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An Irishman's insight on Africa.....
         You can no more ignore or deny the logic in this. A must read.  It's what a lot of people think, but don't articulate.
                                       
This article is controversial but sadly, might be very close to the truth.  It has rattled my conscience somewhat.  The imponderable…… where do we go from here?
Kevin Myers (born 30 March 1947) is an Irish journalist and writer. He writes for the Irish edition of the Sunday Times, having previously been a columnist for the Irish Independent and a former contributor to The Irish Times, where he wrote the "An Irishman's Diary" opinion column several times weekly. Until 2005, he wrote for the UK Sunday Telegraph.
His articles criticize left-wing opinion and the "liberal consensus", sometimes incorporating hyperbole, sarcasm and parody.
Somalia is not a humanitarian disaster; it is an evolutionary disaster. The current drought is not the worst in 50 years, as the BBC and all the aid organizations claim.
It is nothing compared to the droughts in 1960/61 or 73/74.  And there are continuing droughts every 5 years or so.
It's just that there are now four times the population; having been kept alive by famine relief, supplied by aid organizations, over the past 50 years.
So, of course, the effects of any drought now, is a famine. They cannot even feed themselves in a normal rainfall year.

Worst yet, the effects of these droughts, and poor nutrition in the first 3 years of the a child's life, have a lasting effect on the development of the infant brain, so that if they survive, they will never achieve a normal IQ .
Consequently, they are selectively breeding a population who cannot be educated, let alone one that is not being educated; a recipe for disaster

We are seeing this impact now, and it can only exacerbate, to the detriment of their neighbors, and their environment as well. This scenario can only end in an even worse disaster; with even worse suffering, for those benighted people, and their descendants. Eventually, some mechanism will intervene, be it war, disease or starvation.

So what do we do? Let them starve?
What a dilemma for our Judeo/Christian/Islamic Ethos; as well as Hindu/Buddhist morality.  And this is beginning to happen in Kenya, Ethiopia and other countries in Asia, like Pakistan.  Is this the beginning of the end of civilization?

AFRICA is giving nothing to anyone outside Africa -- apart from AIDS and new diseases. Even as we see African states refusing to take action to restore something resembling civilization in Zimbabwe, the begging bowl for Ethiopia is being passed around to us out of Africa, yet again.
It is nearly 25 years since the famous Feed The World campaign began in Ethiopia, and in that time Ethiopia's population has grown from 33.5 million to 78+ million today.
So, why on earth should I do anything to encourage further catastrophic demographic growth in that country?
Where is the logic? There is none. Now they want to move to other countries to continue to breed and commit crime.

To be sure, there are two things saying that logic doesn't count.  One is my conscience, and the other is the picture, yet again, of another wide-eyed child, yet again, gazing,
yet again, at the camera, which yet again, captures the tragedy of children starving.

Sorry. My conscience has toured this territory on foot and financially.  Unlike most of you, I have been to Ethiopia; like most of you, I have stumped up the loot to charities to stop starvation there.  The wide-eyed boy-child we saved, 20 years or so ago, is now a low IQ, AK 47-bearing moron, siring children whenever the whim takes him and blaming the world because he is uneducated, poor and left behind.  There is no doubt a good argument why we should prolong this predatory and dysfunctional economic,  social and sexual system but I do not know what it is.  There is, on the other hand, every reason not to write a column like this.
It will win no friends and will provoke the self-righteous wrath of, well, the self-righteous hand wringing, letter writing wrathful individuals; a species which never fails to contaminate almost every debate in Irish life with its sneers and its moral superiority. It will also probably enrage some of the finest men in Irish life, like John O'Shea, of Goal; and the Finucane brothers, men whom I admire enormously.

So be it.
But, please, please, you self-righteously wrathful, spare me mention of our own Irish Famine, with this or that lazy analogy. There is no comparison!
Within 20 years of the Famine, the Irish population was down by 30%. Over the equivalent period, thanks to western food, the Mercedes 10-wheel truck and the Lockheed Hercules plane, Ethiopia's population has more than doubled.

Alas, that wretched country is not alone in its madness.
Somewhere, over the rainbow, lies Somalia, another fine land of violent, AK 47-toting, khat-chewing, girl-circumcising, permanently tumescent layabouts and housing pirates of the ocean.  Indeed, we now have almost an entire continent of sexually hyperactive, illiterate indigents, with tens of millions of people who only survive because of help from the outside world or allowances by the semi-communist Governments they voted for, money supplied by borrowing it from the World Bank!

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Reply #1 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 11:33am
 
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This dependency has not stimulated political prudence or common sense.
Indeed, voodoo idiocy seems to be in the ascendant, with the president of South Africa being a firm believer in the efficacy of a little tap water on the post-coital penis as a sure preventative against AIDS infection.  Needless to say, poverty, hunger and societal meltdown have not prevented idiotic wars involving Tigre, Uganda, Congo, Sudan, Somalia, Eritrea etcetera.
Broad brush-strokes, to be sure.
But broad brush-strokes are often the way that history paints its gaudier, if more decisive, chapters.
Japan, China, Russia, Korea, Poland, Germany, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia in the 20th century have endured worse broad brush-strokes than almost any part of Africa. They are now -- one way or another -- virtually all giving aid to or investing in Africa, whereas Africa, with its vast Savannahs and its lush pastures, is giving almost nothing to anyone, apart from AIDS.

Meanwhile, Africa's peoples are outstripping their resources and causing catastrophic ecological degradation.
By 2050, the population of Ethiopia will be 177 million; the equivalent of France, Germany and Benelux today, but located on the parched and increasingly Protein-free wastelands of the Great Rift Valley.  So, how much sense does it make for us actively to increase the adult population of what is already a vastly over-populated, environmentally devastated and economically dependent country?

How much morality is there in saving an Ethiopian child from starvation today, for it to survive to a life of brutal circumcision, poverty, hunger, violence and sexual abuse, resulting in another half-dozen such wide-eyed children, with comparably jolly little lives ahead of them?

Of course, it might make you feel better, which is a prime reason for so much charity!

But that is not good enough.
For self-serving generosity has been one of the curses of Africa. It has sustained political systems which would otherwise have collapsed.
It prolonged the Eritrean-Ethiopian war by nearly a decade.
It is inspiring Bill Gates' programme to rid the continent of malaria, when, in the almost complete absence of personal self-discipline, that disease is one of the most efficacious forms of population-control now operating. If his programme is successful, tens of millions of children who would otherwise have died in infancy will survive to adulthood, he boasts.

Oh good: then what? I know, let them all come here (to Ireland). Germany and the rest of Europe is already inundated and there are literally millions queuing up who want a hand out, taking in refugees because you feel sorry for them will end in the demise of those countries taking part.
You will note that; No Gulf State is taking any refugees, and the head of the human rights commission is Saudi Arabian !?!
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Reply #2 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 12:55pm
 


Its an uncomfortable truth.
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Lout Of Africa?

Reminds me of Michael Marin's 'Road To Hell' - where he posited the same thing - that providing 'aid' and 'relief' will lead to population explosion, which will then create a situation where the countryside cannot sustain them.

Marin's example was digging wells and providing irrigation in Somalia or similar - soon the number of sheep/goats expands way beyond the wildest dreams of the nomadic herdsmen, and competition for the prime land develops in earnest.... then the sheep/goats eat out all the good grass now created, and have to go further and further to find forage, eventually going beyond the  'prudent limit of endurance' back to water.... thus everyone dies.

Same with sustaining an unsustainable population - cruel as it sounds....

For my final word (this time)... we of the West and particularly Lifeboat Australia should be looking very closely at what we are doing with our population and resources....... lest we end up in the same situation of needing more to sustain an unsustainable population while resources diminish (in our case in real terms due to economic forces, which in turn are due to massive mineral etc exportation without installing solid infrastructure for THIS nation first and foremost).

The warning is clear for the whole world... get with it or be without it......

Gnads - you're in Queenslund (where they do things diff'runtly... mark my words!).  You're not by any chance my distant cousin whose great-grandparents were sister and brother of my great-grandparents, are you?  Same kind of thinking....
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Reply #4 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 6:54pm
 
When you have a media that preys on emotion and fear and has been pumping this crap out for decades you are eventually left with a very fkkking stupid population of people that do some very fkkking stupid things because at the time the warm fuzzy feeling was thrilling.......and they got a front page spread.


Never donated. Never will. For the exact reasons in the article above.
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Reply #5 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:18pm
 
I think Malthus was the first to come up with this one.
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We must be fast approaching the time when those countries that are able to give aid to mendicant countries will no longer have the capacity to do so. You can only go to the well so many times. It will eventually run dry.

Aid is indeed killing Africa.

Dambisa Moyo and Why Western Aid is Killing Africa


Take the poorest region in the world, where 70 percent of the people live in poverty, 25 million have HIV/AIDS, a child dies every 30 seconds from Malaria, more than half the countries are run by non-democratic regimes, which has had eleven civil wars and two instances of genocide in the past 15 years, and you help it by...making it poorer??

The debate over how best to help Africa pull itself out of the debilitating poverty, corruption and disease it has been mired in for decades has been dominated — in recent years, anyway — by white, middle-aged male Westerners. Most of us are familiar with Bono’s courting of world leaders in drawing attention to the crisis, Bob Geldof’s Live Aid benefit concerts, and Bill Gates’ efforts — through The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation — to eradicate malaria, which kills more Africans every year than AIDS.

Celebrities like these have occupied center stage in the debate, and their argument has been simple and loud: send more aid! Commendable, to be sure, and commonsensical on the face of it: Africans have scraps; we have a cornucopia — let’s help them.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/jake-whitney/dambisa-moyo-and-why-west_b_180964.h...

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Reply #7 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:39pm
 
The countries that can will no longer be able to because they were stupid enough to sign up to some mythical global economy that is slowly destroying them all and sucking them dry to feed a relative few offshore very fat leeches.

It's a real shame that the Darwin Effect (not the heat and a few Darwin Stubbies) doesn't seem to be working with politicians.. I suppose that's because they are safely insulated from the very evils they themselves create for everyone else.

Now what was I just saying elsewhere about Trump and China .. oh... and 
North Korea and Kim Ill Dong ...??
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Reply #8 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 8:27pm
 
miketrees wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 12:55pm:
Its an uncomfortable truth.

It may be the truth, but Africa was colonised for decades or even hundreds of years, unfortunately the colonisers only exploited the people and taught them nothing.
What is surprising that our leaders of this world do not realise that it less than 200 years when the population of this planet reached 1 billion, and now it is more than 7 billion, while they still preach global growth, which also means population growth; what a sad world.
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Reply #9 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 9:41pm
 
hawil wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 8:27pm:
miketrees wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 12:55pm:
Its an uncomfortable truth.

It may be the truth, but Africa was colonised for decades or even hundreds of years, unfortunately the colonisers only exploited the people and taught them nothing.
What is surprising that our leaders of this world do not realise that it less than 200 years when the population of this planet reached 1 billion, and now it is more than 7 billion, while they still preach global growth, which also means population growth; what a sad world.


So was south east asia, how are they fairing?
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The problems in Africa are not attributable to a few centuries of colonisation. They are attributable to a millennia or more of supplying slaves for the regional and global trade, and 1400 years or Muslim rule across the north. The social and political institutions they have today were shaped during that era and are not going to change in a hurry.
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Setanta wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
hawil wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 8:27pm:
miketrees wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 12:55pm:
Its an uncomfortable truth.

It may be the truth, but Africa was colonised for decades or even hundreds of years, unfortunately the colonisers only exploited the people and taught them nothing.
What is surprising that our leaders of this world do not realise that it less than 200 years when the population of this planet reached 1 billion, and now it is more than 7 billion, while they still preach global growth, which also means population growth; what a sad world.


So was south east asia, how are they fairing?


Well - principally they turned inward and do not permit foreign investment unhampered... unlike this colonised failed state of San Austrador, they sought Sinn Fein after decades and even centuries of being ruled and dominated by foreign powers.

Ourselves Alone is not just an Irish concept... it's a nation concept on an international stage - and only those foolish enough to not protect and preserve their own go down in a welter of immigration and resources and job loss...
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Reply #12 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:28pm
 
Which African state should we aspire to be more like Grap?
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Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 1:11pm:
Lout Of Africa?

Reminds me of Michael Marin's 'Road To Hell' - where he posited the same thing - that providing 'aid' and 'relief' will lead to population explosion, which will then create a situation where the countryside cannot sustain them.

Marin's example was digging wells and providing irrigation in Somalia or similar - soon the number of sheep/goats expands way beyond the wildest dreams of the nomadic herdsmen, and competition for the prime land develops in earnest.... then the sheep/goats eat out all the good grass now created, and have to go further and further to find forage, eventually going beyond the  'prudent limit of endurance' back to water.... thus everyone dies.

Same with sustaining an unsustainable population - cruel as it sounds....

For my final word (this time)... we of the West and particularly Lifeboat Australia should be looking very closely at what we are doing with our population and resources....... lest we end up in the same situation of needing more to sustain an unsustainable population while resources diminish (in our case in real terms due to economic forces, which in turn are due to massive mineral etc exportation without installing solid infrastructure for THIS nation first and foremost).

The warning is clear for the whole world... get with it or be without it......

Gnads - you're in Queenslund (where they do things diff'runtly... mark my words!).  You're not by any chance my distant cousin whose great-grandparents were sister and brother of my great-grandparents, are you?  Same kind of thinking....


Grin Grin I think?  Tongue
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Reply #14 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:49pm
 
hawil wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 8:27pm:
miketrees wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 12:55pm:
Its an uncomfortable truth.

It may be the truth, but Africa was colonised for decades or even hundreds of years, unfortunately the colonisers only exploited the people and taught them nothing.
What is surprising that our leaders of this world do not realise that it less than 200 years when the population of this planet reached 1 billion, and now it is more than 7 billion, while they still preach global growth, which also means population growth; what a sad world.


You mean in 430 years they learnt nothing ... big difference.

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Reply #15 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 7:09pm
 
I totally agree with the above extracts from the Irish Writer.

I mean - he comes from a country that takes pride in being the 'foolish' drunk butt of jokes that 'sponges' off the EEC for want of getting sober with England, Wales & Scotland.

Africans?
Shall the world stop feeding their 'Western' ways?
Because we all know that a Black Man in North America is a Labourer and nothing more than a Wanker.
While the Black Man of Asia is an 'Academic' ...which is why Obama kept trying to be President of Asia, more than America.  Roll Eyes

So Mr 'Western' Irish Writer - its YOUR Western ways that have 'dominated' Africa to be as YOU want them to be.

If you suddenly change your ways and stop feeding their 'Failings' for your culture...
...then you might as well stop feeding the poor downtrodden Convicts of Australia that are living the high life as one of the most wealthiest and expensive nations on the planet. A nation of over-indulgent Gays of near minimal hetero-breeding capability, for want of preference to have little white fluffy dogs as pets to can 'afford' to go to expensive VETS.

Yes - the HYPOCRISY is evident.

Me thinks the Irish Writer needs to point the blame at the USA/UK/Eire and WESTERN (North America & Western Europe) ways that made Africa in its own image.



...now one day, Mr Fred Hollows paid Eritrea a visit and his 'influence' there sparked a disciplined, self-sufficient, independent, honourable 'culture' of pride and progression.
Eritrea 'sparkled' and grew as if seeing the light for the first time.

...of course, after Mr Hollows passed on. Eritrea was to find itself 'bullied' by the much larger Ethiopia and turn back into that lazy AFRICAN-AMERICAN style of being lazy, based on lust and living in a card-board box with a glory hole.

Yep - YOU WESTERNERS used your 'domination' via POWER to make Africa what it is today.

...but hey, this is where the 'real' Australia will come into it and I'm not talking about the
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.JaSin. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
I totally agree with the above extracts from the Irish Writer.

I mean - he comes from a country that takes pride in being the 'foolish' drunk butt of jokes that 'sponges' off the EEC for want of getting sober with England, Wales & Scotland.

Africans?
Shall the world stop feeding their 'Western' ways?
Because we all know that a Black Man in North America is a Labourer and nothing more than a Wanker.
While the Black Man of Asia is an 'Academic' ...which is why Obama kept trying to be President of Asia, more than America.  Roll Eyes

So Mr 'Western' Irish Writer - its YOUR Western ways that have 'dominated' Africa to be as YOU want them to be.

If you suddenly change your ways and stop feeding their 'Failings' for your culture...
...then you might as well stop feeding the poor downtrodden Convicts of Australia that are living the high life as one of the most wealthiest and expensive nations on the planet. A nation of over-indulgent Gays of near minimal hetero-breeding capability, for want of preference to have little white fluffy dogs as pets to can 'afford' to go to expensive VETS.

Yes - the HYPOCRISY is evident.

Me thinks the Irish Writer needs to point the blame at the USA/UK/Eire and WESTERN (North America & Western Europe) ways that made Africa in its own image.



...now one day, Mr Fred Hollows paid Eritrea a visit and his 'influence' there sparked a disciplined, self-sufficient, independent, honourable 'culture' of pride and progression.
Eritrea 'sparkled' and grew as if seeing the light for the first time.

...of course, after Mr Hollows passed on. Eritrea was to find itself 'bullied' by the much larger Ethiopia and turn back into that lazy AFRICAN-AMERICAN style of being lazy, based on lust and living in a card-board box with a glory hole.

Yep - YOU WESTERNERS used your 'domination' via POWER to make Africa what it is today.

...but hey, this is where the 'real' Australia will come into it and I'm not talking about the
'Western'
version either  Wink


BS... doogooders feeding them made them what they are today. And where the colonizers have left they have turned back into what they were pre-colonisation. Learnt nothing.
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OLD:

In the UK (Northern Hemisphere) - its was/is the RICH Political peoples who are innocent and the poor were 'CRIMINALS'. (it can be said for the USA too)
(reverse for ART, in the Northern Hemisphere).

NEW:
In Australia (Southern Hemisphere) - it is the RICH Political peoples who are the CRIMINALS and the poor who are the 'innocents'.

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Reply #19 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 9:23pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
The problems in Africa are not attributable to a few centuries of colonisation. They are attributable to a millennia or more of supplying slaves for the regional and global trade, and 1400 years or Muslim rule across the north. The social and political institutions they have today were shaped during that era and are not going to change in a hurry.

The problem is not only in Africa, it is in Asia, South America, the Middle East where the population is increasing at an alarming rate, and if this is not stopped there will hardly enough room for people to lay down.
So rather than support people to keep on breeding, they should be provided with contraceptives and forced to stop breeding excessively; but for that to happen the world leaders have to become more honest and speak openly. Unfortunately in a Democracy that cannot happen, because the electors cannot stand the truth and will always vote for candidate who promises them what they aspire to, be it good or bad.

There is a lot of talk about civilizations and humanity, yet so far no such thing has ever existed on planet earth.
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Reply #20 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 9:42pm
 
yes..

pictures of little kids with flies on their faces to sucker in the Western Society...

MrA did warn us all....  Wink

thanks for that Gnads...

it was very interesting to see the Figures of misery that the socialist leftwing bleeding hearts have caused... Angry
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Reply #21 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 9:50pm
 
Poor little White Men,
living in Europe and the stolen continents of Nth America & Australia.

Can't hack the fact that they are 'slaves' - building a world for the Darkies to out-breed them.

See - love conquers white people and their 'power'.
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We don't hold Africans in high esteem because they show no evidence of having created a society of any value. Western men and women hold their standards higher than African men and women. Africans are not going to do well when the West stops funding their meals and any semblance of a better standard of living.
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UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:07am:
We don't hold Africans in high esteem because they show no evidence of having created a society of any value. Western men and women hold their standards higher than African men and women. Africans are not going to do well when the West stops funding their meals and any semblance of a better standard of living.


Does that include stopping the planes?

Africa for The Africans, after all....... two way street, innit?
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Reply #24 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 9:17am
 
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 9:50pm:
Poor little White Men,
living in Europe and the stolen continents of Nth America & Australia.

Can't hack the fact that they are 'slaves' - building a world for the Darkies to out-breed them.

See - love conquers white people and their 'power'.
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Stop feeding them and see how many survive to 'out-breed' us in any meaningful way other than short, nasty life spans... best thing we could do for them..... they could breed to their heart's content in Africa and Asia...... shut the gates and lock them ......

We're busy building a better life and society so we can feed and arm them so they can kill one another with greater efficiency ....

Footnote:-  I have enormous sympathy and empathy with starving kids etc, and would be happy to do aid work - but being part of that industry is a waste of time and energy that could be better put to use saving Australia and the West from itself........ now ... to real issues ... we've 'Lima Declaration'ed' China - not put it back in the Dark Ages and let's get on with solving our own problems at home.... all building it up as an 'industrial giant' has done is to create the same problems as the West.... one mega-fat cat for every billion poor cats....

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Reply #25 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 9:37am
 
miketrees wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 12:55pm:
Its an uncomfortable truth.



absolutely.....and he says it well..

we have been brainwashed into thinking MONEY is a cure all...do we ever really think that money goes where we think it is??????.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes.. and do we ever seriously think it will fix anything?....when I read how the population has grown in Ethiopia...its staggering...

this is written by a man who has travelled in this country he speaks from first hand experience...and calls a spade a spade...

its ugly   and confronting....but why pretend..its a better place thanks to CHARITY..
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Reply #26 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 11:45am
 
Yeee-usssh - up to 90% of aid money goes into 'administration' or into the bank accounts of the warlords of one kind or another.... it's a joke.
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Reply #27 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 11:56am
 
yes but us virtuous ones think our money works... well it does for us doesnt it???

I see where women in England prefer shopping to sex...lol...which one costs the most??.. Wink Wink

at the end of the day charity keeps people down it stops them helping themselves.....why should they??..

they is it too hard for these people to dig holes to find water???...they are still dependent on the West to do that..it will be interesting to watch Sth Africa  and where their leadership leads them...
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Reply #28 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:26pm
 
hawil wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 9:23pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
The problems in Africa are not attributable to a few centuries of colonisation. They are attributable to a millennia or more of supplying slaves for the regional and global trade, and 1400 years or Muslim rule across the north. The social and political institutions they have today were shaped during that era and are not going to change in a hurry.

The problem is not only in Africa, it is in Asia, South America, the Middle East where the population is increasing at an alarming rate, and if this is not stopped there will hardly enough room for people to lay down.
So rather than support people to keep on breeding, they should be provided with contraceptives and forced to stop breeding excessively; but for that to happen the world leaders have to become more honest and speak openly. Unfortunately in a Democracy that cannot happen, because the electors cannot stand the truth and will always vote for candidate who promises them what they aspire to, be it good or bad.

There is a lot of talk about civilizations and humanity, yet so far no such thing has ever existed on planet earth.


I think conservative US politicians have quarantined all foreign aid from any organisations that think about providing family planning services (contraceptives, abortions etc).
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Reply #29 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:18pm
 
cods wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 11:56am:
yes but us virtuous ones think our money works... well it does for us doesnt it???

I see where women in England prefer shopping to sex...lol...which one costs the most??.. Wink Wink

at the end of the day charity keeps people down it stops them helping themselves.....why should they??..

they is it too hard for these people to dig holes to find water???...they are still dependent on the West to do that..it will be interesting to watch Sth Africa  and where their leadership leads them...



Their current leadership will lead them down the road of famine, mass killings, wars and a return to the ancient tribal feuds... if the Whites had any sense they'd be signing up as refugees now... before it's too late.

The Washing Of the Spears is a good read - it deals mostly with Blacks killing Blacks, and the Zulu Wars get only a few pages... the Poms killed a few thousand Zulus - the Zulus killed hundreds of thousands of other tribes.... and so it went on and on for centuries....
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Reply #30 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:30pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:18pm:
cods wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 11:56am:
yes but us virtuous ones think our money works... well it does for us doesnt it???

I see where women in England prefer shopping to sex...lol...which one costs the most??.. Wink Wink

at the end of the day charity keeps people down it stops them helping themselves.....why should they??..

they is it too hard for these people to dig holes to find water???...they are still dependent on the West to do that..it will be interesting to watch Sth Africa  and where their leadership leads them...



Their current leadership will lead them down the road of famine, mass killings, wars and a return to the ancient tribal feuds... if the Whites had any sense they'd be signing up as refugees now... before it's too late.

The Washing Of the Spears is a good read - it deals mostly with Blacks killing Blacks, and the Zulu Wars get only a few pages... the Poms killed a few thousand Zulus - the Zulus killed hundreds of thousands of other tribes.... and so it went on and on for centuries....



killing for some men and cultures is the only solution...look we sell guns and bombs to nations that kill.. we have no conscience doing that... its business...

if you want to compare one tribe against another how about the IRISH for starters....they have been killing each other for centuries...although we try to pretend that isnt so... Angry Angry

have you ever seen the bloody great walls they built there mainly in Belfast...to stop Irishman killing each other......this is modern day Ireland...its how they live NOW.....the one in Berlin has not long come down....

these are barriers.....they not only keep one in  they also keep others out....

we are all capable of killing our brothers... Angry Angry
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Reply #31 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 3:37pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 9:13am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:07am:
We don't hold Africans in high esteem because they show no evidence of having created a society of any value. Western men and women hold their standards higher than African men and women. Africans are not going to do well when the West stops funding their meals and any semblance of a better standard of living.


Does that include stopping the planes?

Africa for The Africans, after all....... two way street, innit?


I have heard the song. Africa for the Africans. Asia for the Asians. White countries... for everyone.

Economic aid does not include the economic development brought about by foreign industry requiring low paid workers. Though, those industries would probably want to continue to need humanitarian aid in order to continue their industry in those low-paid worker countries.
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Reply #32 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 3:49pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 3:37pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 9:13am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:07am:
We don't hold Africans in high esteem because they show no evidence of having created a society of any value. Western men and women hold their standards higher than African men and women. Africans are not going to do well when the West stops funding their meals and any semblance of a better standard of living.


Does that include stopping the planes?

Africa for The Africans, after all....... two way street, innit?


I have heard the song. Africa for the Africans. Asia for the Asians. White countries... for everyone.

Economic aid does not include the economic development brought about by foreign industry requiring low paid workers. Though, those industries would probably want to continue to need humanitarian aid in order to continue their industry in those low-paid worker countries.


The introduction of aid and the Lima Agreement have not materially improved the lot of the majority in any of the 'newly industrialised nations' - the ages-old social and economic divisions remain the same... even in that 'emerging industrial giant' China, the AWE is $7000 while the Big Party Boys, in true socialist democratic style, reap billions... and even the CHIMP (Chinese Industrial Manufacturing Person) has an AWE of around $56,000 ...

No wonder the joint is straining for democracy... another clear example of a deep and underlying malaise that few can effectively articulate, but which the many feel in their water.... i.e. that something is rotten in the State of Denmark...
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Re: An Irishman's insight on Africa
Reply #33 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:47pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:26pm:
hawil wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 9:23pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
The problems in Africa are not attributable to a few centuries of colonisation. They are attributable to a millennia or more of supplying slaves for the regional and global trade, and 1400 years or Muslim rule across the north. The social and political institutions they have today were shaped during that era and are not going to change in a hurry.

The problem is not only in Africa, it is in Asia, South America, the Middle East where the population is increasing at an alarming rate, and if this is not stopped there will hardly enough room for people to lay down.
So rather than support people to keep on breeding, they should be provided with contraceptives and forced to stop breeding excessively; but for that to happen the world leaders have to become more honest and speak openly. Unfortunately in a Democracy that cannot happen, because the electors cannot stand the truth and will always vote for candidate who promises them what they aspire to, be it good or bad.

There is a lot of talk about civilizations and humanity, yet so far no such thing has ever existed on planet earth.


I think conservative US politicians have quarantined all foreign aid from any organisations that think about providing family planning services (contraceptives, abortions etc).

The problem in this world seems to be, that we have the worst people in leadership, which either don't know common sense, or just simply ignore it.
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Reply #34 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:03pm
 
hawil wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:47pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 12:26pm:
hawil wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 9:23pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
The problems in Africa are not attributable to a few centuries of colonisation. They are attributable to a millennia or more of supplying slaves for the regional and global trade, and 1400 years or Muslim rule across the north. The social and political institutions they have today were shaped during that era and are not going to change in a hurry.

The problem is not only in Africa, it is in Asia, South America, the Middle East where the population is increasing at an alarming rate, and if this is not stopped there will hardly enough room for people to lay down.
So rather than support people to keep on breeding, they should be provided with contraceptives and forced to stop breeding excessively; but for that to happen the world leaders have to become more honest and speak openly. Unfortunately in a Democracy that cannot happen, because the electors cannot stand the truth and will always vote for candidate who promises them what they aspire to, be it good or bad.

There is a lot of talk about civilizations and humanity, yet so far no such thing has ever existed on planet earth.


I think conservative US politicians have quarantined all foreign aid from any organisations that think about providing family planning services (contraceptives, abortions etc).

The problem in this world seems to be, that we have the worst people in leadership, which either don't know common sense, or just simply ignore it.



The old adage that those who seek power are usually the last people you would want to hold it.... holds true....
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