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Jul 3rd, 2018 at 8:48pm
 
Australia ends direct aid to Palestinian Authority

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-02/australia-ends-direct-aid-to-palestinian-authority/9932828

Australia has ceased providing direct aid to the Palestinian Authority (PA), with Foreign Minister Julie Bishop saying the donations could increase the self-governing body's capacity to pay Palestinians convicted of politically motivated violence.

Ms Bishop said funding was cut to the World Bank's Multi-Donor Trust Fund for the Palestinian Recovery and Development Program after writing to the Palestinian Authority in late May seeking assurance that Australian funding was not going to Palestinian criminals.

Australia sends about $10 million in aid to Palestine territories. It will now direct its funds through the United Nations.

Concerns have been raised by some Coalition politicians, including backbencher Eric Abetz, that the money sent through the World Bank had gone towards funding violence in the region.

Ms Bishop said she was confident no Australian funds had been used inappropriately.

"I am confident that previous Australian funding to the PA through the World Bank has been used as intended," she said in a statement.

"However, I am concerned that in providing funds for this aspect of the PA's operations, there is an opportunity for it to use its own budget to [fund] activities that Australia would never support."

"Any assistance provided by the Palestine Liberation Organisation to those convicted of politically motivated violence is an affront to Australian values and undermines the prospect of meaningful peace between Israel and the Palestinians," she added.

Australia allocated $43 million for humanitarian assistance in the region for the current fiscal year, which began on July 1.

Australia following US lead

In March, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu praised the US Government for passing a law that suspended some financial aid to the Palestinians over the stipends paid to families of Palestinians killed or jailed in fighting with Israel.

Mr Netanyahu said the Taylor Force Act, named after an American killed in Israel by a Palestinian in 2016, a "powerful signal by the US that changes the rules" by cutting "hundreds of millions of dollars for the Palestinian Authority that they invest in encouraging terrorism".

The Palestinians say the families are victims of violence.

An injured man is carried by severall men at the site of the clashes near gaza
PHOTO: An injured Palestinian man is evacuated during the protests. (Reuters: Mohammed Salem)
Palestinian official Nabil Abu Rdeneh condemned the law, saying it did not "allow for the creation of an atmosphere conducive to peace".

Mr Abetz welcomed Ms Bishop's decision.

"Minister Bishop's strong and decisive decision today to ensure that the Palestinian Authority can no longer use our aid to free up money in its budget for state-promoted terrorism is very positive," Mr Abetz said.

"It is vital that we ensure that our foreign aid is not being spent on, or making money available for, the promotion of terrorism and so funnelling our aid to the Palestinian Territories through the United Nations will provide greater assurance that the Palestinian Authority's clever accounting cannot occur," he added.

Ms Bishop said the United Nations' Humanitarian Fund helps 1.9 million people, predominately in the Gaza Strip where the humanitarian situation continues to deteriorate.
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Reply #1 - Jul 3rd, 2018 at 9:08pm
 
That is a good decision on the part of the Government, but they are still directing the aid, via a different channel, to people who cheered the 911 attacks, when more people died than the attack on Pearl Harbour. And who are part of the sworn objective to drive Israel into the sea. There will never be peace between the antogonists. Australian aid is a waste of money.
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they receive billions in foreign aid....

why would they want the conflict to end?????...

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Not as much aid as freedivers heros get!

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Reply #4 - Jul 4th, 2018 at 9:57am
 
I am not sure what any good any of it does..


and why we keep doing it?..

who helps us out????>.. Roll Eyes

we have massive fires and droughts.....?????????
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Reply #5 - Jul 4th, 2018 at 10:09am
 
how much do we give Israel?

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Reply #6 - Jul 4th, 2018 at 11:44am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 10:09am:
how much do we give Israel?

Spot


I don't think we give any aid to Israel

I reckon about 80% of our Naval weapons systems are Israeli technology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_Weapon_Station


Our FA18 use the Israeli Litening pod for precision weapons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litening


We even had Israeli made Heron Drone before recently upgrading.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Heron


We were giving the Palestinians over $43 million a year in aid
http://dfat.gov.au/geo/palestinian-territories/development-assistance/Pages/deve...




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Reply #7 - Jul 4th, 2018 at 11:51am
 
We dont,  but the USA gives massive aid to Israel mainly military!

So they have plenty of guns to shoot kids with rocks!
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Reply #8 - Jul 4th, 2018 at 11:55am
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 11:51am:
We dont,  but the USA gives massive aid to Israel mainly military!

So they have plenty of guns to shoot kids with rocks!



The USA uses a lot of Israeli technology with their military.

My American friends say US aid to Israel is compensation for restraint of trade for the USA telling Israel not to sell this technology to other countries.


Israel could make far more selling military technology than what the USA gives them in aid.
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Yeah ok to answer my own question:

http://dfat.gov.au/aid/where-we-give-aid/Pages/where-we-give-aid.aspx

We dont give aid to israel. I must have been thinking of america.

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Reply #10 - Jul 4th, 2018 at 12:52pm
 
The thread title is wrong:

Quote:
Australia sends about $10 million in aid to Palestine territories. It will now direct its funds through the United Nations.


also, for good measure...

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Ms Bishop said she was confident no Australian funds had been used inappropriately.

"I am confident that previous Australian funding to the PA through the World Bank has been used as intended," she said in a statement.

"However, I am concerned that in providing funds for this aspect of the PA's operations, there is an opportunity for it to use its own budget to [fund] activities that Australia would never support."


good grief, FD wouldn't be using a deliberately misleading thread title with the sole purpose of causing outrage would he??
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Reply #11 - Jul 4th, 2018 at 2:42pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 11:51am:
We dont,  but the USA gives massive aid to Israel mainly military!

So they have plenty of guns to shoot kids with rocks!


If you want to side with Gandalf and the Palestinians, go right ahead. Its good to know what side people are on.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
also, for good measure...

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Ms Bishop said she was confident no Australian funds had been used inappropriately.

"I am confident that previous Australian funding to the PA through the World Bank has been used as intended," she said in a statement.

"However, I am concerned that in providing funds for this aspect of the PA's operations, there is an opportunity for it to use its own budget to [fund] activities that Australia would never support."


good grief, FD wouldn't be using a deliberately misleading thread title with the sole purpose of causing outrage would he??



Do you think a Politican would admit to funding terrorists?


If Julie was so confident our foreign aid was not funding terrorists then why was there a need to change it?


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Reply #13 - Jul 4th, 2018 at 3:34pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 11:55am:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 11:51am:
We dont,  but the USA gives massive aid to Israel mainly military!

So they have plenty of guns to shoot kids with rocks!



The USA uses a lot of Israeli technology with their military.


So does the ADF.  It is just a great lower key in it's adoption and use.  It is primarily used by the Army.  The Israeli Army has some excellent kit.  It is a shame that it uses it to oppress the Palestinians.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #14 - Jul 5th, 2018 at 12:25pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
The thread title is wrong:

Quote:
Australia sends about $10 million in aid to Palestine territories. It will now direct its funds through the United Nations.


also, for good measure...

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Ms Bishop said she was confident no Australian funds had been used inappropriately.

"I am confident that previous Australian funding to the PA through the World Bank has been used as intended," she said in a statement.

"However, I am concerned that in providing funds for this aspect of the PA's operations, there is an opportunity for it to use its own budget to [fund] activities that Australia would never support."


good grief, FD wouldn't be using a deliberately misleading thread title with the sole purpose of causing outrage would he??


Read your own quote. We put $10 million into the Palestinian Authority's bank account. They withdraw a 'different' $10 million to give to terrorists.

Muslim accounting.

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It is a shame that it uses it to oppress the Palestinians.


Launching rockets at Jewish schools is a fundamental Islamic right.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
The thread title is wrong:

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Australia sends about $10 million in aid to Palestine territories. It will now direct its funds through the United Nations.


also, for good measure...

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Ms Bishop said she was confident no Australian funds had been used inappropriately.

"I am confident that previous Australian funding to the PA through the World Bank has been used as intended," she said in a statement.

"However, I am concerned that in providing funds for this aspect of the PA's operations, there is an opportunity for it to use its own budget to [fund] activities that Australia would never support."


good grief, FD wouldn't be using a deliberately misleading thread title with the sole purpose of causing outrage would he??


I don't think so, G. He's just informing everyone about one of his favourite topics, aid to developing countries.

It's just a pity we couldn't spend that money on invading and turning them into the next South Korea.
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does anyone know what the UN does with the money we already give them?


anyone ever seen a balance sheet?>..
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issuevoter wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 2:42pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 11:51am:
We dont,  but the USA gives massive aid to Israel mainly military!

So they have plenty of guns to shoot kids with rocks!


If you want to side with Gandalf and the Palestinians, go right ahead. Its good to know what side people are on.


Not on any side at all!

Just notice an imbalance that seems to massively favour one side who have no interest in resolving the problem.

Who would rather steal the other sides land and use an army with guns against stone throwing opposition.




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Reply #18 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 11:38am
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 11:27am:
issuevoter wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 2:42pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 11:51am:
We dont,  but the USA gives massive aid to Israel mainly military!

So they have plenty of guns to shoot kids with rocks!


If you want to side with Gandalf and the Palestinians, go right ahead. Its good to know what side people are on.


Not on any side at all!

Just notice an imbalance that seems to massively favour one side who have no interest in resolving the problem.

Who would rather steal the other sides land and use an army with guns against stone throwing opposition.







\ I think you do take sides red..... we all do.. its impossible to sit on the fence with something that has been going on for so many years....



let me ask you this..

why cant they live together????>....

like all countries they share boundaries....why cant they live as one.?


their history goes back so far    they are truly brothers under the skin.....why cant they share this land and live in peace?....
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Reply #19 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 12:23pm
 
cods wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 11:38am:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 11:27am:
issuevoter wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 2:42pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 11:51am:
We dont,  but the USA gives massive aid to Israel mainly military!

So they have plenty of guns to shoot kids with rocks!


If you want to side with Gandalf and the Palestinians, go right ahead. Its good to know what side people are on.


Not on any side at all!

Just notice an imbalance that seems to massively favour one side who have no interest in resolving the problem.

Who would rather steal the other sides land and use an army with guns against stone throwing opposition.







\ I think you do take sides red..... we all do.. its impossible to sit on the fence with something that has been going on for so many years....



let me ask you this..

why cant they live together????>....

like all countries they share boundaries....why cant they live as one.?


their history goes back so far    they are truly brothers under the skin.....why cant they share this land and live in peace?....


Totally agree cods !
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Reply #20 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 1:49pm
 
cods wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 9:36am:
does anyone know what the UN does with the money we already give them?


anyone ever seen a balance sheet?>..


Building walls, I think. Anyone?
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Reply #21 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 5:39pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 11:27am:
issuevoter wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 2:42pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 11:51am:
We dont,  but the USA gives massive aid to Israel mainly military!

So they have plenty of guns to shoot kids with rocks!


If you want to side with Gandalf and the Palestinians, go right ahead. Its good to know what side people are on.


Not on any side at all!

Just notice an imbalance that seems to massively favour one side who have no interest in resolving the problem.

Who would rather steal the other sides land and use an army with guns against stone throwing opposition.






Plus the odd rocket, if they can get their hands on enough money.
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freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 5:39pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 11:27am:
issuevoter wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 2:42pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 11:51am:
We dont,  but the USA gives massive aid to Israel mainly military!

So they have plenty of guns to shoot kids with rocks!


If you want to side with Gandalf and the Palestinians, go right ahead. Its good to know what side people are on.


Not on any side at all!

Just notice an imbalance that seems to massively favour one side who have no interest in resolving the problem.

Who would rather steal the other sides land and use an army with guns against stone throwing opposition.






Plus the odd rocket, if they can get their hands on enough money.




Get real freediver!

Lets compare the size of the rockets from each side!

A few penny bungers vs hand grenades!

Are you and your mates serious!!

FFS! Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Reply #23 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 7:19pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 6:14pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 5:39pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 11:27am:
issuevoter wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 2:42pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 11:51am:
We dont,  but the USA gives massive aid to Israel mainly military!

So they have plenty of guns to shoot kids with rocks!


If you want to side with Gandalf and the Palestinians, go right ahead. Its good to know what side people are on.


Not on any side at all!

Just notice an imbalance that seems to massively favour one side who have no interest in resolving the problem.

Who would rather steal the other sides land and use an army with guns against stone throwing opposition.






Plus the odd rocket, if they can get their hands on enough money.




Get real freediver!

Lets compare the size of the rockets from each side!

A few penny bungers vs hand grenades!

Are you and your mates serious!!

FFS! Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




Yes, Redmond, but the Palestinians are Moslems. They're far worse.

Did you know? They're retarded inbreds who squat down to pee and play with their dicks afterwards.

A little knowledge goes a long way, you know. Scientific, innit.
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Reply #24 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 10:39pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 6:14pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 5:39pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 11:27am:
issuevoter wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 2:42pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 11:51am:
We dont,  but the USA gives massive aid to Israel mainly military!

So they have plenty of guns to shoot kids with rocks!


If you want to side with Gandalf and the Palestinians, go right ahead. Its good to know what side people are on.


Not on any side at all!

Just notice an imbalance that seems to massively favour one side who have no interest in resolving the problem.

Who would rather steal the other sides land and use an army with guns against stone throwing opposition.






Plus the odd rocket, if they can get their hands on enough money.




Get real freediver!

Lets compare the size of the rockets from each side!

A few penny bungers vs hand grenades!

Are you and your mates serious!!

FFS! Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




Does it hurt less if you get killed by a small rocket?
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Reply #25 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 8:54am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 10:39pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 6:14pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 5:39pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 11:27am:
issuevoter wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 2:42pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 11:51am:
We dont,  but the USA gives massive aid to Israel mainly military!

So they have plenty of guns to shoot kids with rocks!


If you want to side with Gandalf and the Palestinians, go right ahead. Its good to know what side people are on.


Not on any side at all!

Just notice an imbalance that seems to massively favour one side who have no interest in resolving the problem.

Who would rather steal the other sides land and use an army with guns against stone throwing opposition.






Plus the odd rocket, if they can get their hands on enough money.




Get real freediver!

Lets compare the size of the rockets from each side!

A few penny bungers vs hand grenades!

Are you and your mates serious!!

FFS! Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




Does it hurt less if you get killed by a small rocket?


No but perhaps you might like to quote the numbers killed on both sides!

That will .......to use an appropriate term "blow your argument" out of the water!


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Are you equating incompetence with benign intent?
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freediver wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 9:23am:
Are you equating incompetence with benign intent?


Governments are obliged to do just this, FD. In military terms, it's called proportionate response.

Israel has been the subject of a number of UN resolutions that pointed this out.

They were not favourable resolutions either, but they carried the support of an overwhelming majority of the UN which condemned Israel's lack of a proportionate response to the malevolent intent of young boys throwing stones.

One country - the US - vetoed these resolutions in the Security Council.

It is a jolly world, no?
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How many rock throwers have the Israeli's killed?
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freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:46pm:
How many rock throwers have the Israeli's killed?


I'm not sure if they keep records on that, FD. If you're asking how many underage suspects they've illegally detained, I'm sure you can find this out.
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Do you have a figure, FD?
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Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:46pm:
How many rock throwers have the Israeli's killed?


I'm not sure if they keep records on that, FD. If you're asking how many underage suspects they've illegally detained, I'm sure you can find this out.


Is that a euphemism for kill?
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freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:45pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:46pm:
How many rock throwers have the Israeli's killed?


I'm not sure if they keep records on that, FD. If you're asking how many underage suspects they've illegally detained, I'm sure you can find this out.


Is that a euphemism for kill?


Don't want to answer the question?
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Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:45pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 9:23am:
Are you equating incompetence with benign intent?


Governments are obliged to do just this, FD. In military terms, it's called proportionate response.

Israel has been the subject of a number of UN resolutions that pointed this out.

They were not favourable resolutions either, but they carried the support of an overwhelming majority of the UN which condemned Israel's lack of a proportionate response to the malevolent intent of young boys throwing stones.

One country - the US - vetoed these resolutions in the Security Council.

It is a jolly world, no?



Cancelling aid to Palestinian terrorists is proportionate enough response for you?



How is it illegal to detain 'peaceful, vast-majority, mainstream' rock-throwing Muslims?




Wounding them seriously is a proportionate response.

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Australia ‘worthy of being spat on’: Nabil Shaath condemns decision to cancel $10 million in aid


A senior Palestinian Authority official has condemned a decision by the Australian government to cancel $10 million in aid, describing Australia as “worthy of being spat on” and “servants of the US”.

Nabil Shaath, who advises PA chairman Mahmoud Abbas on foreign affairs and international relations, told a television station he had been “angered greatly” by the decision.

“Australia’s decision about transferring $10 million angered me greatly. That’s all that Australia pays — $10 million that it pays to us, to the PA, through the international bank,” he said.

“(Australia) said that it transferred (the aid) to the UN Children’s Fund, UNICEF, so that it would not serve the payment of the salaries of the (martyrs and prisoners’) families.

“In other words, the truth is they are worthy of being spat on. You (Australians) are the servants of the US.

“We do not want to declare war on Australia. But it cannot be, in other words, sometimes there is insolence that is impossible (to accept). I don’t want your $10 million. I don’t want to chase after them.”


Australia allocated $43.8 million in humanitarian assistance to the region in 2017-18 and cut it to $43m in 2018-19.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/foreign-affairs/australia-wort...




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Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
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Australia ‘worthy of being spat on’: Nabil Shaath condemns decision to cancel $10 million in aid


A senior Palestinian Authority official has condemned a decision by the Australian government to cancel $10 million in aid, describing Australia as “worthy of being spat on” and “servants of the US”.

Nabil Shaath, who advises PA chairman Mahmoud Abbas on foreign affairs and international relations, told a television station he had been “angered greatly” by the decision.

“Australia’s decision about transferring $10 million angered me greatly. That’s all that Australia pays — $10 million that it pays to us, to the PA, through the international bank,” he said.

“(Australia) said that it transferred (the aid) to the UN Children’s Fund, UNICEF, so that it would not serve the payment of the salaries of the (martyrs and prisoners’) families.

“In other words, the truth is they are worthy of being spat on. You (Australians) are the servants of the US.

“We do not want to declare war on Australia. But it cannot be, in other words, sometimes there is insolence that is impossible (to accept). I don’t want your $10 million. I don’t want to chase after them.”


Australia allocated $43.8 million in humanitarian assistance to the region in 2017-18 and cut it to $43m in 2018-19.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/foreign-affairs/australia-wort...




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FD, why are you evading questions? We know you're here. You're reading this now.

See our replies below. We've all been patient, understanding and thoughtful in our answers to your questions. We always reply to your posts.

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Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 5:18pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:45pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 9:23am:
Are you equating incompetence with benign intent?


Governments are obliged to do just this, FD. In military terms, it's called proportionate response.

Israel has been the subject of a number of UN resolutions that pointed this out.

They were not favourable resolutions either, but they carried the support of an overwhelming majority of the UN which condemned Israel's lack of a proportionate response to the malevolent intent of young boys throwing stones.

One country - the US - vetoed these resolutions in the Security Council.

It is a jolly world, no?



Cancelling aid to Palestinian terrorists is proportionate enough response for you?



How is it illegal to detain 'peaceful, vast-majorityat, mainstream' rock-throwing Muslims?




Wounding them seriously is a proportionate response.



Good question, dear boy. Allow me to demonstrate an answer.

It's illegal under Israeli law to detain children under 12. It's illegal under Israeli law to detain children under 16 without informing their parents. It's illegal to detain any person without trial.

And it's illegal under Israeli law to breach the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, of which Israel is a signatory.

I'm not talking of cancelling aid to Palestinian terrorists or killing Palestinian children, a subject on which FD alludes to but doesn't want to talk about.

No, I'm talking about detaining hundreds of kids as young as 10 in military prisons for throwing rocks at Israeli soldiers. I'm talking about doing so to some for more than 2 years, and not even attempting to inform their parents.

In the civilised world, we call this a disproportionate response. What do you people call it?
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Reply #38 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:01pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:41pm:
FD, why are you evading questions? We know you're here. You're reading this now.

See our replies below. We've all been patient, understanding and thoughtful in our answers to your questions. We always reply to your posts.

Why don't you answer in return? We call this common courtesy. Why do you decline to engage in the human interplay of dialogue?

Is something wrong?


He evaded my question about whether White People are genetically superior to Indigenous Peoples.

You see, he's actually quite clever, this FD. He doesn't directly answer questions so that no one can quote him later on as saying one thing or another. It comes with the turf of being a Forum master, I suspect.

Kunning, no?
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Auggie wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:01pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:41pm:
FD, why are you evading questions? We know you're here. You're reading this now.

See our replies below. We've all been patient, understanding and thoughtful in our answers to your questions. We always reply to your posts.

Why don't you answer in return? We call this common courtesy. Why do you decline to engage in the human interplay of dialogue?

Is something wrong?


He evaded my question about whether White People are genetically superior to Indigenous Peoples.

You see, he's actually quite clever, this FD. He doesn't directly answer questions so that no one can quote him later on as saying one thing or another. It comes with the turf of being a Forum master, I suspect.

Kunning, no?


So why would a poster chase people around for years in a craven attempt to get them to "confess" to things they don't believe, when he won't allow himself the most mealy-mouthed whimper of what he may himself believe?

I'm curious. I'm keen to hear what you believe.
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freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2018 at 12:25pm:
Read your own quote. We put $10 million into the Palestinian Authority's bank account. They withdraw a 'different' $10 million to give to terrorists.

Muslim accounting.


Sorry FD, would you mind pointing out where in my quote it says they withdraw $10 million to give to the terrorists? I must have missed that. Its possible its in the same place as where the ABC prove that "muslims are lazy".
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Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 9:22pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 5:18pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:45pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 9:23am:
Are you equating incompetence with benign intent?


Governments are obliged to do just this, FD. In military terms, it's called proportionate response.

Israel has been the subject of a number of UN resolutions that pointed this out.

They were not favourable resolutions either, but they carried the support of an overwhelming majority of the UN which condemned Israel's lack of a proportionate response to the malevolent intent of young boys throwing stones.

One country - the US - vetoed these resolutions in the Security Council.

It is a jolly world, no?



Cancelling aid to Palestinian terrorists is proportionate enough response for you?



How is it illegal to detain 'peaceful, vast-majorityat, mainstream' rock-throwing Muslims?




Wounding them seriously is a proportionate response.



Good question, dear boy. Allow me to demonstrate an answer.

It's illegal under Israeli law to detain children under 12. It's illegal under Israeli law to detain children under 16 without informing their parents. It's illegal to detain any person without trial.

And it's illegal under Israeli law to breach the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, of which Israel is a signatory.

I'm not talking of cancelling aid to Palestinian terrorists or killing Palestinian children, a subject on which FD alludes to but doesn't want to talk about.

No, I'm talking about detaining hundreds of kids as young as 10 in military prisons for throwing rocks at Israeli soldiers. I'm talking about doing so to some for more than 2 years, and not even attempting to inform their parents.

In the civilised world, we call this a disproportionate response. What do you people call it?



Arab 'children":

...

...

Etc, etc.

You are 'not talking about' this and that because you are making shite up as usual.

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freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2018 at 12:25pm:
Read your own quote. We put $10 million into the Palestinian Authority's bank account. They withdraw a 'different' $10 million to give to terrorists.

Muslim accounting.


Sorry FD, would you mind pointing out where in my quote it says they withdraw $10 million to give to the terrorists? I must have missed that. Its possible its in the same place as where the ABC prove that "muslims are lazy".


It's in the bit you deleted from the quote.
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So if quote the entire article, we'll see the part where it says $10 million of Australian aid is given to terrorists will we FD?
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I am not going to explain something to you that only needs explaining because you deleted it from the post you quoted.
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Thats a no then?

So we can dismiss this nonsense you said before...?

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Sorry FD, would you mind pointing out where in my quote it says they withdraw $10 million to give to the terrorists?


freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:51pm:
it's in the bit you deleted from the quote.


Would you like to quote the actual part that I deleted that says they give $10 million of our aid to terrorists? No need to explain anything, if the quote is there it should be self-explanatory right?
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No thanks. It's pretty obvious what I meant and what I was referring to, and the links are still there to the original. If you include the full quote, your question looks pretty stupid, which is why you deleted it all. If you are not prepared to do that, I am happy to leave this where it is.
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The full quote is in the OP FD. I don't think its necessary to repost it to confirm what we already know - that nowhere does it say Australian aid was being handed over to terrorists - wouldn't you agree?

Its obviously another one of your "read between the lines/it means something other than what it says" BS, which requires special FD goggles to comprehend. The same goggles that enables you to conclude that an ABC article on low workforce participation rates "proves muslims are lazy".
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No thanks. It's pretty obvious what I meant


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Australia ‘worthy of being spat on’: Nabil Shaath condemns decision to cancel $10 million in aid


A senior Palestinian Authority official has condemned a decision by the Australian government to cancel $10 million in aid, describing Australia as “worthy of being spat on” and “servants of the US”.

Nabil Shaath, who advises PA chairman Mahmoud Abbas on foreign affairs and international relations, told a television station he had been “angered greatly” by the decision.

“Australia’s decision about transferring $10 million angered me greatly. That’s all that Australia pays — $10 million that it pays to us, to the PA, through the international bank,” he said.

“(Australia) said that it transferred (the aid) to the UN Children’s Fund, UNICEF, so that it would not serve the payment of the salaries of the (martyrs and prisoners’) families.

“In other words, the truth is they are worthy of being spat on. You (Australians) are the servants of the US.

“We do not want to declare war on Australia. But it cannot be, in other words, sometimes there is insolence that is impossible (to accept). I don’t want your $10 million. I don’t want to chase after them.”


Australia allocated $43.8 million in humanitarian assistance to the region in 2017-18 and cut it to $43m in 2018-19.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/foreign-affairs/australia-wort...




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A question for Gandalf

If the Palestinian Authority says we are worthy of being spat on why should we give them any more money?
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Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
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Australia ‘worthy of being spat on’: Nabil Shaath condemns decision to cancel $10 million in aid


A senior Palestinian Authority official has condemned a decision by the Australian government to cancel $10 million in aid, describing Australia as “worthy of being spat on” and “servants of the US”.

Nabil Shaath, who advises PA chairman Mahmoud Abbas on foreign affairs and international relations, told a television station he had been “angered greatly” by the decision.

“Australia’s decision about transferring $10 million angered me greatly. That’s all that Australia pays — $10 million that it pays to us, to the PA, through the international bank,” he said.

“(Australia) said that it transferred (the aid) to the UN Children’s Fund, UNICEF, so that it would not serve the payment of the salaries of the (martyrs and prisoners’) families.

“In other words, the truth is they are worthy of being spat on. You (Australians) are the servants of the US.

“We do not want to declare war on Australia. But it cannot be, in other words, sometimes there is insolence that is impossible (to accept). I don’t want your $10 million. I don’t want to chase after them.”


Australia allocated $43.8 million in humanitarian assistance to the region in 2017-18 and cut it to $43m in 2018-19.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/foreign-affairs/australia-wort...




We should cancel all aid to Palestine and spend that money on Australians



A question for Gandalf

If the Palestinian Authority says we are worthy of being spat on why should we give them any more money?


Mr Nabil is as confused as FD is.

No foreign aid is being cut, its merely going through a different channel.
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All Palestinian aid money ends up in Israeli hands and finances the killing of Palestinian civilians.

Australia has never been generous with foreign aid.
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foreign aid to the PA is a bit like hush money to ensure they continue selling their people out to Israeli interests.
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The full quote is in the OP FD. I don't think its necessary to repost it to confirm what we already know - that nowhere does it say Australian aid was being handed over to terrorists - wouldn't you agree?

Its obviously another one of your "read between the lines/it means something other than what it says" BS, which requires special FD goggles to comprehend. The same goggles that enables you to conclude that an ABC article on low workforce participation rates "proves muslims are lazy".


You quoted the bit where it explains how the funds were getting to terrorists.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:57pm:
The full quote is in the OP FD. I don't think its necessary to repost it to confirm what we already know - that nowhere does it say Australian aid was being handed over to terrorists - wouldn't you agree?

Its obviously another one of your "read between the lines/it means something other than what it says" BS, which requires special FD goggles to comprehend. The same goggles that enables you to conclude that an ABC article on low workforce participation rates "proves muslims are lazy".


You quoted the bit where it explains how the funds were getting to terrorists.


Israeli terrorists?
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freediver wrote on Jul 26th, 2018 at 8:02pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:57pm:
The full quote is in the OP FD. I don't think its necessary to repost it to confirm what we already know - that nowhere does it say Australian aid was being handed over to terrorists - wouldn't you agree?

Its obviously another one of your "read between the lines/it means something other than what it says" BS, which requires special FD goggles to comprehend. The same goggles that enables you to conclude that an ABC article on low workforce participation rates "proves muslims are lazy".


You quoted the bit where it explains how the funds were getting to terrorists.


Israeli terrorists?


Now now, They're Freeeeedom fighters. Ask FD.

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polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:57pm:
The full quote is in the OP FD. I don't think its necessary to repost it to confirm what we already know - that nowhere does it say Australian aid was being handed over to terrorists - wouldn't you agree?

Its obviously another one of your "read between the lines/it means something other than what it says" BS, which requires special FD goggles to comprehend. The same goggles that enables you to conclude that an ABC article on low workforce participation rates "proves muslims are lazy".


You quoted the bit where it explains how the funds were getting to terrorists.


Ah that would be in the same quote where our foreign minister herself stated she was confident none had gone to terrorists. Clever huh?
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polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 27th, 2018 at 8:34am:
freediver wrote on Jul 26th, 2018 at 8:02pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:57pm:
The full quote is in the OP FD. I don't think its necessary to repost it to confirm what we already know - that nowhere does it say Australian aid was being handed over to terrorists - wouldn't you agree?

Its obviously another one of your "read between the lines/it means something other than what it says" BS, which requires special FD goggles to comprehend. The same goggles that enables you to conclude that an ABC article on low workforce participation rates "proves muslims are lazy".


You quoted the bit where it explains how the funds were getting to terrorists.


Ah that would be in the same quote where our foreign minister herself stated she was confident none had gone to terrorists. Clever huh?


I notice you no longer quote what she actually said. Why is that?
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Most of the foreign aid to Palestinians ends in Israeli pockets.
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Reply #59 - Jul 28th, 2018 at 1:43am
 
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 28th, 2018 at 12:45am:
Most of the foreign aid to Palestinians ends in Israeli pockets.


That's not racist, is it?

Can he say that, FD?
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Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 28th, 2018 at 1:43am:
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 28th, 2018 at 12:45am:
Most of the foreign aid to Palestinians ends in Israeli pockets.


That's not racist, is it?

Can he say that, FD?


Those cunning Jews always end up with the money eh?
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freediver wrote on Jul 28th, 2018 at 9:09am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 28th, 2018 at 1:43am:
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 28th, 2018 at 12:45am:
Most of the foreign aid to Palestinians ends in Israeli pockets.


That's not racist, is it?

Can he say that, FD?


Those cunning Jews always end up with the money eh?


But of course. You people don't let anything slip between your fingers, dear.
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Reply #62 - Jul 31st, 2018 at 1:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 27th, 2018 at 9:48pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 27th, 2018 at 8:34am:
freediver wrote on Jul 26th, 2018 at 8:02pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:57pm:
The full quote is in the OP FD. I don't think its necessary to repost it to confirm what we already know - that nowhere does it say Australian aid was being handed over to terrorists - wouldn't you agree?

Its obviously another one of your "read between the lines/it means something other than what it says" BS, which requires special FD goggles to comprehend. The same goggles that enables you to conclude that an ABC article on low workforce participation rates "proves muslims are lazy".


You quoted the bit where it explains how the funds were getting to terrorists.


Ah that would be in the same quote where our foreign minister herself stated she was confident none had gone to terrorists. Clever huh?


I notice you no longer quote what she actually said. Why is that?


here you go FD:

Quote:
Ms Bishop said she was confident no Australian funds had been used inappropriately.

"I am confident that previous Australian funding to the PA through the World Bank has been used as intended," she said in a statement.


wait let me guess, when she says "used as intended" - she means sent to terrorists?
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Reply #63 - Jul 31st, 2018 at 1:50pm
 
Very clever Gandalf. Would you mind showing us the bit you quoted last time?
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Reply #64 - Jul 31st, 2018 at 2:17pm
 
Cryptic FD wants to play.

Was it this one?

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Ms Bishop said she was confident no Australian funds had been used inappropriately.

"I am confident that previous Australian funding to the PA through the World Bank has been used as intended," she said in a statement.

"However, I am concerned that in providing funds for this aspect of the PA's operations, there is an opportunity for it to use its own budget to [fund] activities that Australia would never support."


Is her "concern" that it could be used for terrorism your proof that the funding *WAS* used by terrorists?

Is this what you base this BS claim on...?

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We put $10 million into the Palestinian Authority's bank account. They withdraw a 'different' $10 million to give to terrorists.

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Reply #65 - Jul 31st, 2018 at 7:37pm
 
All you have to do to find the answer is quote the rest of the post you copied that from. In it I quote you quoting the politicians explaining how the money ends up funding terrorism. Why are you so afraid to do this? It would actually be less effort. Do you want to promote the evasive Muslim stereotype?
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Reply #66 - Jul 31st, 2018 at 7:55pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 31st, 2018 at 7:37pm:
All you have to do to find the answer is quote the rest of the post you copied that from. In it I quote you quoting the politicians explaining how the money ends up funding terrorism. Why are you so afraid to do this? It would actually be less effort. Do you want to promote the evasive Muslim stereotype?


Freediver as usual wants to promote the new NAZIs of the middle east!

Palestinians living in walled concentration camps while Freediver's big nosed jews steal their land for Jewish settlements!

Disgusting!   Angry Angry Angry Angry
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Reply #67 - Aug 1st, 2018 at 1:48am
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 31st, 2018 at 7:55pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 31st, 2018 at 7:37pm:
All you have to do to find the answer is quote the rest of the post you copied that from. In it I quote you quoting the politicians explaining how the money ends up funding terrorism. Why are you so afraid to do this? It would actually be less effort. Do you want to promote the evasive Muslim stereotype?


Freediver as usual wants to promote the new NAZIs of the middle east!

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Disgusting!   Angry Angry Angry Angry


No no, Freeeeedom.
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Reply #68 - Aug 1st, 2018 at 1:54am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 31st, 2018 at 7:37pm:
All you have to do to find the answer is quote the rest of the post you copied that from. In it I quote you quoting the politicians explaining how the money ends up funding terrorism. Why are you so afraid to do this? It would actually be less effort. Do you want to promote the evasive Muslim stereotype?


FD, do you uphold the use of taqiyya?

I mean it. I'm keen to know what you think. Nearly every post you make is an out-and-out porkie. And here is the board's resident Muselman showing you up, again and again and again.

Who are we supposed to believe?
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Reply #69 - Aug 1st, 2018 at 4:18pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 31st, 2018 at 7:37pm:
All you have to do to find the answer is quote the rest of the post you copied that from. In it I quote you quoting the politicians explaining how the money ends up funding terrorism. Why are you so afraid to do this? It would actually be less effort. Do you want to promote the evasive Muslim stereotype?


quote the quote I quoted from, which has your quote of a quote giving the right quote? Have I got that right FD? Are you actually saying this would be less effort than you posting it yourself?

Even for you, this is quite an elaborate way of avoiding the bleeding obvious - that there is no such quote of any politician "explaining how the money ends up funding terrorism".
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Reply #70 - Aug 1st, 2018 at 4:39pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 4:18pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 31st, 2018 at 7:37pm:
All you have to do to find the answer is quote the rest of the post you copied that from. In it I quote you quoting the politicians explaining how the money ends up funding terrorism. Why are you so afraid to do this? It would actually be less effort. Do you want to promote the evasive Muslim stereotype?


quote the quote I quoted from, which has your quote of a quote giving the right quote? Have I got that right FD? Are you actually saying this would be less effort than you posting it yourself?

Even for you, this is quite an elaborate way of avoiding the bleeding obvious - that there is no such quote of any politician "explaining how the money ends up funding terrorism".


That's not fair, G. For all we know, they could be saying it.
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Reply #71 - Aug 1st, 2018 at 5:35pm
 
That might literally be his actual argument.

You can't make this stuff up.
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Reply #72 - Aug 1st, 2018 at 6:46pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 4:18pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 31st, 2018 at 7:37pm:
All you have to do to find the answer is quote the rest of the post you copied that from. In it I quote you quoting the politicians explaining how the money ends up funding terrorism. Why are you so afraid to do this? It would actually be less effort. Do you want to promote the evasive Muslim stereotype?


quote the quote I quoted from, which has your quote of a quote giving the right quote? Have I got that right FD? Are you actually saying this would be less effort than you posting it yourself?

Even for you, this is quite an elaborate way of avoiding the bleeding obvious - that there is no such quote of any politician "explaining how the money ends up funding terrorism".


Do you need me to do it for you Gandalf? I have told you the same thing from the beginning, in response to your first post where you cut all the relevant explanation out of the quote and then asked me to explain it again.
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Reply #73 - Aug 1st, 2018 at 8:05pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 6:46pm:
Do you need me to do it for you Gandalf?


Oh yes I so do FD.

I need *YOU* to show me the exact quote of a politician "explaining how the money ends up funding terrorism". I'm really looking forward to this, please don't let me down ok?
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Reply #74 - Aug 1st, 2018 at 8:16pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 8:05pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 6:46pm:
Do you need me to do it for you Gandalf?


Oh yes I so do FD.

I need *YOU* to show me the exact quote of a politician "explaining how the money ends up funding terrorism". I'm really looking forward to this, please don't let me down ok?


Haven't we been here before and then it was about funding that Islamic School?   Given I have not read the Thread....maybe it is a regurgitation.
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Reply #75 - Aug 1st, 2018 at 8:57pm
 
Why are Palestinians more important than us folks in the bush? We need sealed roads out here. Better still, we need a "Donald Trump" to fight for us and stop all the globalist rot

I noticed you bastard Libs and Labs have put a GST on second hand imported goods that can't be obtained in Australia - thanks very much you rotten mongrels
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Reply #76 - Aug 1st, 2018 at 10:15pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 8:05pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 6:46pm:
Do you need me to do it for you Gandalf?


Oh yes I so do FD.

I need *YOU* to show me the exact quote of a politician "explaining how the money ends up funding terrorism". I'm really looking forward to this, please don't let me down ok?


You showed it to me the first time Gandalf. I pointed it out to you immediately, and again in every single post since, as you ducked and weaved and pretended you didn't know what I was talking about.
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Reply #77 - Aug 2nd, 2018 at 4:01am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 10:15pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 8:05pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 6:46pm:
Do you need me to do it for you Gandalf?


Oh yes I so do FD.

I need *YOU* to show me the exact quote of a politician "explaining how the money ends up funding terrorism". I'm really looking forward to this, please don't let me down ok?


You showed it to me the first time Gandalf. I pointed it out to you immediately, and again in every single post since, as you ducked and weaved and pretended you didn't know what I was talking about.


Uncanny. All those posts have been mislaid. Where on earth did they go?

Out with it, G.
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Reply #78 - Aug 2nd, 2018 at 4:03am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 8:57pm:
Why are Palestinians more important than us folks in the bush? We need sealed roads out here. Better still, we need a "Donald Trump" to fight for us and stop all the globalist rot

I noticed you bastard Libs and Labs have put a GST on second hand imported goods that can't be obtained in Australia - thanks very much you rotten mongrels


Donald Trump's too busy helping out Saudi Arabia, Bias.

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Reply #79 - Aug 2nd, 2018 at 3:57pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 10:15pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 8:05pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 6:46pm:
Do you need me to do it for you Gandalf?


Oh yes I so do FD.

I need *YOU* to show me the exact quote of a politician "explaining how the money ends up funding terrorism". I'm really looking forward to this, please don't let me down ok?


You showed it to me the first time Gandalf. I pointed it out to you immediately, and again in every single post since, as you ducked and weaved and pretended you didn't know what I was talking about.


You didn't point it out FD, stop lying.

You merely claimed it was there, somewhere, which it clearly isn't. I asked you to clarify, and you've been doing your cryptic routine ever since.

Would you like to stop playing games and simply post the exact quote of a politician "explaining how the money ends up funding terrorism" now?
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Reply #80 - Aug 2nd, 2018 at 7:07pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 2nd, 2018 at 3:57pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 10:15pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 8:05pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 6:46pm:
Do you need me to do it for you Gandalf?


Oh yes I so do FD.

I need *YOU* to show me the exact quote of a politician "explaining how the money ends up funding terrorism". I'm really looking forward to this, please don't let me down ok?


You showed it to me the first time Gandalf. I pointed it out to you immediately, and again in every single post since, as you ducked and weaved and pretended you didn't know what I was talking about.


You didn't point it out FD, stop lying.

You merely claimed it was there, somewhere, which it clearly isn't. I asked you to clarify, and you've been doing your cryptic routine ever since.

Would you like to stop playing games and simply post the exact quote of a politician "explaining how the money ends up funding terrorism" now?


I said it was in the bit that you removed from the post you were quoting. I said this in my next response, and many times since. You were only quoting a single post, so you are playing into the evasive Muslim stereotype by pretending you cannot figure it out. You even went to the extent of finding other quotes by the politician to justify your feigned confusion.
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Reply #81 - Aug 2nd, 2018 at 7:51pm
 
I don't remember what I quoted, and what I removed from a subsequent quote over a week ago, and I have no idea why you think its reasonable for me to play this stupid "quote the quote of the quote that you removed from the quote over a week ago" game, when you could just simply produce the relevant quote yourself. If it exists of course. As I recall I attempted to reproduce the quote you told me to, which of course had no resemblance to what you claim it said. You really can't accuse me of not trying to understand what you mean. But the simple fact of the matter is, I have reread that entire article and nowhere does it even remotely indicate that some politician said it went to terrorists. Certainly nothing that I quoted - then removed from a subsequent quote.

honestly why are you playing this pathetic game FD? How hard is it simply to produce the quote yourself?

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polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 2nd, 2018 at 7:51pm:
I don't remember what I quoted, and what I removed from a subsequent quote over a week ago, and I have no idea why you think its reasonable for me to play this stupid "quote the quote of the quote that you removed from the quote over a week ago" game, when you could just simply produce the relevant quote yourself. If it exists of course. As I recall I attempted to reproduce the quote you told me to, which of course had no resemblance to what you claim it said. You really can't accuse me of not trying to understand what you mean. But the simple fact of the matter is, I have reread that entire article and nowhere does it even remotely indicate that some politician said it went to terrorists. Certainly nothing that I quoted - then removed from a subsequent quote.

honestly why are you playing this pathetic game FD? How hard is it simply to produce the quote yourself?

freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2018 at 7:07pm:
evasive


ah.


That's the beauty of online forums Gandalf. It's all there, like it has been from the very beginning when I pointed it out to you. The only difference is that now you have several pages of Muslim evasiveness in between.
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Just a question, FD. When does the evasion stop being Muslim and start becoming European?
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freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2018 at 9:53pm:
That's the beauty of online forums Gandalf. It's all there, like it has been from the very beginning when I pointed it out to you.


Only its not there, and you never pointed it out - you merely claimed it was there.

The proof that its not there is your continued refusal to simply show us the quote.

So cutting out the bullshit here - I've gone back over the thread, and this is what FD is talking about:

This is my first quote (and post) - reply#10:
Quote:
Australia sends about $10 million in aid to Palestine territories. It will now direct its funds through the United Nations.


Quote:
s Bishop said she was confident no Australian funds had been used inappropriately.

"I am confident that previous Australian funding to the PA through the World Bank has been used as intended," she said in a statement.

"However, I am concerned that in providing funds for this aspect of the PA's operations, there is an opportunity for it to use its own budget to [fund] activities that Australia would never support."


to which FD replied:
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Read your own quote. We put $10 million into the Palestinian Authority's bank account. They withdraw a 'different' $10 million to give to terrorists.


Thats obviously absurd, no sane person could possibly interpret that from "reading my own quote". But wait it gets weird from here.

After questioning him about how he got this claim from what I quoted, he replied:

Quote:
It's in the bit you deleted from the quote.


and then...

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I am not going to explain something to you that only needs explaining because you deleted it from the post you quoted.


I deleted what exactly? Do you mean
a) I went in and edited something out after I posted it?
b) I requoted something I quoted before - but ommitted some part of the original? (definitely not true - as I had only posted one quote up to that time)
c) I simply left out something incriminating in the one quote I posted from the OP article?

So straight away we can rule out b) - since I had only made one post with a quote at the time FD made the above allegations.

As for a) and c), they are effectively one in the same thing - as both suggests there must be something from the OP article that I "deleted" that explains how 10 million was going to the terrorists.

And yet curiously, in FD's initial reply - in reply#14 - he made no mention of anything being "deleted" - and indeed clearly suggests that all the "evidence" he needs exists in what I posted:

Quote:
Read your own quote. We put $10 million into the Palestinian Authority's bank account. They withdraw a 'different' $10 million to give to terrorists.


"Read my own quote" FD - thats what you said. Clearly you had no reliance on any mysteriously "deleted" quote to make your point.

Help me out here FD - I'm *REALLY* trying hard not to be an evasive muslim - I'm simply laying out the facts to demonstrate how little sense you are making. There is no other way of interpreting your first reply#14 FD - the claim "We put $10 million into the Palestinian Authority's bank account. They withdraw a 'different' $10 million to give to terrorists"  - can only come from what I quoted in reply#10. And I think even you agree this is a patently absurd interpretation to make.

No wonder you won't even attempt to explain this bizarre and utterly ridiculous interpretation, and instead resort to your usual idiotic wriggly worm routine. Maybe you misread the quote the first time - maybe you misread "territories" for "terrorists" or something silly like that  - and now you are too embarassed to simply own up to that. Who knows.
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Reply #86 - Aug 3rd, 2018 at 12:38pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:51pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2018 at 12:25pm:
Read your own quote. We put $10 million into the Palestinian Authority's bank account. They withdraw a 'different' $10 million to give to terrorists.

Muslim accounting.


Sorry FD, would you mind pointing out where in my quote it says they withdraw $10 million to give to the terrorists? I must have missed that. Its possible its in the same place as where the ABC prove that "muslims are lazy".


It's in the bit you deleted from the quote.


Are you still confused about what I was referring to Gandalf? Hint: you deleted after hitting the quote button.
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Mattyfisk wrote on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 3:32am:
Just a question, FD. When does the evasion stop being Muslim and start becoming European?


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polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 11:33am:
freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2018 at 9:53pm:
That's the beauty of online forums Gandalf. It's all there, like it has been from the very beginning when I pointed it out to you.


Only its not there, and you never pointed it out - you merely claimed it was there.

The proof that its not there is your continued refusal to simply show us the quote.

So cutting out the bullshit here - I've gone back over the thread, and this is what FD is talking about:

This is my first quote (and post) - reply#10:
Quote:
Australia sends about $10 million in aid to Palestine territories. It will now direct its funds through the United Nations.


Quote:
s Bishop said she was confident no Australian funds had been used inappropriately.

"I am confident that previous Australian funding to the PA through the World Bank has been used as intended," she said in a statement.

"However, I am concerned that in providing funds for this aspect of the PA's operations, there is an opportunity for it to use its own budget to [fund] activities that Australia would never support."


to which FD replied:
Quote:
Read your own quote. We put $10 million into the Palestinian Authority's bank account. They withdraw a 'different' $10 million to give to terrorists.


Thats obviously absurd, no sane person could possibly interpret that from "reading my own quote". But wait it gets weird from here.

After questioning him about how he got this claim from what I quoted, he replied:

Quote:
It's in the bit you deleted from the quote.


and then...

Quote:
I am not going to explain something to you that only needs explaining because you deleted it from the post you quoted.


I deleted what exactly? Do you mean
a) I went in and edited something out after I posted it?
b) I requoted something I quoted before - but ommitted some part of the original? (definitely not true - as I had only posted one quote up to that time)
c) I simply left out something incriminating in the one quote I posted from the OP article?

So straight away we can rule out b) - since I had only made one post with a quote at the time FD made the above allegations.

As for a) and c), they are effectively one in the same thing - as both suggests there must be something from the OP article that I "deleted" that explains how 10 million was going to the terrorists.

And yet curiously, in FD's initial reply - in reply#14 - he made no mention of anything being "ists in what I posted:

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Read your own quote. We put $10 million into the Palestinian Authority's bank account. They withdraw a 'different' $10 million to give to terrorists.


"Read my own quote" FD - thats what you said. Clearly you had no reliance on any mysteriously "deleted" quote to make your point.

Help me out here FD - I'm *REALLY* trying hard not to be an evasive muslim - I'm simply laying out the facts to demonstrate how little sense you are making. There is no other way of interpreting your first reply#14 FD - the claim "We put $10 million into the Palestinian Authority's bank account. They withdraw a 'different' $10 million to give to terrorists"  - can only come from what I quoted in reply#10. And I think even you agree this is a patently absurd interpretation to make.

No wonder you won't even attempt to explain this bizarre and utterly ridiculous interpretation, and instead resort to your usual idiotic wriggly worm routine. Maybe you misread the quote the first time - maybe you misread "territories" for "terrorists" or something silly like that  - and now you are too embarassed to simply own up to that. Who knows.


Oh, FD knows what he's doing, G. It's called a porkie - one to be used against the Muslims and their apologists. For FD, this is a perfectly legitimate use of fakery. He's put the discussion of sustainable fishing and carbon taxes on hold until you agree with his porkies about the Muselman. Once we all agree to kick you people out (the tinted ones, anyway), FD will be able to tell the truth again.
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Reply #89 - Aug 3rd, 2018 at 3:15pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 12:38pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:51pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2018 at 12:25pm:
Read your own quote. We put $10 million into the Palestinian Authority's bank account. They withdraw a 'different' $10 million to give to terrorists.

Muslim accounting.


Sorry FD, would you mind pointing out where in my quote it says they withdraw $10 million to give to the terrorists? I must have missed that. Its possible its in the same place as where the ABC prove that "muslims are lazy".


It's in the bit you deleted from the quote.


Are you still confused about what I was referring to Gandalf? Hint: you deleted after hitting the quote button.


Super confused FD.

Did you mean I deleted it "after hitting the post button"?

If so, as site administrator I assume you have the logs of what was deleted. Can you show us? I honestly can't remember deleting anything, and I don't know why you would expect me to - being nearly a month since I posted it.

Also why did you go from "Read your own quote" in your first reply - to err actually "It's in the bit you deleted from the quote". Are you saying I deleted the incriminating part sometime between me posting post#10 and your next reply? Well we know thats not true - as there is no  "last edited by gandalf on.." note on post#10. So if thats not the case - what do we have left? Was your reply#14 actually referring to something that was already deleted - even though you made no mention of anything deleted, and indeed stated clearly "Read your own [presumably undeleted] quote"?

This is not gandalf the evasive muslim FD - surely even you can see this is reeeeeally confusing - and you are not helping by refusing to explain anything other than through cryptic clues.
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Reply #90 - Aug 3rd, 2018 at 6:03pm
 
No speaka da English, eh?

Why should FD have to trawl through your edits?

Come now, G, you might as well be asking FD if he upholds the use of porkies in his campaign against the Muselman.

And we all know the answer to that one, no?
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polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 3:15pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 12:38pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:51pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2018 at 12:25pm:
Read your own quote. We put $10 million into the Palestinian Authority's bank account. They withdraw a 'different' $10 million to give to terrorists.

Muslim accounting.


Sorry FD, would you mind pointing out where in my quote it says they withdraw $10 million to give to the terrorists? I must have missed that. Its possible its in the same place as where the ABC prove that "muslims are lazy".


It's in the bit you deleted from the quote.


Are you still confused about what I was referring to Gandalf? Hint: you deleted after hitting the quote button.


Super confused FD.

Did you mean I deleted it "after hitting the post button"?

If so, as site administrator I assume you have the logs of what was deleted. Can you show us? I honestly can't remember deleting anything, and I don't know why you would expect me to - being nearly a month since I posted it.

Also why did you go from "Read your own quote" in your first reply - to err actually "It's in the bit you deleted from the quote". Are you saying I deleted the incriminating part sometime between me posting post#10 and your next reply? Well we know thats not true - as there is no  "last edited by gandalf on.." note on post#10. So if thats not the case - what do we have left? Was your reply#14 actually referring to something that was already deleted - even though you made no mention of anything deleted, and indeed stated clearly "Read your own [presumably undeleted] quote"?

This is not gandalf the evasive muslim FD - surely even you can see this is reeeeeally confusing - and you are not helping by refusing to explain anything other than through cryptic clues.


You hit the quote button. This quotes the entire post. You then deleted the relevant bits - the quotes from the politician that were originally posted by you, and that I refer you to. These make it bleeding obvious what I was referring to. Then you spent several pages pretending not to know what I was referring to and pretending that the statements from the politician that you yourself originally posted to not support what I said.

It was typical Muslim evasiveness.
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Reply #92 - Aug 3rd, 2018 at 11:51pm
 
Here's an idea, FD: why don't you post the bits G cunningly edited out?

You could wipe that smirk off the Muslim's face with one quote - you know, the bleedingly obvious one.

Go on, give us all a chuckle.

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He wouldn't learn anything if I did it all for him. He'd probably just delete it again and do another 'please explain'.
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He wouldn't learn anything if I did it all for him. He'd probably just delete it again and do another 'please explain'.


Good point. He's devious, that's for sure.

Perhaps you could summarise the quote for us. You know, just give us the gist. He won't delete that.
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I just quoted the summary. With links.
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freediver wrote on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 6:43pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 3:15pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 12:38pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:51pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2018 at 12:25pm:
Read your own quote. We put $10 million into the Palestinian Authority's bank account. They withdraw a 'different' $10 million to give to terrorists.

Muslim accounting.


Sorry FD, would you mind pointing out where in my quote it says they withdraw $10 million to give to the terrorists? I must have missed that. Its possible its in the same place as where the ABC prove that "muslims are lazy".


It's in the bit you deleted from the quote.


Are you still confused about what I was referring to Gandalf? Hint: you deleted after hitting the quote button.


Super confused FD.

Did you mean I deleted it "after hitting the post button"?

If so, as site administrator I assume you have the logs of what was deleted. Can you show us? I honestly can't remember deleting anything, and I don't know why you would expect me to - being nearly a month since I posted it.

Also why did you go from "Read your own quote" in your first reply - to err actually "It's in the bit you deleted from the quote". Are you saying I deleted the incriminating part sometime between me posting post#10 and your next reply? Well we know thats not true - as there is no  "last edited by gandalf on.." note on post#10. So if thats not the case - what do we have left? Was your reply#14 actually referring to something that was already deleted - even though you made no mention of anything deleted, and indeed stated clearly "Read your own [presumably undeleted] quote"?

This is not gandalf the evasive muslim FD - surely even you can see this is reeeeeally confusing - and you are not helping by refusing to explain anything other than through cryptic clues.


You hit the quote button. This quotes the entire post. You then deleted the relevant bits - the quotes from the politician that were originally posted by you, and that I refer you to. These make it bleeding obvious what I was referring to. Then you spent several pages pretending not to know what I was referring to and pretending that the statements from the politician that you yourself originally posted to not support what I said.

It was typical Muslim evasiveness.


cryptic FD still wants to play his childish games.

You are not helping FD, apart from apparently satisfying some bizarre fetish of yours to evade by confusing.

Just quote the damn thing I allegedly deleted can you?

I still have no idea what you are talking about, and I have no idea why you would expect me to with this cryptic nonsense. The only thing I quoted was the ABC article in the OP. I have read and reread it several times - nowhere, repeat *NOWHERE* does it say $10 million are given to terrorists.

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Seriously, do you have any idea how absurd this sounds - after your childish shenanigans to do anything but clearly explain what I've been asking for over a month? And no, by "clearly explain" I don't mean lead me up the garden path with this idiotic "just quote the quote you quoted and then deleted over a month ago". I mean just quote the damn quote to support the claim you made in reply#14. Here, I'll even post the entire article, unedited if it helps - just highlight the part where it says "We put $10 million into the Palestinian Authority's bank account. They withdraw a 'different' $10 million to give to terrorists."
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entire quote doesn't fit on previous post. Here you go FD, please get out the crayons for me...

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Australia ends direct aid to Palestinian Authority

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-02/australia-ends-direct-aid-to-palestinian-authority/9932828

Australia has ceased providing direct aid to the Palestinian Authority (PA), with Foreign Minister Julie Bishop saying the donations could increase the self-governing body's capacity to pay Palestinians convicted of politically motivated violence.

Ms Bishop said funding was cut to the World Bank's Multi-Donor Trust Fund for the Palestinian Recovery and Development Program after writing to the Palestinian Authority in late May seeking assurance that Australian funding was not going to Palestinian criminals.

Australia sends about $10 million in aid to Palestine territories. It will now direct its funds through the United Nations.

Concerns have been raised by some Coalition politicians, including backbencher Eric Abetz, that the money sent through the World Bank had gone towards funding violence in the region.

Ms Bishop said she was confident no Australian funds had been used inappropriately.

"I am confident that previous Australian funding to the PA through the World Bank has been used as intended," she said in a statement.

"However, I am concerned that in providing funds for this aspect of the PA's operations, there is an opportunity for it to use its own budget to [fund] activities that Australia would never support."

"Any assistance provided by the Palestine Liberation Organisation to those convicted of politically motivated violence is an affront to Australian values and undermines the prospect of meaningful peace between Israel and the Palestinians," she added.

Australia allocated $43 million for humanitarian assistance in the region for the current fiscal year, which began on July 1.

Australia following US lead

In March, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu praised the US Government for passing a law that suspended some financial aid to the Palestinians over the stipends paid to families of Palestinians killed or jailed in fighting with Israel.

Mr Netanyahu said the Taylor Force Act, named after an American killed in Israel by a Palestinian in 2016, a "powerful signal by the US that changes the rules" by cutting "hundreds of millions of dollars for the Palestinian Authority that they invest in encouraging terrorism".

The Palestinians say the families are victims of violence.

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Palestinian official Nabil Abu Rdeneh condemned the law, saying it did not "allow for the creation of an atmosphere conducive to peace".

Mr Abetz welcomed Ms Bishop's decision.

"Minister Bishop's strong and decisive decision today to ensure that the Palestinian Authority can no longer use our aid to free up money in its budget for state-promoted terrorism is very positive," Mr Abetz said.

"It is vital that we ensure that our foreign aid is not being spent on, or making money available for, the promotion of terrorism and so funnelling our aid to the Palestinian Territories through the United Nations will provide greater assurance that the Palestinian Authority's clever accounting cannot occur," he added.

Ms Bishop said the United Nations' Humanitarian Fund helps 1.9 million people, predominately in the Gaza Strip where the humanitarian situation continues to deteriorate.
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Reply #99 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 11:59am
 
As you said FD in reply#14 "Read your own quote" - which apparently reveals your claim that "We put $10 million into the Palestinian Authority's bank account. They withdraw a 'different' $10 million to give to terrorists."

Well, "my own quote" (which by that you apparently didn't actually mean "my own quote" - but the entire article from which my quote came from - correct?) - is posted above. *CLEARLY* nowhere does it say anything remotely related to what you claim about the $10 million going to terrorists.

So what happened FD? You clearly screwed up - and thats ok, we all do it. But if you could just explain what you really meant, that will clear up a lot of confusion. Thanks.
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Well, "my own quote" (which by that you apparently didn't actually mean "my own quote" - but the entire article from which my quote came from - correct?)


No Gandalf. Again, if you had not deleted it when quoting my post it would have been obvious, and it is still obvious, and it is still there if you follow the links back, and you still refuse to quote the same extract you did previously.
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Reply #101 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 1:46pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 12:26pm:
you still refuse to quote the same extract you did previously.


If you are still confused, its there in post# 10. Would you like me to requote post# 10 for you again? That, by the way, is the quote you quoted in post# 14 when you claimed $10 million went to terrorists.

You are rambling incoherent nonsense. You cannot even clearly explain what it is I allegedly quoted and deleted, and then have the spunk to say its all so very obvious, and that in fact its me who's being evasive! Why? Well its obvious why, because we both know nowhere does it say in anything I quoted (or deleted) that $10 million was given to terrorists, and you are doing your usual "round and round the garden" routine to avoid this.

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See, it's not quite so confusing is it Gandalf?
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freediver wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 7:37pm:
See, it's not quite so confusing is it Gandalf?


Your right FD - not confusing at all that you are pathetically resorting to childish cryptic games to deflect from the fact that nowhere in anything I quoted - deleted or otherwise - is there anything remotely mentioning that $10 million was given to terrorists.

We are all crystal clear on that.
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Reply #105 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:21pm
 
It's not a cryptic game Gandalf. It is 7 pages of you doing the me no speaka da english routine - until you probably genuinely forgot what you are obfuscating on.
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Reply #106 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 9:40pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:21pm:
It's not a cryptic game Gandalf. It is 7 pages of you doing the me no speaka da english routine - until you probably genuinely forgot what you are obfuscating on.


Good point, FD. Can I ask what this thread's actually about again?

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freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:21pm:
It's not a cryptic game Gandalf. It is 7 pages of you doing the me no speaka da english routine - until you probably genuinely forgot what you are obfuscating on.


Not cryptic eh?

Lets put that to the test:

FD, please provide us the quote that I apparently deleted that says $10 million went to terrorists.

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So after 8 pages of me telling you to produce the quotes you deleted from the post, because they are more than sufficient to clear up any confusion you are pretending to have, you now demand I produce them, after you just listed the post numbers they are in?
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Reply #109 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 1:56pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 1:28pm:
So after 8 pages of me telling you to produce the quotes you deleted from the post,


I produced the quote you asked in post#85 FD.

Oh you know what - here it is again:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
[quote]Australia sends about $10 million in aid to Palestine territories. It will now direct its funds through the United Nations.




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Ms Bishop said she was confident no Australian funds had been used inappropriately.

"I am confident that previous Australian funding to the PA through the World Bank has been used as intended," she said in a statement.

"However, I am concerned that in providing funds for this aspect of the PA's operations, there is an opportunity for it to use its own budget to [fund] activities that Australia would never support."


Let me guess - something is somehow "deleted" from there? No worries, I'll post the *ENTIRE* article - so you can't accuse me of "deleting" anything:

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Australia ends direct aid to Palestinian Authority

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-02/australia-ends-direct-aid-to-palestinian-authority/9932828

Australia has ceased providing direct aid to the Palestinian Authority (PA), with Foreign Minister Julie Bishop saying the donations could increase the self-governing body's capacity to pay Palestinians convicted of politically motivated violence.

Ms Bishop said funding was cut to the World Bank's Multi-Donor Trust Fund for the Palestinian Recovery and Development Program after writing to the Palestinian Authority in late May seeking assurance that Australian funding was not going to Palestinian criminals.

Australia sends about $10 million in aid to Palestine territories. It will now direct its funds through the United Nations.

Concerns have been raised by some Coalition politicians, including backbencher Eric Abetz, that the money sent through the World Bank had gone towards funding violence in the region.

Ms Bishop said she was confident no Australian funds had been used inappropriately.

"I am confident that previous Australian funding to the PA through the World Bank has been used as intended," she said in a statement.

"However, I am concerned that in providing funds for this aspect of the PA's operations, there is an opportunity for it to use its own budget to [fund] activities that Australia would never support."

"Any assistance provided by the Palestine Liberation Organisation to those convicted of politically motivated violence is an affront to Australian values and undermines the prospect of meaningful peace between Israel and the Palestinians," she added.

Australia allocated $43 million for humanitarian assistance in the region for the current fiscal year, which began on July 1.

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Mr Netanyahu said the Taylor Force Act, named after an American killed in Israel by a Palestinian in 2016, a "powerful signal by the US that changes the rules" by cutting "hundreds of millions of dollars for the Palestinian Authority that they invest in encouraging terrorism".

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Palestinian official Nabil Abu Rdeneh condemned the law, saying it did not "allow for the creation of an atmosphere conducive to peace".

Mr Abetz welcomed Ms Bishop's decision.

"Minister Bishop's strong and decisive decision today to ensure that the Palestinian Authority can no longer use our aid to free up money in its budget for state-promoted terrorism is very positive," Mr Abetz said.

"It is vital that we ensure that our foreign aid is not being spent on, or making money available for, the promotion of terrorism and so funnelling our aid to the Palestinian Territories through the United Nations will provide greater assurance that the Palestinian Authority's clever accounting cannot occur," he added.

Ms Bishop said the United Nations' Humanitarian Fund helps 1.9 million people, predominately in the Gaza Strip where the humanitarian situation continues to deteriorate.


Oh wait a minute! Nowhere does it say $10 million was given to terrorists!! How strange FD - you seemed so sure. What could be going on here??

Oh well, at least you can't accuse me of not producing "the quote" again - or can you...?
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Reply #110 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 4:25pm
 
It's in there alright, G, you just have to read between the lines.

FD doesn't want to tell you which part because you won't learn otherwise.

You'll need to find it and quote it yourself. Chop chop.
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You finally found it Gandalf. Well done. Are you less confused now?
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Reply #112 - Aug 13th, 2018 at 1:47pm
 
I told you FD - its not confusing at all that you are desperately deflecting.

Now that I have the quote - can you highlight for me where it says $10 million was given to terrorists? Pretend I'm stupid.
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Reply #113 - Aug 14th, 2018 at 1:20pm
 
What's wrong with the last time I explained what was going on? You know, the time you hit the quote button on a post that had both my explanation and the relevant quotes from the politician, and you decided for some reason to delete the relevant quotes from the politician and then pretend to be confused about what I am talking about?

How about you try again, without deleting the relevant bits, and see if your question answers itself.
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Reply #114 - Aug 14th, 2018 at 2:15pm
 
Don't want to answer the question, eh?

Now why is that, FD?
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freediver wrote on Aug 14th, 2018 at 1:20pm:
What's wrong with the last time I explained what was going on? You know, the time you hit the quote button on a post that had both my explanation and the relevant quotes from the politician, and you decided for some reason to delete the relevant quotes from the politician and then pretend to be confused about what I am talking about?

How about you try again, without deleting the relevant bits, and see if your question answers itself.


Even for you, this is quite an elaborate deflection ruse.

I'll take this as confirmation you are unable to locate any quote of mine - deleted or otherwise - which says that $10 million of Australian aid was given to terrorists
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Reply #116 - Aug 14th, 2018 at 7:54pm
 
Gandalf, based on your behaviour in this thread, would it be reasonable for the government to distrust Muslims in general with government funds?
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Reply #117 - Aug 14th, 2018 at 8:39pm
 
Who trusts Muslims?

Not EVEN Muslims, who know them most. BECAUSE they know them most.




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Reply #118 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 11:50am
 
Perhaps Frank knows - Frank do you see the part in the OP article that says $10 million of Australian aid was given to terrorists? FD for some reason won't show me.
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Reply #119 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 11:45pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 11:50am:
Perhaps Frank knows - Frank do you see the part in the OP article that says $10 million of Australian aid was given to terrorists? FD for some reason won't show me.


Yes, but can you show the OP didn't secretly mean that?

That's what FD's asking.
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Reply #120 - Aug 22nd, 2018 at 6:04pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 11:50am:
Perhaps Frank knows - Frank do you see the part in the OP article that says $10 million of Australian aid was given to terrorists? FD for some reason won't show me.

The Palestinian Authority pays $340 mil to the families of terrorists. The Australian Government gave them $10 mil.
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Reply #121 - Aug 22nd, 2018 at 6:28pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 11:50am:
Perhaps Frank knows - Frank do you see the part in the OP article that says $10 million of Australian aid was given to terrorists? FD for some reason won't show me.


I showed you the very first time Gandalf, and you have been doing the evasive Muslim thing ever since. You can neither understand what I said nor what Bishop said.
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Reply #122 - Aug 31st, 2018 at 9:50am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 6:28pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 11:50am:
Perhaps Frank knows - Frank do you see the part in the OP article that says $10 million of Australian aid was given to terrorists? FD for some reason won't show me.


I showed you the very first time Gandalf, and you have been doing the evasive Muslim thing ever since. You can neither understand what I said nor what Bishop said.


You showed me Bishop saying she was concerned there was an "opportunity" for the aid to go to terrorists - but nonetheless clearly expressed her confidence that it didn't.

You twist her words into saying the aid definitely did go to terrorists - ie nothing remotely close to what was actually said.

You lied - and then indulged yourself in a pathetic ad-hominem campaign to dodge this simple fact.

Thats really all there is to it FD.
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Reply #123 - Aug 31st, 2018 at 12:36pm
 
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You showed me Bishop saying she was concerned there was an "opportunity" for the aid to go to terrorists - but nonetheless clearly expressed her confidence that it didn't.


That is not what she said Gandalf. What she was concerned about happening, and what she was certain did not happen, are two different things.
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Reply #124 - Aug 31st, 2018 at 12:55pm
 
Thats exactly what she said FD. Here is the quote again:

""I am confident that previous Australian funding to the PA through the World Bank has been used as intended," she said in a statement.

"However, I am concerned that in providing funds for this aspect of the PA's operations, there is an opportunity for it to use its own budget to [fund] activities that Australia would never support.""

So I think we're now reduced to the argument that "used as intended" really means "given to terrorists" - and our own foreign minister would literally mean this, and she would be perfectly ok with it - correct? Please confirm this is the level of sheer stupidity we are now at.
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Reply #125 - Aug 31st, 2018 at 3:02pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 31st, 2018 at 12:55pm:
Please confirm this is the level of sheer stupidity we are now at.


Excuse me, G, FD has been asking you to confirm that.

He said he's doing it for your own good.
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Reply #126 - Sep 1st, 2018 at 12:50am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 31st, 2018 at 12:55pm:
Thats exactly what she said FD. Here is the quote again:

""I am confident that previous Australian funding to the PA through the World Bank has been used as intended," she said in a statement.

"However, I am concerned that in providing funds for this aspect of the PA's operations, there is an opportunity for it to use its own budget to [fund] activities that Australia would never support.""

So I think we're now reduced to the argument that "used as intended" really means "given to terrorists" - and our own foreign minister would literally mean this, and she would be perfectly ok with it - correct? Please confirm this is the level of sheer stupidity we are now at.


What do you think is the distinction Bishop is making Gandalf?
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Re: Govt cutting foreign aid to Palestinian terrorists
Reply #127 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 8:55am
 
No distinction FD. She is saying a) she is concerned there is an opportunity to use the aid inappropriately and b) she is nonetheless confident that it wasn't being used inappropriately.

Its that simple FD. You dishonestly twist these words into her saying it definitely did happen. thats all there is to it.
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Reply #128 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 10:49am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 8:55am:
No distinction FD. She is saying a) she is concerned there is an opportunity to use the aid inappropriately and b) she is nonetheless confident that it wasn't being used inappropriately.

Its that simple FD. You dishonestly twist these words into her saying it definitely did happen. thats all there is to it.


We haven't discussed the bleedingly obvious yet. Bishop was acting under orders from the far-right in the Liberal Party - the very ones who've been holding it to ransom since Abbott was evicted.

This is a Trump policy, one designed to starve out the Palestinians and force them to submit to Israel. It represents the winding back of the UN's two-state solution.

Israel is central to the global agenda of the far-right. It's existential. For the Bible Beltists, it fits in to an apocalyptic narrative. For the neo-cons, Israel is the front line in the clash of civilisations. For the Trumpists, it's about overturning an Obama policy.
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Reply #129 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 11:23am
 
To be fair, the money is not being cut, merely redirected from the World Bank Fund into the UN. Supposedly anyway...
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Reply #130 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 12:05pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 11:23am:
To be fair, the money is not being cut, merely redirected from the World Bank Fund into the UN. Supposedly anyway...


Really? I thought they were redirecting it from the Palestinians to the Israelis.
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Reply #131 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 1:07pm
 
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Ms Bishop said funding was cut to the World Bank's Multi-Donor Trust Fund for the Palestinian Recovery and Development Program after writing to the Palestinian Authority in late May seeking assurance that Australian funding was not going to Palestinian criminals.

Australia sends about $10 million in aid to Palestine territories. It will now direct its funds through the United Nations.
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Reply #132 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 1:18pm
 
Sure, but I was reading between the lines too. I thought redirecting the money through the UN meant giving it to Israel.
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Reply #133 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 1:44pm
 
cods wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 9:42am:
they receive billions in foreign aid....

why would they want the conflict to end?????...




Exactly!
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