You're right Grendel.  "God' must be male. Has to be.  We won't have any of this new fangled rubbish about a female being able to impregnate a married virgin woman.  Nah, just not on.

Aussie wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 4:52pm:


Married? Perhaps you meant unmarried.

Aussie =  Shoot self in foot...  every single time.

Mary was a 1st-century BC Galilean Jewish woman of Nazareth, and the mother of Jesus, according to the New Testament and the Quran. The gospels of Matthew and Luke in the New Testament and the Quran describe Mary as a virgin; according to Christian teaching she conceived Jesus while a virgin, through the Holy Spirit. The miraculous conception took place when she was already betrothed to Joseph.

Setanta wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 5:56pm:


No, I meant 'married' as the term was then understood.

Setanta wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 7:27pm:


Yes.......there are all sorts of ways they try to explain away the fact that 'God' snuck in while Joseph was at work.....and Mary way 'betrothed/espoused' to Joseph.

Let's stop beating around the bush.  My view is clear.

Jesus was not beget by God.  The whole story is crap.  Makes zero practical sense, and.....what is that expression......something about falsifiable?

Setanta wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 7:57pm:


I'm not a spoon feeder for infants. 

I hope that people of sound mind can work it out without me hammering them with a blunt object.  You do the same.....quite often with your cryptic comments.

Aussie wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 7:21pm:

No it didn't....

There were three states of a marriage in the Bible:

        Stage 1: signing the "ketubbah" contract (Creating the marriage bond)

                                                              i.      The bride would chose her husband and her father would sign a legal contract with him called a "ketubbah".

                                                            ii.      Once this is signed the couple is 100% married but do not have sex yet.

                                                            iii.      Young children were often married, (arraigned marriage) but did not consummate until of age.

        Stage 2: The "chuppah": sexual consummation.

                                                              i.      Up to 7 years later, the groom is able to raise the money as set out in the ketubbah contract and notifies the father of the bride, who then sets a date to consummate the marriage at the bride's home.

                                                            ii.      The bride waits with her maidens, for the arrival of the groom and his companions.

                                                          iii.      The couple enters the chuppah room and consummates the marriage while the companions of the bride and groom wait and celebrate outside or in the next room.

                                                           iv.      The groom hands the bloodied "proof of virginity cloth" to the witnesses chosen by the bride's parents, who then give it to the bride for safekeeping.

        Stage 3: The wedding feast

                                                              i.      After consummation, the entire wedding party walks to the house of the groom in a procession for a wedding feast.

                                                            ii.      At the conclusion of the wedding feast, the couple has completed the ancient ritual of marriage.

Confusion over Jewish Betrothal: When the groom and the father of the bride signed the ketubbah, the couple was 100% legally married.

  The couple was legally married, but sexual co-habitation has not yet begun until stage two up to a year later.
    This is seen in the fact that although Mary and Joseph were betrothed, they had never had sex, even though they were 100% legally married.
    Although called betrothal, it was not equivalent to our modern engagement today, which is nothing more than "monogamous promise dating" with no legal consequences if broken.

Good to see you back Raven.

Well if the god we know is male, there is probably a female god too.

After all god was originally called Elohim.

That's plural.

There are variations on a theme of the nature of God.  Even the Abrahamic "God" of Jews, Christians and Muslims.
Even within Christianity itself.
But one thing they all agree on is that God is "male" in the sense of being the Father of all things.

Grendel wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 10:39pm:


You are astonishingly fixated on having 'God' as male.  Has me stuffed.

I reckon (alleged) creator is a better expression.  Why must the sky fairy be of any gender? 

Setanta wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 10:57pm:

Ah no.....

Grendel wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 11:48pm:


How do you know? God is jealous of other gods so there must be more than one.

Psalm 82:1
God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

Why wouldn't he have a wife. They probably had a falling out which is why he is such a monster on the OT

You need to read my short story on how Gabriel came to be an Archangel.. at the prompting of his wife.. aka God... but he didn't know they were married yet... but always had been...

Heavenly time is complicated.... all that is and will be and was.. is all the same....

Setanta wrote on Jul 9^th, 2018 at 1:31am:


Yeah - but in my story we settled things peacefully.. with a little deception... and God Herself chose the path of Free Will and allowed Lucifer to run his race, and only when he took illegal possession of Her home did she act ..... She's an honest God.... but that Heavenly Time thing can be so confusing... that all happened thousands of years ago but God is just now giving me the case to sort it out?  This all that is, was and ever shall be stuff is mighty confusing...

I published it somewhere online... some love it... but memory fades.. it's the air down here on Earth where we Archangels take a sabbatical and work in the slums for the good of all mankind.... and we don't remember that we always have been Archangels and are and always have been married to God - aka Jenny for Jenovah...

I should've paid more attention in Angel School... no wonder I was tenth in a class of twelve....

I just re-read it myself after a long break and I laughed....


Here it is:-

http://www.writerscafe.org/writing/Grapplersama/1878233/

I wanna hear Longie savage it... he writes teenage fiction, after all... (glurg)...

"Arya looked at the sun setting and knew the moon would soon rise.... and bring with it the dire situation of being alone again.... so alone.... mum and dad did not understand.... she was going to the Star Fleet regardless..."....(Ho-Hum).....

Jesus - Amazon bought two of my stories.... no publishing offers yet... just looked.

Weren't we taught the Lord's Prayer...
Didn't Christ teach us that Prayer and didn't he always refer to God the Father.
Doesn't it start OUR FATHER, who art in heaven?