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Reply #375 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:40pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:38pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:30pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:54am:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:27am:
very lucky for these boys that they werent trapped in a cave in oz.

the rescuers would have had to consult with traditional land owners before commencing the operation.
the rescuers would have had to get OH and S specialists in who would have identified numerous slip hazards and cluttered the cave with yellow signs.
the greens would have refused to allow deisel generators to run the pumps
the greens would have declared that an environmental impact study had to be done before the water could be discharged
the boys probably didnt have written permission from their parents for the doctor to tend to their wounds
the rescuers would have spent several weeks getting the police clearances to work with children
You are implying that red tape aimed at safety precautions would prevented such a  rescue happening. Can you think of a single circumstance where this has been so?



STATE Emergency Service volunteers fear state government red tape will prevent them from responding to emergencies as a safety scheme begins in October.
The SES Volunteers Association has complained that when they are reclassified as "workers" in the Workers Rehabilitation and Compensation Act, work safety rules will limit the number of hours they can be on rescue duties.

Association chairman Warren Hicks said to protect workers from fatigue-related accidents, SafeWork SA limited the number of hours of continuous work to 12 within a 24-hour period.


"Under the changes with their fatigue management, it doesn't take into account volunteer work, so I can be at my paid job for eight hours and, with another four hours volunteering, I am up to the 12-hour limit for the day."

A SafeWork SA spokeswoman said there were existing fatigue protections for volunteers and the new rules would give them the same protections as paid workers.

Mr Hicks said this would mean if an SES volunteer had done an eight-hour work day, they might not be able to respond to an emergency because it would put them over a 12-hour limit during any 24-hour period.



So you want rescue guys going 24 hours straight?



How many hours straight did the seals and the Australian anaesthetist who stayed with the boys do?




Not sure, but it would not have been 24 hours straight. They rested in between doing each batch of kids and rotated with the boys in the cave.
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Reply #376 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 3:01pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:38pm:
How many hours straight did the seals and the Australian anaesthetist who stayed with the boys do?




The official who led the Thai cave rescue says the medic and three Thai navy SEAL divers who stayed with the trapped boys after they were found have left the flooded cave.


among the last to leave....I think the medic must be Dr Harris...
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Reply #377 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 3:14pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:40pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:38pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:30pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:54am:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:27am:
very lucky for these boys that they werent trapped in a cave in oz.

the rescuers would have had to consult with traditional land owners before commencing the operation.
the rescuers would have had to get OH and S specialists in who would have identified numerous slip hazards and cluttered the cave with yellow signs.
the greens would have refused to allow deisel generators to run the pumps
the greens would have declared that an environmental impact study had to be done before the water could be discharged
the boys probably didnt have written permission from their parents for the doctor to tend to their wounds
the rescuers would have spent several weeks getting the police clearances to work with children
You are implying that red tape aimed at safety precautions would prevented such a  rescue happening. Can you think of a single circumstance where this has been so?



STATE Emergency Service volunteers fear state government red tape will prevent them from responding to emergencies as a safety scheme begins in October.
The SES Volunteers Association has complained that when they are reclassified as "workers" in the Workers Rehabilitation and Compensation Act, work safety rules will limit the number of hours they can be on rescue duties.

Association chairman Warren Hicks said to protect workers from fatigue-related accidents, SafeWork SA limited the number of hours of continuous work to 12 within a 24-hour period.


"Under the changes with their fatigue management, it doesn't take into account volunteer work, so I can be at my paid job for eight hours and, with another four hours volunteering, I am up to the 12-hour limit for the day."

A SafeWork SA spokeswoman said there were existing fatigue protections for volunteers and the new rules would give them the same protections as paid workers.

Mr Hicks said this would mean if an SES volunteer had done an eight-hour work day, they might not be able to respond to an emergency because it would put them over a 12-hour limit during any 24-hour period.



So you want rescue guys going 24 hours straight?



How many hours straight did the seals and the Australian anaesthetist who stayed with the boys do?




Not sure, but it would not have been 24 hours straight. They rested in between doing each batch of kids and rotated with the boys in the cave.



The Australian team also included six Australian Federal Police divers, a navy clearance diver and members of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade Crisis Rescue Team.

"Our people spent 75 hours in that cave," AFP Commander Glen McEwen said.


hmmm, it appears they did a bit more then the 12 hours.
notify safework SA.
this doctor is a rogue  Cheesy Cheesy
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Re: Thai kids stuck in a cave
Reply #378 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 3:21pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 3:14pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:40pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:38pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:30pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:54am:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:27am:
very lucky for these boys that they werent trapped in a cave in oz.

the rescuers would have had to consult with traditional land owners before commencing the operation.
the rescuers would have had to get OH and S specialists in who would have identified numerous slip hazards and cluttered the cave with yellow signs.
the greens would have refused to allow deisel generators to run the pumps
the greens would have declared that an environmental impact study had to be done before the water could be discharged
the boys probably didnt have written permission from their parents for the doctor to tend to their wounds
the rescuers would have spent several weeks getting the police clearances to work with children
You are implying that red tape aimed at safety precautions would prevented such a  rescue happening. Can you think of a single circumstance where this has been so?



STATE Emergency Service volunteers fear state government red tape will prevent them from responding to emergencies as a safety scheme begins in October.
The SES Volunteers Association has complained that when they are reclassified as "workers" in the Workers Rehabilitation and Compensation Act, work safety rules will limit the number of hours they can be on rescue duties.

Association chairman Warren Hicks said to protect workers from fatigue-related accidents, SafeWork SA limited the number of hours of continuous work to 12 within a 24-hour period.


"Under the changes with their fatigue management, it doesn't take into account volunteer work, so I can be at my paid job for eight hours and, with another four hours volunteering, I am up to the 12-hour limit for the day."

A SafeWork SA spokeswoman said there were existing fatigue protections for volunteers and the new rules would give them the same protections as paid workers.

Mr Hicks said this would mean if an SES volunteer had done an eight-hour work day, they might not be able to respond to an emergency because it would put them over a 12-hour limit during any 24-hour period.



So you want rescue guys going 24 hours straight?



How many hours straight did the seals and the Australian anaesthetist who stayed with the boys do?




Not sure, but it would not have been 24 hours straight. They rested in between doing each batch of kids and rotated with the boys in the cave.



The Australian team also included six Australian Federal Police divers, a navy clearance diver and members of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade Crisis Rescue Team.

"Our people spent 75 hours in that cave," AFP Commander Glen McEwen said.


hmmm, it appears they did a bit more then the 12 hours.
notify safework SA.
this doctor is a rogue  Cheesy Cheesy




Ummm that was 75 hours all up, spread over a couple of weeks.  Plus the rules would be different for navy divers and AFP divers.
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Reply #379 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 3:24pm
 
he AFP dive team has specialist dive capabilities with experience conducting searches in zero visibility areas, land search and rescue, and diving in flooded caves. The team travelled from Canberra on Saturday 30 June.

And the kids were pulled out on 10 July.


So in 11 days they did 75 hours in the cave.


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Reply #380 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 3:27pm
 
And I'm hoping you're aware that when they say 12 hours as a limit, what they mean is as a limit in any 24 hour period.
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Reply #381 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 4:47pm
 
I dont care if they only spent 1 hour in there..

they did a beautiful job.. if I was a parent waiting 15 days to see if my child came out alive...without a scratch on them...I would be eternally grateful....
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Reply #382 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 4:54pm
 
It doesn't matter which Country had the "best" divers ... or whether they will get some sort of "award" for doing their job.

It only matters that the little kids and their football coach got out, safely.
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Reply #383 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:56pm
 
oh I thought it was more about oneupmanship JGG..

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Reply #384 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:07pm
 
cods wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:03pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:54am:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:27am:
very lucky for these boys that they werent trapped in a cave in oz.

the rescuers would have had to consult with traditional land owners before commencing the operation.
the rescuers would have had to get OH and S specialists in who would have identified numerous slip hazards and cluttered the cave with yellow signs.
the greens would have refused to allow deisel generators to run the pumps
the greens would have declared that an environmental impact study had to be done before the water could be discharged
the boys probably didnt have written permission from their parents for the doctor to tend to their wounds
the rescuers would have spent several weeks getting the police clearances to work with children
You are implying that red tape aimed at safety precautions would prevented such a  rescue happening. Can you think of a single circumstance where this has been so?




its sarcasm rhino.... m
Really? I would  never have guessed.
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