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Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:02am
 
Polling supports limiting CEO pay packets

New research from the left-leaning Australia Institute has shown 80 per cent of people believe chief executives are paid too much.   Sad
July 1, 2018  News.com.au

Three quarters of Australians believe strict limits should be placed on executive salaries which have almost returned to pre-global financial crisis levels.

New polling from the left-leaning Australia Institute found 80 per cent of people believe the nation's chief executives are paid too much.

The survey asked 1557 people about executive salaries and presented proposals to limit pay packets.

The results showed 75 per cent of those polled supported a strict limit on how much a company can pay a CEO or executive.

Almost 80 per cent supported making companies pay tax on very large payments, like bonuses, to executive staff.

A similar number of respondents supported a new higher rate of income tax for individuals with very large pay packets.

Australia Institute deputy director Ebony Bennett said most people nominated $720,000 a year or less as a reasonable salary for a CEO.

"It is clear the reality of what CEOs are paid is not in line with community expectations," Ms Bennett said.   Sad

Former treasurer Wayne Swan said corporate rules needed to change to bring executive pay under control.


"If you look at what's going on, where basically the top end of town and those on the highest incomes are basically gorging themselves," Mr Swan told the ABC on Sunday. 

He said bad behaviour revealed by the financial royal commission had been driven by the reward and incentive systems in banks' pay structures
New research from the left-leaning Australia Institute has shown 80 per cent of people believe chief executives are paid too much.
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New research from the left-leaning Australia Institute has shown 80 per cent of people believe chief executives are paid too much.


What about shareholders? It's their money going into CEO pockets. Or did you think if the CEO got a pay cut the shareholders would vote to give the money to the poor downtrodden employees?

Money talks, BS walks.
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freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:14am:
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New research from the left-leaning Australia Institute has shown 80 per cent of people believe chief executives are paid too much.


What about shareholders? It's their money going into CEO pockets. Or did you think if the CEO got a pay cut the shareholders would vote to give the money to the poor downtrodden employees?

Money talks, BS walks.



You play the stock market poker machine, you take your losses with your wins.  There is NO guarantee that buying shares will give you endless profit or indeed any profit at all, and no reason for government intervention to help and support shareholders who gamble in this way.

Hence a good reason to do away with franked credits - since this is alleged to be tax money put in the hands of the ATO @30% on behalf of the shareholders, to safeguard it in the event of Gordon Gecko collapsing the company etc, please explain why a government should be safeguarding the investments of business venture shareholders - for business venture is what it is.

Let everyone pay their own tax - the company pays their tax on taxable income, the shareholder pays tax on his/her income - no more arguments and no more cheating.  This move would never have come into play if there were not advantages for shareholders in it, same as trust funds and their obvious rorts.

If shareholders are stupid enough to vote massive pay and bonuses for their employees - it's out of their pocket, besides which, since the vast majority of shares are held by an inner group in any company/corporation, the 'mum and pop' shareholders get no say anyway.

As someone said, it's all an inner circle and mates scratching each other's backs while the story is sold about how they benefit everyone, the nation and the economy.
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Reply #4 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:07am
 
Its not the government,
if a company wants the best CEO they have to compete with other businesses and the CEO's will go with the money. Its like that with any specialty job or anyone in the top of their profession.
Really its not anyone business how much a person get paid in a Company. Wink Wink
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Reply #5 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:26am
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:07am:
Its not the government,
if a company wants the best CEO they have to compete with other businesses and the CEO's will go with the money. Its like that with any specialty job or anyone in the top of their profession.
Really its not anyone business how much a person get paid in a Company. Wink Wink


I actually agree with that but when it is a government dept or a company that is getting handouts like a bank then they should be more responsible with that money.

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DonDeeHippy wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:07am:
Its not the government,
if a company wants the best CEO they have to compete with other businesses and the CEO's will go with the money. Its like that with any specialty job or anyone in the top of their profession.
Really its not anyone business how much a person get paid in a Company. Wink Wink


Once upon a time the chief clerk worked his/her way up through the company and thus knew what the company was all about, rather than having all these high-flown theories about how it should fit into their world.

How come if these CEOs are so good, they are forever changing companies, with the usual result being that the company left goes downhill?

This is like Howard leaving a future estimate called a surplus, after selling off the family jewels, and then his mates complaining how 'the other lot' wasted it when the revenue failed to come in.

The qualification for getting a new management job is to have failed at the one before, and most of these CEO etc clowns couldn't run a corner shop without the government propping up businesses at every turn, including negotiating down to zero their tax liability.

Business have far too much say in how they are handled by government here - they are a minority with a loud voice of endless whining and self-justification.
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I agree with yegraps.
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Reply #8 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 12:56pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:07am:
Its not the government,
if a company wants the best CEO they have to compete with other businesses and the CEO's will go with the money. Its like that with any specialty job or anyone in the top of their profession.
Really its not anyone business how much a person get paid in a Company. Wink Wink

No?,... so why the need to declare salaries for the top brass in the name of alleged social license?
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Reply #9 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 12:59pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:02am:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:14am:
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New research from the left-leaning Australia Institute has shown 80 per cent of people believe chief executives are paid too much.


What about shareholders? It's their money going into CEO pockets. Or did you think if the CEO got a pay cut the shareholders would vote to give the money to the poor downtrodden employees?

Money talks, BS walks.



You play the stock market poker machine, you take your losses with your wins.  There is NO guarantee that buying shares will give you endless profit or indeed any profit at all, and no reason for government intervention to help and support shareholders who gamble in this way.

Hence a good reason to do away with franked credits - since this is alleged to be tax money put in the hands of the ATO @30% on behalf of the shareholders, to safeguard it in the event of Gordon Gecko collapsing the company etc, please explain why a government should be safeguarding the investments of business venture shareholders - for business venture is what it is.

Let everyone pay their own tax - the company pays their tax on taxable income, the shareholder pays tax on his/her income - no more arguments and no more cheating.  This move would never have come into play if there were not advantages for shareholders in it, same as trust funds and their obvious rorts.

If shareholders are stupid enough to vote massive pay and bonuses for their employees - it's out of their pocket, besides which, since the vast majority of shares are held by an inner group in any company/corporation, the 'mum and pop' shareholders get no say anyway.

As someone said, it's all an inner circle and mates scratching each other's backs while the story is sold about how they benefit everyone, the nation and the economy.

In other words: all systems end up as oligarchy!

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mozzaok wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:11am:
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Leftys believe they are morally superior!!!

Got any more blindingly obvious revelations for us?

I thought rightie thought he was morally superior  Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked


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DonDeeHippy wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:07am:
Its not the government,
if a company wants the best CEO they have to compete with other businesses and the CEO's will go with the money. Its like that with any specialty job or anyone in the top of their profession.
Really its not anyone business how much a person get paid in a Company. Wink Wink


BS .... it's every shareholders right to know & every employee & street Joe who can be affected by what that CEO & the executive do.

The current trend makes it look like a  select "boys club" ... where they get the boot from one company & like a bad penny turn up tomorrow in another.

Their productivity bonuses are always for downsizing staff & little else.

Western Govts & industry have learned nothing from the GFC and things are back to normal with these over paid under performing job slashing greedy cretins.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 12:12pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:07am:
Its not the government,
if a company wants the best CEO they have to compete with other businesses and the CEO's will go with the money. Its like that with any specialty job or anyone in the top of their profession.
Really its not anyone business how much a person get paid in a Company. Wink Wink


Once upon a time the chief clerk worked his/her way up through the company and thus knew what the company was all about, rather than having all these high-flown theories about how it should fit into their world.

How come if these CEOs are so good, they are forever changing companies, with the usual result being that the company left goes downhill?

This is like Howard leaving a future estimate called a surplus, after selling off the family jewels, and then his mates complaining how 'the other lot' wasted it when the revenue failed to come in.

The qualification for getting a new management job is to have failed at the one before, and most of these CEO etc clowns couldn't run a corner shop without the government propping up businesses at every turn, including negotiating down to zero their tax liability.

Business have far too much say in how they are handled by government here - they are a minority with a loud voice of endless whining and self-justification.


Exactly Grappler  Smiley
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Reply #13 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 9:15pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:02am:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:14am:
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New research from the left-leaning Australia Institute has shown 80 per cent of people believe chief executives are paid too much.


What about shareholders? It's their money going into CEO pockets. Or did you think if the CEO got a pay cut the shareholders would vote to give the money to the poor downtrodden employees?

Money talks, BS walks.



You play the stock market poker machine, you take your losses with your wins.  There is NO guarantee that buying shares will give you endless profit or indeed any profit at all, and no reason for government intervention to help and support shareholders who gamble in this way.

Hence a good reason to do away with franked credits - since this is alleged to be tax money put in the hands of the ATO @30% on behalf of the shareholders, to safeguard it in the event of Gordon Gecko collapsing the company etc, please explain why a government should be safeguarding the investments of business venture shareholders - for business venture is what it is.

Let everyone pay their own tax - the company pays their tax on taxable income, the shareholder pays tax on his/her income - no more arguments and no more cheating.  This move would never have come into play if there were not advantages for shareholders in it, same as trust funds and their obvious rorts.

If shareholders are stupid enough to vote massive pay and bonuses for their employees - it's out of their pocket, besides which, since the vast majority of shares are held by an inner group in any company/corporation, the 'mum and pop' shareholders get no say anyway.

As someone said, it's all an inner circle and mates scratching each other's backs while the story is sold about how they benefit everyone, the nation and the economy.


We have franking so the government doesn't tax company profits at 30% (on top of all the other company taxes) and then take another 30% to 50% when the profits get passed on to the people who own the company. A company profit and an income of the company owner are basically the same thing.

An added benefit of franking is that Australians have an incentive to invest in local companies, and we tax foreign company owners at the maximum rate.

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Once upon a time the chief clerk worked his/her way up through the company and thus knew what the company was all about, rather than having all these high-flown theories about how it should fit into their world.

How come if these CEOs are so good, they are forever changing companies, with the usual result being that the company left goes downhill?


You do realise that it is the people who own the companies who decide what they CEOs get paid, right? It is coming out of their own pocket.

Money talks, BS walks.
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Reply #14 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:19pm
 
Companies and individuals are separate legal entities - each should pay his own tax.  Easy .....

To do otherwise is using franking to avoid paying company tax while benefiting shareholders.  It the idea of encouraging local investment worked so well, why is Australian business not prospering and developing?

It seems that not only Australian companies can offer franking..... sounds like a furphy to me.... when an offshore company calculates its tax burden here, it often pays zero tax - and there is zero obligation to pay tax on franked dividends.

In that case there are two beneficiaries for nothing, and tax is not paid on money earned.

https://www.asx.com.au/education/investor-update-newsletter/201805-how-franking-...

" If you are on a marginal tax rate greater than 30 per cent, you pay the difference between tax at your marginal rate minus a tax credit at 30 per cent (company rate).
    If you are on a marginal tax rate equal to 30 per cent, you pay no tax on the dividend.
    If you are on a marginal tax rate under 30 per cent, you are reimbursed the tax credit that has not been used."

As this reads, ONLY those on a lower than 30% tax rate receive a dividend - however, it's not that simple - if someone is a PAYE with shares and gets a franked dividend - only that part of income tax which attaches to the extra income from shares cops tax... leaving a dividend.

To get a full franking return cheque, an investor would need to have an income lower than the tax free threshold.  Otherwise a full refund is not applicable, but some may be.

It seems there is too much 'confusion' and fudging of books by many, including trust operators etc, and even SFRs and business people who may (or may not) 'draw' less than the tax free threshold, thus freeing income from dividends from some tax.

Try again - to gain a full refund of that 30% franking, your TOTAL income would need to be below the tax free threshold.... or you are cheating.

Let's try an example:-  Coffee Shoppe Owner Joe Bloggzovic takes $16k pa from his business (laughable - how does he even run his Maserati?), and has franking dividends of $5000, and dividends of $10000.  Therefore Joe's total income is earned income + dividend + dividend imputation = $31000, and he must pay income tax on $12900 @ 19% = $2451 - that tax is taken from his $5000 imputation, leaving a refund of $2549, for a total income of $28451.

It seems, from reports, that this is not the way it is working... but that Joe may be getting full value on dividends and imputation without paying any tax.... if so, blame the ATO under its political masters.

When family etc trusts enter into it, the situation becomes even worse, and that is why such things need to be resolved so that trusts pay tax.
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