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Jul 7th, 2018 at 9:39am
 
The Green Tax Shift Concept and the Economics of Climate Change

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The Green Tax Shift Concept and the Economics of Climate Change

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2600 economists, 1997, 18 Nobel prize winners


And how many of those 2600 correctly identified the GFC?

So it says "Allow me to introduce myself" and then it doesn't.
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Any future course of action based on the IPCC is wrong.

The IPCC forecast to 2100 is WRONG therefore any course of action based on their papers is also WRONG.

Their forecast was way over the top, there was no hiatus in the weather the fact is their information was WRONG and it didn't warm in accordance with their computer models.

They over predicted and yet here we have people wanting taxes on misinformation FFS....... Angry

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https://www.economicsnetwork.ac.uk/sites/default/files/Brian%20Roach/The_Economi...

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Reply #3 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 12:57pm
 
Wow, lee really is losing his touch
It took him a whole 2 hours to respond to climate change post and try and discredit it.
You are getting slow lee

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Reply #4 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 1:19pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 12:57pm:
Wow, lee really is losing his touch
It took him a whole 2 hours to respond to climate change post and try and discredit it.
You are getting slow lee



That's only because of different time zones. I wasn't up at 0540 (WST).

One of these days you may graduate to idiot level; but I won't hold my breath.

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Reply #5 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 5:42pm
 
lee wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 11:58am:
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2600 economists, 1997, 18 Nobel prize winners


And how many of those 2600 correctly identified the GFC?

So it says "Allow me to introduce myself" and then it doesn't.


Do you expect economists to predict the future?

The GFC was an exception. Just about every mainstream economist saw it coming. That's what the reserve bank upped interest rates so much. Just because you are incapable of reading the newspaper headlines does not mean you were not warned.

Ajax wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 12:12pm:
Any future course of action based on the IPCC is wrong.

The IPCC forecast to 2100 is WRONG therefore any course of action based on their papers is also WRONG.

Their forecast was way over the top, there was no hiatus in the weather the fact is their information was WRONG and it didn't warm in accordance with their computer models.

They over predicted and yet here we have people wanting taxes on misinformation FFS....... Angry

https://preview.ibb.co/cL79Zy/m14.png


https://www.economicsnetwork.ac.uk/sites/default/files/Brian%20Roach/The_Economi...



Why does that look like a child taking a screen dump?
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freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 5:42pm:
Do you expect economists to predict the future?



Isn't that what they are attempting to do with this presentation? Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 5:42pm:
Just about every mainstream economist saw it coming.



"Ann Pettifor I was one of the only economists who predicted the 2008 recession"

"As someone who correctly predicted the financial crisis (first in 2003 and later in a 2006 book) I support Andy Haldane’s assertion that the economics profession is “to some degree in crisis”. He is not the first to argue this.  The retiring head of the UK Treasury admitted in 2016 that economists failed to spot the build-up of risk before 2007 and were guilty of what he called “a monumental collective intellectual error”. It is a collective intellectual failure that I believe has played a key role in the rise of political populism."

https://www.independent.co.uk/author/ann-pettifor
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Isn't that what they are attempting to do with this presentation?


Can you quote the bit you re talking about?"

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Ann Pettifor I was one of the only economists who predicted the 2008 recession"


Just about every mainstream economist saw it coming. A few particularly cunning ones claim they were the only one.


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Reply #8 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 10:55pm
 
"If They Tell You They Predicted The Financial Crisis, They're Lying"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johntamny/2013/10/08/if-they-tell-you-they-predicte...

A good read.
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Why do you think the reserve bank raised interest rates so high?

Why do you think they were on the front page of the paper saying the economy was overheated?

Or does it only count as a prediction if they give you the date and time?

lee wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 5:53pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 5:42pm:
Do you expect economists to predict the future?



Isn't that what they are attempting to do with this presentation? Roll Eyes



Can you quote the bit you are talking about?"
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freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 5:42pm:
Ajax wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 12:12pm:
Any future course of action based on the IPCC is wrong.

The IPCC forecast to 2100 is WRONG therefore any course of action based on their papers is also WRONG.

Their forecast was way over the top, there was no hiatus in the weather the fact is their information was WRONG and it didn't warm in accordance with their computer models.

They over predicted and yet here we have people wanting taxes on misinformation FFS....... Angry

https://preview.ibb.co/cL79Zy/m14.png


https://www.economicsnetwork.ac.uk/sites/default/files/Brian%20Roach/The_Economi...



Why does that look like a child taking a screen dump?


So we're all doomed if we don't pay for the air we breathe.

If we do pay we're saved.

Makes a lot of sense since the tipping point according to the arch bishop Al Gore was 2006.

Show me in our history were CO2 and temperature correlate......................AND I WILL BELIEVE.... Kiss

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Reply #11 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 10:04am
 
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So we're all doomed if we don't pay for the air we breathe.

If we do pay we're saved.

Makes a lot of sense since the tipping point according to the arch bishop Al Gore was 2006.

Show me in our history were CO2 and temperature correlate......................AND I WILL BELIEVE....


Would you like to address the actual topic? So far we've had predicting the GFC, Al Gore, and a child's interpretive screen dump of IPCC recommendations. What other strawmen do you have?
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freediver wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 10:04am:
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So we're all doomed if we don't pay for the air we breathe.

If we do pay we're saved.

Makes a lot of sense since the tipping point according to the arch bishop Al Gore was 2006.

Show me in our history were CO2 and temperature correlate......................AND I WILL BELIEVE....


Would you like to address the actual topic? So far we've had predicting the GFC and Al Gore. What other strawmen do you have?


Last one......!!!!

You know its BS when life on the Earth is in danger and economists are leading the charge to save us all.

Nuff said about a BS topic......... Kiss
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Why are you so desperate to change the topic? It's really not that scary.
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freediver wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 10:51am:
Why are you so desperate to change the topic? It's really not that scary.


Sorry FD not trying to change the topic, but I cant debate a topic based on BS.

But since you only understand economics take a peek at this.


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Reply #15 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 11:14am
 
What do you normally think when you see someone who feels compelled to give there opinion on a topic but is afraid to figure out what the topic is first?

Would you rather discard conventional economics that inform yourself about what it has to say?
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freediver wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 11:14am:
What do you normally think when you see someone who feels compelled to give there opinion on a topic but is afraid to figure out what the topic is first?

Would you rather discard conventional economics that inform yourself about what it has to say?


Over the past 3 or 4 years my interest in the Anthropogenic Global Warming Hypothesis has waned but before that I spent a good 4 or 5 years looking into AGW and reading and trying to understand every free paper I could get my hands on through the internet.

Of course this doesn’t make me an expert as I have just scratched the surface and is not my field of expertise but I think I understand enough to call it out as BS.

BTW after I saw an inconvenient truth I believed what Al gore was saying, I became a foot soldier of the AGW religion overnight and joined political forums to discuss and see what is being done about this phenomenon that will destroy us all.

So I do know enough about this topic to make a comment, as for the economics to deal with this problem I have told you before in threads above.

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So your failed efforts to understand the science of climate change make you now dismiss the economic considerations without any need to understand what you are dismissing?
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So your failed efforts to understand the science of climate change make you now dismiss the economic considerations without any need to understand what you are dismissing?


Or perhaps the realization that Australia cant change the world, one person in Australia can do bugger all and the rest of the world is going to do nothing, while pretending to do so.

Makes you switch off somewhat.
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miketrees wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 1:00pm:
So your failed efforts to understand the science of climate change make you now dismiss the economic considerations without any need to understand what you are dismissing?


Or perhaps the realization that Australia cant change the world, one person in Australia can do bugger all and the rest of the world is going to do nothing, while pretending to do so.

Makes you switch off somewhat.

wow I think mike went and killed himself after that... because none can do anything...  give up all
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freediver wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 11:48am:
So your failed efforts to understand the science of climate change make you now dismiss the economic considerations without any need to understand what you are dismissing?


None have said it better than Professor Richard Feynman.

The Essence Of Science In 60 Seconds



If it disagrees with observations its WRONG...!

If the hypothesis is wrong why bother with the economics of fixing it......???

Doesn't make sense.
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Ajax wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 1:17pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 11:48am:
So your failed efforts to understand the science of climate change make you now dismiss the economic considerations without any need to understand what you are dismissing?


None have said it better than Professor Richard Feynman.

The Essence Of Science In 60 Seconds



If it disagrees with observations its WRONG...!

If the hypothesis is wrong why bother with the economics of fixing it......???

Doesn't make sense.

Ajax thinks he's cryptic  Grin
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miketrees wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 1:00pm:
So your failed efforts to understand the science of climate change make you now dismiss the economic considerations without any need to understand what you are dismissing?


Or perhaps the realization that Australia cant change the world, one person in Australia can do bugger all and the rest of the world is going to do nothing, while pretending to do so.

Makes you switch off somewhat.


Carbon taxes are not bound to Australia. In fact they offer a way to resolve a lot of the international quagmires.

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put your head in the sand and take what life gives ya, your already in the position


Its the people that are being stampeded into jumping through hoops to fix something that they have no chance of changing that have their heads in the sand.

Politicians have a great scare weapon to herd you where they want you,,, maybe a bit of socialism via carbon taxes.

No way we are going to stop climate change, what ever the cause learn to adapt.
You cant get more real than that
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miketrees wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 4:53pm:
put your head in the sand and take what life gives ya, your already in the position


Its the people that are being stampeded into jumping through hoops to fix something that they have no chance of changing that have their heads in the sand.

Politicians have a great scare weapon to herd you where they want you,,, maybe a bit of socialism via carbon taxes.

No way we are going to stop climate change, what ever the cause learn to adapt.
You cant get more real than that


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Reply #25 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 1:37pm
 
miketrees wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 4:53pm:
put your head in the sand and take what life gives ya, your already in the position


Its the people that are being stampeded into jumping through hoops to fix something that they have no chance of changing that have their heads in the sand.

Politicians have a great scare weapon to herd you where they want you,,, maybe a bit of socialism via carbon taxes.

No way we are going to stop climate change, what ever the cause learn to adapt.
You cant get more real than that

mike is a f'head!  Cheesy
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Reply #26 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:53pm
 
Ajax would you say that you are so sure of yourself that you don't need to go to the trouble of understanding what you are responding to?
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