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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 28107 Gender:	What happened to the same sex marriage boom? Jul 7^th, 2018 at 6:58pm https://www.spectator.com.au/2018/07/whatever-happened-to-that-same-sex-marriage... There was another agenda .... & that goes on.
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President Elect, The Mechanic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17501 Gender:	Re: What happened to the same sex marriage boom? Reply #1 - Jul 7^th, 2018 at 8:51pm it turned into plastic bags....
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Reply #2 - Jul 7^th, 2018 at 9:26pm

I said over and over again that it was a minority of a minority that wanted to get married and that there was no need to change thousands of years of tradition and the meaning of marriage for such a small amount of people.

That it was being driven by LW prog radicals with a gender agenda who supported the safe schools program, but no, the truth and evidence was brushed aside by the largely LW media and stupid politicians. Roll Eyes

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Reply #3 - Jul 7^th, 2018 at 9:30pm

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So, there you have it, folks. The vast majority of the Australian public has been conned. The LGBTIQ community never really wanted to get married. At least, that’s what 94.3 per cent of them actually think. But that shouldn’t really surprise us, because as Marsha Gessen, the lesbian political activist, told the 2012 Sydney Writer’s Festival: “Fighting for gay marriage generally involves lying about what we are going to do with marriage when we get there. Because we lie that the institution of marriage is not going to change. And that is a lie.”

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 57159 Here Gender:	Re: What happened to the same sex marriage boom? Reply #4 - Jul 7^th, 2018 at 9:59pm What happened to the same sex marriage boom? Another made up bit of fake news. Nobody said or expected a same sex marriage boom. On the other side of the coin the supporters could rightly argue that the world didn't end either ?
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Jasin Gold Member Online Posts: 46549 Gender:	Re: What happened to the same sex marriage boom? Reply #5 - Jul 7^th, 2018 at 10:17pm What usually happens to same sex. It goes nowhere (no procreation) but up **** creek.
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Reply #6 - Jul 7^th, 2018 at 10:49pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 9:59pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

Another made up bit of fake news.

Nobody said or expected a same sex marriage boom.

On the other side of the coin the supporters could rightly argue that the world didn't end either ?

Rubbish read the article... or maybe go back and read some of the pro SSM garbage spouted before that is posted on this site.

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Reply #7 - Jul 7^th, 2018 at 11:32pm

I suppose then that all those fifteen year olds who would suicide unless they got the 'right' to marry won't be doing it even though they don't 'marry'?

Big Bad Bill was so terrified of a rash of suicides unless the poor darlings got a 'right' to 'marry'...

Just fakes news I suppose... oh, well.........

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Raven Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2981 Around	Re: What happened to the same sex marriage boom? Reply #8 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 12:57am What happened to the same sex marriage boom? Probably the same thing that happened to the heterosexual marriage boom. People getting married whenever they want to.
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 28107 Gender:	Re: What happened to the same sex marriage boom? Reply #9 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 7:57am Raven wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 12:57am: What happened to the same sex marriage boom? Probably the same thing that happened to the heterosexual marriage boom. People getting married whenever they want to. So why the big waste of money?
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Reply #10 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 9:41am

Gnads wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 7:57am:

Raven wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 12:57am:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

Probably the same thing that happened to the heterosexual marriage boom. People getting married whenever they want to.

So why the big waste of money? Roll Eyes

The point was that people in same sex relationships could not get married when they wanted too or at all.

Yes the big waste of money was only Turnbull grandstanding over a decision that he and the politicians didn't have the guts to make themselves.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: What happened to the same sex marriage boom? Reply #11 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 10:12am You want to make a major change to society then you have a responsibility and duty to ask society not simply ram some idiotic change down their throat. Pity the debate was so dishonest though eh and that the tiny minority had the useful idiots supporting them in numbers for no reason.
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Reply #12 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 10:42am

So 5.7% of 0.2 of Australia's population made these MAJOR changes.

I still dont believe the final result of 62%, although its law and I respect it, I don't believe it.

WHY.........???

Anglos majority would have said no

Europeans majority would have said no

Asians majority would have said no

Muslims majority would have said no

IMO

So where did the 62% come from....???

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Reply #13 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 11:08am

Ajax wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 10:42am:

So 5.7% of 0.2 of Australia's population made these MAJOR changes.

I still dont believe the final result of 62%, although its law and I respect it, I don't believe it.

WHY.........???

Anglos majority would have said no

Europeans majority would have said no

Asians majority would have said no

Muslims majority would have said no

IMO

So where did the 62% come from....???

Rational people

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: What happened to the same sex marriage boom? Reply #14 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 11:10am Certainly not sensible people Spot. I have heard the rational argument... Oh FFS these people won't go away till we give them what they want.
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Reply #15 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 11:21am

Grendel wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 11:10am:

Certainly not sensible people Spot. Cheesy

I have heard the rational argument... Oh FFS these people won't go away till we give them what they want.

that was pretty much what happened I feel! I voted NO in the end because I was sick of being told I had to vote YES.. thats what I HAD TO DO....and I didnt like what was happening in the lead up to the postal....far too aggressive for my liking...

however my intention was to vote yes and get the bloody thing off the govt priority list.... bad attitude I know...but seriously the years and time it took up....pinged me off....I couldnt careless what they do to be honest its none of my business......

but when the running of the country stops to talk about it... grrrrrrrrrrrr

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Reply #16 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 11:29am

Grendel wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 10:12am:

You want to make a major change to society then you have a responsibility and duty to ask society not simply ram some idiotic change down their throat.
Pity the debate was so dishonest though eh and that the tiny minority had the useful idiots supporting them in numbers for no reason.

Major change to society - when did that happen?

Society is functioning just the same as it did before.

Have I missed something?

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Reply #17 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 11:36am

Similarly to cods, I was going to vote yes until the campaign got under way with all its vicious cat-fighting and bitchery and whining and complaining.... my reason originally was that it did no harm and might do some good - but seeing as the specific demographic demonstrated clearly in the lead-up to this non-binding vote that they were scarcely a responsible and adult lot - I reversed my decision, since if they were unable to sustain a reasoned argument, they were not constitutionally capable of upholding the responsibilities of marriage.

On the other hand I'm still waiting for an invitation from a reasonable gay pair I know to their marriage... maybe we should just restrict gay marriage to those capable of upholding it properly.

Nothing to do with heterosexual divorce etc - separate issue - always was and still is.

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Reply #18 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 1:45pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 11:08am:

Ajax wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 10:42am:

So 5.7% of 0.2 of Australia's population made these MAJOR changes.

I still dont believe the final result of 62%, although its law and I respect it, I don't believe it.

WHY.........???

Anglos majority would have said no

Europeans majority would have said no

Asians majority would have said no

Muslims majority would have said no

IMO

So where did the 62% come from....???

Rational people

Spot

What's rational about institutionalizing sodomy?

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Reply #19 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 1:47pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 11:29am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 10:12am:

You want to make a major change to society then you have a responsibility and duty to ask society not simply ram some idiotic change down their throat.
Pity the debate was so dishonest though eh and that the tiny minority had the useful idiots supporting them in numbers for no reason.

Major change to society - when did that happen?

Society is functioning just the same as it did before.

Have I missed something?

You missed everything but we all know you're only lying so carry on Cheesy

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Reply #20 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 1:52pm

TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 1:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 11:29am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 10:12am:

You want to make a major change to society then you have a responsibility and duty to ask society not simply ram some idiotic change down their throat.
Pity the debate was so dishonest though eh and that the tiny minority had the useful idiots supporting them in numbers for no reason.

Major change to society - when did that happen?

Society is functioning just the same as it did before.

Have I missed something?

You missed everything but we all know you're only lying so carry on Cheesy

Where's the major change to society?

I haven't seen it.

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Reply #21 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 1:55pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 1:52pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 1:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 11:29am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 10:12am:

You want to make a major change to society then you have a responsibility and duty to ask society not simply ram some idiotic change down their throat.
Pity the debate was so dishonest though eh and that the tiny minority had the useful idiots supporting them in numbers for no reason.

Major change to society - when did that happen?

Society is functioning just the same as it did before.

Have I missed something?

You missed everything but we all know you're only lying so carry on Cheesy

Where's the major change to society?

I haven't seen it.

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Reply #22 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 4:43pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 1:52pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 1:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 11:29am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 10:12am:

You want to make a major change to society then you have a responsibility and duty to ask society not simply ram some idiotic change down their throat.
Pity the debate was so dishonest though eh and that the tiny minority had the useful idiots supporting them in numbers for no reason.

Major change to society - when did that happen?

Society is functioning just the same as it did before.

Have I missed something?

You missed everything but we all know you're only lying so carry on Cheesy

Where's the major change to society?

I haven't seen it.

all its done is upset the Lesbians... Grin

Quote:

Lesbians Hijack London Gay Pride Parade – Force Mayor Khan to Walk Behind Them

transphobic
lesbians hijacked the London Gay Pride Parade on Saturday.

The lesbian group is anti-transactivism.
They believe the trans movement is a threat to lesbianism.

Sadiq Khan cut the ribbon to start this year’s parade… but was quickly pushed behind the radical lesbians.

Pink News reported:

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has condemned protesters who hijacked the Pride in London parade and distributed anti-transgender resources.

PinkNews reported live from the Pride in London march earlier today (July 7) as a group of radical feminist campaigners forced their way into the front of the march.

After brief negotiations Pride in London organisers took the decision not to remove the protesters, who subsequently led the Pride parade across much of its route bearing the sign
“Transactivism erases lesbians” while distributing anti-transgender leaflets…

…The Mayor was initially meant to lead the march, but for much of the route was stuck behind the protesters.

The decision to allow the protesters to take the head of the Pride parade has led to strong criticism of Pride in London, with some LGBT campaigners calling on organisers to resign.

LGBT+ Lib Dems. Chair Jennie Rigg said “I am appalled that transphobic protesters were allowed to lead the march and the crowd asked to cheer them on.

This is a betrayal of the thousands marching. The Pride organisers should resign and offer a full apology.”

dear lord... how many times do these fruitcakes have to "Come Out" ... Roll Eyes

Melbourne City council is going to spend another 70 Thousand Dollars on another "Coming Out" party for the queers again this year... and they want to continue it every year...

just pissing tax payers money away... ffs.. Roll Eyes

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Reply #23 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 4:54pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 11:29am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 10:12am:

You want to make a major change to society then you have a responsibility and duty to ask society not simply ram some idiotic change down their throat.
Pity the debate was so dishonest though eh and that the tiny minority had the useful idiots supporting them in numbers for no reason.

Major change to society - when did that happen?

Society is functioning just the same as it did before.

Have I missed something?

oh dear
YOU get so many things wrong don't you.
I'd give you advice like THINK ABOUT IT... but that would simply be a waste of time. Roll Eyes

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Reply #25 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 5:08pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 4:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 11:29am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 10:12am:

You want to make a major change to society then you have a responsibility and duty to ask society not simply ram some idiotic change down their throat.
Pity the debate was so dishonest though eh and that the tiny minority had the useful idiots supporting them in numbers for no reason.

Major change to society - when did that happen?

Society is functioning just the same as it did before.

Have I missed something?

oh dear
YOU get so many things wrong don't you.
I'd give you advice like THINK ABOUT IT... but that would simply be a waste of time. Roll Eyes

So, no major change to society?

I thought so.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95415 Melbourne Gender:	Re: What happened to the same sex marriage boom? Reply #26 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 5:11pm miketrees wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 5:00pm: It was not such a boom as a lot of little bangs A lot of bum banging for sure.
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Reply #27 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 5:16pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 5:11pm:

miketrees wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 5:00pm:

It was not such a boom as a lot of little bangs

A lot of bum banging for sure.

Booby's fascination continues.

When I think of SSM, I imagine two sexy women kissing.

Booby, on the other hand, imagines two men having anal sex.

That says a lot.

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Reply #28 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 5:20pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 5:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 5:11pm:

miketrees wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 5:00pm:

It was not such a boom as a lot of little bangs

A lot of bum banging for sure.

Booby's fascination continues.

When I think of SSM, I imagine two sexy women kissing.

Bobby, on the other hand, imagines two men having anal sex.

That says a lot.

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Reply #29 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 5:22pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 5:08pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 4:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 11:29am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 10:12am:

You want to make a major change to society then you have a responsibility and duty to ask society not simply ram some idiotic change down their throat.
Pity the debate was so dishonest though eh and that the tiny minority had the useful idiots supporting them in numbers for no reason.

Major change to society - when did that happen?

Society is functioning just the same as it did before.

Have I missed something?

oh dear
YOU get so many things wrong don't you.
I'd give you advice like THINK ABOUT IT... but that would simply be a waste of time. Roll Eyes

So, no major change to society?

I thought so.

Even for a TROLL you make a pretty big idiot. Roll Eyes

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Reply #30 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 5:22pm

Ajax wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 10:42am:

So 5.7% of 0.2 of Australia's population made these MAJOR changes.

I still dont believe the final result of 62%, although its law and I respect it, I don't believe it.

WHY.........???

Anglos majority would have said no

Europeans majority would have said no

Asians majority would have said no

Muslims majority would have said no

IMO

So where did the 62% come from....???

Same train of thought as those that said yes to the aborigines becoming citizens of Australia. Just that there was no reason to deny someone a right to become married because of their sexuality. The only difference was that it was a 60/40 vote for gay marriage, rather than the 90/10 vote for aboriginal citizenship.

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Reply #31 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 5:27pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 5:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 5:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 5:11pm:

miketrees wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 5:00pm:

It was not such a boom as a lot of little bangs

A lot of bum banging for sure.

Booby's fascination continues.

When I think of SSM, I imagine two sexy women kissing.

Bobby, on the other hand, imagines two men having anal sex.

That says a lot.

yuck

Yes.

The thought of two sexy women kissing disgusts you.

No surprises there, Booby.

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Reply #32 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 5:28pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 5:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 5:08pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 4:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 11:29am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 10:12am:

You want to make a major change to society then you have a responsibility and duty to ask society not simply ram some idiotic change down their throat.
Pity the debate was so dishonest though eh and that the tiny minority had the useful idiots supporting them in numbers for no reason.

Major change to society - when did that happen?

Society is functioning just the same as it did before.

Have I missed something?

oh dear
YOU get so many things wrong don't you.
I'd give you advice like THINK ABOUT IT... but that would simply be a waste of time. Roll Eyes

So, no major change to society?

I thought so.

Even for a TROLL you make a pretty big idiot. Roll Eyes

Are you going to explain this major change to society, or are you going to keep us all guessing?

I'm curious.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: What happened to the same sex marriage boom? Reply #33 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 9:13pm Are you going to engage your brain in the process of intelligent thought or keep asking me stupid questions? Cause I'm pretty sure you are the only one who is clueless on this.
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Reply #34 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 9:39pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 10:49pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 9:59pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

Another made up bit of fake news.

Nobody said or expected a same sex marriage boom.

On the other side of the coin the supporters could rightly argue that the world didn't end either ?

Rubbish read the article... or maybe go back and read some of the pro SSM garbage spouted before that is posted on this site.

The vast majority just said that it was the right thing to do - end of story.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: What happened to the same sex marriage boom? Reply #35 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 10:28pm Vast majority? I don't think so. Many idiotic so-called Conservatives voted for it to shut you people up.
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Reply #36 - Jul 9^th, 2018 at 3:03am

Even the homos now realize what an utterly ridiculous and bizarre thing it is for two people of the same sex to get married, it would be just as ridiculous for one person to marry them self, the poofs got into a tiff and went flying off on a tangent as they do, being weirdos. They are now and will forever be ridiculed and mocked for their weirdness.

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Reply #37 - Jul 9^th, 2018 at 6:03am

cods wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 11:21am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 11:10am:

Certainly not sensible people Spot. Cheesy

I have heard the rational argument... Oh FFS these people won't go away till we give them what they want.

that was pretty much what happened I feel! I voted NO in the end because I was sick of being told I had to vote YES.. thats what I HAD TO DO....and I didnt like what was happening in the lead up to the postal....far too aggressive for my liking...

however my intention was to vote yes and get the bloody thing off the govt priority list.... bad attitude I know...but seriously the years and time it took up....pinged me off....I couldnt careless what they do to be honest its none of my business......

but when the running of the country stops to talk about it... grrrrrrrrrrrr

Seriously. You voted no because you were sick of being told to vote yes? How the f.uck does that work?

"I intended to vote yes but I was told to vote yes so I'm going to vote no instead."

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Reply #38 - Jul 9^th, 2018 at 6:10am

Johnnie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2018 at 3:03am:

Even the homos now realize what an utterly ridiculous and bizarre thing it is for two people of the same sex to get married, it would be just as ridiculous for one person to marry them self, the poofs got into a tiff and went flying off on a tangent as they do, being weirdos. They are now and will forever be ridiculed and mocked for their weirdness.

Really? What makes you say that?

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Reply #40 - Jul 9^th, 2018 at 9:09am

Gnads wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 6:58pm:

https://www.spectator.com.au/2018/07/whatever-happened-to-that-same-sex-marriage...

There was another agenda .... & that goes on. Roll Eyes

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Reply #42 - Jul 9^th, 2018 at 12:00pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 5:22pm:

Ajax wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 10:42am:

So 5.7% of 0.2 of Australia's population made these MAJOR changes.

I still dont believe the final result of 62%, although its law and I respect it, I don't believe it.

WHY.........???

Anglos majority would have said no

Europeans majority would have said no

Asians majority would have said no

Muslims majority would have said no

IMO

So where did the 62% come from....???

Same train of thought as those that said yes to the aborigines becoming citizens of Australia. Just that there was no reason to deny someone a right to become married because of their sexuality. The only difference was that it was a 60/40 vote for gay marriage, rather than the 90/10 vote for aboriginal citizenship.

Let's not go over the definition of marriage and under what circumstances it may be entered into... not again.... there is no right to become married.... it's a matter of personal choice bounded by rules...

Rules? In a knife fight?

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Reply #45 - Jul 9^th, 2018 at 1:42pm

Johnnie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2018 at 3:03am:

Even the homos now realize what an utterly ridiculous and bizarre thing it is for two people of the same sex to get married, it would be just as ridiculous for one person to marry them self, the poofs got into a tiff and went flying off on a tangent as they do, being weirdos. They are now and will forever be ridiculed and mocked for their weirdness.

This is your strongest comment ever: although I must admit I haven't read all your comments but this one I highly recommend as a very good one!

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Reply #47 - Jul 9^th, 2018 at 1:45pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9^th, 2018 at 6:10am:

Johnnie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2018 at 3:03am:

Even the homos now realize what an utterly ridiculous and bizarre thing it is for two people of the same sex to get married, it would be just as ridiculous for one person to marry them self, the poofs got into a tiff and went flying off on a tangent as they do, being weirdos. They are now and will forever be ridiculed and mocked for their weirdness.

Really? What makes you say that?

Spot

The fact that they aren't all rushing out to get married.... the facts are most of them are digusted by their own sexuality and will never bother getting married out of their own shame!

Go on, tell me I'm wrong Grin

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Reply #48 - Jul 9^th, 2018 at 1:47pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 9:39pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 10:49pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 9:59pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

Another made up bit of fake news.

Nobody said or expected a same sex marriage boom.

On the other side of the coin the supporters could rightly argue that the world didn't end either ?

Rubbish read the article... or maybe go back and read some of the pro SSM garbage spouted before that is posted on this site.

The vast majority just said that it was the right thing to do - end of story.

What was the percentage of people who didn't vote again?

You should double- check your numbers before you get all pretend scientific brutha

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Reply #49 - Jul 9^th, 2018 at 1:50pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 1:52pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 1:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 11:29am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 10:12am:

You want to make a major change to society then you have a responsibility and duty to ask society not simply ram some idiotic change down their throat.
Pity the debate was so dishonest though eh and that the tiny minority had the useful idiots supporting them in numbers for no reason.

Major change to society - when did that happen?

Society is functioning just the same as it did before.

Have I missed something?

You missed everything but we all know you're only lying so carry on Cheesy

Where's the major change to society?

I haven't seen it.

You mentioned it and still pretend you haven't seen it: you can only trick the odd kid every now and again but that's alright for boring criminal vico park scum like you!

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Reply #50 - Jul 9^th, 2018 at 2:04pm

TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 9^th, 2018 at 1:45pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9^th, 2018 at 6:10am:

Johnnie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2018 at 3:03am:

Even the homos now realize what an utterly ridiculous and bizarre thing it is for two people of the same sex to get married, it would be just as ridiculous for one person to marry them self, the poofs got into a tiff and went flying off on a tangent as they do, being weirdos. They are now and will forever be ridiculed and mocked for their weirdness.

Really? What makes you say that?

Spot

The fact that they aren't all rushing out to get married.... the facts are most of them are digusted by their own sexuality and will never bother getting married out of their own shame!

Go on, tell me I'm wrong Grin

You are wrong.

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Reply #51 - Jul 9^th, 2018 at 2:05pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9^th, 2018 at 2:04pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 9^th, 2018 at 1:45pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9^th, 2018 at 6:10am:

Johnnie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2018 at 3:03am:

Even the homos now realize what an utterly ridiculous and bizarre thing it is for two people of the same sex to get married, it would be just as ridiculous for one person to marry them self, the poofs got into a tiff and went flying off on a tangent as they do, being weirdos. They are now and will forever be ridiculed and mocked for their weirdness.

Really? What makes you say that?

Spot

The fact that they aren't all rushing out to get married.... the facts are most of them are digusted by their own sexuality and will never bother getting married out of their own shame!

Go on, tell me I'm wrong Grin

You are wrong.

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Reply #52 - Jul 9^th, 2018 at 7:08pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 4:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 1:52pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 1:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 11:29am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 10:12am:

You want to make a major change to society then you have a responsibility and duty to ask society not simply ram some idiotic change down their throat.
Pity the debate was so dishonest though eh and that the tiny minority had the useful idiots supporting them in numbers for no reason.

Major change to society - when did that happen?

Society is functioning just the same as it did before.

Have I missed something?

You missed everything but we all know you're only lying so carry on Cheesy

Where's the major change to society?

I haven't seen it.

all its done is upset the Lesbians... Grin

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Lesbians Hijack London Gay Pride Parade – Force Mayor Khan to Walk Behind Them

transphobic
lesbians hijacked the London Gay Pride Parade on Saturday.

The lesbian group is anti-transactivism.
They believe the trans movement is a threat to lesbianism.

Sadiq Khan cut the ribbon to start this year’s parade… but was quickly pushed behind the radical lesbians.

Pink News reported:

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has condemned protesters who hijacked the Pride in London parade and distributed anti-transgender resources.

PinkNews reported live from the Pride in London march earlier today (July 7) as a group of radical feminist campaigners forced their way into the front of the march.

After brief negotiations Pride in London organisers took the decision not to remove the protesters, who subsequently led the Pride parade across much of its route bearing the sign
“Transactivism erases lesbians” while distributing anti-transgender leaflets…

…The Mayor was initially meant to lead the march, but for much of the route was stuck behind the protesters.

The decision to allow the protesters to take the head of the Pride parade has led to strong criticism of Pride in London, with some LGBT campaigners calling on organisers to resign.

LGBT+ Lib Dems. Chair Jennie Rigg said “I am appalled that transphobic protesters were allowed to lead the march and the crowd asked to cheer them on.

This is a betrayal of the thousands marching. The Pride organisers should resign and offer a full apology.”

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Melbourne City council is going to spend another 70 Thousand Dollars on another "Coming Out" party for the queers again this year... and they want to continue it every year...

just pissing tax payers money away... ffs.. Roll Eyes

Not only a threat to Lesbianism ,,,, its' threat to womens sports & even a big threat to womens pageants .....

as they've just crowned their first transgender Miss Universe Spains Angela Ponce( Grin

ponce)

So despite all the whinging & whining, man bashing, diversity, equality & quotas for women .........

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Reply #53 - Jul 9^th, 2018 at 7:13pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 9^th, 2018 at 9:09am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 6:58pm:

https://www.spectator.com.au/2018/07/whatever-happened-to-that-same-sex-marriage...

There was another agenda .... & that goes on. Roll Eyes

… and ANOTHER demented rant, from the same illiterate, far-right loon Tongue

https://www.spectator.com.au/2018/03/whats-left-to-like-at-the-abc/

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Reply #54 - Jul 9^th, 2018 at 7:22pm

There is only ONE Political (region) Nation on this planet
and that is the USA (Nth America).

The UK is nothing more than a Political 'colony' of the USA over in Europe.

...which means Australia is a Political FALSE PROPHET.
A lie. A corrupt impersonator. A fraud. Imposter.
More evil than Terrorism, Communism and more ...because it is a near exact 'reflection' of the USA (Politics).

So yes - the Same-Sex Marriage vote was 'fraudulant', but so are everything else that comes out of Australia's POLITICAL INDUSTRY.
They are not Politicians - they are 'imposters', false impersonators, who just put on a show for the Media and get paid a lot for it.

Face it.
The UK/Eire was over there in the 'West' of Europe.
Thus the true 'West' of the USA emerged 'west' of them.

Australia on the other hand is 'East' (of Eden), let alone 'south' as well.
If any part of Europe is truly reflective of Australia's future - it is the

Eastern European

nations.

Australian Politicians are the CRIMINALS. Angry

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Reply #55 - Jul 9^th, 2018 at 7:25pm

Jasin wrote on Jul 9^th, 2018 at 7:22pm:

There is only ONE Political (region) Nation on this planet
and that is the USA (Nth America).

The UK is nothing more than a Political 'colony' of the USA over in Europe.

...which means Australia is a Political FALSE PROPHET.
A lie. A corrupt impersonator. A fraud. Imposter.
More evil than Terrorism, Communism and more ...because it is a near exact 'reflection' of the USA (Politics).

So yes - the Same-Sex Marriage vote was 'fraudulant', but so are everything else that comes out of Australia's POLITICAL INDUSTRY.
They are not Politicians - they are 'imposters', false impersonators, who just put on a show for the Media and get paid a lot for it.

Face it.
The UK/Eire was over there in the 'West' of Europe.
Thus the true 'West' of the USA emerged 'west' of them.

Australia on the other hand is 'East' (of Eden), let alone 'south' as well.
If any part of Europe is truly reflective of Australia's future - it is the

Eastern European

nations.

Australian Politicians are the CRIMINALS. Angry

They learnt how to be from the Yanks & Poms.

It's all a boys club you know?

They've signed us all up for globalisation.

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Reply #56 - Jul 9^th, 2018 at 7:31pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 9^th, 2018 at 7:25pm:

Jasin wrote on Jul 9^th, 2018 at 7:22pm:

There is only ONE Political (region) Nation on this planet
and that is the USA (Nth America).

The UK is nothing more than a Political 'colony' of the USA over in Europe.

...which means Australia is a Political FALSE PROPHET.
A lie. A corrupt impersonator. A fraud. Imposter.
More evil than Terrorism, Communism and more ...because it is a near exact 'reflection' of the USA (Politics).

So yes - the Same-Sex Marriage vote was 'fraudulant', but so are everything else that comes out of Australia's POLITICAL INDUSTRY.
They are not Politicians - they are 'imposters', false impersonators, who just put on a show for the Media and get paid a lot for it.

Face it.
The UK/Eire was over there in the 'West' of Europe.
Thus the true 'West' of the USA emerged 'west' of them.

Australia on the other hand is 'East' (of Eden), let alone 'south' as well.
If any part of Europe is truly reflective of Australia's future - it is the

Eastern European

nations.

Australian Politicians are the CRIMINALS. Angry

They learnt how to be from the Yanks & Poms.

It's all a boys club you know?

They've signed us all up for globalisation.

An Anglo-saxon global 'empire' would be the most RACIST OF ALL RACISMS, if that were the case.

I put my fellow Black, Yellow, Red, Green, Brown, Blue, Grey Australians before my 'white' FOREIGN versions overseas.

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Reply #57 - Jul 9^th, 2018 at 10:45pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 9^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 9^th, 2018 at 9:09am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 6:58pm:

https://www.spectator.com.au/2018/07/whatever-happened-to-that-same-sex-marriage...

There was another agenda .... & that goes on. Roll Eyes

… and ANOTHER demented rant, from the same illiterate, far-right loon Tongue

https://www.spectator.com.au/2018/03/whats-left-to-like-at-the-abc/

I'm not far right ... If Iam .. then I'm as far right as your are wrong.

I was referring to the blogger, from the "Spectator"
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Reply #59 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:06am

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 8:57am:

Well, what happened to that hell is going to freeze over, and people is going to be turned gay en mass after legalization?

Get over it boys. Same sex marriage is now legal.

Yeah what happened to that... I never heard that from anyone except those supporting the SSM push.

Like I always said... NOT EVEN THE MAJORITY OF GAYS WANT TO MARRY... guess that is being born out eh.

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Reply #60 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:24am

Grendel wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:06am:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 8:57am:

Well, what happened to that hell is going to freeze over, and people is going to be turned gay en mass after legalization?

Get over it boys. Same sex marriage is now legal.

Yeah what happened to that... I never heard that from anyone except those supporting the SSM push.

Like I always said... NOT EVEN THE MAJORITY OF GAYS WANT TO MARRY... guess that is being born out eh.

It is not a matter of how many wants to get married. It is a matter of the right to get married when or if they choose. It is about freedom and equality

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Reply #61 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:30am

Grendel wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:06am:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 8:57am:

Well, what happened to that hell is going to freeze over, and people is going to be turned gay en mass after legalization?

Get over it boys. Same sex marriage is now legal.

Yeah what happened to that... I never heard that from anyone except those supporting the SSM push.

Like I always said... NOT EVEN THE MAJORITY OF GAYS WANT TO MARRY... guess that is being born out eh.

Perhaps they like to have long engagements - like a lot of heteros? Actually how do you know gays arent getting married?

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Reply #62 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:31am

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:24am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:06am:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 8:57am:

Well, what happened to that hell is going to freeze over, and people is going to be turned gay en mass after legalization?

Get over it boys. Same sex marriage is now legal.

Yeah what happened to that... I never heard that from anyone except those supporting the SSM push.

Like I always said... NOT EVEN THE MAJORITY OF GAYS WANT TO MARRY... guess that is being born out eh.

It is not a matter of how many wants to get married. It is a matter of the right to get married when or if they choose. It is about freedom and equality

Yes and spouse "rights".

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Reply #63 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:47am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:31am:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:24am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:06am:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 8:57am:

Well, what happened to that hell is going to freeze over, and people is going to be turned gay en mass after legalization?

Get over it boys. Same sex marriage is now legal.

Yeah what happened to that... I never heard that from anyone except those supporting the SSM push.

Like I always said... NOT EVEN THE MAJORITY OF GAYS WANT TO MARRY... guess that is being born out eh.

It is not a matter of how many wants to get married. It is a matter of the right to get married when or if they choose. It is about freedom and equality

Yes and spouse "rights".

Spot

Made another group of clientele for Divorce Lawyers.

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Reply #64 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:48am

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:47am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:31am:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:24am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:06am:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 8:57am:

Well, what happened to that hell is going to freeze over, and people is going to be turned gay en mass after legalization?

Get over it boys. Same sex marriage is now legal.

Yeah what happened to that... I never heard that from anyone except those supporting the SSM push.

Like I always said... NOT EVEN THE MAJORITY OF GAYS WANT TO MARRY... guess that is being born out eh.

It is not a matter of how many wants to get married. It is a matter of the right to get married when or if they choose. It is about freedom and equality

Yes and spouse "rights".

Spot

Made another group of clientele for Divorce Lawyers.

Business will be booming with that addition to the coffers.

Yeah, it might be.

So where's the problem?

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 28107 Gender:	Re: What happened to the same sex marriage boom? Reply #67 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:54am So you do understand the principles that marriage between a man & woman was based on do you not?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131540 Gender:	Re: What happened to the same sex marriage boom? Reply #68 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:56am Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:54am: So you do understand the principles that marriage between a man & woman was based on do you not? Is marriage between a man and a woman really necessary ... really? Yes or no?
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Reply #69 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:05am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:09am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:50am:

Was it really necessary .... really?

Is marriage between a man and a woman really necessary ... really?

Not really in our modern and protected society, where children can prosper without families as long as they don't run foul of paedos and drugs and street life etc, and families can be a single parent or a mingled mangled mass with higher daily casualties - but the difference is in the way the institution of marriage was installed initially...... marriage, like such things as law and other similar things, was organised to fit a specific set of circumstances..... like law, changing it needed a clear and present reason supported, in a democracy, by the views of the masses.

The continuing argument is over the virtue of a postal non-binding survey being used as the justification for changing that established institution. All the usual whining about teenagers threatening suicide and other mental deficiencies seems to have subsided now, and we are only left with the Usual Suspect trannie etc going the rat with an axe or similar due to hormonal, drug-related, and hysterical problems that should be treated in a different manner and arena.

The slow pace of 'gay marriage' is most likely due to their deeper-seated unwillingness to 'commit', and their preference in most cases for a free range lifestyle (and sometimes deathstyle)...... as for Bill's suicides - if they're gonna do it - they're gonna do it, and nothing will stop them.

Next round will be the same (pissy little) emotional blackmailers threatening suicide because of their serial 'unsuccessful' relationships lifestyle and 'how terribly they're treated by society and are bashed on every corner etc'... when they want to take the long jump, nothing can stop them, and the world is already full of nut cases. Cool

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Reply #70 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:09am

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:54am:

So you do understand the principles that marriage between a man & woman was based on do you not?

Yes - he does - and is unwilling to discuss the issue of any genuine compelling reason to change it. Gays should be content to be tolerated and enjoy a far lower rate of personal direct violence than heterosexual men, who suffer the most such incidence, not least of all from their own government and its agencies set up to ensure peace and rule of law.

Jeez - they even get affirmative action, and wait until Labor gets the hot seat and forces its 50% women on us - then 3% gays, 2.6% Muslims, 3% Aboriginals... maybe the Token African here and there, as long as she isn't White and part of The Oppressor Race ....

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Reply #72 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:10am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:09am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:50am:

Was it really necessary .... really?

Is marriage between a man and a woman really necessary ... really?

Not really - but the difference is in the way the institution of marriage was installed initially...... marriage, like such things as law and other similar things, was organised to fit a specific set of circumstances..... like law, changing it needed a clear and present reason supported, in a democracy, by the views of the masses.

The continuing argument is over the virtue of a postal non-binding survey being used as the justification for changing that established institution. All the usual whining about teenagers threatening suicide and other mental deficiencies seems to have subsided now, and we are only left with the Usual Suspect trannie etc going the rat with an axe or similar due to hormonal, drug-related, and hysterical problems that should be treated in a different manner and arena.

The slow pace of 'gay marriage' is most likely due to their deeper-seated unwillingness to 'commit', and their preference in most cases for a free range lifestyle (and sometimes deathstyle)...... as for Bill's suicides - if they're gonna do it - they're gonna do it, and nothing will stop them.

Next round will be the same (pissy little) emotional blackmailers threatening suicide because of their serial 'unsuccessful' relationships lifestyle and 'how terribly they're treated by society and are bashed on every corner etc'... when they want to take the long jump, nothing can stop them, and the world is already full of nut cases. Cool

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Why is it that this particular piece of legislation needed approval by the masses?

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Reply #74 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:17am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:09am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:54am:

So you do understand the principles that marriage between a man & woman was based on do you not?

Based on love for each other and a desire to spend their lives together and by doing it legally they have recourse if soemthing happens to the partner?

Spot

Define love.... a desire to spend their lives together is not the reason and purpose of marriage, and recourse to accepted partner's chattels etc can be (and should be) legally protected without marriage.

None of these is a reason or justification for marriage... let's ask peccary about his full range of issues in his own marriage.. just for enlightenment... was it purely because you wanted it, or it was it just pure 'love' (please define - like courage love has many aspects and approaches)... or were there other issues involved???

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Reply #75 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:19am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:17am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:09am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:54am:

So you do understand the principles that marriage between a man & woman was based on do you not?

Based on love for each other and a desire to spend their lives together and by doing it legally they have recourse if soemthing happens to the partner?

Spot

Define love.... a desire to spend their lives together is not the reason and purpose of marriage, and recourse to accepted partner's chattels etc can be (and should be) legally protected without marriage.

None of these is a reason or justification for marriage... let's ask peccary about his full range of issues in his own marriage.. just for enlightenment... was it purely because you wanted it, or it was it just pure 'love' (please define - like courage love has many aspects and approaches)... or were there other issues involved???

What is, then?

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Reply #76 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:25am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:10am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:09am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:50am:

Was it really necessary .... really?

Is marriage between a man and a woman really necessary ... really?

Not really - but the difference is in the way the institution of marriage was installed initially...... marriage, like such things as law and other similar things, was organised to fit a specific set of circumstances..... like law, changing it needed a clear and present reason supported, in a democracy, by the views of the masses.

The continuing argument is over the virtue of a postal non-binding survey being used as the justification for changing that established institution. All the usual whining about teenagers threatening suicide and other mental deficiencies seems to have subsided now, and we are only left with the Usual Suspect trannie etc going the rat with an axe or similar due to hormonal, drug-related, and hysterical problems that should be treated in a different manner and arena.

The slow pace of 'gay marriage' is most likely due to their deeper-seated unwillingness to 'commit', and their preference in most cases for a free range lifestyle (and sometimes deathstyle)...... as for Bill's suicides - if they're gonna do it - they're gonna do it, and nothing will stop them.

Next round will be the same (pissy little) emotional blackmailers threatening suicide because of their serial 'unsuccessful' relationships lifestyle and 'how terribly they're treated by society and are bashed on every corner etc'... when they want to take the long jump, nothing can stop them, and the world is already full of nut cases. Cool

Why?

Dozens of pieces of legislation get passed in parliament every year.

Why is it that this particular piece of legislation needed approval by the masses?

Because it was a 180 degree change in the definition of a mainstay of civilisation for millennia. It wasn't just a 'piece of legislation' that needed a simple change for a valid reason...

Are you advocating dictatorship of the elected body? Some Divine Right of Elected Government? Are you sure you wish to go down that route?

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Reply #77 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:28am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:25am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:10am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:09am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:50am:

Was it really necessary .... really?

Is marriage between a man and a woman really necessary ... really?

Not really - but the difference is in the way the institution of marriage was installed initially...... marriage, like such things as law and other similar things, was organised to fit a specific set of circumstances..... like law, changing it needed a clear and present reason supported, in a democracy, by the views of the masses.

The continuing argument is over the virtue of a postal non-binding survey being used as the justification for changing that established institution. All the usual whining about teenagers threatening suicide and other mental deficiencies seems to have subsided now, and we are only left with the Usual Suspect trannie etc going the rat with an axe or similar due to hormonal, drug-related, and hysterical problems that should be treated in a different manner and arena.

The slow pace of 'gay marriage' is most likely due to their deeper-seated unwillingness to 'commit', and their preference in most cases for a free range lifestyle (and sometimes deathstyle)...... as for Bill's suicides - if they're gonna do it - they're gonna do it, and nothing will stop them.

Next round will be the same (pissy little) emotional blackmailers threatening suicide because of their serial 'unsuccessful' relationships lifestyle and 'how terribly they're treated by society and are bashed on every corner etc'... when they want to take the long jump, nothing can stop them, and the world is already full of nut cases. Cool

Why?

Dozens of pieces of legislation get passed in parliament every year.

Why is it that this particular piece of legislation needed approval by the masses?

Because it was a 180 degree change in the definition of a mainstay of civilisation for millennia. It wasn't just a 'piece of legislation' that needed a simple change for a valid reason...

Are you advocating dictatorship of the elected body? Some Divine Right of Elected Government? Are you sure you wish to go down that route?

No, it wasn't.

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Reply #78 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:28am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:25am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:10am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:09am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:50am:

Was it really necessary .... really?

Is marriage between a man and a woman really necessary ... really?

Not really - but the difference is in the way the institution of marriage was installed initially...... marriage, like such things as law and other similar things, was organised to fit a specific set of circumstances..... like law, changing it needed a clear and present reason supported, in a democracy, by the views of the masses.

The continuing argument is over the virtue of a postal non-binding survey being used as the justification for changing that established institution. All the usual whining about teenagers threatening suicide and other mental deficiencies seems to have subsided now, and we are only left with the Usual Suspect trannie etc going the rat with an axe or similar due to hormonal, drug-related, and hysterical problems that should be treated in a different manner and arena.

The slow pace of 'gay marriage' is most likely due to their deeper-seated unwillingness to 'commit', and their preference in most cases for a free range lifestyle (and sometimes deathstyle)...... as for Bill's suicides - if they're gonna do it - they're gonna do it, and nothing will stop them.

Next round will be the same (pissy little) emotional blackmailers threatening suicide because of their serial 'unsuccessful' relationships lifestyle and 'how terribly they're treated by society and are bashed on every corner etc'... when they want to take the long jump, nothing can stop them, and the world is already full of nut cases. Cool

Why?

Dozens of pieces of legislation get passed in parliament every year.

Why is it that this particular piece of legislation needed approval by the masses?

Because it was a 180 degree change in the definition of a mainstay of civilisation for millennia. It wasn't just a 'piece of legislation' that needed a simple change for a valid reason...

Are you advocating dictatorship of the elected body? Some Divine Right of Elected Government? Are you sure you wish to go down that route?

Yes, it was.

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Reply #79 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:32am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:28am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:25am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:10am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:09am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:50am:

Was it really necessary .... really?

Is marriage between a man and a woman really necessary ... really?

Not really - but the difference is in the way the institution of marriage was installed initially...... marriage, like such things as law and other similar things, was organised to fit a specific set of circumstances..... like law, changing it needed a clear and present reason supported, in a democracy, by the views of the masses.

The continuing argument is over the virtue of a postal non-binding survey being used as the justification for changing that established institution. All the usual whining about teenagers threatening suicide and other mental deficiencies seems to have subsided now, and we are only left with the Usual Suspect trannie etc going the rat with an axe or similar due to hormonal, drug-related, and hysterical problems that should be treated in a different manner and arena.

The slow pace of 'gay marriage' is most likely due to their deeper-seated unwillingness to 'commit', and their preference in most cases for a free range lifestyle (and sometimes deathstyle)...... as for Bill's suicides - if they're gonna do it - they're gonna do it, and nothing will stop them.

Next round will be the same (pissy little) emotional blackmailers threatening suicide because of their serial 'unsuccessful' relationships lifestyle and 'how terribly they're treated by society and are bashed on every corner etc'... when they want to take the long jump, nothing can stop them, and the world is already full of nut cases. Cool

Why?

Dozens of pieces of legislation get passed in parliament every year.

Why is it that this particular piece of legislation needed approval by the masses?

Because it was a 180 degree change in the definition of a mainstay of civilisation for millennia. It wasn't just a 'piece of legislation' that needed a simple change for a valid reason...

Are you advocating dictatorship of the elected body? Some Divine Right of Elected Government? Are you sure you wish to go down that route?

No, it wasn't.

In reply I will quote the great philosopher Pauline:- Please Explain?

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Reply #81 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:36am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:28am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:25am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:10am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:09am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:50am:

Was it really necessary .... really?

Is marriage between a man and a woman really necessary ... really?

Not really - but the difference is in the way the institution of marriage was installed initially...... marriage, like such things as law and other similar things, was organised to fit a specific set of circumstances..... like law, changing it needed a clear and present reason supported, in a democracy, by the views of the masses.

The continuing argument is over the virtue of a postal non-binding survey being used as the justification for changing that established institution. All the usual whining about teenagers threatening suicide and other mental deficiencies seems to have subsided now, and we are only left with the Usual Suspect trannie etc going the rat with an axe or similar due to hormonal, drug-related, and hysterical problems that should be treated in a different manner and arena.

The slow pace of 'gay marriage' is most likely due to their deeper-seated unwillingness to 'commit', and their preference in most cases for a free range lifestyle (and sometimes deathstyle)...... as for Bill's suicides - if they're gonna do it - they're gonna do it, and nothing will stop them.

Next round will be the same (pissy little) emotional blackmailers threatening suicide because of their serial 'unsuccessful' relationships lifestyle and 'how terribly they're treated by society and are bashed on every corner etc'... when they want to take the long jump, nothing can stop them, and the world is already full of nut cases. Cool

Why?

Dozens of pieces of legislation get passed in parliament every year.

Why is it that this particular piece of legislation needed approval by the masses?

Because it was a 180 degree change in the definition of a mainstay of civilisation for millennia. It wasn't just a 'piece of legislation' that needed a simple change for a valid reason...

Are you advocating dictatorship of the elected body? Some Divine Right of Elected Government? Are you sure you wish to go down that route?

No, it wasn't.

In reply I will quote the great philosopher Pauline:- Please Explain?

It was a very minor change.

And, as you can see, the sky hasn't fallen in as a result.

There has been no "major change to society".

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Reply #83 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:28pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:36am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:28am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:25am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:10am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:09am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:50am:

Was it really necessary .... really?

Is marriage between a man and a woman really necessary ... really?

Not really - but the difference is in the way the institution of marriage was installed initially...... marriage, like such things as law and other similar things, was organised to fit a specific set of circumstances..... like law, changing it needed a clear and present reason supported, in a democracy, by the views of the masses.

The continuing argument is over the virtue of a postal non-binding survey being used as the justification for changing that established institution. All the usual whining about teenagers threatening suicide and other mental deficiencies seems to have subsided now, and we are only left with the Usual Suspect trannie etc going the rat with an axe or similar due to hormonal, drug-related, and hysterical problems that should be treated in a different manner and arena.

The slow pace of 'gay marriage' is most likely due to their deeper-seated unwillingness to 'commit', and their preference in most cases for a free range lifestyle (and sometimes deathstyle)...... as for Bill's suicides - if they're gonna do it - they're gonna do it, and nothing will stop them.

Next round will be the same (pissy little) emotional blackmailers threatening suicide because of their serial 'unsuccessful' relationships lifestyle and 'how terribly they're treated by society and are bashed on every corner etc'... when they want to take the long jump, nothing can stop them, and the world is already full of nut cases. Cool

Why?

Dozens of pieces of legislation get passed in parliament every year.

Why is it that this particular piece of legislation needed approval by the masses?

Because it was a 180 degree change in the definition of a mainstay of civilisation for millennia. It wasn't just a 'piece of legislation' that needed a simple change for a valid reason...

Are you advocating dictatorship of the elected body? Some Divine Right of Elected Government? Are you sure you wish to go down that route?

No, it wasn't.

In reply I will quote the great philosopher Pauline:- Please Explain?

It was a very minor change.

And, as you can see, the sky hasn't fallen in as a result.

There has been no "major change to society".

We WERE discussing the lack of a mad rush by gays to marriage... and you have yet to offer the full reasoning behind your own choice to marry... the things weighed up are not simply "I want to" and "For Love"..... each of which is an ephemeral thing...

Surely when YOU entered your heterosexual marriage there was an expectation and even anticipation of the wonder of having children..... something that does not apply to gays in their natural environment (short of a relationship with someone of the heterosexual persuasion).. all rights could be protected under existing rules for co-habitation... it seems gays were not happy to register as 'co-habiting - perhaps for tax or social security purposes...

I mean - what 'trannie' wants to lose some Pension for DSP by declaring self as 'married' to a rich guy? What gay couple living on the borderline of the economy (and there are quite a few - many do 'casual' such as living telegrams etc and even call person work) wants to reduce NewStart payment by declaring self as part of a duo?

https://www.oversixty.com.au/finance/money-banking/2017/12/centrelink-targeting-...

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/2071.0~2016~Main%20F...

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Reply #84 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:39pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:33am:

Truly the slipperiness of the eel is strong in this one......

I don't think its the slipperiness of the eel in this one, it seems to be the density of the wood.

Gweggy thinks changing society and its norms is a minor thing. Roll Eyes

He apparently thinks that we should change society for a minority of a minority as a true democracy would... Cheesy

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Reply #85 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:39pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:36am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:28am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:25am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:10am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:09am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:50am:

Was it really necessary .... really?

Is marriage between a man and a woman really necessary ... really?

Not really - but the difference is in the way the institution of marriage was installed initially...... marriage, like such things as law and other similar things, was organised to fit a specific set of circumstances..... like law, changing it needed a clear and present reason supported, in a democracy, by the views of the masses.

The continuing argument is over the virtue of a postal non-binding survey being used as the justification for changing that established institution. All the usual whining about teenagers threatening suicide and other mental deficiencies seems to have subsided now, and we are only left with the Usual Suspect trannie etc going the rat with an axe or similar due to hormonal, drug-related, and hysterical problems that should be treated in a different manner and arena.

The slow pace of 'gay marriage' is most likely due to their deeper-seated unwillingness to 'commit', and their preference in most cases for a free range lifestyle (and sometimes deathstyle)...... as for Bill's suicides - if they're gonna do it - they're gonna do it, and nothing will stop them.

Next round will be the same (pissy little) emotional blackmailers threatening suicide because of their serial 'unsuccessful' relationships lifestyle and 'how terribly they're treated by society and are bashed on every corner etc'... when they want to take the long jump, nothing can stop them, and the world is already full of nut cases. Cool

Why?

Dozens of pieces of legislation get passed in parliament every year.

Why is it that this particular piece of legislation needed approval by the masses?

Because it was a 180 degree change in the definition of a mainstay of civilisation for millennia. It wasn't just a 'piece of legislation' that needed a simple change for a valid reason...

Are you advocating dictatorship of the elected body? Some Divine Right of Elected Government? Are you sure you wish to go down that route?

No, it wasn't.

In reply I will quote the great philosopher Pauline:- Please Explain?

It was a very minor change.

And, as you can see, the sky hasn't fallen in as a result.

There has been no "major change to society".

We WERE discussing the lack of a mad rush by gays to marriage... and you have yet to offer the full reasoning behind your own choice to marry... the things weighed up are not simply "I want to" and "For Love"..... each of which is an ephemeral thing...

Surely when YOU entered your heterosexual marriage there was an expectation and even anticipation of the wonder of having children..... something that does not apply to gays in their natural environment (short of a relationship with someone of the heterosexual persuasion).. all rights could be protected under existing rules for co-habitation... it seems gays were not happy to register as 'co-habiting - perhaps for tax or social security purposes...

I mean - what 'trannie' wants to lose some Pension for DSP by declaring self as 'married' to a rich guy? What gay couple living on the borderline of the economy (and there are quite a few - many do 'casual' such as living telegrams etc and even call person work) wants to reduce NewStart payment by declaring self as part of a duo?

https://www.oversixty.com.au/finance/money-banking/2017/12/centrelink-targeting-...

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/2071.0~2016~Main%20F...

No.

It was the last thing on our minds.

It wasn't even on our minds.

We were both young, with high-paying jobs, and we went to restaurants, pubs, and nightclubs every single day of the week.

Children would not have suited our partying lifestyle.

We married for love (and maybe to keep her Mum happy).

However, after a couple of years we grew tired of our extravagant lifestyle and decided to have kids.

It certainly wasn't why we got married, though.

And, I'm pretty sure women who are not married can still conceive.

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Reply #87 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:43pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:36am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:28am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:25am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:10am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:09am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:50am:

Was it really necessary .... really?

Is marriage between a man and a woman really necessary ... really?

Not really - but the difference is in the way the institution of marriage was installed initially...... marriage, like such things as law and other similar things, was organised to fit a specific set of circumstances..... like law, changing it needed a clear and present reason supported, in a democracy, by the views of the masses.

The continuing argument is over the virtue of a postal non-binding survey being used as the justification for changing that established institution. All the usual whining about teenagers threatening suicide and other mental deficiencies seems to have subsided now, and we are only left with the Usual Suspect trannie etc going the rat with an axe or similar due to hormonal, drug-related, and hysterical problems that should be treated in a different manner and arena.

The slow pace of 'gay marriage' is most likely due to their deeper-seated unwillingness to 'commit', and their preference in most cases for a free range lifestyle (and sometimes deathstyle)...... as for Bill's suicides - if they're gonna do it - they're gonna do it, and nothing will stop them.

Next round will be the same (pissy little) emotional blackmailers threatening suicide because of their serial 'unsuccessful' relationships lifestyle and 'how terribly they're treated by society and are bashed on every corner etc'... when they want to take the long jump, nothing can stop them, and the world is already full of nut cases. Cool

Why?

Dozens of pieces of legislation get passed in parliament every year.

Why is it that this particular piece of legislation needed approval by the masses?

Because it was a 180 degree change in the definition of a mainstay of civilisation for millennia. It wasn't just a 'piece of legislation' that needed a simple change for a valid reason...

Are you advocating dictatorship of the elected body? Some Divine Right of Elected Government? Are you sure you wish to go down that route?

No, it wasn't.

In reply I will quote the great philosopher Pauline:- Please Explain?

It was a very minor change.

And, as you can see, the sky hasn't fallen in as a result.

There has been no "major change to society".

We WERE discussing the lack of a mad rush by gays to marriage... and you have yet to offer the full reasoning behind your own choice to marry... the things weighed up are not simply "I want to" and "For Love"..... each of which is an ephemeral thing...

Surely when YOU entered your heterosexual marriage there was an expectation and even anticipation of the wonder of having children..... something that does not apply to gays in their natural environment (short of a relationship with someone of the heterosexual persuasion).. all rights could be protected under existing rules for co-habitation... it seems gays were not happy to register as 'co-habiting - perhaps for tax or social security purposes...

I mean - what 'trannie' wants to lose some Pension for DSP by declaring self as 'married' to a rich guy? What gay couple living on the borderline of the economy (and there are quite a few - many do 'casual' such as living telegrams etc and even call person work) wants to reduce NewStart payment by declaring self as part of a duo?

https://www.oversixty.com.au/finance/money-banking/2017/12/centrelink-targeting-...

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/2071.0~2016~Main%20F...

Quite a lot of people dont want children

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Reply #88 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:48pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:43pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:36am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:28am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:25am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:10am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:09am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:50am:

Was it really necessary .... really?

Is marriage between a man and a woman really necessary ... really?

Not really - but the difference is in the way the institution of marriage was installed initially...... marriage, like such things as law and other similar things, was organised to fit a specific set of circumstances..... like law, changing it needed a clear and present reason supported, in a democracy, by the views of the masses.

The continuing argument is over the virtue of a postal non-binding survey being used as the justification for changing that established institution. All the usual whining about teenagers threatening suicide and other mental deficiencies seems to have subsided now, and we are only left with the Usual Suspect trannie etc going the rat with an axe or similar due to hormonal, drug-related, and hysterical problems that should be treated in a different manner and arena.

The slow pace of 'gay marriage' is most likely due to their deeper-seated unwillingness to 'commit', and their preference in most cases for a free range lifestyle (and sometimes deathstyle)...... as for Bill's suicides - if they're gonna do it - they're gonna do it, and nothing will stop them.

Next round will be the same (pissy little) emotional blackmailers threatening suicide because of their serial 'unsuccessful' relationships lifestyle and 'how terribly they're treated by society and are bashed on every corner etc'... when they want to take the long jump, nothing can stop them, and the world is already full of nut cases. Cool

Why?

Dozens of pieces of legislation get passed in parliament every year.

Why is it that this particular piece of legislation needed approval by the masses?

Because it was a 180 degree change in the definition of a mainstay of civilisation for millennia. It wasn't just a 'piece of legislation' that needed a simple change for a valid reason...

Are you advocating dictatorship of the elected body? Some Divine Right of Elected Government? Are you sure you wish to go down that route?

No, it wasn't.

In reply I will quote the great philosopher Pauline:- Please Explain?

It was a very minor change.

And, as you can see, the sky hasn't fallen in as a result.

There has been no "major change to society".

We WERE discussing the lack of a mad rush by gays to marriage... and you have yet to offer the full reasoning behind your own choice to marry... the things weighed up are not simply "I want to" and "For Love"..... each of which is an ephemeral thing...

Surely when YOU entered your heterosexual marriage there was an expectation and even anticipation of the wonder of having children..... something that does not apply to gays in their natural environment (short of a relationship with someone of the heterosexual persuasion).. all rights could be protected under existing rules for co-habitation... it seems gays were not happy to register as 'co-habiting - perhaps for tax or social security purposes...

I mean - what 'trannie' wants to lose some Pension for DSP by declaring self as 'married' to a rich guy? What gay couple living on the borderline of the economy (and there are quite a few - many do 'casual' such as living telegrams etc and even call person work) wants to reduce NewStart payment by declaring self as part of a duo?

https://www.oversixty.com.au/finance/money-banking/2017/12/centrelink-targeting-...

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/2071.0~2016~Main%20F...

Quite a lot of people dont want children

Spot

Then there is no need to Marry...

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Re: What happened to the same sex marriage boom?
Reply #89 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:50pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:48pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:43pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:36am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:28am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:25am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:10am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:09am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:50am:

Was it really necessary .... really?

Is marriage between a man and a woman really necessary ... really?

Not really - but the difference is in the way the institution of marriage was installed initially...... marriage, like such things as law and other similar things, was organised to fit a specific set of circumstances..... like law, changing it needed a clear and present reason supported, in a democracy, by the views of the masses.

The continuing argument is over the virtue of a postal non-binding survey being used as the justification for changing that established institution. All the usual whining about teenagers threatening suicide and other mental deficiencies seems to have subsided now, and we are only left with the Usual Suspect trannie etc going the rat with an axe or similar due to hormonal, drug-related, and hysterical problems that should be treated in a different manner and arena.

The slow pace of 'gay marriage' is most likely due to their deeper-seated unwillingness to 'commit', and their preference in most cases for a free range lifestyle (and sometimes deathstyle)...... as for Bill's suicides - if they're gonna do it - they're gonna do it, and nothing will stop them.

Next round will be the same (pissy little) emotional blackmailers threatening suicide because of their serial 'unsuccessful' relationships lifestyle and 'how terribly they're treated by society and are bashed on every corner etc'... when they want to take the long jump, nothing can stop them, and the world is already full of nut cases. Cool

Why?

Dozens of pieces of legislation get passed in parliament every year.

Why is it that this particular piece of legislation needed approval by the masses?

Because it was a 180 degree change in the definition of a mainstay of civilisation for millennia. It wasn't just a 'piece of legislation' that needed a simple change for a valid reason...

Are you advocating dictatorship of the elected body? Some Divine Right of Elected Government? Are you sure you wish to go down that route?

No, it wasn't.

In reply I will quote the great philosopher Pauline:- Please Explain?

It was a very minor change.

And, as you can see, the sky hasn't fallen in as a result.

There has been no "major change to society".

We WERE discussing the lack of a mad rush by gays to marriage... and you have yet to offer the full reasoning behind your own choice to marry... the things weighed up are not simply "I want to" and "For Love"..... each of which is an ephemeral thing...

Surely when YOU entered your heterosexual marriage there was an expectation and even anticipation of the wonder of having children..... something that does not apply to gays in their natural environment (short of a relationship with someone of the heterosexual persuasion).. all rights could be protected under existing rules for co-habitation... it seems gays were not happy to register as 'co-habiting - perhaps for tax or social security purposes...

I mean - what 'trannie' wants to lose some Pension for DSP by declaring self as 'married' to a rich guy? What gay couple living on the borderline of the economy (and there are quite a few - many do 'casual' such as living telegrams etc and even call person work) wants to reduce NewStart payment by declaring self as part of a duo?

https://www.oversixty.com.au/finance/money-banking/2017/12/centrelink-targeting-...

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/2071.0~2016~Main%20F...

Quite a lot of people dont want children

Spot

Then there is no need to Marry...

Marriage isn't just about children.

Never has been.

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Reply #91 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:06pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

Gay men are promiscuous. They don't want to settle down with one bumhole. They like lots of bumhole variety. Lesbians are more likely to marry than gay men. If it wasn't for women badgering men for marriage hardly any men would marry in my opinion.

Opinions are like bumholes.

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Reply #92 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:27pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:48pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:43pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:36am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:28am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:25am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:10am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:09am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:50am:

Was it really necessary .... really?

Is marriage between a man and a woman really necessary ... really?

Not really - but the difference is in the way the institution of marriage was installed initially...... marriage, like such things as law and other similar things, was organised to fit a specific set of circumstances..... like law, changing it needed a clear and present reason supported, in a democracy, by the views of the masses.

The continuing argument is over the virtue of a postal non-binding survey being used as the justification for changing that established institution. All the usual whining about teenagers threatening suicide and other mental deficiencies seems to have subsided now, and we are only left with the Usual Suspect trannie etc going the rat with an axe or similar due to hormonal, drug-related, and hysterical problems that should be treated in a different manner and arena.

The slow pace of 'gay marriage' is most likely due to their deeper-seated unwillingness to 'commit', and their preference in most cases for a free range lifestyle (and sometimes deathstyle)...... as for Bill's suicides - if they're gonna do it - they're gonna do it, and nothing will stop them.

Next round will be the same (pissy little) emotional blackmailers threatening suicide because of their serial 'unsuccessful' relationships lifestyle and 'how terribly they're treated by society and are bashed on every corner etc'... when they want to take the long jump, nothing can stop them, and the world is already full of nut cases. Cool

Why?

Dozens of pieces of legislation get passed in parliament every year.

Why is it that this particular piece of legislation needed approval by the masses?

Because it was a 180 degree change in the definition of a mainstay of civilisation for millennia. It wasn't just a 'piece of legislation' that needed a simple change for a valid reason...

Are you advocating dictatorship of the elected body? Some Divine Right of Elected Government? Are you sure you wish to go down that route?

No, it wasn't.

In reply I will quote the great philosopher Pauline:- Please Explain?

It was a very minor change.

And, as you can see, the sky hasn't fallen in as a result.

There has been no "major change to society".

We WERE discussing the lack of a mad rush by gays to marriage... and you have yet to offer the full reasoning behind your own choice to marry... the things weighed up are not simply "I want to" and "For Love"..... each of which is an ephemeral thing...

Surely when YOU entered your heterosexual marriage there was an expectation and even anticipation of the wonder of having children..... something that does not apply to gays in their natural environment (short of a relationship with someone of the heterosexual persuasion).. all rights could be protected under existing rules for co-habitation... it seems gays were not happy to register as 'co-habiting - perhaps for tax or social security purposes...

I mean - what 'trannie' wants to lose some Pension for DSP by declaring self as 'married' to a rich guy? What gay couple living on the borderline of the economy (and there are quite a few - many do 'casual' such as living telegrams etc and even call person work) wants to reduce NewStart payment by declaring self as part of a duo?

https://www.oversixty.com.au/finance/money-banking/2017/12/centrelink-targeting-...

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/2071.0~2016~Main%20F...

Quite a lot of people dont want children

Spot

Then there is no need to Marry...

Yes there is. I already said a couple reasons.

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Reply #93 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:28pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

Gay men are promiscuous. They don't want to settle down with one bumhole. They like lots of bumhole variety. Lesbians are more likely to marry than gay men. If it wasn't for women badgering men for marriage hardly any men would marry in my opinion.

Almost all men are promiscuous.

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Reply #94 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:30pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:39pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:33am:

Truly the slipperiness of the eel is strong in this one......

I don't think its the slipperiness of the eel in this one, it seems to be the density of the wood.

Gweggy thinks changing society and its norms is a minor thing. Roll Eyes

He apparently thinks that we should change society for a minority of a minority as a true democracy would... Cheesy

I know. Legalising hommers is a big step, Grendel. You don't do this lightly.

Not that there's anything wrong with it. Some of your best friends are hommers. Pillow-biters, carpet-munchers, trannies, powder-puffs.

And then there's the tinted races. Pakis, Curries, Choccos, Chows...

You have a lot of friends, no?

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Reply #95 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:35pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

Gay men are promiscuous. They don't want to settle down with one bumhole. They like lots of bumhole variety. Lesbians are more likely to marry than gay men. If it wasn't for women badgering men for marriage hardly any men would marry in my opinion.

Almost all men are promiscuous.

Spot

That's correct. Get a bunch of men together and you get a sperm tsunami.

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Reply #96 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:37pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

Gay men are promiscuous. They don't want to settle down with one bumhole. They like lots of bumhole variety. Lesbians are more likely to marry than gay men. If it wasn't for women badgering men for marriage hardly any men would marry in my opinion.

Almost all men are promiscuous.

Spot

Not true. And it is a fact that gay men are much more promiscuous in general. Reason why the AIDS virus spread so fast.

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Reply #97 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:45pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:35pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

Gay men are promiscuous. They don't want to settle down with one bumhole. They like lots of bumhole variety. Lesbians are more likely to marry than gay men. If it wasn't for women badgering men for marriage hardly any men would marry in my opinion.

Almost all men are promiscuous.

Spot

That's correct. Get a bunch of men together and you get a sperm tsunami.

All of which is irrelevant to this thread.

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Reply #98 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:47pm

rhino wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:37pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

Gay men are promiscuous. They don't want to settle down with one bumhole. They like lots of bumhole variety. Lesbians are more likely to marry than gay men. If it wasn't for women badgering men for marriage hardly any men would marry in my opinion.

Almost all men are promiscuous.

Spot

Not true. And it is a fact that gay men are much more promiscuous in general. Reason why the AIDS virus spread so fast.

How do you know this?

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Reply #99 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:45pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:35pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

Gay men are promiscuous. They don't want to settle down with one bumhole. They like lots of bumhole variety. Lesbians are more likely to marry than gay men. If it wasn't for women badgering men for marriage hardly any men would marry in my opinion.

Almost all men are promiscuous.

Spot

That's correct. Get a bunch of men together and you get a sperm tsunami.

All of which is irrelevant to this thread.

Pecca the king of thread de-railing having a go at me? It is relevent actually. The article is about low marriage rates amongst gay people. I just gave you a reason why not many gay men marry. They are men. Get it?

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Reply #100 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:50pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:47pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:37pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

Gay men are promiscuous. They don't want to settle down with one bumhole. They like lots of bumhole variety. Lesbians are more likely to marry than gay men. If it wasn't for women badgering men for marriage hardly any men would marry in my opinion.

Almost all men are promiscuous.

Spot

Not true. And it is a fact that gay men are much more promiscuous in general. Reason why the AIDS virus spread so fast.

How do you know this?

Spot

Because it's never easy to screw a woman. Men are always up for it.

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Reply #101 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:54pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:45pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:35pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

Gay men are promiscuous. They don't want to settle down with one bumhole. They like lots of bumhole variety. Lesbians are more likely to marry than gay men. If it wasn't for women badgering men for marriage hardly any men would marry in my opinion.

Almost all men are promiscuous.

Spot

That's correct. Get a bunch of men together and you get a sperm tsunami.

All of which is irrelevant to this thread.

Pecca the king of thread de-railing having a go at me? It is relevent actually. The article is about low marriage rates amongst gay people. I just gave you a reason why not many gay men marry. They are men. Get it?

So?

Let's say, for argument's sake, that no gay man ever gets married in Australia.

What's the problem?

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Reply #102 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:55pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:45pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:35pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

Gay men are promiscuous. They don't want to settle down with one bumhole. They like lots of bumhole variety. Lesbians are more likely to marry than gay men. If it wasn't for women badgering men for marriage hardly any men would marry in my opinion.

Almost all men are promiscuous.

Spot

That's correct. Get a bunch of men together and you get a sperm tsunami.

All of which is irrelevant to this thread.

Pecca the king of thread de-railing having a go at me? It is relevent actually. The article is about low marriage rates amongst gay people. I just gave you a reason why not many gay men marry. They are men. Get it?

So?

Let's say, for argument's sake, that no gay man ever gets married in Australia.

What's the problem?

Don't care. Just explaining why gay men are less inclined to.

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Reply #103 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 2:22pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:47pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:37pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

Gay men are promiscuous. They don't want to settle down with one bumhole. They like lots of bumhole variety. Lesbians are more likely to marry than gay men. If it wasn't for women badgering men for marriage hardly any men would marry in my opinion.

Almost all men are promiscuous.

Spot

Not true. And it is a fact that gay men are much more promiscuous in general. Reason why the AIDS virus spread so fast.

How do you know this?

Spot

Im full of factual information. Its 100 percent true.

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Why?

Dozens of pieces of legislation get passed in parliament every year.

Why is it that this particular piece of legislation needed approval by the masses?

Quote:

Because it was a 180 degree change in the definition of a mainstay of civilisation for millennia. It wasn't just a 'piece of legislation' that needed a simple change for a valid reason...

Are you advocating dictatorship of the elected body? Some Divine Right of Elected Government? Are you sure you wish to go down that route?

Quote:

No, it wasn't.

Quote:

In reply I will quote the great philosopher Pauline:- Please Explain?

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It was a very minor change.

And, as you can see, the sky hasn't fallen in as a result.

There has been no "major change to society".

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We WERE discussing the lack of a mad rush by gays to marriage... and you have yet to offer the full reasoning behind your own choice to marry... the things weighed up are not simply "I want to" and "For Love"..... each of which is an ephemeral thing...

Surely when YOU entered your heterosexual marriage there was an expectation and even anticipation of the wonder of having children..... something that does not apply to gays in their natural environment (short of a relationship with someone of the heterosexual persuasion).. all rights could be protected under existing rules for co-habitation... it seems gays were not happy to register as 'co-habiting - perhaps for tax or social security purposes...

I mean - what 'trannie' wants to lose some Pension for DSP by declaring self as 'married' to a rich guy? What gay couple living on the borderline of the economy (and there are quite a few - many do 'casual' such as living telegrams etc and even call person work) wants to reduce NewStart payment by declaring self as part of a duo?

https://www.oversixty.com.au/finance/money-banking/2017/12/centrelink-targeting-...

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/2071.0~2016~Main%20F...

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No.

It was the last thing on our minds.

It wasn't even on our minds.

We were both young, with high-paying jobs, and we went to restaurants, pubs, and nightclubs every single day of the week.

Children would not have suited our partying lifestyle.

We married for love (and maybe to keep her Mum happy).

However, after a couple of years we grew tired of our extravagant lifestyle and decided to have kids.

It certainly wasn't why we got married, though.

And, I'm pretty sure women who are not married can still conceive.

Wink

Yes ... but many that do become that way by hetrosexual conception.

Not like our fertile Lesbian sisters that think it's their god given right to use govt backed infertility clinics/IVF to conceive. Even trans-women who are sporting shortback & sides haircuts & beards are using it to have children ... then the darlings are wanting the pregnancy, childbirth & breast feeding process statistically stated as being gone through by a man.
Grin

No nothing is happening - only the creation of 70 genders & non gender specific language by force of legislation by erroneously classifying it's non use by individuals as "hate speech".

No nothing is happening. Roll Eyes

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Reply #106 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 2:45pm

rhino wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:37pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

Gay men are promiscuous. They don't want to settle down with one bumhole. They like lots of bumhole variety. Lesbians are more likely to marry than gay men. If it wasn't for women badgering men for marriage hardly any men would marry in my opinion.

Almost all men are promiscuous.

Spot

Not true. And it is a fact that gay men are much more promiscuous in general. Reason why the AIDS virus spread so fast.

And with the new generation of gay men AIDS is making a resurgence.

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Reply #107 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:32pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 2:45pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:37pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

Gay men are promiscuous. They don't want to settle down with one bumhole. They like lots of bumhole variety. Lesbians are more likely to marry than gay men. If it wasn't for women badgering men for marriage hardly any men would marry in my opinion.

Almost all men are promiscuous.

Spot

Not true. And it is a fact that gay men are much more promiscuous in general. Reason why the AIDS virus spread so fast.

And with the new generation of gay men AIDS is making a resurgence.

And with the new generation of gay men AIDS is might be making a resurgence.

If you think it's gay men who are solely responsible for the spread of AIDS, you're even more ignorant than I thought.

I suggest you do some research on the topic.

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Reply #108 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 4:10pm

Regardless ... everybody, who lives together, whether married or not, has had the same legal benefits since Whitlam brought in the "no fault divorce" in 1975. That applies to "legally" married and "common" marriages (living together) as well.

I understand that the only difference with SSM was that "partners" could not access Superannuation on break down of relationship ... married can take half your Superannuation. Now everybody can.

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Reply #109 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 7:00pm

Ajax wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 10:42am:

So 5.7% of 0.2 of Australia's population made these MAJOR changes.

I still dont believe the final result of 62%, although its law and I respect it, I don't believe it.

WHY.........???

Anglos majority would have said no

Europeans majority would have said no

Asians majority would have said no

Muslims majority would have said no

IMO

So where did the 62% come from....???

You are showing just how out of touch you are.
The majority of people were smart enough to realise that it would make not the slightest difference to the heterosexual community so if people in the gay community want to get married then good luck to them.

It was only the religious and the conservative who wanted to enforce their warped view of morality onto the rest of us. The majority of us believe in freedom, no matter what your sexuality happens to be.

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Reply #110 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 8:36pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:35pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

Gay men are promiscuous. They don't want to settle down with one bumhole. They like lots of bumhole variety. Lesbians are more likely to marry than gay men. If it wasn't for women badgering men for marriage hardly any men would marry in my opinion.

Almost all men are promiscuous.

Spot

That's correct. Get a bunch of men together and you get a sperm tsunami.

Divine.

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Reply #114 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:07pm

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Johnnie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:58pm:

Funny how booms go bust so quick, just another fad, problem is this one will linger longer than a stale fart.

Whack a toilet duck up there, Matty.

Fresh.

Dunno what you are talking about, hardly ever do. kamal.

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Johnnie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:07pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:04pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:58pm:

Funny how booms go bust so quick, just another fad, problem is this one will linger longer than a stale fart.

Whack a toilet duck up there, Matty.

Fresh.

Dunno what you are talking about, hardly ever do. kamal.

Matty never does, dear.

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Reply #119 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:23pm

Johnnie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:18pm:

Raven wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:12pm:

At the end of the day all we did was give a particular group of law abiding Australian citizens a right the rest of us enjoy.

Who can be against that?

What did he do for your tax dollar, think carefully before answering, think leech.

What on earth are you talking about?

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Johnnie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:18pm:

Raven wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:12pm:

At the end of the day all we did was give a particular group of law abiding Australian citizens a right the rest of us enjoy.

Who can be against that?

What did he do for your tax dollar, think carefully before answering, think leech.

Sorry Raven, wrong thread.
but while I am here, they got this wrong, it goes against nature, that's a gut feel.

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Johnnie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:24pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:18pm:

Raven wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:12pm:

At the end of the day all we did was give a particular group of law abiding Australian citizens a right the rest of us enjoy.

Who can be against that?

What did he do for your tax dollar, think carefully before answering, think leech.

Sorry Raven, wrong thread.
but while I am here, they got this wrong, it goes against nature, that's a gut feel.

Ok, so you are against SSM because it goes against nature? Are you against Holden? Cars are pretty unnatural. You've probably never been in a plane either, flight is certainly unnatural to humans.

"Oh but that's different." Why?

We do "unnatural" things all the time. Why is it only a problem when it involves sex between a certain group of consenting adults?

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Reply #122 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:58pm

Raven wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:38pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:24pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:18pm:

Raven wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:12pm:

At the end of the day all we did was give a particular group of law abiding Australian citizens a right the rest of us enjoy.

Who can be against that?

What did he do for your tax dollar, think carefully before answering, think leech.

Sorry Raven, wrong thread.
but while I am here, they got this wrong, it goes against nature, that's a gut feel.

Ok, so you are against SSM because it goes against nature? Are you against Holden? Cars are pretty unnatural. You've probably never been in a plane either, flight is certainly unnatural to humans.

"Oh but that's different." Why?

We do "unnatural" things all the time. Why is it only a problem when it involves sex between a certain group of consenting adults?

Your key word is "unnatural". how can that be good for mankind, why would you take a punt on an outcome that flies in the face of nature, have you thought about the impact on your future generations.

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Reply #123 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:03pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:27pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:48pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:43pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:36am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:28am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:25am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:10am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:09am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:50am:

Was it really necessary .... really?

Is marriage between a man and a woman really necessary ... really?

Not really - but the difference is in the way the institution of marriage was installed initially...... marriage, like such things as law and other similar things, was organised to fit a specific set of circumstances..... like law, changing it needed a clear and present reason supported, in a democracy, by the views of the masses.

The continuing argument is over the virtue of a postal non-binding survey being used as the justification for changing that established institution. All the usual whining about teenagers threatening suicide and other mental deficiencies seems to have subsided now, and we are only left with the Usual Suspect trannie etc going the rat with an axe or similar due to hormonal, drug-related, and hysterical problems that should be treated in a different manner and arena.

The slow pace of 'gay marriage' is most likely due to their deeper-seated unwillingness to 'commit', and their preference in most cases for a free range lifestyle (and sometimes deathstyle)...... as for Bill's suicides - if they're gonna do it - they're gonna do it, and nothing will stop them.

Next round will be the same (pissy little) emotional blackmailers threatening suicide because of their serial 'unsuccessful' relationships lifestyle and 'how terribly they're treated by society and are bashed on every corner etc'... when they want to take the long jump, nothing can stop them, and the world is already full of nut cases. Cool

Why?

Dozens of pieces of legislation get passed in parliament every year.

Why is it that this particular piece of legislation needed approval by the masses?

Because it was a 180 degree change in the definition of a mainstay of civilisation for millennia. It wasn't just a 'piece of legislation' that needed a simple change for a valid reason...

Are you advocating dictatorship of the elected body? Some Divine Right of Elected Government? Are you sure you wish to go down that route?

No, it wasn't.

In reply I will quote the great philosopher Pauline:- Please Explain?

It was a very minor change.

And, as you can see, the sky hasn't fallen in as a result.

There has been no "major change to society".

We WERE discussing the lack of a mad rush by gays to marriage... and you have yet to offer the full reasoning behind your own choice to marry... the things weighed up are not simply "I want to" and "For Love"..... each of which is an ephemeral thing...

Surely when YOU entered your heterosexual marriage there was an expectation and even anticipation of the wonder of having children..... something that does not apply to gays in their natural environment (short of a relationship with someone of the heterosexual persuasion).. all rights could be protected under existing rules for co-habitation... it seems gays were not happy to register as 'co-habiting - perhaps for tax or social security purposes...

I mean - what 'trannie' wants to lose some Pension for DSP by declaring self as 'married' to a rich guy? What gay couple living on the borderline of the economy (and there are quite a few - many do 'casual' such as living telegrams etc and even call person work) wants to reduce NewStart payment by declaring self as part of a duo?

https://www.oversixty.com.au/finance/money-banking/2017/12/centrelink-targeting-...

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/2071.0~2016~Main%20F...

Quite a lot of people dont want children

Spot

Then there is no need to Marry...

Yes there is. I already said a couple reasons.

Spot

Then YOU are wrong.... there is no need to Marry... Roll Eyes

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Reply #124 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 12:04am

Johnnie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:58pm:

Raven wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:38pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:24pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:18pm:

Raven wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:12pm:

At the end of the day all we did was give a particular group of law abiding Australian citizens a right the rest of us enjoy.

Who can be against that?

What did he do for your tax dollar, think carefully before answering, think leech.

Sorry Raven, wrong thread.
but while I am here, they got this wrong, it goes against nature, that's a gut feel.

Ok, so you are against SSM because it goes against nature? Are you against Holden? Cars are pretty unnatural. You've probably never been in a plane either, flight is certainly unnatural to humans.

"Oh but that's different." Why?

We do "unnatural" things all the time. Why is it only a problem when it involves sex between a certain group of consenting adults?

Your key word is "unnatural". how can that be good for mankind, why would you take a punt on an outcome that flies in the face of nature, have you thought about the impact on your future generations.

To die for.

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Reply #125 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 12:10am

Johnnie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:58pm:

Raven wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:38pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:24pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:18pm:

Raven wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:12pm:

At the end of the day all we did was give a particular group of law abiding Australian citizens a right the rest of us enjoy.

Who can be against that?

What did he do for your tax dollar, think carefully before answering, think leech.

Sorry Raven, wrong thread.
but while I am here, they got this wrong, it goes against nature, that's a gut feel.

Ok, so you are against SSM because it goes against nature? Are you against Holden? Cars are pretty unnatural. You've probably never been in a plane either, flight is certainly unnatural to humans.

"Oh but that's different." Why?

We do "unnatural" things all the time. Why is it only a problem when it involves sex between a certain group of consenting adults?

Your key word is "unnatural". how can that be good for mankind, why would you take a punt on an outcome that flies in the face of nature, have you thought about the impact on your future generations.

Your key words are "goes against nature." We've been going against nature for hundreds of years. And SSM is not compulsory, we are not taking a punt on it. We are giving equal rights to a section of our community that the rest of us enjoy. We are not all going to turn gay. Heterosexuality will still be the predominant way. SSM will not be downfall of human existence.

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Grendel wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:27pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:48pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:43pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:36am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:28am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:25am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:10am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:09am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:50am:

Was it really necessary .... really?

Is marriage between a man and a woman really necessary ... really?

Not really - but the difference is in the way the institution of marriage was installed initially...... marriage, like such things as law and other similar things, was organised to fit a specific set of circumstances..... like law, changing it needed a clear and present reason supported, in a democracy, by the views of the masses.

The continuing argument is over the virtue of a postal non-binding survey being used as the justification for changing that established institution. All the usual whining about teenagers threatening suicide and other mental deficiencies seems to have subsided now, and we are only left with the Usual Suspect trannie etc going the rat with an axe or similar due to hormonal, drug-related, and hysterical problems that should be treated in a different manner and arena.

The slow pace of 'gay marriage' is most likely due to their deeper-seated unwillingness to 'commit', and their preference in most cases for a free range lifestyle (and sometimes deathstyle)...... as for Bill's suicides - if they're gonna do it - they're gonna do it, and nothing will stop them.

Next round will be the same (pissy little) emotional blackmailers threatening suicide because of their serial 'unsuccessful' relationships lifestyle and 'how terribly they're treated by society and are bashed on every corner etc'... when they want to take the long jump, nothing can stop them, and the world is already full of nut cases. Cool

Why?

Dozens of pieces of legislation get passed in parliament every year.

Why is it that this particular piece of legislation needed approval by the masses?

Because it was a 180 degree change in the definition of a mainstay of civilisation for millennia. It wasn't just a 'piece of legislation' that needed a simple change for a valid reason...

Are you advocating dictatorship of the elected body? Some Divine Right of Elected Government? Are you sure you wish to go down that route?

No, it wasn't.

In reply I will quote the great philosopher Pauline:- Please Explain?

It was a very minor change.

And, as you can see, the sky hasn't fallen in as a result.

There has been no "major change to society".

We WERE discussing the lack of a mad rush by gays to marriage... and you have yet to offer the full reasoning behind your own choice to marry... the things weighed up are not simply "I want to" and "For Love"..... each of which is an ephemeral thing...

Surely when YOU entered your heterosexual marriage there was an expectation and even anticipation of the wonder of having children..... something that does not apply to gays in their natural environment (short of a relationship with someone of the heterosexual persuasion).. all rights could be protected under existing rules for co-habitation... it seems gays were not happy to register as 'co-habiting - perhaps for tax or social security purposes...

I mean - what 'trannie' wants to lose some Pension for DSP by declaring self as 'married' to a rich guy? What gay couple living on the borderline of the economy (and there are quite a few - many do 'casual' such as living telegrams etc and even call person work) wants to reduce NewStart payment by declaring self as part of a duo?

https://www.oversixty.com.au/finance/money-banking/2017/12/centrelink-targeting-...

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/2071.0~2016~Main%20F...

Quite a lot of people dont want children

Spot

Then there is no need to Marry...

Yes there is. I already said a couple reasons.

Spot

Then YOU are wrong.... there is no need to Marry... Roll Eyes

Grendal you are right. There is no need to marry

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Re: What happened to the same sex marriage boom?
Reply #127 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 1:10am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:32pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 2:45pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:37pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

Gay men are promiscuous. They don't want to settle down with one bumhole. They like lots of bumhole variety. Lesbians are more likely to marry than gay men. If it wasn't for women badgering men for marriage hardly any men would marry in my opinion.

Almost all men are promiscuous.

Spot

Not true. And it is a fact that gay men are much more promiscuous in general. Reason why the AIDS virus spread so fast.

And with the new generation of gay men AIDS is making a resurgence.

And with the new generation of gay men AIDS is might be making a resurgence.

If you think it's gay men who are solely responsible for the spread of AIDS, you're even more ignorant than I thought.

I suggest you do some research on the topic.

AIDS initally was spread so rapidly by the gay community, it was spread to heterosexuals by bisexual males. One of the main causes of infection now is anal intercourse, thats the main reason it has spread out of control in Africa, through the practise of anal intercourse. So gays and people who practise unnatural sex are the main cause.

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Re: What happened to the same sex marriage boom?
Reply #128 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 1:42am

rhino wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 1:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:32pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 2:45pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:37pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

Gay men are promiscuous. They don't want to settle down with one bumhole. They like lots of bumhole variety. Lesbians are more likely to marry than gay men. If it wasn't for women badgering men for marriage hardly any men would marry in my opinion.

Almost all men are promiscuous.

Spot

Not true. And it is a fact that gay men are much more promiscuous in general. Reason why the AIDS virus spread so fast.

And with the new generation of gay men AIDS is making a resurgence.

And with the new generation of gay men AIDS is might be making a resurgence.

If you think it's gay men who are solely responsible for the spread of AIDS, you're even more ignorant than I thought.

I suggest you do some research on the topic.

AIDS initally was spread so rapidly by the gay community, it was spread to heterosexuals by bisexual males. One of the main causes of infection now is anal intercourse, thats the main reason it has spread out of control in Africa, through the practise of anal intercourse. So gays and people who practise unnatural sex are the main cause.

Is AIDS the reason for your objection to SSM? What about the clap, gonnorhera or chlamydia? Do you blame homos for those?

Wouldn't SSM contribute to lower STD rates over time?

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: What happened to the same sex marriage boom? Reply #129 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 2:07am I dont object to SSM. And Im on record as saying that we did not need a referendum on it, they should have just legislated it in.
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Reply #131 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 6:09am

Raven wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 12:14am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:27pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:48pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:43pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 12:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:36am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:28am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:25am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:10am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 11:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 10:09am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:50am:

Was it really necessary .... really?

Is marriage between a man and a woman really necessary ... really?

Not really - but the difference is in the way the institution of marriage was installed initially...... marriage, like such things as law and other similar things, was organised to fit a specific set of circumstances..... like law, changing it needed a clear and present reason supported, in a democracy, by the views of the masses.

The continuing argument is over the virtue of a postal non-binding survey being used as the justification for changing that established institution. All the usual whining about teenagers threatening suicide and other mental deficiencies seems to have subsided now, and we are only left with the Usual Suspect trannie etc going the rat with an axe or similar due to hormonal, drug-related, and hysterical problems that should be treated in a different manner and arena.

The slow pace of 'gay marriage' is most likely due to their deeper-seated unwillingness to 'commit', and their preference in most cases for a free range lifestyle (and sometimes deathstyle)...... as for Bill's suicides - if they're gonna do it - they're gonna do it, and nothing will stop them.

Next round will be the same (pissy little) emotional blackmailers threatening suicide because of their serial 'unsuccessful' relationships lifestyle and 'how terribly they're treated by society and are bashed on every corner etc'... when they want to take the long jump, nothing can stop them, and the world is already full of nut cases. Cool

Why?

Dozens of pieces of legislation get passed in parliament every year.

Why is it that this particular piece of legislation needed approval by the masses?

Because it was a 180 degree change in the definition of a mainstay of civilisation for millennia. It wasn't just a 'piece of legislation' that needed a simple change for a valid reason...

Are you advocating dictatorship of the elected body? Some Divine Right of Elected Government? Are you sure you wish to go down that route?

No, it wasn't.

In reply I will quote the great philosopher Pauline:- Please Explain?

It was a very minor change.

And, as you can see, the sky hasn't fallen in as a result.

There has been no "major change to society".

We WERE discussing the lack of a mad rush by gays to marriage... and you have yet to offer the full reasoning behind your own choice to marry... the things weighed up are not simply "I want to" and "For Love"..... each of which is an ephemeral thing...

Surely when YOU entered your heterosexual marriage there was an expectation and even anticipation of the wonder of having children..... something that does not apply to gays in their natural environment (short of a relationship with someone of the heterosexual persuasion).. all rights could be protected under existing rules for co-habitation... it seems gays were not happy to register as 'co-habiting - perhaps for tax or social security purposes...

I mean - what 'trannie' wants to lose some Pension for DSP by declaring self as 'married' to a rich guy? What gay couple living on the borderline of the economy (and there are quite a few - many do 'casual' such as living telegrams etc and even call person work) wants to reduce NewStart payment by declaring self as part of a duo?

https://www.oversixty.com.au/finance/money-banking/2017/12/centrelink-targeting-...

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/2071.0~2016~Main%20F...

Quite a lot of people dont want children

Spot

Then there is no need to Marry...

Yes there is. I already said a couple reasons.

Spot

Then YOU are wrong.... there is no need to Marry... Roll Eyes

Grendal you are right. There is no need to marry

There is for some. They want to make that commitment to each other.

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Reply #132 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 7:51am

Raven wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 1:42am:

rhino wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 1:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:32pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 2:45pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:37pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

Gay men are promiscuous. They don't want to settle down with one bumhole. They like lots of bumhole variety. Lesbians are more likely to marry than gay men. If it wasn't for women badgering men for marriage hardly any men would marry in my opinion.

Almost all men are promiscuous.

Spot

Not true. And it is a fact that gay men are much more promiscuous in general. Reason why the AIDS virus spread so fast.

And with the new generation of gay men AIDS is making a resurgence.

And with the new generation of gay men AIDS is might be making a resurgence.

If you think it's gay men who are solely responsible for the spread of AIDS, you're even more ignorant than I thought.

I suggest you do some research on the topic.

AIDS initally was spread so rapidly by the gay community, it was spread to heterosexuals by bisexual males. One of the main causes of infection now is anal intercourse, thats the main reason it has spread out of control in Africa, through the practise of anal intercourse. So gays and people who practise unnatural sex are the main cause.

Is AIDS the reason for your objection to SSM? What about the clap, gonnorhera or chlamydia? Do you blame homos for those?

Wouldn't SSM contribute to lower STD rates over time?

Citing the spread of AIDS is by far the most ridiculous argument against SSM.

It's based on the assumption that gay men don't have anal sex out of wedlock.

It also assumes that gay men are solely responsible for the spread of AIDS.

Truly, truly stupid.

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Reply #136 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 3:32pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 3:12pm:

Really?
For someone who prattles on endlessly defending Muslims as not all being terrorists you slip into that mode as a hypocrite quite quickly when it comes to others like Conservatives don't you Gweggy.

Not all conservatives are terrorists either, Grendel.

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Reply #137 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 7:27pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:32pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 2:45pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:37pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

Gay men are promiscuous. They don't want to settle down with one bumhole. They like lots of bumhole variety. Lesbians are more likely to marry than gay men. If it wasn't for women badgering men for marriage hardly any men would marry in my opinion.

Almost all men are promiscuous.

Spot

Not true. And it is a fact that gay men are much more promiscuous in general. Reason why the AIDS virus spread so fast.

And with the new generation of gay men AIDS is making a resurgence.

And with the new generation of gay men AIDS is might be making a resurgence.

If you think it's gay men who are solely responsible for the spread of AIDS, you're even more ignorant than I thought.

I suggest you do some research on the topic.

On the ol assumption trail again ey Peccar?

I'm well aware of most aspects of the the spread of AIDS ...... and in our world .. a new generation of young gay men are causing a resurgence because they are gungho & don't practise safe sex.

So naff off you knowall.

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Reply #139 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 7:52pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 7:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:32pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 2:45pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:37pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

Gay men are promiscuous. They don't want to settle down with one bumhole. They like lots of bumhole variety. Lesbians are more likely to marry than gay men. If it wasn't for women badgering men for marriage hardly any men would marry in my opinion.

Almost all men are promiscuous.

Spot

Not true. And it is a fact that gay men are much more promiscuous in general. Reason why the AIDS virus spread so fast.

And with the new generation of gay men AIDS is making a resurgence.

And with the new generation of gay men AIDS is might be making a resurgence.

If you think it's gay men who are solely responsible for the spread of AIDS, you're even more ignorant than I thought.

I suggest you do some research on the topic.

On the ol assumption trail again ey Peccar?

I'm well aware of most aspects of the the spread of AIDS ...... and in our world .. a new generation of young gay men are causing a resurgence because they are gungho & don't practise safe sex.

So naff off you knowall.

How do you know?

Spot

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Reply #140 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 8:23pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 7:52pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 7:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:32pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 2:45pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:37pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

Gay men are promiscuous. They don't want to settle down with one bumhole. They like lots of bumhole variety. Lesbians are more likely to marry than gay men. If it wasn't for women badgering men for marriage hardly any men would marry in my opinion.

Almost all men are promiscuous.

Spot

Not true. And it is a fact that gay men are much more promiscuous in general. Reason why the AIDS virus spread so fast.

And with the new generation of gay men AIDS is making a resurgence.

And with the new generation of gay men AIDS is might be making a resurgence.

If you think it's gay men who are solely responsible for the spread of AIDS, you're even more ignorant than I thought.

I suggest you do some research on the topic.

On the ol assumption trail again ey Peccar?

I'm well aware of most aspects of the the spread of AIDS ...... and in our world .. a new generation of young gay men are causing a resurgence because they are gungho & don't practise safe sex.

So naff off you knowall.

How do you know?

Spot

He doesn't know, because it's not true.

"Current Global Snapshot

"According to the latest estimates from UNAIDS:

"Most infections are transmitted heterosexually ..."

The Global HIV/AIDS Epidemic

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Reply #141 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 9:00pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 9:26pm:

I said over and over again that it was a minority of a minority that wanted to get married and that there was no need to change thousands of years of tradition and the meaning of marriage for such a small amount of people.

That it was being driven by LW prog radicals with a gender agenda who supported the safe schools program, but no, the truth and evidence was brushed aside by the largely LW media and stupid politicians. Roll Eyes

Quote:

I said over and over again that it was a minority of a minority that wanted to get married and that there was no need to change thousands of years... bla... bla.. bla.... bla.....

Yes it has been acceptable to persecute minorities for thousands of years.

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Reply #143 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 10:36pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 9:00pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 9:26pm:

I said over and over again that it was a minority of a minority that wanted to get married and that there was no need to change thousands of years of tradition and the meaning of marriage for such a small amount of people.

That it was being driven by LW prog radicals with a gender agenda who supported the safe schools program, but no, the truth and evidence was brushed aside by the largely LW media and stupid politicians. Roll Eyes

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I said over and over again that it was a minority of a minority that wanted to get married and that there was no need to change thousands of years... bla... bla.. bla.... bla.....

Yes it has been acceptable to persecute minorities for thousands of years.

So not entering the definition of 'marriagable' is now persecution? Jeez - ten year olds are persecuted.....

Sounds a lot like the way Muslims are 'persecuted' here in Oz.... if they want real persecution they can always go back 'home'.......

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Reply #144 - Jul 13^th, 2018 at 12:36am

So gay actors, and musicians are all persecuted these days are they?

Gay tv shows and characters don't exist or are persecuted eh.

Modern Family, Instinct, Will and Grace, Dr Who, Please Like Me, Arrow, Orange is the New Black, Grey's Anatomy, Game of Thrones, Glee, The Handmaid's Tale, The 100, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Wentworth, South Park, True Blood..... in prime time too eh.... Grin

Carol, Brokeback Mountain, My Beautiful Laundrette, My Own Private Idaho, Orlando, Victim, Mulholland Drive, Dog Day Afternoon, Death in Venice, Sunday Bloody Sunday, The Adventures of Priscilla Queen of the Desert, Cabaret, Harvey Milk, The Crying Game, Heavenly Creatures, The Rocky Horror Picture Show, Victor/Victoria, The Birdcage, Philadelphia, American Beauty, Boys Don't Cry, Billy Elliot, V for Vendetta, Dallas Buyers Club, The Imitation Game, Moonlight, Beauty and The Beast, The Shape of Water, etc, etc, etc....

Neil Patrick Harris, John Mahoney, Jane Lynch, Jim Parsons, Sara Gilbert, Rickey Martin, Alan Cumming, Jodie Foster, Zachary Quinto, Richard Chamberlain, Portia De Rossi, Matt Bomer, Robert Reed, Peter Allen, George Michael, Elton John, Liberace, Sam Sparro, Darren Hayes, Marc Almond, Jake Shears, Jimmy Somerville, Adam Lambert, Neil Tennant, Boy George, "The Village People", Freddy Mercury, K.D. Lang, Melissa Etheridge, Ruby Rose, the list goes on and on and on.....

all a persecuted minority of course. Roll Eyes

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Reply #145 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:15am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 8:23pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 7:52pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 7:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:32pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 2:45pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:37pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

Gay men are promiscuous. They don't want to settle down with one bumhole. They like lots of bumhole variety. Lesbians are more likely to marry than gay men. If it wasn't for women badgering men for marriage hardly any men would marry in my opinion.

Almost all men are promiscuous.

Spot

Not true. And it is a fact that gay men are much more promiscuous in general. Reason why the AIDS virus spread so fast.

And with the new generation of gay men AIDS is making a resurgence.

And with the new generation of gay men AIDS is might be making a resurgence.

If you think it's gay men who are solely responsible for the spread of AIDS, you're even more ignorant than I thought.

I suggest you do some research on the topic.

On the ol assumption trail again ey Peccar?

I'm well aware of most aspects of the the spread of AIDS ...... and in our world .. a new generation of young gay men are causing a resurgence because they are gungho & don't practise safe sex.

So naff off you knowall.

How do you know?

Spot

He doesn't know, because it's not true.

"Current Global Snapshot

"According to the latest estimates from UNAIDS:

"Most infections are transmitted heterosexually ..."

The Global HIV/AIDS Epidemic

Listen Peccar how about you read what I said properly instead of making up BS to grandstand.

I made no claim that AIDS was spread in totality or just by homosexual men.

I said there has been an upsurge in the number of gay men presenting with AIDS because of young men not practising safe sex.

I am well aware of the the stats that point the majority spread of AIDS by hetrosexual men ...

and you know darned well that number is buoyed by the stats coming out of 3rd world countries like Africa with huge populations & poor education & superstitious belief.

In the western world AIDS was a predominantly disease of gay men, then bisexual men who spread it to women, then intravenous drug users of all persuasions.

Bite me.

As for quoting the UN on anything ... I take them with a grain of salt. Their troops have raped more women & spread more disease across the globe than any modern day defence forces.

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Reply #147 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:31am

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2018 at 12:36am:

So gay actors, and musicians are all persecuted these days are they?

Gay tv shows and characters don't exist or are persecuted eh.

Modern Family, Instinct, Will and Grace, Dr Who, Please Like Me, Arrow, Orange is the New Black, Grey's Anatomy, Game of Thrones, Glee, The Handmaid's Tale, The 100, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Wentworth, South Park, True Blood..... in prime time too eh.... Grin

Carol, Brokeback Mountain, My Beautiful Laundrette, My Own Private Idaho, Orlando, Victim, Mulholland Drive, Dog Day Afternoon, Death in Venice, Sunday Bloody Sunday, The Adventures of Priscilla Queen of the Desert, Cabaret, Harvey Milk, The Crying Game, Heavenly Creatures, The Rocky Horror Picture Show, Victor/Victoria, The Birdcage, Philadelphia, American Beauty, Boys Don't Cry, Billy Elliot, V for Vendetta, Dallas Buyers Club, The Imitation Game, Moonlight, Beauty and The Beast, The Shape of Water, etc, etc, etc....

Neil Patrick Harris, John Mahoney, Jane Lynch, Jim Parsons, Sara Gilbert, Rickey Martin, Alan Cumming, Jodie Foster, Zachary Quinto, Richard Chamberlain, Portia De Rossi, Matt Bomer, Robert Reed, Peter Allen, George Michael, Elton John, Liberace, Sam Sparro, Darren Hayes, Marc Almond, Jake Shears, Jimmy Somerville, Adam Lambert, Neil Tennant, Boy George, "The Village People", Freddy Mercury, K.D. Lang, Melissa Etheridge, Ruby Rose, the list goes on and on and on.....

all a persecuted minority of course. Roll Eyes

Yes - 'persecution' has become another of those over-used buzz-words in the endless game of taking the false horizon of some mythical high moral ground, and thus being entitled to label anyone with an even remotely dissenting view as an oppressor, violent, and abusive.

Very much like the position of Jews in NAZI Germany, where by simply existing they were viewed as enemies of the state and thus it was the right and duty of every German to remove any rights they held... in that situation no German citizen could perpetrate an offence against a Jew because a Jew was that enemy of the state.

Sound familiar to anyone? SS-DD. Feminism 101 and one reason I've been against feminism from Day One. They lead the way with the screeching about persecution and oppression .... and how the 'oppressor' had no rights...... now we look set for another Labor government controlled by the SOWS (Society Of Whining Sheilas), and a new round of violence as a result with assaults on men and on basic legal and civil rights, all backed by the power of the state. Roll Eyes

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Reply #148 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:36am

Gnads wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:15am:

Listen Peccar how about you read what I said properly instead of making up BS to grandstand.

I made no claim that AIDS was spread in totality or just by homosexual men.

I said there has been an upsurge in the number of gay men presenting with AIDS because of young men not practising safe sex.

I am well aware of the the stats that point the majority spread of AIDS by hetrosexual men ...

and you know darned well that number is buoyed by the stats coming out of 3rd world countries like Africa with huge populations & poor education & superstitious belief.

In the western world AIDS was a predominantly disease of gay men, then bisexual men who spread it to women, then intravenous drug users of all persuasions.

Bite me.

As for quoting the UN on anything ... I take them with a grain of salt. Their troops have raped more women & spread more disease across the globe than any modern day defence forces.

'allegedly heterosexual men' - the kind who predominantly in Africa and Asia will shag anything that moves.....

In the Civilised World, AIDS is primarily the disease of gays and those who are part-timers in the Game Of Bones In The Ass.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/8920482/World-Aids-Day-the-disease-that-...

Might help......

Let's just call a spade a spade....... that would help.

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Reply #150 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 11:28am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 3:32pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 3:12pm:

Really?
For someone who prattles on endlessly defending Muslims as not all being terrorists you slip into that mode as a hypocrite quite quickly when it comes to others like Conservatives don't you Gweggy.

Not all conservatives are terrorists either, Grendel.

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Reply #151 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 11:30am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 3:32pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 3:12pm:

Really?
For someone who prattles on endlessly defending Muslims as not all being terrorists you slip into that mode as a hypocrite quite quickly when it comes to others like Conservatives don't you Gweggy.

Not all conservatives are terrorists either, Grendel.

So true...

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Reply #152 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 6:52pm

red baron wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:46am:

Everyone is so over this subject

You've got the green light to get married, good for you

But can we all just get over it. The media has

Coudn't agree more. Looks to me like the losers are the ones who refuse to accept that the Australian people decided that Marriage Equality was a good idea. Tsk, tsk, next we'll have them complaining about counting Indigenous Australians in the Census and giving them the right to carry an Australian Passport (or vote in elections, except I note, South Australia where they always had the responsibility). Roll Eyes

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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:

Gays were probably only interested in the marriage issue so they could create a fuss. Now it's time to move on to something else like modifying Christianity to suit their interests. Attacking Christianity was what they've always had their sights on.

Can you provide me with an argument against same-sex marriage, one that is secular (not religious).

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Reply #156 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:04pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 11:28am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 3:32pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 3:12pm:

Really?
For someone who prattles on endlessly defending Muslims as not all being terrorists you slip into that mode as a hypocrite quite quickly when it comes to others like Conservatives don't you Gweggy.

Not all conservatives are terrorists either, Grendel.

So true...

But thank you for confirming you are both a

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Why is that - he is right after all ?

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Reply #157 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:06pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:

Gays were probably only interested in the marriage issue so they could create a fuss. Now it's time to move on to something else like modifying Christianity to suit their interests. Attacking Christianity was what they've always had their sights on.

There is enough material on this site to create a reference for pre-prepared stupid statements ?

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Reply #158 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:07pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:

Gays were probably only interested in the marriage issue so they could create a fuss. Now it's time to move on to something else like modifying Christianity to suit their interests. Attacking Christianity was what they've always had their sights on.

Can you provide me with an argument against same-sex marriage, one that is secular (not religious).

My only problem with gay marriage is when they want it done in a church. I still believe in religious freedom.

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What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

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Reply #160 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:11pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

suitable facilities?

what does that mean?

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Reply #161 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:14pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:07pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:

Gays were probably only interested in the marriage issue so they could create a fuss. Now it's time to move on to something else like modifying Christianity to suit their interests. Attacking Christianity was what they've always had their sights on.

Can you provide me with an argument against same-sex marriage, one that is secular (not religious).

My only problem with gay marriage is when they want it done in a church. I still believe in religious freedom.

What if the church accepts it? Is that Ok?

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Reply #163 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:17pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:04pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 11:28am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 3:32pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 3:12pm:

Really?
For someone who prattles on endlessly defending Muslims as not all being terrorists you slip into that mode as a hypocrite quite quickly when it comes to others like Conservatives don't you Gweggy.

Not all conservatives are terrorists either, Grendel.

So true...

But thank you for confirming you are both a

HYPOCRITE AND A TROLL...

Why is that - he is right after all ?

No he's a hypocrite and a TROLL.
perhaps you should stay out of other people's posts unless you know what they are talking about. Roll Eyes

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Reply #164 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:17pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:07pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:

Gays were probably only interested in the marriage issue so they could create a fuss. Now it's time to move on to something else like modifying Christianity to suit their interests. Attacking Christianity was what they've always had their sights on.

Can you provide me with an argument against same-sex marriage, one that is secular (not religious).

My only problem with gay marriage is when they want it done in a church. I still believe in religious freedom.

What if the church accepts it? Is that Ok?

I suppose it's up to them. If the congregation agrees I suppose. It shouldn't be forced on to them though. Somebody shouldn't have to have their freedom taken away from another so their freedom is met. It defeats itself.

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Reply #165 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:19pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:17pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:07pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:

Gays were probably only interested in the marriage issue so they could create a fuss. Now it's time to move on to something else like modifying Christianity to suit their interests. Attacking Christianity was what they've always had their sights on.

Can you provide me with an argument against same-sex marriage, one that is secular (not religious).

My only problem with gay marriage is when they want it done in a church. I still believe in religious freedom.

What if the church accepts it? Is that Ok?

I suppose it's up to them. If the congregation agrees I suppose. It shouldn't be forced on to them though. Somebody shouldn't have to have their freedom taken away from another so their freedom is met. It defeats itself.

And no one is forcing them. So there goes your argument up in smoke.

Next!

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Reply #166 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:26pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:

Gays were probably only interested in the marriage issue so they could create a fuss. Now it's time to move on to something else like modifying Christianity to suit their interests. Attacking Christianity was what they've always had their sights on.

There is enough material on this site to create a reference for pre-prepared stupid statements ?

it's not stupid at all muppet. gays know a load of their discrimination comes from religion.

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Reply #168 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:28pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:19pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:17pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:07pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:

Gays were probably only interested in the marriage issue so they could create a fuss. Now it's time to move on to something else like modifying Christianity to suit their interests. Attacking Christianity was what they've always had their sights on.

Can you provide me with an argument against same-sex marriage, one that is secular (not religious).

My only problem with gay marriage is when they want it done in a church. I still believe in religious freedom.

What if the church accepts it? Is that Ok?

I suppose it's up to them. If the congregation agrees I suppose. It shouldn't be forced on to them though. Somebody shouldn't have to have their freedom taken away from another so their freedom is met. It defeats itself.

And no one is forcing them. So there goes your argument up in smoke.

Next!

Gays have demanded to be married in a church muppet. look it up.

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Reply #169 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:31pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

suitable facilities?

what does that mean?

You understand that there are a limited amount of wedding facilities available that gays can be a tad fussy and that not all facilities are available to them.

Then there is the period of engagement following a proposal. This started about 4 months ago.

How many Hetro marriages are organised in under 4 months of the engagement and why should same sex marriages be any different ?

You will find than many facilities are booked well over 6 months in advance.

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London, England, Aug 3, 2013 / 06:03 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Following legislation that permits same-sex marriage in the U.K. yet prohibits the Church of England from performing the ceremony, a gay couple are planning to sue to be able to marry in their church.
“We are happy for gay marriage to be recognized – in that sense it is a big step. But it is actually a small step because it is something we still cannot actually do,” Barrie Drewitt-Barlow told the Essex Chronicle Aug. 1.
“We need to convince the church that it is the right thing for our community for them to recognize as practicing Christians.”

There's loads of them.

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Reply #171 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:32pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:28pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:19pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:17pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:07pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:

Gays were probably only interested in the marriage issue so they could create a fuss. Now it's time to move on to something else like modifying Christianity to suit their interests. Attacking Christianity was what they've always had their sights on.

Can you provide me with an argument against same-sex marriage, one that is secular (not religious).

My only problem with gay marriage is when they want it done in a church. I still believe in religious freedom.

What if the church accepts it? Is that Ok?

I suppose it's up to them. If the congregation agrees I suppose. It shouldn't be forced on to them though. Somebody shouldn't have to have their freedom taken away from another so their freedom is met. It defeats itself.

And no one is forcing them. So there goes your argument up in smoke.

Next!

Gays have demanded to be married in a church muppet. look it up.

Cite me a legal case where a court has actually ruled in favour of this, otherwise this is just bullshit.

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Reply #172 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:33pm

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For muppet man auggie.

London, England, Aug 3, 2013 / 06:03 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Following legislation that permits same-sex marriage in the U.K. yet prohibits the Church of England from performing the ceremony, a gay couple are planning to sue to be able to marry in their church.
“We are happy for gay marriage to be recognized – in that sense it is a big step. But it is actually a small step because it is something we still cannot actually do,” Barrie Drewitt-Barlow told the Essex Chronicle Aug. 1.
“We need to convince the church that it is the right thing for our community for them to recognize as practicing Christians.”

There's loads of them.

Did they sue? Did they win?

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Reply #173 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:33pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

suitable facilities?

what does that mean?

You understand that there are a limited amount of wedding facilities available that gays can be a tad fussy and that not all facilities are available to them.

Then there is the period of engagement following a proposal. This started about 4 months ago.

How many Hetro marriages are organised in under 4 months of the engagement and why should same sex marriages be any different ?

You will find than many facilities are booked well over 6 months in advance.

Bullshit. Anybody can rent out a hall. That's what many people do. Absolute rubbish.

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Reply #175 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:34pm

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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

For muppet man auggie.

London, England, Aug 3, 2013 / 06:03 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Following legislation that permits same-sex marriage in the U.K. yet prohibits the Church of England from performing the ceremony, a gay couple are planning to sue to be able to marry in their church.
“We are happy for gay marriage to be recognized – in that sense it is a big step. But it is actually a small step because it is something we still cannot actually do,” Barrie Drewitt-Barlow told the Essex Chronicle Aug. 1.
“We need to convince the church that it is the right thing for our community for them to recognize as practicing Christians.”

There's loads of them.

Did they sue? Did they win?

I hope not.

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Reply #177 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:35pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

Well - many will have to sever their live-in ties so that Centrelink etc won't catch up with them.... you know - double dipping for First Home Owners grants and such...

For every silver lining there's a clod who'll fall for the dark cloud inside....

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Reply #178 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:36pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:28pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:19pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:17pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:07pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:

Gays were probably only interested in the marriage issue so they could create a fuss. Now it's time to move on to something else like modifying Christianity to suit their interests. Attacking Christianity was what they've always had their sights on.

Can you provide me with an argument against same-sex marriage, one that is secular (not religious).

My only problem with gay marriage is when they want it done in a church. I still believe in religious freedom.

What if the church accepts it? Is that Ok?

I suppose it's up to them. If the congregation agrees I suppose. It shouldn't be forced on to them though. Somebody shouldn't have to have their freedom taken away from another so their freedom is met. It defeats itself.

And no one is forcing them. So there goes your argument up in smoke.

Next!

Gays have demanded to be married in a church muppet. look it up.

Cite me a legal case where a court has actually ruled in favour of this, otherwise this is just bullshit.

Just citing that cases have come up. You asked for it.

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Reply #179 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:36pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:36pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:28pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:19pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:17pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:07pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:

Gays were probably only interested in the marriage issue so they could create a fuss. Now it's time to move on to something else like modifying Christianity to suit their interests. Attacking Christianity was what they've always had their sights on.

Can you provide me with an argument against same-sex marriage, one that is secular (not religious).

My only problem with gay marriage is when they want it done in a church. I still believe in religious freedom.

What if the church accepts it? Is that Ok?

I suppose it's up to them. If the congregation agrees I suppose. It shouldn't be forced on to them though. Somebody shouldn't have to have their freedom taken away from another so their freedom is met. It defeats itself.

And no one is forcing them. So there goes your argument up in smoke.

Next!

Gays have demanded to be married in a church muppet. look it up.

Cite me a legal case where a court has actually ruled in favour of this, otherwise this is just bullshit.

Just citing that cases have come up. You asked for it.

I asked where they have been ruled in favour of. Any one can sue for a frivolous case.

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Reply #180 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:38pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:33pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

suitable facilities?

what does that mean?

You understand that there are a limited amount of wedding facilities available that gays can be a tad fussy and that not all facilities are available to them.

Then there is the period of engagement following a proposal. This started about 4 months ago.

How many Hetro marriages are organised in under 4 months of the engagement and why should same sex marriages be any different ?

You will find than many facilities are booked well over 6 months in advance.

Bullshit. Anybody can rent out a hall. That's what many people do. Absolute rubbish.

Not the perfect high profile hall with all the supporting stuff.

Your talking about the wedding with Aunt Mildred manning the punch bowl and a nice platter of tomato sangers.

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Reply #181 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:40pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:36pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:28pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:19pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:17pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:07pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:

Gays were probably only interested in the marriage issue so they could create a fuss. Now it's time to move on to something else like modifying Christianity to suit their interests. Attacking Christianity was what they've always had their sights on.

Can you provide me with an argument against same-sex marriage, one that is secular (not religious).

My only problem with gay marriage is when they want it done in a church. I still believe in religious freedom.

What if the church accepts it? Is that Ok?

I suppose it's up to them. If the congregation agrees I suppose. It shouldn't be forced on to them though. Somebody shouldn't have to have their freedom taken away from another so their freedom is met. It defeats itself.

And no one is forcing them. So there goes your argument up in smoke.

Next!

Gays have demanded to be married in a church muppet. look it up.

Cite me a legal case where a court has actually ruled in favour of this, otherwise this is just bullshit.

Just citing that cases have come up. You asked for it.

I asked where they have been ruled in favour of. Any one can sue for a frivolous case.

I'm just saying that gays are going to push this as far as they can get until homosexuality is seen as normal mainstream behaviour. That's what all this is about. It's like Brian Ross's abbo civilisation posts. It's all geared to a treaty. Activists that belong to certain groups take things a step at a time until they get what they want and it won't stop. Blacks, abos, gays, trannies etc etc.

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Reply #182 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:41pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:36pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:28pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:19pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:17pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:07pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:

Gays were probably only interested in the marriage issue so they could create a fuss. Now it's time to move on to something else like modifying Christianity to suit their interests. Attacking Christianity was what they've always had their sights on.

Can you provide me with an argument against same-sex marriage, one that is secular (not religious).

My only problem with gay marriage is when they want it done in a church. I still believe in religious freedom.

What if the church accepts it? Is that Ok?

I suppose it's up to them. If the congregation agrees I suppose. It shouldn't be forced on to them though. Somebody shouldn't have to have their freedom taken away from another so their freedom is met. It defeats itself.

And no one is forcing them. So there goes your argument up in smoke.

Next!

Gays have demanded to be married in a church muppet. look it up.

Cite me a legal case where a court has actually ruled in favour of this, otherwise this is just bullshit.

Just citing that cases have come up. You asked for it.

I asked where they have been ruled in favour of. Any one can sue for a frivolous case.

Those couple of po ofs in the states won their first sitting against that god bothering cake maker. They've almost one a couple of times.

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Reply #183 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:42pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

suitable facilities?

what does that mean?

You understand that there are a limited amount of wedding facilities available that gays can be a tad fussy and that not all facilities are available to them.

Then there is the period of engagement following a proposal. This started about 4 months ago.

How many Hetro marriages are organised in under 4 months of the engagement and why should same sex marriages be any different ?

You will find than many facilities are booked well over 6 months in advance.

I know of one, I met my wife in Oct '83, she proposed in Dec '83, we were married in Apr '84.

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Reply #184 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:44pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:38pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:33pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

suitable facilities?

what does that mean?

You understand that there are a limited amount of wedding facilities available that gays can be a tad fussy and that not all facilities are available to them.

Then there is the period of engagement following a proposal. This started about 4 months ago.

How many Hetro marriages are organised in under 4 months of the engagement and why should same sex marriages be any different ?

You will find than many facilities are booked well over 6 months in advance.

Bullshit. Anybody can rent out a hall. That's what many people do. Absolute rubbish.

Not the perfect high profile hall with all the supporting stuff.

Your talking about the wedding with Aunt Mildred manning the punch bowl and a nice platter of tomato sangers.

If you have the doe anybody can rent out a nice hall. Just book it and wait. If it's a religious place then they won't get in. People who rent out halls don't care if they are p oofs and lezzos.

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Reply #185 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:45pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:40pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:36pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:28pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:19pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:17pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:07pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:

Gays were probably only interested in the marriage issue so they could create a fuss. Now it's time to move on to something else like modifying Christianity to suit their interests. Attacking Christianity was what they've always had their sights on.

Can you provide me with an argument against same-sex marriage, one that is secular (not religious).

My only problem with gay marriage is when they want it done in a church. I still believe in religious freedom.

What if the church accepts it? Is that Ok?

I suppose it's up to them. If the congregation agrees I suppose. It shouldn't be forced on to them though. Somebody shouldn't have to have their freedom taken away from another so their freedom is met. It defeats itself.

And no one is forcing them. So there goes your argument up in smoke.

Next!

Gays have demanded to be married in a church muppet. look it up.

Cite me a legal case where a court has actually ruled in favour of this, otherwise this is just bullshit.

Just citing that cases have come up. You asked for it.

I asked where they have been ruled in favour of. Any one can sue for a frivolous case.

I'm just saying that gays are going to push this as far as they can get until homosexuality is seen as normal mainstream behaviour. That's what all this is about. It's like Brian Ross's abbo civilisation posts. It's all geared to a treaty. Activists that belong to certain groups take things a step at a time until they get what they want and it won't stop. Blacks, abos, gays, trannies etc etc.

Homosexuality is normal, you twit.

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Reply #186 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:47pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:45pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:40pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:36pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:28pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:19pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:17pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:07pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:

Gays were probably only interested in the marriage issue so they could create a fuss. Now it's time to move on to something else like modifying Christianity to suit their interests. Attacking Christianity was what they've always had their sights on.

Can you provide me with an argument against same-sex marriage, one that is secular (not religious).

My only problem with gay marriage is when they want it done in a church. I still believe in religious freedom.

What if the church accepts it? Is that Ok?

I suppose it's up to them. If the congregation agrees I suppose. It shouldn't be forced on to them though. Somebody shouldn't have to have their freedom taken away from another so their freedom is met. It defeats itself.

And no one is forcing them. So there goes your argument up in smoke.

Next!

Gays have demanded to be married in a church muppet. look it up.

Cite me a legal case where a court has actually ruled in favour of this, otherwise this is just bullshit.

Just citing that cases have come up. You asked for it.

I asked where they have been ruled in favour of. Any one can sue for a frivolous case.

I'm just saying that gays are going to push this as far as they can get until homosexuality is seen as normal mainstreambehaviour. That's what all this is about. It's like Brian Ross's abbo civilisation posts. It's all geared to a treaty. Activists that belong to certain groups take things a step at a time until they get what they want and it won't stop. Blacks, abos, gays, trannies etc etc.

Homosexuality is normal, you twit.

Sex without any possibility of creating life is not normal muppet. It's a anomaly. You don't see lions buggering one another hey?

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Reply #187 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:48pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

suitable facilities?

what does that mean?

You understand that there are a limited amount of wedding facilities available that gays can be a tad fussy and that not all facilities are available to them.

Then there is the period of engagement following a proposal. This started about 4 months ago.

How many Hetro marriages are organised in under 4 months of the engagement and why should same sex marriages be any different ?

You will find than many facilities are booked well over 6 months in advance.

I know of one, I met my wife in Oct '83, she proposed in Dec '83, we were married in Apr '84.

poo! That was quick! How'd you pull that off?

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Reply #191 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:50pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

suitable facilities?

what does that mean?

You understand that there are a limited amount of wedding facilities available that gays can be a tad fussy and that not all facilities are available to them.

Then there is the period of engagement following a proposal. This started about 4 months ago.

How many Hetro marriages are organised in under 4 months of the engagement and why should same sex marriages be any different ?

You will find than many facilities are booked well over 6 months in advance.

I know of one, I met my wife in Oct '83, she proposed in Dec '83, we were married in Apr '84.

poo! That was quick! How'd you pull that off?

Might have been the blowjob she was giving me as we were driving down to the south west of WA for Christmas holidays. But what can I say, she asked, I said yes and here we are 34 years on.

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Reply #192 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:51pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:49pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:48pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:45pm:

Homosexuality is normal, you twit.

Not in my sexual relationships it hasn't been. Wink

That's because you're not gay, Set.

I'm sure my wife will be comforted with that knowledge. Grin

edit: Seeing as the absolute majority of relationships are not gay, I'd say it's not really "normal". I don't care what people do in their own homes but some of the things people do are not "normal".

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Reply #194 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:56pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

suitable facilities?

what does that mean?

You understand that there are a limited amount of wedding facilities available that gays can be a tad fussy and that not all facilities are available to them.

Then there is the period of engagement following a proposal. This started about 4 months ago.

How many Hetro marriages are organised in under 4 months of the engagement and why should same sex marriages be any different ?

You will find than many facilities are booked well over 6 months in advance.

I know of one, I met my wife in Oct '83, she proposed in Dec '83, we were married in Apr '84.

poo! That was quick! How'd you pull that off?

Might have been the blowjob she was giving me as we were driving down to the south west of WA for Christmas holidays. But what can I say, she asked, I said yes and here we are 34 years on.

Jesus, Set!

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Reply #195 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:56pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

suitable facilities?

what does that mean?

You understand that there are a limited amount of wedding facilities available that gays can be a tad fussy and that not all facilities are available to them.

Then there is the period of engagement following a proposal. This started about 4 months ago.

How many Hetro marriages are organised in under 4 months of the engagement and why should same sex marriages be any different ?

You will find than many facilities are booked well over 6 months in advance.

I know of one, I met my wife in Oct '83, she proposed in Dec '83, we were married in Apr '84.

poo! That was quick! How'd you pull that off?

Might have been the blowjob she was giving me as we were driving down to the south west of WA for Christmas holidays. But what can I say, she asked, I said yes and here we are 34 years on.

What a woman. That made me think if that part in The World According To Garp where Garp's wife is giving one of her students a bj in the driveway of their home. Robbin Williams comes home tearing up the driveway and hits the back end of their car. His wife bites her students dick off and busts her jaw. Driving and getting BJed could be a dangerous thing setanta. My mates and I used to pull cones while driving. We called it having a mobile. Grin

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Reply #196 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:57pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Auggie thinks homosexuality is normal when only a small percentage of the world population do it. It's just not standard mainstream behaviour.

It's normal because it's natural, you twit. Is everything that is in a minority an aberration?

Probably, if it's an aberration, a small minority, I would consider it not "normal". I don't care that they do what they do though.

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Reply #197 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:57pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:51pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:49pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:48pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:45pm:

Homosexuality is normal, you twit.

Not in my sexual relationships it hasn't been. Wink

That's because you're not gay, Set.

I'm sure my wife will be comforted with that knowledge. Grin

edit: Seeing as the absolute majority of relationships are not gay, I'd say it's not really "normal". I don't care what people do in their own homes but some of the things people do are not "normal".

I think there's confusion over the meaning of the word 'normal'. When you say normal, you mean that it's not practised by the majority; when Hammer says normal he means it's an aberration as if there's something deviant about it.

Minority behaviour is not an aberration.

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Reply #198 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:57pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Auggie thinks homosexuality is normal when only a small percentage of the world population do it. It's just not standard mainstream behaviour.

It's normal because it's natural, you twit. Is everything that is in a minority an aberration?

Nope. Only things that don't make biological sense. Men coupling and women coupling just doesn't work.

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Reply #199 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:58pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Auggie thinks homosexuality is normal when only a small percentage of the world population do it. It's just not standard mainstream behaviour.

It's normal because it's natural, you twit. Is everything that is in a minority an aberration?

Probably, if it's an aberration, a small minority, I would consider it not "normal". I don't care that they do what they do though.

Why would it be an aberration?

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Reply #200 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:58pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Auggie thinks homosexuality is normal when only a small percentage of the world population do it. It's just not standard mainstream behaviour.

It's normal because it's natural, you twit. Is everything that is in a minority an aberration?

Nope. Only things that don't make biological sense. Men coupling and women coupling just doesn't work.

Says who?

God?

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Reply #201 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:58pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:56pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

suitable facilities?

what does that mean?

You understand that there are a limited amount of wedding facilities available that gays can be a tad fussy and that not all facilities are available to them.

Then there is the period of engagement following a proposal. This started about 4 months ago.

How many Hetro marriages are organised in under 4 months of the engagement and why should same sex marriages be any different ?

You will find than many facilities are booked well over 6 months in advance.

I know of one, I met my wife in Oct '83, she proposed in Dec '83, we were married in Apr '84.

poo! That was quick! How'd you pull that off?

Might have been the blowjob she was giving me as we were driving down to the south west of WA for Christmas holidays. But what can I say, she asked, I said yes and here we are 34 years on.

Jesus, Set!

No, he was on the dashboard.

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Reply #202 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:59pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

suitable facilities?

what does that mean?

You understand that there are a limited amount of wedding facilities available that gays can be a tad fussy and that not all facilities are available to them.

Then there is the period of engagement following a proposal. This started about 4 months ago.

How many Hetro marriages are organised in under 4 months of the engagement and why should same sex marriages be any different ?

You will find than many facilities are booked well over 6 months in advance.

I know of one, I met my wife in Oct '83, she proposed in Dec '83, we were married in Apr '84.

Yes it does happen but this topic is about high volume - why have there not been 20,000 same sex marriages in the last 4 months - i.e a boom ???

How do you think you would go rocking up to organise 10,000 last minute venues in the same 4 month period ?

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Reply #203 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:00pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:58pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Auggie thinks homosexuality is normal when only a small percentage of the world population do it. It's just not standard mainstream behaviour.

It's normal because it's natural, you twit. Is everything that is in a minority an aberration?

Probably, if it's an aberration, a small minority, I would consider it not "normal". I don't care that they do what they do though.

Why would it be an aberration?

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Reply #204 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:00pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:58pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:56pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

suitable facilities?

what does that mean?

You understand that there are a limited amount of wedding facilities available that gays can be a tad fussy and that not all facilities are available to them.

Then there is the period of engagement following a proposal. This started about 4 months ago.

How many Hetro marriages are organised in under 4 months of the engagement and why should same sex marriages be any different ?

You will find than many facilities are booked well over 6 months in advance.

I know of one, I met my wife in Oct '83, she proposed in Dec '83, we were married in Apr '84.

poo! That was quick! How'd you pull that off?

Might have been the blowjob she was giving me as we were driving down to the south west of WA for Christmas holidays. But what can I say, she asked, I said yes and here we are 34 years on.

Jesus, Set!

No, he was on the dashboard.

I personally find oral sex disgusting.

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Reply #205 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:01pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:00pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:58pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Auggie thinks homosexuality is normal when only a small percentage of the world population do it. It's just not standard mainstream behaviour.

It's normal because it's natural, you twit. Is everything that is in a minority an aberration?

Probably, if it's an aberration, a small minority, I would consider it not "normal". I don't care that they do what they do though.

Why would it be an aberration?

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Reply #206 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:01pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:59pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

suitable facilities?

what does that mean?

You understand that there are a limited amount of wedding facilities available that gays can be a tad fussy and that not all facilities are available to them.

Then there is the period of engagement following a proposal. This started about 4 months ago.

How many Hetro marriages are organised in under 4 months of the engagement and why should same sex marriages be any different ?

You will find than many facilities are booked well over 6 months in advance.

I know of one, I met my wife in Oct '83, she proposed in Dec '83, we were married in Apr '84.

Yes it does happen but this topic is about high volume - why have there not been 20,000 same sex marriages in the last 4 months - i.e a boom ???

How do you think you would go rocking up to organise 10,000 last minute venues in the same 4 month period ?

Hey, I was just answering a q.

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Reply #207 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:06pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:01pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:00pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:58pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Auggie thinks homosexuality is normal when only a small percentage of the world population do it. It's just not standard mainstream behaviour.

It's normal because it's natural, you twit. Is everything that is in a minority an aberration?

Probably, if it's an aberration, a small minority, I would consider it not "normal". I don't care that they do what they do though.

Why would it be an aberration?

aberration
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a departure from what is normal, usual

a departure from what is normal, usual, or expected, typically an unwelcome one.

"Typically" does not change the meaning as there is no definitive, which is why I left it out. Homosexuality is aberrant, whether you see that as unwelcome or not is irrelevant and an opinion.

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Reply #208 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:07pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Auggie thinks homosexuality is normal when only a small percentage of the world population do it. It's just not standard mainstream behaviour.

It's normal because it's natural, you twit. Is everything that is in a minority an aberration?

Nope. Only things that don't make biological sense. Men coupling and women coupling just doesn't work.

Says who?

God?

Nature. A small percentage of humans are the only life forms on gods green earth who sexually couple. It's a anomaly.

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Reply #209 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:09pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:06pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:01pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:00pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:58pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Auggie thinks homosexuality is normal when only a small percentage of the world population do it. It's just not standard mainstream behaviour.

It's normal because it's natural, you twit. Is everything that is in a minority an aberration?

Probably, if it's an aberration, a small minority, I would consider it not "normal". I don't care that they do what they do though.

Why would it be an aberration?

aberration
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a departure from what is normal, usual

a departure from what is normal, usual, or expected, typically an unwelcome one.

"Typically" does not change the meaning as there is no definitive, which is why I left it out. Homosexuality is aberrant, whether you see that as unwelcome or not is irrelevant and an opinion.

You left it out because it didn't suit your narrative. Words have subtle meanings, and aberration has the subtle meaning of 'being unwelcome.'The subtlety of this word indicates that 'unwelcome' feeling.

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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:07pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Auggie thinks homosexuality is normal when only a small percentage of the world population do it. It's just not standard mainstream behaviour.

It's normal because it's natural, you twit. Is everything that is in a minority an aberration?

Nope. Only things that don't make biological sense. Men coupling and women coupling just doesn't work.

Says who?

God?

Nature. A small percentage of humans are the only life forms on gods green earth who sexually couple. It's a anomaly.

God? Ah, there it is. The bigotry of religion.

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Reply #211 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:15pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:09pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:06pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:01pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:00pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:58pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Auggie thinks homosexuality is normal when only a small percentage of the world population do it. It's just not standard mainstream behaviour.

It's normal because it's natural, you twit. Is everything that is in a minority an aberration?

Probably, if it's an aberration, a small minority, I would consider it not "normal". I don't care that they do what they do though.

Why would it be an aberration?

aberration
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noun
a departure from what is normal, usual

a departure from what is normal, usual, or expected, typically an unwelcome one.

"Typically" does not change the meaning as there is no definitive, which is why I left it out. Homosexuality is aberrant, whether you see that as unwelcome or not is irrelevant and an opinion.

You left it out because it didn't suit your narrative. Words have subtle meanings, and aberration has the subtle meaning of 'being unwelcome.'The subtlety of this word indicates that 'unwelcome' feeling.

That's not true but I can't think of a way to prove that bar that looking it up yourself would show it. Whether something is "typically unwelcome" without clarifying what that meant when the definition of aberration is the same whether it is typical or not is the point.

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Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:15pm:

That's not true but I can't think of a way to prove that bar that looking it up yourself would show it. Whether something is "typically unwelcome" without clarifying what that meant when the definition of aberration is the same whether it is typical or not is the point.

So, how do you explain that homosexuality occurs naturally if it is not normal?

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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:07pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Auggie thinks homosexuality is normal when only a small percentage of the world population do it. It's just not standard mainstream behaviour.

It's normal because it's natural, you twit. Is everything that is in a minority an aberration?

Nope. Only things that don't make biological sense. Men coupling and women coupling just doesn't work.

Says who?

God?

Nature. A small percentage of humans are the only life forms on gods green earth who sexually couple. It's a anomaly.

Homosexuality is known in the animal kingdom too, not just humans.

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Reply #214 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:19pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:07pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Auggie thinks homosexuality is normal when only a small percentage of the world population do it. It's just not standard mainstream behaviour.

It's normal because it's natural, you twit. Is everything that is in a minority an aberration?

Nope. Only things that don't make biological sense. Men coupling and women coupling just doesn't work.

Says who?

God?

Nature. A small percentage of humans are the only life forms on gods green earth who sexually couple. It's a anomaly.

Homosexuality is known in the animal kingdom too, not just humans.

Hello, Jovial Monk. I hope you don't mind, I have appropriated your name.

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Reply #215 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:21pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:15pm:

That's not true but I can't think of a way to prove that bar that looking it up yourself would show it. Whether something is "typically unwelcome" without clarifying what that meant when the definition of aberration is the same whether it is typical or not is the point.

So, how do you explain that homosexuality occurs naturally if it is not normal?

That is occurs naturally does not discount it is aberrant. Should I make a list of things that occur in our species that you would consider aberrant? Would that help you understand what I'm saying or would you then try and say that I am trying to derail or make equivocations?

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Reply #216 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:23pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:21pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:15pm:

That's not true but I can't think of a way to prove that bar that looking it up yourself would show it. Whether something is "typically unwelcome" without clarifying what that meant when the definition of aberration is the same whether it is typical or not is the point.

So, how do you explain that homosexuality occurs naturally if it is not normal?

That is occurs naturally does not discount it is aberrant. Should I make a list of things that occur in our species that you would consider aberrant? Would that help you understand what I'm saying or would you then try and say that I am trying to derail or make equivocations?

Please do.

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Reply #218 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:33pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:21pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:15pm:

That's not true but I can't think of a way to prove that bar that looking it up yourself would show it. Whether something is "typically unwelcome" without clarifying what that meant when the definition of aberration is the same whether it is typical or not is the point.

So, how do you explain that homosexuality occurs naturally if it is not normal?

That is occurs naturally does not discount it is aberrant. Should I make a list of things that occur in our species that you would consider aberrant? Would that help you understand what I'm saying or would you then try and say that I am trying to derail or make equivocations?

Please do.

Cancers are an aberration, genetic defects, xxy and xyy are genetic aberrations. Is cannibalism aberrant? Child marriage? Slavery? Beating one's wife? Slicing up your child's genitals? These are all things that have occurred naturally in human societies and were not an aberration to those people. So have war, bestiality, torture.

All of these are aberrant, they are not the norm. They do happen and quite often they are unwelcome. Now don't turn around and say I am equivocating. I don't equal what someone does in their own home by choice as all or any of the above, I do say it's an aberration.

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Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:33pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:21pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:15pm:

That's not true but I can't think of a way to prove that bar that looking it up yourself would show it. Whether something is "typically unwelcome" without clarifying what that meant when the definition of aberration is the same whether it is typical or not is the point.

So, how do you explain that homosexuality occurs naturally if it is not normal?

That is occurs naturally does not discount it is aberrant. Should I make a list of things that occur in our species that you would consider aberrant? Would that help you understand what I'm saying or would you then try and say that I am trying to derail or make equivocations?

Please do.

Cancers are an aberration, genetic defects, xxy and xyy are genetic aberrations. Is cannibalism aberrant? Child marriage? Slavery? Beating one's wife? Slicing up your child's genitals? These are all things that have occurred naturally in human societies and were not an aberration to those people. So have war, bestiality, torture.

All of these are aberrant, they are not the norm. They do happen and quite often they are unwelcome. Now don't turn around and say I am equivocating. I don't equal what someone does in their own home by choice as all or any of the above, I do say it's ab aberration.

Look, I get what you're saying, and I can't explain why but I don't think that homosexuality is an aberration. I think it's quite normal. That is my view.

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Reply #222 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:41pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:33pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:21pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:15pm:

That's not true but I can't think of a way to prove that bar that looking it up yourself would show it. Whether something is "typically unwelcome" without clarifying what that meant when the definition of aberration is the same whether it is typical or not is the point.

So, how do you explain that homosexuality occurs naturally if it is not normal?

That is occurs naturally does not discount it is aberrant. Should I make a list of things that occur in our species that you would consider aberrant? Would that help you understand what I'm saying or would you then try and say that I am trying to derail or make equivocations?

Please do.

Cancers are an aberration, genetic defects, xxy and xyy are genetic aberrations. Is cannibalism aberrant? Child marriage? Slavery? Beating one's wife? Slicing up your child's genitals? These are all things that have occurred naturally in human societies and were not an aberration to those people. So have war, bestiality, torture.

All of these are aberrant, they are not the norm. They do happen and quite often they are unwelcome. Now don't turn around and say I am equivocating. I don't equal what someone does in their own home by choice as all or any of the above, I do say it's ab aberration.

Look, I get what you're saying, and I can't explain why but I don't think that homosexuality is an aberration. I think it's quite normal. That is my view.

Homosexuality is an aberration by definition "usually unwelcome", ie "not always", matters not. I guess you don't want to accept that. I can and I couldn't care what they do. Not my business.

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AiA wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:40pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

I can't explain why but I don't think that homosexuality is an aberration. I think it's quite normal. That is my view.

How do you feel about rape?

Rape is obviously evil.

Look, I totally get that I'm making exception for homosexuality.

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Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:41pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:33pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:21pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:15pm:

That's not true but I can't think of a way to prove that bar that looking it up yourself would show it. Whether something is "typically unwelcome" without clarifying what that meant when the definition of aberration is the same whether it is typical or not is the point.

So, how do you explain that homosexuality occurs naturally if it is not normal?

That is occurs naturally does not discount it is aberrant. Should I make a list of things that occur in our species that you would consider aberrant? Would that help you understand what I'm saying or would you then try and say that I am trying to derail or make equivocations?

Please do.

Cancers are an aberration, genetic defects, xxy and xyy are genetic aberrations. Is cannibalism aberrant? Child marriage? Slavery? Beating one's wife? Slicing up your child's genitals? These are all things that have occurred naturally in human societies and were not an aberration to those people. So have war, bestiality, torture.

All of these are aberrant, they are not the norm. They do happen and quite often they are unwelcome. Now don't turn around and say I am equivocating. I don't equal what someone does in their own home by choice as all or any of the above, I do say it's ab aberration.

Look, I get what you're saying, and I can't explain why but I don't think that homosexuality is an aberration. I think it's quite normal. That is my view.

Homosexuality is an aberration by definition "usually unwelcome", ie "not always", matters not. I guess you don't want to accept that. I can and I couldn't care what they do. Not my business.

We can sit here at impasse with my queen and bishop eyeing your king all night, but you know I'm right.

I don't think you're right. I don't believe it's an aberration. I believe that it's completely normal.

Call it doublethink - call it lunancy - call it whatever you like. That is what I believe.

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Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:41pm:

AiA wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:40pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

I can't explain why but I don't think that homosexuality is an aberration. I think it's quite normal. That is my view.

How do you feel about rape?

Rape is obviously evil.

Look, I totally get that I'm making exception for homosexuality.

That wasn't AiA's point, he was making a comment on you including Mothra in your name.

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Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:42pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:41pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:33pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:21pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:15pm:

That's not true but I can't think of a way to prove that bar that looking it up yourself would show it. Whether something is "typically unwelcome" without clarifying what that meant when the definition of aberration is the same whether it is typical or not is the point.

So, how do you explain that homosexuality occurs naturally if it is not normal?

That is occurs naturally does not discount it is aberrant. Should I make a list of things that occur in our species that you would consider aberrant? Would that help you understand what I'm saying or would you then try and say that I am trying to derail or make equivocations?

Please do.

Cancers are an aberration, genetic defects, xxy and xyy are genetic aberrations. Is cannibalism aberrant? Child marriage? Slavery? Beating one's wife? Slicing up your child's genitals? These are all things that have occurred naturally in human societies and were not an aberration to those people. So have war, bestiality, torture.

All of these are aberrant, they are not the norm. They do happen and quite often they are unwelcome. Now don't turn around and say I am equivocating. I don't equal what someone does in their own home by choice as all or any of the above, I do say it's ab aberration.

Look, I get what you're saying, and I can't explain why but I don't think that homosexuality is an aberration. I think it's quite normal. That is my view.

Homosexuality is an aberration by definition "usually unwelcome", ie "not always", matters not. I guess you don't want to accept that. I can and I couldn't care what they do. Not my business.

We can sit here at impasse with my queen and bishop eyeing your king all night, but you know I'm right.

I don't think you're right. I don't believe it's an aberration. I believe that it's completely normal.

Call it doublethink - call it lunancy - call it whatever you like. That is what I believe.

If it was normal, we'd all be doing it. Well most of us.

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Setanta Gold Member Online \/ Peace man! Posts: 15924 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: What happened to the same sex marriage boom? Reply #229 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:45pm AiA wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:43pm: Homosexuality IS "natural." How do I know? It exists. Have cultures regulated it over the centuries? Absolutely. Just like they have all forms of sexuality. Not the point AiA, is aberrant?
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Reply #230 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:46pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:42pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:41pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:33pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:21pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:15pm:

That's not true but I can't think of a way to prove that bar that looking it up yourself would show it. Whether something is "typically unwelcome" without clarifying what that meant when the definition of aberration is the same whether it is typical or not is the point.

So, how do you explain that homosexuality occurs naturally if it is not normal?

That is occurs naturally does not discount it is aberrant. Should I make a list of things that occur in our species that you would consider aberrant? Would that help you understand what I'm saying or would you then try and say that I am trying to derail or make equivocations?

Please do.

Cancers are an aberration, genetic defects, xxy and xyy are genetic aberrations. Is cannibalism aberrant? Child marriage? Slavery? Beating one's wife? Slicing up your child's genitals? These are all things that have occurred naturally in human societies and were not an aberration to those people. So have war, bestiality, torture.

All of these are aberrant, they are not the norm. They do happen and quite often they are unwelcome. Now don't turn around and say I am equivocating. I don't equal what someone does in their own home by choice as all or any of the above, I do say it's ab aberration.

Look, I get what you're saying, and I can't explain why but I don't think that homosexuality is an aberration. I think it's quite normal. That is my view.

Homosexuality is an aberration by definition "usually unwelcome", ie "not always", matters not. I guess you don't want to accept that. I can and I couldn't care what they do. Not my business.

We can sit here at impasse with my queen and bishop eyeing your king all night, but you know I'm right.

I don't think you're right. I don't believe it's an aberration. I believe that it's completely normal.

Call it doublethink - call it lunancy - call it whatever you like. That is what I believe.

If it was normal, we'd all be doing it. Well most of us.

Let's agree to disagree on this one. I believe it's normal; you don't. Diversity of opinion.

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Reply #232 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:47pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:33pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:16pm:

Apparently the Uniting Church has accepted it now.

Well - if they've excepted it, that means they don't accept it....

Fixed... just shows I cant read, spell, type, watch tv and eat dinner all at the same time. Wink

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-15/same-sex-marriage-uniting-church-gives-min...

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Reply #233 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:47pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:46pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:42pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:41pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:33pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:21pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:15pm:

That's not true but I can't think of a way to prove that bar that looking it up yourself would show it. Whether something is "typically unwelcome" without clarifying what that meant when the definition of aberration is the same whether it is typical or not is the point.

So, how do you explain that homosexuality occurs naturally if it is not normal?

That is occurs naturally does not discount it is aberrant. Should I make a list of things that occur in our species that you would consider aberrant? Would that help you understand what I'm saying or would you then try and say that I am trying to derail or make equivocations?

Please do.

Cancers are an aberration, genetic defects, xxy and xyy are genetic aberrations. Is cannibalism aberrant? Child marriage? Slavery? Beating one's wife? Slicing up your child's genitals? These are all things that have occurred naturally in human societies and were not an aberration to those people. So have war, bestiality, torture.

All of these are aberrant, they are not the norm. They do happen and quite often they are unwelcome. Now don't turn around and say I am equivocating. I don't equal what someone does in their own home by choice as all or any of the above, I do say it's ab aberration.

Look, I get what you're saying, and I can't explain why but I don't think that homosexuality is an aberration. I think it's quite normal. That is my view.

Homosexuality is an aberration by definition "usually unwelcome", ie "not always", matters not. I guess you don't want to accept that. I can and I couldn't care what they do. Not my business.

We can sit here at impasse with my queen and bishop eyeing your king all night, but you know I'm right.

I don't think you're right. I don't believe it's an aberration. I believe that it's completely normal.

Call it doublethink - call it lunancy - call it whatever you like. That is what I believe.

If it was normal, we'd all be doing it. Well most of us.

Let's agree to disagree on this one. I believe it's normal; you don't. Diversity of opinion.

I believe it's natural, not normal which is why I picked up your your use of aberrant.

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Reply #234 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:48pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:45pm:

AiA wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:43pm:

Homosexuality IS "natural." How do I know? It exists. Have cultures regulated it over the centuries? Absolutely. Just like they have all forms of sexuality.

Not the point AiA, is aberrant?

Thought makes something "aberrant." Nothing is inherently aberrant.

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Reply #236 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:51pm

AiA wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:45pm:

AiA wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:43pm:

Homosexuality IS "natural." How do I know? It exists. Have cultures regulated it over the centuries? Absolutely. Just like they have all forms of sexuality.

Not the point AiA, is aberrant?

Thought makes something "aberrant." Nothing is inherently aberrant.

Behaviour or genetics make something aberrant.
All aberrant humans are natural.

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Reply #237 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:52pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:51pm:

AiA wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:45pm:

AiA wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:43pm:

Homosexuality IS "natural." How do I know? It exists. Have cultures regulated it over the centuries? Absolutely. Just like they have all forms of sexuality.

Not the point AiA, is aberrant?

Thought makes something "aberrant." Nothing is inherently aberrant.

Behaviour or genetics make something aberrant.
All aberrant humans are natural.

Is oral sex aberrant?

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Reply #239 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:56pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:52pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:51pm:

AiA wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:45pm:

AiA wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:43pm:

Homosexuality IS "natural." How do I know? It exists. Have cultures regulated it over the centuries? Absolutely. Just like they have all forms of sexuality.

Not the point AiA, is aberrant?

Thought makes something "aberrant." Nothing is inherently aberrant.

Behaviour or genetics make something aberrant.
All aberrant humans are natural.

Is oral sex aberrant?

I think it's pretty common, far more common than actual sex probably whether you are homosexual or not. Lesbos do it, maybe more than the rest of us, poofs do it, and I certainly enjoy a hairy mussel. So probably not. That might be considered "normal" and "au natural".

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Reply #240 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:58pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:51pm:

AiA wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:45pm:

AiA wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:43pm:

Homosexuality IS "natural." How do I know? It exists. Have cultures regulated it over the centuries? Absolutely. Just like they have all forms of sexuality.

Not the point AiA, is aberrant?

Thought makes something "aberrant." Nothing is inherently aberrant.

Behaviour or genetics make something aberrant.
All aberrant humans are natural.

You make a good point. Evolution is impossible without aberrancy.

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Reply #241 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 10:07pm

AiA wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:58pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:51pm:

AiA wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:45pm:

AiA wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:43pm:

Homosexuality IS "natural." How do I know? It exists. Have cultures regulated it over the centuries? Absolutely. Just like they have all forms of sexuality.

Not the point AiA, is aberrant?

Thought makes something "aberrant." Nothing is inherently aberrant.

Behaviour or genetics make something aberrant.
All aberrant humans are natural.

You make a good point. Evolution is impossible without aberrancy.

Gays can further evolution as non breeding resources to support the ones that carry their genes forward. If you think of the "grandmother" thesis for how we were able to develop, adding in gays of younger age would also help.

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Poofs could have been useful too.

Quote:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/jul/24/prehistoric-man-helped-as-elderl...
Thirty thousand years ago, the human species had a senior moment. Numbers of adults reaching the age of 30 began to rise dramatically. Very soon after, there was a significant increase in artistic expression, food production and the creation of complex tools and weapons.

According to anthropologist Professor Rachel Caspari of Central Michigan University, there is a connection. The surge in numbers of elderly humans triggered a cultural explosion that established our species as masters of the planet.

Senior citizens were the secret of our success, she argues in the current issue of Scientific American. "Living to an older age had profound effects on the population sizes, social interactions and genetics of early modern human groups and may explain why they were more successful than other archaic humans, such as the Neanderthals," says Caspari.

Perhaps it had "gay" moment. Who the hell else give a shyte about art and crap?

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Reply #243 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 10:19pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 10:11pm:

Poofs could have been useful too.

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https://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/jul/24/prehistoric-man-helped-as-elderl...
Thirty thousand years ago, the human species had a senior moment. Numbers of adults reaching the age of 30 began to rise dramatically. Very soon after, there was a significant increase in artistic expression, food production and the creation of complex tools and weapons.

According to anthropologist Professor Rachel Caspari of Central Michigan University, there is a connection. The surge in numbers of elderly humans triggered a cultural explosion that established our species as masters of the planet.

Senior citizens were the secret of our success, she argues in the current issue of Scientific American. "Living to an older age had profound effects on the population sizes, social interactions and genetics of early modern human groups and may explain why they were more successful than other archaic humans, such as the Neanderthals," says Caspari.

Perhaps it had "gay" moment. Who the hell else give a shyte about art and crap?

Did you ever see the classic Dustin Hoffman movie "Little Big Man" with the gay American Indian? While the movie was a comedy, it demonstrated the matter-of-fact way the Indians treated homosexuality.

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Reply #244 - Jul 16^th, 2018 at 10:27pm

AiA wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 10:19pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 10:11pm:

Poofs could have been useful too.

Quote:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/jul/24/prehistoric-man-helped-as-elderl...
Thirty thousand years ago, the human species had a senior moment. Numbers of adults reaching the age of 30 began to rise dramatically. Very soon after, there was a significant increase in artistic expression, food production and the creation of complex tools and weapons.

According to anthropologist Professor Rachel Caspari of Central Michigan University, there is a connection. The surge in numbers of elderly humans triggered a cultural explosion that established our species as masters of the planet.

Senior citizens were the secret of our success, she argues in the current issue of Scientific American. "Living to an older age had profound effects on the population sizes, social interactions and genetics of early modern human groups and may explain why they were more successful than other archaic humans, such as the Neanderthals," says Caspari.

Perhaps it had "gay" moment. Who the hell else give a shyte about art and crap?

Did you ever see the classic Dustin Hoffman movie "Little Big Man" with the gay American Indian? While the movie was a comedy, it demonstrated the matter-of-fact way the Indians treated homosexuality.

Many cultures dealt with poofs better than we do. I'm not sure why we are supposed to fear them. I mean I can tell stories where they have thrown their sissy basket of flowers onto the floor and spat the dummy their kid would have in it's mouth if they were able to have kids, but generally they're OK to get along with and some I even like. I tend to take people on how they are to me.

Edit: To answer your Q, no. Might have o look at it as long as it's not too gay.

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Reply #247 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 12:15am

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 10:27pm:

AiA wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 10:19pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 10:11pm:

Poofs could have been useful too.

Quote:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/jul/24/prehistoric-man-helped-as-elderl...
Thirty thousand years ago, the human species had a senior moment. Numbers of adults reaching the age of 30 began to rise dramatically. Very soon after, there was a significant increase in artistic expression, food production and the creation of complex tools and weapons.

According to anthropologist Professor Rachel Caspari of Central Michigan University, there is a connection. The surge in numbers of elderly humans triggered a cultural explosion that established our species as masters of the planet.

Senior citizens were the secret of our success, she argues in the current issue of Scientific American. "Living to an older age had profound effects on the population sizes, social interactions and genetics of early modern human groups and may explain why they were more successful than other archaic humans, such as the Neanderthals," says Caspari.

Perhaps it had "gay" moment. Who the hell else give a shyte about art and crap?

Did you ever see the classic Dustin Hoffman movie "Little Big Man" with the gay American Indian? While the movie was a comedy, it demonstrated the matter-of-fact way the Indians treated homosexuality.

Many cultures dealt with poofs better than we do. I'm not sure why we are supposed to fear them. I mean I can tell stories where they have thrown their sissy basket of flowers onto the floor and spat the dummy their kid would have in it's mouth if they were able to have kids, but generally they're OK to get along with and some I even like. I tend to take people on how they are to me.

Edit: To answer your Q, no. Might have o look at it as long as it's not too gay.

Same here.... if a poof treats me decently - and I always begin by treating them decently - I have no 'issue' with their sexuality.

The ex has a nephew who after the Army and such, figured out he was a poof - lives with a guy from Madagascar - we all treat them as just another family member - no difference. The ex had a whale of a time going out with them in the Oxford Street Pink Precinct..... thoroughly enjoyed herself...

When we meet there is no problem or even tension... we all drink the same beer.... and they don't even have to call me Sir!!

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Reply #248 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:11pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:47pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:46pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:42pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:41pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:33pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:21pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:15pm:

That's not true but I can't think of a way to prove that bar that looking it up yourself would show it. Whether something is "typically unwelcome" without clarifying what that meant when the definition of aberration is the same whether it is typical or not is the point.

So, how do you explain that homosexuality occurs naturally if it is not normal?

That is occurs naturally does not discount it is aberrant. Should I make a list of things that occur in our species that you would consider aberrant? Would that help you understand what I'm saying or would you then try and say that I am trying to derail or make equivocations?

Please do.

Cancers are an aberration, genetic defects, xxy and xyy are genetic aberrations. Is cannibalism aberrant? Child marriage? Slavery? Beating one's wife? Slicing up your child's genitals? These are all things that have occurred naturally in human societies and were not an aberration to those people. So have war, bestiality, torture.

All of these are aberrant, they are not the norm. They do happen and quite often they are unwelcome. Now don't turn around and say I am equivocating. I don't equal what someone does in their own home by choice as all or any of the above, I do say it's ab aberration.

Look, I get what you're saying, and I can't explain why but I don't think that homosexuality is an aberration. I think it's quite normal. That is my view.

Homosexuality is an aberration by definition "usually unwelcome", ie "not always", matters not. I guess you don't want to accept that. I can and I couldn't care what they do. Not my business.

We can sit here at impasse with my queen and bishop eyeing your king all night, but you know I'm right.

I don't think you're right. I don't believe it's an aberration. I believe that it's completely normal.

Call it doublethink - call it lunancy - call it whatever you like. That is what I believe.

If it was normal, we'd all be doing it. Well most of us.

Let's agree to disagree on this one. I believe it's normal; you don't. Diversity of opinion.

I believe it's natural, not normal which is why I picked up your your use of aberrant.

Actually, let's explore this further. The key subtlety of aberrant is 'unwelcome'. You mentioned cancer before as an aberration. Yes, cancer is unwelcome, but homosexuality is welcome, at least in Australia and some countries.

Therefore, homosexuality is not an aberration.

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Reply #249 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:28pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:47pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:46pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:42pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:41pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:33pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:21pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:15pm:

That's not true but I can't think of a way to prove that bar that looking it up yourself would show it. Whether something is "typically unwelcome" without clarifying what that meant when the definition of aberration is the same whether it is typical or not is the point.

So, how do you explain that homosexuality occurs naturally if it is not normal?

That is occurs naturally does not discount it is aberrant. Should I make a list of things that occur in our species that you would consider aberrant? Would that help you understand what I'm saying or would you then try and say that I am trying to derail or make equivocations?

Please do.

Cancers are an aberration, genetic defects, xxy and xyy are genetic aberrations. Is cannibalism aberrant? Child marriage? Slavery? Beating one's wife? Slicing up your child's genitals? These are all things that have occurred naturally in human societies and were not an aberration to those people. So have war, bestiality, torture.

All of these are aberrant, they are not the norm. They do happen and quite often they are unwelcome. Now don't turn around and say I am equivocating. I don't equal what someone does in their own home by choice as all or any of the above, I do say it's ab aberration.

Look, I get what you're saying, and I can't explain why but I don't think that homosexuality is an aberration. I think it's quite normal. That is my view.

Homosexuality is an aberration by definition "usually unwelcome", ie "not always", matters not. I guess you don't want to accept that. I can and I couldn't care what they do. Not my business.

We can sit here at impasse with my queen and bishop eyeing your king all night, but you know I'm right.

I don't think you're right. I don't believe it's an aberration. I believe that it's completely normal.

Call it doublethink - call it lunancy - call it whatever you like. That is what I believe.

If it was normal, we'd all be doing it. Well most of us.

Let's agree to disagree on this one. I believe it's normal; you don't. Diversity of opinion.

I believe it's natural, not normal which is why I picked up your your use of aberrant.

Actually, let's explore this further. The key subtlety of aberrant is 'unwelcome'. You mentioned cancer before as an aberration. Yes, cancer is unwelcome, but homosexuality is welcome, at least in Australia and some countries.

Therefore, homosexuality is not an aberration.

In most African countries it is.

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Reply #250 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:38pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:28pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:47pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:46pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:42pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:41pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:33pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:21pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:15pm:

That's not true but I can't think of a way to prove that bar that looking it up yourself would show it. Whether something is "typically unwelcome" without clarifying what that meant when the definition of aberration is the same whether it is typical or not is the point.

So, how do you explain that homosexuality occurs naturally if it is not normal?

That is occurs naturally does not discount it is aberrant. Should I make a list of things that occur in our species that you would consider aberrant? Would that help you understand what I'm saying or would you then try and say that I am trying to derail or make equivocations?

Please do.

Cancers are an aberration, genetic defects, xxy and xyy are genetic aberrations. Is cannibalism aberrant? Child marriage? Slavery? Beating one's wife? Slicing up your child's genitals? These are all things that have occurred naturally in human societies and were not an aberration to those people. So have war, bestiality, torture.

All of these are aberrant, they are not the norm. They do happen and quite often they are unwelcome. Now don't turn around and say I am equivocating. I don't equal what someone does in their own home by choice as all or any of the above, I do say it's ab aberration.

Look, I get what you're saying, and I can't explain why but I don't think that homosexuality is an aberration. I think it's quite normal. That is my view.

Homosexuality is an aberration by definition "usually unwelcome", ie "not always", matters not. I guess you don't want to accept that. I can and I couldn't care what they do. Not my business.

We can sit here at impasse with my queen and bishop eyeing your king all night, but you know I'm right.

I don't think you're right. I don't believe it's an aberration. I believe that it's completely normal.

Call it doublethink - call it lunancy - call it whatever you like. That is what I believe.

If it was normal, we'd all be doing it. Well most of us.

Let's agree to disagree on this one. I believe it's normal; you don't. Diversity of opinion.

I believe it's natural, not normal which is why I picked up your your use of aberrant.

Actually, let's explore this further. The key subtlety of aberrant is 'unwelcome'. You mentioned cancer before as an aberration. Yes, cancer is unwelcome, but homosexuality is welcome, at least in Australia and some countries.

Therefore, homosexuality is not an aberration.

In most African countries it is.

We're talking about Australia.

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Reply #251 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:42pm

Homosexuality is an anomolie
An aberration

Simply because they are a tiny percentage of the population.

Homosexuality is a mental illness
Just like many other perversions.
It's only because they are seriously vocal and generally involved in the entertainment industry, they are tolerated.
Not accepted as you try to elude to, but simply tolerated
Just as one would a disabled child.

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Valkie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:42pm:

Homosexuality is an anomolie
An aberration

Simply because they are a tiny percentage of the population.

Homosexuality is a mental illness
Just like many other perversions.
It's only because they are seriously vocal and generally involved in the entertainment industry, they are tolerated.
Not accepted as you try to elude to, but simply tolerated
Just as one would a disabled child.

Scientists and medical professionals disagree.

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Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:47pm:

Valkie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:42pm:

Homosexuality is an anomolie
An aberration

Simply because they are a tiny percentage of the population.

Homosexuality is a mental illness
Just like many other perversions.
It's only because they are seriously vocal and generally involved in the entertainment industry, they are tolerated.
Not accepted as you try to elude to, but simply tolerated
Just as one would a disabled child.

Scientists and medical professionals disagree.

Unless you know better than them.

They are forced to toe the politically correct line.
But if you were truly honest
you would acknowledge that homosexuality is a perversion, just like other sexually perverse practices that are not related to normal procreation.

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Valkie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:58pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:47pm:

Valkie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:42pm:

Homosexuality is an anomolie
An aberration

Simply because they are a tiny percentage of the population.

Homosexuality is a mental illness
Just like many other perversions.
It's only because they are seriously vocal and generally involved in the entertainment industry, they are tolerated.
Not accepted as you try to elude to, but simply tolerated
Just as one would a disabled child.

Scientists and medical professionals disagree.

Unless you know better than them.

They are forced to toe the politically correct line.
But if you were truly honest
you would acknowledge that homosexuality is a perversion, just like other sexually perverse practices that are not related to normal procreation.

What's wrong with this logic, Valkie?

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Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:01pm:

Valkie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:58pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:47pm:

Valkie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:42pm:

Homosexuality is an anomolie
An aberration

Simply because they are a tiny percentage of the population.

Homosexuality is a mental illness
Just like many other perversions.
It's only because they are seriously vocal and generally involved in the entertainment industry, they are tolerated.
Not accepted as you try to elude to, but simply tolerated
Just as one would a disabled child.

Scientists and medical professionals disagree.

Unless you know better than them.

They are forced to toe the politically correct line.
But if you were truly honest
you would acknowledge that homosexuality is a perversion, just like other sexually perverse practices that are not related to normal procreation.

What's wrong with this logic, Valkie?

That you see perversion as normal, I dont.

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Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

So know "gay marriage" is an industry?

Will it create more jobs?

Require more infrastructure to be built?

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Reply #258 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:20pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

suitable facilities?

what does that mean?

You understand that there are a limited amount of wedding facilities available that gays can be a tad fussy and that not all facilities are available to them.

Then there is the period of engagement following a proposal. This started about 4 months ago.

How many Hetro marriages are organised in under 4 months of the engagement and why should same sex marriages be any different ?

You will find than many facilities are booked well over 6 months in advance.

I know of one, I met my wife in Oct '83, she proposed in Dec '83, we were married in Apr '84.

That's 5 mths Tongue

from meeting it's 7 Tongue

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Reply #259 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:26pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:00pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:58pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:56pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

suitable facilities?

what does that mean?

You understand that there are a limited amount of wedding facilities available that gays can be a tad fussy and that not all facilities are available to them.

Then there is the period of engagement following a proposal. This started about 4 months ago.

How many Hetro marriages are organised in under 4 months of the engagement and why should same sex marriages be any different ?

You will find than many facilities are booked well over 6 months in advance.

I know of one, I met my wife in Oct '83, she proposed in Dec '83, we were married in Apr '84.

poo! That was quick! How'd you pull that off?

Might have been the blowjob she was giving me as we were driving down to the south west of WA for Christmas holidays. But what can I say, she asked, I said yes and here we are 34 years on.

Jesus, Set!

No, he was on the dashboard.

I personally find oral sex disgusting.

Really? is that the combined smith mothra mutant view ... or just from one side?

Or are you just fishing?

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Reply #260 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:30pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:07pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Auggie thinks homosexuality is normal when only a small percentage of the world population do it. It's just not standard mainstream behaviour.

It's normal because it's natural, you twit. Is everything that is in a minority an aberration?

Nope. Only things that don't make biological sense. Men coupling and women coupling just doesn't work.

Says who?

God?

Nature. A small percentage of humans are the only life forms on gods green earth who sexually couple. It's a anomaly.

Homosexuality is known in the animal kingdom too, not just humans.

They are not born homosexual ... it occurs because of the mating drive & lack of available females.

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Reply #262 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:32pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:47pm:

I believe it's natural, not normal which is why I picked up your your use of aberrant.

Actually, let's explore this further. The key subtlety of aberrant is 'unwelcome'. You mentioned cancer before as an aberration. Yes, cancer is unwelcome, but homosexuality is welcome, at least in Australia and some countries.

Therefore, homosexuality is not an aberration.

I don't agree with your "key subtlety" position. I think you will find it's unwelcome in more countries than it is welcome. It's another aberration from the norm that those few countries out of all the countries in the world welcome it.

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Reply #263 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:32pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:26pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:00pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:58pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:56pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

suitable facilities?

what does that mean?

You understand that there are a limited amount of wedding facilities available that gays can be a tad fussy and that not all facilities are available to them.

Then there is the period of engagement following a proposal. This started about 4 months ago.

How many Hetro marriages are organised in under 4 months of the engagement and why should same sex marriages be any different ?

You will find than many facilities are booked well over 6 months in advance.

I know of one, I met my wife in Oct '83, she proposed in Dec '83, we were married in Apr '84.

poo! That was quick! How'd you pull that off?

Might have been the blowjob she was giving me as we were driving down to the south west of WA for Christmas holidays. But what can I say, she asked, I said yes and here we are 34 years on.

Jesus, Set!

No, he was on the dashboard.

I personally find oral sex disgusting.

Really? is that the combined smith mothra mutant view ... or just from one side?

Or are you just fishing?

No, I'm expressing an opinion.

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Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:47pm:

I believe it's natural, not normal which is why I picked up your your use of aberrant.

Actually, let's explore this further. The key subtlety of aberrant is 'unwelcome'. You mentioned cancer before as an aberration. Yes, cancer is unwelcome, but homosexuality is welcome, at least in Australia and some countries.

Therefore, homosexuality is not an aberration.

I don't agree with your "key subtlety" position. I think you will find it's unwelcome in more countries than it is welcome. It's another aberration from the norm that those few countries out of all the countries in the world welcome it.

Well, we're talking about people of good sense here, aren't we, Set? I couldn't really give two hoots if it's outlawed in the majority of countries; those laws are wrong.

And no, you don't agree with the 'key subtlety' position. You purposely omitted it from your original definition, and seem to be back-pedalling.

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Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:00pm:

I personally find oral sex disgusting.

I pity your wife but anyway. Homosexuals do have sex, they are not all platonic, chaste relationships, would you rather anal sex over oral? I find anal sex disgusting even in hetero relationships.

We don't need to go down this path of what we do not like about human sexual practices though, it's a sideshow. Let's get back to if homosexuality is an aberration or not.

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Reply #266 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:40pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:26pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:00pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:58pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:56pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

suitable facilities?

what does that mean?

You understand that there are a limited amount of wedding facilities available that gays can be a tad fussy and that not all facilities are available to them.

Then there is the period of engagement following a proposal. This started about 4 months ago.

How many Hetro marriages are organised in under 4 months of the engagement and why should same sex marriages be any different ?

You will find than many facilities are booked well over 6 months in advance.

I know of one, I met my wife in Oct '83, she proposed in Dec '83, we were married in Apr '84.

poo! That was quick! How'd you pull that off?

Might have been the blowjob she was giving me as we were driving down to the south west of WA for Christmas holidays. But what can I say, she asked, I said yes and here we are 34 years on.

Jesus, Set!

No, he was on the dashboard.

I personally find oral sex disgusting.

Really? is that the combined smith mothra mutant view ... or just from one side?

Or are you just fishing?

Perhaps Auggie's had a bad experience with genital warts and was left with something between his teeth he could just not swallow?

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Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:38pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:00pm:

I personally find oral sex disgusting.

I pity your wife but anyway. Homosexuals do have sex, they are not all platonic, chaste relationships, would you rather anal sex over oral? I find anal sex disgusting even in hetero relationships.

We don't need to go down this path of what we do not like about human sexual practices though, it's a sideshow. Let's get back to if homosexuality is an aberration or not.

It's not.

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Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

So know "gay marriage" is an industry?

Will it create more jobs?

Require more infrastructure to be built?

Wanker Angry

You think that the multi billion dollar industry supporting hetro marriage is not an industry ?

Have to admit that your signature line is correct.

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Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:47pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:46pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:42pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:41pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:33pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:21pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:15pm:

That's not true but I can't think of a way to prove that bar that looking it up yourself would show it. Whether something is "typically unwelcome" without clarifying what that meant when the definition of aberration is the same whether it is typical or not is the point.

So, how do you explain that homosexuality occurs naturally if it is not normal?

That is occurs naturally does not discount it is aberrant. Should I make a list of things that occur in our species that you would consider aberrant? Would that help you understand what I'm saying or would you then try and say that I am trying to derail or make equivocations?

Please do.

Cancers are an aberration, genetic defects, xxy and xyy are genetic aberrations. Is cannibalism aberrant? Child marriage? Slavery? Beating one's wife? Slicing up your child's genitals? These are all things that have occurred naturally in human societies and were not an aberration to those people. So have war, bestiality, torture.

All of these are aberrant, they are not the norm. They do happen and quite often they are unwelcome. Now don't turn around and say I am equivocating. I don't equal what someone does in their own home by choice as all or any of the above, I do say it's ab aberration.

Look, I get what you're saying, and I can't explain why but I don't think that homosexuality is an aberration. I think it's quite normal. That is my view.

Homosexuality is an aberration by definition "usually unwelcome", ie "not always", matters not. I guess you don't want to accept that. I can and I couldn't care what they do. Not my business.

We can sit here at impasse with my queen and bishop eyeing your king all night, but you know I'm right.

I don't think you're right. I don't believe it's an aberration. I believe that it's completely normal.

Call it doublethink - call it lunancy - call it whatever you like. That is what I believe.

If it was normal, we'd all be doing it. Well most of us.

Let's agree to disagree on this one. I believe it's normal; you don't. Diversity of opinion.

I believe it's natural, not normal which is why I picked up your your use of aberrant.

Actually, let's explore this further. The key subtlety of aberrant is 'unwelcome'. You mentioned cancer before as an aberration. Yes, cancer is unwelcome, but homosexuality is welcome, at least in Australia and some countries.

Therefore, homosexuality is not an aberration.

Big call ... I think a more apt descriptor would be tolerated.

It's certainly not "welcomed".

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Reply #270 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:41pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:40pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:26pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:00pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:58pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:56pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

suitable facilities?

what does that mean?

You understand that there are a limited amount of wedding facilities available that gays can be a tad fussy and that not all facilities are available to them.

Then there is the period of engagement following a proposal. This started about 4 months ago.

How many Hetro marriages are organised in under 4 months of the engagement and why should same sex marriages be any different ?

You will find than many facilities are booked well over 6 months in advance.

I know of one, I met my wife in Oct '83, she proposed in Dec '83, we were married in Apr '84.

poo! That was quick! How'd you pull that off?

Might have been the blowjob she was giving me as we were driving down to the south west of WA for Christmas holidays. But what can I say, she asked, I said yes and here we are 34 years on.

Jesus, Set!

No, he was on the dashboard.

I personally find oral sex disgusting.

Really? is that the combined smith mothra mutant view ... or just from one side?

Or are you just fishing?

Perhaps Auggie's had a bad experience with genital warts and was left with something between his teeth he could just not swallow?

Is that your idea of joke, or were you trying to be rude?

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Reply #271 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:42pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:40pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:47pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:46pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:42pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:41pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:33pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:21pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:15pm:

That's not true but I can't think of a way to prove that bar that looking it up yourself would show it. Whether something is "typically unwelcome" without clarifying what that meant when the definition of aberration is the same whether it is typical or not is the point.

So, how do you explain that homosexuality occurs naturally if it is not normal?

That is occurs naturally does not discount it is aberrant. Should I make a list of things that occur in our species that you would consider aberrant? Would that help you understand what I'm saying or would you then try and say that I am trying to derail or make equivocations?

Please do.

Cancers are an aberration, genetic defects, xxy and xyy are genetic aberrations. Is cannibalism aberrant? Child marriage? Slavery? Beating one's wife? Slicing up your child's genitals? These are all things that have occurred naturally in human societies and were not an aberration to those people. So have war, bestiality, torture.

All of these are aberrant, they are not the norm. They do happen and quite often they are unwelcome. Now don't turn around and say I am equivocating. I don't equal what someone does in their own home by choice as all or any of the above, I do say it's ab aberration.

Look, I get what you're saying, and I can't explain why but I don't think that homosexuality is an aberration. I think it's quite normal. That is my view.

Homosexuality is an aberration by definition "usually unwelcome", ie "not always", matters not. I guess you don't want to accept that. I can and I couldn't care what they do. Not my business.

We can sit here at impasse with my queen and bishop eyeing your king all night, but you know I'm right.

I don't think you're right. I don't believe it's an aberration. I believe that it's completely normal.

Call it doublethink - call it lunancy - call it whatever you like. That is what I believe.

If it was normal, we'd all be doing it. Well most of us.

Let's agree to disagree on this one. I believe it's normal; you don't. Diversity of opinion.

I believe it's natural, not normal which is why I picked up your your use of aberrant.

Actually, let's explore this further. The key subtlety of aberrant is 'unwelcome'. You mentioned cancer before as an aberration. Yes, cancer is unwelcome, but homosexuality is welcome, at least in Australia and some countries.

Therefore, homosexuality is not an aberration.

Big call ... I think a more apt descriptor would be tolerated.

It's certainly not "welcomed".

So, more than 60% of Australians welcomed it in the vote, whether you liked or it not.

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Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

So know "gay marriage" is an industry?

Will it create more jobs?

Require more infrastructure to be built?

Wanker Angry

You think that the multi billion dollar industry supporting hetro marriage is not an industry ?

Churches have always been there for other purposes & so have halls/venues.

That clowns spend inordinate amounts of money showboating on weddings doesn't make it a huge industry.

And seeings as more & more people are choosing not to marry today ... I'd say there's a downward trend.

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Reply #273 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:44pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:34pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:47pm:

I believe it's natural, not normal which is why I picked up your your use of aberrant.

Actually, let's explore this further. The key subtlety of aberrant is 'unwelcome'. You mentioned cancer before as an aberration. Yes, cancer is unwelcome, but homosexuality is welcome, at least in Australia and some countries.

Therefore, homosexuality is not an aberration.

I don't agree with your "key subtlety" position. I think you will find it's unwelcome in more countries than it is welcome. It's another aberration from the norm that those few countries out of all the countries in the world welcome it.

Well, we're talking about people of good sense here, aren't we, Set? I couldn't really give two hoots if it's outlawed in the majority of countries; those laws are wrong.

And no, you don't agree with the 'key subtlety' position. You purposely omitted it from your original definition, and seem to be back-pedalling.

Oh, back pedalling, where have I heard that before, hmmm. I have explained that more than enough, "usually is not always". I'm not going into a debate about "good sense" as you seem absolutely certain you have "good sense" but others that disagree do not. That's not a good basis for a discussion.

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Reply #275 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:47pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:26pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:00pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:58pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:56pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

suitable facilities?

what does that mean?

You understand that there are a limited amount of wedding facilities available that gays can be a tad fussy and that not all facilities are available to them.

Then there is the period of engagement following a proposal. This started about 4 months ago.

How many Hetro marriages are organised in under 4 months of the engagement and why should same sex marriages be any different ?

You will find than many facilities are booked well over 6 months in advance.

I know of one, I met my wife in Oct '83, she proposed in Dec '83, we were married in Apr '84.

poo! That was quick! How'd you pull that off?

Might have been the blowjob she was giving me as we were driving down to the south west of WA for Christmas holidays. But what can I say, she asked, I said yes and here we are 34 years on.

Jesus, Set!

No, he was on the dashboard.

I personally find oral sex disgusting.

Really? is that the combined smith mothra mutant view ... or just from one side?

Or are you just fishing?

No, I'm expressing an opinion.

About you're sexual repressiveness?

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So, more than 60% of Australians welcomed it in the vote, whether you liked or it not.

You use this reasoning when it agrees with you but when most of the world disagree you find that not worthy of mention or more precisely, derision of them as not having "good sense" that you have.

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Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:44pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:34pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:47pm:

I believe it's natural, not normal which is why I picked up your your use of aberrant.

Actually, let's explore this further. The key subtlety of aberrant is 'unwelcome'. You mentioned cancer before as an aberration. Yes, cancer is unwelcome, but homosexuality is welcome, at least in Australia and some countries.

Therefore, homosexuality is not an aberration.

I don't agree with your "key subtlety" position. I think you will find it's unwelcome in more countries than it is welcome. It's another aberration from the norm that those few countries out of all the countries in the world welcome it.

Well, we're talking about people of good sense here, aren't we, Set? I couldn't really give two hoots if it's outlawed in the majority of countries; those laws are wrong.

And no, you don't agree with the 'key subtlety' position. You purposely omitted it from your original definition, and seem to be back-pedalling.

Oh, back pedalling, where have I heard that before, hmmm. I have explained that more than enough, "usually is not always". I'm not going into a debate about "good sense" as you seem absolutely certain you have "good sense" but others that disagree do not. That's not a good basis for a discussion.

What the hell are you talking about?

Homosexuality is welcome in Australia.

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Reply #278 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:48pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:41pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:40pm:

Perhaps Auggie's had a bad experience with genital warts and was left with something between his teeth he could just not swallow?

Is that your idea of joke, or were you trying to be rude?

I thought it was funny. Undecided

Don't abase yourself to the level of those bigots on OzPol, Set. You're better than that, aren't you?

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Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:59pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

What happened to the same sex marriage boom?

It is likely to boom over the next decade.

Very likely an increase in volume as facilities and gear up to support the industry.

I know of 3 same sex marriages to take place in the next few months, they say that the main reason for delay is the lack of suitable facilities and preparation time.

suitable facilities?

what does that mean?

You understand that there are a limited amount of wedding facilities available that gays can be a tad fussy and that not all facilities are available to them.

Then there is the period of engagement following a proposal. This started about 4 months ago.

How many Hetro marriages are organised in under 4 months of the engagement and why should same sex marriages be any different ?

You will find than many facilities are booked well over 6 months in advance.

I know of one, I met my wife in Oct '83, she proposed in Dec '83, we were married in Apr '84.

Yes it does happen but this topic is about high volume - why have there not been 20,000 same sex marriages in the last 4 months - i.e a boom ???

How do you think you would go rocking up to organise 10,000 last minute venues in the same 4 month period ?

Hey, I was just answering a q.

And it was a good answer but hardly representative of the normal expectation.

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Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:38pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:00pm:

I personally find oral sex disgusting.

I pity your wife but anyway. Homosexuals do have sex, they are not all platonic, chaste relationships, would you rather anal sex over oral? I find anal sex disgusting even in hetero relationships.

We don't need to go down this path of what we do not like about human sexual practices though, it's a sideshow. Let's get back to if homosexuality is an aberration or not.

It's not.

Certainly is.

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Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:41pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:40pm:

Perhaps Auggie's had a bad experience with genital warts and was left with something between his teeth he could just not swallow?

Is that your idea of joke, or were you trying to be rude?

I thought it was funny. Undecided

Don't abase yourself to the level of those bigots on OzPol, Set. You're better than that, aren't you?

Are you saying me making jokes about genital warts is bigotted against those with them?

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Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:47pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:42pm:

So, more than 60% of Australians welcomed it in the vote, whether you liked or it not.

You use this reasoning when it agrees with you but when most of the world disagree you find that not worthy of mention or more precisely, derision of them as not having "good sense" that you have.

What happens in the rest of world has no practical application for homosexuals in Australia.

All you're doing is just equivocating.

Just because you don't like homosexuality, doesn't mean that you're in the majority in Australia.

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Reply #283 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:51pm

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Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:40pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:47pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:46pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:42pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:41pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:33pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:21pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:15pm:

That's not true but I can't think of a way to prove that bar that looking it up yourself would show it. Whether something is "typically unwelcome" without clarifying what that meant when the definition of aberration is the same whether it is typical or not is the point.

So, how do you explain that homosexuality occurs naturally if it is not normal?

That is occurs naturally does not discount it is aberrant. Should I make a list of things that occur in our species that you would consider aberrant? Would that help you understand what I'm saying or would you then try and say that I am trying to derail or make equivocations?

Please do.

Cancers are an aberration, genetic defects, xxy and xyy are genetic aberrations. Is cannibalism aberrant? Child marriage? Slavery? Beating one's wife? Slicing up your child's genitals? These are all things that have occurred naturally in human societies and were not an aberration to those people. So have war, bestiality, torture.

All of these are aberrant, they are not the norm. They do happen and quite often they are unwelcome. Now don't turn around and say I am equivocating. I don't equal what someone does in their own home by choice as all or any of the above, I do say it's ab aberration.

Look, I get what you're saying, and I can't explain why but I don't think that homosexuality is an aberration. I think it's quite normal. That is my view.

Homosexuality is an aberration by definition "usually unwelcome", ie "not always", matters not. I guess you don't want to accept that. I can and I couldn't care what they do. Not my business.

We can sit here at impasse with my queen and bishop eyeing your king all night, but you know I'm right.

I don't think you're right. I don't believe it's an aberration. I believe that it's completely normal.

Call it doublethink - call it lunancy - call it whatever you like. That is what I believe.

If it was normal, we'd all be doing it. Well most of us.

Let's agree to disagree on this one. I believe it's normal; you don't. Diversity of opinion.

I believe it's natural, not normal which is why I picked up your your use of aberrant.

Actually, let's explore this further. The key subtlety of aberrant is 'unwelcome'. You mentioned cancer before as an aberration. Yes, cancer is unwelcome, but homosexuality is welcome, at least in Australia and some countries.

Therefore, homosexuality is not an aberration.

Big call ... I think a more apt descriptor would be tolerated.

It's certainly not "welcomed".

So, more than 60% of Australians welcomed it in the vote, whether you liked or it not.

You abuse & misuse the use of the words "welcome, welcomes, welcomed".

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Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:49pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:41pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:40pm:

Perhaps Auggie's had a bad experience with genital warts and was left with something between his teeth he could just not swallow?

Is that your idea of joke, or were you trying to be rude?

I thought it was funny. Undecided

Don't abase yourself to the level of those bigots on OzPol, Set. You're better than that, aren't you?

Are you saying me making jokes about genital warts is bigotted against those with them?

No, I'm saying that you're were edging very close to being an 'asshole'.

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Reply #285 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:54pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:47pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:44pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:34pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:47pm:

I believe it's natural, not normal which is why I picked up your your use of aberrant.

Actually, let's explore this further. The key subtlety of aberrant is 'unwelcome'. You mentioned cancer before as an aberration. Yes, cancer is unwelcome, but homosexuality is welcome, at least in Australia and some countries.

Therefore, homosexuality is not an aberration.

I don't agree with your "key subtlety" position. I think you will find it's unwelcome in more countries than it is welcome. It's another aberration from the norm that those few countries out of all the countries in the world welcome it.

Well, we're talking about people of good sense here, aren't we, Set? I couldn't really give two hoots if it's outlawed in the majority of countries; those laws are wrong.

And no, you don't agree with the 'key subtlety' position. You purposely omitted it from your original definition, and seem to be back-pedalling.

Oh, back pedalling, where have I heard that before, hmmm. I have explained that more than enough, "usually is not always". I'm not going into a debate about "good sense" as you seem absolutely certain you have "good sense" but others that disagree do not. That's not a good basis for a discussion.

What the hell are you talking about?

Homosexuality is welcome in Australia.

Oh bs ... f*#k off Roll Eyes

If it was so welcome we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

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Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:50pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:47pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:42pm:

So, more than 60% of Australians welcomed it in the vote, whether you liked or it not.

You use this reasoning when it agrees with you but when most of the world disagree you find that not worthy of mention or more precisely, derision of them as not having "good sense" that you have.

What happens in the rest of world has no practical application for homosexuals in Australia.

All you're doing is just equivocating.

Just because you don't like homosexuality, doesn't mean that you're in the majority in Australia.

I couldn't give a stuff about what people do in their bedroom as I've said multiple times. It is an aberration world wide. Just because one country "accepts" it, not "welcomes" it does not make not an aberration, it makes that one or those few countries that do "accept" it aberrant on the global scale.

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Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:51pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:42pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:40pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:47pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:46pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:42pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:41pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:33pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:21pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:15pm:

That's not true but I can't think of a way to prove that bar that looking it up yourself would show it. Whether something is "typically unwelcome" without clarifying what that meant when the definition of aberration is the same whether it is typical or not is the point.

So, how do you explain that homosexuality occurs naturally if it is not normal?

That is occurs naturally does not discount it is aberrant. Should I make a list of things that occur in our species that you would consider aberrant? Would that help you understand what I'm saying or would you then try and say that I am trying to derail or make equivocations?

Please do.

Cancers are an aberration, genetic defects, xxy and xyy are genetic aberrations. Is cannibalism aberrant? Child marriage? Slavery? Beating one's wife? Slicing up your child's genitals? These are all things that have occurred naturally in human societies and were not an aberration to those people. So have war, bestiality, torture.

All of these are aberrant, they are not the norm. They do happen and quite often they are unwelcome. Now don't turn around and say I am equivocating. I don't equal what someone does in their own home by choice as all or any of the above, I do say it's ab aberration.

Look, I get what you're saying, and I can't explain why but I don't think that homosexuality is an aberration. I think it's quite normal. That is my view.

Homosexuality is an aberration by definition "usually unwelcome", ie "not always", matters not. I guess you don't want to accept that. I can and I couldn't care what they do. Not my business.

We can sit here at impasse with my queen and bishop eyeing your king all night, but you know I'm right.

I don't think you're right. I don't believe it's an aberration. I believe that it's completely normal.

Call it doublethink - call it lunancy - call it whatever you like. That is what I believe.

If it was normal, we'd all be doing it. Well most of us.

Let's agree to disagree on this one. I believe it's normal; you don't. Diversity of opinion.

I believe it's natural, not normal which is why I picked up your your use of aberrant.

Actually, let's explore this further. The key subtlety of aberrant is 'unwelcome'. You mentioned cancer before as an aberration. Yes, cancer is unwelcome, but homosexuality is welcome, at least in Australia and some countries.

Therefore, homosexuality is not an aberration.

Big call ... I think a more apt descriptor would be tolerated.

It's certainly not "welcomed".

So, more than 60% of Australians welcomed it in the vote, whether you liked or it not.

You abuse & misuse the use of the words "welcome, welcomes, welcomed".

And you misuse words in general.

Shocked

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Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:55pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:50pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:47pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:42pm:

So, more than 60% of Australians welcomed it in the vote, whether you liked or it not.

You use this reasoning when it agrees with you but when most of the world disagree you find that not worthy of mention or more precisely, derision of them as not having "good sense" that you have.

What happens in the rest of world has no practical application for homosexuals in Australia.

All you're doing is just equivocating.

Just because you don't like homosexuality, doesn't mean that you're in the majority in Australia.

I couldn't give a stuff about what people do in their bedroom as I've said multiple times. It is an aberration world wide. Just because one country "accepts" it, not "welcomes" it does not make not an aberration, it makes that one or those few countries that do "accept" it aberrant on the global scale.

Universal errors exist, Set; and all those other countries ARE WRONG. Simple as that.

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Reply #292 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:57pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:51pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:49pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:41pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:40pm:

Perhaps Auggie's had a bad experience with genital warts and was left with something between his teeth he could just not swallow?

Is that your idea of joke, or were you trying to be rude?

I thought it was funny. Undecided

Don't abase yourself to the level of those bigots on OzPol, Set. You're better than that, aren't you?

Are you saying me making jokes about genital warts is bigotted against those with them?

No, I'm saying that you're were edging very close to being an 'asshole'.

Why use the word bigot then? Can only bigots be arseholes? Are arseholes always bigots?

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Reply #293 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:57pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:55pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:51pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:42pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:40pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:47pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:46pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:42pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:41pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:33pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:21pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:15pm:

That's not true but I can't think of a way to prove that bar that looking it up yourself would show it. Whether something is "typically unwelcome" without clarifying what that meant when the definition of aberration is the same whether it is typical or not is the point.

So, how do you explain that homosexuality occurs naturally if it is not normal?

That is occurs naturally does not discount it is aberrant. Should I make a list of things that occur in our species that you would consider aberrant? Would that help you understand what I'm saying or would you then try and say that I am trying to derail or make equivocations?

Please do.

Cancers are an aberration, genetic defects, xxy and xyy are genetic aberrations. Is cannibalism aberrant? Child marriage? Slavery? Beating one's wife? Slicing up your child's genitals? These are all things that have occurred naturally in human societies and were not an aberration to those people. So have war, bestiality, torture.

All of these are aberrant, they are not the norm. They do happen and quite often they are unwelcome. Now don't turn around and say I am equivocating. I don't equal what someone does in their own home by choice as all or any of the above, I do say it's ab aberration.

Look, I get what you're saying, and I can't explain why but I don't think that homosexuality is an aberration. I think it's quite normal. That is my view.

Homosexuality is an aberration by definition "usually unwelcome", ie "not always", matters not. I guess you don't want to accept that. I can and I couldn't care what they do. Not my business.

We can sit here at impasse with my queen and bishop eyeing your king all night, but you know I'm right.

I don't think you're right. I don't believe it's an aberration. I believe that it's completely normal.

Call it doublethink - call it lunancy - call it whatever you like. That is what I believe.

If it was normal, we'd all be doing it. Well most of us.

Let's agree to disagree on this one. I believe it's normal; you don't. Diversity of opinion.

I believe it's natural, not normal which is why I picked up your your use of aberrant.

Actually, let's explore this further. The key subtlety of aberrant is 'unwelcome'. You mentioned cancer before as an aberration. Yes, cancer is unwelcome, but homosexuality is welcome, at least in Australia and some countries.

Therefore, homosexuality is not an aberration.

Big call ... I think a more apt descriptor would be tolerated.

It's certainly not "welcomed".

So, more than 60% of Australians welcomed it in the vote, whether you liked or it not.

You abuse & misuse the use of the words "welcome, welcomes, welcomed".

And you misuse words in general.

Shocked

Not the ones I use adjectively to you.

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Reply #294 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:58pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:56pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:55pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:54pm:

Oh bs ... f*#k off Roll Eyes

If it was so welcome we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Oh? I didn't realise that OzPol represented the majority opinion of Australia?

And you do I take it? Grin

Read your previous comment and you'll have your answer.

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Reply #295 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:59pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:57pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:55pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:50pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:47pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:42pm:

So, more than 60% of Australians welcomed it in the vote, whether you liked or it not.

You use this reasoning when it agrees with you but when most of the world disagree you find that not worthy of mention or more precisely, derision of them as not having "good sense" that you have.

What happens in the rest of world has no practical application for homosexuals in Australia.

All you're doing is just equivocating.

Just because you don't like homosexuality, doesn't mean that you're in the majority in Australia.

I couldn't give a stuff about what people do in their bedroom as I've said multiple times. It is an aberration world wide. Just because one country "accepts" it, not "welcomes" it does not make not an aberration, it makes that one or those few countries that do "accept" it aberrant on the global scale.

Universal errors exist, Set; and all those other countries ARE WRONG. Simple as that.

They are wrong in how they deal with it, they are not wrong in that is an aberration, completely natural but an aberration none the less.

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Reply #296 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:59pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:51pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:49pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:41pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:40pm:

Perhaps Auggie's had a bad experience with genital warts and was left with something between his teeth he could just not swallow?

Is that your idea of joke, or were you trying to be rude?

I thought it was funny. Undecided

Don't abase yourself to the level of those bigots on OzPol, Set. You're better than that, aren't you?

Are you saying me making jokes about genital warts is bigotted against those with them?

No, I'm saying that you're were edging very close to being an 'asshole'.

Why use the word bigot then? Can only bigots be arseholes? Are arseholes always bigots?

I thought asshole was a more precise term.

Don't be a asshole, Set.

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Reply #297 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:59pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:59pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:57pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:55pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:50pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:47pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:42pm:

So, more than 60% of Australians welcomed it in the vote, whether you liked or it not.

You use this reasoning when it agrees with you but when most of the world disagree you find that not worthy of mention or more precisely, derision of them as not having "good sense" that you have.

What happens in the rest of world has no practical application for homosexuals in Australia.

All you're doing is just equivocating.

Just because you don't like homosexuality, doesn't mean that you're in the majority in Australia.

I couldn't give a stuff about what people do in their bedroom as I've said multiple times. It is an aberration world wide. Just because one country "accepts" it, not "welcomes" it does not make not an aberration, it makes that one or those few countries that do "accept" it aberrant on the global scale.

Universal errors exist, Set; and all those other countries ARE WRONG. Simple as that.

They are wrond in how they deal with it, they are not wrong in that is an aberration, completely natural but an aberration none the less.

They are wrong in both.

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Reply #298 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 8:01pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:51pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:49pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:41pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:40pm:

Perhaps Auggie's had a bad experience with genital warts and was left with something between his teeth he could just not swallow?

Is that your idea of joke, or were you trying to be rude?

I thought it was funny. Undecided

Don't abase yourself to the level of those bigots on OzPol, Set. You're better than that, aren't you?

Are you saying me making jokes about genital warts is bigotted against those with them?

No, I'm saying that you're were edging very close to being an 'asshole'.

Why use the word bigot then? Can only bigots be arseholes? Are arseholes always bigots?

The use of bigot, racist, xenophobe, islamaphobe, transphobic etc are all the last resort trot outs people like the smith mothra aberration use when they want to shut down a discussion.

It's rule one in their handbook.

Talkabout arzeholes.

Then again that seems to be the topic at the mo. Grin

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Reply #299 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 8:02pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:58pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:56pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:55pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:54pm:

Oh bs ... f*#k off Roll Eyes

If it was so welcome we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Oh? I didn't realise that OzPol represented the majority opinion of Australia?

And you do I take it? Grin

Read your previous comment and you'll have your answer.

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Reply #300 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 8:02pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 8:01pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:51pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:49pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:41pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:40pm:

Perhaps Auggie's had a bad experience with genital warts and was left with something between his teeth he could just not swallow?

Is that your idea of joke, or were you trying to be rude?

I thought it was funny. Undecided

Don't abase yourself to the level of those bigots on OzPol, Set. You're better than that, aren't you?

Are you saying me making jokes about genital warts is bigotted against those with them?

No, I'm saying that you're were edging very close to being an 'asshole'.

Why use the word bigot then? Can only bigots be arseholes? Are arseholes always bigots?

The use of bigot, racist, xenophobe, islamaphobe, transphobic etc are all the last resort trot outs people like the smith mothra aberration use when they want to shut down a discussion.

It's rule one in their handbook.

Talkabout arzeholes.

Then again that seems to be the topic at the mo. Grin

I'm not shutting anyone down.

I'm still hearing your mouth running

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Reply #301 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 8:03pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:59pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:59pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:57pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:55pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:50pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:47pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:42pm:

So, more than 60% of Australians welcomed it in the vote, whether you liked or it not.

You use this reasoning when it agrees with you but when most of the world disagree you find that not worthy of mention or more precisely, derision of them as not having "good sense" that you have.

What happens in the rest of world has no practical application for homosexuals in Australia.

All you're doing is just equivocating.

Just because you don't like homosexuality, doesn't mean that you're in the majority in Australia.

I couldn't give a stuff about what people do in their bedroom as I've said multiple times. It is an aberration world wide. Just because one country "accepts" it, not "welcomes" it does not make not an aberration, it makes that one or those few countries that do "accept" it aberrant on the global scale.

Universal errors exist, Set; and all those other countries ARE WRONG. Simple as that.

They are wrond in how they deal with it, they are not wrong in that is an aberration, completely natural but an aberration none the less.

They are wrong in both.

Something not normal in a population is an aberration. You are wrong because you fail to recognise that. I am right because I accept that and agree it it a natural predisposition. You will continue to be wrong until you at least come to that point. Repeating something over and over may convince you but we have words that are meant to express certain meanings and homosexuality is aberrant.

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Reply #302 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 8:09pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:51pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:49pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:41pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:40pm:

Perhaps Auggie's had a bad experience with genital warts and was left with something between his teeth he could just not swallow?

Is that your idea of joke, or were you trying to be rude?

I thought it was funny. Undecided

Don't abase yourself to the level of those bigots on OzPol, Set. You're better than that, aren't you?

Are you saying me making jokes about genital warts is bigotted against those with them?

No, I'm saying that you're were edging very close to being an 'asshole'.

Why use the word bigot then? Can only bigots be arseholes? Are arseholes always bigots?

While I can not think of a bigot who wasn't an arsehole I do suspect that it is feasible - it could happen.

In terms of arseholes biggotism is close to being one of many subsets belonging to the classification, many arseholes are not bigots.

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Reply #303 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 8:44pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:59pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:51pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:49pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:41pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:40pm:

Perhaps Auggie's had a bad experience with genital warts and was left with something between his teeth he could just not swallow?

Is that your idea of joke, or were you trying to be rude?

I thought it was funny. Undecided

Don't abase yourself to the level of those bigots on OzPol, Set. You're better than that, aren't you?

Are you saying me making jokes about genital warts is bigotted against those with them?

No, I'm saying that you're were edging very close to being an 'asshole'.

Why use the word bigot then? Can only bigots be arseholes? Are arseholes always bigots?

I thought asshole was a more precise term.

Don't be a asshole, Set.

You're not my mum, M and I'm a big boy now.

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Reply #304 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 9:50pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 8:44pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:59pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:51pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:49pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:41pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:40pm:

Perhaps Auggie's had a bad experience with genital warts and was left with something between his teeth he could just not swallow?

Is that your idea of joke, or were you trying to be rude?

I thought it was funny. Undecided

Don't abase yourself to the level of those bigots on OzPol, Set. You're better than that, aren't you?

Are you saying me making jokes about genital warts is bigotted against those with them?

No, I'm saying that you're were edging very close to being an 'asshole'.

Why use the word bigot then? Can only bigots be arseholes? Are arseholes always bigots?

I thought asshole was a more precise term.

Don't be a asshole, Set.

You're not my mum, M and I'm a big boy now.

What a shame you don't act like one... Roll Eyes

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Reply #305 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 9:52pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:51pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:49pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:41pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:40pm:

Perhaps Auggie's had a bad experience with genital warts and was left with something between his teeth he could just not swallow?

Is that your idea of joke, or were you trying to be rude?

I thought it was funny. Undecided

Don't abase yourself to the level of those bigots on OzPol, Set. You're better than that, aren't you?

Are you saying me making jokes about genital warts is bigotted against those with them?

No, I'm saying that you're were edging very close to being an 'asshole'.

Why use the word bigot then? Can only bigots be arseholes? Are arseholes always bigots?

While I can not think of a bigot who wasn't an arsehole I do suspect that it is feasible - it could happen.

In terms of arseholes biggotism is close to being one of many subsets belonging to the classification, many arseholes are not bigots.

Bigotry is like arseholes - everyone's got one.... including the arse bandits.... some of whom I know as friends.....

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Reply #307 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 9:58pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:47pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:44pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:34pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:47pm:

I believe it's natural, not normal which is why I picked up your your use of aberrant.

Actually, let's explore this further. The key subtlety of aberrant is 'unwelcome'. You mentioned cancer before as an aberration. Yes, cancer is unwelcome, but homosexuality is welcome, at least in Australia and some countries.

Therefore, homosexuality is not an aberration.

I don't agree with your "key subtlety" position. I think you will find it's unwelcome in more countries than it is welcome. It's another aberration from the norm that those few countries out of all the countries in the world welcome it.

Well, we're talking about people of good sense here, aren't we, Set? I couldn't really give two hoots if it's outlawed in the majority of countries; those laws are wrong.

And no, you don't agree with the 'key subtlety' position. You purposely omitted it from your original definition, and seem to be back-pedalling.

Oh, back pedalling, where have I heard that before, hmmm. I have explained that more than enough, "usually is not always". I'm not going into a debate about "good sense" as you seem absolutely certain you have "good sense" but others that disagree do not. That's not a good basis for a discussion.

What the hell are you talking about?

Homosexuality is welcome in Australia.

The word is tolerated... I have 'gay' relatives and the general idea is :- "Oh, well - can't change them - so just accept them as they are."

Perhaps you could define the twin terms 'acceptance' and 'tolerance'..... just for we Great Unwashed......

We, as Australians, accept Muslims - we just don't tolerate them as radical fools with a half brain....

......we coddle our Kaffirs by chucking them under the chin and saying :-

"All right... did-ums.. you can have Ayers Rock as a sacred place.. just don't cry any more about what you never had and never used in any genuine spiritual sense.. we just can't stand to see children beings cry.....now no more glasses of water before you go to sleep...."

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Reply #308 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 10:01pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 9:58pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:47pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:44pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:34pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 9:47pm:

I believe it's natural, not normal which is why I picked up your your use of aberrant.

Actually, let's explore this further. The key subtlety of aberrant is 'unwelcome'. You mentioned cancer before as an aberration. Yes, cancer is unwelcome, but homosexuality is welcome, at least in Australia and some countries.

Therefore, homosexuality is not an aberration.

I don't agree with your "key subtlety" position. I think you will find it's unwelcome in more countries than it is welcome. It's another aberration from the norm that those few countries out of all the countries in the world welcome it.

Well, we're talking about people of good sense here, aren't we, Set? I couldn't really give two hoots if it's outlawed in the majority of countries; those laws are wrong.

And no, you don't agree with the 'key subtlety' position. You purposely omitted it from your original definition, and seem to be back-pedalling.

Oh, back pedalling, where have I heard that before, hmmm. I have explained that more than enough, "usually is not always". I'm not going into a debate about "good sense" as you seem absolutely certain you have "good sense" but others that disagree do not. That's not a good basis for a discussion.

What the hell are you talking about?

Homosexuality is welcome in Australia.

The word is tolerated... I have 'gay' relatives and the general idea is :- "Oh, well - can't change them - so just accept them as they are."

Perhaps you could define the twin terms 'acceptance' and 'tolerance'..... just for we Great Unwashed......

We, as Australians, accept Muslims - we just don't tolerate them as radical fools with a half brain....

......we coddle our Kaffirs by chucking them under the chin and saying :-

"All right... did-ums.. you can have Ayers Rock as a sacred place.. just don't cry any more about what you never had and never used in any genuine spiritual sense.. we just can't stand to see children beings cry.....now no more glasses of water before you go to sleep...."

Why would you want them to change??

"Oh, well he's black, he can't change - so just accept them as they are."

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Reply #310 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 10:26pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 9:50pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 8:44pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:59pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:51pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:49pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:41pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:40pm:

Perhaps Auggie's had a bad experience with genital warts and was left with something between his teeth he could just not swallow?

Is that your idea of joke, or were you trying to be rude?

I thought it was funny. Undecided

Don't abase yourself to the level of those bigots on OzPol, Set. You're better than that, aren't you?

Are you saying me making jokes about genital warts is bigotted against those with them?

No, I'm saying that you're were edging very close to being an 'asshole'.

Why use the word bigot then? Can only bigots be arseholes? Are arseholes always bigots?

I thought asshole was a more precise term.

Don't be a asshole, Set.

You're not my mum, M and I'm a big boy now.

What a shame you don't act like one... Roll Eyes

If you meant I'm not "big boy now" and i don't behave like one, please express why. Taking a snide "oh what a shame" only shows your lack of specificity of my transgressions. Man up and tell me. I would on my side say you behave like a little girl in your ability in dealing with things that may make you want to cry and this forum is drenched with your tears and the rolling of your eyes to hide them.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 80265 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: What happened to the same sex marriage boom? Reply #311 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 10:34pm Again - nobody demands that they change - they demand that we do.......
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 10:34pm:

Again - nobody demands that they change - they demand that we do.......

No, no Grap SJWs are nothing like that. They are the heart of mankind, the conscience. Anything else is evil and to be sent to hell, get with it or burned you will be. All in love mind. Greater good, means to an end and all that. It's a holy crusade, join in, fast track to virtue signalling and freedom! Well from thinking for yourself.

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Reply #313 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:21pm

What exactly prevents gays from carrying on their own chosen lifestyle... and what exactly prevents Aboriginals from carrying in their 'traditional pursuits' on any given parcel of land?

My reason for asking this is quite simple:- since nobody is asking that these (and other groups such as feminists, Muslims etc) change their way of life to suit - by what right to these groups demand that the majority of people in this nation change to suit them?

Newcastle University is about to introduce special toilets for those who view themselves as 'gender insubstantial' or whatever - at what point does catering to 0.01% of the population become a demand that the other 99.99% change to suit them?

And in that case - who is the 'aggressor' in demanding change?

Toilets is toilets... men and women and disabled and change rooms for kids.

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Reply #314 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 8:02am

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 8:02pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 8:01pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:51pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:49pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:41pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:40pm:

Perhaps Auggie's had a bad experience with genital warts and was left with something between his teeth he could just not swallow?

Is that your idea of joke, or were you trying to be rude?

I thought it was funny. Undecided

Don't abase yourself to the level of those bigots on OzPol, Set. You're better than that, aren't you?

Are you saying me making jokes about genital warts is bigotted against those with them?

No, I'm saying that you're were edging very close to being an 'asshole'.

Why use the word bigot then? Can only bigots be arseholes? Are arseholes always bigots?

The use of bigot, racist, xenophobe, islamaphobe, transphobic etc are all the last resort trot outs people like the smith mothra aberration use when they want to shut down a discussion.

It's rule one in their handbook.

Talkabout arzeholes.

Then again that seems to be the topic at the mo. Grin

I'm not shutting anyone down.

I'm still hearing your mouth running

You can talk ... you even had proxies running your gob in here.

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Reply #315 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 8:06am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:21pm:

What exactly prevents gays from carrying on their own chosen lifestyle... and what exactly prevents Aboriginals from carrying in their 'traditional pursuits' on any given parcel of land?

My reason for asking this is quite simple:- since nobody is asking that these (and other groups such as feminists, Muslims etc) change their way of life to suit - by what right to these groups demand that the majority of people in this nation change to suit them?

Newcastle University is about to introduce special toilets for those who view themselves as 'gender insubstantial' or whatever - at what point does catering to 0.01% of the population become a demand that the other 99.99% change to suit them?

And in that case - who is the 'aggressor' in demanding change?

Toilets is toilets... men and women and disabled and change rooms for kids.

Precisely.

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Reply #318 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 2:11pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 8:06am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:21pm:

What exactly prevents gays from carrying on their own chosen lifestyle... and what exactly prevents Aboriginals from carrying in their 'traditional pursuits' on any given parcel of land?

My reason for asking this is quite simple:- since nobody is asking that these (and other groups such as feminists, Muslims etc) change their way of life to suit - by what right to these groups demand that the majority of people in this nation change to suit them?

Newcastle University is about to introduce special toilets for those who view themselves as 'gender insubstantial' or whatever - at what point does catering to 0.01% of the population become a demand that the other 99.99% change to suit them?

And in that case - who is the 'aggressor' in demanding change?

Toilets is toilets... men and women and disabled and change rooms for kids.

Precisely.

yes... my main argument was always changing society for a handful of people is wrong. Cheesy

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Reply #320 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:04pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 2:11pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 8:06am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:21pm:

What exactly prevents gays from carrying on their own chosen lifestyle... and what exactly prevents Aboriginals from carrying in their 'traditional pursuits' on any given parcel of land?

My reason for asking this is quite simple:- since nobody is asking that these (and other groups such as feminists, Muslims etc) change their way of life to suit - by what right to these groups demand that the majority of people in this nation change to suit them?

Newcastle University is about to introduce special toilets for those who view themselves as 'gender insubstantial' or whatever - at what point does catering to 0.01% of the population become a demand that the other 99.99% change to suit them?

And in that case - who is the 'aggressor' in demanding change?

Toilets is toilets... men and women and disabled and change rooms for kids.

Precisely.

yes... my main argument was always changing society for a handful of people is wrong. Cheesy

Why is that wrong??

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Reply #321 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:06pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:21pm:

What exactly prevents gays from carrying on their own chosen lifestyle... and what exactly prevents Aboriginals from carrying in their 'traditional pursuits' on any given parcel of land?

My reason for asking this is quite simple:- since nobody is asking that these (and other groups such as feminists, Muslims etc) change their way of life to suit - by what right to these groups demand that the majority of people in this nation change to suit them?

Newcastle University is about to introduce special toilets for those who view themselves as 'gender insubstantial' or whatever - at what point does catering to 0.01% of the population become a demand that the other 99.99% change to suit them?

And in that case - who is the 'aggressor' in demanding change?

Toilets is toilets... men and women and disabled and change rooms for kids.

If a private company wants to introduce special toilets for cisgendered people, why do you care? Are they forcing you to use that toilet??

Give me a break, Grap. You're an asshat.

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Reply #322 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:06pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 8:06am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:21pm:

What exactly prevents gays from carrying on their own chosen lifestyle... and what exactly prevents Aboriginals from carrying in their 'traditional pursuits' on any given parcel of land?

My reason for asking this is quite simple:- since nobody is asking that these (and other groups such as feminists, Muslims etc) change their way of life to suit - by what right to these groups demand that the majority of people in this nation change to suit them?

Newcastle University is about to introduce special toilets for those who view themselves as 'gender insubstantial' or whatever - at what point does catering to 0.01% of the population become a demand that the other 99.99% change to suit them?

And in that case - who is the 'aggressor' in demanding change?

Toilets is toilets... men and women and disabled and change rooms for kids.

Precisely.

Another asshat.

Why do you care if a business chooses to spend its financial resources on additional toilets for people?

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Reply #323 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:14pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:21pm:

What exactly prevents gays from carrying on their own chosen lifestyle... and what exactly prevents Aboriginals from carrying in their 'traditional pursuits' on any given parcel of land?

My reason for asking this is quite simple:- since nobody is asking that these (and other groups such as feminists, Muslims etc) change their way of life to suit - by what right to these groups demand that the majority of people in this nation change to suit them?

Newcastle University is about to introduce special toilets for those who view themselves as 'gender insubstantial' or whatever - at what point does catering to 0.01% of the population become a demand that the other 99.99% change to suit them?

And in that case - who is the 'aggressor' in demanding change?

Toilets is toilets... men and women and disabled and change rooms for kids.

my daughter puts up with one who comes to work dressed in mens clothing then changes into females clothing in the female toilets......the females in the workplace were not asked they were told that was the case...not only that they are also told not to look at this person.... Roll Eyes

.. I think them having their own special place is not a bad idea......it does seem to me to be the male trying to be female that is the problem...... or do the females becoming males have the same probs????>.. Roll Eyes

I am in nomansland on this one..

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Reply #324 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:15pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:06pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:21pm:

What exactly prevents gays from carrying on their own chosen lifestyle... and what exactly prevents Aboriginals from carrying in their 'traditional pursuits' on any given parcel of land?

My reason for asking this is quite simple:- since nobody is asking that these (and other groups such as feminists, Muslims etc) change their way of life to suit - by what right to these groups demand that the majority of people in this nation change to suit them?

Newcastle University is about to introduce special toilets for those who view themselves as 'gender insubstantial' or whatever - at what point does catering to 0.01% of the population become a demand that the other 99.99% change to suit them?

And in that case - who is the 'aggressor' in demanding change?

Toilets is toilets... men and women and disabled and change rooms for kids.

If a private company wants to introduce special toilets for cisgendered people, why do you care? Are they forcing you to use that toilet??

Give me a break, Grap. You're an asshat.

is Newcastle Uni a Privately owned company mothra????...

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Reply #325 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:18pm

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:14pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:21pm:

What exactly prevents gays from carrying on their own chosen lifestyle... and what exactly prevents Aboriginals from carrying in their 'traditional pursuits' on any given parcel of land?

My reason for asking this is quite simple:- since nobody is asking that these (and other groups such as feminists, Muslims etc) change their way of life to suit - by what right to these groups demand that the majority of people in this nation change to suit them?

Newcastle University is about to introduce special toilets for those who view themselves as 'gender insubstantial' or whatever - at what point does catering to 0.01% of the population become a demand that the other 99.99% change to suit them?

And in that case - who is the 'aggressor' in demanding change?

Toilets is toilets... men and women and disabled and change rooms for kids.

my daughter puts up with one who comes to work dressed in mens clothing then changes into females clothing in the female toilets......the females in the workplace were not asked they were told that was the case...not only that they are also told not to look at this person.... Roll Eyes

.. I think them having their own special place is not a bad idea......it does seem to me to be the male trying to be female that is the problem...... or do the females becoming males have the same probs????>.. Roll Eyes

I am in nomansland on this one..

Ok, so in that situation, I can kind of appreciate your perspective. Perhaps that person, if he is a man should do in the cubicle, or go to the men's bathroom.

To me, this issue is 'private parts'. I suspect that most people don't care about cross-dressers; the issue is that people don't want to expose their private parts to the opposite sex.

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Reply #326 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:19pm

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:15pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:06pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:21pm:

What exactly prevents gays from carrying on their own chosen lifestyle... and what exactly prevents Aboriginals from carrying in their 'traditional pursuits' on any given parcel of land?

My reason for asking this is quite simple:- since nobody is asking that these (and other groups such as feminists, Muslims etc) change their way of life to suit - by what right to these groups demand that the majority of people in this nation change to suit them?

Newcastle University is about to introduce special toilets for those who view themselves as 'gender insubstantial' or whatever - at what point does catering to 0.01% of the population become a demand that the other 99.99% change to suit them?

And in that case - who is the 'aggressor' in demanding change?

Toilets is toilets... men and women and disabled and change rooms for kids.

If a private company wants to introduce special toilets for cisgendered people, why do you care? Are they forcing you to use that toilet??

Give me a break, Grap. You're an asshat.

is Newcastle Uni a Privately owned company mothra????...

It doesn't matter whether it is or isn't. If they choose to have additional facilities then why do you care? If they shut down the men's and women's bathrooms, then I would have a problem with that.

Additional facilities don't affect either of us.

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Reply #327 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:20pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:06pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 8:06am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:21pm:

What exactly prevents gays from carrying on their own chosen lifestyle... and what exactly prevents Aboriginals from carrying in their 'traditional pursuits' on any given parcel of land?

My reason for asking this is quite simple:- since nobody is asking that these (and other groups such as feminists, Muslims etc) change their way of life to suit - by what right to these groups demand that the majority of people in this nation change to suit them?

Newcastle University is about to introduce special toilets for those who view themselves as 'gender insubstantial' or whatever - at what point does catering to 0.01% of the population become a demand that the other 99.99% change to suit them?

And in that case - who is the 'aggressor' in demanding change?

Toilets is toilets... men and women and disabled and change rooms for kids.

Precisely.

Another asshat.

Why do you care if a business chooses to spend its financial resources on additional toilets for people?

That's 'craphat' to you, or Mr Craphat.... and the issue wasn't about where they choose to spend money better spent on student education - it was about catering to a tiny minority with too loud a voice - in fact with the only voice in the matter to date.

Now before we move on to changing the English language to suit screeching minorities.....

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Reply #328 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:22pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:20pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:06pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 8:06am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:21pm:

What exactly prevents gays from carrying on their own chosen lifestyle... and what exactly prevents Aboriginals from carrying in their 'traditional pursuits' on any given parcel of land?

My reason for asking this is quite simple:- since nobody is asking that these (and other groups such as feminists, Muslims etc) change their way of life to suit - by what right to these groups demand that the majority of people in this nation change to suit them?

Newcastle University is about to introduce special toilets for those who view themselves as 'gender insubstantial' or whatever - at what point does catering to 0.01% of the population become a demand that the other 99.99% change to suit them?

And in that case - who is the 'aggressor' in demanding change?

Toilets is toilets... men and women and disabled and change rooms for kids.

Precisely.

Another asshat.

Why do you care if a business chooses to spend its financial resources on additional toilets for people?

That's 'craphat' to you, or Mr Craphat.... and the issue wasn't about where they choose to spend money better spent on student education - it was about catering to a tiny minority with too loud a voice - in fact with the only voice in the matter to date.

Now before we move on to changing the English language to suit screeching minorities.....

I still don't understand how this change affects YOU personally??

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Reply #329 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:24pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:18pm:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:14pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:21pm:

What exactly prevents gays from carrying on their own chosen lifestyle... and what exactly prevents Aboriginals from carrying in their 'traditional pursuits' on any given parcel of land?

My reason for asking this is quite simple:- since nobody is asking that these (and other groups such as feminists, Muslims etc) change their way of life to suit - by what right to these groups demand that the majority of people in this nation change to suit them?

Newcastle University is about to introduce special toilets for those who view themselves as 'gender insubstantial' or whatever - at what point does catering to 0.01% of the population become a demand that the other 99.99% change to suit them?

And in that case - who is the 'aggressor' in demanding change?

Toilets is toilets... men and women and disabled and change rooms for kids.

my daughter puts up with one who comes to work dressed in mens clothing then changes into females clothing in the female toilets......the females in the workplace were not asked they were told that was the case...not only that they are also told not to look at this person.... Roll Eyes

.. I think them having their own special place is not a bad idea......it does seem to me to be the male trying to be female that is the problem...... or do the females becoming males have the same probs????>.. Roll Eyes

I am in nomansland on this one..

Ok, so in that situation, I can kind of appreciate your perspective. Perhaps that person, if he is a man should do in the cubicle, or go to the men's bathroom.

To me, this issue is 'private parts'. I suspect that most people don't care about cross-dressers; the issue is that people don't want to expose their private parts to the opposite sex.

Easy then - use the privacy of a cubicle in the rest room that applies to your private parts.. we'll determine gender by which set you have...... Grin

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Reply #330 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:24pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:19pm:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:15pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:06pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:21pm:

What exactly prevents gays from carrying on their own chosen lifestyle... and what exactly prevents Aboriginals from carrying in their 'traditional pursuits' on any given parcel of land?

My reason for asking this is quite simple:- since nobody is asking that these (and other groups such as feminists, Muslims etc) change their way of life to suit - by what right to these groups demand that the majority of people in this nation change to suit them?

Newcastle University is about to introduce special toilets for those who view themselves as 'gender insubstantial' or whatever - at what point does catering to 0.01% of the population become a demand that the other 99.99% change to suit them?

And in that case - who is the 'aggressor' in demanding change?

Toilets is toilets... men and women and disabled and change rooms for kids.

If a private company wants to introduce special toilets for cisgendered people, why do you care? Are they forcing you to use that toilet??

Give me a break, Grap. You're an asshat.

is Newcastle Uni a Privately owned company mothra????...

It doesn't matter whether it is or isn't. If they choose to have additional facilities then why do you care? If they shut down the men's and women's bathrooms, then I would have a problem with that.

Additional facilities don't affect either of us.

its a UNI and we pay for it.. and yes GRAP can have a reason to care....

if it bothers him whats it to you???>..he has every right to speak up....just like you do mothra!

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Reply #332 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:30pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:18pm:

Ok, so in that situation, I can kind of appreciate your perspective. Perhaps that person, if he is a man should do in the cubicle, or go to the men's bathroom.

To me, this issue is 'private parts'. I suspect that most people don't care about cross-dressers; the issue is that people don't want to expose their private parts to the opposite sex

you dont get it??...

this is ONE PERSON in a very large public organisation

and he/she claims discrimination at every turn...

do you not think the ladies asked WHY CANT HE CHANGE IN THE MENS TOILETS.....of course they did..

their answer it is what he/she wants..

he/she asks to be moved from a situation that he.she thinks they are being bullied within the week he is moved.....others are told to suck it up...

these are only small things but their demands are being met at every stage........and it is not making for happy working places.....

we dont look after our disabled as well as we are doing for this group....

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Reply #333 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:31pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:24pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:18pm:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:14pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:21pm:

What exactly prevents gays from carrying on their own chosen lifestyle... and what exactly prevents Aboriginals from carrying in their 'traditional pursuits' on any given parcel of land?

My reason for asking this is quite simple:- since nobody is asking that these (and other groups such as feminists, Muslims etc) change their way of life to suit - by what right to these groups demand that the majority of people in this nation change to suit them?

Newcastle University is about to introduce special toilets for those who view themselves as 'gender insubstantial' or whatever - at what point does catering to 0.01% of the population become a demand that the other 99.99% change to suit them?

And in that case - who is the 'aggressor' in demanding change?

Toilets is toilets... men and women and disabled and change rooms for kids.

my daughter puts up with one who comes to work dressed in mens clothing then changes into females clothing in the female toilets......the females in the workplace were not asked they were told that was the case...not only that they are also told not to look at this person.... Roll Eyes

.. I think them having their own special place is not a bad idea......it does seem to me to be the male trying to be female that is the problem...... or do the females becoming males have the same probs????>.. Roll Eyes

I am in nomansland on this one..

Ok, so in that situation, I can kind of appreciate your perspective. Perhaps that person, if he is a man should do in the cubicle, or go to the men's bathroom.

To me, this issue is 'private parts'. I suspect that most people don't care about cross-dressers; the issue is that people don't want to expose their private parts to the opposite sex.

Easy then - use the privacy of a cubicle in the rest room that applies to your private parts.. we'll determine gender by which set you have...... Grin

Haha, so funny...

That makes no complete sense.

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Reply #334 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:32pm

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:24pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:19pm:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:15pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:06pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:21pm:

What exactly prevents gays from carrying on their own chosen lifestyle... and what exactly prevents Aboriginals from carrying in their 'traditional pursuits' on any given parcel of land?

My reason for asking this is quite simple:- since nobody is asking that these (and other groups such as feminists, Muslims etc) change their way of life to suit - by what right to these groups demand that the majority of people in this nation change to suit them?

Newcastle University is about to introduce special toilets for those who view themselves as 'gender insubstantial' or whatever - at what point does catering to 0.01% of the population become a demand that the other 99.99% change to suit them?

And in that case - who is the 'aggressor' in demanding change?

Toilets is toilets... men and women and disabled and change rooms for kids.

If a private company wants to introduce special toilets for cisgendered people, why do you care? Are they forcing you to use that toilet??

Give me a break, Grap. You're an asshat.

is Newcastle Uni a Privately owned company mothra????...

It doesn't matter whether it is or isn't. If they choose to have additional facilities then why do you care? If they shut down the men's and women's bathrooms, then I would have a problem with that.

Additional facilities don't affect either of us.

its a UNI and we pay for it.. and yes GRAP can have a reason to care....

if it bothers him whats it to you???>..he has every right to speak up....just like you do mothra!

So, should we pay tax in order to fund health care for sick people?

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Reply #335 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:34pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:24pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:18pm:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:14pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:21pm:

What exactly prevents gays from carrying on their own chosen lifestyle... and what exactly prevents Aboriginals from carrying in their 'traditional pursuits' on any given parcel of land?

My reason for asking this is quite simple:- since nobody is asking that these (and other groups such as feminists, Muslims etc) change their way of life to suit - by what right to these groups demand that the majority of people in this nation change to suit them?

Newcastle University is about to introduce special toilets for those who view themselves as 'gender insubstantial' or whatever - at what point does catering to 0.01% of the population become a demand that the other 99.99% change to suit them?

And in that case - who is the 'aggressor' in demanding change?

Toilets is toilets... men and women and disabled and change rooms for kids.

my daughter puts up with one who comes to work dressed in mens clothing then changes into females clothing in the female toilets......the females in the workplace were not asked they were told that was the case...not only that they are also told not to look at this person.... Roll Eyes

.. I think them having their own special place is not a bad idea......it does seem to me to be the male trying to be female that is the problem...... or do the females becoming males have the same probs????>.. Roll Eyes

I am in nomansland on this one..

Ok, so in that situation, I can kind of appreciate your perspective. Perhaps that person, if he is a man should do in the cubicle, or go to the men's bathroom.

To me, this issue is 'private parts'. I suspect that most people don't care about cross-dressers; the issue is that people don't want to expose their private parts to the opposite sex.

Easy then - use the privacy of a cubicle in the rest room that applies to your private parts.. we'll determine gender by which set you have...... Grin

grap really what about air craft????....we all share the one there dont we??... do you think they will want their own special ones on Qantas...

makes me wonder what they do in there... Wink

. I mean the mens toilets have cubicles as well dont they???

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Reply #336 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:34pm

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:30pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:18pm:

Ok, so in that situation, I can kind of appreciate your perspective. Perhaps that person, if he is a man should do in the cubicle, or go to the men's bathroom.

To me, this issue is 'private parts'. I suspect that most people don't care about cross-dressers; the issue is that people don't want to expose their private parts to the opposite sex

you dont get it??...

this is ONE PERSON in a very large public organisation

and he/she claims discrimination at every turn...

do you not think the ladies asked WHY CANT HE CHANGE IN THE MENS TOILETS.....of course they did..

their answer it is what he/she wants..

he/she asks to be moved from a situation that he.she thinks they are being bullied within the week he is moved.....others are told to suck it up...

these are only small things but their demands are being met at every stage........and it is not making for happy working places.....

we dont look after our disabled as well as we are doing for this group....

I think that if enough women expressed their discontent, then change could be made. Look, I don't have an answer for this; it's a complicated issue.

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Reply #337 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:40pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:32pm:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:24pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:19pm:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:15pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:06pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:21pm:

What exactly prevents gays from carrying on their own chosen lifestyle... and what exactly prevents Aboriginals from carrying in their 'traditional pursuits' on any given parcel of land?

My reason for asking this is quite simple:- since nobody is asking that these (and other groups such as feminists, Muslims etc) change their way of life to suit - by what right to these groups demand that the majority of people in this nation change to suit them?

Newcastle University is about to introduce special toilets for those who view themselves as 'gender insubstantial' or whatever - at what point does catering to 0.01% of the population become a demand that the other 99.99% change to suit them?

And in that case - who is the 'aggressor' in demanding change?

Toilets is toilets... men and women and disabled and change rooms for kids.

If a private company wants to introduce special toilets for cisgendered people, why do you care? Are they forcing you to use that toilet??

Give me a break, Grap. You're an asshat.

is Newcastle Uni a Privately owned company mothra????...

It doesn't matter whether it is or isn't. If they choose to have additional facilities then why do you care? If they shut down the men's and women's bathrooms, then I would have a problem with that.

Additional facilities don't affect either of us.

its a UNI and we pay for it.. and yes GRAP can have a reason to care....

if it bothers him whats it to you???>..he has every right to speak up....just like you do mothra!

So, should we pay tax in order to fund health care for sick people?

No - we should pay tax in order to build special toilets for sick people.....

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Reply #338 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:43pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:40pm:

No - we should pay tax in order to build special toilets for sick people.....

grap we already have they are called disabled toilets.....room for a wheelchair....

however we can and should do a lot more we pay enough tax its how its spent that you have every right to be annoyed about....

I mean how does Newcastle Uni, know they will get trangender students in every year????..

will they sit idle for the most part... Cheesy

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Reply #339 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:43pm

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:34pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:24pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:18pm:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:14pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:21pm:

What exactly prevents gays from carrying on their own chosen lifestyle... and what exactly prevents Aboriginals from carrying in their 'traditional pursuits' on any given parcel of land?

My reason for asking this is quite simple:- since nobody is asking that these (and other groups such as feminists, Muslims etc) change their way of life to suit - by what right to these groups demand that the majority of people in this nation change to suit them?

Newcastle University is about to introduce special toilets for those who view themselves as 'gender insubstantial' or whatever - at what point does catering to 0.01% of the population become a demand that the other 99.99% change to suit them?

And in that case - who is the 'aggressor' in demanding change?

Toilets is toilets... men and women and disabled and change rooms for kids.

my daughter puts up with one who comes to work dressed in mens clothing then changes into females clothing in the female toilets......the females in the workplace were not asked they were told that was the case...not only that they are also told not to look at this person.... Roll Eyes

.. I think them having their own special place is not a bad idea......it does seem to me to be the male trying to be female that is the problem...... or do the females becoming males have the same probs????>.. Roll Eyes

I am in nomansland on this one..

Ok, so in that situation, I can kind of appreciate your perspective. Perhaps that person, if he is a man should do in the cubicle, or go to the men's bathroom.

To me, this issue is 'private parts'. I suspect that most people don't care about cross-dressers; the issue is that people don't want to expose their private parts to the opposite sex.

Easy then - use the privacy of a cubicle in the rest room that applies to your private parts.. we'll determine gender by which set you have...... Grin

grap really what about air craft????....we all share the one there dont we??... do you think they will want their own special ones on Qantas...

makes me wonder what they do in there... Wink

. I mean the mens toilets have cubicles as well dont they???

Aircraft have a view proof locked door.... not quite the same as an open facility.... I suppose the odd bods could just lock themselves in a closet .. sorry ... cubicle... and nobody would give a damn...

It is their endless screeching for special privileges that is creating the problems, otherwise nobody would give a damn .. I repeat.. it is not the Silenced Majority that is causing the problems and disputes - it is the Screeching Minorities ....... and no - a woman equipped with men's equipment may not use the female toilets... custom forbids....

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Reply #340 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:45pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:40pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:32pm:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:24pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:19pm:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:15pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:06pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:21pm:

What exactly prevents gays from carrying on their own chosen lifestyle... and what exactly prevents Aboriginals from carrying in their 'traditional pursuits' on any given parcel of land?

My reason for asking this is quite simple:- since nobody is asking that these (and other groups such as feminists, Muslims etc) change their way of life to suit - by what right to these groups demand that the majority of people in this nation change to suit them?

Newcastle University is about to introduce special toilets for those who view themselves as 'gender insubstantial' or whatever - at what point does catering to 0.01% of the population become a demand that the other 99.99% change to suit them?

And in that case - who is the 'aggressor' in demanding change?

Toilets is toilets... men and women and disabled and change rooms for kids.

If a private company wants to introduce special toilets for cisgendered people, why do you care? Are they forcing you to use that toilet??

Give me a break, Grap. You're an asshat.

is Newcastle Uni a Privately owned company mothra????...

It doesn't matter whether it is or isn't. If they choose to have additional facilities then why do you care? If they shut down the men's and women's bathrooms, then I would have a problem with that.

Additional facilities don't affect either of us.

its a UNI and we pay for it.. and yes GRAP can have a reason to care....

if it bothers him whats it to you???>..he has every right to speak up....just like you do mothra!

So, should we pay tax in order to fund health care for sick people?

No - we should pay tax in order to build special toilets for sick people.....

So, should the majority have the power to shut down and discriminate a minority?

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Reply #341 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:47pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:34pm:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:30pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:18pm:

Ok, so in that situation, I can kind of appreciate your perspective. Perhaps that person, if he is a man should do in the cubicle, or go to the men's bathroom.

To me, this issue is 'private parts'. I suspect that most people don't care about cross-dressers; the issue is that people don't want to expose their private parts to the opposite sex

you dont get it??...

this is ONE PERSON in a very large public organisation

and he/she claims discrimination at every turn...

do you not think the ladies asked WHY CANT HE CHANGE IN THE MENS TOILETS.....of course they did..

their answer it is what he/she wants..

he/she asks to be moved from a situation that he.she thinks they are being bullied within the week he is moved.....others are told to suck it up...

these are only small things but their demands are being met at every stage........and it is not making for happy working places.....

we dont look after our disabled as well as we are doing for this group....

I think that if enough women expressed their discontent, then change could be made. Look, I don't have an answer for this; it's a complicated issue.

it comes down to discrimination.....ther is an act I believe and this is only one govt dept.... Roll Eyes

no one is asking for an answer....because by the look of things there isnt one....for instance how do we know they are transgender what is the difference between them and a cross dresser??....or!!!! ok shoot me!

a pervert?

didnt we have a male putting cameras in ladies toilets not that long ago????...

?????????

we should have the right to ask where the hell is this going?

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Reply #342 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:48pm

I'd hate to go to uni these days with all this insanity forced on students...

'sailing upon the good ship He

(Person)

sperus using a fuel injected

(sexist reference to genitalia function)

the Captain

(Command Person)

ordered

(imbalance of personal power)

women and children first

(derogatory comment on capabilities of women and treatment of children as vassals)

into the lifeboats ....

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Reply #343 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:49pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:45pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:40pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:32pm:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:24pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:19pm:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:15pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:06pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:21pm:

What exactly prevents gays from carrying on their own chosen lifestyle... and what exactly prevents Aboriginals from carrying in their 'traditional pursuits' on any given parcel of land?

My reason for asking this is quite simple:- since nobody is asking that these (and other groups such as feminists, Muslims etc) change their way of life to suit - by what right to these groups demand that the majority of people in this nation change to suit them?

Newcastle University is about to introduce special toilets for those who view themselves as 'gender insubstantial' or whatever - at what point does catering to 0.01% of the population become a demand that the other 99.99% change to suit them?

And in that case - who is the 'aggressor' in demanding change?

Toilets is toilets... men and women and disabled and change rooms for kids.

If a private company wants to introduce special toilets for cisgendered people, why do you care? Are they forcing you to use that toilet??

Give me a break, Grap. You're an asshat.

is Newcastle Uni a Privately owned company mothra????...

It doesn't matter whether it is or isn't. If they choose to have additional facilities then why do you care? If they shut down the men's and women's bathrooms, then I would have a problem with that.

Additional facilities don't affect either of us.

its a UNI and we pay for it.. and yes GRAP can have a reason to care....

if it bothers him whats it to you???>..he has every right to speak up....just like you do mothra!

So, should we pay tax in order to fund health care for sick people?

No - we should pay tax in order to build special toilets for sick people.....

So, should the majority have the power to shut down and discriminate a minority?

So now it's discrimination to use the toilets that apply to your gender paraphernalia? Might as well say it's discrimination/persecution/oppression to require a full face photo on passport for a Muslim ....

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Reply #344 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:51pm

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:47pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:34pm:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:30pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:18pm:

Ok, so in that situation, I can kind of appreciate your perspective. Perhaps that person, if he is a man should do in the cubicle, or go to the men's bathroom.

To me, this issue is 'private parts'. I suspect that most people don't care about cross-dressers; the issue is that people don't want to expose their private parts to the opposite sex

you dont get it??...

this is ONE PERSON in a very large public organisation

and he/she claims discrimination at every turn...

do you not think the ladies asked WHY CANT HE CHANGE IN THE MENS TOILETS.....of course they did..

their answer it is what he/she wants..

he/she asks to be moved from a situation that he.she thinks they are being bullied within the week he is moved.....others are told to suck it up...

these are only small things but their demands are being met at every stage........and it is not making for happy working places.....

we dont look after our disabled as well as we are doing for this group....

I think that if enough women expressed their discontent, then change could be made. Look, I don't have an answer for this; it's a complicated issue.

it comes down to discrimination.....ther is an act I believe and this is only one govt dept.... Roll Eyes

no one is asking for an answer....because by the look of things there isnt one....for instance how do we know they are transgender what is the difference between them and a cross dresser??....or!!!! ok shoot me!

a pervert?

didnt we have a male putting cameras in ladies toilets not that long ago????...

?????????

we should have the right to ask where the hell is this going?

I don't know what the answer is, cods. It's a complicated issue. Hopefully that organisation can find a way to resolve this issue.

I think that the 'reasonable adjustment' rule should apply. That what's happens with people with disabilities. Businesses aren't required to go head over heels to accommodate disabled people. I think this will eventually morph into that.

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Reply #345 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:53pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:49pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:45pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:40pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:32pm:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:24pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:19pm:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:15pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:06pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:21pm:

What exactly prevents gays from carrying on their own chosen lifestyle... and what exactly prevents Aboriginals from carrying in their 'traditional pursuits' on any given parcel of land?

My reason for asking this is quite simple:- since nobody is asking that these (and other groups such as feminists, Muslims etc) change their way of life to suit - by what right to these groups demand that the majority of people in this nation change to suit them?

Newcastle University is about to introduce special toilets for those who view themselves as 'gender insubstantial' or whatever - at what point does catering to 0.01% of the population become a demand that the other 99.99% change to suit them?

And in that case - who is the 'aggressor' in demanding change?

Toilets is toilets... men and women and disabled and change rooms for kids.

If a private company wants to introduce special toilets for cisgendered people, why do you care? Are they forcing you to use that toilet??

Give me a break, Grap. You're an asshat.

is Newcastle Uni a Privately owned company mothra????...

It doesn't matter whether it is or isn't. If they choose to have additional facilities then why do you care? If they shut down the men's and women's bathrooms, then I would have a problem with that.

Additional facilities don't affect either of us.

its a UNI and we pay for it.. and yes GRAP can have a reason to care....

if it bothers him whats it to you???>..he has every right to speak up....just like you do mothra!

So, should we pay tax in order to fund health care for sick people?

No - we should pay tax in order to build special toilets for sick people.....

So, should the majority have the power to shut down and discriminate a minority?

So now it's discrimination to use the toilets that apply to your gender paraphernalia? Might as well say it's discrimination/persecution/oppression to require a full face photo on passport for a Muslim ....

Again, you didn't answer the question. I'm talking about from a general point of view.

Should the majority have the right to shut down and discriminate against any minority?

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