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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50566 At my desk.	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #420 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 9:46am That font is too small Agnes. I cannot read it.
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Agnes Gold Member Offline fish dinner Posts: 6081 Bedford Park rnd	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #421 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 10:00am Is this font big enough dim witty ?- and your site is failing FD- just etting you know-full of glitches
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50566 At my desk.	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #422 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 11:23am Do you know what the difference is between agriculture and farming? If you don't know, why did you make such a big deal about the distinction?
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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #423 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 3:23pm

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2018 at 11:23am:

Do you know what the difference is between agriculture and farming? If you don't know, why did you make such a big deal about the distinction?

you are hung up on the distinction not me- but anyway I am going to let you supply me with the answer between farming and agriculture and then I will comment on your answer-

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Reply #424 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 3:44pm

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you are hung up on the distinction not me

You brought it up, not me. You appear to have conceded that you (and Brian, and this author) were wrong to call it farming. But then you started doing the same thing by calling it agriculture instead. Why are you so hung up on this aversion to calling hunting and gathering what it actually is?

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #426 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 4:27pm

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2018 at 3:44pm:

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you are hung up on the distinction not me

You brought it up, not me. You appear to have conceded that you (and Brian, and this author) were wrong to call it farming. But then you started doing the same thing by calling it agriculture instead. Why are you so hung up on this aversion to calling hunting and gathering what it actually is?

you need to provide me with your answer now FD- and as you refuse to read anything I give you it appears we have nothing more to say to each ther on this topic- you cannot not define indigenous man under the same premise you apply to european settlers- different landscape/time/ different time and they lived 60 plus thousand years in an isolated environment in isolation- with no way of learning from any outside infleunce/practices that european man was exposed to- your question was ridiculous - it was a stupid trap- I didnt ask about distinction- it was not me- it was you- i am done with this is - if you cannot answer my question- best we forget it- enjoy the rest of your blinkered life- at best I got caught up in the confusing farm/agriculture crap that was thrown around here- so shoot me- academic texts prove you wrong btw- so go read- i was hung up on the erroneous bs thrown around here because most of it was a lie- yes they were hunter/gathers but they were also "farmers" even by your definition- deal with it - I learned through university and you were telling me everything I had learned was a lie- you were wrong and I dont like lies

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Reply #427 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 5:59pm

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you need to provide me with your answer now FD

I refuse to provide an answer without first knowing what the question is.

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your question was ridiculous - it was a stupid trap

How was it a trap?

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I didnt ask about distinction- it was not me- it was you

I asked about the distinction because you made the distinction.

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at best I got caught up in the confusing farm/agriculture crap that was thrown around here- so shoot me- academic texts prove you wrong btw- so go read

They do not seem to have improved your ability to make sense. Are you conceding you were wrong to call what the aborigines did farming, or agriculture?

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yes they were hunter/gathers but they were also "farmers" even by your definition- deal with it

Can you explain how?

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I learned through university and you were telling me everything I had learned was a lie

I was asking you to share what you had learned. So far, nothing. Did they teach you how to use histrionics as a substitute for rational argument?

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39227 Gender:	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #428 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:05pm Effendi.....if I burn some land where there is flammable fuel to make the animal habitants come to where I lurk to kill them, what is the technical term for that...in English?
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Reply #429 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:07pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:05pm:

Effendi.....if I burn some land where there is flammable fuel to make the animal habitants come to where I lurk to kill them, what is the technical term for that...in English?

Setting up an ambush? Hunter/gatherers have done this in many places. The animals are wild, luring them to where they are easier to kill is not farming. Is throwing a bit of burly in the water to lure fish, aquaculture?

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Reply #430 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:13pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:07pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:05pm:

Effendi.....if I burn some land where there is flammable fuel to make the animal habitants come to where I lurk to kill them, what is the technical term for that...in English?

Setting up an ambush? Hunter/gatherers have done this in many places. The animals are wild, luring them to where they are easier to kill is not farming. Is throwing a bit of burly in the water to lure fish, aquaculture?

Gee, I wonder how these inventors of a mere stick learned how to make a fire ~ and learned that was a way to herd their prey? I guess they were just unlucky. No helicopters.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50566 At my desk.	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #431 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:15pm Aussie, what is the technical term for when I chop up a fish into little bits to attract bigger fish? Would you say it is farming, or agriculture?
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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #432 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:16pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:13pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:07pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:05pm:

Effendi.....if I burn some land where there is flammable fuel to make the animal habitants come to where I lurk to kill them, what is the technical term for that...in English?

Setting up an ambush? Hunter/gatherers have done this in many places. The animals are wild, luring them to where they are easier to kill is not farming. Is throwing a bit of burly in the water to lure fish, aquaculture?

Gee, I wonder how these inventors of a mere stick learned how to make a fire ~ and learned that was a way to herd their prey? I guess they were just unlucky. No helicopters.

What are you trying to say? Many people have learned to do it over our human story, it does not make it farming though.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50566 At my desk.	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #433 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:17pm What's this about herding? Someone's been reading those academic manuals again....
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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16953 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #434 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:20pm freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:17pm: What's this about herding? Someone's been reading those academic manuals again.... Well peoples have "herded" wild animals over cliffs to kill them, I guess that's farming too.
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