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Reply #195 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:13pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:44pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:11pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:07pm:
as long as they get out- the Drs can sort out the rest



But they would have breathed in bat droppings that can contain many deadly diseases.


That's terrible! They should have left them in there!


If the schmedia hadn't reported it the volunteer divers would never have responded and they'd still be there today.

Furk off schmedia  Smiley  Smiley
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Reply #196 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:14pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:10pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:44pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:11pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:07pm:
as long as they get out- the Drs can sort out the rest



But they would have breathed in bat droppings that can contain many deadly diseases.


That's terrible! They should have left them in there!



That's why they are being held in isolation.
Maybe they could have infectious diseases including a deadly virus.






https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/08/health/thai-soccer-team-health-impact/index.h...


The hospital also issued a statement, saying the "next step is to make sure those kids and their families are safe because living in a cave has a different environment, which might contain animals that could transmit any disease."
"Anyone that has had contact with the boys, including their close family, will be closely monitored to make sure they are disease free," the hospital said. "They have been informed to call the disease control hot line ... if they have symptoms such as headaches, nausea, muscle plain, or difficulties breathing."
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Reply #197 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:30pm
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:02pm:
Total 8 rescued to date


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Reply #198 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 7:20am
 
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Reply #199 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 7:33am
 
a wonderful story of "hero mythology".
this is why it taps into something deep in our pysche.

now watch the post modern intellectuals

1  call for the coach to be charged
2  have a small army of psychologists ready to make the boys feel 'weak and vulnerable", when they should be paraded before the adoring masses and given medals to make them feel "strong and powerful"
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Reply #200 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:25am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 7:33am:
a wonderful story of "hero mythology".
this is why it taps into something deep in our pysche.

now watch the post modern intellectuals

1  call for the coach to be charged
2  have a small army of psychologists ready to make the boys feel 'weak and vulnerable", when they should be paraded before the adoring masses and given medals to make them feel "strong and powerful"


whats happened has happened.. let it be a warning to others..

Celebrate the successes and move on..

did the diving team have to have a 50% Female ratio in the group with people employed to make sure they get equal pay?  Undecided

was there even one female volunteer that helped in the rescue apart from the ones sending truckloads of thoughts and prayers?
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Reply #202 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 9:48am
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:27am:



yes thank you spot   its very enlightening...

shows me how brave those little boys are.....no way could I do that....to think they cant swim  are weak as hell....... all credit to those divers...I am in awe!!!

I watched the diver and Bullimore rescues  on the edge of my seat......this is up  there..

I think I even saw sunlight yesterday... may the gods keep smiling..
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Reply #203 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 9:52am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 7:33am:
a wonderful story of "hero mythology".
this is why it taps into something deep in our pysche.

now watch the post modern intellectuals

1  call for the coach to be charged
2  have a small army of psychologists ready to make the boys feel 'weak and vulnerable", when they should be paraded before the adoring masses and given medals to make them feel "strong and powerful"



I trust with all my heart you are so wrong..

we dont need people like that at a time like this.

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Reply #204 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:09am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 7:33am:
a wonderful story of "hero mythology".
this is why it taps into something deep in our pysche.

now watch the post modern intellectuals

1  call for the coach to be charged
2  have a small army of psychologists ready to make the boys feel 'weak and vulnerable", when they should be paraded before the adoring masses and given medals to make them feel "strong and powerful"


First thing you have ever posted that I agree with. 

Reading this Thread has been a bit of a revelation.  It seems some people reckon that we all do not have access to the same schmedia reports they do, and there is a race to be the first to post about it here, even using the 'breaking' introduction.

For some, their posts suggest there is some sort of vicarious voyerurism involved.

Is this about observers getting some sort of personal vindication/gratification/justification by coat tailing on the lives and efforts of others?

I still have not got a good grip on what they are doing to make themselves the best most worthy clappers.

It might well be me. I have never been into heroes.....people who simply do their job, or something they love doing for their own satisfaction.

Is this truly 'trauma porn,' and we all are supposed to get off because the 7th Cavalry arrives to do its job?

It's as though they cannot wait to either beat their breasts if there is a death, or to claim personal ownership of any success.

There is something to this, beyond 'trauma porn,' or 'train wreck' gawking. There are people who make this very personal to them, when in fact....nothing they say or do will have any impact whatsoever on success or otherwise, yet they rabbit on desperately wanting some recognition for their personal cheerleading and emotional outpouring.

I do not get it. Might be just a quirk in me, but is how I see it.

I, just like everyone, hope it all turns out well for those trapped and those who are rescuing. That's it. End of emotional commitment.

Some bugger has died.....and he is now not now even mentioned.

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Reply #205 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:38am
 

How imagery and media coverage influence our empathy for strangers

Footage of 12 boys trapped in a cave system in Thailand has inundated our screens in recent days.

An international rescue effort is under way, which includes a team of specialists sent by the Australian government to assist with the safe recovery of the young soccer team. Highlighting the gravity of the situation, a former Thai Navy diver has died after running out of oxygen during rescue efforts.

This is without doubt a frightening situation for the boys and their families. It’s no surprise the situation has received global media attention. Though it does raise some interesting questions about how we extend empathy and concern to people we don’t know.

Why does this tragedy capture the world’s attention, when more long-term issues such as children in detention don’t to the same extent? Research from moral psychology can help us to understand this.

A picture is worth a thousand words

A key reason is simply that we can see the Thai soccer team. We’re watching the rescue effort play out, and we can see the emotions of the boys and their families.

We have seen this kind of viral, blanket coverage of tragic incidents recently. For example, the horrific scenes of children fighting for their lives after the 2017 chemical weapon attacks in Syria. Or the striking image that emerged in June of a small Honduran girl crying as her mother is detained by officials at the US-Mexico border.

By contrast, issues that are arguably no less frightening don’t always generate the same outpouring of concern and sympathy. For example, the more than 200 children held in detention on Nauru and throughout the Australian mainland.

This isn’t to suggest the Australian government shouldn’t aid in international rescue efforts, but we should be equally concerned about the far greater number of children being held indefinitely in Australian detention.

The fact is we have very little access to images of children in detention, as media access to Manus Island and Nauru is heavily restricted. For example, journalists face substantial obstacles if they want to visit our offshore detention centres, and in 2016 the Australian government threatened health-care workers with jail time if they spoke about the conditions they encountered on Nauru and Manus.

We simply aren’t permitted to view the plight of child refugees, and we’re much less likely to experience an empathic response if we can’t see them.

The recent outcry caused by the dramatic footage aboard an Australian live export ship illustrates this perfectly. Most of us would be aware to some extent live export is a cruel practice. But it isn’t until the footage forces us to confront the realities that we create enough momentum to discuss meaningful change.

Time and perspective matters

The perspective we take also makes a huge difference. If we can easily draw comparisons between ourselves and those in need we’re more likely to extend concern and empathy.

Given Australia’s geography and climate, it’s not too difficult for us to imagine our children caught up in a natural disaster. It’s much more difficult for us to imagine our children fleeing their homeland and seeking asylum in a foreign country.

And it’s far easier to extend sympathy to a situation that, one way or another, will reach an end.

Ongoing humanitarian issues such as asylum seekers or food shortages on the African continent feel like immense challenges often placed in the too hard basket. Therefore, these issues fade away in the face of what we consider more pressing matters with more straightforward resolutions.

Language is crucial

The labels we attach are also crucial in determining our response.

For example, in 2016, then prime minister, Tony Abbott referred to asylum seekers as an invading force.

This sort of language is incredibly damaging, because when trying to make sense of a moral injustice we immediately look to identify both a victim and a villain. Suffering without a villain doesn’t always make sense to us – though the villains we choose are often subjective.

There is some fascinating research demonstrating this. For example, throughout the US, belief in God is highest in states where citizens experience the greatest amount of suffering – infant mortality, cancer deaths, natural disasters. This relationship holds after controlling for a range of alternative explanations, such as income and education. God is perceived to be the “villain” responsible for all this senseless suffering.

It’s impossible to label those suffering at the hands of a chemical attack as anything but victims. However, if we perceive asylum seekers as wrongdoers trying to steal some sort of unfair advantage, we’re far less likely to think of them as victims requiring our compassion, meaning it’s far easier to cast them out of our moral circle.

Do we have a moral responsibility to think differently?

Of course we should have sympathy for the soccer team trapped in the cave. But no matter the outcome, the story will disappear from our screens as the next pressing crisis arises.

We should ensure the reality of longer-term problems doesn’t also disappear, having fallen victim to the failings of our moral cognition.

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Reply #206 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:48am
 
ah, see gweg, thats where the left and myself differ.

i see these boys as heroic figures.
its not really about compassion , so much as pride in what humans can endure.'its an inspirational story.

the leftist media (and i presume" the conversation " is part of the leftist ABC) see this story not as one of inspiration and heroic endeavour. they see it more as one of compassion and hand wringing.

and then they ask (quite wrongly in my mind), why australians arent as gripped by the stories of the kids in detention on Naru.

because thats a sad weepie sooky butt hurt cry baby story and these boys are a strong inspirational brave courageous story.

they are totally different and the fact that one draws in the world and one does not is evidence that we NEED inspirational heroic stories to make us brave enough to "move forward".
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Reply #207 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:58am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:48am:
ah, see gweg, thats where the left and myself differ.

i see these boys as heroic figures.
its not really about compassion , so much as pride in what humans can endure.'its an inspirational story.

the leftist media (and i presume" the conversation " is part of the leftist ABC) see this story not as one of inspiration and heroic endeavour. they see it more as one of compassion and hand wringing.

and then they ask (quite wrongly in my mind), why australians arent as gripped by the stories of the kids in detention on Naru.

because thats a sad weepie sooky butt hurt cry baby story and these boys are a strong inspirational brave courageous story.

they are totally different and the fact that one draws in the world and one does not is evidence that we NEED inspirational heroic stories to make us brave enough to "move forward".


Also the kids and their parents can leave Naru anytime they like.


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Reply #208 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 11:00am
 
Well I am not the only person who thinks it is all too beautiful, like Itchycoo Park.

Those haters that harp on about how many thousands and thousands of starving kids could have been saved with a fraction of the money that has been spent on this story are stupid.
Everybody knows that it means NOTHING to just care for people in extremis.
It means everything to be SEEN caring.
If those other kids are too stupid to starve without TV coverage, well firk them, they're just third rate losers. Well, third world corpses by now.

But forget that, on to more important things,  THE MOVIE!!!!, and WHO???? is going to play the lead diver whp dies, and WHO??? plays his heart broken wife? Brad and Jen??? (it could lead to a reunion, GOLD) It is gonna be
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Reply #209 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 11:08am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:48am:
ah, see gweg, thats where the left and myself differ.

i see these boys as heroic figures.
its not really about compassion , so much as pride in what humans can endure.'its an inspirational story.

the leftist media (and i presume" the conversation " is part of the leftist ABC) see this story not as one of inspiration and heroic endeavour. they see it more as one of compassion and hand wringing.

and then they ask (quite wrongly in my mind), why australians arent as gripped by the stories of the kids in detention on Naru.

because thats a sad weepie sooky butt hurt cry baby story and these boys are a strong inspirational brave courageous story.

they are totally different and the fact that one draws in the world and one does not is evidence that we NEED inspirational heroic stories to make us brave enough to "move forward".


What do you think of the "inspirational heroes" fighting without a spotlight for the safety and welfare of children in detention?


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