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Reply #450 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:02pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:59pm:
The distinction is....you were guessing where the prawns were.  You were simply having a 'Hail Mary' and hope.

These blokes knew where their prey was and deliberately herded them, with fire they created, to the abattoir.

Why not just concede that is exactly what they did?


Not at all, when the time and tide are right, you know the prawns are there.
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Reply #451 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:03pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:59pm:
The distinction is....you were guessing where the prawns were.  You were simply having a 'Hail Mary' and hope.

These blokes knew where their prey was and deliberately herded them, with fire they created, to the abattoir.

Why not just concede that is exactly what they did?


It's still not farming.
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Reply #452 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:06pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:02pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:59pm:
The distinction is....you were guessing where the prawns were.  You were simply having a 'Hail Mary' and hope.

These blokes knew where their prey was and deliberately herded them, with fire they created, to the abattoir.

Why not just concede that is exactly what they did?


Not at all, when the time and tide are right, you know the prawns are there.



No.  You were guessing they are there.  The Abos did not guess.  They knew, and they herded their prey with fire to their abattoir.

I have no problem saying so.  What is the issue?  Is this some weird pissing thing.  Is it too hard for you to admit that the Abos husbanded (there's a new term) their environment to their advantage?
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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #453 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:06pm
 
did someone use that racist word 'abos"   


come on gweg  where are you???? Angry Angry
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Reply #454 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:09pm
 
cods wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:06pm:
did someone use that racist word 'abos"   


come on gweg  where are you???? Angry Angry


Good point, Cods.  Right up there with the very best of your contributions.   
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Reply #455 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:12pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:06pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:02pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:59pm:
The distinction is....you were guessing where the prawns were.  You were simply having a 'Hail Mary' and hope.

These blokes knew where their prey was and deliberately herded them, with fire they created, to the abattoir.

Why not just concede that is exactly what they did?


Not at all, when the time and tide are right, you know the prawns are there.



No.  You were guessing they are there.  The Abos did not guess.  They knew, and they herded their prey with fire to their abattoir.

I have no problem saying so.  What is the issue?  Is this some weird pissing thing.  Is it too hard for you to admit that the Abos husbanded (there's a new term) their environment to their advantage?


Always caught prawns so not quite hail Mary. Just go at the right time and tide and there they were, perhaps people understanding how animals behave works out without prayers.

Nothing you have said is farming. I still have not got a response to what is wrong with hunting/gathering? Why is a put down? It's how most of mankind has lived for hundreds of thousands of years.
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Reply #456 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:17pm
 
It's not a put down.

That is not the issue.  It seems that some believe that 'herding' was beyond the Abos, when very clearly, it was not.
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Reply #457 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:22pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:17pm:
It's not a put down.

That is not the issue.  It seems that some believe that 'herding' was beyond the Abos, when very clearly, it was not.


So other hunter/gatherers were farming when they herded animals over a cliff? Tiger huntersfarmers were farming when they had beaters that herded the tiger to where it could be shot?
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Reply #458 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:26pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:17pm:
It's not a put down.

That is not the issue.  It seems that some believe that 'herding' was beyond the Abos, when very clearly, it was not.

give it up Aussie- its not worth the headache they will fight to the death no mater how much twisting it takes to "prove" their point leave them to it-
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Reply #459 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:29pm
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:26pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:17pm:
It's not a put down.

That is not the issue.  It seems that some believe that 'herding' was beyond the Abos, when very clearly, it was not.

give it up Aussie- its not worth the headache they will fight to the death no mater how much twisting it takes to "prove" their point leave them to it-


Where have I twisted AG? My point has always been the same. We have words with definitions and hunting wild animals is not farming, no matter how you hunt them.
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Reply #460 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:32pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:22pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:17pm:
It's not a put down.

That is not the issue.  It seems that some believe that 'herding' was beyond the Abos, when very clearly, it was not.


So other hunter/gatherers were farming when they herded animals over a cliff? Tiger huntersfarmers were farming when they had beaters that herded the tiger to where it could be shot?


Yeas, why not.  Why are you so precious about that term....herding.  I am happy to share it with what the Abos did.
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Reply #461 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:35pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:32pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:22pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:17pm:
It's not a put down.

That is not the issue.  It seems that some believe that 'herding' was beyond the Abos, when very clearly, it was not.


So other hunter/gatherers were farming when they herded animals over a cliff? Tiger huntersfarmers were farming when they had beaters that herded the tiger to where it could be shot?


Yeas, why not.  Why are you so precious about that term....herding.  I am happy to share it with what the Abos did.


Because you conflate meaning one with meaning two.

herd
həːd/
verb
gerund or present participle: herding
1.
(with reference to a group of people or animals) move in a group.
"they were herded into a bus"
synonyms:      drive, round up, shepherd, gather, collect, assemble, guide, kettle More
2.
keep or look after (livestock).
"they live by herding reindeer"
synonyms:      look after, take care of, keep, tend, watch, watch over, mind, guard
"they live by herding reindeer"
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Reply #462 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:38pm
 
Perfect description of what the Abos did.  They clearly 'herded' within your own definition.

Give it up.
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Reply #463 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:42pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:38pm:
Perfect description of what the Abos did.  They clearly 'herded' within your own definition.

Give it up. 


They did definition one, which is not farming, farming is definition two. I suggest you take your own advice.
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Reply #464 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:45pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 6:51pm:
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Can you describe these abattoirs?


Yeas I can. 

A bunch of Abos waiting for their prey where they know they will arrive because they lit a fire to herd their prey to them.....and then...with spears and voila......death to the prey.  Abattoir.



Are you making this up Aussie, or did someone else make it up?

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It seems that some believe that 'herding' was beyond the Abos, when very clearly, it was not.


What animals did they herd Aussie?
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