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Reply #360 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:27am
 
dont know if this has been posted but here is the 4 Corners episode on this rescue- its good


https://iview.abc.net.au/show/four-corners
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Reply #361 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:27am
 
very lucky for these boys that they werent trapped in a cave in oz.

the rescuers would have had to consult with traditional land owners before commencing the operation.
the rescuers would have had to get OH and S specialists in who would have identified numerous slip hazards and cluttered the cave with yellow signs.
the greens would have refused to allow deisel generators to run the pumps
the greens would have declared that an environmental impact study had to be done before the water could be discharged
the boys probably didnt have written permission from their parents for the doctor to tend to their wounds
the rescuers would have spent several weeks getting the police clearances to work with children
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Reply #362 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:27am
 
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Reply #363 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:28am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:27am:
very lucky for these boys that they werent trapped in a cave in oz.

the rescuers would have had to consult with traditional land owners before commencing the operation.
the rescuers would have had to get OH and S specialists in who would have identified numerous slip hazards and cluttered the cave with yellow signs.
the greens would have refused to allow deisel generators to run the pumps
the greens would have declared that an environmental impact study had to be done before the water could be discharged
the boys probably didnt have written permission from their parents for the doctor to tend to their wounds
the rescuers would have spent several weeks getting the police clearances to work with children




Umm, dude, you do realise I volunteer for cave rescue and all of what you just typed is complete and total crap.
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Reply #364 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:30am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:27am:
very lucky for these boys that they werent trapped in a cave in oz.

the rescuers would have had to consult with traditional land owners before commencing the operation.
the rescuers would have had to get OH and S specialists in who would have identified numerous slip hazards and cluttered the cave with yellow signs.
the greens would have refused to allow deisel generators to run the pumps
the greens would have declared that an environmental impact study had to be done before the water could be discharged
the boys probably didnt have written permission from their parents for the doctor to tend to their wounds
the rescuers would have spent several weeks getting the police clearances to work with children

yeah right
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Reply #365 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:35am
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:30am:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:27am:
very lucky for these boys that they werent trapped in a cave in oz.

the rescuers would have had to consult with traditional land owners before commencing the operation.
the rescuers would have had to get OH and S specialists in who would have identified numerous slip hazards and cluttered the cave with yellow signs.
the greens would have refused to allow deisel generators to run the pumps
the greens would have declared that an environmental impact study had to be done before the water could be discharged
the boys probably didnt have written permission from their parents for the doctor to tend to their wounds
the rescuers would have spent several weeks getting the police clearances to work with children

yeah right



Its aqua, so no its completely wrong.
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Reply #366 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:36am
 
PLus I will say that in Australia, its unlikely that such a rescue would ever have been required.
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Reply #367 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:48am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:36am:
PLus I will say that in Australia, its unlikely that such a rescue would ever have been required.

agree- but i wasnt agreeing with aqua- i forgot the sarcastic smiley( this one)---  Roll Eyes
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Reply #368 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:54am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:27am:
very lucky for these boys that they werent trapped in a cave in oz.

the rescuers would have had to consult with traditional land owners before commencing the operation.
the rescuers would have had to get OH and S specialists in who would have identified numerous slip hazards and cluttered the cave with yellow signs.
the greens would have refused to allow deisel generators to run the pumps
the greens would have declared that an environmental impact study had to be done before the water could be discharged
the boys probably didnt have written permission from their parents for the doctor to tend to their wounds
the rescuers would have spent several weeks getting the police clearances to work with children
You are implying that red tape aimed at safety precautions would prevented such a  rescue happening. Can you think of a single circumstance where this has been so?
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Reply #369 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:55am
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:27am:
dont know if this has been posted but here is the 4 Corners episode on this rescue- its good


https://iview.abc.net.au/show/four-corners

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Reply #370 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:01pm
 
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:54am:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:27am:
very lucky for these boys that they werent trapped in a cave in oz.

the rescuers would have had to consult with traditional land owners before commencing the operation.
the rescuers would have had to get OH and S specialists in who would have identified numerous slip hazards and cluttered the cave with yellow signs.
the greens would have refused to allow deisel generators to run the pumps
the greens would have declared that an environmental impact study had to be done before the water could be discharged
the boys probably didnt have written permission from their parents for the doctor to tend to their wounds
the rescuers would have spent several weeks getting the police clearances to work with children
You are implying that red tape aimed at safety precautions would prevented such a  rescue happening. Can you think of a single circumstance where this has been so?



STATE Emergency Service volunteers fear state government red tape will prevent them from responding to emergencies as a safety scheme begins in October.
The SES Volunteers Association has complained that when they are reclassified as "workers" in the Workers Rehabilitation and Compensation Act, work safety rules will limit the number of hours they can be on rescue duties.

Association chairman Warren Hicks said to protect workers from fatigue-related accidents, SafeWork SA limited the number of hours of continuous work to 12 within a 24-hour period.


"Under the changes with their fatigue management, it doesn't take into account volunteer work, so I can be at my paid job for eight hours and, with another four hours volunteering, I am up to the 12-hour limit for the day."

A SafeWork SA spokeswoman said there were existing fatigue protections for volunteers and the new rules would give them the same protections as paid workers.

Mr Hicks said this would mean if an SES volunteer had done an eight-hour work day, they might not be able to respond to an emergency because it would put them over a 12-hour limit during any 24-hour period.
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Reply #371 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:03pm
 
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:54am:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:27am:
very lucky for these boys that they werent trapped in a cave in oz.

the rescuers would have had to consult with traditional land owners before commencing the operation.
the rescuers would have had to get OH and S specialists in who would have identified numerous slip hazards and cluttered the cave with yellow signs.
the greens would have refused to allow deisel generators to run the pumps
the greens would have declared that an environmental impact study had to be done before the water could be discharged
the boys probably didnt have written permission from their parents for the doctor to tend to their wounds
the rescuers would have spent several weeks getting the police clearances to work with children
You are implying that red tape aimed at safety precautions would prevented such a  rescue happening. Can you think of a single circumstance where this has been so?




its sarcasm rhino.... some of the protocol in oz is over the top...lets just hope we never see something like this again   we have to remember they were missing for 10 days...in the dark no food or water to speak of....all credit to their coach   god knows what he told them to comfort them...
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Reply #372 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:30pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:54am:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:27am:
very lucky for these boys that they werent trapped in a cave in oz.

the rescuers would have had to consult with traditional land owners before commencing the operation.
the rescuers would have had to get OH and S specialists in who would have identified numerous slip hazards and cluttered the cave with yellow signs.
the greens would have refused to allow deisel generators to run the pumps
the greens would have declared that an environmental impact study had to be done before the water could be discharged
the boys probably didnt have written permission from their parents for the doctor to tend to their wounds
the rescuers would have spent several weeks getting the police clearances to work with children
You are implying that red tape aimed at safety precautions would prevented such a  rescue happening. Can you think of a single circumstance where this has been so?



STATE Emergency Service volunteers fear state government red tape will prevent them from responding to emergencies as a safety scheme begins in October.
The SES Volunteers Association has complained that when they are reclassified as "workers" in the Workers Rehabilitation and Compensation Act, work safety rules will limit the number of hours they can be on rescue duties.

Association chairman Warren Hicks said to protect workers from fatigue-related accidents, SafeWork SA limited the number of hours of continuous work to 12 within a 24-hour period.


"Under the changes with their fatigue management, it doesn't take into account volunteer work, so I can be at my paid job for eight hours and, with another four hours volunteering, I am up to the 12-hour limit for the day."

A SafeWork SA spokeswoman said there were existing fatigue protections for volunteers and the new rules would give them the same protections as paid workers.

Mr Hicks said this would mean if an SES volunteer had done an eight-hour work day, they might not be able to respond to an emergency because it would put them over a 12-hour limit during any 24-hour period.



So you want rescue guys going 24 hours straight?
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Reply #373 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:34pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:54am:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:27am:
very lucky for these boys that they werent trapped in a cave in oz.

the rescuers would have had to consult with traditional land owners before commencing the operation.
the rescuers would have had to get OH and S specialists in who would have identified numerous slip hazards and cluttered the cave with yellow signs.
the greens would have refused to allow deisel generators to run the pumps
the greens would have declared that an environmental impact study had to be done before the water could be discharged
the boys probably didnt have written permission from their parents for the doctor to tend to their wounds
the rescuers would have spent several weeks getting the police clearances to work with children
You are implying that red tape aimed at safety precautions would prevented such a  rescue happening. Can you think of a single circumstance where this has been so?



STATE Emergency Service volunteers fear state government red tape will prevent them from responding to emergencies as a safety scheme begins in October.
The SES Volunteers Association has complained that when they are reclassified as "workers" in the Workers Rehabilitation and Compensation Act, work safety rules will limit the number of hours they can be on rescue duties.

Association chairman Warren Hicks said to protect workers from fatigue-related accidents, SafeWork SA limited the number of hours of continuous work to 12 within a 24-hour period.


"Under the changes with their fatigue management, it doesn't take into account volunteer work, so I can be at my paid job for eight hours and, with another four hours volunteering, I am up to the 12-hour limit for the day."

A SafeWork SA spokeswoman said there were existing fatigue protections for volunteers and the new rules would give them the same protections as paid workers.

Mr Hicks said this would mean if an SES volunteer had done an eight-hour work day, they might not be able to respond to an emergency because it would put them over a 12-hour limit during any 24-hour period.
Tghat doesnt answer my question which was, You are implying that red tape aimed at safety precautions would prevented such a  rescue happening. Can you think of a single circumstance where this has been so?

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Reply #374 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:38pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:30pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:54am:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:27am:
very lucky for these boys that they werent trapped in a cave in oz.

the rescuers would have had to consult with traditional land owners before commencing the operation.
the rescuers would have had to get OH and S specialists in who would have identified numerous slip hazards and cluttered the cave with yellow signs.
the greens would have refused to allow deisel generators to run the pumps
the greens would have declared that an environmental impact study had to be done before the water could be discharged
the boys probably didnt have written permission from their parents for the doctor to tend to their wounds
the rescuers would have spent several weeks getting the police clearances to work with children
You are implying that red tape aimed at safety precautions would prevented such a  rescue happening. Can you think of a single circumstance where this has been so?



STATE Emergency Service volunteers fear state government red tape will prevent them from responding to emergencies as a safety scheme begins in October.
The SES Volunteers Association has complained that when they are reclassified as "workers" in the Workers Rehabilitation and Compensation Act, work safety rules will limit the number of hours they can be on rescue duties.

Association chairman Warren Hicks said to protect workers from fatigue-related accidents, SafeWork SA limited the number of hours of continuous work to 12 within a 24-hour period.


"Under the changes with their fatigue management, it doesn't take into account volunteer work, so I can be at my paid job for eight hours and, with another four hours volunteering, I am up to the 12-hour limit for the day."

A SafeWork SA spokeswoman said there were existing fatigue protections for volunteers and the new rules would give them the same protections as paid workers.

Mr Hicks said this would mean if an SES volunteer had done an eight-hour work day, they might not be able to respond to an emergency because it would put them over a 12-hour limit during any 24-hour period.



So you want rescue guys going 24 hours straight?



How many hours straight did the seals and the Australian anaesthetist who stayed with the boys do?
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