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Jul 8th, 2018 at 6:59pm
 
Denmark's extreme immigration policies include separating immigrant toddlers from their parents every week to teach them 'Danish values'


The New York Times detailed the strict laws in Denmark that single out the country’s growing non-white immigrant population.

The government designates areas populated by such immigrants as “ghetto neighbourhoods,” and requires toddlers who live in them to spend 25 hours a week learning “Danish values.”

While many immigrants see themselves as thriving, the largely homogeneous society doesn’t always think their presence is positive.

A New York Times story published Sunday profiles the strict rules immigrant children in Denmark are subject to by law. Denmark has welcomed an influx of mostly Middle-Eastern immigrants and refugees in recent years, but the society, which is 87% white, native Danes, has struggled to adapt to changing demographics.

Children born in “ghetto neighbourhoods” are mandated after their first birthdays to spend 25 hours away from their parents every week to learn “Danish values,” including instruction on Christian holidays such as Christmas and Easter, as well as Danish language education. Parents who opt to keep their children at home risk losing access to government benefits.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/denmark-strict-immigration-policies-ghetto-ne...

Who remembers when the Eurocrats with their smug superiority lectured us down under about not welcoming hordes of indigestible country shoppers? It was about the time of the Tampa incident and a few years either side of that time. Can we now call out the Danes as being xenophobic? Can we highlight that they appear to be wary of vile cultures entering their country? Can we ask them just what is wrong with hordes of muslims entering their country.


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Reply #1 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 8:21pm
 
I wonder: when the government requires that all children and teenagers go to school, are they 'separating' children from their parents???
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Reply #2 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 8:40am
 
salad in wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
Denmark's extreme immigration policies include separating immigrant toddlers from their parents every week to teach them 'Danish values'


The New York Times detailed the strict laws in Denmark that single out the country’s growing non-white immigrant population.

The government designates areas populated by such immigrants as “ghetto neighbourhoods,” and requires toddlers who live in them to spend 25 hours a week learning “Danish values.”

While many immigrants see themselves as thriving, the largely homogeneous society doesn’t always think their presence is positive.

A New York Times story published Sunday profiles the strict rules immigrant children in Denmark are subject to by law. Denmark has welcomed an influx of mostly Middle-Eastern immigrants and refugees in recent years, but the society, which is 87% white, native Danes, has struggled to adapt to changing demographics.

Children born in “ghetto neighbourhoods” are mandated after their first birthdays to spend 25 hours away from their parents every week to learn “Danish values,” including instruction on Christian holidays such as Christmas and Easter, as well as Danish language education. Parents who opt to keep their children at home risk losing access to government benefits.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/denmark-strict-immigration-policies-ghetto-ne...

Who remembers when the Eurocrats with their smug superiority lectured us down under about not welcoming hordes of indigestible country shoppers? It was about the time of the Tampa incident and a few years either side of that time. Can we now call out the Danes as being xenophobic? Can we highlight that they appear to be wary of vile cultures entering their country? Can we ask them just what is wrong with hordes of muslims entering their country.



The short answer is "Yes," but if you do, you are a bigot islamophobe nazi racist, who should be re-educated in progressive-humanist values, because they have everyone's best interests at heart.
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Reply #3 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:13pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 8:40am:
salad in wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
Denmark's extreme immigration policies include separating immigrant toddlers from their parents every week to teach them 'Danish values'


The New York Times detailed the strict laws in Denmark that single out the country’s growing non-white immigrant population.

The government designates areas populated by such immigrants as “ghetto neighbourhoods,” and requires toddlers who live in them to spend 25 hours a week learning “Danish values.”

While many immigrants see themselves as thriving, the largely homogeneous society doesn’t always think their presence is positive.

A New York Times story published Sunday profiles the strict rules immigrant children in Denmark are subject to by law. Denmark has welcomed an influx of mostly Middle-Eastern immigrants and refugees in recent years, but the society, which is 87% white, native Danes, has struggled to adapt to changing demographics.

Children born in “ghetto neighbourhoods” are mandated after their first birthdays to spend 25 hours away from their parents every week to learn “Danish values,” including instruction on Christian holidays such as Christmas and Easter, as well as Danish language education. Parents who opt to keep their children at home risk losing access to government benefits.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/denmark-strict-immigration-policies-ghetto-ne...

Who remembers when the Eurocrats with their smug superiority lectured us down under about not welcoming hordes of indigestible country shoppers? It was about the time of the Tampa incident and a few years either side of that time. Can we now call out the Danes as being xenophobic? Can we highlight that they appear to be wary of vile cultures entering their country? Can we ask them just what is wrong with hordes of muslims entering their country.



The short answer is "Yes," but if you do, you are a bigot islamophobe nazi racist, who should be re-educated in progressive-humanist values, because they have everyone's best interests at heart.


No no, the short answer is yes, but if you do you're wasting your time. As we saw in the good old US of A, a president can't just give an order to stop the Muselman entering the country. Constitutional governments, you see, have things called freedom of religion. They also have clear laws and policies about government departments discriminating on the basis of religion, including immigration departments. And last, but not least, as signatories to the UN Convention on Refugees, it's illegal to reject a claim of asylum on the basis or religion.

In constitutional governments, treaty law applies to common and civil law. This means you can take a government to court if they discriminate on the basis of religion, even if you are a foreigner. We also saw this in the US of A, where district courts ruled in favour of foreign short-stay visa holders who had been detained at the airport. On appeal, the Supreme Court backed this ruling.

No one needs to be re-educated in humanist values, dear, but they should be aware that these values are enshrined in their respective constitutions. The only way any of this could change is a change to their constitution, which in constitutional governments requires a popular election.

The only constitutional government to actively discriminate on the basis of religion/race in recent times was run by the Nazi Party, and yes, they abandoned their constitution. They were quite proud of doing so. This was their platform.

So you're spot on, Issue. The short answer is "Yes," but if you do, you are a bigot islamophobe nazi racist, who should be re-educated in progressive-humanist values, because they have everyone's best interests at heart.

Try taking freedom of religion out of your constitution by putting it to a popular vote. Alternatively, stage a revolutionary coup and abandon your constitution.  These are your choices.

It is a jolly world, no?

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Reply #4 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:25pm
 
If a Nazi decided that Hitler was a prophet, would we be obliged to let him in?
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Reply #5 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:34pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:25pm:
If a Nazi decided that Hitler was a prophet, would we be obliged to let him in?


I believe so, FD. We do this already - regularly, I assume.

However, if a Nazi decided that Hitler was a prophet and was coming here to spread the word and had a history of carrying out his prophet's orders, then no.

We would not be obliged to let him in. These days, DFAT tries not to discriminate on the basis of religion or political belief.

It was quite a different matter during the Cold War, as I'm sure you'll agree.
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Reply #6 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:36pm
 
Ah, so if they promise not to spread the word, we have to let them in?
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Reply #7 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:39pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:36pm:
Ah, so if they promise not to spread the word, we have to let them in?


Indeed. Have a look at your friends here, FD. Herbie, Gordon, the old boy - we let them in.

It's just a good thing you share their views on race, no?
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Reply #8 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:45pm
 
The US supreme court upheld Trumps' travel ban.
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Reply #9 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:49pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:45pm:
The US supreme court upheld Trumps' travel ban.


Not at all. The Trump administration was forced to rewrite its ban. It was also forced - at Trump's own request - to take out the Muslim countries Mr Trump does business in.

You will, of course, note the emphasis on countries. Mr Trump originally promised a ban on Muslims. Even the travel ban's authors, which included Steve Bannon, realised this was unconstitutional at the outset. 

But I'm curious. Do you?
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Reply #10 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:49pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:25pm:
If a Nazi decided that Hitler was a prophet, would we be obliged to let him in?


You stole my example.
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Reply #11 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 7:58pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:49pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:25pm:
If a Nazi decided that Hitler was a prophet, would we be obliged to let him in?


You stole my example.


And then he floated off. What sound does a jellyfish make?
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Reply #12 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:45pm:
The US supreme court upheld Trumps' travel ban.


That is not a ban on muslim immigration. It is a ban on several countries who happen to be predominantly muslim (and would presumably also affect any non-muslim applicants from those countries). The vast majority of muslim-majority countries are not affected - including the home country of most of the 9/11 attackers.
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Reply #13 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 2:24pm
 
Obama in between drone strikes that also targeted American citizens also put bans on travel from several majority Muslim countries under the very reasonable cause that those countries internal governance and oversight were not sufficiently robust to prevent jihadists using them as an entry point to the US.
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Reply #14 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 2:32pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:49pm:
Mr Trump originally promised a ban on Muslims. Even the travel ban's authors, which included Steve Bannon, realised this was unconstitutional at the outset. 

But I'm curious. Do you?


FD probably won't give a straight answer, but he's been giving subtle hints for quite a while now. In an ongoing discussion on immigration vetting, he thinks its reasonable to single out muslims and interrogate them on how their Islamic beliefs gel with our western democratic values. If they don't, chuck-em out - we shouldn't be obliged to accept people who are incompatible with our fundamental values. Fair enough then. But of course FD argues tirelessly day in day out how fundamentally hostile the core Islamic doctrine is to our values. You'll notice too how his latest favourite trick is to constantly equate Islam with nazism and challenge us to do unto Islam what we would surely do unto Nazism. Thus his rhetorical questions about whether we would suddenly start embracing nazis if they started referencing Hitler as a prophet of God and so forth. Thus we quickly understand what FD's real agenda is - a zero tolerance on muslims - with the important exception of those muslims who are demonstrably "fake" muslims - or those "muslims" who clearly reject the core tenants of Islam. Its like 'I have no problem with muslims - just as long as they can prove they're not really muslims'.

Of course FD won't admit this - as he won't be caught dead calling for freedom of religion to be curtailed. It would kinda expose him as a hypocrite. Personally, I think FD's slowly repositioning himself in the long term. Its clear the whole "standing up for freedom for anyone who is not a white-supremacist-bigot-Islamophobe" thing is a tough gig for FD, and we see him struggle with it in the way he feels compelled to constantly spinelessly apologise for those here who are so demonstrably anti-freedom, and reflexively turn the attack on those who call them (and him) out. It seems to be a common ailment amongst these self-styled freedom warriors - this curious habit of theirs to seemingly only ever be concerned about white bigots' rights, and not anyone elses. I think its inevitable that such cognitive dissonance will resolve itself by ending the pretense - and eventually we'll see FD 'come out' as the freedom hater we all know he wants to be.
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