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Indigenous historian Bruce Pascoe says we’ve got our story all wrong

A HISTORIAN has painted a completely different version of Australia’s history - and it is causing huge shockwaves.

A RADICALLY different version of Australia’s history to what we are taught at school has been put forward by a historian — who believes it changes the entire concept of Australia as a country and who we really are.

We are taught Australia’s first people were simplistic hunter-gatherers who foraged for plants and randomly hunted kangaroos.

We are taught when Europeans landed, the indigenous people who first roamed the land were a disparate group of nomadic tribes, who never built permanent homes to shelter themselves.

But many of the early journals of the white settlers who first landed here — seeing a land completely untouched by other cultures for hundreds of thousands of years — saw something very different to what conventional history textbooks tell us.

Indigenous historian Bruce Pascoe has spent years looking through these incredible accounts and found the first white settlers documented how Aboriginal people built homes, villages, parks, dams and wells, selected seeds for harvesting, ploughed fields, irrigated crops and preserved food in vessels.

He says Aboriginal people were the first culture on earth to bake, evidenced by unearthed grindstones from 30,000 years ago, meaning Aussies beat the ancient Egyptians by more than 15,000 years.

In an interview with news.com.au after an groundbreaking speech at Tedx Sydney, the acclaimed author says Australia has deliberately avoided the subject for hundred of years. And, he believes the effect has been catastrophic.

“It has been purposefully left out of our history,” he said. “The misconception that Aboriginals were hunter-gatherers has been institutionalised and we are all suffering from that institutionalisation today — not just Aboriginal people but the whole country.”

WHAT HAPPENED TO IT ALL?

He says much of this complex civilisation had been wiped out by 1860, as the land was torn up by Europeans, buildings burned down and their occupants killed by warfare, murder and disease.

When this ancient infrastructure was destroyed, Mr Pascoe believes it became convenient for settlers to perpetuate the myth that the nation’s first people were incapable of organising a coherent and sophisticated society. He believes this, in their minds, legitimised their reason for being there.

“The country can’t afford to recognise the expertise and economic subtly of Aboriginal people because it talks about ownership of the land and it undermines the whole eligibility of the people to the land,” he said. “That’s why Australians have avoided it, not out of some vagueness or failure, but just total avoidance.”

In his award-winning book, Dark Emu, which has inspired a new contemporary dance production at the Sydney Opera House, Mr Pascoe details fascinating journals of the early European explorers.

They describe densely-populated Aboriginal villages up and down the country, some with sophisticated buildings made of large logs and clay plastering.

They also describe how indigenous people produced grain surplus to requirement, stored it and used complex systems to preserve soil, water, wildlife and fish as well as native seeds, nuts, fruits and vegetables.

HERE’S WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT

Mr Pascoe says the settlers’ journals show Australia was a far more fertile land when they first landed than it is today and the vast area of the country we now consider an inhospitable desert was, in fact, meticulously and successfully managed by Aboriginal societies for thousands of years.

But when Europeans landed, they brought foreign livestock which broke up the soil with their hoofs leading to soil erosion. Settlers also brought foreign crops and intensive farming techniques, later resorting to chemical fertilisation which Mr Pascoe argues has drained the land of its former fertility.

“Recognising Aboriginal farming is fundamental to our understanding of country,” Mr Pascoe said. “If we are going to survive climate change we need to have a better understanding of the country because we have already run out of water.

“So, we have to learn to conserve water, we have to learn to conserve soil and we can learn from the Aboriginal past about how the people who lived here for hundreds of thousands of years used both and still maintained an agricultural economy.”

He argues the ancient farming techniques were more sympathetic to the land because they used Aussie plants — such as native millet, kangaroo grass and murnong — and animals like kangaroos and emus.

“They knew how to conserve water and soil and the proof of this was when the Europeans arrived and they described how the grass was higher than the saddles on their horses,” he said. “The country was more fertile then than it is now. When you talk to farmers now, they tell you their grandfathers had it better than they do.

“Farmers are ready to admit that what we are doing isn’t working and it isn’t sustainable. So they are keen to try growing native Australian plants.”

Mr Pascoe has even teamed up with a number other indigenous Australians living along the NSW South Coast and in east Gippsland in Victoria to trial native Aussie crops.

“We’re fooling ourselves if we think we can replace the old fertility with chemicals,” he added.


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HOW BRUCE DISCOVERED THIS

Mr Pascoe said he had grown up with stories of massacres, separation of families and institutional racism, but he had not heard about the wonders of Aboriginal agriculture until late on in his life.

He said it “fell into its path” as he searched for the story of his own family history when he met elders of his own Aboriginal family.

“When I spoke to them, I was taken to task because of my own misunderstanding of history and the stuff I had learned at school,” he said.

“Once I realised that my reading of history was appalling, I then had to refurbish my own brain and once I did that and started reading a few explorers’ journals, I began to realise that an unbelievably different story to be told about the country and I couldn’t believe how stupid I had been.”

Mr Pascoe said there was a bit of backlash against his ideas from certain historians when he first started writing about his theories in 2013, but since then, he said the majority of people he has spoken to, especially young people, have been enthusiastic about his arguments.

Now he wants Australians to look at the settlers’ journals and decide which version of history they believe.

“Teachers are just teaching what they learnt in school, so we need to expand resources so they and the children can access the journals,” he said. “Then, they can make their own mind up about what our history was really like.”



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Why does she need to post here? Doesn't your forum satisfy her needs?
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The east coast Aborigines survived largely on molluscs and shellfish. Journal keepers like Tench, Hunter etc give no insight into the arguments tabled above. Let's believe a 2018 historian who heard some stories rather than those who documented the events 240 years ago.
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If the story is true—and it likely is, have heard bits of it before, be some grouse collecting to be done.
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yes... and lets not forget the tooth fairy..  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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this crap has been in academic texts for years OLD NEWS!!!!!!
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Having a neo-colonialism bash is one thing. To venerate the idea of the noble savage to this extreme is just beyond the pale.
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Haha.
Abos with houses and farms and cooking and parks and dams and wells and....BULLCRAP! They were to thick to have a wheel....which would have been required before any of the other claims....  Grin
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If throwing a roo on a fire complete with fur and guts etc is classed as baking......then yes, they can bake.
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There's evidence they had a space agency abiut 10000 years before white colonisation and had actually developed faster than light space travel. They found exploring the universe rather boring and gave it all up for sticks and goon.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 8:34pm:
The east coast Aborigines survived largely on molluscs and shellfish. Journal keepers like Tench, Hunter etc give no insight into the arguments tabled above. Let's believe a 2018 historian who heard some stories rather than those who documented the events 240 years ago.


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Reminds me of Falah.
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Gordon wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:01pm:
There's evidence they had a space agency abiut 10000 years before white colonisation and had actually developed faster than light space travel. They found exploring the universe rather boring and gave it all up for sticks and goon.


Don't forget the time travel machine... it's in a secret cave under Ayers Rock which is why they want to close it off to Whartey...

Are there any actual documents on show here or is this just a fine piece of editorial?  You can talk about wonderful Aboriginal culture including the telescope, time travel, space travel, and massive infrastructure - but where are the documents that support this?
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Don't forget how they stole Whitey's rock, leftards.

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I think there's a bit of embellishing here. The indigenous peoples were not a complex civilisation. They didn't have writing; they didn't have large urban settlements; no surplus of agriculture; and they didn't have the capital and coercive institutions we see in other civilisations.

This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself: no empire has ever lasted even a fraction of that time. They indigenous peoples also left the environment untouched and pristine.

If we recognise the uniqueness of indigenous culture, rather than trying to retell history in order to satisfy the progressives, then we can fully more appreciate indigenous culture for what it is.
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.
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John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
I think there's a bit of embellishing here. The indigenous peoples were not a complex civilisation. They didn't have writing; they didn't have large urban settlements; no surplus of agriculture; and they didn't have the capital and coercive institutions we see in other civilisations.

This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself: no empire has ever lasted even a fraction of that time. They indigenous peoples also left the environment untouched and pristine.

If we recognise the uniqueness of indigenous culture, rather than trying to retell history in order to satisfy the progressives, then we can fully more appreciate indigenous culture for what it is.


They were not what one would classify as a civilisation or empire now, were they? It's like saying people have "survived" in Africa for 500k years, that does not mean there was any civilisation or empire involved.
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


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FD bring back mothra and JS wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


So, when will mothra and JS be unbanned or at least you summon up the manhood to tell them the reason for the ban?


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FD bring back mothra and JS wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


So, when will mothra and JS be unbanned or at least you summon up the manhood to tell them the reason for the ban?


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Well considering that 'Western' (Political) culture only knows about 'Asian' culture (can't even say the racial 'yellow') and 'Black' race (can't even say the cultural 'Bantu').

It knows sweet FA about Black 'culture' (let alone Yellow 'race').

So little wonder that the Westerners (Anglos/Irish/Scottish/Welsh) had absolutely no idea about this part of the world (The Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, Malaysian, Chinese ...possibly the Germans, French and even more so - the Phoenicians, knew about it before hand).

Even when they landed, they couldn't fathom much about the way of life here and depended heavily on the local Eora Aboriginals (which is why things were so 'harmonious' for awhile  Roll Eyes) - TO SURVIVE as a ramshackle Penal Colony.

Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson were taught in schools as the men who 'found' the way across the Great Dividing Range ...but in truth the Dharruk Aboriginals 'showed' them the way.
Pure Propaganda crap!

If it wasn't for the Aboriginals - the 'Western' efforts here would have just defaulted.
Later, the Westerners stabbed the aboriginals in the back and the massacres began.
Much like HG-Wells: War of the Worlds.  Grin

...but we know that 'Western' (Political) culture here is capitulating via corruption, sexual sterility and an unprogressive future of any originality.


Thankfully the 'Eastern' (Slavic) Europeans are making a far better effort here in Australia (which will be renamed with a more 'slavic' version
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.JaSin. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:47pm:
Well considering that 'Western' (Political) culture only knows about 'Asian' culture (can't even say the racial 'yellow') and 'Black' race (can't even say the cultural 'Bantu').

It knows sweet FA about Black 'culture' (let alone Yellow 'race').

So little wonder that the Westerners (Anglos/Irish/Scottish/Welsh) had absolutely no idea about this part of the world (The Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, Malaysian, Chinese ...possibly the Germans, French and even more so - the Phoenicians, knew about it before hand).

Even when they landed, they couldn't fathom much about the way of life here and depended heavily on the local Eora Aboriginals (which is why things were so 'harmonious' for awhile  Roll Eyes) - TO SURVIVE as a ramshackle Penal Colony.

Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson were taught in schools as the men who 'found' the way across the Great Dividing Range ...but in truth the Dharruk Aboriginals 'showed' them the way.
Pure Propaganda crap!

If it wasn't for the Aboriginals - the 'Western' efforts here would have just defaulted.
Later, the Westerners stabbed the aboriginals in the back and the massacres began.
Much like HG-Wells: War of the Worlds.  Grin

...but we know that 'Western' (Political) culture here is capitulating via corruption, sexual sterility and an unprogressive future of any originality.


Thankfully the 'Eastern' (Slavic) Europeans are making a far better effort here in Australia (which will be renamed with a more 'slavic' version
  Wink)


I can't believe how full of shi'ite you are Jasin, you know they are all the same people if you leave out the Phoenicians. Do you have a random thought generator or something?
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.JaSin. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:47pm:
Well considering that 'Western' (Political) culture only knows about 'Asian' culture (can't even say the racial 'yellow') and 'Black' race (can't even say the cultural 'Bantu').

It knows sweet FA about Black 'culture' (let alone Yellow 'race').

So little wonder that the Westerners (Anglos/Irish/Scottish/Welsh) had absolutely no idea about this part of the world (The Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, Malaysian, Chinese ...possibly the Germans, French and even more so - the Phoenicians, knew about it before hand).

Even when they landed, they couldn't fathom much about the way of life here and depended heavily on the local Eora Aboriginals (which is why things were so 'harmonious' for awhile  Roll Eyes) - TO SURVIVE as a ramshackle Penal Colony.

Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson were taught in schools as the men who 'found' the way across the Great Dividing Range ...but in truth the Dharruk Aboriginals 'showed' them the way.
Pure Propaganda crap!

If it wasn't for the Aboriginals - the 'Western' efforts here would have just defaulted.
Later, the Westerners stabbed the aboriginals in the back and the massacres began.
Much like HG-Wells: War of the Worlds.  Grin

...but we know that 'Western' (Political) culture here is capitulating via corruption, sexual sterility and an unprogressive future of any originality.


Thankfully the 'Eastern' (Slavic) Europeans are making a far better effort here in Australia (which will be renamed with a more 'slavic' version
  Wink)


If we are including the Croats in these eastern eruos... Sure, they'll interbreed then kill themselves for what they have done to themselves in the past.
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Reply #24 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:56pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:51pm:
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:47pm:
Well considering that 'Western' (Political) culture only knows about 'Asian' culture (can't even say the racial 'yellow') and 'Black' race (can't even say the cultural 'Bantu').

It knows sweet FA about Black 'culture' (let alone Yellow 'race').

So little wonder that the Westerners (Anglos/Irish/Scottish/Welsh) had absolutely no idea about this part of the world (The Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, Malaysian, Chinese ...possibly the Germans, French and even more so - the Phoenicians, knew about it before hand).

Even when they landed, they couldn't fathom much about the way of life here and depended heavily on the local Eora Aboriginals (which is why things were so 'harmonious' for awhile  Roll Eyes) - TO SURVIVE as a ramshackle Penal Colony.

Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson were taught in schools as the men who 'found' the way across the Great Dividing Range ...but in truth the Dharruk Aboriginals 'showed' them the way.
Pure Propaganda crap!

If it wasn't for the Aboriginals - the 'Western' efforts here would have just defaulted.
Later, the Westerners stabbed the aboriginals in the back and the massacres began.
Much like HG-Wells: War of the Worlds.  Grin

...but we know that 'Western' (Political) culture here is capitulating via corruption, sexual sterility and an unprogressive future of any originality.


Thankfully the 'Eastern' (Slavic) Europeans are making a far better effort here in Australia (which will be renamed with a more 'slavic' version
  Wink)


I can't believe how full of shi'ite you are Jasin, you know they are all the same people if you leave out the Phoenicians. Do you have a random thought generator or something?




Spanish, Portuguese, French are 'Grey' Latin peoples.
German, Dutch are 'Red' Celtic peoples (because 'Green' is the colour of South Americans and 'olive' skinned people  Grin Cheesy Tongue)

Face it - Celtics/Western Euros belong in North America ...where they ran away to like cowards from the problems of Europe. Hell, even Americans are trying to run away to Mars and the problems of Earth (typical 'Western' psyche  Roll Eyes)
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.JaSin. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:56pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:51pm:
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:47pm:
Well considering that 'Western' (Political) culture only knows about 'Asian' culture (can't even say the racial 'yellow') and 'Black' race (can't even say the cultural 'Bantu').

It knows sweet FA about Black 'culture' (let alone Yellow 'race').

So little wonder that the Westerners (Anglos/Irish/Scottish/Welsh) had absolutely no idea about this part of the world (The Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, Malaysian, Chinese ...possibly the Germans, French and even more so - the Phoenicians, knew about it before hand).

Even when they landed, they couldn't fathom much about the way of life here and depended heavily on the local Eora Aboriginals (which is why things were so 'harmonious' for awhile  Roll Eyes) - TO SURVIVE as a ramshackle Penal Colony.

Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson were taught in schools as the men who 'found' the way across the Great Dividing Range ...but in truth the Dharruk Aboriginals 'showed' them the way.
Pure Propaganda crap!

If it wasn't for the Aboriginals - the 'Western' efforts here would have just defaulted.
Later, the Westerners stabbed the aboriginals in the back and the massacres began.
Much like HG-Wells: War of the Worlds.  Grin

...but we know that 'Western' (Political) culture here is capitulating via corruption, sexual sterility and an unprogressive future of any originality.


Thankfully the 'Eastern' (Slavic) Europeans are making a far better effort here in Australia (which will be renamed with a more 'slavic' version
  Wink)


I can't believe how full of shi'ite you are Jasin, you know they are all the same people if you leave out the Phoenicians. Do you have a random thought generator or something?




Spanish, Portuguese, French are 'Grey' Latin peoples.
German, Dutch are 'Red' Celtic peoples (because 'Green' is the colour of South Americans and 'olive' skinned people  Grin Cheesy Tongue)

Face it - Celtics/Western Euros belong in North America ...where they ran away to like cowards from the problems of Europe. Hell, even Americans are trying to run away to Mars and the problems of Earth (typical 'Western' psyche  Roll Eyes)


You do know the Celts ruled from Ireland to Turkey at one stage? The Spanish were Celts, the French, the Swiss, the Hungarians, the Poles. Celtic is/was not a race but a culture. In fact Celtic culture first blossomed in Switzerland and Austria.


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British/Irish Isles = 'unite' (in Western Europe)

Yugoslavic = 'separate' (in Eastern Europe) into Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, etc.


...hence why Australia will fracture into 'Independent Nations', much like how Yugoslavia did.

Face it Celtic boy.
Your people have no idea about this part of the World.
Once Russia capitulates. Australia will become the NEW SLAVIC (Slave/Convict - 'same myth') future!

...because Europe is now 2/3rds 'Blue' (Scandi-navian) Brunette in population and will be absorbed by the Northern Europeans.
...because the 'Grey' Latin Southern Europeans are moving out to the Oceanic Islands from New Zealand to Central America/Caribbean (such is the Media  Wink)


So there you go Setanta: Anglo-Saxons/Celts, etc ...never had a clue about this part of the world, let alone Aboriginals  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #27 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:03pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:00pm:
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:56pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:51pm:
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:47pm:
Well considering that 'Western' (Political) culture only knows about 'Asian' culture (can't even say the racial 'yellow') and 'Black' race (can't even say the cultural 'Bantu').

It knows sweet FA about Black 'culture' (let alone Yellow 'race').

So little wonder that the Westerners (Anglos/Irish/Scottish/Welsh) had absolutely no idea about this part of the world (The Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, Malaysian, Chinese ...possibly the Germans, French and even more so - the Phoenicians, knew about it before hand).

Even when they landed, they couldn't fathom much about the way of life here and depended heavily on the local Eora Aboriginals (which is why things were so 'harmonious' for awhile  Roll Eyes) - TO SURVIVE as a ramshackle Penal Colony.

Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson were taught in schools as the men who 'found' the way across the Great Dividing Range ...but in truth the Dharruk Aboriginals 'showed' them the way.
Pure Propaganda crap!

If it wasn't for the Aboriginals - the 'Western' efforts here would have just defaulted.
Later, the Westerners stabbed the aboriginals in the back and the massacres began.
Much like HG-Wells: War of the Worlds.  Grin

...but we know that 'Western' (Political) culture here is capitulating via corruption, sexual sterility and an unprogressive future of any originality.


Thankfully the 'Eastern' (Slavic) Europeans are making a far better effort here in Australia (which will be renamed with a more 'slavic' version
  Wink)


I can't believe how full of shi'ite you are Jasin, you know they are all the same people if you leave out the Phoenicians. Do you have a random thought generator or something?




Spanish, Portuguese, French are 'Grey' Latin peoples.
German, Dutch are 'Red' Celtic peoples (because 'Green' is the colour of South Americans and 'olive' skinned people  Grin Cheesy Tongue)

Face it - Celtics/Western Euros belong in North America ...where they ran away to like cowards from the problems of Europe. Hell, even Americans are trying to run away to Mars and the problems of Earth (typical 'Western' psyche  Roll Eyes)


You do know the Celts ruled from Ireland to Turkey at one stage? The Spanish were Celts, the French, the Swiss, the Hungarians, the Poles. Celtic is/was not a race but a culture. In fact Celtic culture first blossomed in Switzerland.




WOT A LOAD OF CUM CRAP!!!

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Reply #28 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:05pm
 
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:03pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:00pm:
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:56pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:51pm:
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:47pm:
Well considering that 'Western' (Political) culture only knows about 'Asian' culture (can't even say the racial 'yellow') and 'Black' race (can't even say the cultural 'Bantu').

It knows sweet FA about Black 'culture' (let alone Yellow 'race').

So little wonder that the Westerners (Anglos/Irish/Scottish/Welsh) had absolutely no idea about this part of the world (The Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, Malaysian, Chinese ...possibly the Germans, French and even more so - the Phoenicians, knew about it before hand).

Even when they landed, they couldn't fathom much about the way of life here and depended heavily on the local Eora Aboriginals (which is why things were so 'harmonious' for awhile  Roll Eyes) - TO SURVIVE as a ramshackle Penal Colony.

Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson were taught in schools as the men who 'found' the way across the Great Dividing Range ...but in truth the Dharruk Aboriginals 'showed' them the way.
Pure Propaganda crap!

If it wasn't for the Aboriginals - the 'Western' efforts here would have just defaulted.
Later, the Westerners stabbed the aboriginals in the back and the massacres began.
Much like HG-Wells: War of the Worlds.  Grin

...but we know that 'Western' (Political) culture here is capitulating via corruption, sexual sterility and an unprogressive future of any originality.


Thankfully the 'Eastern' (Slavic) Europeans are making a far better effort here in Australia (which will be renamed with a more 'slavic' version
  Wink)


I can't believe how full of shi'ite you are Jasin, you know they are all the same people if you leave out the Phoenicians. Do you have a random thought generator or something?




Spanish, Portuguese, French are 'Grey' Latin peoples.
German, Dutch are 'Red' Celtic peoples (because 'Green' is the colour of South Americans and 'olive' skinned people  Grin Cheesy Tongue)

Face it - Celtics/Western Euros belong in North America ...where they ran away to like cowards from the problems of Europe. Hell, even Americans are trying to run away to Mars and the problems of Earth (typical 'Western' psyche  Roll Eyes)


You do know the Celts ruled from Ireland to Turkey at one stage? The Spanish were Celts, the French, the Swiss, the Hungarians, the Poles. Celtic is/was not a race but a culture. In fact Celtic culture first blossomed in Switzerland.




WOT A LOAD OF CUM CRAP!!!

Roll Eyes

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Hallstatt is known for its production of salt, dating back to prehistoric times, and gave its name to the Hallstatt culture, a culture often linked to Celtic and Proto-Celtic people of the Early Iron Age Europe, c.800–450 BC. Some of the earliest archaeological evidence for the Celts was found in Hallstatt.
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Reply #30 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:11pm
 
You're such a PURITANT (celtic) RACIST SetantaGrin

Europe was overlapped by all four major European Tribes: Celts, Slavs, Scandi and Latins.

To say that any one tribe 'dominated' an area specifically, let alone Europe as a whole - is totally 'racist'.

Europe was a cacophony of mixture. Scandis were known as 'Russos' over in Russia before Slavic culture also intergrated. Latins (Romans) were well mixed in the British Isles while the Celts were still living amongst the trees.
Etc, etc, etc.

It's only being in the last 600 years that the 'boundaries' and 'majorities' have taken hold in the East, West, North & South of Europe.
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Reply #31 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:11pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:31pm:
FD bring back mothra and JS wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


So, when will mothra and JS be unbanned or at least you summon up the manhood to tell them the reason for the ban?


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Going by your Map. You would have us consider that all that 'coloured' part of Europe to represent 'Celtic' was all totally and only and puritantly populated by
RED-HAIRED PEOPLE
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..but lets face it Setanta,

REAL Celtic people are
'Rangas' -
right  Wink Grin

...none of these 'fraud' Celtics with 'Blue' Brunette hair and 'Grey' Raven Hair (from North & South of Europe  WinkGrin

RIGHT SETANTA
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Reply #34 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:20pm
 

So back to the original Topic at hand:

Western/Celtic/Political - specifically Anglo-Irish perceptions and understandings of this part of the world,
has been somewhat ...a WANK.  Grin
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Reply #35 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:21pm
 
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:11pm:
You're such a PURITANT (celtic) RACIST SetantaGrin

Europe was overlapped by all four major European Tribes: Celts, Slavs, Scandi and Latins.

To say that any one tribe 'dominated' an area specifically, let alone Europe as a whole - is totally 'racist'.

Europe was a cacophony of mixture. Scandis were known as 'Russos' over in Russia before Slavic culture also intergrated. Latins (Romans) were well mixed in the British Isles while the Celts were still living amongst the trees.
Etc, etc, etc.

It's only being in the last 600 years that the 'boundaries' and 'majorities' have taken hold in the East, West, North & South of Europe.


It's not racist at all, the Italics were limited to Italy until Rome emerged, you'll notice in that map with the green, yellow is the "homeland", light green is the extent of their expansion. Northern Italy was named "cisapline Gaul(Gaul this side of the alps)" by Rome for a reason. The same reason you can tell the difference quite easily between northerners and southerners in Italy to this day. Much of the lower half of Italy was ruled by Greeks(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Graecia) for a while.
Let's sort one thing out at a time, eh? We can work on the Vikings later.
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Reply #36 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:32pm
 
Genetics is more easily displaced, thrown around, spread and isolated. It's really nothing (and never was) to rely upon to describe 'Culture' - especially when BEING ROMAN, was not based upon 'genetic' appearance or RACE.

Being Roman - was a 'cultural' thing and so to was being Celtic (Western), Latin (Southern), Scandinavian (Northern) and Slavic (Eastern).

Even now - the Karelian peoples of Russia still 'culturally' consider themselves 'Scandinavian' due to the 'early' Rouse past.


So here's this little 'ramshackle' 'Western' (Political/Celtic) culture in EORA country down here in the SAHULIAN region of the world...

...but hey, we all know 'Westerners' have NO IDEA about this part of the world and thus can only 'compute' the idea that they are living in SOUTH ASIA (Austral-asia)  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Westerners/Politicals - are absolute RETARDS in this part of the world.  Grin Grin Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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FD bring back mothra and JS wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:11pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:31pm:
FD bring back mothra and JS wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


So, when will mothra and JS be unbanned or at least you summon up the manhood to tell them the reason for the ban?


Oh, piss off.

You are FD, are you?

I intend to keep on asking.


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Reply #38 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:35pm
 
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:32pm:
Genetics is more easily displaced, thrown around, spread and isolated. It's really nothing (and never was) to rely upon to describe 'Culture' - especially when BEING ROMAN, was not based upon 'genetic' appearance or RACE.

Being Roman - was a 'cultural' thing and so to was being Celtic (Western), Latin (Southern), Scandinavian (Northern) and Slavic (Eastern).

Even now - the Karelian peoples of Russia still 'culturally' consider themselves 'Scandinavian' due to the 'early' Rouse past.


So here's this little 'ramshackle' 'Western' (Political/Celtic) culture in EORA country down here in the SAHULIAN region of the world...

...but hey, we all know 'Westerners' have NO IDEA about this part of the world and thus can only 'compute' the idea that they are living in SOUTH ASIA (Austral-asia)  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Westerners/Politicals - are absolute RETARDS in this part of the world.  Grin Grin Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


So what the smack are you on about then? Only a few posts back you were all different. Rather than think of others as retards perhaps you should look at who is feeding you this shi'ite.

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Reply #39 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:39pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:35pm:
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:32pm:
Genetics is more easily displaced, thrown around, spread and isolated. It's really nothing (and never was) to rely upon to describe 'Culture' - especially when BEING ROMAN, was not based upon 'genetic' appearance or RACE.

Being Roman - was a 'cultural' thing and so to was being Celtic (Western), Latin (Southern), Scandinavian (Northern) and Slavic (Eastern).

Even now - the Karelian peoples of Russia still 'culturally' consider themselves 'Scandinavian' due to the 'early' Rouse past.


So here's this little 'ramshackle' 'Western' (Political/Celtic) culture in EORA country down here in the SAHULIAN region of the world...

...but hey, we all know 'Westerners' have NO IDEA about this part of the world and thus can only 'compute' the idea that they are living in SOUTH ASIA (Austral-asia)  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Westerners/Politicals - are absolute RETARDS in this part of the world.  Grin Grin Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


So what the smack are you on about then? Only a few posts back you were all different. Rather than think of others as retards perhaps you should look at who is feeding you this shi'ite.




Just remember. If it wasn't for the Aboriginals (your 'fellow' Australians) - you all wouldn't be here!
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Reply #40 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:43pm
 
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:39pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:35pm:
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:32pm:
Genetics is more easily displaced, thrown around, spread and isolated. It's really nothing (and never was) to rely upon to describe 'Culture' - especially when BEING ROMAN, was not based upon 'genetic' appearance or RACE.

Being Roman - was a 'cultural' thing and so to was being Celtic (Western), Latin (Southern), Scandinavian (Northern) and Slavic (Eastern).

Even now - the Karelian peoples of Russia still 'culturally' consider themselves 'Scandinavian' due to the 'early' Rouse past.


So here's this little 'ramshackle' 'Western' (Political/Celtic) culture in EORA country down here in the SAHULIAN region of the world...

...but hey, we all know 'Westerners' have NO IDEA about this part of the world and thus can only 'compute' the idea that they are living in SOUTH ASIA (Austral-asia)  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Westerners/Politicals - are absolute RETARDS in this part of the world.  Grin Grin Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


So what the smack are you on about then? Only a few posts back you were all different. Rather than think of others as retards perhaps you should look at who is feeding you this shi'ite.




Just remember. If it wasn't for the Aboriginals (your 'fellow' Australians) - you all wouldn't be here!
Wink


Yeah? Why? If the land was really "terra nullius" we would never have survived it? Really? Think about the spread of man from his homeland, we have conquered the planet, why do you think without aboriginals here first(which destroys your argument anyway), man could not make use of it as he has done everywhere, no matter how harsh. Who feeds you this crap? It's not like we would not be here if they did not invite us.


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The early Penal Settlement was going to fail.
The men couldn't cut the trees, they couldn't feed themselves.
They were 'aliens' in an alien world and they were slowly dying.
If it wasn't for the Aboriginals who helped them, fed them, watered them, helped them make fires - the 'colony' would have perished before the next shipment of...

...people smuggling.

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Reply #42 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:08am
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:32pm:
FD bring back mothra and JS wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:11pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:31pm:
FD bring back mothra and JS wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


So, when will mothra and JS be unbanned or at least you summon up the manhood to tell them the reason for the ban?


Oh, piss off.

You are FD, are you?

I intend to keep on asking.


And you'll continue to be irrelevant and counter productive. Go you!



FD has been asked, politely by various people, via PM and publicly when the ban will be over or asked to give a reason for the bans.

Hammer got away with a pedo reference that would have got me a 3 month suspension, as we knew he would.

Banning people indefinitely without a reason is smacking rude! You butting into a conversation and telling me to piss off is also smacking rude.
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Reply #43 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:15am
 
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:57pm:
The early Penal Settlement was going to fail.
The men couldn't cut the trees, they couldn't feed themselves.
They were 'aliens' in an alien world and they were slowly dying.
If it wasn't for the Aboriginals who helped them, fed them, watered them, helped them make fires - the 'colony' would have perished before the next shipment of...

...people smuggling.

100 percent nonsense, just like most of your posts. Complete rubbish.
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Reply #44 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:25am
 
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:57pm:
The early Penal Settlement was going to fail.
The men couldn't cut the trees, they couldn't feed themselves.
They were 'aliens' in an alien world and they were slowly dying.
If it wasn't for the Aboriginals who helped them, fed them, watered them, helped them make fires - the 'colony' would have perished before the next shipment of...

...people smuggling.


Aborigines did nothing of anything that can be construed as helpful. In fact, during the starvation period of the first fleeters, aborigines would simply walk into the camp and just steal the goods that were in storage. The settlers were too weak to do anything about it.

Even when governor Phillip wanted to dialogue with aborigines, they ran off or did not want anything to do with the new arrivals.
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Reply #45 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:36am
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:31pm:
FD bring back mothra and JS wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


So, when will mothra and JS be unbanned or at least you summon up the manhood to tell them the reason for the ban?


Oh, piss off.


Moderators, address this language immediately.
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Reply #46 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:39am
 
FD bring back mothra and JS wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:08am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:32pm:
FD bring back mothra and JS wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:11pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:31pm:
FD bring back mothra and JS wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


So, when will mothra and JS be unbanned or at least you summon up the manhood to tell them the reason for the ban?


Oh, piss off.

You are FD, are you?

I intend to keep on asking.


And you'll continue to be irrelevant and counter productive. Go you!



FD has been asked, politely by various people, via PM and publicly when the ban will be over or asked to give a reason for the bans.

Hammer got away with a pedo reference that would have got me a 3 month suspension, as we knew he would.

Banning people indefinitely without a reason is smacking rude! You butting into a conversation and telling me to piss off is also smacking rude.


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Reply #47 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:46am
 
FD bring back mothra and JS wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:08am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:32pm:
FD bring back mothra and JS wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:11pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:31pm:
FD bring back mothra and JS wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


So, when will mothra and JS be unbanned or at least you summon up the manhood to tell them the reason for the ban?


Oh, piss off.

You are FD, are you?

I intend to keep on asking.


And you'll continue to be irrelevant and counter productive. Go you!



FD has been asked, politely by various people, via PM and publicly when the ban will be over or asked to give a reason for the bans.

Hammer got away with a pedo reference that would have got me a 3 month suspension, as we knew he would.

Banning people indefinitely without a reason is smacking rude! You butting into a conversation and telling me to piss off is also smacking rude.


Perhaps you should take it to PM rather than a public forum where all are welcome to comment.
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Karnal wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:36am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:31pm:
FD bring back mothra and JS wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


So, when will mothra and JS be unbanned or at least you summon up the manhood to tell them the reason for the ban?


Oh, piss off.


Moderators, address this language immediately.


OK, suitabley addressed. I'll ban my wayward self until the morning. Good night.


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I think there's a bit of embellishing here. The indigenous peoples were not a complex civilisation. They didn't have writing; they didn't have large urban settlements; no surplus of agriculture; and they didn't have the capital and coercive institutions we see in other civilisations.

This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself: no empire has ever lasted even a fraction of that time. They indigenous peoples also left the environment untouched and pristine.

If we recognise the uniqueness of indigenous culture, rather than trying to retell history in order to satisfy the progressives, then we can fully more appreciate indigenous culture for what it is.




You don't think that maybe it had something to do with the shear size and remoteness of this land that allowed them to live for donkeys without farming.
They'd burn thousands of hectares of land... then move on. They were lazy back then and they still are.
If they had any threats like vikings etc they would have been wiped out....lucky some pommies landed here and developed a liking for them and eventually allowed them to remain uncivilised as they can so freely be today, if they wish.
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Reply #50 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:35am
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:46am:
FD bring back mothra and JS wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:08am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:32pm:
FD bring back mothra and JS wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:11pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:31pm:
FD bring back mothra and JS wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


So, when will mothra and JS be unbanned or at least you summon up the manhood to tell them the reason for the ban?


Oh, piss off.

You are FD, are you?

I intend to keep on asking.


And you'll continue to be irrelevant and counter productive. Go you!



FD has been asked, politely by various people, via PM and publicly when the ban will be over or asked to give a reason for the bans.

Hammer got away with a pedo reference that would have got me a 3 month suspension, as we knew he would.

Banning people indefinitely without a reason is smacking rude! You butting into a conversation and telling me to piss off is also smacking rude.


Perhaps you should take it to PM rather than a public forum where all are welcome to comment.

Several people have asked FD by PM, I have PMd him more than once on the subject. Never get the courtesy of a reply let alone reason for the bans or a time limit of the bans.

I have also asked FD to spend a little bit of time looking after his Forum, appoint some MRB Mods, get rid of Mods that are useless like Booby. Jasin would like to Mod travel, Spot would like to Mod Books, why doesn’t FD spend two seconds appointing them?

Why does he not give you some Admin privileges so you can appoint/remove MRB Mods?
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Reply #51 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:39am
 
Monk can't even stick to his own subject....  Grin

you have to wonder if it was just another Troll Thread to start up pissing and moaning about the Moderators again...

what a loser... 

get over yourself you self important twat... Roll Eyes
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Mr Pascoe said he had grown up with stories of massacres, separation of families and institutional racism, but he had not heard about the wonders of Aboriginal agriculture until late on in his life.

He said it “fell into its path” as he searched for the story of his own family history when he met elders of his own Aboriginal family.

“When I spoke to them, I was taken to task because of my own misunderstanding of history and the stuff I had learned at school,” he said.

“Once I realised that my reading of history was appalling, I then had to refurbish my own brain and once I did that and started reading a few explorers’ journals, I began to realise that an unbelievably different story to be told about the country and I couldn’t believe how stupid I had been.”

Mr Pascoe said there was a bit of backlash against his ideas from certain historians when he first started writing about his theories in 2013, but since then, he said the majority of people he has spoken to, especially young people, have been enthusiastic about his arguments.

Now he wants Australians to look at the settlers’ journals and decide which version of history they believe.

“Teachers are just teaching what they learnt in school, so we need to expand resources so they and the children can access the journals,” he said. “Then, they can make their own mind up about what our history was really like.”



https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/indigenous-historian-bruce-pascoe...

I posted this here as requested by mothra. When will the unjustified ban on mothra and JS be lifted?? FD?


Still being the lap dog ey?

It's been done to death ... one man Bruce Pascoe is re-writing history to make him feel better about his origins.

I suppose then there shouldn't be any criticisms of the 30 plus year research & theories by Grahame Walsh regarding the Bradshaw Rock Art in the Kimberley that has been poohooed by anthropologists because he suggested it was made by other than ancestors of modern day australian aboriginals?

Bruce Pascoes fanciful story of intensive farming /agriculture, irrigation, intricate village housing & populations of/by Aboriginals pre-colonisation is a nonsense.

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Reply #53 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 9:48am
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:01pm:
There's evidence they had a space agency abiut 10000 years before white colonisation and had actually developed faster than light space travel. They found exploring the universe rather boring and gave it all up for sticks and goon.


Don't forget the time travel machine... it's in a secret cave under Ayers Rock which is why they want to close it off to Whartey...

Are there any actual documents on show here or is this just a fine piece of editorial?  You can talk about wonderful Aboriginal culture including the telescope, time travel, space travel, and massive infrastructure - but where are the documents that support this?


Don't forget their Universities.  Roll Eyes Grin
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.JaSin. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:39pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:35pm:
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:32pm:
Genetics is more easily displaced, thrown around, spread and isolated. It's really nothing (and never was) to rely upon to describe 'Culture' - especially when BEING ROMAN, was not based upon 'genetic' appearance or RACE.

Being Roman - was a 'cultural' thing and so to was being Celtic (Western), Latin (Southern), Scandinavian (Northern) and Slavic (Eastern).

Even now - the Karelian peoples of Russia still 'culturally' consider themselves 'Scandinavian' due to the 'early' Rouse past.


So here's this little 'ramshackle' 'Western' (Political/Celtic) culture in EORA country down here in the SAHULIAN region of the world...

...but hey, we all know 'Westerners' have NO IDEA about this part of the world and thus can only 'compute' the idea that they are living in SOUTH ASIA (Austral-asia)  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Westerners/Politicals - are absolute RETARDS in this part of the world.  Grin Grin Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


So what the smack are you on about then? Only a few posts back you were all different. Rather than think of others as retards perhaps you should look at who is feeding you this shi'ite.




Just remember. If it wasn't for the Aboriginals (your 'fellow' Australians) - you all wouldn't be here!
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Grin Grin take another one of whatever you're taking you're getting a roll on now.  Grin
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.JaSin. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:57pm:
The early Penal Settlement was going to fail.
The men couldn't cut the trees, they couldn't feed themselves.
They were 'aliens' in an alien world and they were slowly dying.
If it wasn't for the Aboriginals who helped them, fed them, watered them, helped them make fires - the 'colony' would have perished before the next shipment of...

...people smuggling.



Grin You dill .... you're out doing yourself now.

What were Aboriginals cutting down hardwood trees with?

Stone axes?
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Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
Haha.
Abos with houses and farms and cooking and parks and dams and wells and....BULLCRAP! They were to thick to have a wheel....which would have been required before any of the other claims....  Grin
Haha....
If throwing a roo on a fire complete with fur and guts etc is classed as baking......then yes, they can bake.


The Mayans come to mind as an advanced ancient civilisation that didn't conceive the idea of using the wheel for transportation. All the things you described wouldn't have needed the wheel.

It wouldn't surprise me if the claims of this author are partially true, but I believe that some claims may be exaggerated. The First Fleet arrived on the 18th of January, 1788, in Botany Bay. They left soon afterwards for Sydney Cove because the conditions differed from James Cook's description at the time and were deemed unsuitable for a settlement.
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Reply #57 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 11:27am
 
They had no nwed for a written language and mathematics because they never advanced further than being hunter gatherers.
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Reply #58 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 11:34am
 
The Mechanic wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 8:37pm:
yes... and lets not forget the tooth fairy..  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


In a nutshell. Well said old boy.

The beauty of oral history, you can just keep making it up, because it is all bulshite anyway.

The massive intellects that never noticed that logs roll.
They did invent rocks, and sticks though.

Hey cuz, hook up the wombat, we got some ploughin' ta do. Cheesy

I can understand aboriginals wishing this crap were true, but the snowflakes should get it through their heads,
JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE REALITY, DOES NOT MAKE IT NOT REALITY.
Just like trans activists declaring there is no such thing as MALE and FEMALE, because to deny reality suits their insanity.
Respecting them does not help, them, or anybody else.
It is time they were just told to stop pissing about and wake up to themselves.
You can have your own opinions, but you CANNOT have your own FACTS.
Fekin loons. Fair dinkum they are poppin' up like mushrooms on a damp day.
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Mr Pascoe said he had grown up with stories of massacres, separation of families and institutional racism, but he had not heard about the wonders of Aboriginal agriculture until late on in his life.

He said it “fell into its path” as he searched for the story of his own family history when he met elders of his own Aboriginal family.

“When I spoke to them, I was taken to task because of my own misunderstanding of history and the stuff I had learned at school,” he said.

“Once I realised that my reading of history was appalling, I then had to refurbish my own brain and once I did that and started reading a few explorers’ journals, I began to realise that an unbelievably different story to be told about the country and I couldn’t believe how stupid I had been.”

Mr Pascoe said there was a bit of backlash against his ideas from certain historians when he first started writing about his theories in 2013, but since then, he said the majority of people he has spoken to, especially young people, have been enthusiastic about his arguments.

Now he wants Australians to look at the settlers’ journals and decide which version of history they believe.

“Teachers are just teaching what they learnt in school, so we need to expand resources so they and the children can access the journals,” he said. “Then, they can make their own mind up about what our history was really like.”



https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/indigenous-historian-bruce-pascoe...

I posted this here as requested by mothra. When will the unjustified ban on mothra and JS be lifted?? FD?

Mothra is an idiot: you aren't the fascist overlord of the world brutha!
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Karnal wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:36am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:31pm:
FD bring back mothra and JS wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


So, when will mothra and JS be unbanned or at least you summon up the manhood to tell them the reason for the ban?


Oh, piss off.


Moderators, address this language immediately.

Moderators don't have to explain themselves to dumb feminist idiots!  Cheesy

Dumb feminist idiots wouldn't even explain themselves to their own fellow dumb feminist idiots !!

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Why does she need to post here? Doesn't your forum satisfy her needs?

Yes, but  apparently getting slaves to spread her shite is more satisfying!

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There's evidence they had a space agency abiut 10000 years before white colonisation and had actually developed faster than light space travel. They found exploring the universe rather boring and gave it all up for sticks and goon.

Like the irish in that family guy episode, lol!

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Reply #63 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:10pm
 
Well - where are the settler's journals?  All I see so far is rhetoric and the same apparent occurrence as the mysterious disappearance of John Smith's Golden Tablets of Mormon...  God apparently handed him golden tablets on which was written a 'new law of god', like those of Moses, but nobody ever saw them and they mysteriously vanished.  Mohamed couldn't have done better out there in Nowheresland.

Same thing seems to have happened to all the 'documentary evidence' for this position of Pascoe's.... so we are expected to rely on his chats with family members long after the events.

'young people are enthusiastic about the idea' - young people steeped in the religion of Victimhood are always enthusiastic about anything anyone hands them as Gospel - since they lack the experience, often the education, and certainly the nous to know the difference.

The ex and I used to play a game when traveling around - somewhere in South America an archaeologist saw the shapes of an extinct civilisation's buildings in land forms - turned out to be right....... so the ex and I would go around looking for conical hills that could likely be Aboriginal pyramids..... The Treeless Plain near Cooma is full of them.... all dedicated to the study of medicine, astronomy, the arts, philosophy, and science...... oh - and time and space travel....  Shocked
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Reply #64 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:37pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
I think there's a bit of embellishing here. The indigenous peoples were not a complex civilisation. They didn't have writing; they didn't have large urban settlements; no surplus of agriculture; and they didn't have the capital and coercive institutions we see in other civilisations.

This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself: no empire has ever lasted even a fraction of that time. They indigenous peoples also left the environment untouched and pristine.

If we recognise the uniqueness of indigenous culture, rather than trying to retell history in order to satisfy the progressives, then we can fully more appreciate indigenous culture for what it is.


They were not what one would classify as a civilisation or empire now, were they? It's like saying people have "survived" in Africa for 500k years, that does not mean there was any civilisation or empire involved.


Civilisation has many meanings and connotations. When I talk about a civilisation, I'm talking about a specific type of social and political organisation of a society that can be categorised as 'complex'. Complex doesn't mean better or superior. It's just different. Complexity means that are more intertwining and inter-connected facets.

On the other hand, we can use the term civilisation to refer to a culture which is more civilised than another; i.e. the latter is barbaric and primitive.
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FD bring back mothra and JS wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 8:24pm:
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Mr Pascoe said he had grown up with stories of massacres, separation of families and institutional racism, but he had not heard about the wonders of Aboriginal agriculture until late on in his life.

He said it “fell into its path” as he searched for the story of his own family history when he met elders of his own Aboriginal family.

“When I spoke to them, I was taken to task because of my own misunderstanding of history and the stuff I had learned at school,” he said.

“Once I realised that my reading of history was appalling, I then had to refurbish my own brain and once I did that and started reading a few explorers’ journals, I began to realise that an unbelievably different story to be told about the country and I couldn’t believe how stupid I had been.”

Mr Pascoe said there was a bit of backlash against his ideas from certain historians when he first started writing about his theories in 2013, but since then, he said the majority of people he has spoken to, especially young people, have been enthusiastic about his arguments.

Now he wants Australians to look at the settlers’ journals and decide which version of history they believe.

“Teachers are just teaching what they learnt in school, so we need to expand resources so they and the children can access the journals,” he said. “Then, they can make their own mind up about what our history was really like.”



https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/indigenous-historian-bruce-pascoe...

I posted this here as requested by mothra. When will the unjustified ban on mothra and JS be lifted?? FD?

Mothra is an idiot: you aren't the fascist overlord of the world brutha!


So, you believe being an idiot warrants a ban?? Unless you know the real reason why they were banned?
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?
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Karnal wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:36am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:31pm:
FD bring back mothra and JS wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


So, when will mothra and JS be unbanned or at least you summon up the manhood to tell them the reason for the ban?


Oh, piss off.


Moderators, address this language immediately.


They ought address your language & inferences first.
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RE: the original OP.

Pascoes version of history is a far from correct as you can get.

And all his writings should be classed as fiction or childrens fairytales.
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Reply #69 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:57pm
 
What a load of codswallop Monk....  what were you taught at school?
Were you taught what was claimed in the article...  I wasn't.
Were some Aborigines/Tribes nomadic hunters and gatherers...  well yes some were.

Does the term "walkabout" mean anything to you?

Were there signs of cities and permanent buildings of any stature? No... The wheel perhaps?  Domestication and or breeding of animals for food perhaps?  Agriculture on any large scale? Any major inventions or technology perhaps?

Anywhere in Australia? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


That's usually how things work out. Not even the aborigines are volunteering to live like their ancestors.
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Spot on. Where's all this technology in the 'traditional' Aboriginal communities in 2018? The only traditions I see in Aboriginal communities is grog and crime.
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freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:15pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


That's usually how things work out. Not even the aborigines are volunteering to live like their ancestors.


So, is the White Man superior to the Indigenous Man, genetically?
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Reply #73 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:30pm
 
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


It's a reasonable yardstick.

I actually think all this revisionist crap by handwringing lefties trying to elevate Aboriginal culture to mystical levels is actually more racist than accurately characterising what their society was actually like.

Just accept what they were and the reasons they never evolved a complex society or technology because of isolation.

Humans mingling with other groups and sharing ideas is what drove progress (and still does) and Aboriginals mostly lacked that and any group of humans isolated for so long would probably have similar results.

I have no problem saying their culture was the least advanced of any humans while accepting they're still people worthy of their hopes and dreams being fulfilled.
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freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


It's a reasonable yardstick.

I actually think all this revisionist crap by handwringing lefties trying to elevate Aboriginal culture to mystical levels is actually more racist than accurately characterising what their society was actually like.

Just accept what they were and the reasons they never evolved a complex society or technology because of isolation.

Humans mingling with other groups and sharing ideas is what drove progress (and still does) and Aboriginals mostly lacked that and any group of humans isolated for so long would probably have similar results.

I have no problem saying their culture was the least advanced of any humans while accepting they're still people worthy of their hopes and dreams being fulfilled.


So long as we always hold on to the principal that 'no person is beneath dignity'. We must treat everyone humanely and equally under the law.
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I equate this to historical revisions painting the Nazis in a positive light because of their technological developments. Should one's feelings dictate the way we view history?
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Gordon wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:30pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


It's a reasonable yardstick.

I actually think all this revisionist crap by handwringing lefties trying to elevate Aboriginal culture to mystical levels is actually more racist than accurately characterising what their society was actually like.

Just accept what they were and the reasons they never evolved a complex society or technology because of isolation.

Humans mingling with other groups and sharing ideas is what drove progress (and still does) and Aboriginals mostly lacked that and any group of humans isolated for so long would probably have similar results.

I have no problem saying their culture was the least advanced of any humans while accepting they're still people worthy of their hopes and dreams being fulfilled.



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John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:15pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


That's usually how things work out. Not even the aborigines are volunteering to live like their ancestors.


So, is the White Man superior to the Indigenous Man, genetically?


I understand we have a higher tolerance for alcohol.
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Reply #78 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:42pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:41pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:15pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


That's usually how things work out. Not even the aborigines are volunteering to live like their ancestors.


So, is the White Man superior to the Indigenous Man, genetically?


I understand we have a higher tolerance for alcohol.


Is this your attempt to evade answers to questions, so that I can't quote you as being a racist?
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John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:41pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:15pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


That's usually how things work out. Not even the aborigines are volunteering to live like their ancestors.


So, is the White Man superior to the Indigenous Man, genetically?


I understand we have a higher tolerance for alcohol.


Is this your attempt to evade answers to questions, so that I can't quote you as being a racist?


No.
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Reply #80 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:46pm
 
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:15pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


That's usually how things work out. Not even the aborigines are volunteering to live like their ancestors.


So, is the White Man superior to the Indigenous Man, genetically?


No, but there are probably still physical difficulties they need to overcome.

Aboriginals have been doing things the same way for an awfully long time and it will take a while for them to adapt to modernity. They've been using their brains the same way for 50k years with no maths, no written language.

Whitey has only been here for bout 250 years yet many Aboriginals are only in their first or second generation of literacy.

It's going to take a while.
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Reply #81 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:41pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:15pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


That's usually how things work out. Not even the aborigines are volunteering to live like their ancestors.


So, is the White Man superior to the Indigenous Man, genetically?


I understand we have a higher tolerance for alcohol.


Is this your attempt to evade answers to questions, so that I can't quote you as being a racist?


No.


So, answer the question: yes or no?
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UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:25am:
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:57pm:
The early Penal Settlement was going to fail.
The men couldn't cut the trees, they couldn't feed themselves.
They were 'aliens' in an alien world and they were slowly dying.
If it wasn't for the Aboriginals who helped them, fed them, watered them, helped them make fires - the 'colony' would have perished before the next shipment of...

...people smuggling.


Aborigines did nothing of anything that can be construed as helpful. In fact, during the starvation period of the first fleeters, aborigines would simply walk into the camp and just steal the goods that were in storage. The settlers were too weak to do anything about it.

Even when governor Phillip wanted to dialogue with aborigines, they ran off or did not want anything to do with the new arrivals.


What a croc of Imperialistic White PROPAGANDA

...just like Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson: Glorious White dudes who 'struggled' to find the way across the Great Dividing Land as the 'history' books said.
While Aboriginals had numerous 'paths' across and one just for the hapless whities to follow.  Roll Eyes

One only has to look at the MEDIA and its USA infused CORRUPTION of other nation's histories and cultures.
It's this same 'Bull-crapola' that infested Australian colonialism as propaganda.

Come to Australia, get Aboriginals to help them, then stab them in the back.
Good example of the 'white backstab' happened to a Victorian Tribe who 'lived up to' the White Standards, but were still backstabbed.

Even today - 'Western' Anglo Australians can't cut the mustard here: all Gay, nil breeding capacity and the Political system can only 'afford' to be in power here if the women are working for the economy and not population growth. Tongue
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I don't think you are truly addressing the arguments in the OP, Jas. The English came to Australia to take ownership and advantage of her land and resources. The natives, a tough and resilient group of people,  were swept aside. That's well established. What is up for debate is contentions by left-wing historians that we've all besn lied to about how advanced and 'civilised' the aborigines were. There just isn't the evidence to support these claims.
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Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28am:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
I think there's a bit of embellishing here. The indigenous peoples were not a complex civilisation. They didn't have writing; they didn't have large urban settlements; no surplus of agriculture; and they didn't have the capital and coercive institutions we see in other civilisations.

This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself: no empire has ever lasted even a fraction of that time. They indigenous peoples also left the environment untouched and pristine.

If we recognise the uniqueness of indigenous culture, rather than trying to retell history in order to satisfy the progressives, then we can fully more appreciate indigenous culture for what it is.




You don't think that maybe it had something to do with the shear size and remoteness of this land that allowed them to live for donkeys without farming.
They'd burn thousands of hectares of land... then move on. They were lazy back then and they still are.
If they had any threats like vikings etc they would have been wiped out....lucky some pommies landed here and developed a liking for them and eventually allowed them to remain uncivilised as they can so freely be today, if they wish.


Actually, Auggie is kinda right.

Aboriginal culture was not complex in regards to
1. Military
2. constructing Temples, Buildings, Military Fortifications
3. Religion via Mythologies
4. Dependent on River systems for Agriculture
5. WAR for Power.
etc, etc

But their culture was the best ever example of attaining 'Oneness' with the Environment.
I have no doubt that the 10,000 year drought scuttled the Aboriginal culture that left us with a 'shadow' of its former glory previously, when the World came to visit.

Aboriginals turned Australia into one of the most manicured 'Real Estates' on the planet. Australia itself was one big NATURAL farm of productivity and harvest.
Vast 'Parklands' (quoted by early Explorers) where Roos/Emus abounded, of vast forests with pathways galore.
The WHOLE continent was basically an eco-system ...a 'Garden'.

Then the retarded white people came with their 'superior civilisation' entirely in servitude to the 'citi-Zens' of Asia.  Roll Eyes Took them over 200 years to improve their Farming methods ...by which time they had chopped down 80% of Australia's Forestry (which makes 'rain')  Roll Eyes to achieve it. ===retards

It's quite obvious that when it comes to 'natural' Farming - the Blacks are far superior. Even now when it comes to 'commercial' Farming the Blacks look like over-taking the Whites on that level too. Check out all the 'black' Farmers out there in the 'sun' where the Whities burn.
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One myth I am sick of hearing is that Aboriginals lived in harmony with nature.

Total nonsense, they wiped out species, changed the vegetation and introduced a feral species.

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.JaSin. wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28am:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
I think there's a bit of embellishing here. The indigenous peoples were not a complex civilisation. They didn't have writing; they didn't have large urban settlements; no surplus of agriculture; and they didn't have the capital and coercive institutions we see in other civilisations.

This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself: no empire has ever lasted even a fraction of that time. They indigenous peoples also left the environment untouched and pristine.

If we recognise the uniqueness of indigenous culture, rather than trying to retell history in order to satisfy the progressives, then we can fully more appreciate indigenous culture for what it is.




You don't think that maybe it had something to do with the shear size and remoteness of this land that allowed them to live for donkeys without farming.
They'd burn thousands of hectares of land... then move on. They were lazy back then and they still are.
If they had any threats like vikings etc they would have been wiped out....lucky some pommies landed here and developed a liking for them and eventually allowed them to remain uncivilised as they can so freely be today, if they wish.


Actually, Auggie is kinda right.

Aboriginal culture was not complex in regards to
1. Military
2. constructing Temples, Buildings, Military Fortifications
3. Religion via Mythologies
4. Dependent on River systems for Agriculture
5. WAR for Power.
etc, etc

But their culture was the best ever example of attaining 'Oneness' with the Environment.
I have no doubt that the 10,000 year drought scuttled the Aboriginal culture that left us with a 'shadow' of its former glory previously, when the World came to visit.

Aboriginals turned Australia into one of the most manicured 'Real Estates' on the planet. Australia itself was one big NATURAL farm of productivity and harvest.
Vast 'Parklands' (quoted by early Explorers) where Roos/Emus abounded, of vast forests with pathways galore.
The WHOLE continent was basically an eco-system ...a 'Garden'.

Then the retarded white people came with their 'superior civilisation' entirely in servitude to the 'citi-Zens' of Asia.  Roll Eyes Took them over 200 years to improve their Farming methods ...by which time they had chopped down 80% of Australia's Forestry (which makes 'rain')  Roll Eyes to achieve it. ===retards

It's quite obvious that when it comes to 'natural' Farming - the Blacks are far superior. Even now when it comes to 'commercial' Farming the Blacks look like over-taking the Whites on that level too. Check out all the 'black' Farmers out there in the 'sun' where the Whities burn.
Grin


Except for massive levels of starvation and malnutrition in Africa and the sub-continent, of course.
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New 
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Old


Nth America     V       Asia
Sahul (Aust)     V       Africa
Sth America      V       Europe
Oceania            V       Middle-East


...get your tickets now!


*Note:

It's really Oceania on the side of Africa, Asia & Europe.
While the Middle-East supports the New Worlds.


...hence why the Oceanian 'MEDIA' just can't deal with Australia, USA anymore  Wink
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Everything conspired in the USA & Australia has been the MEDIA culture and its 'corruption' of these countries.

But now, they are being turfed out to Oceania where they belong.
There - they can spruik their African, European, Asian bias to their hearts content.
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I think you need a break Auggie... the "R" word seems to be a preoccupation with you lately...  you keep trying to pin it on people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk....
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.JaSin. wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:55pm:
Everything conspired in the USA & Australia has been the MEDIA culture and its 'corruption' of these countries.

But now, they are being turfed out to Oceania where they belong.
There - they can spruik their African, European, Asian bias to their hearts content.


So just to cherry pick here. Do you think agricultural production is more efficient in Australia or Africa?
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.JaSin. wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28am:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
I think there's a bit of embellishing here. The indigenous peoples were not a complex civilisation. They didn't have writing; they didn't have large urban settlements; no surplus of agriculture; and they didn't have the capital and coercive institutions we see in other civilisations.

This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself: no empire has ever lasted even a fraction of that time. They indigenous peoples also left the environment untouched and pristine.

If we recognise the uniqueness of indigenous culture, rather than trying to retell history in order to satisfy the progressives, then we can fully more appreciate indigenous culture for what it is.




You don't think that maybe it had something to do with the shear size and remoteness of this land that allowed them to live for donkeys without farming.
They'd burn thousands of hectares of land... then move on. They were lazy back then and they still are.
If they had any threats like vikings etc they would have been wiped out....lucky some pommies landed here and developed a liking for them and eventually allowed them to remain uncivilised as they can so freely be today, if they wish.


Actually, Auggie is kinda right.

Aboriginal culture was not complex in regards to
1. Military
2. constructing Temples, Buildings, Military Fortifications
3. Religion via Mythologies
4. Dependent on River systems for Agriculture
5. WAR for Power.
etc, etc

But their culture was the best ever example of attaining 'Oneness' with the Environment.
I have no doubt that the 10,000 year drought scuttled the Aboriginal culture that left us with a 'shadow' of its former glory previously, when the World came to visit.

Aboriginals turned Australia into one of the most manicured 'Real Estates' on the planet. Australia itself was one big NATURAL farm of productivity and harvest.
Vast 'Parklands' (quoted by early Explorers) where Roos/Emus abounded, of vast forests with pathways galore.
The WHOLE continent was basically an eco-system ...a 'Garden'.

Then the retarded white people came with their 'superior civilisation' entirely in servitude to the 'citi-Zens' of Asia.  Roll Eyes Took them over 200 years to improve their Farming methods ...by which time they had chopped down 80% of Australia's Forestry (which makes 'rain')  Roll Eyes to achieve it. ===retards

It's quite obvious that when it comes to 'natural' Farming - the Blacks are far superior. Even now when it comes to 'commercial' Farming the Blacks look like over-taking the Whites on that level too. Check out all the 'black' Farmers out there in the 'sun' where the Whities burn.
Grin


For low populations I have no doubt that this country was thriving. But trying to feed a multiplying population that is leaning more and more to life "preservation", and taking out natural selection, the lands had to be cleared to farm. We need to eat. That is why abo populations were low. They could never have supplied enough food for an expanding population.

Also, with no outside threat of invasion they were left to just "be animals". They addapted to this land. But to say they created gardens etc is not correct. The land existed how it was, it was never made that way by the abo populations. Remains of their camps are still present to this day. They raped the land for everything it had and then moved on. This gave that abandoned land time to rejuvenate by itself. There was no revegitaion programs etc. It was natural. So if there was 10 milliin abos back then they wouldnhave had to work out better ways to supply food.
The same would happen today if we were wiped out. Sure our buildings and structures would remain for a long time but plants and animals would take over and the land would slowley rejuvenate itself.
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.JaSin. wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28am:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
I think there's a bit of embellishing here. The indigenous peoples were not a complex civilisation. They didn't have writing; they didn't have large urban settlements; no surplus of agriculture; and they didn't have the capital and coercive institutions we see in other civilisations.

This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself: no empire has ever lasted even a fraction of that time. They indigenous peoples also left the environment untouched and pristine.

If we recognise the uniqueness of indigenous culture, rather than trying to retell history in order to satisfy the progressives, then we can fully more appreciate indigenous culture for what it is.




You don't think that maybe it had something to do with the shear size and remoteness of this land that allowed them to live for donkeys without farming.
They'd burn thousands of hectares of land... then move on. They were lazy back then and they still are.
If they had any threats like vikings etc they would have been wiped out....lucky some pommies landed here and developed a liking for them and eventually allowed them to remain uncivilised as they can so freely be today, if they wish.


Actually, Auggie is kinda right.

Aboriginal culture was not complex in regards to
1. Military
2. constructing Temples, Buildings, Military Fortifications
3. Religion via Mythologies
4. Dependent on River systems for Agriculture
5. WAR for Power.
etc, etc

But their culture was the best ever example of attaining 'Oneness' with the Environment.
I have no doubt that the 10,000 year drought scuttled the Aboriginal culture that left us with a 'shadow' of its former glory previously, when the World came to visit.

Aboriginals turned Australia into one of the most manicured 'Real Estates' on the planet. Australia itself was one big NATURAL farm of productivity and harvest.
Vast 'Parklands' (quoted by early Explorers) where Roos/Emus abounded, of vast forests with pathways galore.
The WHOLE continent was basically an eco-system ...a 'Garden'.

Then the retarded white people came with their 'superior civilisation' entirely in servitude to the 'citi-Zens' of Asia.  Roll Eyes Took them over 200 years to improve their Farming methods ...by which time they had chopped down 80% of Australia's Forestry (which makes 'rain')  Roll Eyes to achieve it. ===retards

It's quite obvious that when it comes to 'natural' Farming - the Blacks are far superior. Even now when it comes to 'commercial' Farming the Blacks look like over-taking the Whites on that level too. Check out all the 'black' Farmers out there in the 'sun' where the Whities burn.
Grin


No wonder you are leaving Ozpol .... you must be having a really bad day ..... what a load of bollocks.

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Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 8:38am:
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28am:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
I think there's a bit of embellishing here. The indigenous peoples were not a complex civilisation. They didn't have writing; they didn't have large urban settlements; no surplus of agriculture; and they didn't have the capital and coercive institutions we see in other civilisations.

This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself: no empire has ever lasted even a fraction of that time. They indigenous peoples also left the environment untouched and pristine.

If we recognise the uniqueness of indigenous culture, rather than trying to retell history in order to satisfy the progressives, then we can fully more appreciate indigenous culture for what it is.




You don't think that maybe it had something to do with the shear size and remoteness of this land that allowed them to live for donkeys without farming.
They'd burn thousands of hectares of land... then move on. They were lazy back then and they still are.
If they had any threats like vikings etc they would have been wiped out....lucky some pommies landed here and developed a liking for them and eventually allowed them to remain uncivilised as they can so freely be today, if they wish.


Actually, Auggie is kinda right.

Aboriginal culture was not complex in regards to
1. Military
2. constructing Temples, Buildings, Military Fortifications
3. Religion via Mythologies
4. Dependent on River systems for Agriculture
5. WAR for Power.
etc, etc

But their culture was the best ever example of attaining 'Oneness' with the Environment.
I have no doubt that the 10,000 year drought scuttled the Aboriginal culture that left us with a 'shadow' of its former glory previously, when the World came to visit.

Aboriginals turned Australia into one of the most manicured 'Real Estates' on the planet. Australia itself was one big NATURAL farm of productivity and harvest.
Vast 'Parklands' (quoted by early Explorers) where Roos/Emus abounded, of vast forests with pathways galore.
The WHOLE continent was basically an eco-system ...a 'Garden'.

Then the retarded white people came with their 'superior civilisation' entirely in servitude to the 'citi-Zens' of Asia.  Roll Eyes Took them over 200 years to improve their Farming methods ...by which time they had chopped down 80% of Australia's Forestry (which makes 'rain')  Roll Eyes to achieve it. ===retards

It's quite obvious that when it comes to 'natural' Farming - the Blacks are far superior. Even now when it comes to 'commercial' Farming the Blacks look like over-taking the Whites on that level too. Check out all the 'black' Farmers out there in the 'sun' where the Whities burn.
Grin


For low populations I have no doubt that this country was thriving. But trying to feed a multiplying population that is leaning more and more to life "preservation", and taking out natural selection, the lands had to be cleared to farm. We need to eat. That is why abo populations were low. They could never have supplied enough food for an expanding population.

Also, with no outside threat of invasion they were left to just "be animals". They addapted to this land. But to say they created gardens etc is not correct. The land existed how it was, it was never made that way by the abo populations. Remains of their camps are still present to this day. They raped the land for everything it had and then moved on. This gave that abandoned land time to rejuvenate by itself. There was no revegitaion programs etc. It was natural. So if there was 10 milliin abos back then they wouldnhave had to work out better ways to supply food.
The same would happen today if we were wiped out. Sure our buildings and structures would remain for a long time but plants and animals would take over and the land would slowley rejuvenate itself.


Fire & the use of fire by Aboriginals is oft quoted as having a changing effect on this continents landscape.

The arid heart hasn't always been an arid heart.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-15098959

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https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-15098959

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Fixed

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The photo(Milky Way) has no resemblance to an emu to me & Reg Abrahams is just another Bruce Pascoe.
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Gnads wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:57am:
The photo(Milky Way) has no resemblance to an emu to me & Reg Abrahams is just another Bruce Pascoe. 


The star photo probably is not a good representation of what you can see in the outback without light pollution. 

Similar to say the scorpius

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpius

Which can probably be interpreted as a rose with a stem.  So, something like this does not have to be absolute representation, but relative.
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'Oneness with the environment'?  They had no choice - they were born into it, they struggled with it for short lives, they died in it.....

By that reasoning every 'culture' has achieved oneness with its environment... we should be lauding to high heaven the Arab culture of survival in the desert... or the Africans beating off the hordes of ravenous wildlife intent on consuming them.... or the Picts pushing the Romans out(what Roman in his right mind would want to control Scotland?) ...

There is no Added Virtue in surviving within an environment... it is a simple fact of life and death.

I think we can leave it to 'simple respect for their ability to get by in a hostile environment in which they no longer live' and Move On!!
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Thanks Grap saved me a post.
Scholars have already refuted the myth of the noble savage and utopian existence.  Greenies and children show such ignorance.
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Some may think me a meanie for holding such views - but I never met an Aboriginal I didn't like.....

.... their kids taste just as good whether roasted, barbecued with sauce, fried, boiled, or spit roasted or even turned into a stew.... love kids .. eat two of 'em for breakfast every morning... gotta watch out for the small bones, though....
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If aborigines used all the things then where is the  archeological evidence. Even the boomerang was used by other ancient peoples around the world so they didn't invent that either. What a load of crap.
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I think this is what Pascoe is referring to.  I think....

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/is-this-mysterious-site-australias-stonehenge/news-story/c1dc16df2aeb9003a288acf6c7e5d243
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I think this is what Pascoe is referring to.  I think....

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/is-this-mysterious-site-australias-s...


Fixed again.

And a grouping of stones in some shape doesn't mean anything like what Pascoe or his mate Abrahams are inferring.

They did that to make fish traps as well.

They still use stone walled fish traps.

That mound sounds like it awful close to Nimbin ...

I wonder what them Hippies mighta been up to ey?  Grin
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Didn't the Bush Tucker Man reckon that the aboriginals could have lived quite well "off the land" and that running fast to catch a kangaroo for the BBQ made their legs skinny and their bums big? Rather like the African-Americans.
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Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.
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According to Brian's article, the aborigines "farmed" the land by burning the grass and hunting the roos that later came to eat the fresh growth. If we set the bar that low, then I am farming fish every time I burley up.

Any idea what Pascoe means when he talks about sheds and houses?

John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:53pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:41pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:15pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


That's usually how things work out. Not even the aborigines are volunteering to live like their ancestors.


So, is the White Man superior to the Indigenous Man, genetically?


I understand we have a higher tolerance for alcohol.


Is this your attempt to evade answers to questions, so that I can't quote you as being a racist?


No.


So, answer the question: yes or no?


In what way was my previous answer unclear?
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Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


The Original Indigenous Peoples didn't even discover FIRE.

They didn't get past the neanderthal, and still haven't.
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Not at all.

If the Right wants to win arguments and enhance its support among the population, it needs to work with moderates (such as myself) and come to a consensus.

I'm not going to compromise with you if you're a flat-out racist. Prove to me you're not, and I'll reach you halfway. That's more than what the Left are even willing to do.
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freediver wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 5:11pm:
According to Brian's article, the aborigines "farmed" the land by burning the grass and hunting the roos that later came to eat the fresh growth. If we set the bar that low, then I am farming fish every time I burley up.

Any idea what Pascoe means when he talks about sheds and houses?

John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:53pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:41pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:15pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


That's usually how things work out. Not even the aborigines are volunteering to live like their ancestors.


So, is the White Man superior to the Indigenous Man, genetically?


I understand we have a higher tolerance for alcohol.


Is this your attempt to evade answers to questions, so that I can't quote you as being a racist?


No.


So, answer the question: yes or no?


In what way was my previous answer unclear?


You didn't answer yes or no. You made up some whimsical example about how we 'can tolerate wine better'. That's an insufficient answer.
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Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

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FD bring back mothra and JS wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:11pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


So, when will mothra and JS be unbanned or at least you summon up the manhood to tell them the reason for the ban?


Oh, piss off.

You are FD, are you?

I intend to keep on asking.


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John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.
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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


Still the least developed human societies.


Yes, but you've assimilated, Gordon. You fingered that Boong.

Intact, wasn't he?
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I've listened to a few dream time stories. I don't recall mention of wells, farms, dams etc. History isn't something that's determined by what 'feels good'.
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Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


Still the least developed human societies.


Yes, but you've assimilated, Gordon. You fingered that Boong.

Intact, wasn't he?


Don't you get bored of lying?
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I've listened to a few dream time stories.


Homo went to school with one.
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Aboriginal maths.  LoL

They didn't store goods or trade extensively so no need to count.
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Karnal wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:39pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


Still the least developed human societies.


Yes, but you've assimilated, Gordon. You fingered that Boong.

Intact, wasn't he?


Don't you get bored of lying?


Down the back of the Dubbo oval after the game. You said.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:39pm:
I've listened to a few dream time stories.


Homo went to school with one.


I've heard the one about the tinted call-centre employee who served in Nam. (Drinks at the Nambucca Hotel.)
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There are many accounts of English settlers in North America who went over to live with the Native Americans, who "went native" because life was so much better with them than in a miserable colony. While I have read Australian history, I can't think of any similar tales off hand, but there must be some ... but I don't think the living was as good with the Abos as it was with the Indians.
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Aboriginal maths.  LoL

They didn't store goods or trade extensively so no need to count.


He thinks he's better than us, Homo. Superior culture, innit.

They invented a Plastibell.
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You're pretty much an aborigine. So, cram your 'us' with chestnuts.
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There are many accounts of English settlers in North America who went over to live with the Native Americans, who "went native" because life was so much better with them than in a miserable colony. While I have read Australian history, I can't think of any similar tales off hand, but there must be some ... but I don't think the living was as good with the Abos as it was with the Indians.


Didn't a few stage coach drivers go live with indians?
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You're pretty much an aborigine..


Oh, I know. We grew here, Homo, Gordon flew here.

They invented a Sheldon Shield.

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Did they own plates or were they uber, Gordy?
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Karnal wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:50pm:
You're pretty much an aborigine..


Oh, I know. We grew here, Homo, Gordon flew here.

They invented a Sheldon Shield.


I suppose you did...when Australia was part of Gondwana.
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Karnal wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:50pm:
You're pretty much an aborigine..


Oh, I know. We grew here, Homo, Gordon flew here.

They invented a Sheldon Shield.


I suppose you did...when Australia was part of Gondwane.


Full blood Dharug from Western Sydney. We invented a stick. Intact.

You?
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Descendent of the men that killed your ancestors.
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AiA wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:47pm:
There are many accounts of English settlers in North America who went over to live with the Native Americans, who "went native" because life was so much better with them than in a miserable colony. While I have read Australian history, I can't think of any similar tales off hand, but there must be some ... but I don't think the living was as good with the Abos as it was with the Indians.


Didn't a few stage coach drivers go live with indians?



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It's pretty funny how the lefties always try to anthropomorphise Abos.
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Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:52pm:
AiA wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:47pm:
There are many accounts of English settlers in North America who went over to live with the Native Americans, who "went native" because life was so much better with them than in a miserable colony. While I have read Australian history, I can't think of any similar tales off hand, but there must be some ... but I don't think the living was as good with the Abos as it was with the Indians.


Didn't a few stage coach drivers go live with indians?



Yes, to trade whiskey for beaded seat covers  Smiley



Didn't they have Bundy Rum?
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AiA wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:01pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:52pm:
AiA wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:47pm:
There are many accounts of English settlers in North America who went over to live with the Native Americans, who "went native" because life was so much better with them than in a miserable colony. While I have read Australian history, I can't think of any similar tales off hand, but there must be some ... but I don't think the living was as good with the Abos as it was with the Indians.


Didn't a few stage coach drivers go live with indians?



Yes, to trade whiskey for beaded seat covers  Smiley



Didn't they have Bundy Rum?


Yes, a tablespoon of Bundy Rum in the baby bottle calmed the infants right down ...
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It's pretty funny how the lefties always try to anthropomorphise Abos.


Oh? I've never visited one of you people's Belview Hill homes without a dot painting hanging on a feature wall.

Homo knows what I mean. He hasn't been to a leafy white enclave since he was speared by a front-lawn Aborigine.
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Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:03pm:
It's pretty funny how the lefties always try to anthropomorphise Abos.


Oh? I've never visited one of you people's Belview Hill homes without a dot painting hanging on a feature wall.

Homo knows what I mean. He hasn't been to a leafy white enclave since he was speared by a front-lawn Aborigine.



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Karnal wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:03pm:
It's pretty funny how the lefties always try to anthropomorphise Abos.


Oh? I've never visited one of you people's Belview Hill homes without a dot painting hanging on a feature wall.

Homo knows what I mean. He hasn't been to a leafy white enclave since he was speared by a front-lawn Aborigine.
Funny thing about dot paintings, they arent an Aboriginal invention.
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Karnal wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:03pm:
It's pretty funny how the lefties always try to anthropomorphise Abos.


Oh? I've never visited one of you people's Belview Hill homes without a dot painting hanging on a feature wall.

Homo knows what I mean. He hasn't been to a leafy white enclave since he was speared by a front-lawn Aborigine.

The only dot paintings I see out my way are on Indian ladies foreheads dear.
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Rhino wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:16am:
Karnal wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:03pm:
It's pretty funny how the lefties always try to anthropomorphise Abos.


Oh? I've never visited one of you people's Belview Hill homes without a dot painting hanging on a feature wall.

Homo knows what I mean. He hasn't been to a leafy white enclave since he was speared by a front-lawn Aborigine.
Funny thing about dot paintings, they arent an Aboriginal invention.


Good point. Photo-realism, innit.
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Karnal wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:25pm:
Rhino wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:16am:
Karnal wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:03pm:
It's pretty funny how the lefties always try to anthropomorphise Abos.


Oh? I've never visited one of you people's Belview Hill homes without a dot painting hanging on a feature wall.

Homo knows what I mean. He hasn't been to a leafy white enclave since he was speared by a front-lawn Aborigine.
Funny thing about dot paintings, they arent an Aboriginal invention.


Good point. Photo-realism, innit.

Multicultural realism babe.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:17pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:03pm:
It's pretty funny how the lefties always try to anthropomorphise Abos.


Oh? I've never visited one of you people's Belview Hill homes without a dot painting hanging on a feature wall.

Homo knows what I mean. He hasn't been to a leafy white enclave since he was speared by a front-lawn Aborigine.

The only dot paintings I see out my way are on Indian ladies foreheads dear.


Not Pakis?

Shurely shome mishtake.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:27pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:25pm:
Rhino wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:16am:
Karnal wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:03pm:
It's pretty funny how the lefties always try to anthropomorphise Abos.


Oh? I've never visited one of you people's Belview Hill homes without a dot painting hanging on a feature wall.

Homo knows what I mean. He hasn't been to a leafy white enclave since he was speared by a front-lawn Aborigine.
Funny thing about dot paintings, they arent an Aboriginal invention.


Good point. Photo-realism, innit.

Multicultural realism babe.


That's right. Dot paintings weren't around until the 1970s, as every schoolboy knows.
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Reply #142 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:32pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:27pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:25pm:
Rhino wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:16am:
Karnal wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:03pm:
It's pretty funny how the lefties always try to anthropomorphise Abos.


Oh? I've never visited one of you people's Belview Hill homes without a dot painting hanging on a feature wall.

Homo knows what I mean. He hasn't been to a leafy white enclave since he was speared by a front-lawn Aborigine.
Funny thing about dot paintings, they arent an Aboriginal invention.


Good point. Photo-realism, innit.

Multicultural realism babe.


That's right. Dot paintings weren't around until the 1970s, as every schoolboy knows.

Bit later than that karnal. Can't go anywhere without seeing  some miserable looking Indian nowadays.
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Reply #143 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:55pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:32pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:27pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:25pm:
Rhino wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:16am:
Karnal wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:03pm:
It's pretty funny how the lefties always try to anthropomorphise Abos.


Oh? I've never visited one of you people's Belview Hill homes without a dot painting hanging on a feature wall.

Homo knows what I mean. He hasn't been to a leafy white enclave since he was speared by a front-lawn Aborigine.
Funny thing about dot paintings, they arent an Aboriginal invention.


Good point. Photo-realism, innit.

Multicultural realism babe.


That's right. Dot paintings weren't around until the 1970s, as every schoolboy knows.

Bit later than that karnal. Can't go anywhere without seeing  some miserable looking Indian nowadays.


Oh? They always look quite jolly to me.

That makes us miserable, no?
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Reply #144 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:57pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


Still the least developed human societies.


Also the longest lasting culture the world has known, one which invented sophisticated means of living using a stick, Gordon.   Plonk a white person down in the middle of Woop-Woop and they'd survive how long?   Plonk an Indigenous person down there and they'd still be alive happily when you came to collect them again.    White colonists were lucky the Indigenous Australians took pity on them, otherwise they'd have died of thirst or starved to death when they first arrived.   Roll Eyes
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I've listened to a few dream time stories. I don't recall mention of wells, farms, dams etc. History isn't something that's determined by what 'feels good'.


White words for white things, Hammer.  Indigenous Australians used black words for the same things.   Such a colonist mindset you have.  Completely unable to accept the reality that Colonists described.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Aboriginal maths.  LoL

They didn't store goods or trade extensively so no need to count.


Their trade routes covered thousands of kilometres, Gordon. 
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Reply #147 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:03pm
 
AiA wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:47pm:
There are many accounts of English settlers in North America who went over to live with the Native Americans, who "went native" because life was so much better with them than in a miserable colony. While I have read Australian history, I can't think of any similar tales off hand, but there must be some ... but I don't think the living was as good with the Abos as it was with the Indians.


Quite a few white convicts, shipwrecked sailors and castaways lived long lives with Indigenous Australians for many, many years. AiA.   Look them up with a websearch.
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Reply #148 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:08pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:57pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


Still the least developed human societies.


Also the longest lasting culture the world has known, one which invented sophisticated means of living using a stick, Gordon.   Plonk a white person down in the middle of Woop-Woop and they'd survive how long?   Plonk an Indigenous person down there and they'd still be alive happily when you came to collect them again.    White colonists were lucky the Indigenous Australians took pity on them, otherwise they'd have died of thirst or starved to death when they first arrived.   Roll Eyes

How very racist and wrong of YOU bwian.
PLONKING people down in places and making assumptions about an individual's ability to survive is tenuous at best.  Know lots of Aboriginals happy to live as they do today, would be lost in the outback, no survival skills bwian  Whereas some....  what did you call them?  Oh yeah WHITE people...  would survive quite well. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
tsk, tsk, tsk bwian. 

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Reply #149 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 5:57pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


They may be more sophisticated, Brian, but they don't have the characteristics that are required to be a 'complex' civilisation according to the anthropological view: i.e. writing; large urban settlements; division of labour; domination over the nature environment, etc.

That doesn't mean that complex means superior; it just means it was different. The indigenous civilisation was unique; that they were able to survive continously for tens of thousands of years is remarkable. No Western civilisation has ever lasted a fraction of that time.

I just don't think that we should try to denigrate the achievements of other civlisations at the expense of trying to hype up another civilisation.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:39pm:
I've listened to a few dream time stories. I don't recall mention of wells, farms, dams etc. History isn't something that's determined by what 'feels good'.


White words for white things, Hammer.  Indigenous Australians used black words for the same things.   Such a colonist mindset you have.  Completely unable to accept the reality that Colonists described.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:39pm:
I've listened to a few dream time stories. I don't recall mention of wells, farms, dams etc. History isn't something that's determined by what 'feels good'.


White words for white things, Hammer.  Indigenous Australians used black words for the same things.   Such a colonist mindset you have.  Completely unable to accept the reality that Colonists described.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

You are absolutely full of s h it Brian. A brainwashed leftist. I feel sorry for you.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Hammer.  Unable to face reality?  Tsk, tsk, you need to put down your White supremacist bullshit and start reading what really was found by the Colonist.  Roll Eyes
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:39pm:
I've listened to a few dream time stories. I don't recall mention of wells, farms, dams etc. History isn't something that's determined by what 'feels good'.


White words for white things, Hammer.  Indigenous Australians used black words for the same things.   Such a colonist mindset you have.  Completely unable to accept the reality that Colonists described.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

You are absolutely full of s h it Brian. A brainwashed leftist. I feel sorry for you.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Hammer.  Unable to face reality?  Tsk, tsk, you need to put down your White supremacist bullshit and start reading what really was found by the Colonist.  Roll Eyes

I know loads about aboriginal stoneage technology Brian. A stone fish trap which traps fish when the tide runs out is hardly aquaculture Brian. A hole in  sandstone with a rock on top is hardly a well. People like you are trying to re-write history like the fascists you are. Lucky you didn't face combat because I don't think it's in you. It was with the colonists though. They were tough. You are your typical modern Australian who is killing our country.
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Reply #153 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:47pm
 
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 5:57pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


They may be more sophisticated, Brian, but they don't have the characteristics that are required to be a 'complex' civilisation according to the anthropological view: i.e. writing; large urban settlements; division of labour; domination over the nature environment, etc.

That doesn't mean that complex means superior; it just means it was different. The indigenous civilisation was unique; that they were able to survive continously for tens of thousands of years is remarkable. No Western civilisation has ever lasted a fraction of that time.

I just don't think that we should try to denigrate the achievements of other civlisations at the expense of trying to hype up another civilisation.


According to anthropological views, the Ancient Europeans, the Ancient Chinese and the Aztecs and Inca were not equipped to become advanced civilisations.  As Anthropology was created to foster European imperialism and it's views on "race", I doubt it has much value in judging the value of cultures, Augie.   Indigenous Australians developed their culture and their technology to suit their circumstances.  Some of the Colonists described their culture and technology accurate, most ignored those writings in preference for the myths they chose to construct about them.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #154 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:54pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 5:57pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


They may be more sophisticated, Brian, but they don't have the characteristics that are required to be a 'complex' civilisation according to the anthropological view: i.e. writing; large urban settlements; division of labour; domination over the nature environment, etc.

That doesn't mean that complex means superior; it just means it was different. The indigenous civilisation was unique; that they were able to survive continously for tens of thousands of years is remarkable. No Western civilisation has ever lasted a fraction of that time.

I just don't think that we should try to denigrate the achievements of other civlisations at the expense of trying to hype up another civilisation.


According to anthropological views, the Ancient Europeans, the Ancient Chinese and the Aztecs and Inca were not equipped to become advanced civilisations.  As Anthropology was created to foster European imperialism and it's views on "race", I doubt it has much value in judging the value of cultures, Augie.   Indigenous Australians developed their culture and their technology to suit their circumstances.  Some of the Colonists described their culture and technology accurate, most ignored those writings in preference for the myths they chose to construct about them.    Roll Eyes

The ancient Europeans learnt to smelter metal Brian. Bronze and then iron. That's what propelled them into the modern age. It never occurred to the aborigines and that is the reason they got left behind. Without metal land could not be cleared for widespread farming. Widespread ploughing could not be performed. That's why I know aborigines never did widespread farming. They didn't have metal. That's why I know they didn't do a lot of things. It was impossible without metal.
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Reply #155 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:55pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:45pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:35pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:39pm:
I've listened to a few dream time stories. I don't recall mention of wells, farms, dams etc. History isn't something that's determined by what 'feels good'.


White words for white things, Hammer.  Indigenous Australians used black words for the same things.   Such a colonist mindset you have.  Completely unable to accept the reality that Colonists described.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

You are absolutely full of s h it Brian. A brainwashed leftist. I feel sorry for you.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Hammer.  Unable to face reality?  Tsk, tsk, you need to put down your White supremacist bullshit and start reading what really was found by the Colonist.  Roll Eyes

I know loads about aboriginal stoneage technology Brian. A stone fish trap which traps fish when the tide runs out is hardly aquaculture Brian. A hole in  sandstone with a rock on top is hardly a well. People like you are trying to re-write history like the fascists you are. Lucky you didn't face combat because I don't think it's in you. It was with the colonists though. They were tough. You are your typical modern Australian who is killing our country.


You appear still unwilling to face what the Colonists wrote about the Indigenous Australians, Hammer.

Aquaculture is about the raising of sea food for human consumption, whether it uses stone or plastic is immaterial.   A "well" consists of a means of finding water, it doesn't matter how it is constructed.

As to whether or not I would have survived combat is outside this discussion, Hammer.  Indeed that you feel the need to mention just goes to show desperate you are to try and distract me.   How about we actually stick to the discussion.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #156 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:56pm
 
JollyGreenGiant wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:31pm:
Didn't the Bush Tucker Man reckon that the aboriginals could have lived quite well "off the land" and that running fast to catch a kangaroo for the BBQ made their legs skinny and their bums big? Rather like the African-Americans.


They certainly did live off the land ... I don't know about how well ... I spose they suffered in droughts as well .... but in reality they had no choice ... they were here a long time so they had to learn to thrive to survive.

Yep skinny legs ... but certainly didn't have an arse like an African ... in fact most had no arse much at all.

Do not confuse them with many of those today that live off softdrink & junk foods & suffer diabetes & renal disease.
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Reply #157 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:59pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:55pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:45pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:35pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:39pm:
I've listened to a few dream time stories. I don't recall mention of wells, farms, dams etc. History isn't something that's determined by what 'feels good'.


White words for white things, Hammer.  Indigenous Australians used black words for the same things.   Such a colonist mindset you have.  Completely unable to accept the reality that Colonists described.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

You are absolutely full of s h it Brian. A brainwashed leftist. I feel sorry for you.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Hammer.  Unable to face reality?  Tsk, tsk, you need to put down your White supremacist bullshit and start reading what really was found by the Colonist.  Roll Eyes

I know loads about aboriginal stoneage technology Brian. A stone fish trap which traps fish when the tide runs out is hardly aquaculture Brian. A hole in  sandstone with a rock on top is hardly a well. People like you are trying to re-write history like the fascists you are. Lucky you didn't face combat because I don't think it's in you. It was with the colonists though. They were tough. You are your typical modern Australian who is killing our country.


You appear still unwilling to face what the Colonists wrote about the Indigenous Australians, Hammer.

Aquaculture is about the raising of sea food for human consumption, whether it uses stone or plastic is immaterial.   A "well" consists of a means of finding water, it doesn't matter how it is constructed.

As to whether or not I would have survived combat is outside this discussion, Hammer.  Indeed that you feel the need to mention just goes to show desperate you are to try and distract me.   How about we actually stick to the discussion.  Roll Eyes

People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.
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Reply #158 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:00pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 5:57pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


They may be more sophisticated, Brian, but they don't have the characteristics that are required to be a 'complex' civilisation according to the anthropological view: i.e. writing; large urban settlements; division of labour; domination over the nature environment, etc.

That doesn't mean that complex means superior; it just means it was different. The indigenous civilisation was unique; that they were able to survive continously for tens of thousands of years is remarkable. No Western civilisation has ever lasted a fraction of that time.

I just don't think that we should try to denigrate the achievements of other civlisations at the expense of trying to hype up another civilisation.


According to anthropological views, the Ancient Europeans, the Ancient Chinese and the Aztecs and Inca were not equipped to become advanced civilisations.  As Anthropology was created to foster European imperialism and it's views on "race", I doubt it has much value in judging the value of cultures, Augie.   Indigenous Australians developed their culture and their technology to suit their circumstances.  Some of the Colonists described their culture and technology accurate, most ignored those writings in preference for the myths they chose to construct about them.    Roll Eyes


I think you're talking about modern 'race theory' which is pseudoscience and has no basis in fact or even science. What I'm talking about is the definition of a 'complex civilisation'. We are recognise that civilisations evolved different according to those circumstances. Some evolved within complexity; others to a varying degree; and others didn't.

Where I would differ from the bigots is that I don't believe one is superior to any other; they're just different. The mistake of our ancestors was to believe that any person was beneath dignity, which was and still is wrong.

The Indigenous Peoples have an amazing culture and history, and we should recognise it for what it was. No, they didn't build pyramids because they didn't have to; but neither did they have slavery on a massive scale.
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Reply #159 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:01pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


Grin Not by Grahame Abrahams & Bruce Pascoe.

That's all it is a fairytale thought bubble.

Wondered how long it would be before you made an entrance ......

I forgot you used to teach in that Aboriginal University in a Western Australian City 5,000 years ago.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #160 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:01pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 5:57pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


They may be more sophisticated, Brian, but they don't have the characteristics that are required to be a 'complex' civilisation according to the anthropological view: i.e. writing; large urban settlements; division of labour; domination over the nature environment, etc.

That doesn't mean that complex means superior; it just means it was different. The indigenous civilisation was unique; that they were able to survive continously for tens of thousands of years is remarkable. No Western civilisation has ever lasted a fraction of that time.

I just don't think that we should try to denigrate the achievements of other civlisations at the expense of trying to hype up another civilisation.


According to anthropological views, the Ancient Europeans, the Ancient Chinese and the Aztecs and Inca were not equipped to become advanced civilisations.  As Anthropology was created to foster European imperialism and it's views on "race", I doubt it has much value in judging the value of cultures, Augie.   Indigenous Australians developed their culture and their technology to suit their circumstances.  Some of the Colonists described their culture and technology accurate, most ignored those writings in preference for the myths they chose to construct about them.    Roll Eyes

The ancient Europeans learnt to smelter metal Brian. Bronze and then iron. That's what propelled them into the modern age. It never occurred to the aborigines and that is the reason they got left behind. Without metal land could not be cleared for widespread farming. Widespread ploughing could not be performed. That's why I know aborigines never did widespread farming. They didn't have metal. That's why I know they didn't do a lot of things. It was impossible without metal.


And yet the Aztecs and Incas only learnt to smelt Gold and Silver, Hammer.

All nationalities lacked writing until about 5000 years ago.

The point is, under the influence of external forces they developed.  Europeans learnt about smelting metals from the Middle-Eastern civilisations.  The Middle-East from the Indians and Chinese.  Them from the South-East Asians.   Indigenous Australians were cut off by oceans, so they like the Aztecs and the Inca never learnt about Bronze, Iron and Steel.
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Reply #161 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:02pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


Grin Not by Grahame Abrahams & Bruce Pascoe.

That's all it is a fairytale thought bubble.

Wondered how long it would be before you made an entrance ......

I forgot you used to teach in that Aboriginal University in a Western Australian City 5,000 years ago.  Roll Eyes


I wasn't alive 5,000 years ago.  Tsk, tsk, such a silly statement but hey, we have come to expect them from you.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #162 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:03pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 5:57pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


They may be more sophisticated, Brian, but they don't have the characteristics that are required to be a 'complex' civilisation according to the anthropological view: i.e. writing; large urban settlements; division of labour; domination over the nature environment, etc.

That doesn't mean that complex means superior; it just means it was different. The indigenous civilisation was unique; that they were able to survive continously for tens of thousands of years is remarkable. No Western civilisation has ever lasted a fraction of that time.

I just don't think that we should try to denigrate the achievements of other civlisations at the expense of trying to hype up another civilisation.


According to anthropological views, the Ancient Europeans, the Ancient Chinese and the Aztecs and Inca were not equipped to become advanced civilisations.  As Anthropology was created to foster European imperialism and it's views on "race", I doubt it has much value in judging the value of cultures, Augie.   Indigenous Australians developed their culture and their technology to suit their circumstances.  Some of the Colonists described their culture and technology accurate, most ignored those writings in preference for the myths they chose to construct about them.    Roll Eyes

The ancient Europeans learnt to smelter metal Brian. Bronze and then iron. That's what propelled them into the modern age. It never occurred to the aborigines and that is the reason they got left behind. Without metal land could not be cleared for widespread farming. Widespread ploughing could not be performed. That's why I know aborigines never did widespread farming. They didn't have metal. That's why I know they didn't do a lot of things. It was impossible without metal.


And yet the Aztecs and Incas only learnt to smelt Gold and Silver, Hammer.

All nationalities lacked writing until about 5000 years ago.

The point is, under the influence of external forces they developed.  Europeans learnt about smelting metals from the Middle-Eastern civilisations.  The Middle-East from the Indians and Chinese.  Them from the South-East Asians.   Indigenous Australians were cut off by oceans, so they like the Aztecs and the Inca never learnt about Bronze, Iron and Steel.


The Mesoamerican civilisations had a degree of complexity to them, and so did the Andean civilisations.
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Reply #163 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:06pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 5:57pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


They may be more sophisticated, Brian, but they don't have the characteristics that are required to be a 'complex' civilisation according to the anthropological view: i.e. writing; large urban settlements; division of labour; domination over the nature environment, etc.

That doesn't mean that complex means superior; it just means it was different. The indigenous civilisation was unique; that they were able to survive continously for tens of thousands of years is remarkable. No Western civilisation has ever lasted a fraction of that time.

I just don't think that we should try to denigrate the achievements of other civlisations at the expense of trying to hype up another civilisation.


According to anthropological views, the Ancient Europeans, the Ancient Chinese and the Aztecs and Inca were not equipped to become advanced civilisations.  As Anthropology was created to foster European imperialism and it's views on "race", I doubt it has much value in judging the value of cultures, Augie.   Indigenous Australians developed their culture and their technology to suit their circumstances.  Some of the Colonists described their culture and technology accurate, most ignored those writings in preference for the myths they chose to construct about them.    Roll Eyes

The ancient Europeans learnt to smelter metal Brian. Bronze and then iron. That's what propelled them into the modern age. It never occurred to the aborigines and that is the reason they got left behind. Without metal land could not be cleared for widespread farming. Widespread ploughing could not be performed. That's why I know aborigines never did widespread farming. They didn't have metal. That's why I know they didn't do a lot of things. It was impossible without metal.


And yet the Aztecs and Incas only learnt to smelt Gold and Silver, Hammer.

All nationalities lacked writing until about 5000 years ago.

The point is, under the influence of external forces they developed.  Europeans learnt about smelting metals from the Middle-Eastern civilisations.  The Middle-East from the Indians and Chinese.  Them from the South-East Asians.   Indigenous Australians were cut off by oceans, so they like the Aztecs and the Inca never learnt about Bronze, Iron and Steel.

wiki-The earliest current evidence of copper smelting, dating from between 5500 BC and 5000 BC, has been found in Pločnik and Belovode, Serbia.


Without copper you don't get bronze. Are you sure they got it from the arabs Brian?
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It's pretty funny how the lefties always try to anthropomorphise Abos.


Oh? I've never visited one of you people's Belview Hill homes without a dot painting hanging on a feature wall.

Homo knows what I mean. He hasn't been to a leafy white enclave since he was speared by a front-lawn Aborigine.


Was his name Neville & did he live with Ted?  Roll Eyes
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Reply #165 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:09pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #166 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:12pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:57pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


Still the least developed human societies.


Also the longest lasting culture the world has known, one which invented sophisticated means of living using a stick, Gordon.   Plonk a white person down in the middle of Woop-Woop and they'd survive how long?   Plonk an Indigenous person down there and they'd still be alive happily when you came to collect them again.    White colonists were lucky the Indigenous Australians took pity on them, otherwise they'd have died of thirst or starved to death when they first arrived.   Roll Eyes


You really are deluded Brian .... the majority of Aboriginals today would perish just like Whitey ... why because they haven't been raised in Woop- Woop or taught how to survive of the land with bush tucker.

Only those in remote communities can do that .... & mostly they do that with whiteys tools today.

They are a small number of the whole population who identify as Aboriginals.
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Reply #167 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:18pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:02pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


Grin Not by Grahame Abrahams & Bruce Pascoe.

That's all it is a fairytale thought bubble.

Wondered how long it would be before you made an entrance ......

I forgot you used to teach in that Aboriginal University in a Western Australian City 5,000 years ago.  Roll Eyes


I wasn't alive 5,000 years ago.  Tsk, tsk, such a silly statement but hey, we have come to expect them from you.   Roll Eyes


It was sarcasm Brian ... you may not have taught there but you believe it existed.

There in lies your problem.
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Reply #168 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:19pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes

White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush


And yet here we are. They evolved as time went on Brian. Aborigines weren't the reason white Australians prospered Brian. That's rubbish. They prospered because they used modern technology.
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Reply #169 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:20pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes


Please explain that one?
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Reply #170 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 10:38pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:57pm:
Also the longest lasting culture the world has known, one which invented sophisticated means of living using a stick, Gordon.   Plonk a white person down in the middle of Woop-Woop and they'd survive how long?   Plonk an Indigenous person down there and they'd still be alive happily when you came to collect them again.    White colonists were lucky the Indigenous Australians took pity on them, otherwise they'd have died of thirst or starved to death when they first arrived.   Roll Eyes


Highlighted, I would considered that contentious. The conditions of the first fleeters coming off the boats at Sydney Cove was quite poor. Three years into their settlement, the settlers were in such a poor state that they would have starved to death, had it not been for resupplies after a request was made to get a ship to go get more food. The aborigines could have wiped out 1000 Europeans with not too much effort, and we would probably see nothing more than some evidence of the first fleeters landing, when the second fleet arrived.

It was not a matter of aborigines taking pity on the new arrivals. I would surmise that it could be a matter of the aborigines not finding it worthwhile to fight with the newcomers, and risk losing a few tribepeople in some conflict. Perhaps the aborigines were more curious with how the newcomers were going to proceed before making any real fight.
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Reply #171 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 10:50pm
 
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:39pm:
I've listened to a few dream time stories. I don't recall mention of wells, farms, dams etc. History isn't something that's determined by what 'feels good'.


White words for white things, Hammer.  Indigenous Australians used black words for the same things.   Such a colonist mindset you have.  Completely unable to accept the reality that Colonists described.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


If someone was listening to stories in English or some aboriginal dialect, and understood one version and/or the other, it would be quite reasonable to assume that they know what an aboriginal word for "wells, farms, dams, etc" would be translated into English. You can't say that there is not an English translation for the same thing described in an aboriginal dialect.
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Reply #172 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 8:46am
 
.. and so the Second Little Piggy built his house of sticks, but the big bad wolf arrived in a British ship and blewwwwwww the whole thing down and ate up the little piggy inside.....

So the Third Little Piggy built HIS house of stoned talk and bullshit bricks.. and the big bad wolf came along with his Captain Cook laws and he huffed and he puffed... but he could not get Ayers Rock back from that Third Little Piggy....

Wait a minute................... is that a Whartey Proof Fence yo' got dere, bro... 'round OUR Uluru.. what dem Wharte fellas call Ayers Rock??  Yo' godda smok?

"Indigenous Australians used black words for the same things.   Such a colonist mindset you have."

So Black Fullahs using Black Words is not colonist.... in the same vein.. but somehow a finer approach?  All they need is an interpreter, bro....

"Say, Jackie-Jackie... waddya call that big rock?"

"We call dat fullah Uluru, baasss!"

"Ayers Rock rolls off the tongue better..."
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Reply #173 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:32pm
 
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:08pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 5:11pm:
According to Brian's article, the aborigines "farmed" the land by burning the grass and hunting the roos that later came to eat the fresh growth. If we set the bar that low, then I am farming fish every time I burley up.

Any idea what Pascoe means when he talks about sheds and houses?

John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:53pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:41pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:15pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
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This does not mean however that they were backward. The indigenous peoples were able to live in the same way for more than 40 thousand years continuously. This is an achievement itself


And you accuse Pascoe of embellishing.


Do you equate complexity with superiority?


That's usually how things work out. Not even the aborigines are volunteering to live like their ancestors.


So, is the White Man superior to the Indigenous Man, genetically?


I understand we have a higher tolerance for alcohol.


Is this your attempt to evade answers to questions, so that I can't quote you as being a racist?


No.


So, answer the question: yes or no?


In what way was my previous answer unclear?


You didn't answer yes or no. You made up some whimsical example about how we 'can tolerate wine better'. That's an insufficient answer.


If you had a choice between genetic tolerance or intolerance of alcohol, which would you choose? Or would you ask me which is better?

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


Brian can you tell us what Pascoe means when he talks about sheds and houses?

Can you explain why burning grass to help hunt roos is a form of farming?
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Reply #174 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:40pm
 
[quote author=freediver link=1531131702/173#173 date=1531708369

Brian can you tell us what Pascoe means when he talks about sheds and houses?

Can you explain why burning grass to help hunt roos is a form of farming? [/quote]

One drawing by a settler showed some small dwellings made of assembled bits of stick and log and root timber... the second little piggy.... looked just big enough to get in and sleep in.... hardly a shed or house.....

I also read a line that said that somewhere in WA some 'settler' came upon a section of yams growing - acres of them - didn't say they were planted and cultivated .. just that there were plenty there.... and not a native in sight from that record....

Big leap to saying there was house building and cultivation on a large scale...
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Reply #175 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:42pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:57pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.


I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie.  I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records.   Some were nomadic, some weren't.   Simples, really.   The records are there.  They have basically been ignored.   Surely we should take note of what was written?  Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.


Still the least developed human societies.


Also the longest lasting culture the world has known, one which invented sophisticated means of living using a stick, Gordon.   Plonk a white person down in the middle of Woop-Woop and they'd survive how long?   Plonk an Indigenous person down there and they'd still be alive happily when you came to collect them again.    White colonists were lucky the Indigenous Australians took pity on them, otherwise they'd have died of thirst or starved to death when they first arrived.   Roll Eyes


You really are deluded Brian .... the majority of Aboriginals today would perish just like Whitey ... why because they haven't been raised in Woop- Woop or taught how to survive of the land with bush tucker.

Only those in remote communities can do that .... & mostly they do that with whiteys tools today.

They are a small number of the whole population who identify as Aboriginals.


Did I claim otherwise?  Most inidgenous kids get exposed to bush tucker and how to survive in the bush.  Most white kids spend all their time in front of a computer screen.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #176 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:42pm
 
Maybe the big one was the house and the little one was the carport.
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Reply #177 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:43pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:18pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:02pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:55pm:
Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves.  Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.


Grin Not by Grahame Abrahams & Bruce Pascoe.

That's all it is a fairytale thought bubble.

Wondered how long it would be before you made an entrance ......

I forgot you used to teach in that Aboriginal University in a Western Australian City 5,000 years ago.  Roll Eyes


I wasn't alive 5,000 years ago.  Tsk, tsk, such a silly statement but hey, we have come to expect them from you.   Roll Eyes


It was sarcasm Brian ... you may not have taught there but you believe it existed.

There in lies your problem.


Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.  Describes where you come from, rather well.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #178 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:47pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:19pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes

White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush


And yet here we are. They evolved as time went on Brian. Aborigines weren't the reason white Australians prospered Brian. That's rubbish. They prospered because they used modern technology.


The technology they had, had evolved for live in European conditions.  It was ill suited to Australia.  Without Indigenous Australians' help, the white settlers would have often starved to death or died of thirst, Hammer.   Credit where credit is due.  Indigenous Australians saved white Colonists.    Roll Eyes
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[quote author=freediver link=1531131702/173#173 date=1531708369

Brian can you tell us what Pascoe means when he talks about sheds and houses?

Can you explain why burning grass to help hunt roos is a form of farming?


One drawing by a settler showed some small dwellings made of assembled bits of stick and log and root timber... the second little piggy.... looked just big enough to get in and sleep in.... hardly a shed or house.....

I also read a line that said that somewhere in WA some 'settler' came upon a section of yams growing - acres of them - didn't say they were planted and cultivated .. just that there were plenty there.... and not a native in sight from that record....

Big leap to saying there was house building and cultivation on a large scale...
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Subtropical vine grown yams are not native to Australia.

So what ever was growing in WA it was some other native edible tuber or such.
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Reply #180 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:49pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes


Please explain that one?


Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #181 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:49pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes


Please explain that one?


Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry.   Roll Eyes

Australians run stock all over the country Brian. So every district was assisted by aborigines? Why didn't aborigines learn to make metal from visiting asian peoples?
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Reply #182 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:58pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:47pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:40pm:
[quote author=freediver link=1531131702/173#173 date=1531708369

Brian can you tell us what Pascoe means when he talks about sheds and houses?

Can you explain why burning grass to help hunt roos is a form of farming?


One drawing by a settler showed some small dwellings made of assembled bits of stick and log and root timber... the second little piggy.... looked just big enough to get in and sleep in.... hardly a shed or house.....

I also read a line that said that somewhere in WA some 'settler' came upon a section of yams growing - acres of them - didn't say they were planted and cultivated .. just that there were plenty there.... and not a native in sight from that record....

Big leap to saying there was house building and cultivation on a large scale...


Subtropical vine grown yams are not native to Australia.

So what ever was growing in WA it was some other native edible tuber or such. [/quote]

Sweet Potatoes are native to Australia.  They are commonly called a "yam".
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Reply #183 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:01pm
 
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People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes


Please explain that one?


Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry.   Roll Eyes

Australians run stock all over the country Brian. So every district was assisted by aborigines? Why didn't aborigines learn to make metal from visiting asian peoples?


Oh, dear, you really are being very tiresome, Hammer.  You take a simple statement and try and blow it into some general insult.  Australia is a large continent.  In the Top End and the NW, Indigenous Australians were instrumental in the creation of the stock industry.   In northern South Australia they were also important.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #184 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:10pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:49pm:
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People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes


Please explain that one?


Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry.   Roll Eyes

Australians run stock all over the country Brian. So every district was assisted by aborigines? Why didn't aborigines learn to make metal from visiting asian peoples?


Oh, dear, you really are being very tiresome, Hammer.  You take a simple statement and try and blow it into some general.  Australia is a large continent.  In the Top End and the NW, Indigenous Australians were instrumental in the creation of the stock industry.   In northern South Australia they were also important.   Roll Eyes



They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......
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Reply #185 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 2:36pm
 
Fuzzball wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:10pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:49pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes


Please explain that one?


Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry.   Roll Eyes

Australians run stock all over the country Brian. So every district was assisted by aborigines? Why didn't aborigines learn to make metal from visiting asian peoples?


Oh, dear, you really are being very tiresome, Hammer.  You take a simple statement and try and blow it into some general.  Australia is a large continent.  In the Top End and the NW, Indigenous Australians were instrumental in the creation of the stock industry.   In northern South Australia they were also important.   Roll Eyes



They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......


And that would explain why the 1946 Stockmens' Strike hurt the stock industry so severely?

And that would explain why the Wave Hill Dispute was seen as instrumental in the Land Rights movement, now would it?

Indigenous Australian stockmen are acknowledged by the stock industry as instrumental in it's creation.
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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......


'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.
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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......


'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.


Yeah - apart from the roads, and health standards, and public order, and the wine - don't forget the wine - clean streets, mean streets, any streets at all, education, free money, reliable food source....what else - I ask you... WHAT ELSE HAS THE WHITE MAN DONE FOR US, EH??

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.....oh, only merely destroyed 'us' is all.  A mere trifling irritation, I know.
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I may have missed something but weren't Aborigines taught to be STOCKMEN by bwian's reviled "white men".
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I may have missed something but weren't Aborigines taught to be STOCKMEN by bwian's reviled "white men".


Uhuh... I caught that thought also when Brian mentioned "with no black stockmen, there would be no white stockmen".
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.....oh, only merely destroyed 'us' is all.  A mere trifling irritation, I know.


I'll ask the next Kangaroo Kaffir Konspirator (KKK) I meet.. and whether or not that means him and his mates should burn the nation down instead of enjoying the free money etc.....

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Grendel wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 3:37pm:
I may have missed something but weren't Aborigines taught to be STOCKMEN by bwian's reviled "white men".


Uhuh... I caught that thought also when Brian mentioned "with no black stockmen, there would be no white stockmen".


Yeah - that makes as much sense as saying that employing women automatically creates 60% greater productivity.. they forgot to say that was only when the men were fully employed and there were vacancies....

Makes as much sense to say bringing in any worker from a low economic group will improve productivity as long as you have vacancies....

Let's play Spin The Words, eh?
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Reply #193 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 5:21pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:49pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes


Please explain that one?


Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry.   Roll Eyes

Australians run stock all over the country Brian. So every district was assisted by aborigines? Why didn't aborigines learn to make metal from visiting asian peoples?


Oh, dear, you really are being very tiresome, Hammer.  You take a simple statement and try and blow it into some general insult.  Australia is a large continent.  In the Top End and the NW, Indigenous Australians were instrumental in the creation of the stock industry.   In northern South Australia they were also important.   Roll Eyes

Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry

Don't make general statements then.
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Reply #194 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 5:29pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 3:34pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 2:48pm:
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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......


'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.


Yeah - apart from the roads, and health standards, and public order, and the wine - don't forget the wine - clean streets, mean streets, any streets at all, education, free money, reliable food source....what else - I ask you... WHAT ELSE HAS THE WHITE MAN DONE FOR US, EH??

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Of course, we can ignore the white land owners' habits of paying the Black fellas in some minor goods - some beef, some flour and some sugar.  Nor should we ignore the substandard "housing" they provided for the Stockmen and their families - a few sheets of corrugated iron for a humpy.  Oh, and then there was the non-existent health care they provided.  Indeed, when the Army arrived in the Northern Territory durng WWII and employed Indigenous people at decent wages, with decent accommodation and and health care, the landowners protested, realising that the Indigenous people would get, "ideas". 

The Army personnel were shocked at the conditions they found, with good reason.   Effectively the Indigenous people were treated like slaves.  They worked, were paid a pittance and suffered as a consequence from white greed and greed was what drove it.  As much as you attempt to make fun of concern about the working conditions of Indigenous workers in the 1930s-40s-50s-60s-70s they were abhominable.
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Reply #195 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 5:30pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 5:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:49pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes


Please explain that one?


Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry.   Roll Eyes

Australians run stock all over the country Brian. So every district was assisted by aborigines? Why didn't aborigines learn to make metal from visiting asian peoples?


Oh, dear, you really are being very tiresome, Hammer.  You take a simple statement and try and blow it into some general insult.  Australia is a large continent.  In the Top End and the NW, Indigenous Australians were instrumental in the creation of the stock industry.   In northern South Australia they were also important.   Roll Eyes

Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry

Don't make general statements then.


You should think about that, Hammer.   Roll Eyes
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14 pages in, and none of his supporters have any idea what he means by houses and sheds, and not one of them are willing to defend his use of the term farming.

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It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.
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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 5:30pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 5:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:49pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
People like you piss on Australian white history when the pioneers  died like flies carving out of a life for themselves. It was a fight for survival and pure nature. Don't bring some 21st century leftist morality into the realities of existence. It's just dividing our country up. People feel enough guilt as it is. We don't need it.


You have evidence to back this assertion, Hammer?  Or are you merely hitting out because you don't like the message?   I have never "pissed on" any history based on factual evidence.   White Colonists were ill equipped to survive in the Australian Bush - that is a fact.   Indigenous Australians often helped them to survive.  They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.   You appear to have problems with accepting that truth.  Why?  Does it hurt?   Roll Eyes


Please explain that one?


Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry.   Roll Eyes

Australians run stock all over the country Brian. So every district was assisted by aborigines? Why didn't aborigines learn to make metal from visiting asian peoples?


Oh, dear, you really are being very tiresome, Hammer.  You take a simple statement and try and blow it into some general insult.  Australia is a large continent.  In the Top End and the NW, Indigenous Australians were instrumental in the creation of the stock industry.   In northern South Australia they were also important.   Roll Eyes

Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry

Don't make general statements then.


You should think about that, Hammer.   Roll Eyes

Well next time say-  aborigines helped peg out properties and aided in finding water for the whiteman IN SOME CASES Brian. The whiteman  was running cattle a few years after the first fleet. One of the big things that established the grazing industry in OZ was bringing out types of grazing animals that could handle our conditions like the Merino. And that had nothing to do with the aborigines.
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It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.
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FD bring back mothra and JS wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.

We are smarter than them. That's the reason.
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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......


'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.


Yeah - apart from the roads, and health standards, and public order, and the wine - don't forget the wine - clean streets, mean streets, any streets at all, education, free money, reliable food source....what else - I ask you... WHAT ELSE HAS THE WHITE MAN DONE FOR US, EH??

http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Sylvester-Stallone-Facepalm.gif


Of course, we can ignore the white land owners' habits of paying the Black fellas in some minor goods - some beef, some flour and some sugar.  Nor should we ignore the substandard "housing" they provided for the Stockmen and their families - a few sheets of corrugated iron for a humpy.  Oh, and then there was the non-existent health care they provided.  Indeed, when the Army arrived in the Northern Territory durng WWII and employed Indigenous people at decent wages, with decent accommodation and and health care, the landowners protested, realising that the Indigenous people would get, "ideas". 

The Army personnel were shocked at the conditions they found, with good reason.   Effectively the Indigenous people were treated like slaves.  They worked, were paid a pittance and suffered as a consequence from white greed and greed was what drove it.  As much as you attempt to make fun of concern about the working conditions of Indigenous workers in the 1930s-40s-50s-60s-70s they were abhominable.


Historically, Brian - that happened with all kinds of people who lived on the 'boss' property and worked for the boss, and who received a few paltry goods and a place to live in exchange for their work and servitude. 

This was particularly prevalent in WA, that notorious non-convict colony which spawns paedos and serial killers and such with gay abandon - due to its rather haughty 'English' approach to the "master/servant relationship".

It wasn't only the position of Black Fellahs... and while I sympathise with your stance, it does no good to live in the past, but it does do good to work for a better future for all.

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Reply #203 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:28pm
 
FD bring back mothra and JS wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
It's sad to think that their civilization reached its peak and still couldn't fend off invaders.

And all this pre-stone age
Because they couldn't work out to attach a stone to a stick.

Neither could the civilisations in North and South America, Africa and big parts of Asia.


Yeah, but you don't hear them lying about building cities, architectural marvels and modern farming techniques do you?
But we are supposed to believe this garbage.

It's like the joke about telephone wires
They couldn't find any no matter how deep they dogged.
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