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Reply #15 - Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:55pm
 
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Mon-Fri: (8 x 1.0) + (2 x 1.5) + (6 x 2.0) = 23 hours pay for 16 hours work.


On normal week days?  Makes no sense to me.

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How do you rate the sixth day?
(2 x 1.5) x (14 x 2.0) = 31 hours pay for 16 hours work. (correction)


Where does the 2 and the 14 come from?
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Reply #16 - Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:56pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:53pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:48pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:28pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:27pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:24pm:
Seems to me a lot of people are not quite sure what the proper definition of a penalty rate is.   For some, it seems that just turning up on the day is a penalty to their lifestyle choices.


Not sure what you actually mean there.

Penalty rates are paid to workers so as to compensate them for working unsocial hours.


You just exemplified it splendidly, Greggery.  Unsocial hours to whom, exactly?

Damned cats!  Bad as rats!  They'll eat anything that's got some meat on it.  A good bit of listerine ought to help that tongue as long as you're up on your tetanus jabs, Greggery.

Now let's start with the fulltime roster.  Assume a 40hr week because that makes the addups much simpler. 

Mon-Fri: (8 x 1.0) + (2 x 1.5) + (6 x 2.0) = 23 hours pay for 16 hours work.
How do you rate the sixth day? 
(2 x 1.5) x (14 x 2.0) = 31 hours pay for 16 hours work. (correction)

The seventh day is easy.  Double-time all day.

There's the traditional definition of penalty rates.  Any other problems here?


The traditional definition of penalty rates is 'compensation for working unsocial hours'.

Do you support penalty rates?


That's your untraditional opinion.  Do you like addups too, Greggery?  Show me your best arithmetic, like I just did.  You're making this an unsocial hour with your algebra.
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Reply #17 - Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:58pm
 
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:53pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:48pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:28pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:27pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:24pm:
Seems to me a lot of people are not quite sure what the proper definition of a penalty rate is.   For some, it seems that just turning up on the day is a penalty to their lifestyle choices.


Not sure what you actually mean there.

Penalty rates are paid to workers so as to compensate them for working unsocial hours.


You just exemplified it splendidly, Greggery.  Unsocial hours to whom, exactly?

Damned cats!  Bad as rats!  They'll eat anything that's got some meat on it.  A good bit of listerine ought to help that tongue as long as you're up on your tetanus jabs, Greggery.

Now let's start with the fulltime roster.  Assume a 40hr week because that makes the addups much simpler. 

Mon-Fri: (8 x 1.0) + (2 x 1.5) + (6 x 2.0) = 23 hours pay for 16 hours work.
How do you rate the sixth day? 
(2 x 1.5) x (14 x 2.0) = 31 hours pay for 16 hours work. (correction)

The seventh day is easy.  Double-time all day.

There's the traditional definition of penalty rates.  Any other problems here?


The traditional definition of penalty rates is 'compensation for working unsocial hours'.

Do you support penalty rates?


That's your untraditional opinion.  Do you like addups too, Greggery?  Show me your best arithmetic, like I just did.  You're making this an unsocial hour with your algebra.


No.

It's what penalty rates are.

Nothing to do with my opinion.


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Reply #18 - Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:59pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:55pm:
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Mon-Fri: (8 x 1.0) + (2 x 1.5) + (6 x 2.0) = 23 hours pay for 16 hours work.


On normal week days?  Makes no sense to me.

Quote:
How do you rate the sixth day?
(2 x 1.5) x (14 x 2.0) = 31 hours pay for 16 hours work. (correction)


Where does the 2 and the 14 come from?

Those are hours at the two different kinds of penalty rates.  Time & a half and double time.  That is how we addup the penalty rates for a 16 hour day for a fulltimer.
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Reply #19 - Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:00pm
 
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:59pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:55pm:
Quote:
Mon-Fri: (8 x 1.0) + (2 x 1.5) + (6 x 2.0) = 23 hours pay for 16 hours work.


On normal week days?  Makes no sense to me.

Quote:
How do you rate the sixth day?
(2 x 1.5) x (14 x 2.0) = 31 hours pay for 16 hours work. (correction)


Where does the 2 and the 14 come from?

Those are hours at the two different kinds of penalty rates.  Time & a half and double time.  That is how we addup the penalty rates for a 16 hour day for a fulltimer.


You're talking about overtime rates.

Different thing.

We're discussing penalty rates.
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Reply #20 - Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:00pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:58pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:53pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:48pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:28pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:27pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:24pm:
Seems to me a lot of people are not quite sure what the proper definition of a penalty rate is.   For some, it seems that just turning up on the day is a penalty to their lifestyle choices.


Not sure what you actually mean there.

Penalty rates are paid to workers so as to compensate them for working unsocial hours.


You just exemplified it splendidly, Greggery.  Unsocial hours to whom, exactly?

Damned cats!  Bad as rats!  They'll eat anything that's got some meat on it.  A good bit of listerine ought to help that tongue as long as you're up on your tetanus jabs, Greggery.

Now let's start with the fulltime roster.  Assume a 40hr week because that makes the addups much simpler. 

Mon-Fri: (8 x 1.0) + (2 x 1.5) + (6 x 2.0) = 23 hours pay for 16 hours work.
How do you rate the sixth day? 
(2 x 1.5) x (14 x 2.0) = 31 hours pay for 16 hours work. (correction)

The seventh day is easy.  Double-time all day.

There's the traditional definition of penalty rates.  Any other problems here?


The traditional definition of penalty rates is 'compensation for working unsocial hours'.

Do you support penalty rates?


That's your untraditional opinion.  Do you like addups too, Greggery?  Show me your best arithmetic, like I just did.  You're making this an unsocial hour with your algebra.


No.

It's what penalty rates are.

Nothing to do with my opinion.



Yes, I thought so.  Your opinion is that someone who flits in on the weekends between lectures is worth more than someone who has worked the whole week already.
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Reply #21 - Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:01pm
 
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:59pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:55pm:
Quote:
Mon-Fri: (8 x 1.0) + (2 x 1.5) + (6 x 2.0) = 23 hours pay for 16 hours work.


On normal week days?  Makes no sense to me.

Quote:
How do you rate the sixth day?
(2 x 1.5) x (14 x 2.0) = 31 hours pay for 16 hours work. (correction)


Where does the 2 and the 14 come from?

Those are hours at the two different kinds of penalty rates.  Time & a half and double time.  That is how we addup the penalty rates for a 16 hour day for a fulltimer.


Explain exactly what days/hours/rates you are referring to.  I can't make sense if what you have posted.  You'll have to clarify with specifics.
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Reply #22 - Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:02pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:01pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:59pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:55pm:
Quote:
Mon-Fri: (8 x 1.0) + (2 x 1.5) + (6 x 2.0) = 23 hours pay for 16 hours work.


On normal week days?  Makes no sense to me.

Quote:
How do you rate the sixth day?
(2 x 1.5) x (14 x 2.0) = 31 hours pay for 16 hours work. (correction)


Where does the 2 and the 14 come from?

Those are hours at the two different kinds of penalty rates.  Time & a half and double time.  That is how we addup the penalty rates for a 16 hour day for a fulltimer.


Explain exactly what days/hours/rates you are referring to.  I can't make sense if what you have posted.  You'll have to clarify with specifics.

I suggest you read the posts and keep trying until you understand.
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Reply #23 - Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:06pm
 
No....your post makes zero sense.  No matter how long I read it......zero sense.
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Reply #24 - Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:06pm
 
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:58pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:53pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:48pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:28pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:27pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:24pm:
Seems to me a lot of people are not quite sure what the proper definition of a penalty rate is.   For some, it seems that just turning up on the day is a penalty to their lifestyle choices.


Not sure what you actually mean there.

Penalty rates are paid to workers so as to compensate them for working unsocial hours.


You just exemplified it splendidly, Greggery.  Unsocial hours to whom, exactly?

Damned cats!  Bad as rats!  They'll eat anything that's got some meat on it.  A good bit of listerine ought to help that tongue as long as you're up on your tetanus jabs, Greggery.

Now let's start with the fulltime roster.  Assume a 40hr week because that makes the addups much simpler. 

Mon-Fri: (8 x 1.0) + (2 x 1.5) + (6 x 2.0) = 23 hours pay for 16 hours work.
How do you rate the sixth day? 
(2 x 1.5) x (14 x 2.0) = 31 hours pay for 16 hours work. (correction)

The seventh day is easy.  Double-time all day.

There's the traditional definition of penalty rates.  Any other problems here?


The traditional definition of penalty rates is 'compensation for working unsocial hours'.

Do you support penalty rates?


That's your untraditional opinion.  Do you like addups too, Greggery?  Show me your best arithmetic, like I just did.  You're making this an unsocial hour with your algebra.


No.

It's what penalty rates are.

Nothing to do with my opinion.



Yes, I thought so.  Your opinion is that someone who flits in on the weekends between lectures is worth more than someone who has worked the whole week already.


No.

Unsocial hours worked are worth more, not the people.

Penalty rates are compensation for working unsocial hours.

Overtime rates are compensation for working extra hours.

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Reply #25 - Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:09pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:06pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:58pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:53pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:48pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:28pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:27pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:24pm:
Seems to me a lot of people are not quite sure what the proper definition of a penalty rate is.   For some, it seems that just turning up on the day is a penalty to their lifestyle choices.


Not sure what you actually mean there.

Penalty rates are paid to workers so as to compensate them for working unsocial hours.


You just exemplified it splendidly, Greggery.  Unsocial hours to whom, exactly?

Damned cats!  Bad as rats!  They'll eat anything that's got some meat on it.  A good bit of listerine ought to help that tongue as long as you're up on your tetanus jabs, Greggery.

Now let's start with the fulltime roster.  Assume a 40hr week because that makes the addups much simpler. 

Mon-Fri: (8 x 1.0) + (2 x 1.5) + (6 x 2.0) = 23 hours pay for 16 hours work.
How do you rate the sixth day? 
(2 x 1.5) x (14 x 2.0) = 31 hours pay for 16 hours work. (correction)

The seventh day is easy.  Double-time all day.

There's the traditional definition of penalty rates.  Any other problems here?


The traditional definition of penalty rates is 'compensation for working unsocial hours'.

Do you support penalty rates?


That's your untraditional opinion.  Do you like addups too, Greggery?  Show me your best arithmetic, like I just did.  You're making this an unsocial hour with your algebra.


No.

It's what penalty rates are.

Nothing to do with my opinion.



Yes, I thought so.  Your opinion is that someone who flits in on the weekends between lectures is worth more than someone who has worked the whole week already.


No.

Unsocial hours worked are worth more, not the people.

Penalty rates are compensation for working unsocial hours.

Overtime rates are compensation for working extra hours.


EXTRA HOURS !!!

I'd give you a blue star for that one if I was your grade 3 teacher, Greggerry.

Under what circumstances would you consider someone's extra hours to be unsocial in the context of gainful employment?
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Reply #26 - Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:11pm
 
Start a business yourself and just employ untrained, gender non-specific people, at double time, all the time.
Refuse to take the tax cut, and demand to pay the extra 5%.
They will love you for the great caring boss you will be, and work twice as hard to support you, so you can afford it.
You can have them teach English to the "refugee" family you took into your home, to show your support for human rights and multiculturalism.
Come on, get behind your beliefs with more than BS.
You could start doing tinny runs to indo, bring back one family at a time, really get the whole boat routes humming again, to show Bill your support.

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Reply #27 - Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:12pm
 
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:09pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:06pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:58pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:53pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:48pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:28pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:27pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:24pm:
Seems to me a lot of people are not quite sure what the proper definition of a penalty rate is.   For some, it seems that just turning up on the day is a penalty to their lifestyle choices.


Not sure what you actually mean there.

Penalty rates are paid to workers so as to compensate them for working unsocial hours.


You just exemplified it splendidly, Greggery.  Unsocial hours to whom, exactly?

Damned cats!  Bad as rats!  They'll eat anything that's got some meat on it.  A good bit of listerine ought to help that tongue as long as you're up on your tetanus jabs, Greggery.

Now let's start with the fulltime roster.  Assume a 40hr week because that makes the addups much simpler. 

Mon-Fri: (8 x 1.0) + (2 x 1.5) + (6 x 2.0) = 23 hours pay for 16 hours work.
How do you rate the sixth day? 
(2 x 1.5) x (14 x 2.0) = 31 hours pay for 16 hours work. (correction)

The seventh day is easy.  Double-time all day.

There's the traditional definition of penalty rates.  Any other problems here?


The traditional definition of penalty rates is 'compensation for working unsocial hours'.

Do you support penalty rates?


That's your untraditional opinion.  Do you like addups too, Greggery?  Show me your best arithmetic, like I just did.  You're making this an unsocial hour with your algebra.


No.

It's what penalty rates are.

Nothing to do with my opinion.



Yes, I thought so.  Your opinion is that someone who flits in on the weekends between lectures is worth more than someone who has worked the whole week already.


No.

Unsocial hours worked are worth more, not the people.

Penalty rates are compensation for working unsocial hours.

Overtime rates are compensation for working extra hours.


EXTRA HOURS !!!

I'd give you a blue star for that one if I was your grade 3 teacher, Greggerry.

Under what circumstances would you consider someone's extra hours to be unsocial in the context of gainful employment?


Weekends, public holidays, and after 6pm.

That's when penalty rates are generally paid, as those are generally seen to be unsocial hours.

This has nothing to do with my opinion, by the way - it's IR law.

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Reply #28 - Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:18pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:12pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:09pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:06pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:58pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:53pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:48pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:28pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:27pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:24pm:
Seems to me a lot of people are not quite sure what the proper definition of a penalty rate is.   For some, it seems that just turning up on the day is a penalty to their lifestyle choices.


Not sure what you actually mean there.

Penalty rates are paid to workers so as to compensate them for working unsocial hours.


You just exemplified it splendidly, Greggery.  Unsocial hours to whom, exactly?

Damned cats!  Bad as rats!  They'll eat anything that's got some meat on it.  A good bit of listerine ought to help that tongue as long as you're up on your tetanus jabs, Greggery.

Now let's start with the fulltime roster.  Assume a 40hr week because that makes the addups much simpler. 

Mon-Fri: (8 x 1.0) + (2 x 1.5) + (6 x 2.0) = 23 hours pay for 16 hours work.
How do you rate the sixth day? 
(2 x 1.5) x (14 x 2.0) = 31 hours pay for 16 hours work. (correction)

The seventh day is easy.  Double-time all day.

There's the traditional definition of penalty rates.  Any other problems here?


The traditional definition of penalty rates is 'compensation for working unsocial hours'.

Do you support penalty rates?


That's your untraditional opinion.  Do you like addups too, Greggery?  Show me your best arithmetic, like I just did.  You're making this an unsocial hour with your algebra.


No.

It's what penalty rates are.

Nothing to do with my opinion.



Yes, I thought so.  Your opinion is that someone who flits in on the weekends between lectures is worth more than someone who has worked the whole week already.


No.

Unsocial hours worked are worth more, not the people.

Penalty rates are compensation for working unsocial hours.

Overtime rates are compensation for working extra hours.


EXTRA HOURS !!!

I'd give you a blue star for that one if I was your grade 3 teacher, Greggerry.

Under what circumstances would you consider someone's extra hours to be unsocial in the context of gainful employment?


Weekends, public holidays, and after 6pm.

That's when penalty rates are generally paid, as those are generally seen to be unsocial hours.

This has nothing to do with my opinion, by the way - it's IR law.


IR laws can change with a hot gust of wind.  That is what we DON'T have a hostile senate for.

You want casuals to get double-time for Sundays, don't you Greggerry?  That is what you are campaigning for under the flag of standing up for the poor workers' rights.  Double-pay for yuppies moonlighting on the weekends.  You think that is fair?  How do you feel about legalising armed-robbery?  Think of those poor, starving lefties with nothing better than piddley little sawn-off shotguns.  Doesn't that make you want to get up and vote, this minute!
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Reply #29 - Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:24pm
 
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:18pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:12pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:09pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:06pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 4:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:58pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:53pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:48pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:28pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:27pm:
Imrah wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 3:24pm:
Seems to me a lot of people are not quite sure what the proper definition of a penalty rate is.   For some, it seems that just turning up on the day is a penalty to their lifestyle choices.


Not sure what you actually mean there.

Penalty rates are paid to workers so as to compensate them for working unsocial hours.


You just exemplified it splendidly, Greggery.  Unsocial hours to whom, exactly?

Damned cats!  Bad as rats!  They'll eat anything that's got some meat on it.  A good bit of listerine ought to help that tongue as long as you're up on your tetanus jabs, Greggery.

Now let's start with the fulltime roster.  Assume a 40hr week because that makes the addups much simpler. 

Mon-Fri: (8 x 1.0) + (2 x 1.5) + (6 x 2.0) = 23 hours pay for 16 hours work.
How do you rate the sixth day? 
(2 x 1.5) x (14 x 2.0) = 31 hours pay for 16 hours work. (correction)

The seventh day is easy.  Double-time all day.

There's the traditional definition of penalty rates.  Any other problems here?


The traditional definition of penalty rates is 'compensation for working unsocial hours'.

Do you support penalty rates?


That's your untraditional opinion.  Do you like addups too, Greggery?  Show me your best arithmetic, like I just did.  You're making this an unsocial hour with your algebra.


No.

It's what penalty rates are.

Nothing to do with my opinion.



Yes, I thought so.  Your opinion is that someone who flits in on the weekends between lectures is worth more than someone who has worked the whole week already.


No.

Unsocial hours worked are worth more, not the people.

Penalty rates are compensation for working unsocial hours.

Overtime rates are compensation for working extra hours.


EXTRA HOURS !!!

I'd give you a blue star for that one if I was your grade 3 teacher, Greggerry.

Under what circumstances would you consider someone's extra hours to be unsocial in the context of gainful employment?


Weekends, public holidays, and after 6pm.

That's when penalty rates are generally paid, as those are generally seen to be unsocial hours.

This has nothing to do with my opinion, by the way - it's IR law.


IR laws can change with a hot gust of wind.  That is what we DON'T have a hostile senate for.

You want casuals to get double-time for Sundays, don't you Greggerry?  That is what you are campaigning for under the flag of standing up for the poor workers' rights.  Double-pay for yuppies moonlighting on the weekends.  You think that is fair?  How do you feel about legalising armed-robbery?  Think of those poor, starving lefties with nothing better than piddley little sawn-off shotguns.  Doesn't that make you want to get up and vote, this minute!


I think that people being compensated for working unsocial hours is fair, no matter who they are - casuals, part-timers, and full-timers.

Moreover, nobody - and I cannot emphasise this enough - absolutely nobody is asking for anything extra.

Penalty rates - for working unsocial hours - have been around for many, many decades.

All the workers are asking is that their existing entitlements (rate of pay) not be taken away.

How is that a bad thing?
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