Humans are all (virtually) Genetically identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, no matter what the colour of our skin/shape of our eyes/thickness of our lips/etc.   There are no "different human races and subspecies".     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Like I said a million times , there are slight variations between peoples due to geographic evolution. Black people and white people have different skull shapes and different overall IQ.
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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #212 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:46pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:26pm:
Historically, Brian - that happened with all kinds of people who lived on the 'boss' property and worked for the boss, and who received a few paltry goods and a place to live in exchange for their work and servitude. 

This was particularly prevalent in WA, that notorious non-convict colony which spawns paedos and serial killers and such with gay abandon - due to its rather haughty 'English' approach to the "master/servant relationship".

It wasn't only the position of Black Fellahs... and while I sympathise with your stance, it does no good to live in the past, but it does do good to work for a better future for all.

Let the dead bury the dead - my concern is the living.....


WA was a convict colony, just as were the NT (originally), Queensland, NSW, Victoria and Tasmania.  Only South Australia was a free colony, settled entirely by free settlers, Graps.

Your concern for the living is admirable.  Surely, however you must question how they reached the condition they presently are in?  If the original Colonists had not ignore their instructions from London to treat them kindly and to settle a Treaty with the Indigenous Australians, I somehow think things would have turned out somewhat differently.   Instead, they massacred them, stole their land, their children, destroyed their culture and society and in the case of the Stock Industry, effectively turned them into slaves.  As  long as white society denies it's own history, treating the symptoms won't cure the problem, Graps.    Roll Eyes
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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #213 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:50pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:50am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.

We are smarter than them. That's the reason.
New research is vindicating the theory of different human races and subspecies.


Really?  Genetics doesn't validate that viewpoint at all.   There is effectively only one "race", the human one.   "Race" as commonly used as a concept is a social construct based purely on external evolutionary characteristics.   Humans are all (virtually) Genetically identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, no matter what the colour of our skin/shape of our eyes/thickness of our lips/etc.   There are no "different human races and subspecies".     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Like I said a million times , there are slight variations between peoples due to geographic evolution. Black people and white people have different skull shapes and different overall IQ.


No, they don't, Hammer.  Get rid of your copy of The Bell Curve, it is racist white supremacist bullshit.   Evolution has created different skin colours, eye folds, etc. but underneath, we are all identical physically.  Our brains are all structured the same, we all have same organs, skeleton, etc.  The harping of racists on the external differences simply shows they have no desire to see the similarities.   Roll Eyes
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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #214 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:52pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:36pm:
Brian do you have any idea what he means by houses and sheds?

Are you willing to defend his use of the term farming? Or is making sense not really necessary when you are rewriting history?

Did you put any thought at all into this rubbish before jumping on the bandwagon?


As far as I am aware, FD, no history has been rewritten.  I am confining my comments to the article I linked to, which spoke about what the original Colonists discovered.   What are you referring to?   Roll Eyes
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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #215 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:53pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:50pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:50am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.

We are smarter than them. That's the reason.
New research is vindicating the theory of different human races and subspecies.


Really?  Genetics doesn't validate that viewpoint at all.   There is effectively only one "race", the human one.   "Race" as commonly used as a concept is a social construct based purely on external evolutionary characteristics.   Humans are all (virtually) Genetically identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, no matter what the colour of our skin/shape of our eyes/thickness of our lips/etc.   There are no "different human races and subspecies".     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Like I said a million times , there are slight variations between peoples due to geographic evolution. Black people and white people have different skull shapes and different overall IQ.


No, they don't, Hammer.  Get rid of your copy of The Bell Curve, it is racist white supremacist bullshit.   Evolution has created different skin colours, eye folds, etc. but underneath, we are all identical physically.  Our brains are all structured the same, we all have same organs, skeleton, etc.  The harping of racists on the external differences simply shows they have no desire to see the similarities.   Roll Eyes
Look it up Brian. Black people and white people have different skull shapes. It's just a fact. Tell me why black people are struggling all around the world? And don't say the whiteman please. That's absolute rubbish.
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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #216 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:40pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:50pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:50am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.

We are smarter than them. That's the reason.
New research is vindicating the theory of different human races and subspecies.


Really?  Genetics doesn't validate that viewpoint at all.   There is effectively only one "race", the human one.   "Race" as commonly used as a concept is a social construct based purely on external evolutionary characteristics.   Humans are all (virtually) Genetically identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, no matter what the colour of our skin/shape of our eyes/thickness of our lips/etc.   There are no "different human races and subspecies".     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Like I said a million times , there are slight variations between peoples due to geographic evolution. Black people and white people have different skull shapes and different overall IQ.


No, they don't, Hammer.  Get rid of your copy of The Bell Curve, it is racist white supremacist bullshit.   Evolution has created different skin colours, eye folds, etc. but underneath, we are all identical physically.  Our brains are all structured the same, we all have same organs, skeleton, etc.  The harping of racists on the external differences simply shows they have no desire to see the similarities.   Roll Eyes
The whole scientific field of forensic pathology wouldnt exist if there were no racial differences you nong.
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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #217 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 3:21pm
 
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:40pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:50pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:50am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.

We are smarter than them. That's the reason.
New research is vindicating the theory of different human races and subspecies.


Really?  Genetics doesn't validate that viewpoint at all.   There is effectively only one "race", the human one.   "Race" as commonly used as a concept is a social construct based purely on external evolutionary characteristics.   Humans are all (virtually) Genetically identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, no matter what the colour of our skin/shape of our eyes/thickness of our lips/etc.   There are no "different human races and subspecies".     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Like I said a million times , there are slight variations between peoples due to geographic evolution. Black people and white people have different skull shapes and different overall IQ.


No, they don't, Hammer.  Get rid of your copy of The Bell Curve, it is racist white supremacist bullshit.   Evolution has created different skin colours, eye folds, etc. but underneath, we are all identical physically.  Our brains are all structured the same, we all have same organs, skeleton, etc.  The harping of racists on the external differences simply shows they have no desire to see the similarities.   Roll Eyes
The whole scientific field of forensic pathology wouldnt exist if there were no racial differences you nong.


There are though, no genetic differences.  Forensic Pathology studies the physical differences which evolution has created.  Genetics studies the DNA and RNA which is what makes us a species.   Effectively there are no Genetic differences between the so-called "races".   Indeed, there are more differences within each supposed "racial" group than there are between them.   It is why Humanity can interbreed, despite being born thousands of kilometres apart on separate continents.  We are all descended from Africans, we all started our evolutionary journey in the Rift Valley of Africa.  We all once had black skin, thick lips, differently shaped skulls, etc.  We all ran from the Lion, the Leopard, the Cheetah and hunted the Vildebeest and Zebra.   Time you faced the scientific reality that Genetics has created for us.
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Reply #218 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 3:23pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:50pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:50am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.

We are smarter than them. That's the reason.
New research is vindicating the theory of different human races and subspecies.


Really?  Genetics doesn't validate that viewpoint at all.   There is effectively only one "race", the human one.   "Race" as commonly used as a concept is a social construct based purely on external evolutionary characteristics.   Humans are all (virtually) Genetically identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, no matter what the colour of our skin/shape of our eyes/thickness of our lips/etc.   There are no "different human races and subspecies".     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Like I said a million times , there are slight variations between peoples due to geographic evolution. Black people and white people have different skull shapes and different overall IQ.


No, they don't, Hammer.  Get rid of your copy of The Bell Curve, it is racist white supremacist bullshit.   Evolution has created different skin colours, eye folds, etc. but underneath, we are all identical physically.  Our brains are all structured the same, we all have same organs, skeleton, etc.  The harping of racists on the external differences simply shows they have no desire to see the similarities.   Roll Eyes
Look it up Brian. Black people and white people have different skull shapes. It's just a fact. Tell me why black people are struggling all around the world? And don't say the whiteman please. That's absolute rubbish.


Circumstances, Hammer.   Genetically there is no difference between white and black people.  Put a white person in the same circumstances many black people are in, you will get similar results.   Roll Eyes
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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #219 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 5:16pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 3:23pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:50pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:50am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.

We are smarter than them. That's the reason.
New research is vindicating the theory of different human races and subspecies.


Really?  Genetics doesn't validate that viewpoint at all.   There is effectively only one "race", the human one.   "Race" as commonly used as a concept is a social construct based purely on external evolutionary characteristics.   Humans are all (virtually) Genetically identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, no matter what the colour of our skin/shape of our eyes/thickness of our lips/etc.   There are no "different human races and subspecies".     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Like I said a million times , there are slight variations between peoples due to geographic evolution. Black people and white people have different skull shapes and different overall IQ.


No, they don't, Hammer.  Get rid of your copy of The Bell Curve, it is racist white supremacist bullshit.   Evolution has created different skin colours, eye folds, etc. but underneath, we are all identical physically.  Our brains are all structured the same, we all have same organs, skeleton, etc.  The harping of racists on the external differences simply shows they have no desire to see the similarities.   Roll Eyes
Look it up Brian. Black people and white people have different skull shapes. It's just a fact. Tell me why black people are struggling all around the world? And don't say the whiteman please. That's absolute rubbish.


Circumstances, Hammer.   Genetically there is no difference between white and black people.  Put a white person in the same circumstances many black people are in, you will get similar results.   Roll Eyes
Rubbish. White people build things. Black people tear things down.
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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #220 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 5:57pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 5:16pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 3:23pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:50pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:50am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.

We are smarter than them. That's the reason.
New research is vindicating the theory of different human races and subspecies.


Really?  Genetics doesn't validate that viewpoint at all.   There is effectively only one "race", the human one.   "Race" as commonly used as a concept is a social construct based purely on external evolutionary characteristics.   Humans are all (virtually) Genetically identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, no matter what the colour of our skin/shape of our eyes/thickness of our lips/etc.   There are no "different human races and subspecies".     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Like I said a million times , there are slight variations between peoples due to geographic evolution. Black people and white people have different skull shapes and different overall IQ.


No, they don't, Hammer.  Get rid of your copy of The Bell Curve, it is racist white supremacist bullshit.   Evolution has created different skin colours, eye folds, etc. but underneath, we are all identical physically.  Our brains are all structured the same, we all have same organs, skeleton, etc.  The harping of racists on the external differences simply shows they have no desire to see the similarities.   Roll Eyes
Look it up Brian. Black people and white people have different skull shapes. It's just a fact. Tell me why black people are struggling all around the world? And don't say the whiteman please. That's absolute rubbish.


Circumstances, Hammer.   Genetically there is no difference between white and black people.  Put a white person in the same circumstances many black people are in, you will get similar results.   Roll Eyes
Rubbish. White people build things. Black people tear things down.


And burn them.

But it's not logical to say we are genetically the same.
A small difference is quite a difference
For example, monkeys and humans share hugely similar DNA

Perhaps as different as whites and blacks.

Perhaps we have been looking for the missing link in the wrong place
It might just be under our noses in the black race😲😲😲😲😲
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Reply #221 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:04pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 5:57pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 5:16pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 3:23pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:50pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:50am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.

We are smarter than them. That's the reason.
New research is vindicating the theory of different human races and subspecies.


Really?  Genetics doesn't validate that viewpoint at all.   There is effectively only one "race", the human one.   "Race" as commonly used as a concept is a social construct based purely on external evolutionary characteristics.   Humans are all (virtually) Genetically identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, no matter what the colour of our skin/shape of our eyes/thickness of our lips/etc.   There are no "different human races and subspecies".     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Like I said a million times , there are slight variations between peoples due to geographic evolution. Black people and white people have different skull shapes and different overall IQ.


No, they don't, Hammer.  Get rid of your copy of The Bell Curve, it is racist white supremacist bullshit.   Evolution has created different skin colours, eye folds, etc. but underneath, we are all identical physically.  Our brains are all structured the same, we all have same organs, skeleton, etc.  The harping of racists on the external differences simply shows they have no desire to see the similarities.   Roll Eyes
Look it up Brian. Black people and white people have different skull shapes. It's just a fact. Tell me why black people are struggling all around the world? And don't say the whiteman please. That's absolute rubbish.


Circumstances, Hammer.   Genetically there is no difference between white and black people.  Put a white person in the same circumstances many black people are in, you will get similar results.   Roll Eyes
Rubbish. White people build things. Black people tear things down.


And burn them.

But it's not logical to say we are genetically the same.
A small difference is quite a difference
For example, monkeys and humans share hugely similar DNA

Perhaps as different as whites and blacks.

Perhaps we have been looking for the missing link in the wrong place
It might just be under our noses in the black race😲😲😲😲😲

That's what I have always thought.
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Reply #222 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:08pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:50am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.

We are smarter than them. That's the reason.
New research is vindicating the theory of different human races and subspecies.


Really?  Genetics doesn't validate that viewpoint at all.   There is effectively only one "race", the human one.   "Race" as commonly used as a concept is a social construct based purely on external evolutionary characteristics.   Humans are all (virtually) Genetically identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, no matter what the colour of our skin/shape of our eyes/thickness of our lips/etc.   There are no "different human races and subspecies".     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Like I said a million times , there are slight variations between peoples due to geographic evolution. Black people and white people have different skull shapes and different overall IQ.


So, now you believe in phrenology and scientific racism.

Geez, you're moving closer and closer to insanity, Hammer.
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Valkie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 5:57pm:
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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 3:23pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:50pm:
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It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.

We are smarter than them. That's the reason.
New research is vindicating the theory of different human races and subspecies.


Really?  Genetics doesn't validate that viewpoint at all.   There is effectively only one "race", the human one.   "Race" as commonly used as a concept is a social construct based purely on external evolutionary characteristics.   Humans are all (virtually) Genetically identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, no matter what the colour of our skin/shape of our eyes/thickness of our lips/etc.   There are no "different human races and subspecies".     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Like I said a million times , there are slight variations between peoples due to geographic evolution. Black people and white people have different skull shapes and different overall IQ.


No, they don't, Hammer.  Get rid of your copy of The Bell Curve, it is racist white supremacist bullshit.   Evolution has created different skin colours, eye folds, etc. but underneath, we are all identical physically.  Our brains are all structured the same, we all have same organs, skeleton, etc.  The harping of racists on the external differences simply shows they have no desire to see the similarities.   Roll Eyes
Look it up Brian. Black people and white people have different skull shapes. It's just a fact. Tell me why black people are struggling all around the world? And don't say the whiteman please. That's absolute rubbish.


Circumstances, Hammer.   Genetically there is no difference between white and black people.  Put a white person in the same circumstances many black people are in, you will get similar results.   Roll Eyes
Rubbish. White people build things. Black people tear things down.


And burn them.

But it's not logical to say we are genetically the same.
A small difference is quite a difference
For example, monkeys and humans share hugely similar DNA

Perhaps as different as whites and blacks.

Perhaps we have been looking for the missing link in the wrong place
It might just be under our noses in the black race😲😲😲😲😲


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Reply #224 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:09pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:50pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:50am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.

We are smarter than them. That's the reason.
New research is vindicating the theory of different human races and subspecies.


Really?  Genetics doesn't validate that viewpoint at all.   There is effectively only one "race", the human one.   "Race" as commonly used as a concept is a social construct based purely on external evolutionary characteristics.   Humans are all (virtually) Genetically identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, no matter what the colour of our skin/shape of our eyes/thickness of our lips/etc.   There are no "different human races and subspecies".     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Like I said a million times , there are slight variations between peoples due to geographic evolution. Black people and white people have different skull shapes and different overall IQ.


No, they don't, Hammer.  Get rid of your copy of The Bell Curve, it is racist white supremacist bullshit.   Evolution has created different skin colours, eye folds, etc. but underneath, we are all identical physically.  Our brains are all structured the same, we all have same organs, skeleton, etc.  The harping of racists on the external differences simply shows they have no desire to see the similarities.   Roll Eyes
Look it up Brian. Black people and white people have different skull shapes. It's just a fact. Tell me why black people are struggling all around the world? And don't say the whiteman please. That's absolute rubbish.


Read Guns, Germs and Steel and that will provide you with the answers you seek.
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Reply #225 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:13pm
 
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:40pm:
[quote author=freediver link=1531131702/173#173 date=1531708369

Brian can you tell us what Pascoe means when he talks about sheds and houses?

Can you explain why burning grass to help hunt roos is a form of farming?


One drawing by a settler showed some small dwellings made of assembled bits of stick and log and root timber... the second little piggy.... looked just big enough to get in and sleep in.... hardly a shed or house.....

I also read a line that said that somewhere in WA some 'settler' came upon a section of yams growing - acres of them - didn't say they were planted and cultivated .. just that there were plenty there.... and not a native in sight from that record....

Big leap to saying there was house building and cultivation on a large scale...


Subtropical vine grown yams are not native to Australia.

So what ever was growing in WA it was some other native edible tuber or such.


Sweet Potatoes are native to Australia.  They are commonly called a "yam". [/quote]

Wrong again Brian ... Wiki Quote:
The origin and domestication of sweet potato occurred in either Central or South America. In Central America, domesticated sweet potatoes were present at least 5,000 years ago.


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Reply #226 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:13pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:08pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:50am:
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.

We are smarter than them. That's the reason.
New research is vindicating the theory of different human races and subspecies.


Really?  Genetics doesn't validate that viewpoint at all.   There is effectively only one "race", the human one.   "Race" as commonly used as a concept is a social construct based purely on external evolutionary characteristics.   Humans are all (virtually) Genetically identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, no matter what the colour of our skin/shape of our eyes/thickness of our lips/etc.   There are no "different human races and subspecies".     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Like I said a million times , there are slight variations between peoples due to geographic evolution. Black people and white people have different skull shapes and different overall IQ.


So, now you believe in phrenology and scientific racism.

Geez, you're moving closer and closer to insanity, Hammer.

Name me one functioning black country Smith?
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Reply #227 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:14pm
 
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[quote author=The_Grappler link=1531131702/174#174 date=1531708856][quote author=freediver link=1531131702/173#173 date=1531708369

Brian can you tell us what Pascoe means when he talks about sheds and houses?

Can you explain why burning grass to help hunt roos is a form of farming?


One drawing by a settler showed some small dwellings made of assembled bits of stick and log and root timber... the second little piggy.... looked just big enough to get in and sleep in.... hardly a shed or house.....

I also read a line that said that somewhere in WA some 'settler' came upon a section of yams growing - acres of them - didn't say they were planted and cultivated .. just that there were plenty there.... and not a native in sight from that record....

Big leap to saying there was house building and cultivation on a large scale...


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Gnads: Subtropical vine grown yams are not native to Australia.

So what ever was growing in WA it was some other native edible tuber or such.


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Sweet Potatoes are native to Australia.  They are commonly called a "yam".


Fixed & they are not ... previously answered above.

You delusional ol rewriter of the truth into whatever fits your agenda.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #228 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:17pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:13pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:08pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:50am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.

We are smarter than them. That's the reason.
New research is vindicating the theory of different human races and subspecies.


Really?  Genetics doesn't validate that viewpoint at all.   There is effectively only one "race", the human one.   "Race" as commonly used as a concept is a social construct based purely on external evolutionary characteristics.   Humans are all (virtually) Genetically identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, no matter what the colour of our skin/shape of our eyes/thickness of our lips/etc.   There are no "different human races and subspecies".     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Like I said a million times , there are slight variations between peoples due to geographic evolution. Black people and white people have different skull shapes and different overall IQ.


So, now you believe in phrenology and scientific racism.

Geez, you're moving closer and closer to insanity, Hammer.

Name me one functioning black country Smith?


Botswana.
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Reply #229 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:21pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:42pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:57pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
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Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


Still the least developed human societies.


Also the longest lasting culture the world has known, one which invented sophisticated means of living using a stick, Gordon.   Plonk a white person down in the middle of Woop-Woop and they'd survive how long?   Plonk an Indigenous person down there and they'd still be alive happily when you came to collect them again.    White colonists were lucky the Indigenous Australians took pity on them, otherwise they'd have died of thirst or starved to death when they first arrived.   Roll Eyes


You really are deluded Brian .... the majority of Aboriginals today would perish just like Whitey ... why because they haven't been raised in Woop- Woop or taught how to survive of the land with bush tucker.

Only those in remote communities can do that .... & mostly they do that with whiteys tools today.

They are a small number of the whole population who identify as Aboriginals.


Did I claim otherwise?  Most inidgenous kids get exposed to bush tucker and how to survive in the bush.  Most white kids spend all their time in front of a computer screen.    Roll Eyes


No they don't ... because more & more Aboriginal kids live in large urban towns & cities.
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Reply #230 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:25pm
 
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Auggie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:08pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:50am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.

We are smarter than them. That's the reason.
New research is vindicating the theory of different human races and subspecies.


Really?  Genetics doesn't validate that viewpoint at all.   There is effectively only one "race", the human one.   "Race" as commonly used as a concept is a social construct based purely on external evolutionary characteristics.   Humans are all (virtually) Genetically identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, no matter what the colour of our skin/shape of our eyes/thickness of our lips/etc.   There are no "different human races and subspecies".     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Like I said a million times , there are slight variations between peoples due to geographic evolution. Black people and white people have different skull shapes and different overall IQ.


So, now you believe in phrenology and scientific racism.

Geez, you're moving closer and closer to insanity, Hammer.

Name me one functioning black country Smith?


Botswana.

wiki- Homosexual acts are illegal in Botswana, as in many African countries.



It certainly isn't a John Smith friendly country. Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #231 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:28pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 2:36pm:
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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:49pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
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People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes


Please explain that one?


Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry.   Roll Eyes

Australians run stock all over the country Brian. So every district was assisted by aborigines? Why didn't aborigines learn to make metal from visiting asian peoples?


Oh, dear, you really are being very tiresome, Hammer.  You take a simple statement and try and blow it into some general.  Australia is a large continent.  In the Top End and the NW, Indigenous Australians were instrumental in the creation of the stock industry.   In northern South Australia they were also important.   Roll Eyes



They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......


And that would explain why the 1946 Stockmens' Strike hurt the stock industry so severely?

And that would explain why the Wave Hill Dispute was seen as instrumental in the Land Rights movement, now would it?

Indigenous Australian stockmen are acknowledged by the stock industry as instrumental in it's creation.


And you d1ck that was well past/post colonisation & settlement.

That Aboriginals adapted very well to stockwork is a given .... but they were taught everything they applied by whitey .... there were no cattle & horses on the continent prior to whitey.

The reason that they were a mainstay in the industry in remote areas was because they were already there ... a lot of whiteys didn't want to go out there.

Oh & whitey gave em tucker & smokes ... so they worked cheap ......

well before any aboriginal stockmans strike.
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You're a smacking pig, Valkie!      



From you that's a complement.

Pigs are more intelligent than some people.
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Reply #233 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:35pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:42pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:57pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


Still the least developed human societies.


Also the longest lasting culture the world has known, one which invented sophisticated means of living using a stick, Gordon.   Plonk a white person down in the middle of Woop-Woop and they'd survive how long?   Plonk an Indigenous person down there and they'd still be alive happily when you came to collect them again.    White colonists were lucky the Indigenous Australians took pity on them, otherwise they'd have died of thirst or starved to death when they first arrived.   Roll Eyes


You really are deluded Brian .... the majority of Aboriginals today would perish just like Whitey ... why because they haven't been raised in Woop- Woop or taught how to survive of the land with bush tucker.

Only those in remote communities can do that .... & mostly they do that with whiteys tools today.

They are a small number of the whole population who identify as Aboriginals.


Did I claim otherwise?  Most inidgenous kids get exposed to bush tucker and how to survive in the bush.  Most white kids spend all their time in front of a computer screen.    Roll Eyes


No they don't ... because more & more Aboriginal kids live in large urban towns & cities.


The best and most exhaulted survival experts was the Bush Tucker man
He was white

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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
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It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.

We are smarter than them. That's the reason.
New research is vindicating the theory of different human races and subspecies.


Really?  Genetics doesn't validate that viewpoint at all.   There is effectively only one "race", the human one.   "Race" as commonly used as a concept is a social construct based purely on external evolutionary characteristics.   Humans are all (virtually) Genetically identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, no matter what the colour of our skin/shape of our eyes/thickness of our lips/etc.   There are no "different human races and subspecies".     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Like I said a million times , there are slight variations between peoples due to geographic evolution. Black people and white people have different skull shapes and different overall IQ.


So, now you believe in phrenology and scientific racism.

Geez, you're moving closer and closer to insanity, Hammer.

Name me one functioning black country Smith?


Botswana.

wiki- Homosexual acts are illegal in Botswana, as in many African countries.



It certainly isn't a John Smith friendly country. Grin Grin Grin


You said 'functioning'. Now, you're moving the goal posts, Hammer.
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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......


'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.


Complete BS Aussie as usual ... what's being put shyte on is fabricated nonsense being espoused by the likes of Brian who believe that Aboriginals were farmers, graziers, had established agriculture & urban infrastructure & Universities etc etc.

All pre-colonisation ..... then Brian wants to change tacks & claim Aboriginals knew all about cattle, horses & sheep husbandry to advise early settlers .... i.e . advising them "how to marshal their stock".

Not that anyone marshals stock ... they muster & round up ... but they don't marshall.

Best you stick to the law, cab driving & Clivey baby Palmer.  Roll Eyes


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It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.

We are smarter than them. That's the reason.
New research is vindicating the theory of different human races and subspecies.


Really?  Genetics doesn't validate that viewpoint at all.   There is effectively only one "race", the human one.   "Race" as commonly used as a concept is a social construct based purely on external evolutionary characteristics.   Humans are all (virtually) Genetically identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, no matter what the colour of our skin/shape of our eyes/thickness of our lips/etc.   There are no "different human races and subspecies".     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Like I said a million times , there are slight variations between peoples due to geographic evolution. Black people and white people have different skull shapes and different overall IQ.


So, now you believe in phrenology and scientific racism.

Geez, you're moving closer and closer to insanity, Hammer.

Name me one functioning black country Smith?


Botswana.

wiki- Homosexual acts are illegal in Botswana, as in many African countries.



It certainly isn't a John Smith friendly country. Grin Grin Grin


You said 'functioning'. Now, you're moving the goal posts, Hammer.

Functioning involves many aspects Smith. Botswana is a AIDS infested mess in environmental decay. It's like all African countries, an impoverished s hithole.
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Reply #237 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:40pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 3:34pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 2:48pm:
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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......


'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.


Yeah - apart from the roads, and health standards, and public order, and the wine - don't forget the wine - clean streets, mean streets, any streets at all, education, free money, reliable food source....what else - I ask you... WHAT ELSE HAS THE WHITE MAN DONE FOR US, EH??

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Reply #238 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:42pm
 
John Smith loves Botswana. Grin Grin

HIV/AIDS, however, is the largest contributor to poverty in Botswana. According to the CIA World Factbook, the prevalence of HIV/Aids is “second highest in the world and threatens Botswana’s impressive economic gains”. In 2012, 25% of the adult population was infected with the deadly virus. A health problem of this magnitude is detrimental to a nation’s economic well-being because it reduces human capital.
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Reply #239 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:43pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:40pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:37pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:25pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:17pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:13pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:08pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:50am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.

We are smarter than them. That's the reason.
New research is vindicating the theory of different human races and subspecies.


Really?  Genetics doesn't validate that viewpoint at all.   There is effectively only one "race", the human one.   "Race" as commonly used as a concept is a social construct based purely on external evolutionary characteristics.   Humans are all (virtually) Genetically identical.  It is what allows us to interbreed, no matter what the colour of our skin/shape of our eyes/thickness of our lips/etc.   There are no "different human races and subspecies".     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Like I said a million times , there are slight variations between peoples due to geographic evolution. Black people and white people have different skull shapes and different overall IQ.


So, now you believe in phrenology and scientific racism.

Geez, you're moving closer and closer to insanity, Hammer.

Name me one functioning black country Smith?


Botswana.

wiki- Homosexual acts are illegal in Botswana, as in many African countries.



It certainly isn't a John Smith friendly country. Grin Grin Grin


You said 'functioning'. Now, you're moving the goal posts, Hammer.

Functioning involves many aspects Smith. Botswana is a AIDS infested mess in environmental decay. It's like all African countries, an impoverished s hithole.


With a stable democracy, growing economy and low corruption. Botswana has never had a dictatorship or a civil war.

And how do you know it's a poo-hole? Even been there?
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Reply #240 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:45pm
 
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Aussie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 2:48pm:
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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......


'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.


Yeah - apart from the roads, and health standards, and public order, and the wine - don't forget the wine - clean streets, mean streets, any streets at all, education, free money, reliable food source....what else - I ask you... WHAT ELSE HAS THE WHITE MAN DONE FOR US, EH??

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Exactly Grapp  Grin Grin



No, the question is: what have the Romans done for us?

Spot the difference?
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John Smith loves Botswana. Grin Grin

HIV/AIDS, however, is the largest contributor to poverty in Botswana. According to the CIA World Factbook, the prevalence of HIV/Aids is “second highest in the world and threatens Botswana’s impressive economic gains”. In 2012, 25% of the adult population was infected with the deadly virus. A health problem of this magnitude is detrimental to a nation’s economic well-being because it reduces human capital.


So, despite this, the country still functions effectively, doesn't it.
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freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:36pm:
Brian do you have any idea what he means by houses and sheds?

Are you willing to defend his use of the term farming? Or is making sense not really necessary when you are rewriting history?

Did you put any thought at all into this rubbish before jumping on the bandwagon?


As far as I am aware, FD, no history has been rewritten.  I am confining my comments to the article I linked to, which spoke about what the original Colonists discovered.   What are you referring to?   Roll Eyes


Comments in the article about sheds and houses, and that burning grass to attract wild kangaroos is a type of farming.

Are you just defending this because you want it to be true?
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John Smith loves Botswana. Grin Grin

HIV/AIDS, however, is the largest contributor to poverty in Botswana. According to the CIA World Factbook, the prevalence of HIV/Aids is “second highest in the world and threatens Botswana’s impressive economic gains”. In 2012, 25% of the adult population was infected with the deadly virus. A health problem of this magnitude is detrimental to a nation’s economic well-being because it reduces human capital.


So, despite this, the country still functions effectively, doesn't it.

It only has 2 million people and sells it's natural resources to China. That's the only propping it's economy up. Yet it's still full of sick and impoverished people. It's a craphole.
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Reply #244 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:53pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:45pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:42pm:
John Smith loves Botswana. Grin Grin

HIV/AIDS, however, is the largest contributor to poverty in Botswana. According to the CIA World Factbook, the prevalence of HIV/Aids is “second highest in the world and threatens Botswana’s impressive economic gains”. In 2012, 25% of the adult population was infected with the deadly virus. A health problem of this magnitude is detrimental to a nation’s economic well-being because it reduces human capital.


So, despite this, the country still functions effectively, doesn't it.


No, it doesn't.

It's always got it's hands out begging for support/aid or anything it can get.

If any of its people thought they had half a chance, they would be out of there.
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Reply #245 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:58pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:48pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:45pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:42pm:
John Smith loves Botswana. Grin Grin

HIV/AIDS, however, is the largest contributor to poverty in Botswana. According to the CIA World Factbook, the prevalence of HIV/Aids is “second highest in the world and threatens Botswana’s impressive economic gains”. In 2012, 25% of the adult population was infected with the deadly virus. A health problem of this magnitude is detrimental to a nation’s economic well-being because it reduces human capital.


So, despite this, the country still functions effectively, doesn't it.

It only has 2 million people and sells it's natural resources to China. That's the only propping it's economy up. Yet it's still full of sick and impoverished people. It's a craphole.


As compared to other countries where they don't spend a single dollar on their people, Botswana does very well.
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Valkie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:53pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:45pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:42pm:
John Smith loves Botswana. Grin Grin

HIV/AIDS, however, is the largest contributor to poverty in Botswana. According to the CIA World Factbook, the prevalence of HIV/Aids is “second highest in the world and threatens Botswana’s impressive economic gains”. In 2012, 25% of the adult population was infected with the deadly virus. A health problem of this magnitude is detrimental to a nation’s economic well-being because it reduces human capital.


So, despite this, the country still functions effectively, doesn't it.


No, it doesn't.

It's always got it's hands out begging for support/aid or anything it can get.

If any of its people thought they had half a chance, they would be out of there.


Mmm, really? Clearly you have no knowledge of any such facts.
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Reply #247 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:08pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:45pm:
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John Smith loves Botswana. Grin Grin

HIV/AIDS, however, is the largest contributor to poverty in Botswana. According to the CIA World Factbook, the prevalence of HIV/Aids is “second highest in the world and threatens Botswana’s impressive economic gains”. In 2012, 25% of the adult population was infected with the deadly virus. A health problem of this magnitude is detrimental to a nation’s economic well-being because it reduces human capital.


So, despite this, the country still functions effectively, doesn't it.


It's your typical African shytehole.

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And you d1ck that was well past/post colonisation & settlement.


Who said I was limiting my comments only to colonial times, Gnads?

I am sure that the Stock Industry still believed it was colonising the Top End well into the 1960s.

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That Aboriginals adapted very well to stockwork is a given .... but they were taught everything they applied by whitey .... there were no cattle & horses on the continent prior to whitey.

The reason that they were a mainstay in the industry in remote areas was because they were already there ... a lot of whiteys didn't want to go out there.


I am unsure why you're suggesting I'm disputing those points, Gnads?   Roll Eyes

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Oh & whitey gave em tucker & smokes ... so they worked cheap ......

well before any aboriginal stockmans strike. [/quote]

Again, I am not disputing that.  The white land owners exploited the Indigenous stockmen, as the whites who were forced north by the Japanese threat discovered when they arrived in the Northern Territory.   Do you deny that?   Roll Eyes
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freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:36pm:
Brian do you have any idea what he means by houses and sheds?

Are you willing to defend his use of the term farming? Or is making sense not really necessary when you are rewriting history?

Did you put any thought at all into this rubbish before jumping on the bandwagon?


As far as I am aware, FD, no history has been rewritten.  I am confining my comments to the article I linked to, which spoke about what the original Colonists discovered.   What are you referring to?   Roll Eyes


Comments in the article about sheds and houses, and that burning grass to attract wild kangaroos is a type of farming.

Are you just defending this because you want it to be true?


Are you denying that it isn't true, FD?    Roll Eyes
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Valkie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:35pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:42pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:57pm:
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Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


Still the least developed human societies.


Also the longest lasting culture the world has known, one which invented sophisticated means of living using a stick, Gordon.   Plonk a white person down in the middle of Woop-Woop and they'd survive how long?   Plonk an Indigenous person down there and they'd still be alive happily when you came to collect them again.    White colonists were lucky the Indigenous Australians took pity on them, otherwise they'd have died of thirst or starved to death when they first arrived.   Roll Eyes


You really are deluded Brian .... the majority of Aboriginals today would perish just like Whitey ... why because they haven't been raised in Woop- Woop or taught how to survive of the land with bush tucker.

Only those in remote communities can do that .... & mostly they do that with whiteys tools today.

They are a small number of the whole population who identify as Aboriginals.


Did I claim otherwise?  Most inidgenous kids get exposed to bush tucker and how to survive in the bush.  Most white kids spend all their time in front of a computer screen.    Roll Eyes


No they don't ... because more & more Aboriginal kids live in large urban towns & cities.


The best and most exhaulted survival experts was the Bush Tucker man
He was white

Ta Da


Les Hiddins was taught by Indigenous Australians all his survival skills and knowledge,  Something he has never denied and he himself admitted to on numerous occasions.   "Ta Da", Valkie.   He was a fine man until the PTSD started to affect his judgement.  I met him IIRC 1989 at ADFA when gave a guest lecture to my Strategic Geography course as part of my Master of Defence studies degree.
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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......


'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.


Complete BS Aussie as usual ... what's being put shyte on is fabricated nonsense being espoused by the likes of Brian who believe that Aboriginals were farmers, graziers, had established agriculture & urban infrastructure & Universities etc etc.

All pre-colonisation ..... then Brian wants to change tacks & claim Aboriginals knew all about cattle, horses & sheep husbandry to advise early settlers .... i.e . advising them "how to marshal their stock".

Not that anyone marshals stock ... they muster & round up ... but they don't marshall.

Best you stick to the law, cab driving & Clivey baby Palmer.  Roll Eyes


Oh, dearie, dearie me.  Erecting a strawman argument, Gnads?  How unusual for you, hey?  Care to quote back to us where I claimed those things?   I suspect you won't because you won't find any such bullshit.   Tsk, tsk, how typical for a racist...    Roll Eyes
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I think you'll find that Les' eyes told the story even when he was doing his bush tucker man thing..... but you must remember that the Regiment is not its officers....
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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:36pm:
Brian do you have any idea what he means by houses and sheds?

Are you willing to defend his use of the term farming? Or is making sense not really necessary when you are rewriting history?

Did you put any thought at all into this rubbish before jumping on the bandwagon?


As far as I am aware, FD, no history has been rewritten.  I am confining my comments to the article I linked to, which spoke about what the original Colonists discovered.   What are you referring to?   Roll Eyes


Comments in the article about sheds and houses, and that burning grass to attract wild kangaroos is a type of farming.

Are you just defending this because you want it to be true?


Are you denying that it isn't true, FD?    Roll Eyes


It is what the article says. Sounds like BS to me. Even you are backing away from supporting it.

Do you consider setting fire to the grass to help hunt roos to be a type of farming?
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I think you'll find that Les' eyes told the story even when he was doing his bush tucker man thing..... but you must remember that the Regiment is not its officers....


I know why he resigned from the Army.  He got fed up with the demands from Russell that he turn up to do various PR things and when he finally did, he wasn't wearing full uniform.   They attempted to make life difficult for him so he said, "Get stuffed!" And walked out.   He was a difficult man to work with, I was told and that showed when he turned up to give us a lecture.  He was followed by a gaggle of media types and he locked them out of the lecture room.   He told some interesting stories to us that day.
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freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:04pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:36pm:
Brian do you have any idea what he means by houses and sheds?

Are you willing to defend his use of the term farming? Or is making sense not really necessary when you are rewriting history?

Did you put any thought at all into this rubbish before jumping on the bandwagon?


As far as I am aware, FD, no history has been rewritten.  I am confining my comments to the article I linked to, which spoke about what the original Colonists discovered.   What are you referring to?   Roll Eyes


Comments in the article about sheds and houses, and that burning grass to attract wild kangaroos is a type of farming.

Are you just defending this because you want it to be true?


Are you denying that it isn't true, FD?    Roll Eyes


It is what the article says. Sounds like BS to me. Even you are backing away from supporting it.

Do you consider setting fire to the grass to help hunt roos to be a type of farming?


I consider the planting of crops which were later harvested to be farming, FD.  I consider the clearing of land through fire-stick methods to be part of that.  Seems to work in many other places around the world - do you dispute the use there?  I am "backing away" from nothing.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #256 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:20pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:09pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:01pm:
I think you'll find that Les' eyes told the story even when he was doing his bush tucker man thing..... but you must remember that the Regiment is not its officers....


I know why he resigned from the Army.  He got fed up with the demands from Russell that he turn up to do various PR things and when he finally did, he wasn't wearing full uniform.   They attempted to make life difficult for him so he said, "Get stuffed!" And walked out.   He was a difficult man to work with, I was told and that showed when he turned up to give us a lecture.  He was followed by a gaggle of media types and he locked them out of the lecture room.   He told some interesting stories to us that day.


Uniform and ceremony are optional on ops... boots are personal choice as generally are weapons...

I can understand his ire.... difficult to work with for those who did the things you discuss.... nobody is difficult to work with within The Regiment.... limelight is not their forte... and photo ops for (no comment) are like eating ten lemons....
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Anyway - I'm more interested in discussion of the point I raised - that 'interest groups' of any kind are not demande3d upon to change their chosen way of life (= tolerance) - but certain of such constantly demand that everyone else change to suit them.

In that case - who precisely is the 'aggressor' or 'oppressor' here?

I give you the example of the Robert E Lee statue that some group of 'civic fathers' wanted to change - nobody demanded that they subscribe to the tenets of slavery etc - but they demanded that any differing view be beaten into the ground..... Antifa......

The Gineral never owned a slave..... and had the choice to command the Union armies but refused because he would not wage war on his native state... yet some newfers think that a statue to honour him is oppressive and inciting slavery?

Who then  is the aggressor = oppressor?  those who simply seek to go about their lives or those who demand that those lives be changed? Huh Huh
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I'd like to continue this discussion a little more:-

With some questions...

a.  What spiritual ceremonies do the local Aboriginals perform on Ayers Rock?

b.  What spiritual ceremonies do the local Aboriginals perform on Mount Warning?

c.  What spiritual ceremonies do the local Aboriginals perform at Jervis Bay?

d.  What spiritual significance do local Aboriginals possess towards national icons such as Ayers Rock that the rest of  Australia does not possess?

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Gnads wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:37pm:
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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......


'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.


Complete BS Aussie as usual ... what's being put shyte on is fabricated nonsense being espoused by the likes of Brian who believe that Aboriginals were farmers, graziers, had established agriculture & urban infrastructure & Universities etc etc.

All pre-colonisation ..... then Brian wants to change tacks & claim Aboriginals knew all about cattle, horses & sheep husbandry to advise early settlers .... i.e . advising them "how to marshal their stock".

Not that anyone marshals stock ... they muster & round up ... but they don't marshall.

Best you stick to the law, cab driving & Clivey baby Palmer.  Roll Eyes


Oh, dearie, dearie me.  Erecting a strawman argument, Gnads?  How unusual for you, hey?  Care to quote back to us where I claimed those things?   I suspect you won't because you won't find any such bullshit.   Tsk, tsk, how typical for a racist...    Roll Eyes


The whole OP was about Aboriginals pre-colonisation & shortly thereafter.

And you bought in a bs statement about aboriginals & advising settlers on livestock issues. "How to marshal their stock".

This had absolutely no relevance to the discussion about the claims being made by Bruce Pascoe & Trevor Abrahams.

You can't even walk a straight line sober.
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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:13pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:04pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:36pm:
Brian do you have any idea what he means by houses and sheds?

Are you willing to defend his use of the term farming? Or is making sense not really necessary when you are rewriting history?

Did you put any thought at all into this rubbish before jumping on the bandwagon?


As far as I am aware, FD, no history has been rewritten.  I am confining my comments to the article I linked to, which spoke about what the original Colonists discovered.   What are you referring to?   Roll Eyes


Comments in the article about sheds and houses, and that burning grass to attract wild kangaroos is a type of farming.

Are you just defending this because you want it to be true?


Are you denying that it isn't true, FD?    Roll Eyes


It is what the article says. Sounds like BS to me. Even you are backing away from supporting it.

Do you consider setting fire to the grass to help hunt roos to be a type of farming?


I consider the planting of crops which were later harvested to be farming, FD.  I consider the clearing of land through fire-stick methods to be part of that.  Seems to work in many other places around the world - do you dispute the use there?  I am "backing away" from nothing.   Roll Eyes


You also stated "yams" were native to Australia and they're not.

Aboriginals ate various types of native tubers that they ended up calling YAMS very much later down the track after colonisation.

Those tubers are not in fact "yams".
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"Bought" is the past tense of buy. I hear it used for "brought" every day, but I rarely see it in the written form. I know we have difficulty with Rs on the end of words, but usually we can handle it within the word, like "from."

Dropping the R is a French pronunciation, brought over to England with the Normans. It did not catch on at the extremity of their influence: Cornwall, North England, Scotland, and Eire.

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issuevoter wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 8:39am:
"Bought" is the past tense of buy. I hear it used for "brought" every day, but I rarely see it in the written form. I know we have difficulty with Rs on the end of words, but usually we can handle it within the word, like "from."

Dropping the R is a French pronunciation, brought over to England with the Normans. It did not catch on at the extremity of their influence: Cornwall, North England, Scotland, and Eire.



Just a typo thank you
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Either way Grendel ... the tubers Aboriginals ate or eat are neither yam or sweet potato.
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Oh I'm with you not MR Sweet Potato Head Bwian.
I'm still trying to picture how they became agriculturalists and plowed fields and planted seed.... and nurtured them and harvested them...  perhaps on the backs of Wombats? Roll Eyes
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I'd like to continue this discussion a little more:-

With some questions...

a.  What spiritual ceremonies do the local Aboriginals perform on Ayers Rock?

b.  What spiritual ceremonies do the local Aboriginals perform on Mount Warning?

c.  What spiritual ceremonies do the local Aboriginals perform at Jervis Bay?

d.  What spiritual significance do local Aboriginals possess towards national icons such as Ayers Rock that the rest of  Australia does not possess?



An aboriginal friend of mine once told me that a sacred site infant sacred if it's not secret.

Well that stuffs them donnit?
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Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 2:09pm:
Oh I'm with you not MR Sweet Potato Head Bwian.
I'm still trying to picture how they became agriculturalists and plowed fields and planted seed.... and nurtured them and harvested them...  perhaps on the backs of Wombats? Roll Eyes


If any of this fabricated BULL shite were even remotely true.

We would see continuation or at least some evidence of these practices today.

There are tribes in more remote parts of Australia where there woukd be evidence.
But the fabricators of this BULL shite don't have even one single solitary piece of evidence.
How many times must these liars state crap before someone calls them to task?
But then again, when it's done they all squeal "racist" as if that is proof of their lies.

The Australian aboriginal are pre-stone age
There is no conclusive evidence that they ever truly worked stone or lashed worked stone to a handle.
Their spears were sharpened by burning the end and rubbing them on rocks to make them sharp.
Many/ most didn't even know how to make fire from scratch, but carried ashes from site to site wrapped up in paperbark.

This is not the level of civilization that has agriculture or builds houses.
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Reply #269 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:54pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:13pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:04pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:36pm:
Brian do you have any idea what he means by houses and sheds?

Are you willing to defend his use of the term farming? Or is making sense not really necessary when you are rewriting history?

Did you put any thought at all into this rubbish before jumping on the bandwagon?


As far as I am aware, FD, no history has been rewritten.  I am confining my comments to the article I linked to, which spoke about what the original Colonists discovered.   What are you referring to?   Roll Eyes


Comments in the article about sheds and houses, and that burning grass to attract wild kangaroos is a type of farming.

Are you just defending this because you want it to be true?


Are you denying that it isn't true, FD?    Roll Eyes


It is what the article says. Sounds like BS to me. Even you are backing away from supporting it.

Do you consider setting fire to the grass to help hunt roos to be a type of farming?


I consider the planting of crops which were later harvested to be farming, FD.  I consider the clearing of land through fire-stick methods to be part of that.  Seems to work in many other places around the world - do you dispute the use there?  I am "backing away" from nothing.   Roll Eyes


So the Aborigines were farmers because they were using fire in preparation for Europeans to come and plant crops?

Do you have any clue at all what you are talking about?
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Slash and burn, still practiced today.
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Slash and burn, still practiced today.


Normally they actually plant something afterwards Auggie. That's what "slash and burn" becomes "slash and burn farming".
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Slash and burn, still practiced today.


Normally they actually plant something afterwards Auggie. That's what "slash and burn" becomes "slash and burn farming".


Not Auggie.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Slash and burn, still practiced today.


Normally they actually plant something afterwards Auggie. That's what "slash and burn" becomes "slash and burn farming".


Not 'slash and burn' hydroculture??
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freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:04pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Slash and burn, still practiced today.


Normally they actually plant something afterwards Auggie. That's what "slash and burn" becomes "slash and burn farming".


Not Auggie.


You had to tell him, didn't you?
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Aussie wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:06pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:04pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Slash and burn, still practiced today.


Normally they actually plant something afterwards Auggie. That's what "slash and burn" becomes "slash and burn farming".


Not Auggie.


You had to tell him, didn't you?




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Aussie wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:06pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:04pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Slash and burn, still practiced today.


Normally they actually plant something afterwards Auggie. That's what "slash and burn" becomes "slash and burn farming".


Not Auggie.


You had to tell him, didn't you?


Yes, as I'd hate to see you blamed for something you had nothing to do with.
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Aussie wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:06pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:04pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Slash and burn, still practiced today.


Normally they actually plant something afterwards Auggie. That's what "slash and burn" becomes "slash and burn farming".


Not Auggie.


You had to tell him, didn't you?




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Auggie wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:08pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:06pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:04pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Slash and burn, still practiced today.


Normally they actually plant something afterwards Auggie. That's what "slash and burn" becomes "slash and burn farming".


Not Auggie.


You had to tell him, didn't you?




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Gnads wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:37pm:
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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......


'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.


Complete BS Aussie as usual ... what's being put shyte on is fabricated nonsense being espoused by the likes of Brian who believe that Aboriginals were farmers, graziers, had established agriculture & urban infrastructure & Universities etc etc.

All pre-colonisation ..... then Brian wants to change tacks & claim Aboriginals knew all about cattle, horses & sheep husbandry to advise early settlers .... i.e . advising them "how to marshal their stock".

Not that anyone marshals stock ... they muster & round up ... but they don't marshall.

Best you stick to the law, cab driving & Clivey baby Palmer.  Roll Eyes


Oh, dearie, dearie me.  Erecting a strawman argument, Gnads?  How unusual for you, hey?  Care to quote back to us where I claimed those things?   I suspect you won't because you won't find any such bullshit.   Tsk, tsk, how typical for a racist...    Roll Eyes


The whole OP was about Aboriginals pre-colonisation & shortly thereafter.

And you bought in a bs statement about aboriginals & advising settlers on livestock issues. "How to marshal their stock".

This had absolutely no relevance to the discussion about the claims being made by Bruce Pascoe & Trevor Abrahams.

You can't even walk a straight line sober.


Where did I use the word "advising", Gnads?

I note you've again failed to answer my point, you have not supplied a quote of my words which back your claims.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.
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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:12pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 8:16am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:46pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:37pm:
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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......


'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.


Complete BS Aussie as usual ... what's being put shyte on is fabricated nonsense being espoused by the likes of Brian who believe that Aboriginals were farmers, graziers, had established agriculture & urban infrastructure & Universities etc etc.

All pre-colonisation ..... then Brian wants to change tacks & claim Aboriginals knew all about cattle, horses & sheep husbandry to advise early settlers .... i.e . advising them "how to marshal their stock".

Not that anyone marshals stock ... they muster & round up ... but they don't marshall.

Best you stick to the law, cab driving & Clivey baby Palmer.  Roll Eyes


Oh, dearie, dearie me.  Erecting a strawman argument, Gnads?  How unusual for you, hey?  Care to quote back to us where I claimed those things?   I suspect you won't because you won't find any such bullshit.   Tsk, tsk, how typical for a racist...    Roll Eyes


The whole OP was about Aboriginals pre-colonisation & shortly thereafter.

And you bought in a bs statement about aboriginals & advising settlers on livestock issues. "How to marshal their stock".

This had absolutely no relevance to the discussion about the claims being made by Bruce Pascoe & Trevor Abrahams.

You can't even walk a straight line sober.


Where did I use the word "advising", Gnads?

I note you've again failed to answer my point, you have not supplied a quote of my words which back your claims.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk. 

You went further than advise.

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Gnads wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 8:19am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:13pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:04pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:36pm:
Brian do you have any idea what he means by houses and sheds?

Are you willing to defend his use of the term farming? Or is making sense not really necessary when you are rewriting history?

Did you put any thought at all into this rubbish before jumping on the bandwagon?


As far as I am aware, FD, no history has been rewritten.  I am confining my comments to the article I linked to, which spoke about what the original Colonists discovered.   What are you referring to?   Roll Eyes


Comments in the article about sheds and houses, and that burning grass to attract wild kangaroos is a type of farming.

Are you just defending this because you want it to be true?


Are you denying that it isn't true, FD?    Roll Eyes


It is what the article says. Sounds like BS to me. Even you are backing away from supporting it.

Do you consider setting fire to the grass to help hunt roos to be a type of farming?


I consider the planting of crops which were later harvested to be farming, FD.  I consider the clearing of land through fire-stick methods to be part of that.  Seems to work in many other places around the world - do you dispute the use there?  I am "backing away" from nothing.   Roll Eyes


You also stated "yams" were native to Australia and they're not.

Aboriginals ate various types of native tubers that they ended up calling YAMS very much later down the track after colonisation.

Those tubers are not in fact "yams".


As it was a colonist's description.  "Yams" is how Sweet Potatoes were often described.   Sweet Potatoes originated some 800,000 years ago, well before the advent of modern man.  The original hypothesis that it was the Polynesians who carried it from the Americas are now being questioned and it is believed that the Sweet Potato spread naturally throughout the Pacific and hence into Australia.[1]
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Gnads wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 8:16am:
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Gnads wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:37pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 2:48pm:
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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......


'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.


Complete BS Aussie as usual ... what's being put shyte on is fabricated nonsense being espoused by the likes of Brian who believe that Aboriginals were farmers, graziers, had established agriculture & urban infrastructure & Universities etc etc.

All pre-colonisation ..... then Brian wants to change tacks & claim Aboriginals knew all about cattle, horses & sheep husbandry to advise early settlers .... i.e . advising them "how to marshal their stock".

Not that anyone marshals stock ... they muster & round up ... but they don't marshall.

Best you stick to the law, cab driving & Clivey baby Palmer.  Roll Eyes


Oh, dearie, dearie me.  Erecting a strawman argument, Gnads?  How unusual for you, hey?  Care to quote back to us where I claimed those things?   I suspect you won't because you won't find any such bullshit.   Tsk, tsk, how typical for a racist...    Roll Eyes


The whole OP was about Aboriginals pre-colonisation & shortly thereafter.

And you bought in a bs statement about aboriginals & advising settlers on livestock issues. "How to marshal their stock".

This had absolutely no relevance to the discussion about the claims being made by Bruce Pascoe & Trevor Abrahams.

You can't even walk a straight line sober.


Where did I use the word "advising", Gnads?

I note you've again failed to answer my point, you have not supplied a quote of my words which back your claims.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk. 

You went further than advise.

Brian- Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry


You have yet to prove otherwise, Hammer.   Without a ready and willing workforce to exploit, the white controlled stock industry would not have flourished.   QED.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #284 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:31pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:11pm:
cods wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:08pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:06pm:
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Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Slash and burn, still practiced today.


Normally they actually plant something afterwards Auggie. That's what "slash and burn" becomes "slash and burn farming".


Not Auggie.


You had to tell him, didn't you?




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Reply #285 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:34pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:13pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:04pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:36pm:
Brian do you have any idea what he means by houses and sheds?

Are you willing to defend his use of the term farming? Or is making sense not really necessary when you are rewriting history?

Did you put any thought at all into this rubbish before jumping on the bandwagon?


As far as I am aware, FD, no history has been rewritten.  I am confining my comments to the article I linked to, which spoke about what the original Colonists discovered.   What are you referring to?   Roll Eyes


Comments in the article about sheds and houses, and that burning grass to attract wild kangaroos is a type of farming.

Are you just defending this because you want it to be true?


Are you denying that it isn't true, FD?    Roll Eyes


It is what the article says. Sounds like BS to me. Even you are backing away from supporting it.

Do you consider setting fire to the grass to help hunt roos to be a type of farming?


I consider the planting of crops which were later harvested to be farming, FD.  I consider the clearing of land through fire-stick methods to be part of that.  Seems to work in many other places around the world - do you dispute the use there?  I am "backing away" from nothing.   Roll Eyes


So the Aborigines were farmers because they were using fire in preparation for Europeans to come and plant crops?

Do you have any clue at all what you are talking about?


Do you?  Really?  Or are you just bullshiting for the usual sake, FD?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #286 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:35pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:16pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:12pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 8:16am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:46pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:37pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 2:48pm:
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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......


'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.


Complete BS Aussie as usual ... what's being put shyte on is fabricated nonsense being espoused by the likes of Brian who believe that Aboriginals were farmers, graziers, had established agriculture & urban infrastructure & Universities etc etc.

All pre-colonisation ..... then Brian wants to change tacks & claim Aboriginals knew all about cattle, horses & sheep husbandry to advise early settlers .... i.e . advising them "how to marshal their stock".

Not that anyone marshals stock ... they muster & round up ... but they don't marshall.

Best you stick to the law, cab driving & Clivey baby Palmer.  Roll Eyes


Oh, dearie, dearie me.  Erecting a strawman argument, Gnads?  How unusual for you, hey?  Care to quote back to us where I claimed those things?   I suspect you won't because you won't find any such bullshit.   Tsk, tsk, how typical for a racist...    Roll Eyes


The whole OP was about Aboriginals pre-colonisation & shortly thereafter.

And you bought in a bs statement about aboriginals & advising settlers on livestock issues. "How to marshal their stock".

This had absolutely no relevance to the discussion about the claims being made by Bruce Pascoe & Trevor Abrahams.

You can't even walk a straight line sober.


Where did I use the word "advising", Gnads?

I note you've again failed to answer my point, you have not supplied a quote of my words which back your claims.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk. 

You went further than advise.

Brian- Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry


You have yet to prove otherwise, Hammer.   Without a ready and willing workforce to exploit, the white controlled stock industry would not have flourished.   QED.   Roll Eyes

I live in Western Sydney about 40kms from the CBD and farmers still run cattle near my home. Sydney aborigines were nearly wiped out yet there's been  a cattle industry on the outskirts of Sydney for over 200 years. Did they get help Brian? Maybe they got help out in the arid areas but not all  Australian grazing land is like that. Not all grazing land needed aborigines to show them water because their cattle property fronted a river a creek. Your comments was ill informed and general.
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Reply #287 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:41pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:35pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:16pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:12pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 8:16am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:46pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:37pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 2:48pm:
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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......


'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.


Complete BS Aussie as usual ... what's being put shyte on is fabricated nonsense being espoused by the likes of Brian who believe that Aboriginals were farmers, graziers, had established agriculture & urban infrastructure & Universities etc etc.

All pre-colonisation ..... then Brian wants to change tacks & claim Aboriginals knew all about cattle, horses & sheep husbandry to advise early settlers .... i.e . advising them "how to marshal their stock".

Not that anyone marshals stock ... they muster & round up ... but they don't marshall.

Best you stick to the law, cab driving & Clivey baby Palmer.  Roll Eyes


Oh, dearie, dearie me.  Erecting a strawman argument, Gnads?  How unusual for you, hey?  Care to quote back to us where I claimed those things?   I suspect you won't because you won't find any such bullshit.   Tsk, tsk, how typical for a racist...    Roll Eyes


The whole OP was about Aboriginals pre-colonisation & shortly thereafter.

And you bought in a bs statement about aboriginals & advising settlers on livestock issues. "How to marshal their stock".

This had absolutely no relevance to the discussion about the claims being made by Bruce Pascoe & Trevor Abrahams.

You can't even walk a straight line sober.


Where did I use the word "advising", Gnads?

I note you've again failed to answer my point, you have not supplied a quote of my words which back your claims.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk. 

You went further than advise.

Brian- Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry


You have yet to prove otherwise, Hammer.   Without a ready and willing workforce to exploit, the white controlled stock industry would not have flourished.   QED.   Roll Eyes

I live in Western Sydney about 40kms from the CBD and farmers still run cattle near my home. Sydney aborigines were nearly wiped out yet there's been  a cattle industry on the outskirts of Sydney for over 200 years. Did they get help Brian? Maybe they got help out in the arid areas but not all  Australian grazing land is like that. Not all grazing land needed aborigines to show them water because their cattle property fronted a river a creek. Your comments was ill informed and general.


Ask the Vesteys, Hammer.  Oh, thats right, they abandoned their investment in Wave Hill Station after the locals went on strike rather than continue as their slaves.  How ungrateful, hey?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #288 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 8:08pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:34pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:13pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:04pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:36pm:
Brian do you have any idea what he means by houses and sheds?

Are you willing to defend his use of the term farming? Or is making sense not really necessary when you are rewriting history?

Did you put any thought at all into this rubbish before jumping on the bandwagon?


As far as I am aware, FD, no history has been rewritten.  I am confining my comments to the article I linked to, which spoke about what the original Colonists discovered.   What are you referring to?   Roll Eyes


Comments in the article about sheds and houses, and that burning grass to attract wild kangaroos is a type of farming.

Are you just defending this because you want it to be true?


Are you denying that it isn't true, FD?    Roll Eyes


It is what the article says. Sounds like BS to me. Even you are backing away from supporting it.

Do you consider setting fire to the grass to help hunt roos to be a type of farming?


I consider the planting of crops which were later harvested to be farming, FD.  I consider the clearing of land through fire-stick methods to be part of that.  Seems to work in many other places around the world - do you dispute the use there?  I am "backing away" from nothing.   Roll Eyes


So the Aborigines were farmers because they were using fire in preparation for Europeans to come and plant crops?

Do you have any clue at all what you are talking about?


Do you?  Really?  Or are you just bullshiting for the usual sake, FD?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


Do you agree with the author that burning the grass to attract roos to hunt is a type of farming? Why do you keep running away from simple questions like this? I have been asking you for several pages now.
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Reply #289 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 9:15pm
 
freediver,

Using fire to get some animals to abandon certain bushland, and allow aborigines to better hunt, is a type of hunter activity.
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"burning the grass to attract roos"

Nah - that's caretaking the lend - by ripping the sh1t out of it..... by gross mutilation in order to exploit another resource ... akin to tearing out a few thousand acres of trees and cultivation to put in an open cut mine....... oh ...... wait a minute......

**looks like another clean head shot at 1000m to me ....
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You know....the world is lucky that these abos didn't have life preservation going on.
Imagine 20,000,000 abos living and farming this country....their way.  Grin
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Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 9:31pm:
You know....the world is lucky that these abos didn't have life preservation going on.
Imagine 20,000,000 abos living and farming this country....their way.  Grin


They would have starved to death unless they had a conservation of animals code in their lives.
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According to Brian's poster boy for historical revisionism and other BS, burning grass to hunt roos is farming.
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LOL
bwian is just not worth listening to.
Wave Hill walk out eh Bwian...  when was that again?

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Oh dear, tsk, tsk tsk bwian... caught out being disingenuous yet again. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #295 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:06pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 10:39pm:
LOL
bwian is just not worth listening to.
Wave Hill walk out eh Bwian...  when was that again?

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1966
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Oh dear, tsk, tsk tsk bwian... caught out being disingenuous yet again. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Where have I been "disingenious"?  I assumed everybody knew when the Wave Hill Station walkout occurred.  Are you suggesting that some people are ignorant of Australian history, Geoff?  Tsk, tsk.  I suppose from the numerous examples here made by the Racists you'd be right.

Are you missing the good old days, Geoff, when you could exploit Black Australians like the Vesteys did?

Studying Australian history, it is littered with examples of people like you, Geoff.  You claim to have the best interests of Australians at heart but when one examines exactly what you're proposing your views are found to feature Racism, Xenophobia, Islamophobia, Sexism and of course just outright hatred of your fellow Australians and anybody who seeks to become an Australian at their core.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #296 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:25pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:06pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 10:39pm:
LOL
bwian is just not worth listening to.
Wave Hill walk out eh Bwian...  when was that again?

Quote:
Protesting for equal wages Aboriginal stockmen walked off Wave Hill pastoral station in the Northern Territory in
1966
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Oh dear, tsk, tsk tsk bwian... caught out being disingenuous yet again. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Where have I been "disingenious"? 

Don't you know.  It's obvious bwian did you forget about your claims re Aboriginal history?


I assumed everybody knew when the Wave Hull Station walkout occurred. 

That's WAVE HILL Bwian.


Are you suggesting that some people are ignorant of Australian history, Geoff?  Tsk, tsk. 

No Bwian, tsk, tsk YOU are lying again..


I suppose from the numerous examples here made by the Racists you'd be right.

oh dear ad hom and name calling what a TROLL YOU are.


Are you missing the good old days, Geoff, when you could exploit Black Australians like the Vesteys did?

Oh dear more lying and libel eh bwian, tsk,tsk, tsk... 


Studying Australian history, it is littered with examples of people like you, Geoff. 

Really...  you lying again.  You libeling me bwian.  tsk, tsk, tsk...  I feel another of the many apologies you already owe me coming on.  YOU really are pathetic these days aren't you.  People like me bwian, you mean non-racists?


You claim to have the best interests of Australians at heart but when one examines exactly what you're proposing your views are found to feature Racism, Xenophobia, Islamophobia, Sexism and of course just outright hatred of your fellow Australians and anybody who seeks to become an Australian at their core.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Oh dear yet another blatant lie once more bwian rants, no proof from the coward who flames and tosses ad hom with every post.  tsk, tsk, tsk oh dearie dearie me bwian...
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Still unable to use the quote function, Geoff.  Get back to me once you've worked it out.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #298 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 5:32pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 5:14pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 2:09pm:
Oh I'm with you not MR Sweet Potato Head Bwian.
I'm still trying to picture how they became agriculturalists and plowed fields and planted seed.... and nurtured them and harvested them...  perhaps on the backs of Wombats? Roll Eyes


If any of this fabricated BULL shite were even remotely true.

We would see continuation or at least some evidence of these practices today.

There are tribes in more remote parts of Australia where there woukd be evidence.
But the fabricators of this BULL shite don't have even one single solitary piece of evidence.
How many times must these liars state crap before someone calls them to task?
But then again, when it's done they all squeal "racist" as if that is proof of their lies.

The Australian aboriginal are pre-stone age
There is no conclusive evidence that they ever truly worked stone or lashed worked stone to a handle.
Their spears were sharpened by burning the end and rubbing them on rocks to make them sharp.
Many/ most didn't even know how to make fire from scratch, but carried ashes from site to site wrapped up in paperbark.

This is not the level of civilization that has agriculture or builds houses.


Interesting how the apologists ignore facts as above.
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I agree that the Indigenous Peoples of Australia were a non-complex civilisation; but this doesn't mean that they were inferior.

They had a unique civilisation; they deserve respect, recognition and compassion from people.

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I agree that the Indigenous Peoples of Australia were a non-complex civilisation; but this doesn't mean that they were inferior.

They had a unique civilisation; they deserve respect, recognition and compassion from people.

End of story.

For me it's not about respect. It's about the fabrication of history.
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For me it's not about respect. It's about the fabrication of history.


No one's fabricating history. The history is there for people to see. I agree that a minority a pushing a revisionist perspective of the Indigenous Peoples, but they are a minority.

What you shouldn't do, Hammer: is put the Indigenous Peoples beneath dignity. They deserve our respect, recognition, irrespective of any thing the minority propagate.
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Auggie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 6:09pm:
I agree that the Indigenous Peoples of Australia were a non-complex civilisation; but this doesn't mean that they were inferior.

They had a unique civilisation; they deserve respect, recognition and compassion from people.

End of story.


Respect is earned.

Not expected just because you are coloured or even white.

When I see the majority of these primitive, lazy no hopers do something worthwhile.
And stop living off me and getting more than other Australians because they are black.
Then I will respect them.
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Reply #303 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 6:52pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 6:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 6:09pm:
I agree that the Indigenous Peoples of Australia were a non-complex civilisation; but this doesn't mean that they were inferior.

They had a unique civilisation; they deserve respect, recognition and compassion from people.

End of story.


Respect is earned.

Not expected just because you are coloured or even white.

When I see the majority of these primitive, lazy no hopers do something worthwhile.
And stop living off me and getting more than other Australians because they are black.
Then I will respect them.


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Reply #304 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 6:59pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 6:52pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 6:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 6:09pm:
I agree that the Indigenous Peoples of Australia were a non-complex civilisation; but this doesn't mean that they were inferior.

They had a unique civilisation; they deserve respect, recognition and compassion from people.

End of story.


Respect is earned.

Not expected just because you are coloured or even white.

When I see the majority of these primitive, lazy no hopers do something worthwhile.
And stop living off me and getting more than other Australians because they are black.
Then I will respect them.


And you're the problem with this world, Valkie. You should be ashamed of yourself.


Really?

I should apologise for working, contributing and paying tax.
Perhaps I should apologise for being a volunteer and giving of myself.
Perhaps the donations to charity and freely given help to people is wrong.

For these things I don't demand or expect respect.
I simply expect others to do Their bit and be a contributing member of society.

Not a parasite, complaining about how badly done by I am and how my country was advanced beyond my ability to cope.

Open your eyes, my friend.
PARASITES are worthless.


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Brian are you afraid to even offer an opinion on the author's claim that burning grass to hunt roos is a type of farming? Why would you express support for something so stupid?
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Brian are you afraid to even offer an opinion on the author's claim that burning grass to hunt roos is a type of farming? Why would you express support for something so stupid?





he undermines the aboriginal...

  in fact they did work out burning of vegetation did regenerate  a lot of the food they lived on.....so well done to them....

did it also barbeque a kangaroo or snake probably.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes    we should give them credit where its due..

look what happens to whitey when he is lost without food    they end up  eating  each other.... Sad Sad Sad

an aboriginal can always find food and water.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Good grief....  never heard of Cannibal tribes eh
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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 4:07pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Still unable to use the quote function, Geoff.  Get back to me once you've worked it out.    Roll Eyes

Shotdown again eh bwian.
Too bad for you.
Typical of you to runaway when beaten...
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I agree that the Indigenous Peoples of Australia were a non-complex civilisation; but this doesn't mean that they were inferior.

They had a unique civilisation; they deserve respect, recognition and compassion from people.

End of story.

Depends what you mean by inferior.
A VW Bug is a car but could be considered inferior to a Bugatti Veyron.
A Spear is a handy weapon, bow and arrow handier, Rifle even handier, some would rightly consider a Spear inferior to a Rifle.
Plowing a field with a stick and plowing a field with a plowshare pulled by a horse, which one do you consider inferior?
The list goes on and on...  of course things are superior and inferior...  only fools think they are not. Roll Eyes
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Reply #310 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:31pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:29pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 6:09pm:
I agree that the Indigenous Peoples of Australia were a non-complex civilisation; but this doesn't mean that they were inferior.

They had a unique civilisation; they deserve respect, recognition and compassion from people.

End of story.

Depends what you mean by inferior.
A VW Bug is a car but could be considered inferior to a Bugatti Veyron.
A Spear is a handy weapon, bow and arrow handier, Rifle even handier, some would rightly consider a Spear inferior to a Rifle.
Plowing a field with a stick and plowing a field with a plowshare pulled by a horse, which one do you consider inferior?
The list goes on and on...  of course things are superior and inferior...  only fools think they are not. Roll Eyes


I'm talking about in terms of human decency and dignity. We made a mistake by thinking that they were 'inherently' inferior.

This is what I'm talking about
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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:12pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 8:16am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:46pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:37pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 2:48pm:
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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......


'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.


Complete BS Aussie as usual ... what's being put shyte on is fabricated nonsense being espoused by the likes of Brian who believe that Aboriginals were farmers, graziers, had established agriculture & urban infrastructure & Universities etc etc.

All pre-colonisation ..... then Brian wants to change tacks & claim Aboriginals knew all about cattle, horses & sheep husbandry to advise early settlers .... i.e . advising them "how to marshal their stock".

Not that anyone marshals stock ... they muster & round up ... but they don't marshall.

Best you stick to the law, cab driving & Clivey baby Palmer.  Roll Eyes


Oh, dearie, dearie me.  Erecting a strawman argument, Gnads?  How unusual for you, hey?  Care to quote back to us where I claimed those things?   I suspect you won't because you won't find any such bullshit.   Tsk, tsk, how typical for a racist...    Roll Eyes


The whole OP was about Aboriginals pre-colonisation & shortly thereafter.

And you bought in a bs statement about aboriginals & advising settlers on livestock issues. "How to marshal their stock".

This had absolutely no relevance to the discussion about the claims being made by Bruce Pascoe & Trevor Abrahams.

You can't even walk a straight line sober.


Where did I use the word "advising", Gnads?

I note you've again failed to answer my point, you have not supplied a quote of my words which back your claims.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk. 


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Brian said: They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.


Hiding behind pedantics doesn't cut it ... the precise wording is irrelevant.

Yo jest keepa marshalin yo bs Massa Bwain yo ol marshala.

Sum dey yo gonna mek a reel gud bs marshala.

Yo cud effen divisafy en lernt how ta marshal dem dere stocks.  Grin  Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:41pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:35pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:16pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:12pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 8:16am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:46pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:37pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 2:48pm:
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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......


'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.


Complete BS Aussie as usual ... what's being put shyte on is fabricated nonsense being espoused by the likes of Brian who believe that Aboriginals were farmers, graziers, had established agriculture & urban infrastructure & Universities etc etc.

All pre-colonisation ..... then Brian wants to change tacks & claim Aboriginals knew all about cattle, horses & sheep husbandry to advise early settlers .... i.e . advising them "how to marshal their stock".

Not that anyone marshals stock ... they muster & round up ... but they don't marshall.

Best you stick to the law, cab driving & Clivey baby Palmer.  Roll Eyes


Oh, dearie, dearie me.  Erecting a strawman argument, Gnads?  How unusual for you, hey?  Care to quote back to us where I claimed those things?   I suspect you won't because you won't find any such bullshit.   Tsk, tsk, how typical for a racist...    Roll Eyes


The whole OP was about Aboriginals pre-colonisation & shortly thereafter.

And you bought in a bs statement about aboriginals & advising settlers on livestock issues. "How to marshal their stock".

This had absolutely no relevance to the discussion about the claims being made by Bruce Pascoe & Trevor Abrahams.

You can't even walk a straight line sober.


Where did I use the word "advising", Gnads?

I note you've again failed to answer my point, you have not supplied a quote of my words which back your claims.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk. 

You went further than advise.

Brian- Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry


You have yet to prove otherwise, Hammer.   Without a ready and willing workforce to exploit, the white controlled stock industry would not have flourished.   QED.   Roll Eyes

I live in Western Sydney about 40kms from the CBD and farmers still run cattle near my home. Sydney aborigines were nearly wiped out yet there's been  a cattle industry on the outskirts of Sydney for over 200 years. Did they get help Brian? Maybe they got help out in the arid areas but not all  Australian grazing land is like that. Not all grazing land needed aborigines to show them water because their cattle property fronted a river a creek. Your comments was ill informed and general.


Ask the Vesteys, Hammer.  Oh, thats right, they abandoned their investment in Wave Hill Station after the locals went on strike rather than continue as their slaves.  How ungrateful, hey?   Roll Eyes


They were well fed ... better than eating lizards ,possums, insects & Roo.
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Reply #313 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 8:08pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:34pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:13pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:04pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:36pm:
Brian do you have any idea what he means by houses and sheds?

Are you willing to defend his use of the term farming? Or is making sense not really necessary when you are rewriting history?

Did you put any thought at all into this rubbish before jumping on the bandwagon?


As far as I am aware, FD, no history has been rewritten.  I am confining my comments to the article I linked to, which spoke about what the original Colonists discovered.   What are you referring to?   Roll Eyes


Comments in the article about sheds and houses, and that burning grass to attract wild kangaroos is a type of farming.

Are you just defending this because you want it to be true?


Are you denying that it isn't true, FD?    Roll Eyes


It is what the article says. Sounds like BS to me. Even you are backing away from supporting it.

Do you consider setting fire to the grass to help hunt roos to be a type of farming?


I consider the planting of crops which were later harvested to be farming, FD.  I consider the clearing of land through fire-stick methods to be part of that.  Seems to work in many other places around the world - do you dispute the use there?  I am "backing away" from nothing.   Roll Eyes


So the Aborigines were farmers because they were using fire in preparation for Europeans to come and plant crops?

Do you have any clue at all what you are talking about?


Do you?  Really?  Or are you just bullshiting for the usual sake, FD?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


Do you agree with the author that burning the grass to attract roos to hunt is a type of farming? Why do you keep running away from simple questions like this? I have been asking you for several pages now.


wasted questions FD ... he doesn't even know what a yam is.
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Reply #314 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
Brian are you afraid to even offer an opinion on the author's claim that burning grass to hunt roos is a type of farming? Why would you express support for something so stupid?

Why is it stupid FD?
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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:06pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 10:39pm:
LOL
bwian is just not worth listening to.
Wave Hill walk out eh Bwian...  when was that again?

Quote:
Protesting for equal wages Aboriginal stockmen walked off Wave Hill pastoral station in the Northern Territory in
1966
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Oh dear, tsk, tsk tsk bwian... caught out being disingenuous yet again. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Where have I been "disingenious"?  I assumed everybody knew when the Wave Hill Station walkout occurred.  Are you suggesting that some people are ignorant of Australian history, Geoff?  Tsk, tsk.  I suppose from the numerous examples here made by the Racists you'd be right.

Are you missing the good old days, Geoff, when you could exploit Black Australians like the Vesteys did?

Studying Australian history, it is littered with examples of people like you, Geoff.  You claim to have the best interests of Australians at heart but when one examines exactly what you're proposing your views are found to feature Racism, Xenophobia, Islamophobia, Sexism and of course just outright hatred of your fellow Australians and anybody who seeks to become an Australian at their core.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You keep shifting the OP & the notions proposed by the likes of Pascoe & Abrahams further & further toward present day.

Being a twisty shyte seems to be your forte.


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Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
Brian are you afraid to even offer an opinion on the author's claim that burning grass to hunt roos is a type of farming? Why would you express support for something so stupid?

Why is it stupid FD?


Agnes ... using fire to flush out game making it easier to see them isn't farming.

It's a hunting technique.

That the grass reshoots green & attracts roos for a while until it's too high again ... isn't farming either.

Therein the suggestion that it is ...drawing a long bow ... in fact in this case - stupid.
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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 4:07pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Still unable to use the quote function, Geoff.  Get back to me once you've worked it out.    Roll Eyes


More pedantics Roll Eyes

It was easy as to understand & didn't require quotes.
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Reply #319 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:54pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:46pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:06pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 10:39pm:
LOL
bwian is just not worth listening to.
Wave Hill walk out eh Bwian...  when was that again?

Quote:
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1966
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Oh dear, tsk, tsk tsk bwian... caught out being disingenuous yet again. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Where have I been "disingenious"?  I assumed everybody knew when the Wave Hill Station walkout occurred.  Are you suggesting that some people are ignorant of Australian history, Geoff?  Tsk, tsk.  I suppose from the numerous examples here made by the Racists you'd be right.

Are you missing the good old days, Geoff, when you could exploit Black Australians like the Vesteys did?

Studying Australian history, it is littered with examples of people like you, Geoff.  You claim to have the best interests of Australians at heart but when one examines exactly what you're proposing your views are found to feature Racism, Xenophobia, Islamophobia, Sexism and of course just outright hatred of your fellow Australians and anybody who seeks to become an Australian at their core.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You keep shifting the OP & the notions proposed by the likes of Pascoe & Abrahams further & further toward present day.


Being a twisty shyte seems to be your forte.



yes lying has always been bwian's forte.
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Reply #320 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:55pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 4:07pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Still unable to use the quote function, Geoff.  Get back to me once you've worked it out.    Roll Eyes


More pedantics Roll Eyes

It was easy as to understand & didn't require quotes.

thank you Wink
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why is it so stupid FD- the idigenous pp used fire to tame and control everything from bushfires to their food supplies-but the racism is so thick and stupid it is blinding most of you - if we used indigenous rangers to do the one thing they know best- how to control the environment without destroying it- billions of dollars might be saved every year- you all need to go educate yourselves on this topic- it has been writen in academic texts for at least the last 20 years that indigenous ppls used agricuture a long time ago- but they wont release anything ppositive to the eduction system to teach in schools because that woud not serve the 200  yr old  narrative of the noble ( but very dumb) savage- cods gets it and you dont have to read far to find out a few facts- so why dont any of you go read- its there for even you to discover

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire-stick_farming#References
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Auggie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 6:09pm:
I agree that the Indigenous Peoples of Australia were a non-complex civilisation; but this doesn't mean that they were inferior.

They had a unique civilisation; they deserve respect, recognition and compassion from people.

End of story.


Yes fine sentiments.... & a unique culture they did have ....

Yet that doesn't need the addition of fanciful BS to paint a picture that is fictional.
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Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
why is it so stupid FD- the idigenous pp used fire to tame and control everything from bushfires to their food supplies-but the racism is so thick and stupid it is blinding most of you - if we used indigenous rangers to do the one thing they know best- how to control the environment without destroying it- billions of dollars might be saved every year- you all need to go educate yourselves on this topic- it has been writen in academic texts for at least the last 20 years that indigenous ppls used agriculture a long time ago- but they wont release anything positive to the eduction system to teach in schools because that would not serve the 200  yr old  narrative of the noble ( but very dumb) savage- cods gets it and you dont have to read far to find out a few facts- so why dont any of you go read- its there for even you to discover

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire-stick_farming#References

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Auggie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:31pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:29pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 6:09pm:
I agree that the Indigenous Peoples of Australia were a non-complex civilisation; but this doesn't mean that they were inferior.

They had a unique civilisation; they deserve respect, recognition and compassion from people.

End of story.

Depends what you mean by inferior.
A VW Bug is a car but could be considered inferior to a Bugatti Veyron.
A Spear is a handy weapon, bow and arrow handier, Rifle even handier, some would rightly consider a Spear inferior to a Rifle.
Plowing a field with a stick and plowing a field with a plowshare pulled by a horse, which one do you consider inferior?
The list goes on and on...  of course things are superior and inferior...  only fools think they are not. Roll Eyes


I'm talking about in terms of human decency and dignity. We made a mistake by thinking that they were 'inherently' inferior.

This is what I'm talking about

"WE" really? 
Another time and place for me Sunshine...  I wasn't involved.  I live in the now.
Unless you are a racist you don't look at people of different races as being inferior or superior.  I be a non-racist.
Got nothing to do with decency or dignity.
What do you mean by "inherently inferior"?  Are you racist? Roll Eyes
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why is it so stupid FD- the idigenous pp used fire to tame and control everything from bushfires to their food supplies-but the racism is so thick and stupid it is blinding most of you - if we used indigenous rangers to do the one thing they know best- how to control the environment without destroying it- billions of dollars might be saved every year- you all need to go educate yourselves on this topic- it has been writen in academic texts for at least the last 20 years that indigenous ppls used agricuture a long time ago- but they wont release anything ppositive to the eduction system to teach in schools because that woud not serve the 200  yr old  narrative of the noble ( but very dumb) savage- cods gets it and you dont have to read far to find out a few facts- so why dont any of you go read- its there for even you to discover

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire-stick_farming#References


Trotting out the racism card doesn't cut it Agnes ... it's done to death.

The Aboriginals pre-colonial culture was so that they could exist in a harsh land.

How they did it was a credit to them but it wasn't agriculture ... no matter what picture so called  feel good academics painted.

And if you go to many remote communities you will see just how well they look after their environment today.  Roll Eyes
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Gnads wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:54pm:
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Still unable to use the quote function, Geoff.  Get back to me once you've worked it out.    Roll Eyes


More pedantics Roll Eyes

It was easy as to understand & didn't require quotes.


The quote function exists for a purpose.  It makes it easier to read what is being said.  Geoff deliberately refuses to use it.   He needs to learn to conform to the accepted norm of debate.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #331 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:23pm
 
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Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:10pm:
you dont get it either- well well-a dying breed thankfully


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Reply #332 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:26pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:51pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
Brian are you afraid to even offer an opinion on the author's claim that burning grass to hunt roos is a type of farming? Why would you express support for something so stupid?

Why is it stupid FD?


Agnes ... using fire to flush out game making it easier to see them isn't farming.

It's a hunting technique.

That the grass reshoots green & attracts roos for a while until it's too high again ... isn't farming either.

Therein the suggestion that it is ...drawing a long bow ... in fact in this case - stupid.

you dont understand you need to read- cant you read gnads is that the problem- Flushing out game is as simplistic as you understand- i will post an excerpt and I hope you can read it
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Fire-stick farming was the practice of Indigenous Australians who regularly used fire to burn vegetation to facilitate hunting and to change the composition of plant and animal species in an area. Fire-stick farming had the long-term effect of turning dry forest into savannah, increasing the population of nonspecific grass-eating species like the kangaroo. One theory of the extinction of Australian megafauna implicates the ecological disturbance caused by fire-stick farming.[1]

In the resultant sclerophyll forests, fire-stick farming maintained an open canopy and allowed germination of understory plants necessary for increasing the carrying capacity of the local environment for browsing and grazing marsupials.

Aboriginal people may have been able to aim the burning of the scrub to avoid growing areas. There may have been a ritual taboo against burning certain areas of jungle.[2]

This type of farming directly increased the food supply for Aboriginal people by promoting the growth of bush potatoes and other edible ground-level plants.[3]

The term fire-stick farming was coined by Australian archaeologist Rhys Jones in 1969
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This is from the wiki link Gnads- written by white academics- you might want to go and read the whole article and others- there are many out there thweeitie  Kiss Dont thank agnes she just wants you stupids to think-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire-stick_farming#References
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Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
Brian are you afraid to even offer an opinion on the author's claim that burning grass to hunt roos is a type of farming? Why would you express support for something so stupid?

Why is it stupid FD?


Hunting kangaroos is not farming.
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Reply #335 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:39pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:36pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
Brian are you afraid to even offer an opinion on the author's claim that burning grass to hunt roos is a type of farming? Why would you express support for something so stupid?

Why is it stupid FD?


Hunting kangaroos is not farming.

you are most ignorant FD- go to the library with Gnads and dont forget your goggles SMH- very dissapointed with that ridiculous comment
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freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:36pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
Brian are you afraid to even offer an opinion on the author's claim that burning grass to hunt roos is a type of farming? Why would you express support for something so stupid?

Why is it stupid FD?


Hunting kangaroos is not farming.


Is herding sheep ~ farming, Effendi?
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Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:36pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
Brian are you afraid to even offer an opinion on the author's claim that burning grass to hunt roos is a type of farming? Why would you express support for something so stupid?

Why is it stupid FD?


Hunting kangaroos is not farming.

you are most ignorant FD- go to the library with Gnads and dont forget your goggles SMH- very dissapointed with that ridiculous comment

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Reply #338 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:46pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:40pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:36pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
Brian are you afraid to even offer an opinion on the author's claim that burning grass to hunt roos is a type of farming? Why would you express support for something so stupid?

Why is it stupid FD?


Hunting kangaroos is not farming.


Is herding sheep ~ farming, Effendi?


Do you have a point Aussie? Or is this just another stupid question session?
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Reply #340 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:56pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:46pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:40pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:36pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
Brian are you afraid to even offer an opinion on the author's claim that burning grass to hunt roos is a type of farming? Why would you express support for something so stupid?

Why is it stupid FD?


Hunting kangaroos is not farming.


Is herding sheep ~ farming, Effendi?


Do you have a point Aussie? Or is this just another stupid question session?


Well, your implication is that kangaroo farming doesn't indicate sophistication in a civilisation, but neither does sheep herding? So, do you have any other reasons to support your point?
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Fire-stick farming was the practice of Indigenous Australians who regularly used fire to burn vegetation to facilitate hunting and to change the composition of plant and animal species in an area. Fire-stick farming had the long-term effect of turning dry forest into savannah, increasing the population of nonspecific grass-eating species like the kangaroo. One theory of the extinction of Australian megafauna implicates the ecological disturbance caused by fire-stick farming.[1]

In the resultant sclerophyll forests, fire-stick farming maintained an open canopy and allowed germination of understory plants necessary for increasing the carrying capacity of the local environment for browsing and grazing marsupials.

Aboriginal people may have been able to aim the burning of the scrub to avoid growing areas. There may have been a ritual taboo against burning certain areas of jungle.[2]

This type of farming directly increased the food supply for Aboriginal people by promoting the growth of bush potatoes and other edible ground-level plants.[3]

The term fire-stick farming was coined by Australian archaeologist Rhys Jones in 1969
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This is from the wiki link Gnads- written by white academics- you might want to go and read the whole article and others- there are many out there thweeitie  Kiss Dont thank agnes she just wants you stupids to think-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire-stick_farming#References



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The highlighted would indicate a very sophistcated level of farming ( which is not exclusive to raising sheep btw) read that and let it sink in- regular farming is playschool compared to that -


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Is herding sheep ~ farming, Effendi?


There's a fine line but I'm not sure where to draw it. Can you herd kangaroos?
Neolithic Brits burnt the reeds beside the lakes they lived around to induce deer and other wildlife to come and browse there so they could "hunt" them more easily. It that farming or enhanced hunting?
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Aussie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:53pm:
Is herding sheep ~ farming, Effendi?


There's a fine line but I'm not sure where to draw it. Can you herd kangaroos?
Neolithic Brits burnt the reeds beside the lakes they lived around to induce deer and other wildlife to come and browse there so they could "hunt" them more easily. It that farming or enhanced hunting?

yes with FIRE- dogs 4whl drives etc- that doesnt take away from anything- there is no fine line
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Reply #344 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:12pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:46pm:
You keep shifting the OP & the notions proposed by the likes of Pascoe & Abrahams further & further toward present day.

Being a twisty shyte seems to be your forte.


I have "shifted" nothing, Gnads.  Your effort at bullying won't work.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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In yellowstone national park they used ecological methods of controling the environment by wolves- it s a fascinationg story and has been practiced by the Indian in the US for centuries- a triumph
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Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:11pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:07pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:53pm:
Is herding sheep ~ farming, Effendi?


There's a fine line but I'm not sure where to draw it. Can you herd kangaroos?
Neolithic Brits burnt the reeds beside the lakes they lived around to induce deer and other wildlife to come and browse there so they could "hunt" them more easily. It that farming or enhanced hunting?

yes with FIRE- dogs 4whl drives etc- that doesnt take away from anything- there is no fine line


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Oh.....so cute!

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It that farming or enhanced hunting?


The difference being?
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Oh.....so cute!

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It that farming or enhanced hunting?


The difference being?


farming
ˈfɑːmɪŋ/
noun
noun: farming
the activity or business of growing crops and raising livestock.
"land was enclosed for arable farming"
synonyms:      agriculture, cultivation, tilling, tillage, husbandry, land management, farm management; More
antonyms:      industry

hunting
ˈhʌntɪŋ/
noun
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the activity of hunting wild animals or game.
"they talked about going hunting"
synonyms:      blood sports, field sports, stalking, trapping, coursing, fox hunting, the chase; More
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Reply #349 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:21pm
 
One way or another, a sheep farmer corners his stock to feed them etc, and then herd them to shearing or slaughter.

The Abos used fire to achieve the same outcome.

We are talking about 'farming,' not 'hunting.'  I say the Abos 'farmed' just like a mutton farmer.....'farmed,' using different methods.

Farked if I can see the value in this esoteric crap, so I am out of it.
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Reply #350 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:21pm
 
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Aussie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:18pm:
Oh.....so cute!

Quote:
It that farming or enhanced hunting?


The difference being?


farming
ˈfɑːmɪŋ/
noun
noun: farming
the activity or business of growing crops and raising livestock.
"land was enclosed for arable farming"
synonyms:      agriculture, cultivation, tilling, tillage, husbandry, land management, farm management; More
antonyms:      industry

hunting
ˈhʌntɪŋ/
noun
1.
the activity of hunting wild animals or game.
"they talked about going hunting"
synonyms:      blood sports, field sports, stalking, trapping, coursing, fox hunting, the chase; More


Be careful not to miss any SUBTLE definitions within those words, Set.
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One way or another, a sheep farmer corners his stock to feed them etc, and then herd them to shearing or slaughter.

The Abos used fire to achieve the same outcome.

yes but using methods most modern day farmers dont or wont recognise- but if they had we wouldnt have the destroyed farming lands we have now and soil destroyed by chemicals- our streams and water ways are fked by the negligent modern farmer who was to arrogant to think he learn anything from a stupid abo
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Setanta wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:18pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:11pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:07pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:53pm:
Is herding sheep ~ farming, Effendi?


There's a fine line but I'm not sure where to draw it. Can you herd kangaroos?
Neolithic Brits burnt the reeds beside the lakes they lived around to induce deer and other wildlife to come and browse there so they could "hunt" them more easily. It that farming or enhanced hunting?

yes with FIRE- dogs 4whl drives etc- that doesnt take away from anything- there is no fine line


You have to be a bit more explicit in what you mean Agnes.



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Aussie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:21pm:
One way or another, a sheep farmer corners his stock to feed them etc, and then herd them to shearing or slaughter.

The Abos used fire to achieve the same outcome.

We are talking about 'farming,' not 'hunting.'  I say the Abos 'farmed' just like a mutton farmer.....'farmed,' using different methods.

Farked if I can see the value in this esoteric crap, so I am out of it.


No, they burnt the vegetation to encourage new growth that would bring animals to graze on it. They did not her and even today neither thay or we can herd kangaroos.

Making it so an animal is easier to hunt by providing it food and making it easier to see is still hunting, not herding or animal husbandry. We have words that define things, let's use them as they are intended. I don't really care about what seems to me like a little battle between those you consider racists and those you don't, those on your side and those not. I don't give a rat's arse. We have words that define things, lets stick with what we can all agree on, that's why we define what words mean.

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Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:27pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:18pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:11pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:07pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:53pm:
Is herding sheep ~ farming, Effendi?


There's a fine line but I'm not sure where to draw it. Can you herd kangaroos?
Neolithic Brits burnt the reeds beside the lakes they lived around to induce deer and other wildlife to come and browse there so they could "hunt" them more easily. It that farming or enhanced hunting?

yes with FIRE- dogs 4whl drives etc- that doesnt take away from anything- there is no fine line


You have to be a bit more explicit in what you mean Agnes.



FD has to answer his own question


There was no FD in our exchange. I'm asking you to be more explicit in what you meant by Quote:
yes with FIRE- dogs 4whl drives etc- that doesnt take away from anything- there is no fine line


If for example by dogs, I hunt pig with them, does that make it farming? If I run over a roo with a 4WD? Your whole point is undefined.
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Setanta wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:21pm:
One way or another, a sheep farmer corners his stock to feed them etc, and then herd them to shearing or slaughter.

The Abos used fire to achieve the same outcome.

We are talking about 'farming,' not 'hunting.'  I say the Abos 'farmed' just like a mutton farmer.....'farmed,' using different methods.

Farked if I can see the value in this esoteric crap, so I am out of it.


No, they burnt the vegetation to encourage new growth that would bring animals to graze on it. They did not her and even today neither thay or we can herd kangaroos.

Making it so an animal is easier to hunt by providing it food and making it easier to see is still hunting, not herding or animal husbandry. We have words that define things, let's use them as they are intended. I don't really care about what seems to me like a little battle between those you consider racists and those you don't, those on your side and those not. I don't give a rat's arse. We have words that define things, lets stick with what we can all agree on, that's why we define what words mean.



More cute stuff.  Your point is wasted on me and better addressed to FD who seems to want to hang his hat on words.
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Aussie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:21pm:
One way or another, a sheep farmer corners his stock to feed them etc, and then herd them to shearing or slaughter.

The Abos used fire to achieve the same outcome.

We are talking about 'farming,' not 'hunting.'  I say the Abos 'farmed' just like a mutton farmer.....'farmed,' using different methods.

Farked if I can see the value in this esoteric crap, so I am out of it.


No, they burnt the vegetation to encourage new growth that would bring animals to graze on it. They did not her and even today neither thay or we can herd kangaroos.

Making it so an animal is easier to hunt by providing it food and making it easier to see is still hunting, not herding or animal husbandry. We have words that define things, let's use them as they are intended. I don't really care about what seems to me like a little battle between those you consider racists and those you don't, those on your side and those not. I don't give a rat's arse. We have words that define things, lets stick with what we can all agree on, that's why we define what words mean.



More cute stuff.  Your point is wasted on me and better addressed to FD who seems to want to hang his hat on words.


Nothing "cute" about it. I'm trying to be correct in the use of words. I don't care about what you are trying to show each other up on.

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From different spectrums, aquaculture, plaiting mussels onto ropes, foraging, picking mussels off rocks. 

Beekeeping, removing honey from hives, concentrating hives, constructing hives.  Foraging, finding a hive and knocking it off the branch or getting it from an existing hollow found naturally.

Animal husbandry or farming, looking after and caring for animals, breeding to improve the desirable characterisitics. Hunting, not looking after or caring for them, no input into breeding.

It probably all hinges on degrees of human input, the more input, the more like farming and controlling the environment and protecting and improving your food resources.

Lesser input, less like farming, not as controlling the environment, less or no protection or improving your food resources.

Draw the lines where you like.  This whole argument is stupid.

Aboriginal society and methods are not as advanced as some are trying to project, but nor are aboriginals stupid or primitive. They are a product of the environment.

And forget this noble savage bit that Brian likes to paint as an apologism for his self loathing luvvie guilt tripping for sharing white conquerer guilt.
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Reply #359 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:48pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:33pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:27pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:18pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:11pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:07pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:53pm:
Is herding sheep ~ farming, Effendi?


There's a fine line but I'm not sure where to draw it. Can you herd kangaroos?
Neolithic Brits burnt the reeds beside the lakes they lived around to induce deer and other wildlife to come and browse there so they could "hunt" them more easily. It that farming or enhanced hunting?

yes with FIRE- dogs 4whl drives etc- that doesnt take away from anything- there is no fine line


You have to be a bit more explicit in what you mean Agnes.



FD has to answer his own question


There was no FD in our exchange. I'm asking you to be more explicit in what you meant by Quote:
yes with FIRE- dogs 4whl drives etc- that doesnt take away from anything- there is no fine line


If for example by dogs, I hunt pig with them, does that make it farming? If I run over a roo with a 4WD? Your whole point is undefined.

  I dont have the energy for tricky word play- agree to disagree I say- FD is a piker- he was losing and now you are trying to argue his point
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Reply #360 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:54pm
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:48pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:33pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:27pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:18pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:11pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:07pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:53pm:
Is herding sheep ~ farming, Effendi?


There's a fine line but I'm not sure where to draw it. Can you herd kangaroos?
Neolithic Brits burnt the reeds beside the lakes they lived around to induce deer and other wildlife to come and browse there so they could "hunt" them more easily. It that farming or enhanced hunting?

yes with FIRE- dogs 4whl drives etc- that doesnt take away from anything- there is no fine line


You have to be a bit more explicit in what you mean Agnes.



FD has to answer his own question


There was no FD in our exchange. I'm asking you to be more explicit in what you meant by Quote:
yes with FIRE- dogs 4whl drives etc- that doesnt take away from anything- there is no fine line


If for example by dogs, I hunt pig with them, does that make it farming? If I run over a roo with a 4WD? Your whole point is undefined.

  I dont have the energy for tricky word play- agree to disagree I say- FD is a piker- he was losing and now you are trying to argue his point


I'm not doing that at all Agnes. I came into this conversation late and saw both sides trying to stretch the fact to meet their goals. All I am doing is trying to match well recognised words that have definite meanings to what the Aboriginals did. We have evidence from other parts of the word that this was not a one off thing. It was done in Britain, what I am trying to establish is, is it really farming or hunting with the enhancements of improving the ecosystem to encourage game. I would not say those in Britain were "farming" when they did the same.
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Reply #361 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 10:03pm
 
Here you go Agnes,


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Archaeologists working on Stone Age remains at a site in North Yorkshire say it contains Britain's earliest surviving house.
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The site was inhabited by hunter gatherers from just after the last ice age, for a period of between 200 and 500 years.

According to the team, they migrated from an area now under the North Sea, hunting animals including deer, wild boar, elk and enormous wild cattle known as auroch.

Though they did not cultivate the land, the inhabitants did burn part of the landscape to encourage animals to eat shoots and they also kept domesticated dogs.


http://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/stone-age-remains-are-britains-earlies...


There are many more I could show you from stone age Britain like that.

Try https://www.archaeology.co.uk/articles/return-to-star-carr-discovering-the-true-...
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Reply #362 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 10:31pm
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:06pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:33pm:
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Fire-stick farming was the practice of Indigenous Australians who regularly used fire to burn vegetation to facilitate hunting and to change the composition of plant and animal species in an area. Fire-stick farming had the long-term effect of turning dry forest into savannah, increasing the population of nonspecific grass-eating species like the kangaroo. One theory of the extinction of Australian megafauna implicates the ecological disturbance caused by fire-stick farming.[1]

In the resultant sclerophyll forests, fire-stick farming maintained an open canopy and allowed germination of understory plants necessary for increasing the carrying capacity of the local environment for browsing and grazing marsupials.

Aboriginal people may have been able to aim the burning of the scrub to avoid growing areas. There may have been a ritual taboo against burning certain areas of jungle.[2]

This type of farming directly increased the food supply for Aboriginal people by promoting the growth of bush potatoes and other edible ground-level plants.[3]

The term fire-stick farming was coined by Australian archaeologist Rhys Jones in 1969
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This is from the wiki link Gnads- written by white academics- you might want to go and read the whole article and others- there are many out there thweeitie  Kiss Dont thank agnes she just wants you stupids to think-

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The highlighted would indicate a very sophistcated level of farming ( which is not exclusive to raising sheep btw) read that and let it sink in- regular farming is playschool compared to that -


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So hunting roos is not just farming, it is now a "very sophisticated" level of farming?
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Reply #363 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 10:40pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 10:31pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:06pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:33pm:
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Fire-stick farming was the practice of Indigenous Australians who regularly used fire to burn vegetation to facilitate hunting and to change the composition of plant and animal species in an area. Fire-stick farming had the long-term effect of turning dry forest into savannah, increasing the population of nonspecific grass-eating species like the kangaroo. One theory of the extinction of Australian megafauna implicates the ecological disturbance caused by fire-stick farming.[1]

In the resultant sclerophyll forests, fire-stick farming maintained an open canopy and allowed germination of understory plants necessary for increasing the carrying capacity of the local environment for browsing and grazing marsupials.

Aboriginal people may have been able to aim the burning of the scrub to avoid growing areas. There may have been a ritual taboo against burning certain areas of jungle.[2]

This type of farming directly increased the food supply for Aboriginal people by promoting the growth of bush potatoes and other edible ground-level plants.[3]

The term fire-stick farming was coined by Australian archaeologist Rhys Jones in 1969
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This is from the wiki link Gnads- written by white academics- you might want to go and read the whole article and others- there are many out there thweeitie  Kiss Dont thank agnes she just wants you stupids to think-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire-stick_farming#References



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The highlighted would indicate a very sophistcated level of farming ( which is not exclusive to raising sheep btw) read that and let it sink in- regular farming is playschool compared to that -


Im out nite


So hunting roos is not just farming, it is now a "very sophisticated" level of farming?


I just see it as people learning through experience that animals like tender shoots as they observed anywhere where fire brought forth new tender grass for their prey, then replicating it.

I'm not sure sophisticated would be the right word, observant might be closer to the truth. Man's pattern matching brain and forethought is a marvel.

edit: Sure, it's not evident here most of the time. Tribalism rules! I'm sure it's why we(mankind) have mental problems, pattern matching gone mad. Seeing patterns where there really are none. Seeing messages or omens in the way car wheels move or other stuff most people ignore. The way animals behave, the way antibiotics or throat lozenges kill viruses. I believe that is the price we pay as a whole for the gift we have as a species.
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Reply #364 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 11:14pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:20pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 4:07pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Still unable to use the quote function, Geoff.  Get back to me once you've worked it out.    Roll Eyes


More pedantics Roll Eyes

It was easy as to understand & didn't require quotes.


The quote function exists for a purpose.  It makes it easier to read what is being said.  Geoff deliberately refuses to use it.   He needs to learn to conform to the accepted norm of debate.   Roll Eyes

Oh look I used the quote function for the umpteenth time on this site...
I know you know I know how to use it bwian, so stop the lies and poor excuses ok.
I chose not to use it.
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Reply #365 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 11:15pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:46pm:
You keep shifting the OP & the notions proposed by the likes of Pascoe & Abrahams further & further toward present day.

Being a twisty shyte seems to be your forte.


I have "shifted" nothing, Gnads.  Your effort at bullying won't work.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

Yes you did bwian you are being your normal disingenuous self...
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Setanta wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 11:23pm:
Good to see the thread back on track Grendel. Roll Eyes

Cant let bwian get away with his dishonest posts SET.
Maybe you should delete them.
But hey apparently he is allowed to post crap about people here with impunity.
Or are you suggesting I'm not simply replying to his posts?

BTW both Gnads and I pointed out bwians obfuscation and dishonesty re the actual topic
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Reply #368 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 11:30pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 11:27pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 11:23pm:
Good to see the thread back on track Grendel. Roll Eyes

Cant let bwian get away with his dishonest posts SET.
Maybe you should delete them.
But hey apparently he is allowed to post crap about people here with impunity.
Or are you suggesting I'm not simply replying to his posts?


I would suggest you are not "simply" replying to his posts. He annoys the shyte out of me but I can tell when it's just not worth it and as for ad hom, you are both as bad as each other.
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Reply #369 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 7:47am
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:17pm:


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One theory of the extinction of Australian megafauna implicates the ecological disturbance caused by fire-stick farming


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The term fire-stick farming was coined by Australian archaeologist Rhys Jones in 1969.


Coining phrases & making claims doesn't make it so.

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Some researchers, like David Horton from the Australian Institute of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Studies, suggest, "Aboriginal use of fire had little impact on the environment


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Tim Flanery - Clearly, Aboriginal people had some effect, but the significance of that effect is far from clear.


I'd suggest you read what you post Agnes.
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Reply #370 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 7:54am
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:17pm:


Your 2nd link - The Conversation - subtitled - Academic rigour Journalistic flair.  Flair is the key word there.  Roll Eyes

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grass burnt in mosaics to reduce fuel and to bring on green pick to lure grazing animals.


Anything else is pure speculation.
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Reply #371 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 8:01am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:20pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 4:07pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Still unable to use the quote function, Geoff.  Get back to me once you've worked it out.    Roll Eyes


More pedantics Roll Eyes

It was easy as to understand & didn't require quotes.


The quote function exists for a purpose.  It makes it easier to read what is being said.  Geoff deliberately refuses to use it.   He needs to learn to conform to the accepted norm of debate.   Roll Eyes


Since when do you set the rules?  Grin

The "norm" of debate"?

You certainly are a "Norm " alright.
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Reply #372 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 8:02am
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:18pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:10pm:
you dont get it either- well well-a dying breed thankfully


Not surprising, really, considering that they have invested so much time and effort in trying to refute the documentary record.    Roll Eyes

what are they so scared of historical fact I wonder


That's just it Agnes it's not "fact" ... it's speculative theory.
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Aussie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:40pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:36pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
Brian are you afraid to even offer an opinion on the author's claim that burning grass to hunt roos is a type of farming? Why would you express support for something so stupid?

Why is it stupid FD?


Hunting kangaroos is not farming.


Is herding sheep ~ farming, Effendi?


Yes the sheep are confined ... their reproduction is arranged/controlled & their husbandry managed. They are not just killed for consumption. The use of by-products is much more diverse.
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Reply #374 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 8:10am
 
Auggie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:56pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:46pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:40pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:36pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
Brian are you afraid to even offer an opinion on the author's claim that burning grass to hunt roos is a type of farming? Why would you express support for something so stupid?

Why is it stupid FD?


Hunting kangaroos is not farming.


Is herding sheep ~ farming, Effendi?


Do you have a point Aussie? Or is this just another stupid question session?


Well, your implication is that kangaroo farming doesn't indicate sophistication in a civilisation, but neither does sheep herding? So, do you have any other reasons to support your point?


It's wool growing & lamb & mutton production in an enclosed environment.

They are not ranged/herded in the sense you imply.
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Reply #375 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 8:12am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:46pm:
You keep shifting the OP & the notions proposed by the likes of Pascoe & Abrahams further & further toward present day.

Being a twisty shyte seems to be your forte.


I have "shifted" nothing, Gnads.  Your effort at bullying won't work.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


So now you play the bullying card?

Pathetic.
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Reply #377 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 8:15am
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:16pm:
In yellowstone national park they used ecological methods of controling the environment by wolves- it s a fascinationg story and has been practiced by the Indian in the US for centuries- a triumph


So Indians caught wolves & relocated them to areas where there was no apex predators to control herd animal numbers?

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Reply #378 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 8:20am
 
Secret Wars wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:46pm:
From different spectrums, aquaculture, plaiting mussels onto ropes, foraging, picking mussels off rocks. 

Beekeeping, removing honey from hives, concentrating hives, constructing hives.  Foraging, finding a hive and knocking it off the branch or getting it from an existing hollow found naturally.

Animal husbandry or farming, looking after and caring for animals, breeding to improve the desirable characterisitics. Hunting, not looking after or caring for them, no input into breeding.

It probably all hinges on degrees of human input, the more input, the more like farming and controlling the environment and protecting and improving your food resources.

Lesser input, less like farming, not as controlling the environment, less or no protection or improving your food resources.

Draw the lines where you like.  This whole argument is stupid.

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Aboriginal society and methods are not as advanced as some are trying to project, but nor are aboriginals stupid or primitive. They are a product of the environment.

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And forget this noble savage bit that Brian likes to paint as an apologism for his self loathing luvvie guilt tripping for sharing white conquerer guilt
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2 good summations .... especially the latter.
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Reply #379 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 8:21am
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 8:15am:
Agnes wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:16pm:
In yellowstone national park they used ecological methods of controling the environment by wolves- it s a fascinationg story and has been practiced by the Indian in the US for centuries- a triumph


So Indians caught wolves & relocated them to areas where there was no apex predators to control herd animal numbers?

Grin

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Reply #380 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 8:30am
 
To Freediver

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.


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Reply #381 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 8:33am
 
That's a poor response & no excuse.

The re-introduction of wolves to Yellowstone Park was done after the re-introduction of large herd animals i.e. buffalo/bison & the return in numbers of Elk.

They were reintroduced to control numbers & add a balance after being persecuted & shot out .... just like the buffalo had been.

It was common sense to reintroduce them .... even though ranchers outside the park are not happy about it.

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Reply #382 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 8:41am
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 8:33am:
That's a poor response & no excuse.

The re-introduction of wolves to Yellowstone Park was done after the re-introduction of large herd animals i.e. buffalo/bison & the return in numbers of Elk.

They were reintroduced to control numbers & add a balance after being persecuted & shot out .... just like the buffalo had been.

It was common sense to reintroduce them .... even though ranchers outside the park are not happy about it.

dont waste my time- read a book mate

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That's a poor response & no excuse.

You're wasting mine.
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Setanta wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 11:30pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 11:27pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 11:23pm:
Good to see the thread back on track Grendel. Roll Eyes

Cant let bwian get away with his dishonest posts SET.
Maybe you should delete them.
But hey apparently he is allowed to post crap about people here with impunity.
Or are you suggesting I'm not simply replying to his posts?


I would suggest you are not "simply" replying to his posts. He annoys the shyte out of me but I can tell when it's just not worth it and as for ad hom, you are both as bad as each other.

Ah but I am and now I'm wasting my time replying to your off topic shyte. Roll Eyes
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Reply #385 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 9:37am
 
Hunting is not Farming.
Trapping is not Farming.
Luring is not Farming.
Burning is not Farming.

Farming involves a....  wait for it FARM.

A FARM is ....

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1. A tract of land cultivated for the purpose of agricultural production.
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a. A tract of land devoted to the raising and breeding of domestic animals.
b. An area of water devoted to the raising, breeding, or production of a specific aquatic animal: a trout farm; an oyster farm.
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a. A facility for the generation of energy by converting it from a particular source, usually by means of multiple electric generators: a wind farm.
b. A place where a group of similar devices or storage containers are set up: a tank farm; a server farm.

v. farmed, farm·ing, farms
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1. To cultivate or produce a crop on (land).
2. To cultivate, breed, or raise (plants or animals).


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From the OP...
(talk about being on topic) Roll Eyes

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A RADICALLY different version of Australia’s history to what we are taught at school has been put forward by a historian — who believes it changes the entire concept of Australia as a country and who we really are.

We are taught Australia’s first people were simplistic hunter-gatherers who foraged for plants and randomly hunted kangaroos.

We are taught when Europeans landed, the indigenous people who first roamed the land were a disparate group of nomadic tribes, who never built permanent homes to shelter themselves.

So history...  he is talking about times prior to European Colonisation and observations at the times of the first fleet.

bwian disingenously talks about Wave Hill 1966, about Aboriginal Stockman that could only have come about from post colonisation and with the introduction of horses and cattle and European style farming and agriculture, where skills were taught to the Aborigines, not the other way around. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #387 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 11:06am
 
i'm talking methods if agriculture- not farming-but none of you seem to comprehend that- indigenous agriculture was superior to "farming" in many ways- i am wasting my time talking to half wits-dwmt- teaching aborigines at wave hill- wtf- they are masters of the envirinment- insulting and absurd- bugger off
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Setanta wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:21pm:
One way or another, a sheep farmer corners his stock to feed them etc, and then herd them to shearing or slaughter.

The Abos used fire to achieve the same outcome.

We are talking about 'farming,' not 'hunting.'  I say the Abos 'farmed' just like a mutton farmer.....'farmed,' using different methods.

Farked if I can see the value in this esoteric crap, so I am out of it.


No, they burnt the vegetation to encourage new growth that would bring animals to graze on it. They did not her and even today neither thay or we can herd kangaroo


as I see it the indigenous way required forethought and planning- we are talking about agriculture NOT farming   (( FD tried to manipuate the story and shift goal posts)) - you anf he changed the story along with FD who tried to make it about farming- abs had a different ( far more suoerior way)) way but even academics conceded it was indeed agricultural practices  now either you are lying- or they are all lying- you cant have it both ways- my money is on the side of science and researchers- they also farmed fish and made flour
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Reply #389 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 12:29pm
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 11:06am:
i'm talking methods if agriculture- not farming-but none of you seem to comprehend that- indigenous agriculture was superior to "farming" in many ways- i am wasting my time talking to half wits-dwmt- teaching aborigines at wave hill- wtf- they are masters of the envirinment- insulting and absurd- bugger off


Wow - how was Indigenous agriculture superior to 'farming'?
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Academics said it, eh?

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Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 11:06am:
i'm talking methods if agriculture- not farming-but none of you seem to comprehend that- indigenous agriculture was superior to "farming" in many ways- i am wasting my time talking to half wits-dwmt- teaching aborigines at wave hill- wtf- they are masters of the envirinment- insulting and absurd- bugger off


So now you have decided that hunting roos is not farming, it is "agriculture"?
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Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 11:06am:
i'm talking methods if agriculture- not farming-but none of you seem to comprehend that- indigenous agriculture was superior to "farming" in many ways- i am wasting my time talking to half wits-dwmt- teaching aborigines at wave hill- wtf- they are masters of the envirinment- insulting and absurd- bugger off


So now you have decided that hunting roos is not farming, it is "agriculture"?

this was and is about agriculture not farming- that was a concept you introduced but you didnt like because you could make an arguement to serve your own purposes- explain yourself -   I never said you could farm a roo- that was you- I was speaking agriculturally ( because I dont believe in changing the course of a thread midway to suit my agenda- nice try though)

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I am sick of this thread- because there is no argueing with the ignorant- have a nice time argueing with each other-
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Academics said it, eh?

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yeah they did-  go read Grappler- I have studied this topic
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i'm talking methods if agriculture- not farming-but none of you seem to comprehend that- indigenous agriculture was superior to "farming" in many ways- i am wasting my time talking to half wits-dwmt- teaching aborigines at wave hill- wtf- they are masters of the envirinment- insulting and absurd- bugger off

If you are clueless about what people are saying and haven't read the posts and or understood them then perhaps you shouldn't mention them or comment on them. Roll Eyes
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I am sick of this thread- because there is no argueing with the ignorant- have a nice time argueing with each other-


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    the science, art, or occupation concerned with cultivating land, raising crops, and feeding, breeding, and raising livestock; farming.
    the production of crops, livestock, or poultry.


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Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 11:06am:
i'm talking methods if agriculture- not farming-but none of you seem to comprehend that- indigenous agriculture was superior to "farming" in many ways- i am wasting my time talking to half wits-dwmt- teaching aborigines at wave hill- wtf- they are masters of the envirinment- insulting and absurd- bugger off


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Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 11:35am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 9:21pm:
One way or another, a sheep farmer corners his stock to feed them etc, and then herd them to shearing or slaughter.

The Abos used fire to achieve the same outcome.

We are talking about 'farming,' not 'hunting.'  I say the Abos 'farmed' just like a mutton farmer.....'farmed,' using different methods.

Farked if I can see the value in this esoteric crap, so I am out of it.


No, they burnt the vegetation to encourage new growth that would bring animals to graze on it. They did not her and even today neither thay or we can herd kangaroo


as I see it the indigenous way required forethought and planning- we are talking about agriculture NOT farming   (( FD tried to manipuate the story and shift goal posts)) - you anf he changed the story along with FD who tried to make it about farming- abs had a different ( far more suoerior way)) way but even academics conceded it was indeed agricultural practices  now either you are lying- or they are all lying- you cant have it both ways- my money is on the side of science and researchers- they also farmed fish and made flour


Proves your delusion ... they trapped fish ... they ground native grass seeds.

They were never "farmers" or "agriculturalists".

They were a people who learned how to survive in a harsh in environment.

You or any others trying to put a fanciful twist on that is just stupid.

There we go now full circle back to FDs question about asking stupid questions .....

then expanding it to stupid theory that you have swallowed hook line & sinker.

I have to ask myself am I wasting my time?  Roll Eyes

Maybe it explains why you don't get on with another board member ... you're both peas in a pod.
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Reply #399 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 6:07pm
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 11:06am:
i'm talking methods if agriculture- not farming-but none of you seem to comprehend that- indigenous agriculture was superior to "farming" in many ways- i am wasting my time talking to half wits-dwmt- teaching aborigines at wave hill- wtf- they are masters of the envirinment- insulting and absurd- bugger off


There was no agriculture ...what's insulting & absurd is your belief in non proven theory.
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Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 2:01pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 11:06am:
i'm talking methods if agriculture- not farming-but none of you seem to comprehend that- indigenous agriculture was superior to "farming" in many ways- i am wasting my time talking to half wits-dwmt- teaching aborigines at wave hill- wtf- they are masters of the envirinment- insulting and absurd- bugger off


So now you have decided that hunting roos is not farming, it is "agriculture"?

this was and is about agriculture not farming- that was a concept you introduced but you didnt like because you could make an arguement to serve your own purposes- explain yourself -   I never said you could farm a roo- that was you- I was speaking agriculturally ( because I dont believe in changing the course of a thread midway to suit my agenda- nice try though)

On your period FD- coming or going- arthur or martha- do carry on though



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I am sick of this thread- because there is no argueing with the ignorant- have a nice time argueing with each other-


Typical ... bitten off more than you can chew ... now quitting.

Sound just like the self absorbed now generation.  Roll Eyes
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Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 2:01pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 11:06am:
i'm talking methods if agriculture- not farming-but none of you seem to comprehend that- indigenous agriculture was superior to "farming" in many ways- i am wasting my time talking to half wits-dwmt- teaching aborigines at wave hill- wtf- they are masters of the envirinment- insulting and absurd- bugger off


So now you have decided that hunting roos is not farming, it is "agriculture"?

this was and is about agriculture not farming- that was a concept you introduced but you didnt like because you could make an arguement to serve your own purposes- explain yourself -   I never said you could farm a roo- that was you- I was speaking agriculturally ( because I dont believe in changing the course of a thread midway to suit my agenda- nice try though)

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Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 2:13pm:
I am sick of this thread- because there is no argueing with the ignorant- have a nice time argueing with each other-


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    the science, art, or occupation concerned with cultivating land, raising crops, and feeding, breeding, and raising livestock; farming.
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Hunting is not Farming.
Trapping is not Farming.
Luring is not Farming.
Burning is not Farming.

Farming involves a....  wait for it FARM.

A FARM is ....

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1. A tract of land cultivated for the purpose of agricultural production.
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a. A tract of land devoted to the raising and breeding of domestic animals.
b. An area of water devoted to the raising, breeding, or production of a specific aquatic animal: a trout farm; an oyster farm.
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a. A facility for the generation of energy by converting it from a particular source, usually by means of multiple electric generators: a wind farm.
b. A place where a group of similar devices or storage containers are set up: a tank farm; a server farm.

v. farmed, farm·ing, farms
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1. To cultivate or produce a crop on (land).
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Reply #405 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 8:22pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 5:14pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 11:06am:
i'm talking methods if agriculture- not farming-but none of you seem to comprehend that- indigenous agriculture was superior to "farming" in many ways- i am wasting my time talking to half wits-dwmt- teaching aborigines at wave hill- wtf- they are masters of the envirinment- insulting and absurd- bugger off

If you are clueless about what people are saying and haven't read the posts and or understood them then perhaps you shouldn't mention them or comment on them. Roll Eyes

  I understand the topic all too well- but I am surrounded by fricking  idiots and you are out in force today- but then what do I excpect I am on OP- well done boys- you outsmarted yourselves again-  you only ever argue to cement one outcome-   I have seen it too many times here-
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Reply #406 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 8:49pm
 
and this is the reason i dont get involved in these topics- the thread bullies who gang up with a one eyed agenda- so now you can say i am wrong i dont care - your ignorance wont change facts- your ignorance speaks for you- not me
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Reply #407 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 9:10pm
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 8:22pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 5:14pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 11:06am:
i'm talking methods if agriculture- not farming-but none of you seem to comprehend that- indigenous agriculture was superior to "farming" in many ways- i am wasting my time talking to half wits-dwmt- teaching aborigines at wave hill- wtf- they are masters of the envirinment- insulting and absurd- bugger off

If you are clueless about what people are saying and haven't read the posts and or understood them then perhaps you shouldn't mention them or comment on them. Roll Eyes

  I understand the topic all too well- but I am surrounded by fricking  idiots and you are out in force today- but then what do I excpect I am on OP- well done boys- you outsmarted yourselves again-  you only ever argue to cement one outcome-   I have seen it too many times here-

Well the proof is in the pudding...  and you clearly had no idea re wave hill etc.
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Reply #408 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 9:11pm
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 8:22pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 5:14pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 11:06am:
i'm talking methods if agriculture- not farming-but none of you seem to comprehend that- indigenous agriculture was superior to "farming" in many ways- i am wasting my time talking to half wits-dwmt- teaching aborigines at wave hill- wtf- they are masters of the envirinment- insulting and absurd- bugger off

If you are clueless about what people are saying and haven't read the posts and or understood them then perhaps you shouldn't mention them or comment on them. Roll Eyes

  I understand the topic all too well- but I am surrounded by fricking  idiots and you are out in force today- but then what do I excpect I am on OP- well done boys- you outsmarted yourselves again-  you only ever argue to cement one outcome-   I have seen it too many times here-


What's so bad about being hunter/gatherer? Why do you have to twist what they did into farming/agriculture? We don't call what they did farming or agriculture anywhere else in the world it has happened, why do we have to make an exception for aboriginals? You're not a SJW as far as I've seen, why try to redefine words to fit what you want them to mean?

edit: If the world were to take advantage of their superior "farming" techniques Agnes, it would require the removal of about 7.5 billion from the world's population.
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Reply #409 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 8:11am
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 5:56pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 11:06am:
i'm talking methods if agriculture- not farming-but none of you seem to comprehend that- indigenous agriculture was superior to "farming" in many ways- i am wasting my time talking to half wits-dwmt- teaching aborigines at wave hill- wtf- they are masters of the envirinment- insulting and absurd- bugger off


You are deluded.


I am deluded huh - you never did get over the fact I once said you are Aussie did you? I doubt you have ever read a book aussie-

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Grendel wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 9:10pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 8:22pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 5:14pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 11:06am:
i'm talking methods if agriculture- not farming-but none of you seem to comprehend that- indigenous agriculture was superior to "farming" in many ways- i am wasting my time talking to half wits-dwmt- teaching aborigines at wave hill- wtf- they are masters of the envirinment- insulting and absurd- bugger off

If you are clueless about what people are saying and haven't read the posts and or understood them then perhaps you shouldn't mention them or comment on them. Roll Eyes

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Well the proof is in the pudding...  and you clearly had no idea re wave hill etc.

Well dimwitty/Binky none of that diatribe had anything to do with the topic - so why would i ackknowledge it oh witless one?
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Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 11:06am:
i'm talking methods if agriculture- not farming-but none of you seem to comprehend that- indigenous agriculture was superior to "farming" in many ways- i am wasting my time talking to half wits-dwmt- teaching aborigines at wave hill- wtf- they are masters of the envirinment- insulting and absurd- bugger off


So now you have decided that hunting roos is not farming, it is "agriculture"?

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Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 2:13pm:
I am sick of this thread- because there is no argueing with the ignorant- have a nice time argueing with each other-


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Reply #413 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 9:15am
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 8:16am:
freediver wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 11:06am:
i'm talking methods if agriculture- not farming-but none of you seem to comprehend that- indigenous agriculture was superior to "farming" in many ways- i am wasting my time talking to half wits-dwmt- teaching aborigines at wave hill- wtf- they are masters of the envirinment- insulting and absurd- bugger off


So now you have decided that hunting roos is not farming, it is "agriculture"?

you answer questions with questions- not honest---------next


Do you know what the difference is between agriculture and farming?
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Reply #414 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 9:16am
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 9:11pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 8:22pm:
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Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 11:06am:
i'm talking methods if agriculture- not farming-but none of you seem to comprehend that- indigenous agriculture was superior to "farming" in many ways- i am wasting my time talking to half wits-dwmt- teaching aborigines at wave hill- wtf- they are masters of the envirinment- insulting and absurd- bugger off

If you are clueless about what people are saying and haven't read the posts and or understood them then perhaps you shouldn't mention them or comment on them. Roll Eyes

  I understand the topic all too well- but I am surrounded by fricking  idiots and you are out in force today- but then what do I excpect I am on OP- well done boys- you outsmarted yourselves again-  you only ever argue to cement one outcome-   I have seen it too many times here-


What's so bad about being hunter/gatherer? Why do you have to twist what they did into farming/agriculture? We don't call what they did farming or agriculture anywhere else in the world it has happened, why do we have to make an exception for aboriginals? You're not a SJW as far as I've seen, why try to redefine words to fit what you want them to mean?

edit: If the world were to take advantage of their superior "farming" techniques Agnes, it would require the removal of about 7.5 billion from the world's population.

I am not trying to "redefine" words Set - I am parahrasing from academic researchers ( experts in their field) -I respect your opinion because it is clear you do actually read- but most of the callow youth here just spout adhoc bs- and then I get bored and start taking the piss- I am out of this topic again unless someone posts somethig so stupid I have to come back here- dont make me come back there you lot!!!!!
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Reply #415 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 9:23am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 9:15am:
Agnes wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 8:16am:
freediver wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 11:06am:
i'm talking methods if agriculture- not farming-but none of you seem to comprehend that- indigenous agriculture was superior to "farming" in many ways- i am wasting my time talking to half wits-dwmt- teaching aborigines at wave hill- wtf- they are masters of the envirinment- insulting and absurd- bugger off


So now you have decided that hunting roos is not farming, it is "agriculture"?

you answer questions with questions- not honest---------next


Do you know what the difference is between agriculture and farming?

if you dont know FD I suggest you read - because its clear you dont understand this topic- you dont know the answer to your own question- here is a book on environmental and social anthropolgy- read it- reading isnt painful- 2017
https://www.angusrobertson.com.au/books/indigenous-environmental-knowledge-john-...

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This book examines comprehensively for the first time, the scope and accuracy of indigenous environmental knowledge. It shows that in some spheres, including agriculture, house design, fuel and water manipulation, the high reputation of local observers is well deserved and often sufficiently insightful to warrant wider imitation. However it also reveals that in certain matters, notably some aspects of health care and wild-species population management, local knowledge systems are conspicuously unsound. Not all the difficulties are of the communities own making, some stem from external factors outside their control. However in either case, remedial measures can be suggested and this book describes, especially for the benefit of practitioners, what steps might be taken in rural communities to improve the quality of life. The possibility of useful transfers of information from local settings to Western ones is not ignored and forms the subject of the book's final chapter.


This is what I am talking about
dearie me- frilly facts- and we glean that much  only from the blurb-
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Reply #416 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 9:24am
 
You made the distinction Agnes. Do you know what the difference is between agriculture and farming?
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Reply #417 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 9:28am
 
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You made the distinction Agnes. Do you know what the difference is between agriculture and farming?

read FD and the world wil open up to you-
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Reply #418 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 9:33am
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 9:28am:
freediver wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 9:24am:
You made the distinction Agnes. Do you know what the difference is between agriculture and farming?

read FD and the world wil open up to you-


Has reading helped you?

Do you know what the difference is between agriculture and farming?

I will never know unless you are able to write it down.
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That font is too small Agnes. I cannot read it.
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Is this font big enough dim witty ?- and your site is failing FD- just etting you know-full of glitches
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Do you know what the difference is between agriculture and farming? If you don't know, why did you make such a big deal about the distinction?
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Reply #423 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 3:23pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 11:23am:
Do you know what the difference is between agriculture and farming? If you don't know, why did you make such a big deal about the distinction?

   you are hung up on the distinction not me- but anyway I am going to let you supply me with the answer between farming and agriculture and then  I will comment on your answer-
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You brought it up, not me. You appear to have conceded that you (and Brian, and this author) were wrong to call it farming. But then you started doing the same thing by calling it agriculture instead. Why are you so hung up on this aversion to calling hunting and gathering what it actually is?
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You brought it up, not me. You appear to have conceded that you (and Brian, and this author) were wrong to call it farming. But then you started doing the same thing by calling it agriculture instead. Why are you so hung up on this aversion to calling hunting and gathering what it actually is?

you need to provide me with your answer now FD-  and as you refuse to read anything I give you it appears we have nothing more to say to each ther on this topic- you cannot not define indigenous man under the same premise you apply to european settlers- different landscape/time/ different time and they lived 60 plus thousand years in an isolated environment in isolation- with no way of learning from any outside infleunce/practices that european man was exposed to- your question was ridiculous - it was a stupid trap- I didnt ask about distinction- it was not me- it was you- i am done with this is - if you cannot answer my question- best we forget it- enjoy the rest of your blinkered life- at best I got caught up in the confusing farm/agriculture crap that was thrown around here- so shoot me- academic texts prove you wrong  btw- so go read- i was hung up on the erroneous bs thrown around here because most of it was a lie- yes they were hunter/gathers but they were also "farmers" even by your definition- deal with it - I learned through university and you were telling me everything I had learned was a lie- you were wrong and I dont like lies
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Reply #427 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 5:59pm
 
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you need to provide me with your answer now FD


I refuse to provide an answer without first knowing what the question is.

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your question was ridiculous - it was a stupid trap


How was it a trap?

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I didnt ask about distinction- it was not me- it was you


I asked about the distinction because you made the distinction.

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at best I got caught up in the confusing farm/agriculture crap that was thrown around here- so shoot me- academic texts prove you wrong  btw- so go read


They do not seem to have improved your ability to make sense. Are you conceding you were wrong to call what the aborigines did farming, or agriculture?

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yes they were hunter/gathers but they were also "farmers" even by your definition- deal with it


Can you explain how?

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I was asking you to share what you had learned. So far, nothing. Did they teach you how to use histrionics as a substitute for rational argument?
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Reply #428 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:05pm
 
Effendi.....if I burn some land where there is flammable fuel to make the animal habitants come to where I lurk to kill them, what is the technical term for that...in English?
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Reply #429 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:07pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:05pm:
Effendi.....if I burn some land where there is flammable fuel to make the animal habitants come to where I lurk to kill them, what is the technical term for that...in English?


Setting up an ambush? Hunter/gatherers have done this in many places. The animals are wild, luring them to where they are easier to kill is not farming. Is throwing a bit of burly in the water to lure fish, aquaculture?



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Reply #430 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:13pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:07pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:05pm:
Effendi.....if I burn some land where there is flammable fuel to make the animal habitants come to where I lurk to kill them, what is the technical term for that...in English?


Setting up an ambush? Hunter/gatherers have done this in many places. The animals are wild, luring them to where they are easier to kill is not farming. Is throwing a bit of burly in the water to lure fish, aquaculture?





Gee, I wonder how these inventors of a mere stick learned how to make a fire ~ and learned that was a way to herd their prey?  I guess they were just unlucky.  No helicopters.
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Reply #431 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:15pm
 
Aussie, what is the technical term for when I chop up a fish into little bits to attract bigger fish? Would you say it is farming, or agriculture?
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Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:13pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:07pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:05pm:
Effendi.....if I burn some land where there is flammable fuel to make the animal habitants come to where I lurk to kill them, what is the technical term for that...in English?


Setting up an ambush? Hunter/gatherers have done this in many places. The animals are wild, luring them to where they are easier to kill is not farming. Is throwing a bit of burly in the water to lure fish, aquaculture?





Gee, I wonder how these inventors of a mere stick learned how to make a fire ~ and learned that was a way to herd their prey?  I guess they were just unlucky.  No helicopters.


What are you trying to say? Many people have learned to do it over our human story, it does not make it farming though.
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What's this about herding? Someone's been reading those academic manuals again....
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freediver wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:17pm:
What's this about herding? Someone's been reading those academic manuals again....


Well peoples have "herded" wild animals over cliffs to kill them, I guess that's farming too.
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This is true. And I herd fish into my esky every time I go fishing. Then I plant the frames in the garden to grow more.
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What are you trying to say? Many people have learned to do it over our human story, it does not make it farming though.


Why not?  If you can't tell me......give me the right term in today's terminology.

What is it....herding, farming, agriculture seem to be the only choices according to this Thread.

Looks like deliberate herding to me.  What's the problem with calling it for what it is?
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It's called hunting Aussie.
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It's called hunting Aussie.


Yes.....by herding.
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What are you trying to say? Many people have learned to do it over our human story, it does not make it farming though.


Why not?  If you can't tell me......give me the right term in today's terminology.

What is it....herding, farming, agriculture seem to be the only choices according to this Thread.

Looks like deliberate herding to me.  What's the problem with calling it for what it is? 


It's luring animals to ambush them, a hunter/gatherer tactic, is not farming. What the hell is wrong with them being hunter/gatherer? Are you saying because people have been doing this since time immemorial that there never were hunter/gatherer societies? They were all farmers? What does hunter/gatherer mean to you? How would you describe it?

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Did the Australian Aborigines herd animals Aussie?
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Did the Australian Aborigines herd animals Aussie?


Seems so, despite what you compulsive deprecators want to argue.  They learned how to make fire, and then learned how to use that fire to herd their prey to the abattoirs.

And they invented a stick, and survived for thousands of years....likely longer than your ancestral culture did.
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Did the Australian Aborigines herd animals Aussie?


Seems so, despite what you compulsive deprecators want to argue.  They learned how to make fire, and then learned how to use that fire to herd their prey to the abattoirs.

And they invented a stick, and survived for thousands of years....likely longer than your ancestral culture did.


I'm a farmer then. I've herded prawns at the beach with a net. Although I would consider that hunting/gathering. I have no idea why them being hunter/gatherers is supposed to be offensive.

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Did the Australian Aborigines herd animals Aussie?


Seems so, despite what you compulsive deprecators want to argue.  They learned how to make fire, and then learned how to use that fire to herd their prey to the abattoirs.

And they invented a stick, and survived for thousands of years....likely longer than your ancestral culture did.


I'm a farmer then. I've herded prawns at the beach with a net. Although I would consider that hunting/gathering. I have no idea why them being hunter/gatherers is supposed to be offensive.



No you have not.  You merely bunged a net in where you knew they would possibly be.
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Reply #444 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:43pm
 
why are you all hung up on the word farm? - the concept of farming is  retrograde- farming is a dying "art" will soon to be gone forevever once we have cultured meat hits our shelves-



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Reply #445 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:48pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:34pm:
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Did the Australian Aborigines herd animals Aussie?


Seems so, despite what you compulsive deprecators want to argue.  They learned how to make fire, and then learned how to use that fire to herd their prey to the abattoirs.

And they invented a stick, and survived for thousands of years....likely longer than your ancestral culture did.


Can you describe these abattoirs?

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Apparently some idiot thought farming was so important they wrote an entire book on how good the aborigines were at it.
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Yeas I can. 

A bunch of Abos waiting for their prey where they know they will arrive because they lit a fire to herd their prey to them.....and then...with spears and voila......death to the prey.  Abattoir.

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Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:42pm:
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Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:34pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:27pm:
Did the Australian Aborigines herd animals Aussie?


Seems so, despite what you compulsive deprecators want to argue.  They learned how to make fire, and then learned how to use that fire to herd their prey to the abattoirs.

And they invented a stick, and survived for thousands of years....likely longer than your ancestral culture did.


I'm a farmer then. I've herded prawns at the beach with a net. Although I would consider that hunting/gathering. I have no idea why them being hunter/gatherers is supposed to be offensive.



No you have not.  You merely bunged a net in where you knew they would possibly be.


No, I herded them. One person on the beach, me out in the water and walking along the shoreline driving the prawns before the net until the person on shore stopped and I kept walking until I was also on shore, we used the net to herd them.
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Reply #448 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:58pm
 
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why are you all hung up on the word farm? - the concept of farming is  retrograde- farming is a dying "art" will soon to be gone forevever once we have cultured meat hits our shelves-



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Because that is what some people would rather call it than hunting/gathering. We have definitions of words/terms for a reason.
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Reply #449 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:59pm
 
The distinction is....you were guessing where the prawns were.  You were simply having a 'Hail Mary' and hope.

These blokes knew where their prey was and deliberately herded them, with fire they created, to the abattoir.

Why not just concede that is exactly what they did?
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Reply #450 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:02pm
 
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The distinction is....you were guessing where the prawns were.  You were simply having a 'Hail Mary' and hope.

These blokes knew where their prey was and deliberately herded them, with fire they created, to the abattoir.

Why not just concede that is exactly what they did?


Not at all, when the time and tide are right, you know the prawns are there.
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Reply #451 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:03pm
 
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The distinction is....you were guessing where the prawns were.  You were simply having a 'Hail Mary' and hope.

These blokes knew where their prey was and deliberately herded them, with fire they created, to the abattoir.

Why not just concede that is exactly what they did?


It's still not farming.
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Reply #452 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:06pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:02pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:59pm:
The distinction is....you were guessing where the prawns were.  You were simply having a 'Hail Mary' and hope.

These blokes knew where their prey was and deliberately herded them, with fire they created, to the abattoir.

Why not just concede that is exactly what they did?


Not at all, when the time and tide are right, you know the prawns are there.



No.  You were guessing they are there.  The Abos did not guess.  They knew, and they herded their prey with fire to their abattoir.

I have no problem saying so.  What is the issue?  Is this some weird pissing thing.  Is it too hard for you to admit that the Abos husbanded (there's a new term) their environment to their advantage?
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did someone use that racist word 'abos"   


come on gweg  where are you???? Angry Angry
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cods wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:06pm:
did someone use that racist word 'abos"   


come on gweg  where are you???? Angry Angry


Good point, Cods.  Right up there with the very best of your contributions.   
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Reply #455 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:12pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:06pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:02pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:59pm:
The distinction is....you were guessing where the prawns were.  You were simply having a 'Hail Mary' and hope.

These blokes knew where their prey was and deliberately herded them, with fire they created, to the abattoir.

Why not just concede that is exactly what they did?


Not at all, when the time and tide are right, you know the prawns are there.



No.  You were guessing they are there.  The Abos did not guess.  They knew, and they herded their prey with fire to their abattoir.

I have no problem saying so.  What is the issue?  Is this some weird pissing thing.  Is it too hard for you to admit that the Abos husbanded (there's a new term) their environment to their advantage?


Always caught prawns so not quite hail Mary. Just go at the right time and tide and there they were, perhaps people understanding how animals behave works out without prayers.

Nothing you have said is farming. I still have not got a response to what is wrong with hunting/gathering? Why is a put down? It's how most of mankind has lived for hundreds of thousands of years.
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Reply #456 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:17pm
 
It's not a put down.

That is not the issue.  It seems that some believe that 'herding' was beyond the Abos, when very clearly, it was not.
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Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:17pm:
It's not a put down.

That is not the issue.  It seems that some believe that 'herding' was beyond the Abos, when very clearly, it was not.


So other hunter/gatherers were farming when they herded animals over a cliff? Tiger huntersfarmers were farming when they had beaters that herded the tiger to where it could be shot?
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It's not a put down.

That is not the issue.  It seems that some believe that 'herding' was beyond the Abos, when very clearly, it was not.

give it up Aussie- its not worth the headache they will fight to the death no mater how much twisting it takes to "prove" their point leave them to it-
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Reply #459 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:29pm
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:26pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:17pm:
It's not a put down.

That is not the issue.  It seems that some believe that 'herding' was beyond the Abos, when very clearly, it was not.

give it up Aussie- its not worth the headache they will fight to the death no mater how much twisting it takes to "prove" their point leave them to it-


Where have I twisted AG? My point has always been the same. We have words with definitions and hunting wild animals is not farming, no matter how you hunt them.
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Reply #460 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:32pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:22pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:17pm:
It's not a put down.

That is not the issue.  It seems that some believe that 'herding' was beyond the Abos, when very clearly, it was not.


So other hunter/gatherers were farming when they herded animals over a cliff? Tiger huntersfarmers were farming when they had beaters that herded the tiger to where it could be shot?


Yeas, why not.  Why are you so precious about that term....herding.  I am happy to share it with what the Abos did.
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Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:32pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:22pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:17pm:
It's not a put down.

That is not the issue.  It seems that some believe that 'herding' was beyond the Abos, when very clearly, it was not.


So other hunter/gatherers were farming when they herded animals over a cliff? Tiger huntersfarmers were farming when they had beaters that herded the tiger to where it could be shot?


Yeas, why not.  Why are you so precious about that term....herding.  I am happy to share it with what the Abos did.


Because you conflate meaning one with meaning two.

herd
həːd/
verb
gerund or present participle: herding
1.
(with reference to a group of people or animals) move in a group.
"they were herded into a bus"
synonyms:      drive, round up, shepherd, gather, collect, assemble, guide, kettle More
2.
keep or look after (livestock).
"they live by herding reindeer"
synonyms:      look after, take care of, keep, tend, watch, watch over, mind, guard
"they live by herding reindeer"
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Perfect description of what the Abos did.  They clearly 'herded' within your own definition.

Give it up.
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Perfect description of what the Abos did.  They clearly 'herded' within your own definition.

Give it up. 


They did definition one, which is not farming, farming is definition two. I suggest you take your own advice.
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Can you describe these abattoirs?


Yeas I can. 

A bunch of Abos waiting for their prey where they know they will arrive because they lit a fire to herd their prey to them.....and then...with spears and voila......death to the prey.  Abattoir.



Are you making this up Aussie, or did someone else make it up?

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What animals did they herd Aussie?
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Can you describe these abattoirs?


Yeas I can. 

A bunch of Abos waiting for their prey where they know they will arrive because they lit a fire to herd their prey to them.....and then...with spears and voila......death to the prey.  Abattoir.



Are you making this up Aussie, or did someone else make it up?

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It seems that some believe that 'herding' was beyond the Abos, when very clearly, it was not.


What animals did they herd Aussie?


I think he's making it up. I meant to get back to it at some point when I read it but got off track. There is no way in the world you can drive roos to one particular spot with fire when you are a small group of hunter/gatherers. That is not how they used fire.
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Good grief.
FARMing requires by its very nature A FARM.
We've been over this.

No FARM....  NO FARMING.

Creating a bushfire to scare animals and kill them as they escape is HUNTING not FARMING.

As for burning  creating miraculous regrowth that attracts animals for hunting...

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Codding says the new study looked at kangaroo populations in all five stages of post-fire spinifex grass vegetation, as described by the Martu.

The first is Nyurnma, or bare ground; second is Waru-Waru, or early regrowth starting six months to a year post-fire; and third is Nyukura, the middle stage that begins one to five years after fire and features fruits such as bush tomato and bush raisin eaten by the Martu and hill kangaroos. The two final stages occur five to 15 years after fire: Manguu, when spinifex grass forms hummocks and re-establishes dominance, and Kunarka, dominated by old spinifex grass hummocks decaying at the center.


Of course the Hunter/Gatherers as the vast majority of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander were had to adapt to various environmental conditions over the Australian land mass.  Some tribes were Nomadic, some hunted marsupials, some lived off aquatic marine life, all gathered from the local environment.

There is no evidence any owned a farm or kibbutz of any kind. Roll Eyes


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Reply #467 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 8:47pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:45pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:51pm:
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Can you describe these abattoirs?


Yeas I can. 

A bunch of Abos waiting for their prey where they know they will arrive because they lit a fire to herd their prey to them.....and then...with spears and voila......death to the prey.  Abattoir.



Are you making this up Aussie, or did someone else make it up?

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It seems that some believe that 'herding' was beyond the Abos, when very clearly, it was not.


What animals did they herd Aussie?


Yeah I'm going with stampeding

Herding is the act of bringing individual animals together into a group (herd), maintaining the group, and moving the group from place to place


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Jesus God.... I prefer my allegory (that's agellory for youse uneddicateds) of burning the land to push 'game' into a killing ground as being the same as raping a stretch of farm and grazing land to procure a resource such as gas or ore or whatever...

Rape the land of its resources and  that's all fine if you're a Kaffir - but if Whartey does it it's a crime against the Lend....

I oppose the rape of land for resource gathering in many instances...... but let's be fair - burning large tracts of native bush to 'herd' animals for slaughter is just as Far Ken bad...

Did the Kaffirs learn 'burn and herd' when they were stockmen?  Surely Whartey is to blame for that too...
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Setanta wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:49pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:45pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:51pm:
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Can you describe these abattoirs?


Yeas I can. 

A bunch of Abos waiting for their prey where they know they will arrive because they lit a fire to herd their prey to them.....and then...with spears and voila......death to the prey.  Abattoir.



Are you making this up Aussie, or did someone else make it up?

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It seems that some believe that 'herding' was beyond the Abos, when very clearly, it was not.


What animals did they herd Aussie?


I think he's making it up. I meant to get back to it at some point when I read it but got off track. There is no way in the world you can drive roos to one particular spot with fire when you are a small group of hunter/gatherers. That is not how they used fire.


Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Does this sound like the sort of thing Aussie could make up?
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Jesus God.... I prefer my allegory (that's agellory for youse uneddicateds) of burning the land to push 'game' into a killing ground as being the same as raping a stretch of farm and grazing land to procure a resource such as gas or ore or whatever...

Rape the land of its resources and  that's all fine if you're a Kaffir - but if Whartey does it it's a crime against the Lend....

I oppose the rape of land for resource gathering in many instances...... but let's be fair - burning large tracts of native bush to 'herd' animals for slaughter is just as Far Ken bad...

Did the Kaffirs learn 'burn and herd' when they were stockmen?  Surely Whartey is to blame for that too...


Is that a pic of coal farming?
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Reply #471 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 12:41am
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 10:30pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 9:57pm:
Jesus God.... I prefer my allegory (that's agellory for youse uneddicateds) of burning the land to push 'game' into a killing ground as being the same as raping a stretch of farm and grazing land to procure a resource such as gas or ore or whatever...

Rape the land of its resources and  that's all fine if you're a Kaffir - but if Whartey does it it's a crime against the Lend....

I oppose the rape of land for resource gathering in many instances...... but let's be fair - burning large tracts of native bush to 'herd' animals for slaughter is just as Far Ken bad...

Did the Kaffirs learn 'burn and herd' when they were stockmen?  Surely Whartey is to blame for that too...


Is that a pic of coal farming?


It is indeed.....

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I have no personal problem with Kaffirs - but I do have a problem with total loss of reality


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Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 8:49pm:
and this is the reason i dont get involved in these topics- the thread bullies who gang up with a one eyed agenda- so now you can say i am wrong i dont care - your ignorance wont change facts- your ignorance speaks for you- not me


You didn't present one fact .... just a lot of theories.
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Agnes wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 11:06am:
i'm talking methods if agriculture- not farming-but none of you seem to comprehend that- indigenous agriculture was superior to "farming" in many ways- i am wasting my time talking to half wits-dwmt- teaching aborigines at wave hill- wtf- they are masters of the envirinment- insulting and absurd- bugger off


You are deluded.


I am deluded huh - you never did get over the fact I once said you are Aussie did you? I doubt you have ever read a book aussie-

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Grin That proves you have issues. There wasn't anything to get over ..... I'm not Aussie ... and you calling me Aussie again doesn't make it so.

You have a Aussie fixation wherein you see that anyone that opposes your opinion is an Aussie sock.

How about you stick to the OP that you say you haven't deflected from?
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Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:13pm:
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Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:05pm:
Effendi.....if I burn some land where there is flammable fuel to make the animal habitants come to where I lurk to kill them, what is the technical term for that...in English?


Setting up an ambush? Hunter/gatherers have done this in many places. The animals are wild, luring them to where they are easier to kill is not farming. Is throwing a bit of burly in the water to lure fish, aquaculture?





Gee, I wonder how these inventors of a mere stick learned how to make a fire ~ and learned that was a way to herd their prey?  I guess they were just unlucky.  No helicopters.


They weren't the only peoples to learn how to make "fire".
Many other hunter gatherers used fire.

And their use of fire was not "controlled" as is suggested here.

With all the modern equipment available now fires cannot always be controlled .... can they?

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It's called hunting Aussie.


Yes.....by herding.


No by luring/attracting with bait or ambush.

It's hunting.

They were hunter gatherer people .... nothing more.
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Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:42pm:
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Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:34pm:
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Did the Australian Aborigines herd animals Aussie?


Seems so, despite what you compulsive deprecators want to argue.  They learned how to make fire, and then learned how to use that fire to herd their prey to the abattoirs.

And they invented a stick, and survived for thousands of years....likely longer than your ancestral culture did.


I'm a farmer then. I've herded prawns at the beach with a net. Although I would consider that hunting/gathering. I have no idea why them being hunter/gatherers is supposed to be offensive.



No you have not.  You merely bunged a net in where you knew they would possibly be.


Grin it's the same premise that you're suggesting makes Aboriginals farmers or agriculturalists

instead of what they were - hunter gatherers.
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Can you describe these abattoirs?


Yeas I can. 

A bunch of Abos waiting for their prey where they know they will arrive because they lit a fire to herd their prey to them.....and then...with spears and voila......death to the prey.  Abattoir.



If you could draw any longer bow Aussie you'd be an Olympic Archer .... maybe even give Robin of Loxley a run for his money & win Maid Marions hand?

Your suggestion is as much fantasy as the latter.
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The distinction is....you were guessing where the prawns were.  You were simply having a 'Hail Mary' and hope.

These blokes knew where their prey was and deliberately herded them, with fire they created, to the abattoir.

Why not just concede that is exactly what they did?


Aussie you can see prawns working in shallow water. Roll Eyes
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It's not a put down.

That is not the issue.  It seems that some believe that 'herding' was beyond the Abos, when very clearly, it was not.


Ambush hunting prey is not herding .... using drivers or fire to push/flush prey to a location where you kill it is not an abattoir.

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Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:17pm:
It's not a put down.

That is not the issue.  It seems that some believe that 'herding' was beyond the Abos, when very clearly, it was not.

give it up Aussie- its not worth the headache they will fight to the death no mater how much twisting it takes to "prove" their point leave them to it-


The only persons involved in twisting the truth is yourself & Aussie.


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Undoubtedly, the 'making' of Australia..............and they taught us honkies how to farm and raise cattle.......who would have thunk it.........oh yes, Aggie and her boyfriend Aussie.......

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Reply #483 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 9:08am
 
Fair go Fuzzball

a cyclone/storm had gone through in those shots.
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Reply #484 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 9:23am
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 9:08am:
Fair go Fuzzball

a cyclone/storm had gone through in those shots.


Rubbish.

I have been to several remote communities.
They are let to go to rack and ruin by the aboriginal tennants.
When it gets cold they tear up the floor boards to use as fire wood.
Few houses have functional doors.

We (taxpaying) Australians pay through the nose to build these houses.
Only to see them destroyed in a few years.

And it's not only the remote communities.
Look at any housing estate where our aboriginal brethren live
The places are a mess.
I dare you, I double dare you to go to Purfleet, just outside of Taree.
Or even The Kempsy Aboriginal settlements, that we pay for.

They see these houses as a right, the demand that we build, maintain and repair the damage they do.

There are some who do look after their properties,  but these are the few, not the majority.

This mentality of privilege, not charity, is destroying both the Aboriginal culture and the Australian people's opinion of them.

One rule for all, no specialist entitlements just because you are black.
And a requirement to contribute would do far more good than harm to the Aboriginal people.
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Reply #485 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 9:35am
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 9:23am:
Gnads wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 9:08am:
Fair go Fuzzball

a cyclone/storm had gone through in those shots.


Rubbish.

I have been to several remote communities.
They are let to go to rack and ruin by the aboriginal tennants.
When it gets cold they tear up the floor boards to use as fire wood.
Few houses have functional doors.

We (taxpaying) Australians pay through the nose to build these houses.
Only to see them destroyed in a few years.

And it's not only the remote communities.
Look at any housing estate where our aboriginal brethren live
The places are a mess.
I dare you, I double dare you to go to Purfleet, just outside of Taree.
Or even The Kempsy Aboriginal settlements, that we pay for.

They see these houses as a right, the demand that we build, maintain and repair the damage they do.

There are some who do look after their properties,  but these are the few, not the majority.

This mentality of privilege, not charity, is destroying both the Aboriginal culture and the Australian people's opinion of them.

One rule for all, no specialist entitlements just because you are black.
And a requirement to contribute would do far more good than harm to the Aboriginal people.



Valkie ... it's not a rubbish call.

I've been to communities as well & seen the self made neglect/destruction. So in that you're preaching at the converted.

But to be fair I'd wager those photos are from a storm affected community.
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Reply #486 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 11:34am
 
Yes it is, I've also seen first hand what shiteholes they turn their sites into.
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Reply #487 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 11:42am
 
Fuzzball wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 8:43am:
https://s25.postimg.cc/dimj45u6n/images.jpg

https://s25.postimg.cc/uvwtj0hrz/images2.jpg

https://s25.postimg.cc/abrzkiub3/images3.jpg

Undoubtedly, the 'making' of Australia..............and they taught us honkies how to farm and raise cattle.......who would have thunk it.........oh yes, Aggie and her boyfriend Aussie.......


"us honkies" lol- but the chinese shiit on the main streets long balls- how was your dog stir fry last night? or coudnt you see it through your coke bottle lenses Fong
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Reply #488 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 11:44am
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 11:42am:
Fuzzball wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 8:43am:
https://s25.postimg.cc/dimj45u6n/images.jpg

https://s25.postimg.cc/uvwtj0hrz/images2.jpg

https://s25.postimg.cc/abrzkiub3/images3.jpg

Undoubtedly, the 'making' of Australia..............and they taught us honkies how to farm and raise cattle.......who would have thunk it.........oh yes, Aggie and her boyfriend Aussie.......


"us honkies" lol- but the chinese shiit on the main streets long balls


I've told you Arsehole, I'm fed up, not fvvken hard up......
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Reply #489 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 12:14pm
 
Fuzzball wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 11:44am:
Agnes wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 11:42am:
Fuzzball wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 8:43am:
https://s25.postimg.cc/dimj45u6n/images.jpg

https://s25.postimg.cc/uvwtj0hrz/images2.jpg

https://s25.postimg.cc/abrzkiub3/images3.jpg

Undoubtedly, the 'making' of Australia..............and they taught us honkies how to farm and raise cattle.......who would have thunk it.........oh yes, Aggie and her boyfriend Aussie.......


"us honkies" lol- but the chinese shiit on the main streets long balls


I've told you Arsehole, I'm fed up, not fvvken hard up......

like i said some fibre with your dog stirfry and you wont be hardup any longer -
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Reply #490 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 12:16pm
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 12:14pm:
Fuzzball wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 11:44am:
Agnes wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 11:42am:
Fuzzball wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 8:43am:
https://s25.postimg.cc/dimj45u6n/images.jpg

https://s25.postimg.cc/uvwtj0hrz/images2.jpg

https://s25.postimg.cc/abrzkiub3/images3.jpg

Undoubtedly, the 'making' of Australia..............and they taught us honkies how to farm and raise cattle.......who would have thunk it.........oh yes, Aggie and her boyfriend Aussie.......


"us honkies" lol- but the chinese shiit on the main streets long balls


I've told you Arsehole, I'm fed up, not fvvken hard up......

like i said some fibre with your dog stirfry and you wont be hardup any longer -

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

wow hasnt this thread progressed.....  Wink Wink Wink
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Reply #491 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 12:23pm
 
here you go LOng  Balls an every day occurence in China-


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maybe a cyclone will sort that out yeah?
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Reply #492 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 6:50pm
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 12:14pm:
Fuzzball wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 11:44am:
Agnes wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 11:42am:
Fuzzball wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 8:43am:
https://s25.postimg.cc/dimj45u6n/images.jpg

https://s25.postimg.cc/uvwtj0hrz/images2.jpg

https://s25.postimg.cc/abrzkiub3/images3.jpg

Undoubtedly, the 'making' of Australia..............and they taught us honkies how to farm and raise cattle.......who would have thunk it.........oh yes, Aggie and her boyfriend Aussie.......


"us honkies" lol- but the chinese shiit on the main streets long balls


I've told you Arsehole, I'm fed up, not fvvken hard up......

like i said some fibre with your dog stirfry and you wont be hardup any longer -


There is absolutely nothing wrong with dog meat.
It's tender and tasty.

And I'll bet most of you have eaten cat, you just didn't know it.

Meat is meat, you would be surprised at what some people eat.

Did you know guinea  pigs are a delicacy  in Peru?
And now appearing more and more on USA dinner plates.

Monkeys in some African countries.

Even people in some places are seen as food, even today.

Insects, rodents, grubs, worms etc etc.

Humans are omnivores and will eat virtually anything.


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Reply #493 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 8:45am
 
Fuzzball wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 11:34am:
Yes it is, I've also seen first hand what shiteholes they turn their sites into.


So have I
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Reply #494 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:16am
 
I Disapprove of everything you say but I will Defend to the Death your right to say it

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Reply #495 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:37am
 
red baron wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:16am:
I Disapprove of everything you say but I will Defend to the Death your right to say it

Voltaire


Wrong.

Quote:
Evelyn Beatrice Hall (28 September 1868 – 13 April 1956),[1][2][3][Note 1] who wrote under the pseudonym S. G. Tallentyre, was an English writer best known for her biography of Voltaire entitled The Life of Voltaire, first published in 1903. She also wrote The Friends of Voltaire, which she completed in 1906.

In The Friends of Voltaire, Hall wrote the phrase: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"[4] (which is often misattributed to Voltaire himself) as an illustration of Voltaire's beliefs.[5][6][7] Hall's quotation is often cited to describe the principle of freedom of speech.



Link.
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Reply #496 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 10:40am
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:37am:
red baron wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:16am:
I Disapprove of everything you say but I will Defend to the Death your right to say it

Voltaire


Wrong.

Quote:
Evelyn Beatrice Hall (28 September 1868 – 13 April 1956),[1][2][3][Note 1] who wrote under the pseudonym S. G. Tallentyre, was an English writer best known for her biography of Voltaire entitled The Life of Voltaire, first published in 1903. She also wrote The Friends of Voltaire, which she completed in 1906.

In The Friends of Voltaire, Hall wrote the phrase: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"[4] (which is often misattributed to Voltaire himself) as an illustration of Voltaire's beliefs.[5][6][7] Hall's quotation is often cited to describe the principle of freedom of speech.



Link.


GROW THE bugger UP!..........are you so bloody desperate to counter everything anybody says by correcting all the time?

Plonker!
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Reply #497 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 11:36am
 
What Mr Baron said was wrong, simple as that.
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Reply #498 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 12:45pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 9:23am:
Gnads wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 9:08am:
Fair go Fuzzball

a cyclone/storm had gone through in those shots.


Rubbish.

I have been to several remote communities.
They are let to go to rack and ruin by the aboriginal tennants.
When it gets cold they tear up the floor boards to use as fire wood.
Few houses have functional doors.

We (taxpaying) Australians pay through the nose to build these houses.
Only to see them destroyed in a few years.

And it's not only the remote communities.
Look at any housing estate where our aboriginal brethren live
The places are a mess.
I dare you, I double dare you to go to Purfleet, just outside of Taree.
Or even The Kempsy Aboriginal settlements, that we pay for.

They see these houses as a right, the demand that we build, maintain and repair the damage they do.

There are some who do look after their properties,  but these are the few, not the majority.

This mentality of privilege, not charity, is destroying both the Aboriginal culture and the Australian people's opinion of them.

One rule for all, no specialist entitlements just because you are black.
And a requirement to contribute would do far more good than harm to the Aboriginal people.


This happened just last week. I dropped in to see my cuz who lives on the mid north coast. He's an accountant and around tax time donates his time to do free tax returns for disadvantaged people.

One guy brought all his docs in (Centerlink payment forms) and demanded a tax refund for the figure on the top of the form. He politely explained that figure was paid to him in benefits.

The guy went off and told him his 'brudda' told him that's how much the 'gubberment' owed him and accused my cuz of trying to steal his refund. He said if he doesn't get his refund he'd bring his 'brudders' to town and beat him up.

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