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Jun 30th, 2018 at 6:51pm
 
By Brooke Rolfe For Daily Mail Australia
03:02 AEST, 20 June 2018

For the first time in history the majority of Australians believe there are too many  immigrants entering the country, according to social research figures.
Nearly 55 per cent out of 1200 people thought the number of migrants coming to Australia was 'too high', in data collected by Social Research Centre in Melbourne.
Results from surveys carried out between March 5 and 25 revealed not everyone was happy with economic and social implications migrants were having on the country.

Research has revealed Australians believe there are too many immigrants entering the country.They showed points for dissatisfaction were up 14 points since last year and a staggering 17 points since 2014. 
About 10 per cent of people said it was 'too low', which was about the same amount as it was in 2014 and slightly down from about 18 per cent last year.
Immigration had not met the planned amount of 190,000 for the current financial year, with numbers still hanging significantly down.

Debate was recently sparked by New South Wales Labor leader Luke Foley who controversially highlighted a 'white flight' trend bought about by migrant families.
He was referring to low-income migrants forcing Anglo families out of affordable housing areas in Sydney's western suburbs.
Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton argued Labor was no longer an advocate for 'middle Australia' after it rejected a motion proposed by Conservatives senator Cory Bernardi.
'They voted to reject the notion that Australia's immigration program should operate in the interests of all Australians,' Mr Dutton told The Australian.

'They are captured by the radical left of their party.'
The motion called on the government to review migrant intake levels and to make sure it had no detrimental impacts on the economic, social or security interests of locals.
A separate Lowy Institute poll also found Australians to have the lowest level of trust in the United States ever recorded, with a 28 point fall since 2011 marked by a narrow majority of 55 per cent saying they trust the country to 'act responsibly'.
Nearly three quarters of Australians think the government has allowed too much investment from China, up from just 56 per cent in 2014.
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Reply #1 - Jun 30th, 2018 at 7:00pm
 
I read last week somewhere that 66% of our population growth last financial year was from immigration.  I think that Darwin would prefer a population diversify by more like around 10% for the most successful adaptation to our changing environment.  Growth is for capitalists.  Darwin said nature does not move in jet airplanes.
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Imrah wrote on Jun 30th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
I read last week somewhere that 66% of our population growth last financial year was from immigration.  I think that Darwin would prefer a population diversify by more like around 10% for the most successful adaptation to our changing environment.  Growth is for capitalists.  Darwin said nature does not move in jet airplanes.


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Over the year, net overseas migration rose by 250,100 people, accounting for 63.2% of Australia’s total population growth.



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Reply #3 - Jun 30th, 2018 at 7:11pm
 
The poll is right.
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Aussie wrote on Jun 30th, 2018 at 7:08pm:
Imrah wrote on Jun 30th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
I read last week somewhere that 66% of our population growth last financial year was from immigration.  I think that Darwin would prefer a population diversify by more like around 10% for the most successful adaptation to our changing environment.  Growth is for capitalists.  Darwin said nature does not move in jet airplanes.


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Over the year, net overseas migration rose by 250,100 people, accounting for 63.2% of Australia’s total population growth.




Thank you for the gracious clarifications, Aussie, and happy Saturday.  ABC rounded it to 2/3rds.  They are not big on the addps over there.
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xeej wrote on Jun 30th, 2018 at 7:11pm:
The poll is right.


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Thousands every day, its out of control, drown them.
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Well that's a no brainer.
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I have seen several articles in the mainstream media over the last few years highlight the fact that immigration is masking our true economic performance. GDP is going up, only because of immigration. Per capita GDP is actually going down slightly.
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Reply #10 - Jul 1st, 2018 at 9:05am
 
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Proof that the WHITE MALE is a weak 'spermer'.
To keep the population of this part of the world ticking over - white women need more genetic diversification of sperm to fertilise their eggs, if they are to become the ALPHA BREEDING FEMALES here.

The White Race is struggling here already!
Most of it is AGED with nothing but little white fluffy dogs for grand-kids.
Most of the Rural kids are all 'junkies'.
3/4 of BIG city populations a NON-white.
The Sperm Bank in Albury is crying out for Sperm donors - most which are now coming in as Indian/Pakis.
Because white race can't BREED naturally - they need IVF's, etc.

Sydney is full of Asians
Melbourne culturally serves 'Asia' (with its Sport).
Both cities 'betray' white Australians like a total sell out and yet the Media bases its 'Australianism' upon them both.

Face it - your White Anglo Saxon race is a defunct, old, child-less, junkie/drunk, minority living in an Aged Care Facility surrounded by non-whites.

White is a 'physically' inferior manifestation here in Australia.

...funny how 'white' NZ'ers can outbreed all other races, even the 'yellow' pineapple Maori Polynesians too  Wink
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1200 people? Come on . . ..

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INFERIOR WHITE RACE

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Gay white Race of Australia: where the women are liberated more towards being millionaires (Reinhart), Culturally Superior (Quentin Bryce) & Power-mongerers (Gillard) ...while the men are left playing with themselves down by a billabong (surrounded by sheep).
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Reply #13 - Jul 1st, 2018 at 10:48am
 
It is absurd to continue to fill the major city centres with what are often the dregs of their own society.  Unfortunately, everyone in the world is NOT equal or similar in outlook, as shown clearly by the never-ending rise of organised ethnic crime gangs, who essentially view the law with contempt.

The entire aim of this is to continue the senseless spiral to nowhere of never-ending building and construction, which is far from a tax-paying venture in many ways, and does not install long-term infrastructure for the nation.  Even my son, who is in the building trades, says the only reason he gets to much work and money is because it is the only game in town.

As usual - I say to make hay while the sun shines, and put your money where it counts in the long term.

The other issue is immigration mix and what useful purpose these people are being put to as a way of earning their spurs here.  Long-term solid infrastructure projects should be the norm, not just packing them like sardines into the major city centres, and destroying the lifestyle and character of the Australian Way.

Working on infrastructure instead of lounging around on pensions and unemployment benefits while assuming that this is a 'basic pay' just for being here and helping this nation out by bringing to it various and sundry views including political and religious ones, is not a useful way to deal with and integrate immigrants.

They should be put to work in the gulags where arbeit will macht them frei, and if they develop criminal or radical attitudes towards/against this nation, they are either shipped out or sent to Devil's Island for the term of their natural life to work out their issues in isolation.

Besides - we don't want to end up in the same situation as Britain - so overcrowded that when all falls down, millions will perish, many from savage fighting between different groups.
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freediver wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 7:05am:
I have seen several articles in the mainstream media over the last few years highlight the fact that immigration is masking our true economic performance. GDP is going up, only because of immigration. Per capita GDP is actually going down slightly.


Thats why politicians and businesses want our high population growth to continue. Business want the extra customers that a high population growth produces.

The reason most people in the poll want a reduction in immigration is that our infrastructure is not keeping up with this population growth.
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freediver wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 7:05am:
I have seen several articles in the mainstream media over the last few years highlight the fact that immigration is masking our true economic performance. GDP is going up, only because of immigration. Per capita GDP is actually going down slightly.


Immigrants are being used as bank fodder to fuel the economy with borrowed money so the gov doesn't have to borrow it themselves. Like all ponzi schemes they eventually blow up in the end !
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The country doesn't have the infrastructure to sustain the present levels of immigration. Considering that probably 80% plus of the place is uninhabitable, the rest is very much overpopulated.
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They didn't ask if you had a criminal record. They sent you out no questions asked.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Fuzzball wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 12:30pm:

They didn't ask if you had a criminal record. They sent you out no questions asked.


You took it seriously.....ah, takes all sorts....
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Fuzzball wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 12:39pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Fuzzball wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 12:30pm:

They didn't ask if you had a criminal record. They sent you out no questions asked.


You took it seriously.....ah, takes all sorts....

Why did I make a joke about it then. I love my convict ancestry. Most aussies do.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 12:41pm:
Fuzzball wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 12:39pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Fuzzball wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 12:30pm:

They didn't ask if you had a criminal record. They sent you out no questions asked.


You took it seriously.....ah, takes all sorts....

Why did I make a joke about it then. I love my convict ancestry. Most aussies do.


Not all?
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Fuzzball wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 12:42pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 12:41pm:
Fuzzball wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 12:39pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Fuzzball wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 12:30pm:

They didn't ask if you had a criminal record. They sent you out no questions asked.


You took it seriously.....ah, takes all sorts....

Why did I make a joke about it then. I love my convict ancestry. Most aussies do.


Not all?

Why wouldn't they? Those convicts set the platform for the whole country. Australia was bush when they started working.
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Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 12:01pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 7:05am:
I have seen several articles in the mainstream media over the last few years highlight the fact that immigration is masking our true economic performance. GDP is going up, only because of immigration. Per capita GDP is actually going down slightly.


Immigrants are being used as bank fodder to fuel the economy with borrowed money so the gov doesn't have to borrow it themselves. Like all ponzi schemes they eventually blow up in the end !


It's the opposite of a ponzi scheme. When the market crashes, those people will still be here, paying for rent and groceries and selling dim sims. The real downside is that we loose the best thing about this country - all the empty space.
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Western Sydney where I live is bursting at the seems now. The traffic is terrible. I doesn't help things when immigrants are all living in the same places. I believe the social engineers believed that immigrants would spread out. All that has happened is that the immigrants have moved in and the white people have spread out. Labor love it because they are guaranteed of winning high migrant seats.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 1:20pm:
Western Sydney where I live is bursting at the seems now. The traffic is terrible. I doesn't help things when immigrants are all living in the same places. I believe the social engineers believed that immigrants would spread out. All that has happened is that the immigrants have moved in and the white people have spread out. Labor love it because they are guaranteed of winning high migrant seats.


Remember, no matter how bad it is, it can always get worse. You still live in paradise compared to most people on earth.
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freediver wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 1:22pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2018 at 1:20pm:
Western Sydney where I live is bursting at the seems now. The traffic is terrible. I doesn't help things when immigrants are all living in the same places. I believe the social engineers believed that immigrants would spread out. All that has happened is that the immigrants have moved in and the white people have spread out. Labor love it because they are guaranteed of winning high migrant seats.


Remember, no matter how bad it is, it can always get worse. You still live in paradise compared to most people on earth.

I do realise that FD. Many migrants are lovely people. It's the dickheads that give them a bad name. It's the culture clashes that are hard to deal with. Indians are generally stoney faced sneaks. I'm not too fond of them. I find arabs generally nicer people than Indians believe it or not.
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One Nation have been saying that and more from the beginning
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Imrah wrote on Jun 30th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
I read last week somewhere that 66% of our population growth last financial year was from immigration.  I think that Darwin would prefer a population diversify by more like around 10% for the most successful adaptation to our changing environment.  Growth is for capitalists.  Darwin said nature does not move in jet airplanes.


Considering the birth rate is below the replacement rate, 66% of our population growth being from immigration is something we need not fret. If women averaged 2.1 children per woman, our population growth rate would only account immigration as being 10%.
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Walking around parts of Rockhampton, I am lulled into the thought that 99% of Australians are white and that our birth rates are well above replacement levels. Visiting places like Brisbane, as I did 10 years ago, I have the impression that Australia is 75% white and that people don't give relationships too much thought. I have not been to Sydney. But I hear that it is 66% white, and people are so self-absorbed that I cannot really consider that place to be a reflection of Australia.

Btw, Jasin, if you are reading this... migrants are the section of the Australian community that are having fewer children. I would have this impression that white Australia is still growing, whilst the non-white migrant and Australian born non-white community are just getting absorbed into white Australia or not breeding enough.
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UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 5:31am:
Imrah wrote on Jun 30th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
I read last week somewhere that 66% of our population growth last financial year was from immigration.  I think that Darwin would prefer a population diversify by more like around 10% for the most successful adaptation to our changing environment.  Growth is for capitalists.  Darwin said nature does not move in jet airplanes.


Considering the birth rate is below the replacement rate, 66% of our population growth being from immigration is something we need not fret. If women averaged 2.1 children per woman, our population growth rate would only account immigration as being 10%.


It's not the immigration part that's the problem. It's the growth part.
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UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 5:41am:
Walking around parts of Rockhampton, I am lulled into the thought that 99% of Australians are white and that our birth rates are well above replacement levels. Visiting places like Brisbane, as I did 10 years ago, I have the impression that Australia is 75% white and that people don't give relationships too much thought. I have not been to Sydney. But I hear that it is 66% white, and people are so self-absorbed that I cannot really consider that place to be a reflection of Australia.

Btw, Jasin, if you are reading this... migrants are the section of the Australian community that are having fewer children. I would have this impression that white Australia is still growing, whilst the non-white migrant and Australian born non-white community are just getting absorbed into white Australia or not breeding enough.

Actually in parts of Sydney and Melbourne you'd think you were in Asia or the ME.
BTW Muslim families have more children than non-muslim families.

We are simply importing people that will exacerbate the problem.  If we allow 1 million foreigners in here every 4 years  what outcome do you think we will have?  hmmmm.
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Grendel wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 9:18am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 5:41am:
Walking around parts of Rockhampton, I am lulled into the thought that 99% of Australians are white and that our birth rates are well above replacement levels. Visiting places like Brisbane, as I did 10 years ago, I have the impression that Australia is 75% white and that people don't give relationships too much thought. I have not been to Sydney. But I hear that it is 66% white, and people are so self-absorbed that I cannot really consider that place to be a reflection of Australia.

Btw, Jasin, if you are reading this... migrants are the section of the Australian community that are having fewer children. I would have this impression that white Australia is still growing, whilst the non-white migrant and Australian born non-white community are just getting absorbed into white Australia or not breeding enough.

Actually in parts of Sydney and Melbourne you'd think you were in Asia or the ME.
BTW Muslim families have more children than non-muslim families.

We are simply importing people that will exacerbate the problem.  If we allow 1 million foreigners in here every 4 years  what outcome do you think we will have?  hmmmm.


Yes, actually, I know that Sydney and Melbourne have a large non-white population. Hence the reason why I said that Sydney must be 66% white. Perhaps an optimistic percentage.

And one of the issues is job numbers. Most jobs are hoarded in places like the capital cities. We need to start decentralising industries to give large towns in regional areas more of a chance at expanding and having the jobs in the first place.
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freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:15am:
It's not the immigration part that's the problem. It's the growth part.


There were 321,686 more people in Australia in 2018 than there was in 2017. If we consider that 66% of that number is migrants, then that makes up 212,312 people. That does factor in the number of migrants that leave Australia (much of whom are those that had arrived in recent years).

I would suggest that the 320,000 more people in Australia consist of the 212,000 immigrants + 311,000 births each year - 210,000 deaths each year. Migrant gains mainly replacing the people who die each year.
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UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:37am:
Grendel wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 9:18am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 5:41am:
Walking around parts of Rockhampton, I am lulled into the thought that 99% of Australians are white and that our birth rates are well above replacement levels. Visiting places like Brisbane, as I did 10 years ago, I have the impression that Australia is 75% white and that people don't give relationships too much thought. I have not been to Sydney. But I hear that it is 66% white, and people are so self-absorbed that I cannot really consider that place to be a reflection of Australia.

Btw, Jasin, if you are reading this... migrants are the section of the Australian community that are having fewer children. I would have this impression that white Australia is still growing, whilst the non-white migrant and Australian born non-white community are just getting absorbed into white Australia or not breeding enough.

Actually in parts of Sydney and Melbourne you'd think you were in Asia or the ME.
BTW Muslim families have more children than non-muslim families.

We are simply importing people that will exacerbate the problem.  If we allow 1 million foreigners in here every 4 years  what outcome do you think we will have?  hmmmm.


Yes, actually, I know that Sydney and Melbourne have a large non-white population. Hence the reason why I said that Sydney must be 66% white. Perhaps an optimistic percentage.

And one of the issues is job numbers. Most jobs are hoarded in places like the capital cities. We need to start decentralising industries to give large towns in regional areas more of a chance at expanding and having the jobs in the first place.

Don't disagree with that but I don't talk in colours though.  We need culturally compatible people coming in through immigration, we shouldn't become the Noah's Ark of the world's population, too much diversity as has been proven leads to social disharmony and isolationism.

We are fringe dwellers and government after government has exacerbated that situation.  There are no visionaries in government re the future development of the Nation.  We currently have the most myopic, most self centred, most ignorant bunch of pollies I can recall in parliament.  They have no real answers.  They concentrate on point scoring and negativity,  in their quest for power and nothing more.  They get caught up in minutiae and ignore the elephants in the room.

Only 3 parties have looked to the population problem in modern times; the Greens (who abandoned it), The Australian Democrats and One Nation.  Both major parties seek a "large" Australia population-wise, not a sustainable one.

One Nation is the only party to address the problems of Multiculturalism while the rest cry racist, in their quest to lessen political competition and harm those they see as that competition.

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It is more than ridiculous to turn the major city centres into Third World cesspools purely for the sake of continuing a false economy of never-ending construction with no solid industrial production underpinning anything.

The Lucky Country, surrounded by ramparts of ocean, needs to look to itself first and not be a vassal to some mythical global socialist empire or some global capitalist empire..... we need to state our sovereignty as a nation and stand by it.

What we do NOT need is excessive populations in heavily built-up areas, which will inevitably be supported economically by an 'anything goes in pursuit of a dollar' mentality and lifestyle, which will inevitably lead us to a society divided into various levels of criminal enterprise as the major means of procuring riches (if we haven't made it there already)....

As a nation we are going backwards to the times of established criminal underworlds and immense poverty that saw people living in the Snowies in bark huts (The Bark Hut in which a family lived is on public park display in Eden, NSW), and enjoying the hill-billy diet of possum stew etc, with all the perils associated with that style of eating.

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Reply #36 - Jul 3rd, 2018 at 12:38pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:49am:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:15am:
It's not the immigration part that's the problem. It's the growth part.


There were 321,686 more people in Australia in 2018 than there was in 2017. If we consider that 66% of that number is migrants, then that makes up 212,312 people. That does factor in the number of migrants that leave Australia (much of whom are those that had arrived in recent years).

I would suggest that the 320,000 more people in Australia consist of the 212,000 immigrants + 311,000 births each year - 210,000 deaths each year. Migrant gains mainly replacing the people who die each year.


Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you suggesting that instead of rational limits on immigration to curb population growth, we start drowning babies in buckets?
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freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 12:38pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:49am:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:15am:
It's not the immigration part that's the problem. It's the growth part.


There were 321,686 more people in Australia in 2018 than there was in 2017. If we consider that 66% of that number is migrants, then that makes up 212,312 people. That does factor in the number of migrants that leave Australia (much of whom are those that had arrived in recent years).

I would suggest that the 320,000 more people in Australia consist of the 212,000 immigrants + 311,000 births each year - 210,000 deaths each year. Migrant gains mainly replacing the people who die each year.


Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you suggesting that instead of rational limits on immigration to curb population growth, we start drowning babies in buckets?


Australia is already limiting their population with low birth rates. Low birth rates as a result of high immigration because it puts a strain on house prices, job, etc. And we have high immigration rates because Australians are not having enough babies to cover the next generation in the job market.
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Costello paid people to have babies and the rate went up, but we are not Muslims where families have multiple Mothers and a great many babies...
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One things for sure, you'll see different attitudes from migrant groups if we become the minority. I hope our leaders have thought about that.
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UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 2:04pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 12:38pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:49am:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:15am:
It's not the immigration part that's the problem. It's the growth part.


There were 321,686 more people in Australia in 2018 than there was in 2017. If we consider that 66% of that number is migrants, then that makes up 212,312 people. That does factor in the number of migrants that leave Australia (much of whom are those that had arrived in recent years).

I would suggest that the 320,000 more people in Australia consist of the 212,000 immigrants + 311,000 births each year - 210,000 deaths each year. Migrant gains mainly replacing the people who die each year.


Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you suggesting that instead of rational limits on immigration to curb population growth, we start drowning babies in buckets?


Australia is already limiting their population with low birth rates. Low birth rates as a result of high immigration because it puts a strain on house prices, job, etc. And we have high immigration rates because Australians are not having enough babies to cover the next generation in the job market.


Are you trying to make a point, or just talk yourself round in circles?

Our population is increasing. We are not going to start drowning babies in buckets, and why should we if, as you point out, birth rates are below replacement levels. But we can easily control our immigration intake.
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New Poll says:

Immigrants say
"Australians are insecure 'Gays'."


The sweeping statement comes in light of the 'white' Australians feeling an uneasy realisation that their penis-to-bum sex is just not working out the way they thought and that non-whites seem to have the sex thing down-pat and are breeding well. So well, that the White 'Gay' Race here, that enjoys the Lifestyle Programs of endless Holidays - are now feeling the pinch.

Akmed:
"We do nothing wrong. We just have kids. But these White Australians feel threatened because their over-indulgent 'Gay' lifestyle of Public Holiday frivolity is just not cutting the mustard for them. Café Latte's, white fluffy dogs and Hipster/Yuppie careers are just biting them in the bum."
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freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 6:44pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 2:04pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 12:38pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:49am:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:15am:
It's not the immigration part that's the problem. It's the growth part.


There were 321,686 more people in Australia in 2018 than there was in 2017. If we consider that 66% of that number is migrants, then that makes up 212,312 people. That does factor in the number of migrants that leave Australia (much of whom are those that had arrived in recent years).

I would suggest that the 320,000 more people in Australia consist of the 212,000 immigrants + 311,000 births each year - 210,000 deaths each year. Migrant gains mainly replacing the people who die each year.


Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you suggesting that instead of rational limits on immigration to curb population growth, we start drowning babies in buckets?


Australia is already limiting their population with low birth rates. Low birth rates as a result of high immigration because it puts a strain on house prices, job, etc. And we have high immigration rates because Australians are not having enough babies to cover the next generation in the job market.


Are you trying to make a point, or just talk yourself round in circles?

Our population is increasing. We are not going to start drowning babies in buckets, and why should we if, as you point out, birth rates are below replacement levels. But we can easily control our immigration intake.


Part of the reason why we don't have a higher birth rate in Australia is because of the affordability to have more than 2 children. There are those women out there that have careers that don't afford the time to have any children. There are those women that act like having a child is a fashion accessory and will have one child. Then you have those families that will have 2, 3, 4, and sometimes 5 or more. However, you will not see families of 4 or more children with a rich socioeconomic background. They rely on generous family payments to get on with life.

I was not the person who brought up the facetious point about drowning babies in buckets. You already know that. I can't see the reason why you would try encourage debate about a stupid joke someone else brought to the topic.

The point is that we start limiting immigration numbers to reduce unemployment and raise the birth rates. Immigrants are not the ones who are having the babies. It is largely Australian born people who have their own children in larger numbers. Immigrants probably average 1 to 1.5 children per woman, seeing as many immigrants come to Australia when they are nearly 30 and are more career focussed to the point that they have to limit their own birth rates.
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.JaSin. wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 6:48pm:
New Poll says:

Immigrants say
"Australians are insecure 'Gays'."


The sweeping statement comes in light of the 'white' Australians feeling an uneasy realisation that their penis-to-bum sex is just not working out the way they thought and that non-whites seem to have the sex thing down-pat and are breeding well. So well, that the White 'Gay' Race here, that enjoys the Lifestyle Programs of endless Holidays - are now feeling the pinch.

Akmed:
"We do nothing wrong. We just have kids. But these White Australians feel threatened because their over-indulgent 'Gay' lifestyle of Public Holiday frivolity is just not cutting the mustard for them. Café Latte's, white fluffy dogs and Hipster/Yuppie careers are just biting them in the bum."


"Blonde women are sluts. The men are homosexuals. They don't pray enough or pay a tax to Islam for the right to live around us. Their women's wombs are drying up. It is our Islamic men who will conquer them and their lands through births".

Is that what you are saying, Jasin?
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UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 11:11pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 6:44pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 2:04pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 12:38pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:49am:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:15am:
It's not the immigration part that's the problem. It's the growth part.


There were 321,686 more people in Australia in 2018 than there was in 2017. If we consider that 66% of that number is migrants, then that makes up 212,312 people. That does factor in the number of migrants that leave Australia (much of whom are those that had arrived in recent years).

I would suggest that the 320,000 more people in Australia consist of the 212,000 immigrants + 311,000 births each year - 210,000 deaths each year. Migrant gains mainly replacing the people who die each year.


Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you suggesting that instead of rational limits on immigration to curb population growth, we start drowning babies in buckets?


Australia is already limiting their population with low birth rates. Low birth rates as a result of high immigration because it puts a strain on house prices, job, etc. And we have high immigration rates because Australians are not having enough babies to cover the next generation in the job market.


Are you trying to make a point, or just talk yourself round in circles?

Our population is increasing. We are not going to start drowning babies in buckets, and why should we if, as you point out, birth rates are below replacement levels. But we can easily control our immigration intake.


Part of the reason why we don't have a higher birth rate in Australia is because of the affordability to have more than 2 children. There are those women out there that have careers that don't afford the time to have any children. There are those women that act like having a child is a fashion accessory and will have one child. Then you have those families that will have 2, 3, 4, and sometimes 5 or more. However, you will not see families of 4 or more children with a rich socioeconomic background. They rely on generous family payments to get on with life.

I was not the person who brought up the facetious point about drowning babies in buckets. You already know that. I can't see the reason why you would try encourage debate about a stupid joke someone else brought to the topic.

The point is that we start limiting immigration numbers to reduce unemployment and raise the birth rates. Immigrants are not the ones who are having the babies. It is largely Australian born people who have their own children in larger numbers. Immigrants probably average 1 to 1.5 children per woman, seeing as many immigrants come to Australia when they are nearly 30 and are more career focussed to the point that they have to limit their own birth rates.


You brought up the facetious point. You are the one who tried to shift the issue to low birth rates, which is completely irrelevant. Again you completely miss the point. Our population is increasing. Reducing immigration is the only viable option to stabilise it. No amount of blurting out irrelevant statistics changes that. You are incapable of making a coherent point.
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Go back and read the topic and figure out who introduced the idea of drowning babies. It was not me. I responded to them implying that they were being ridiculous.

The reduction in immigration is the only way to stabilise the population in Australia. I think Australia should have a few years of low immigration rates, and see a slight decline in population numbers. This should be enough just to boost the subconscious of people in childbearing years to have that one more child and boost the fertility rate in Australia.
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You tried to make some facetious point about birth rates.
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You know its odd that what 60% of Australians are against high Immigration yet people claim 85% of people support multiculti...  seems pretty incongruous to me.  Only 40% of people are for high immmigration or don't care.
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The latest fortnightly survey of 1,026 voters finds that 54% of the sample believe Australia’s rate of population growth is too fast – which is up from 45% recorded five years ago.

A higher percentage, 64%, think the level of immigration in Australia over the past decade has been too high – up from 50% recorded in October 2016.
The Guardian Essential Report, 24 April results

But while the trend underscores increasing community concern about immigration and population growth, 55% of the sample agree with the proposition that “multiculturalism and cultural diversity has enriched the social and economic lives of all Australians”.

The statement “multiculturalism has failed and caused social division and dangerous extremism in Australia” was endorsed by 32%, while 13% did not have a view.


The latest survey indicates the current concern is broadly based. A majority of all voting groups, apart from the Greens, believe that population growth is happening too fast, and more than 60% of Coalition and Labor voters think there has been too much immigration over the past decade.


This clearly shows bwian's lie about 85% of all Australians and clearly shows that the Greens have been taken over by LW Progs that are not interested in the environment or a sustainable population.  Solution...DON'T VOTE GREEN.
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On the ABC’s Q&A on Monday night, Carr said:

    The first poll I’ve seen that indicates a big shift in public attitudes … came out in recent months. It shows 74% of Australians think there is enough of us already … I find that interesting. It’s the first breakthrough … in the last 12 months, the message has sunk in.


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The survey found that 74 per cent of voters thought that Australia does not need more people, with big majorities believing that that population growth was putting ‘a lot of pressure’ on hospitals, roads, affordable housing and jobs.


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Most voters were also worried about the consequences of growing ethnic diversity. Forty-eight per cent supported a partial ban on Muslim immigration to Australia, with only 25 per cent in opposition.


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The oft bwian quoted Scanlon Survey refuted and has been shown to be a biased vested interest document.

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Despite these demographic pressures and discontents, Australia’s political and economic elites are disdainful of them and have ignored them. They see high immigration as part of their commitment to the globalisation of Australia’s economy and society and thus it is not to be questioned.

Elites elsewhere in the developed world hold similar values, but have had to retreat because of public opposition. Across Europe 15 to 20 per cent of voters currently support anti-immigration political parties.

Our review of elite opinion in Australia shows that here they think they can ignore public concerns. This is because their main source of information about public opinion on the issue, the Scanlon Foundation, has consistently reported that most Australians support their immigration and cultural diversity policies.

How could Australia be so different from other Western countries? It has long been argued, including by the Scanlon Foundation, that Australians were insulated from the economic shocks of the Global Financial Crisis in 2008-2009. This means that we have a lower share of angry ‘left behinds’ than in Europe and the US, that is, people suffering from economic stress who can be mobilised around an anti-immigration banner.

This is why Labor’s shadow Deputy Treasurer, Andrew Leigh, can assert that Australian attitudes to migrants are warm and ‘becoming warmer over time’ and that ‘there is sold support for the principle of non-discrimination’ (pages 1-2). It is also why, according to prominent writer David Marr, ‘more than almost any people on earth, we are happy for migrants to come in big numbers’ (pages 2-3).

The TAPRI survey refutes these findings. It shows that
74 per cent of voters believe that Australia does not need more people
and that, at the time of the survey, 54 per cent wanted a reduction in the migrant intake. This includes 57 per cent of Liberal voters and 46 per cent of Labor voters (Figure 1).
This result is far higher than the 34 per cent of respondents wanting a lower migrant intake reported in the last Scanlon survey (in July-August 2016).
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freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 6:44pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 2:04pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 12:38pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:49am:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:15am:
It's not the immigration part that's the problem. It's the growth part.


There were 321,686 more people in Australia in 2018 than there was in 2017. If we consider that 66% of that number is migrants, then that makes up 212,312 people. That does factor in the number of migrants that leave Australia (much of whom are those that had arrived in recent years).

I would suggest that the 320,000 more people in Australia consist of the 212,000 immigrants + 311,000 births each year - 210,000 deaths each year. Migrant gains mainly replacing the people who die each year.


Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you suggesting that instead of rational limits on immigration to curb population growth, we start drowning babies in buckets?


Australia is already limiting their population with low birth rates. Low birth rates as a result of high immigration because it puts a strain on house prices, job, etc. And we have high immigration rates because Australians are not having enough babies to cover the next generation in the job market.


Are you trying to make a point, or just talk yourself round in circles?

Our population is increasing. We are not going to start drowning babies in buckets, and why should we if, as you point out, birth rates are below replacement levels. But we can easily control our immigration intake.
And what would you do about the aging population?
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Rhino wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 12:39am:
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 6:44pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 2:04pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 12:38pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:49am:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:15am:
It's not the immigration part that's the problem. It's the growth part.


There were 321,686 more people in Australia in 2018 than there was in 2017. If we consider that 66% of that number is migrants, then that makes up 212,312 people. That does factor in the number of migrants that leave Australia (much of whom are those that had arrived in recent years).

I would suggest that the 320,000 more people in Australia consist of the 212,000 immigrants + 311,000 births each year - 210,000 deaths each year. Migrant gains mainly replacing the people who die each year.


Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you suggesting that instead of rational limits on immigration to curb population growth, we start drowning babies in buckets?


Australia is already limiting their population with low birth rates. Low birth rates as a result of high immigration because it puts a strain on house prices, job, etc. And we have high immigration rates because Australians are not having enough babies to cover the next generation in the job market.


Are you trying to make a point, or just talk yourself round in circles?

Our population is increasing. We are not going to start drowning babies in buckets, and why should we if, as you point out, birth rates are below replacement levels. But we can easily control our immigration intake.
And what would you do about the aging population? 


Get a bigger bucket?

Why the need to "do" something?
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Go back and read the topic and figure out who introduced the idea of drowning babies.


You tried to make some facetious point about birth rates.


1.85 children per woman. Nothing facetious about that.
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Go back and read the topic and figure out who introduced the idea of drowning babies.


You tried to make some facetious point about birth rates.


1.85 children per woman. Nothing facetious about that.


Why is it relevant?
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I am responding to your lying posts, freediver, you dipschitt.
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What did I lie about?
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What did I lie about?


Wild guess ~ that he tried to make a facetious point?
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What did I lie about?


Wild guess ~ that he tried to make a facetious point?


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freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 12:38pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:49am:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:15am:
It's not the immigration part that's the problem. It's the growth part.


There were 321,686 more people in Australia in 2018 than there was in 2017. If we consider that 66% of that number is migrants, then that makes up 212,312 people. That does factor in the number of migrants that leave Australia (much of whom are those that had arrived in recent years).

I would suggest that the 320,000 more people in Australia consist of the 212,000 immigrants + 311,000 births each year - 210,000 deaths each year. Migrant gains mainly replacing the people who die each year.


Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you suggesting that instead of rational limits on immigration to curb population growth, we start drowning babies in buckets?


Looky-looky! Back on the 3rd of July. freediver starting the strawman about drowning babies.
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UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 7:35am:
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 12:38pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:49am:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:15am:
It's not the immigration part that's the problem. It's the growth part.


There were 321,686 more people in Australia in 2018 than there was in 2017. If we consider that 66% of that number is migrants, then that makes up 212,312 people. That does factor in the number of migrants that leave Australia (much of whom are those that had arrived in recent years).

I would suggest that the 320,000 more people in Australia consist of the 212,000 immigrants + 311,000 births each year - 210,000 deaths each year. Migrant gains mainly replacing the people who die each year.


Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you suggesting that instead of rational limits on immigration to curb population growth, we start drowning babies in buckets?


Looky-looky! Back on the 3rd of July. freediver starting the strawman about drowning babies.


In response to you bringing up births. Other than being facetious, why did you bring that up, and why the hysterics about lying?
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My point was not about reducing birth rates. The point was about reducing immigration as a way to encourage higher birth rates. It was spelled out in black and light grey in complete sentences, a few pages ago.
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I must have missed that bit. I thought your only point was to drown the thread in statistics.
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freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 9:34am:
I must have missed that bit. I thought your only point was to drown the thread in statistics.


I am being objective and you are being subjective. Yet, you think I am the one derailing this topic?
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Let us recap, shall we?

I have the opinion that we need to cut immigration numbers down to encourage higher birth rates. I believe that if we cut immigration numbers, more jobs will be available to Australian born people. After about 5 years, we should see a census figure -- yes, I know you hate facts and figures -- with the population being slightly lower than the initial immigration cut. That will spook the younger generation into having more children. People will be able to afford lower house prices. So, they should be able to afford another child.

freediver's opinion: we are not going to be going about drowning babies in buckets...

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nah....  years ago the sustainable limit for Australia and its current infrastructure was 20,000,000...  we could lose 5 million an have no worries until we start to plan properly for an expanded population base.
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nah....  years ago the sustainable limit for Australia and its current infrastructure was 20,000,000...  we could lose 5 million an have no worries until we start to plan properly for an expanded population base.


You have lived in the city too much and have no concept of urban expansion in towns and larger regional centres. My town could reach 150,000 relatively easy. We would have to expand east and north mainly. But we should be able grow larger.

Many regional centres could double their population. Small towns might swell as much as 5 times their current size. We may reach 40 million by 2050 with proper planning. Major cities might grow as much as another million to their population.
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Wrong.
My point stays valid...  sorry...
I live in a region.
it doesn't have enough infrastructure to support the ever increasing population BTW.
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We have had a debate on facebook about what needs to be done to grow Rockhampton. Reindustrialising the centre would be one way to get people into the jobs. Someone brought up the point about making the town a recycling centre.

We should be into an economic boom, once we get through the troubling drought and get our mining back on track.
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We have had a debate on facebook about what needs to be done to grow Rockhampton. Reindustrialising the centre would be one way to get people into the jobs. Someone brought up the point about making the town a recycling centre.

We should be into an economic boom, once we get through the troubling drought and get our mining back on track.


Getting off Facebook would be a good start.

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UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 5:26pm:
We have had a debate on facebook about what needs to be done to grow Rockhampton. Reindustrialising the centre would be one way to get people into the jobs. Someone brought up the point about making the town a recycling centre.

We should be into an economic boom, once we get through the troubling drought and get our mining back on track.


Getting off Facebook would be a good start.



Why not rise up as a people and hijack all the resources flooding out of Queenslund and instead force the government there to build some manufacturing industry for those resources that will benefit you all??

Then bulldoze Rockie and start again...
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Grendel wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 9:18am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 5:41am:
Walking around parts of Rockhampton, I am lulled into the thought that 99% of Australians are white and that our birth rates are well above replacement levels. Visiting places like Brisbane, as I did 10 years ago, I have the impression that Australia is 75% white and that people don't give relationships too much thought. I have not been to Sydney. But I hear that it is 66% white, and people are so self-absorbed that I cannot really consider that place to be a reflection of Australia.

Btw, Jasin, if you are reading this... migrants are the section of the Australian community that are having fewer children. I would have this impression that white Australia is still growing, whilst the non-white migrant and Australian born non-white community are just getting absorbed into white Australia or not breeding enough.

Actually in parts of Sydney and Melbourne you'd think you were in Asia or the ME.
BTW Muslim families have more children than non-muslim families.

We are simply importing people that will exacerbate the problem.  If we allow 1 million foreigners in here every 4 years  what outcome do you think we will have?  hmmmm.


Remember, Grendel. We're not against a multi-racial society with one unified culture.
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John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 8:08pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 9:18am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 5:41am:
Walking around parts of Rockhampton, I am lulled into the thought that 99% of Australians are white and that our birth rates are well above replacement levels. Visiting places like Brisbane, as I did 10 years ago, I have the impression that Australia is 75% white and that people don't give relationships too much thought. I have not been to Sydney. But I hear that it is 66% white, and people are so self-absorbed that I cannot really consider that place to be a reflection of Australia.

Btw, Jasin, if you are reading this... migrants are the section of the Australian community that are having fewer children. I would have this impression that white Australia is still growing, whilst the non-white migrant and Australian born non-white community are just getting absorbed into white Australia or not breeding enough.

Actually in parts of Sydney and Melbourne you'd think you were in Asia or the ME.
BTW Muslim families have more children than non-muslim families.

We are simply importing people that will exacerbate the problem.  If we allow 1 million foreigners in here every 4 years  what outcome do you think we will have?  hmmmm.


Remember, Grendel. We're not against a multi-racial society with one unified culture.

Your point would be what?
That the facts I noted are wrong? Roll Eyes
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Grendel wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 8:08pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 9:18am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 5:41am:
Walking around parts of Rockhampton, I am lulled into the thought that 99% of Australians are white and that our birth rates are well above replacement levels. Visiting places like Brisbane, as I did 10 years ago, I have the impression that Australia is 75% white and that people don't give relationships too much thought. I have not been to Sydney. But I hear that it is 66% white, and people are so self-absorbed that I cannot really consider that place to be a reflection of Australia.

Btw, Jasin, if you are reading this... migrants are the section of the Australian community that are having fewer children. I would have this impression that white Australia is still growing, whilst the non-white migrant and Australian born non-white community are just getting absorbed into white Australia or not breeding enough.

Actually in parts of Sydney and Melbourne you'd think you were in Asia or the ME.
BTW Muslim families have more children than non-muslim families.

We are simply importing people that will exacerbate the problem.  If we allow 1 million foreigners in here every 4 years  what outcome do you think we will have?  hmmmm.


Remember, Grendel. We're not against a multi-racial society with one unified culture.

Your point would be what?
That the facts I noted are wrong? Roll Eyes


You said "Actually in parts of Sydney and Melbourne, you'd think you were in Asia or the ME."

That shouldn't matter, should it? If the majority were assimilated into one culture??
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John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 9:35pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 8:08pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 9:18am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 5:41am:
Walking around parts of Rockhampton, I am lulled into the thought that 99% of Australians are white and that our birth rates are well above replacement levels. Visiting places like Brisbane, as I did 10 years ago, I have the impression that Australia is 75% white and that people don't give relationships too much thought. I have not been to Sydney. But I hear that it is 66% white, and people are so self-absorbed that I cannot really consider that place to be a reflection of Australia.

Btw, Jasin, if you are reading this... migrants are the section of the Australian community that are having fewer children. I would have this impression that white Australia is still growing, whilst the non-white migrant and Australian born non-white community are just getting absorbed into white Australia or not breeding enough.

Actually in parts of Sydney and Melbourne you'd think you were in Asia or the ME.
BTW Muslim families have more children than non-muslim families.

We are simply importing people that will exacerbate the problem.  If we allow 1 million foreigners in here every 4 years  what outcome do you think we will have?  hmmmm.


Remember, Grendel. We're not against a multi-racial society with one unified culture.

Your point would be what?
That the facts I noted are wrong? Roll Eyes


You said "Actually in parts of Sydney and Melbourne, you'd think you were in Asia or the ME."

That shouldn't matter, should it? If the majority were assimilated into one culture??

Confused again it seems eh Auggie.

Yes it does matter we live in Australia a secular Western Democracy.  That is the basis of our culture remember.

Under multiculti there is no Assimilation.
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Really?  For example.....The Italians, the Greeks, the Chinese, the Vietnamese, the Lebanese....and you are not satisfied to allow time to do its thing.
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Do try to make a point and not start a guessing competition.

BTW... Yes they are all nationalities.

Italians are not Chinese and Chinese are not Australians etc, etc, etc...
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Do try to make a point and not start a guessing competition.

BTW... Yes they are all nationalities.

Italians are not Chinese and Chinese are not Australians etc, etc, etc...


Amazing revelation.  Thought we were discussing assimilation. 


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Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:42pm:
Why not rise up as a people and hijack all the resources flooding out of Queenslund and instead force the government there to build some manufacturing industry for those resources that will benefit you all??

Then bulldoze Rockie and start again...


Rockhampton is slowly but surely being bulldozed and renewed. It has actually changed its look in the last 15 years quite substantially.

I don't know what kind of industry we use as a resource that gets exported for cheap. Rockhampton is a mining hub for interior CQld. We do meat processing, railway, service industries, and not a great deal more. If we could get a recycling plant up and running and doing something to make material for money, then that would be something. Other than that, we are relying on a military base expansion for the United States army to use. Trying to get money that way.
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Aussie wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 10:38pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 10:30pm:
Do try to make a point and not start a guessing competition.

BTW... Yes they are all nationalities.

Italians are not Chinese and Chinese are not Australians etc, etc, etc...


Amazing revelation.  Thought we were discussing assimilation.


Under a pure assimilation, we would not have multiculturalism. However, assimilation would imply a loyalty to the country in which they live. We might make new migrants assimilate to a certain point. But we cannot force someone to abandon EVERY part of their old heritage.

For example, a Croatian migrant might barrack for Croatia in the soccer, whilst he is living in Australia. But his children might barrack for Australia and/or Croatia in the soccer. Though, their children (the Croatian migrant's grandchildren) would probably go for AFL, rugby, league, or cricket and not consider their Croatian heritage too much, except whenever granddad comes around for Summer Solstice celebration festivities -- I happen to be thinking 40 years into the future.
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UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 10:56pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 10:38pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 10:30pm:
Do try to make a point and not start a guessing competition.

BTW... Yes they are all nationalities.

Italians are not Chinese and Chinese are not Australians etc, etc, etc...


Amazing revelation.  Thought we were discussing assimilation.


Under a pure assimilation, we would not have multiculturalism. However, assimilation would imply a loyalty to the country in which they live. We might make new migrants assimilate to a certain point. But we cannot force someone to abandon EVERY part of their old heritage.

For example, a Croatian migrant might barrack for Croatia in the soccer, whilst he is living in Australia. But his children might barrack for Australia and/or Croatia in the soccer. Though, their children (the Croatian migrant's grandchildren) would probably go for AFL, rugby, league, or cricket and not consider their Croatian heritage too much, except whenever granddad comes around for Summer Solstice celebration festivities -- I happen to be thinking 40 years into the future.


What about a half Croat half Serb? He'd always be trying to kill himself!
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Aussie wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 10:38pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 10:30pm:
Do try to make a point and not start a guessing competition.

BTW... Yes they are all nationalities.

Italians are not Chinese and Chinese are not Australians etc, etc, etc...


Amazing revelation.  Thought we were discussing assimilation. 

No and no we weren't discussing anything. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Setanta wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 11:19pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 10:56pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 10:38pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 10:30pm:
Do try to make a point and not start a guessing competition.

BTW... Yes they are all nationalities.

Italians are not Chinese and Chinese are not Australians etc, etc, etc...


Amazing revelation.  Thought we were discussing assimilation.


Under a pure assimilation, we would not have multiculturalism. However, assimilation would imply a loyalty to the country in which they live. We might make new migrants assimilate to a certain point. But we cannot force someone to abandon EVERY part of their old heritage.

For example, a Croatian migrant might barrack for Croatia in the soccer, whilst he is living in Australia. But his children might barrack for Australia and/or Croatia in the soccer. Though, their children (the Croatian migrant's grandchildren) would probably go for AFL, rugby, league, or cricket and not consider their Croatian heritage too much, except whenever granddad comes around for Summer Solstice celebration festivities -- I happen to be thinking 40 years into the future.


What about a half Croat half Serb? He'd always be trying to kill himself!


You would wonder what it was that got his mum and dad together to the point that he was born.
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Grendel wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 10:02pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 9:35pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 8:08pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 9:18am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 5:41am:
Walking around parts of Rockhampton, I am lulled into the thought that 99% of Australians are white and that our birth rates are well above replacement levels. Visiting places like Brisbane, as I did 10 years ago, I have the impression that Australia is 75% white and that people don't give relationships too much thought. I have not been to Sydney. But I hear that it is 66% white, and people are so self-absorbed that I cannot really consider that place to be a reflection of Australia.

Btw, Jasin, if you are reading this... migrants are the section of the Australian community that are having fewer children. I would have this impression that white Australia is still growing, whilst the non-white migrant and Australian born non-white community are just getting absorbed into white Australia or not breeding enough.

Actually in parts of Sydney and Melbourne you'd think you were in Asia or the ME.
BTW Muslim families have more children than non-muslim families.

We are simply importing people that will exacerbate the problem.  If we allow 1 million foreigners in here every 4 years  what outcome do you think we will have?  hmmmm.


Remember, Grendel. We're not against a multi-racial society with one unified culture.

Your point would be what?
That the facts I noted are wrong? Roll Eyes


You said "Actually in parts of Sydney and Melbourne, you'd think you were in Asia or the ME."

That shouldn't matter, should it? If the majority were assimilated into one culture??

Confused again it seems eh Auggie.

Yes it does matter we live in Australia a secular Western Democracy.  That is the basis of our culture remember.

Under multiculti there is no Assimilation.


That wasn't the issue, Grendel. You're obfuscating. You said that you had an issue 'with certain communities looking like Asia or the ME. It wouldn't matter if they were just Australians with a different racial complexion, would it? Because if it did, then that would make you wacist.
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John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:43pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 10:02pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 9:35pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 8:08pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 9:18am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 5:41am:
Walking around parts of Rockhampton, I am lulled into the thought that 99% of Australians are white and that our birth rates are well above replacement levels. Visiting places like Brisbane, as I did 10 years ago, I have the impression that Australia is 75% white and that people don't give relationships too much thought. I have not been to Sydney. But I hear that it is 66% white, and people are so self-absorbed that I cannot really consider that place to be a reflection of Australia.

Btw, Jasin, if you are reading this... migrants are the section of the Australian community that are having fewer children. I would have this impression that white Australia is still growing, whilst the non-white migrant and Australian born non-white community are just getting absorbed into white Australia or not breeding enough.

Actually in parts of Sydney and Melbourne you'd think you were in Asia or the ME.
BTW Muslim families have more children than non-muslim families.

We are simply importing people that will exacerbate the problem.  If we allow 1 million foreigners in here every 4 years  what outcome do you think we will have?  hmmmm.


Remember, Grendel. We're not against a multi-racial society with one unified culture.

Your point would be what?
That the facts I noted are wrong? Roll Eyes


You said "Actually in parts of Sydney and Melbourne, you'd think you were in Asia or the ME."

That shouldn't matter, should it? If the majority were assimilated into one culture??

Confused again it seems eh Auggie.

Yes it does matter we live in Australia a secular Western Democracy.  That is the basis of our culture remember.

Under multiculti there is no Assimilation.


That wasn't the issue, Grendel. You're obfuscating. You said that you had an issue 'with certain communities looking like Asia or the ME. It wouldn't matter if they were just Australians with a different racial complexion, would it? Because if it did, then that would make you wacist.

Not me I don't obfuscate you must mean bwian.
if you choose to be an Idiot.... this is what I said...
Actually in parts of Sydney and Melbourne you'd think you were in Asia or the ME.
Which has nothing to do with RACISM...
YOU NEED TO APOLOGISE. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Seems to me YOU are so easily confused on this subject... I don't care, but don't lie about me like bwian does.
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Multiculturalism has failed: let’s cut immigration, refugee intake

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John Howard, as prime minister, removed references to multiculturalism when he renamed the Department of Immigration more than a decade ago. His critics wondered, what’s in a name? The issue wasn’t the term but the principle that underlies it.

There have been two multicultural experiments in history. The first was empires. That failed. The second is mass immigration. That’s on the verge of failure.

Empires were still around last century, but due to constant wars they didn’t have fixed borders. In defeat, the borders shrank; in victory, they expanded. New territory meant absorbing new nations. This meant constant shifts in demographics. Tensions led to strife between people.

Jewish struggles for independence against the Roman Empire more than 2000 years ago show how ancient is the human desire for self-preservation. From the Maccabean Revolt before Jesus Christ to the Bar Kokhba revolt after him, Jewish people had long sought independence. It took until 1948 to be free at last.

The Ottoman Empire ruled over Macedonians, Albanians, Bulgars, Greeks, Arabs, Jews and Armenians among others, but the rulers were Turks. It crumbled after World War I.

The British Empire ruled three-quarters of the planet. India was once its “jewel in the crown”. Despite his British education, Mahatma Gandhi led a nonviolent ­revolt to oust India’s British rulers.

The Soviet Union was the last to crumble, as late as the 1990s. Estonians, Lithuanians, Georgians, Kazakhs, Uzbeks and a dozen other nations were brought together under one state, but their rulers were Russians. The Soviet Union is gone.

The age of empires was over. What replaced it was the nation state. Empires over two centuries broke down into independent countries with their own flags, anthems, emblems and jurisdictions.

Unlike shrinking and expanding empires that underwent constant demographic shifts, nation states have demarcated borders. Where Spain ends, Portugal starts. Where India ends, Pakistan starts. Where the US ends, Mexico starts.

This grand tessellation of nations remains the formula for the 193 UN member states. Global consensus supports it on the basis that each and every nation has the right to sovereignty and self-preservation. But mass immigration undermines the nation state. Non-Western countries understand this and choose to opt out accordingly. Yet the West continues to participate in this second multicultural experiment.

Our academic and political elites often remind us that absorbing more people is “good for the economy” because of more lower-skilled workers, higher gross domestic product and cheap labour. Although tendentious at best, even if this were construed as a net benefit, the reality is that this ­motivation is driven by an unrelenting guilt from our colonial past.

What seems like rational policy is actually based on emotion. Mass immigration defeats the whole point of nation states replacing empires. Instead of transcending tribalistic tendencies, mass immigration provides the seedbed for inter-ethnic hostilities and re-­creates the conflict-prone environments of imperial times. Except back then, the rulers came to the ruled by force. Today the ruled come to the rulers by choice.

Nowhere are conflicted loyalties more pronounced than in the case of imams within Australia’s Muslim community who waste disproportionate amounts of time complaining about imaginary “white privilege”, “racism” and “Islamophobia”. In 2015, for example, the grand mufti of Australia said racism and Islamophobia were the “causative factors” behind terrorism in Australia.

Despite the obvious fact that Islam is not a race, such misguided claims seem all too common among mainstream Islamic leaders. If their efforts were spent combating the conspiracy theories about the US and Israel that continue to paralyse Muslim public opinion, they would do more to stop terrorism than anything a government policy could accomplish.

The Romans were pagan, the Ottomans were Muslim, the Brits were Christian and the Soviets were communist. The first multicultural experiment failed for all equally. No societal framework can sustain itself for long if it ends up becoming a laboratory of ­conflicted loyalties. Australia still participates in the second experiment. It’s time to opt out.

There is a time and place to appreciate diversity and to be charitable to those from beyond our shores. Australia has been, and still is, one of the most generous nations on earth to immigrants from all walks of life.

But as the age-old adage goes: charity begins at home. Self-preservation comes first. The way forward is to scale back our annual intake of legal immigrants from 190,000 to half that.

The reduced intake should be from regions with compatible values and goals.

Our refugee intake should also be scaled back from 13,750 to half that, with a focus on those most in need. Resettling the victims of hate crimes from the rural carnage in South Africa should remain a priority, for example.

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pt 2.

There should be a temporary freeze on intake from countries with populations hostile to the West. Skills shortages in the workforce should be overcome through renewed focus on training and ­apprenticeships for unemployed Australians first. We have plenty of eager young women and men willing to gain experience; we don’t need to outsource our jobs overseas.

These are among the key ideas set to be debated at the West Australian Liberal Party’s annual state conference in Perth next month. No doubt, Howard knew there was more to multiculturalism than a mere term. The underlying principle was as complex and problematic in his times as it remains in ours. It’s high time we did something about it.

The only party against mass migration and multiculturalism is PHON...
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Reply #88 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:33pm
 
The problem is not immigration.

The problem is the quality of immigrant we are getting now.

Dole budging, parasitic, twisted, thieving, violent, barbaric non-contributing cultists are no good for any country.

They are now being recognised all over the world, and I can attest to this, as worthless and nothing but trouble where ever they infect the country they can.

The US don't want them, Sweden don't want them, Finland don't want them, The French don't want them,  most Germans don't want them China won't have them.

The PLAGUE has been seen for what it is.
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Reply #89 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:20pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
The problem is not immigration.

The problem is the quality of immigrant we are getting now.

Dole budging, parasitic, twisted, thieving, violent, barbaric non-contributing cultists are no good for any country.

They are now being recognised all over the world, and I can attest to this, as worthless and nothing but trouble where ever they infect the country they can.

The US don't want them, Sweden don't want them, Finland don't want them, The French don't want them,  most Germans don't want them China won't have them.

The PLAGUE has been seen for what it is.

I disagree....  Immigration especially in large numbers under the policy of Multiculti IS indeed the Problem
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Reply #90 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:32pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
The problem is not immigration.

The problem is the quality of immigrant we are getting now.

Dole budging, parasitic, twisted, thieving, violent, barbaric non-contributing cultists are no good for any country.

They are now being recognised all over the world, and I can attest to this, as worthless and nothing but trouble where ever they infect the country they can.

The US don't want them, Sweden don't want them, Finland don't want them, The French don't want them,  most Germans don't want them China won't have them.

The PLAGUE has been seen for what it is.

I disagree....  Immigration especially in large numbers under the policy of Multiculti IS indeed the Problem


Next you will be demanding sufficient infrastructure
Sufficient work and sufficient water before you bring in more and more people.

Wash your mouth out
Our politicians are always right
More people is the answer

But what is the question.
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Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
The problem is not immigration.

The problem is the quality of immigrant we are getting now.

Dole budging, parasitic, twisted, thieving, violent, barbaric non-contributing cultists are no good for any country.

They are now being recognised all over the world, and I can attest to this, as worthless and nothing but trouble where ever they infect the country they can.

The US don't want them, Sweden don't want them, Finland don't want them, The French don't want them,  most Germans don't want them China won't have them.

The PLAGUE has been seen for what it is.


Valkie: frothing at the mouth.

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Reply #92 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:47am
 
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:48pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
The problem is not immigration.

The problem is the quality of immigrant we are getting now.

Dole budging, parasitic, twisted, thieving, violent, barbaric non-contributing cultists are no good for any country.

They are now being recognised all over the world, and I can attest to this, as worthless and nothing but trouble where ever they infect the country they can.

The US don't want them, Sweden don't want them, Finland don't want them, The French don't want them,  most Germans don't want them China won't have them.

The PLAGUE has been seen for what it is.


Valkie: frothing at the mouth.



Different issue - we're talking about recent imports of a totally different type as opposed to multi-generational citizens whose families have helped build the nation and who have been part of it for generations...

Do try to keep up.... comparisons with Hitler etc are absurd.... we're talking about a clear and present danger in many ways including a minority inclined to violence against this nation and society - he was talking about a base prejudice that had no real meaning ...

Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

(the above comment brought to you by a descendant of German Jews from Hamburg, some of whom, including my great-great-grandparents, had been there for generations and long enough to help build Germany and who left in the 1850's as a result of prejudice).....

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What do you consider recent?

The Vietnamese?
Lebanese?
Middle Eastern?

Kanakas?  Italians? English?  Irish?  Scottish?
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Reply #94 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:57am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 30th, 2018 at 6:51pm:
By Brooke Rolfe For Daily Mail Australia
03:02 AEST, 20 June 2018

For the first time in history the majority of Australians believe there are too many  immigrants entering the country, according to social research figures.
Nearly 55 per cent out of 1200 people thought the number of migrants coming to Australia was 'too high', in data collected by Social Research Centre in Melbourne.
Results from surveys carried out between March 5 and 25 revealed not everyone was happy with economic and social implications migrants were having on the country.

Research has revealed Australians believe there are too many immigrants entering the country.They showed points for dissatisfaction were up 14 points since last year and a staggering 17 points since 2014. 
About 10 per cent of people said it was 'too low', which was about the same amount as it was in 2014 and slightly down from about 18 per cent last year.
Immigration had not met the planned amount of 190,000 for the current financial year, with numbers still hanging significantly down.

Debate was recently sparked by New South Wales Labor leader Luke Foley who controversially highlighted a 'white flight' trend bought about by migrant families.
He was referring to low-income migrants forcing Anglo families out of affordable housing areas in Sydney's western suburbs.
Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton argued Labor was no longer an advocate for 'middle Australia' after it rejected a motion proposed by Conservatives senator Cory Bernardi.
'They voted to reject the notion that Australia's immigration program should operate in the interests of all Australians,' Mr Dutton told The Australian.

'They are captured by the radical left of their party.'
The motion called on the government to review migrant intake levels and to make sure it had no detrimental impacts on the economic, social or security interests of locals.
A separate Lowy Institute poll also found Australians to have the lowest level of trust in the United States ever recorded, with a 28 point fall since 2011 marked by a narrow majority of 55 per cent saying they trust the country to 'act responsibly'.
Nearly three quarters of Australians think the government has allowed too much investment from China, up from just 56 per cent in 2014.



ONly 1200 people? Thats not a valid statistical analysis.
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35,000 want Multiculti Abandoned.


Bwian keeps posting the elitist, vested interest, Scanlon Survey result...  but hey according to your logic not enough people in the survey to validate it eh.

BTW there have been several such survey results with ranges from 2-3000 people so I guess that is not enough for you either eh.

In case you missed it or are still in denial about it MOST AUSTRALIANS are AGAINST MASS IMMIGRATION.
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Reply #96 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:07am
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:00am:
35,000 want Multiculti Abandoned.


Bwian keeps posting the elitist, vested interest, Scanlon Survey result...  but hey according to your logic not enough people in the survey to validate it eh.





Ummm, actually my comment was to Mr Hammer. Whenever anyone posts a survey whose results he doesn't like, he craps on about statistical analysis and how small survey sizes mean the survey can't be real.

Just returning the idiocy of that thinking.
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Reply #97 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:12am
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:07am:
Grendel wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:00am:
35,000 want Multiculti Abandoned.


Bwian keeps posting the elitist, vested interest, Scanlon Survey result...  but hey according to your logic not enough people in the survey to validate it eh.





Ummm, actually my comment was to Mr Hammer. Whenever anyone posts a survey whose results he doesn't like, he craps on about statistical analysis and how small survey sizes mean the survey can't be real.

Just returning the idiocy of that thinking.



stats and polls  never tell the full story  thats why I take not the slightest notice of them.. most surveys are taken months before they are posted anyway...

may as well fill in one of those surveys in womens magazines....and take them as a mark of the whole country...

take them with a grain of salt.. Roll Eyes
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Reply #98 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:14am
 
cods wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:12am:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:07am:
Grendel wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:00am:
35,000 want Multiculti Abandoned.


Bwian keeps posting the elitist, vested interest, Scanlon Survey result...  but hey according to your logic not enough people in the survey to validate it eh.





Ummm, actually my comment was to Mr Hammer. Whenever anyone posts a survey whose results he doesn't like, he craps on about statistical analysis and how small survey sizes mean the survey can't be real.

Just returning the idiocy of that thinking.



stats and polls  never tell the full story  thats why I take not the slightest notice of them.. most surveys are taken months before they are posted anyway...

may as well fill in one of those surveys in womens magazines....and take them as a mark of the whole country...

take them with a grain of salt.. Roll Eyes

Unfortunately Cods pollies pay lots of attention to certain surveys from vested interest groups and form policy based on those results and recommendations regardless of what the people actually think.
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Reply #99 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:05pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:47am:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:48pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
The problem is not immigration.

The problem is the quality of immigrant we are getting now.

Dole budging, parasitic, twisted, thieving, violent, barbaric non-contributing cultists are no good for any country.

They are now being recognised all over the world, and I can attest to this, as worthless and nothing but trouble where ever they infect the country they can.

The US don't want them, Sweden don't want them, Finland don't want them, The French don't want them,  most Germans don't want them China won't have them.

The PLAGUE has been seen for what it is.


Valkie: frothing at the mouth.



Different issue - we're talking about recent imports of a totally different type as opposed to multi-generational citizens whose families have helped build the nation and who have been part of it for generations...

Do try to keep up.... comparisons with Hitler etc are absurd.... we're talking about a clear and present danger in many ways including a minority inclined to violence against this nation and society - he was talking about a base prejudice that had no real meaning ...

Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

(the above comment brought to you by a descendant of German Jews from Hamburg, some of whom, including my great-great-grandparents, had been there for generations and long enough to help build Germany and who left in the 1850's as a result of prejudice).....



You Grap try to keep up. I was referring to THE WAY IN WHICH Valkie speaks.

Just replace the word 'Jew' with Muslim.

"We're talking about Muslims here, they have no rights!!"
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Reply #100 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:50pm
 
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:05pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:47am:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:48pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
The problem is not immigration.

The problem is the quality of immigrant we are getting now.

Dole budging, parasitic, twisted, thieving, violent, barbaric non-contributing cultists are no good for any country.

They are now being recognised all over the world, and I can attest to this, as worthless and nothing but trouble where ever they infect the country they can.

The US don't want them, Sweden don't want them, Finland don't want them, The French don't want them,  most Germans don't want them China won't have them.

The PLAGUE has been seen for what it is.


Valkie: frothing at the mouth.



Different issue - we're talking about recent imports of a totally different type as opposed to multi-generational citizens whose families have helped build the nation and who have been part of it for generations...

Do try to keep up.... comparisons with Hitler etc are absurd.... we're talking about a clear and present danger in many ways including a minority inclined to violence against this nation and society - he was talking about a base prejudice that had no real meaning ...

Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes



(the above comment brought to you by a descendant of German Jews from Hamburg, some of whom, including my great-great-grandparents, had been there for generations and long enough to help build Germany and who left in the 1850's as a result of prejudice).....



You Grap try to keep up. I was referring to THE WAY IN WHICH Valkie speaks.

Just replace the word 'Jew' with Muslim.

"We're talking about Muslims here, they have no rights!!"


Jews don't murder children at concerts
Jews don't mutilate female genitalia to remove pleasure for them.
Jews don't murder people based on one thing, worship of a self confessed pedophile sociopath.

How can any logical person compare Jews to the CULT?
Wake up Mrs Smith.
No one anywhere in the world likes, trusts or wants the CULT.
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Reply #101 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:56pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:50pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:05pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:47am:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:48pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
The problem is not immigration.

The problem is the quality of immigrant we are getting now.

Dole budging, parasitic, twisted, thieving, violent, barbaric non-contributing cultists are no good for any country.

They are now being recognised all over the world, and I can attest to this, as worthless and nothing but trouble where ever they infect the country they can.

The US don't want them, Sweden don't want them, Finland don't want them, The French don't want them,  most Germans don't want them China won't have them.

The PLAGUE has been seen for what it is.


Valkie: frothing at the mouth.



Different issue - we're talking about recent imports of a totally different type as opposed to multi-generational citizens whose families have helped build the nation and who have been part of it for generations...

Do try to keep up.... comparisons with Hitler etc are absurd.... we're talking about a clear and present danger in many ways including a minority inclined to violence against this nation and society - he was talking about a base prejudice that had no real meaning ...

Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes



(the above comment brought to you by a descendant of German Jews from Hamburg, some of whom, including my great-great-grandparents, had been there for generations and long enough to help build Germany and who left in the 1850's as a result of prejudice).....



You Grap try to keep up. I was referring to THE WAY IN WHICH Valkie speaks.

Just replace the word 'Jew' with Muslim.

"We're talking about Muslims here, they have no rights!!"


Jews don't murder children at concerts
Jews don't mutilate female genitalia to remove pleasure for them.
Jews don't murder people based on one thing, worship of a self confessed pedophile sociopath.

How can any logical person compare Jews to the CULT?
Wake up Mrs Smith.
No one anywhere in the world likes, trusts or wants the CULT.


Well, you see Valkie, the Nazis did much worse.

Hate leads to violence, Valkie; the more hate your promote the more violence will come. This is what you need to understand.
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Reply #102 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:06pm
 
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:50pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:05pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:47am:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:48pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
The problem is not immigration.

The problem is the quality of immigrant we are getting now.

Dole budging, parasitic, twisted, thieving, violent, barbaric non-contributing cultists are no good for any country.

They are now being recognised all over the world, and I can attest to this, as worthless and nothing but trouble where ever they infect the country they can.

The US don't want them, Sweden don't want them, Finland don't want them, The French don't want them,  most Germans don't want them China won't have them.

The PLAGUE has been seen for what it is.


Valkie: frothing at the mouth.



Different issue - we're talking about recent imports of a totally different type as opposed to multi-generational citizens whose families have helped build the nation and who have been part of it for generations...

Do try to keep up.... comparisons with Hitler etc are absurd.... we're talking about a clear and present danger in many ways including a minority inclined to violence against this nation and society - he was talking about a base prejudice that had no real meaning ...

Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes



(the above comment brought to you by a descendant of German Jews from Hamburg, some of whom, including my great-great-grandparents, had been there for generations and long enough to help build Germany and who left in the 1850's as a result of prejudice).....



You Grap try to keep up. I was referring to THE WAY IN WHICH Valkie speaks.

Just replace the word 'Jew' with Muslim.

"We're talking about Muslims here, they have no rights!!"


Jews don't murder children at concerts
Jews don't mutilate female genitalia to remove pleasure for them.
Jews don't murder people based on one thing, worship of a self confessed pedophile sociopath.

How can any logical person compare Jews to the CULT?
Wake up Mrs Smith.
No one anywhere in the world likes, trusts or wants the CULT.


Well, you see Valkie, the Nazis did much worse.

Hate leads to violence, Valkie; the more hate your promote the more violence will come. This is what you need to understand.


Please explain that to the CULT

It propagates hatred, murder and terrorism far more than anything Hitler ever did

And for much much longer
Ever since the self confessed peodophile sociopath mutthead ruled.
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Reply #103 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:10pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:06pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:50pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:05pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:47am:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:48pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
The problem is not immigration.

The problem is the quality of immigrant we are getting now.

Dole budging, parasitic, twisted, thieving, violent, barbaric non-contributing cultists are no good for any country.

They are now being recognised all over the world, and I can attest to this, as worthless and nothing but trouble where ever they infect the country they can.

The US don't want them, Sweden don't want them, Finland don't want them, The French don't want them,  most Germans don't want them China won't have them.

The PLAGUE has been seen for what it is.


Valkie: frothing at the mouth.



Different issue - we're talking about recent imports of a totally different type as opposed to multi-generational citizens whose families have helped build the nation and who have been part of it for generations...

Do try to keep up.... comparisons with Hitler etc are absurd.... we're talking about a clear and present danger in many ways including a minority inclined to violence against this nation and society - he was talking about a base prejudice that had no real meaning ...

Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes



(the above comment brought to you by a descendant of German Jews from Hamburg, some of whom, including my great-great-grandparents, had been there for generations and long enough to help build Germany and who left in the 1850's as a result of prejudice).....



You Grap try to keep up. I was referring to THE WAY IN WHICH Valkie speaks.

Just replace the word 'Jew' with Muslim.

"We're talking about Muslims here, they have no rights!!"


Jews don't murder children at concerts
Jews don't mutilate female genitalia to remove pleasure for them.
Jews don't murder people based on one thing, worship of a self confessed pedophile sociopath.

How can any logical person compare Jews to the CULT?
Wake up Mrs Smith.
No one anywhere in the world likes, trusts or wants the CULT.


Well, you see Valkie, the Nazis did much worse.

Hate leads to violence, Valkie; the more hate your promote the more violence will come. This is what you need to understand.


Please explain that to the CULT

It propagates hatred, murder and terrorism far more than anything Hitler ever did

And for much much longer
Ever since the self confessed peodophile sociopath mutthead ruled.


So, you're happy to promote hatred as well, is that it?
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Reply #104 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:24pm
 
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:06pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:50pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:05pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:47am:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:48pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
The problem is not immigration.

The problem is the quality of immigrant we are getting now.

Dole budging, parasitic, twisted, thieving, violent, barbaric non-contributing cultists are no good for any country.

They are now being recognised all over the world, and I can attest to this, as worthless and nothing but trouble where ever they infect the country they can.

The US don't want them, Sweden don't want them, Finland don't want them, The French don't want them,  most Germans don't want them China won't have them.

The PLAGUE has been seen for what it is.


Valkie: frothing at the mouth.



Different issue - we're talking about recent imports of a totally different type as opposed to multi-generational citizens whose families have helped build the nation and who have been part of it for generations...

Do try to keep up.... comparisons with Hitler etc are absurd.... we're talking about a clear and present danger in many ways including a minority inclined to violence against this nation and society - he was talking about a base prejudice that had no real meaning ...

Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes



(the above comment brought to you by a descendant of German Jews from Hamburg, some of whom, including my great-great-grandparents, had been there for generations and long enough to help build Germany and who left in the 1850's as a result of prejudice).....



You Grap try to keep up. I was referring to THE WAY IN WHICH Valkie speaks.

Just replace the word 'Jew' with Muslim.

"We're talking about Muslims here, they have no rights!!"


Jews don't murder children at concerts
Jews don't mutilate female genitalia to remove pleasure for them.
Jews don't murder people based on one thing, worship of a self confessed pedophile sociopath.

How can any logical person compare Jews to the CULT?
Wake up Mrs Smith.
No one anywhere in the world likes, trusts or wants the CULT.


Well, you see Valkie, the Nazis did much worse.

Hate leads to violence, Valkie; the more hate your promote the more violence will come. This is what you need to understand.


Please explain that to the CULT

It propagates hatred, murder and terrorism far more than anything Hitler ever did

And for much much longer
Ever since the self confessed peodophile sociopath mutthead ruled.


So, you're happy to promote hatred as well, is that it?


You don't fight an aggressor by standing there and letting him hit you.
You fight like with like.
Or you die.
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Reply #105 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:28pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:24pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:06pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:50pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:05pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:47am:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:48pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
The problem is not immigration.

The problem is the quality of immigrant we are getting now.

Dole budging, parasitic, twisted, thieving, violent, barbaric non-contributing cultists are no good for any country.

They are now being recognised all over the world, and I can attest to this, as worthless and nothing but trouble where ever they infect the country they can.

The US don't want them, Sweden don't want them, Finland don't want them, The French don't want them,  most Germans don't want them China won't have them.

The PLAGUE has been seen for what it is.


Valkie: frothing at the mouth.



Different issue - we're talking about recent imports of a totally different type as opposed to multi-generational citizens whose families have helped build the nation and who have been part of it for generations...

Do try to keep up.... comparisons with Hitler etc are absurd.... we're talking about a clear and present danger in many ways including a minority inclined to violence against this nation and society - he was talking about a base prejudice that had no real meaning ...

Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes



(the above comment brought to you by a descendant of German Jews from Hamburg, some of whom, including my great-great-grandparents, had been there for generations and long enough to help build Germany and who left in the 1850's as a result of prejudice).....



You Grap try to keep up. I was referring to THE WAY IN WHICH Valkie speaks.

Just replace the word 'Jew' with Muslim.

"We're talking about Muslims here, they have no rights!!"


Jews don't murder children at concerts
Jews don't mutilate female genitalia to remove pleasure for them.
Jews don't murder people based on one thing, worship of a self confessed pedophile sociopath.

How can any logical person compare Jews to the CULT?
Wake up Mrs Smith.
No one anywhere in the world likes, trusts or wants the CULT.


Well, you see Valkie, the Nazis did much worse.

Hate leads to violence, Valkie; the more hate your promote the more violence will come. This is what you need to understand.


Please explain that to the CULT

It propagates hatred, murder and terrorism far more than anything Hitler ever did

And for much much longer
Ever since the self confessed peodophile sociopath mutthead ruled.


So, you're happy to promote hatred as well, is that it?


You don't fight an aggressor by standing there and letting him hit you.
You fight like with like.
Or you die.


Or you can preach tolerance and compassion and not abase yourself to their level.
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Reply #106 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:35pm
 
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:28pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:24pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:06pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:50pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:05pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:47am:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:48pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
The problem is not immigration.

The problem is the quality of immigrant we are getting now.

Dole budging, parasitic, twisted, thieving, violent, barbaric non-contributing cultists are no good for any country.

They are now being recognised all over the world, and I can attest to this, as worthless and nothing but trouble where ever they infect the country they can.

The US don't want them, Sweden don't want them, Finland don't want them, The French don't want them,  most Germans don't want them China won't have them.

The PLAGUE has been seen for what it is.


Valkie: frothing at the mouth.



Different issue - we're talking about recent imports of a totally different type as opposed to multi-generational citizens whose families have helped build the nation and who have been part of it for generations...

Do try to keep up.... comparisons with Hitler etc are absurd.... we're talking about a clear and present danger in many ways including a minority inclined to violence against this nation and society - he was talking about a base prejudice that had no real meaning ...

Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes



(the above comment brought to you by a descendant of German Jews from Hamburg, some of whom, including my great-great-grandparents, had been there for generations and long enough to help build Germany and who left in the 1850's as a result of prejudice).....



You Grap try to keep up. I was referring to THE WAY IN WHICH Valkie speaks.

Just replace the word 'Jew' with Muslim.

"We're talking about Muslims here, they have no rights!!"


Jews don't murder children at concerts
Jews don't mutilate female genitalia to remove pleasure for them.
Jews don't murder people based on one thing, worship of a self confessed pedophile sociopath.

How can any logical person compare Jews to the CULT?
Wake up Mrs Smith.
No one anywhere in the world likes, trusts or wants the CULT.


Well, you see Valkie, the Nazis did much worse.

Hate leads to violence, Valkie; the more hate your promote the more violence will come. This is what you need to understand.


Please explain that to the CULT

It propagates hatred, murder and terrorism far more than anything Hitler ever did

And for much much longer
Ever since the self confessed peodophile sociopath mutthead ruled.


So, you're happy to promote hatred as well, is that it?


You don't fight an aggressor by standing there and letting him hit you.
You fight like with like.
Or you die.

5
Or you can preach tolerance and compassion and not abase yourself to their level.


Good way to be destroyed.
Try that the next time you get into a bar fight and let me know how you go.

It's late and the jet lag is getting to me.
Good night
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Reply #107 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:38pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:35pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:28pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:24pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:06pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:50pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:05pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:47am:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:48pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
The problem is not immigration.

The problem is the quality of immigrant we are getting now.

Dole budging, parasitic, twisted, thieving, violent, barbaric non-contributing cultists are no good for any country.

They are now being recognised all over the world, and I can attest to this, as worthless and nothing but trouble where ever they infect the country they can.

The US don't want them, Sweden don't want them, Finland don't want them, The French don't want them,  most Germans don't want them China won't have them.

The PLAGUE has been seen for what it is.


Valkie: frothing at the mouth.



Different issue - we're talking about recent imports of a totally different type as opposed to multi-generational citizens whose families have helped build the nation and who have been part of it for generations...

Do try to keep up.... comparisons with Hitler etc are absurd.... we're talking about a clear and present danger in many ways including a minority inclined to violence against this nation and society - he was talking about a base prejudice that had no real meaning ...

Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes



(the above comment brought to you by a descendant of German Jews from Hamburg, some of whom, including my great-great-grandparents, had been there for generations and long enough to help build Germany and who left in the 1850's as a result of prejudice).....



You Grap try to keep up. I was referring to THE WAY IN WHICH Valkie speaks.

Just replace the word 'Jew' with Muslim.

"We're talking about Muslims here, they have no rights!!"


Jews don't murder children at concerts
Jews don't mutilate female genitalia to remove pleasure for them.
Jews don't murder people based on one thing, worship of a self confessed pedophile sociopath.

How can any logical person compare Jews to the CULT?
Wake up Mrs Smith.
No one anywhere in the world likes, trusts or wants the CULT.


Well, you see Valkie, the Nazis did much worse.

Hate leads to violence, Valkie; the more hate your promote the more violence will come. This is what you need to understand.


Please explain that to the CULT

It propagates hatred, murder and terrorism far more than anything Hitler ever did

And for much much longer
Ever since the self confessed peodophile sociopath mutthead ruled.


So, you're happy to promote hatred as well, is that it?


You don't fight an aggressor by standing there and letting him hit you.
You fight like with like.
Or you die.

5
Or you can preach tolerance and compassion and not abase yourself to their level.


Good way to be destroyed.
Try that the next time you get into a bar fight and let me know how you go.

It's late and the jet lag is getting to me.
Good night


I thought we were talking about words, not actions.
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So Auggie, interesting name you picked...  why?
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Grendel wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
So Auggie, interesting name you picked...  why?


Because I want to scare the living runs out of you.

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John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 8:00pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
So Auggie, interesting name you picked...  why?


Because I want to scare the living runs out of you.

Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink

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Enrolments at Ryde’s public schools have grown rapidly this decade, catching Department of Education planners flat-footed. “People who want to live in high-rise developments actually have kids and want to send them to good schools,” says Rod West, president of the P&C at Eastwood Heights Public School. He’s watched the school grow from 330 students in 2012 to more than 500 this year. Six demountable classrooms have eaten up play space. It’s a similar story at other schools in the area. According to the Greater Sydney Commission, by 2036 Ryde will have 8160 more school students; schools will need to become “community hubs”, it says, as land becomes scarce.
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Yet it’s being shaped by global megatrends – migration, the economic rise of Asia and the ­digital revolution – as much as parish vendettas and opportunism. Amid all this hyperactivity are three levels of government ­trying to plan, act, delay or stitch up someone else for the growing pains: traffic congestion, queues for public transport, less open space, overcrowded schools and hospitals, more crime and a simmering backlash against migrants.


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Occupational therapist Kate Priddle, a mother of two, has lived in Eastwood for eight years. She likes its vibrancy and multiculturalism, but to her mind population, traffic and aggravation have suddenly grown “exponentially”. “Being in the car is always stressful,” she says of the slow local journey times that cut cruelly into family life. “I feel as if I’m always rushing, chasing my tail.” Sick of ­battling the traffic, she changed jobs to be at a ­hospital closer to home but getting her son and daughter to activities is a constant battle. “When is the pace going to slow down?” Priddle says, exasperated. “Are proper plans being put into place to deal with all these growth issues? It seems developers have all the political sway.
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Reply #114 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:13pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
So Auggie, interesting name you picked...  why?


The original Auggie was Caesar Augustus and was more interested in politics than SJW causes.
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“Yes, and it’s all the immigrants coming here that are making it worse,” the woman says, her eyes soft, more a wistful postscript than a Hanson-like knee to the groin. “Oh, no, I have no problem with them,” Dominello fires back, both hands pushing at the awkward idea now out in the crisp morning air. “It’s not the fault of migrants, let’s not blame them for this. My family migrated here from Italy. The real issue is overdevelopment.


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At the Eastwood night markets on a gloomy Saturday, early evening trade at the food stalls is at a low burn. School coaching colleges have emptied; the Maximum Joy Company dessert bar is already busy at 5pm. There’s an amiable crush of people in the Village Superfresh, specialising in Asian ­vegetables. In Eastwood, 62 per cent of people are overseas-born, mainly from China (25 per cent), Korea (8 per cent) and Hong Kong (5 per cent).

Recently, provocative posters have popped up at bus shelters and light poles on main roads in Ryde. NO MORE ASIANS / IT’S NOT THE FACE OF AUSTRALIA / WE SPEAK ENGLISH and so on in a rambling screed. It’s the fourth time the signs have sprouted. Community leaders think it’s the work of outsiders. Labor councillor Peter Kim, who has Korean ancestry, says anti-migrant sentiment in Ryde is low. Among the older, ­Australian-born constituents Kim encounters in pubs and clubs, “a few people tell me they feel they are being pushed out by recent Asian migrants”. He listens to their concerns and laments there isn’t more interaction between “Asians and Caucasians”. According to Kim, Ryde’s Asian-Australians are increasingly worried about “the return of the White Australia Policy”. He ­collected 2700 signatures in a fortnight for a ­petition opposing Pauline Hanson’s Citizenship Bill, which included strict English language tests and an eight-year wait to become citizens.

“There’s a bipartisan position in NSW on migration,” says Dominello, days after Labor leader Luke Foley had been excoriated for ­comments about “white flight” in parts of Sydney. “Both the Premier and Leader of the Opposition have said, ‘We need to be at the table when it comes to ­population policy because we have to provide the schools, roads, rail, hospitals.’ It’s very hard to plan ahead when you don’t have controls over the amount of people coming in.”

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Reply #116 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:26pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:10pm:
Quote:
Yet it’s being shaped by global megatrends – migration, the economic rise of Asia and the ­digital revolution – as much as parish vendettas and opportunism. Amid all this hyperactivity are three levels of government ­trying to plan, act, delay or stitch up someone else for the growing pains: traffic congestion, queues for public transport, less open space, overcrowded schools and hospitals, more crime and a simmering backlash against migrants.


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Occupational therapist Kate Priddle, a mother of two, has lived in Eastwood for eight years. She likes its vibrancy and multiculturalism, but to her mind population, traffic and aggravation have suddenly grown “exponentially”. “Being in the car is always stressful,” she says of the slow local journey times that cut cruelly into family life. “I feel as if I’m always rushing, chasing my tail.” Sick of ­battling the traffic, she changed jobs to be at a ­hospital closer to home but getting her son and daughter to activities is a constant battle. “When is the pace going to slow down?” Priddle says, exasperated. “Are proper plans being put into place to deal with all these growth issues? It seems developers have all the political sway.




I am sitting in my dingy little office, where a stingy

  Ray of sunlight struggles feebly down between the houses tall,

And the foetid air and gritty of the dusty, dirty city

  Through the open window floating, spreads its foulness over all

And in place of lowing cattle, I can hear the fiendish rattle

  Of the tramways and the ‘buses making hurry down the street,

And the language uninviting of the gutter children fighting,

  Comes fitfully and faintly through the ceaseless tramp of feet.

And the hurrying people daunt me, and their pallid faces haunt me

  As they shoulder one another in their rush and nervous haste,

With their eager eyes and greedy, and their stunted forms and weedy,

  For townsfolk have no time to grow, they have no time to waste.

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Reply #117 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:32pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:13pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
So Auggie, interesting name you picked...  why?


The original Auggie was Caesar Augustus and was more interested in politics than SJW causes.

uh huh....  yet Auggie's name simply changed to this current one on his existing posts.
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When I hear their mindless ditty,
In that city dark and gritty,
And their foreign tongues a-wagging
As they to their humpies go,
Then I know that it's all sh1tty,
Not one part of it is pretty,
And I'd rather be with Clancy
Out there on the Overflow....

Where the wild bush horses follow
Down the bush tracks to the hollow,
Where the crystal waters
All run clear and true.
And it's there that I do wonder,
What the hell brought me asunder
To visit down that hell-hole
Of those cities full of spew....
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Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:26pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:10pm:
Quote:
Yet it’s being shaped by global megatrends – migration, the economic rise of Asia and the ­digital revolution – as much as parish vendettas and opportunism. Amid all this hyperactivity are three levels of government ­trying to plan, act, delay or stitch up someone else for the growing pains: traffic congestion, queues for public transport, less open space, overcrowded schools and hospitals, more crime and a simmering backlash against migrants.


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Occupational therapist Kate Priddle, a mother of two, has lived in Eastwood for eight years. She likes its vibrancy and multiculturalism, but to her mind population, traffic and aggravation have suddenly grown “exponentially”. “Being in the car is always stressful,” she says of the slow local journey times that cut cruelly into family life. “I feel as if I’m always rushing, chasing my tail.” Sick of ­battling the traffic, she changed jobs to be at a ­hospital closer to home but getting her son and daughter to activities is a constant battle. “When is the pace going to slow down?” Priddle says, exasperated. “Are proper plans being put into place to deal with all these growth issues? It seems developers have all the political sway.




I am sitting in my dingy little office, where a stingy

  Ray of sunlight struggles feebly down between the houses tall,

And the foetid air and gritty of the dusty, dirty city

  Through the open window floating, spreads its foulness over all

And in place of lowing cattle, I can hear the fiendish rattle

  Of the tramways and the ‘buses making hurry down the street,

And the language uninviting of the gutter children fighting,

  Comes fitfully and faintly through the ceaseless tramp of feet.

And the hurrying people daunt me, and their pallid faces haunt me

  As they shoulder one another in their rush and nervous haste,

With their eager eyes and greedy, and their stunted forms and weedy,

  For townsfolk have no time to grow, they have no time to waste.



Perhaps you should have written him a letter and for want for better knowledge sent it to him as you knew him years ago.
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In my wild erratic fancy visions come to me of Clancy

  Gone a-droving ‘down the Cooper’ where the Western drovers go;

As the stock are slowly stringing, Clancy rides behind them singing,

  For the drover’s life has pleasures that the townsfolk never know.

And the bush hath friends to meet him, and their kindly voices greet him

  In the murmur of the breezes and the river on its bars,

And he sees the vision splendid of the sunlit plains extended,

  And at night the wond’rous glory of the everlasting stars.
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Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:13pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
So Auggie, interesting name you picked...  why?


The original Auggie was Caesar Augustus and was more interested in politics than SJW causes.


Really? How so?
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Reply #122 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:56pm
 
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:13pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
So Auggie, interesting name you picked...  why?


The original Auggie was Caesar Augustus and was more interested in politics than SJW causes.


Really? How so?


It wasn't that long ago you joined, go back and read your posts.

edit: I could be wrong but I believe your introductory post said you were on the right.

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Reply #123 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:59pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:13pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
So Auggie, interesting name you picked...  why?


The original Auggie was Caesar Augustus and was more interested in politics than SJW causes.


Really? How so?


It wasn't that long ago you joined, go back and read your posts.

edit: I could be wrong but I believe your introductory post said you were on the right.



I honestly don't remember.

I do concede that I moved further toward the right, but now I'm swinging back to the Left, trying to find my place.

By the way, what do you have against Social Justice? Do you think it's a bad thing?
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Reply #124 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:05pm
 
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:59pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:13pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
So Auggie, interesting name you picked...  why?


The original Auggie was Caesar Augustus and was more interested in politics than SJW causes.


Really? How so?


It wasn't that long ago you joined, go back and read your posts.

edit: I could be wrong but I believe your introductory post said you were on the right.



I honestly don't remember.

I do concede that I moved further toward the right, but now I'm swinging back to the Left, trying to find my place.

By the way, what do you have against Social Justice? Do you think it's a bad thing?


I think that as an ideology it sucks. There are so many things that need work that worrying about someones "feelings" pales into insignificance. I don't care about you or most people's "feelings". Identity politics suck hairy donkey balls. I'm almost of the opinion that we need a war to make these softcocks realise what really matters and make them work with the rest of us rather than undermine our society. No, I'm not in favour of war but sometimes I think that is what it would take to make dim witted SJWs see reality.

edit: Are you triggered yet? Grin
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Re: Poll Says Too Much Immigration
Reply #125 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:13pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:05pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:59pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:13pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
So Auggie, interesting name you picked...  why?


The original Auggie was Caesar Augustus and was more interested in politics than SJW causes.


Really? How so?


It wasn't that long ago you joined, go back and read your posts.

edit: I could be wrong but I believe your introductory post said you were on the right.



I honestly don't remember.

I do concede that I moved further toward the right, but now I'm swinging back to the Left, trying to find my place.

By the way, what do you have against Social Justice? Do you think it's a bad thing?


I think that as an ideology it sucks. There are so many things that need work that worrying about someones "feelings" pales into insignificance. I don't care about you or most people's "feelings". Identity politics suck hairy donkey balls. I'm almost of the opinion that we need a war to make these softcocks realise what really matters and make them work with the rest of us rather than undermine our society. No, I'm not in favour of war but sometimes I think that is what it would take to make dim witted SJWs see reality.

edit: Are you triggered? Grin


Cool
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Re: Poll Says Too Much Immigration
Reply #126 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:26pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:05pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:59pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:13pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
So Auggie, interesting name you picked...  why?


The original Auggie was Caesar Augustus and was more interested in politics than SJW causes.


Really? How so?


It wasn't that long ago you joined, go back and read your posts.

edit: I could be wrong but I believe your introductory post said you were on the right.



I honestly don't remember.

I do concede that I moved further toward the right, but now I'm swinging back to the Left, trying to find my place.

By the way, what do you have against Social Justice? Do you think it's a bad thing?


I think that as an ideology it sucks. There are so many things that need work that worrying about someones "feelings" pales into insignificance. I don't care about you or most people's "feelings". Identity politics suck hairy donkey balls. I'm almost of the opinion that we need a war to make these softcocks realise what really matters and make them work with the rest of us rather than undermine our society. No, I'm not in favour of war but sometimes I think that is what it would take to make dim witted SJWs see reality.

edit: Are you triggered yet? Grin



Man!  I feel oppressed  - I demand Social Justice.....  Huh

In The Great Silence following WW I, when many country hamlets were denuded of men - women viewed men with a far higher level of respect than they do now...

Funny that.... same after WW II - those who came safe home were treated with civility and respect and many upward social movement for the many took place as a result...

It seems that only by the slaughter of its young men does any society begin to confront reality......

I'm glad my son missed out on ADFA though I pushed him to it and he regrets not getting in (PC)... but at 31 he's fit as a bull and runs like the wind and trains every day in the hope..... but I know he's on a short list for officer if and when The Next Big One comes along..... not without me along.... I may be old but I'm smart.....
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Re: Poll Says Too Much Immigration
Reply #127 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:34pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:26pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:05pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:59pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:13pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
So Auggie, interesting name you picked...  why?


The original Auggie was Caesar Augustus and was more interested in politics than SJW causes.


Really? How so?


It wasn't that long ago you joined, go back and read your posts.

edit: I could be wrong but I believe your introductory post said you were on the right.



I honestly don't remember.

I do concede that I moved further toward the right, but now I'm swinging back to the Left, trying to find my place.

By the way, what do you have against Social Justice? Do you think it's a bad thing?


I think that as an ideology it sucks. There are so many things that need work that worrying about someones "feelings" pales into insignificance. I don't care about you or most people's "feelings". Identity politics suck hairy donkey balls. I'm almost of the opinion that we need a war to make these softcocks realise what really matters and make them work with the rest of us rather than undermine our society. No, I'm not in favour of war but sometimes I think that is what it would take to make dim witted SJWs see reality.

edit: Are you triggered yet? Grin



Man!  I feel oppressed  - I demand Social Justice.....  Huh


We have people employed to hug old men feeling sad and rooms painted blue with unicorns on the walls and fluffy toys for you to interact with in a meaningful and loving way. Come into out blue room Grap, you'll never look back, the real world will slide into the past and the future will be in your hands, perhaps a snuggley white seal would suit you.

We also have a red pill.
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Re: Poll Says Too Much Immigration
Reply #128 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 5:23pm
 
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:38pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:35pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:28pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:24pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:06pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:50pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:05pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:47am:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:48pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
The problem is not immigration.

The problem is the quality of immigrant we are getting now.

Dole budging, parasitic, twisted, thieving, violent, barbaric non-contributing cultists are no good for any country.

They are now being recognised all over the world, and I can attest to this, as worthless and nothing but trouble where ever they infect the country they can.

The US don't want them, Sweden don't want them, Finland don't want them, The French don't want them,  most Germans don't want them China won't have them.

The PLAGUE has been seen for what it is.


Valkie: frothing at the mouth.



Different issue - we're talking about recent imports of a totally different type as opposed to multi-generational citizens whose families have helped build the nation and who have been part of it for generations...

Do try to keep up.... comparisons with Hitler etc are absurd.... we're talking about a clear and present danger in many ways including a minority inclined to violence against this nation and society - he was talking about a base prejudice that had no real meaning ...

Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes



(the above comment brought to you by a descendant of German Jews from Hamburg, some of whom, including my great-great-grandparents, had been there for generations and long enough to help build Germany and who left in the 1850's as a result of prejudice).....



You Grap try to keep up. I was referring to THE WAY IN WHICH Valkie speaks.

Just replace the word 'Jew' with Muslim.

"We're talking about Muslims here, they have no rights!!"


Jews don't murder children at concerts
Jews don't mutilate female genitalia to remove pleasure for them.
Jews don't murder people based on one thing, worship of a self confessed pedophile sociopath.

How can any logical person compare Jews to the CULT?
Wake up Mrs Smith.
No one anywhere in the world likes, trusts or wants the CULT.


Well, you see Valkie, the Nazis did much worse.

Hate leads to violence, Valkie; the more hate your promote the more violence will come. This is what you need to understand.


Please explain that to the CULT

It propagates hatred, murder and terrorism far more than anything Hitler ever did

And for much much longer
Ever since the self confessed peodophile sociopath mutthead ruled.


So, you're happy to promote hatred as well, is that it?


You don't fight an aggressor by standing there and letting him hit you.
You fight like with like.
Or you die.

5
Or you can preach tolerance and compassion and not abase yourself to their level.


Good way to be destroyed.
Try that the next time you get into a bar fight and let me know how you go.

It's late and the jet lag is getting to me.
Good night


I thought we were talking about words, not actions.


Words are worthless noise without something to back them up.

That is why I couldn't care less what people say, more about what they do.

That's why politicians are grubs to me.
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Re: Poll Says Too Much Immigration
Reply #129 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:01pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:05pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:59pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:13pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
So Auggie, interesting name you picked...  why?


The original Auggie was Caesar Augustus and was more interested in politics than SJW causes.


Really? How so?


It wasn't that long ago you joined, go back and read your posts.

edit: I could be wrong but I believe your introductory post said you were on the right.



I honestly don't remember.

I do concede that I moved further toward the right, but now I'm swinging back to the Left, trying to find my place.

By the way, what do you have against Social Justice? Do you think it's a bad thing?


I think that as an ideology it sucks. There are so many things that need work that worrying about someones "feelings" pales into insignificance. I don't care about you or most people's "feelings". Identity politics suck hairy donkey balls. I'm almost of the opinion that we need a war to make these softcocks realise what really matters and make them work with the rest of us rather than undermine our society. No, I'm not in favour of war but sometimes I think that is what it would take to make dim witted SJWs see reality.

edit: Are you triggered yet? Grin


I know the old 'Rightist' rhetoric of 'facts don't care about your feelings'. Unfortunately, life's a bit come complicated than that.

For e.g. are you more likely or less likely to gain support for policies if you go around offending people?

Is hate speech more likely to less likely to motivate people to become violent??
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Re: Poll Says Too Much Immigration
Reply #130 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:04pm
 
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:01pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:05pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:59pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:13pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
So Auggie, interesting name you picked...  why?


The original Auggie was Caesar Augustus and was more interested in politics than SJW causes.


Really? How so?


It wasn't that long ago you joined, go back and read your posts.

edit: I could be wrong but I believe your introductory post said you were on the right.



I honestly don't remember.

I do concede that I moved further toward the right, but now I'm swinging back to the Left, trying to find my place.

By the way, what do you have against Social Justice? Do you think it's a bad thing?


I think that as an ideology it sucks. There are so many things that need work that worrying about someones "feelings" pales into insignificance. I don't care about you or most people's "feelings". Identity politics suck hairy donkey balls. I'm almost of the opinion that we need a war to make these softcocks realise what really matters and make them work with the rest of us rather than undermine our society. No, I'm not in favour of war but sometimes I think that is what it would take to make dim witted SJWs see reality.

edit: Are you triggered yet? Grin


I know the old 'Rightist' rhetoric of 'facts don't care about your feelings'. Unfortunately, life's a bit come complicated than that.

For e.g. are you more likely or less likely to gain support for policies if you go around offending people?

Is hate speech more likely to less likely to motivate people to become violent??

That wouldn't be a problem but you lefties are  so easily offended.
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Re: Poll Says Too Much Immigration
Reply #131 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:12pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:04pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:01pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:05pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:59pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:13pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
So Auggie, interesting name you picked...  why?


The original Auggie was Caesar Augustus and was more interested in politics than SJW causes.


Really? How so?


It wasn't that long ago you joined, go back and read your posts.

edit: I could be wrong but I believe your introductory post said you were on the right.



I honestly don't remember.

I do concede that I moved further toward the right, but now I'm swinging back to the Left, trying to find my place.

By the way, what do you have against Social Justice? Do you think it's a bad thing?


I think that as an ideology it sucks. There are so many things that need work that worrying about someones "feelings" pales into insignificance. I don't care about you or most people's "feelings". Identity politics suck hairy donkey balls. I'm almost of the opinion that we need a war to make these softcocks realise what really matters and make them work with the rest of us rather than undermine our society. No, I'm not in favour of war but sometimes I think that is what it would take to make dim witted SJWs see reality.

edit: Are you triggered yet? Grin


I know the old 'Rightist' rhetoric of 'facts don't care about your feelings'. Unfortunately, life's a bit come complicated than that.

For e.g. are you more likely or less likely to gain support for policies if you go around offending people?

Is hate speech more likely to less likely to motivate people to become violent??

That wouldn't be a problem but you lefties are  so easily offended.


Really? Did hate speech play a role in fomenting jealous and hatred toward Jews in Nazi Germany? Or were the Germans already Jew-haters??
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Re: Poll Says Too Much Immigration
Reply #132 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:39pm
 
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:12pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:04pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:01pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:05pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:59pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:13pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
So Auggie, interesting name you picked...  why?


The original Auggie was Caesar Augustus and was more interested in politics than SJW causes.


Really? How so?


It wasn't that long ago you joined, go back and read your posts.

edit: I could be wrong but I believe your introductory post said you were on the right.



I honestly don't remember.

I do concede that I moved further toward the right, but now I'm swinging back to the Left, trying to find my place.

By the way, what do you have against Social Justice? Do you think it's a bad thing?


I think that as an ideology it sucks. There are so many things that need work that worrying about someones "feelings" pales into insignificance. I don't care about you or most people's "feelings". Identity politics suck hairy donkey balls. I'm almost of the opinion that we need a war to make these softcocks realise what really matters and make them work with the rest of us rather than undermine our society. No, I'm not in favour of war but sometimes I think that is what it would take to make dim witted SJWs see reality.

edit: Are you triggered yet? Grin


I know the old 'Rightist' rhetoric of 'facts don't care about your feelings'. Unfortunately, life's a bit come complicated than that.

For e.g. are you more likely or less likely to gain support for policies if you go around offending people?

Is hate speech more likely to less likely to motivate people to become violent??

That wouldn't be a problem but you lefties are  so easily offended.


Really? Did hate speech play a role in fomenting jealous and hatred toward Jews in Nazi Germany? Or were the Germans already Jew-haters??

The Jews held the German economy in their hands while people were starving. That's where the hate speech permeated.
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Reply #133 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:42pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:12pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:04pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:01pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:05pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:59pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:13pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
So Auggie, interesting name you picked...  why?


The original Auggie was Caesar Augustus and was more interested in politics than SJW causes.


Really? How so?


It wasn't that long ago you joined, go back and read your posts.

edit: I could be wrong but I believe your introductory post said you were on the right.



I honestly don't remember.

I do concede that I moved further toward the right, but now I'm swinging back to the Left, trying to find my place.

By the way, what do you have against Social Justice? Do you think it's a bad thing?


I think that as an ideology it sucks. There are so many things that need work that worrying about someones "feelings" pales into insignificance. I don't care about you or most people's "feelings". Identity politics suck hairy donkey balls. I'm almost of the opinion that we need a war to make these softcocks realise what really matters and make them work with the rest of us rather than undermine our society. No, I'm not in favour of war but sometimes I think that is what it would take to make dim witted SJWs see reality.

edit: Are you triggered yet? Grin


I know the old 'Rightist' rhetoric of 'facts don't care about your feelings'. Unfortunately, life's a bit come complicated than that.

For e.g. are you more likely or less likely to gain support for policies if you go around offending people?

Is hate speech more likely to less likely to motivate people to become violent??

That wouldn't be a problem but you lefties are  so easily offended.


Really? Did hate speech play a role in fomenting jealous and hatred toward Jews in Nazi Germany? Or were the Germans already Jew-haters??

The Jews held the German economy in their hands while people were starving. That's where the hate speech permeated.


Your analysis of the 1930's German economy is once again juvenile.

No, the Jews didn't hold the Germany economy; if they did, don't you think they would've used their economic power to stop the Nazis.

The hate speech motivated people to hate Jews and blame them. It's a vicious cycle.
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Re: Poll Says Too Much Immigration
Reply #134 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:48pm
 
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:42pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:12pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:04pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:01pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:05pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:59pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:13pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
So Auggie, interesting name you picked...  why?


The original Auggie was Caesar Augustus and was more interested in politics than SJW causes.


Really? How so?


It wasn't that long ago you joined, go back and read your posts.

edit: I could be wrong but I believe your introductory post said you were on the right.



I honestly don't remember.

I do concede that I moved further toward the right, but now I'm swinging back to the Left, trying to find my place.

By the way, what do you have against Social Justice? Do you think it's a bad thing?


I think that as an ideology it sucks. There are so many things that need work that worrying about someones "feelings" pales into insignificance. I don't care about you or most people's "feelings". Identity politics suck hairy donkey balls. I'm almost of the opinion that we need a war to make these softcocks realise what really matters and make them work with the rest of us rather than undermine our society. No, I'm not in favour of war but sometimes I think that is what it would take to make dim witted SJWs see reality.

edit: Are you triggered yet? Grin


I know the old 'Rightist' rhetoric of 'facts don't care about your feelings'. Unfortunately, life's a bit come complicated than that.

For e.g. are you more likely or less likely to gain support for policies if you go around offending people?

Is hate speech more likely to less likely to motivate people to become violent??

That wouldn't be a problem but you lefties are  so easily offended.


Really? Did hate speech play a role in fomenting jealous and hatred toward Jews in Nazi Germany? Or were the Germans already Jew-haters??

The Jews held the German economy in their hands while people were starving. That's where the hate speech permeated.


Your analysis of the 1930's German economy is once again juvenile.

No, the Jews didn't hold the Germany economy; if they did, don't you think they would've used their economic power to stop the Nazis.

The hate speech motivated people to hate Jews and blame them. It's a vicious cycle.

The point I'm making is that hate speech starts when enough people are not satisfied with something. Certain Jews did hold immense wealth in depression era Germany and innocent Jews  got caught up in it. A lesson to governments- if you don't want racism in Australia  then re-think filling up our country with immigrants with the publics consent. People are angry about certain things and immigration is one of them.
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Reply #135 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:59pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:48pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:42pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:12pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:04pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 6:01pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:05pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:59pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:13pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
So Auggie, interesting name you picked...  why?


The original Auggie was Caesar Augustus and was more interested in politics than SJW causes.


Really? How so?


It wasn't that long ago you joined, go back and read your posts.

edit: I could be wrong but I believe your introductory post said you were on the right.



I honestly don't remember.

I do concede that I moved further toward the right, but now I'm swinging back to the Left, trying to find my place.

By the way, what do you have against Social Justice? Do you think it's a bad thing?


I think that as an ideology it sucks. There are so many things that need work that worrying about someones "feelings" pales into insignificance. I don't care about you or most people's "feelings". Identity politics suck hairy donkey balls. I'm almost of the opinion that we need a war to make these softcocks realise what really matters and make them work with the rest of us rather than undermine our society. No, I'm not in favour of war but sometimes I think that is what it would take to make dim witted SJWs see reality.

edit: Are you triggered yet? Grin


I know the old 'Rightist' rhetoric of 'facts don't care about your feelings'. Unfortunately, life's a bit come complicated than that.

For e.g. are you more likely or less likely to gain support for policies if you go around offending people?

Is hate speech more likely to less likely to motivate people to become violent??

That wouldn't be a problem but you lefties are  so easily offended.


Really? Did hate speech play a role in fomenting jealous and hatred toward Jews in Nazi Germany? Or were the Germans already Jew-haters??

The Jews held the German economy in their hands while people were starving. That's where the hate speech permeated.


Your analysis of the 1930's German economy is once again juvenile.

No, the Jews didn't hold the Germany economy; if they did, don't you think they would've used their economic power to stop the Nazis.

The hate speech motivated people to hate Jews and blame them. It's a vicious cycle.

The point I'm making is that hate speech starts when enough people are not satisfied with something. Certain Jews did hold immense wealth in depression era Germany and innocent Jews  got caught up in it. A lesson to governments- if you don't want racism in Australia  then re-think filling up our country with immigrants with the publics consent. People are angry about certain things and immigration is one of them.


People are never satisfied; they (and politicians will always blame someone for the country's problems. Hate speech CAN (being the operative word here) motivate and inspire people to commit malicious acts.

Regarding your second point: first the Jews weren't immigrants to Germany. They'd been there for centuries and were as German as the Kaiser.

Next, you're now saying that it's governments' fault for 'letting in migrants' to a country and completing absolving people of responsibility for their own actions. Most people have throughout history been able to comfortably adapt to a multiculturalism, and in this global age it's almost imperative.
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The discussion on mass immigration is long overdue for discussion. Labor love it because immigrants usually vote Labor. The business world loves it because a desperate worker is a good worker and it drives down wages. The ordinary working stiff sees no benefit at all. Their neighbourhoods change and become congested. Then people get frustrated and irrational  because they aren't being heard. And then comes the hate speech. Hate speech is a symptom of a bigger disease. Leaders need to start listening. It needs to be talked about.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
The discussion on mass immigration is long overdue for discussion. Labor love it because immigrants usually vote Labor. The business world loves it because a desperate worker is a good worker and it drives down wages. The ordinary working stiff sees no benefit at all. Their neighbourhoods change and become congested. Then people get frustrated and irrational  because they aren't being heard. And then comes the hate speech. Hate speech is a symptom of a bigger disease. Leaders need to start listening. It needs to be talked about.


The issue with immigration seems to be that it's not managed correctly. Having migrants flocked to the bigger cities probably isn't a great idea.

I would be open to actually preventing migrants from working in Sydney and Melbourne, and confining them, temporarily to other cities.

The smaller cities could accommodate migrants more easily than the bigger cities.

The Government should re-line Sydney and Melbourne for 10 years. If they want to visit, they can, but they can't work there or live their for a prolonged period of time.
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John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
The discussion on mass immigration is long overdue for discussion. Labor love it because immigrants usually vote Labor. The business world loves it because a desperate worker is a good worker and it drives down wages. The ordinary working stiff sees no benefit at all. Their neighbourhoods change and become congested. Then people get frustrated and irrational  because they aren't being heard. And then comes the hate speech. Hate speech is a symptom of a bigger disease. Leaders need to start listening. It needs to be talked about.


The issue with immigration seems to be that it's not managed correctly. Having migrants flocked to the bigger cities probably isn't a great idea.

I would be open to actually preventing migrants from working in Sydney and Melbourne, and confining them, temporarily to other cities.

The smaller cities could accommodate migrants more easily than the bigger cities.

The Government should re-line Sydney and Melbourne for 10 years. If they want to visit, they can, but they can't work there or live their for a prolonged period of time.

How can you tell migrants where to live? Because they didn't take note of where new migrant groups went they let ethnic districts emerge. Migrants want to live with their own kind. They don't want to live out in the country surrounded by aussies. Like you alluded to- people are angry because it hasn't been planned properly and is too much too fast.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:12pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
The discussion on mass immigration is long overdue for discussion. Labor love it because immigrants usually vote Labor. The business world loves it because a desperate worker is a good worker and it drives down wages. The ordinary working stiff sees no benefit at all. Their neighbourhoods change and become congested. Then people get frustrated and irrational  because they aren't being heard. And then comes the hate speech. Hate speech is a symptom of a bigger disease. Leaders need to start listening. It needs to be talked about.


The issue with immigration seems to be that it's not managed correctly. Having migrants flocked to the bigger cities probably isn't a great idea.

I would be open to actually preventing migrants from working in Sydney and Melbourne, and confining them, temporarily to other cities.

The smaller cities could accommodate migrants more easily than the bigger cities.

The Government should re-line Sydney and Melbourne for 10 years. If they want to visit, they can, but they can't work there or live their for a prolonged period of time.

How can you tell migrants where to live? Because they didn't take note of where new migrant groups went they let ethnic districts emerge. Migrants want to live with their own kind. They don't want to live out in the country surrounded by aussies. Like you alluded to- people are angry because it hasn't been planned properly and is too much too fast.


I simply came up with that idea at the top of my head. I don't know how it would or if it would work in reality. I know that some countries require citizens to live and work in the capital/large city, but I don't know how it would work in Australia.

I think it's better to have migrants live in Australia in a community of not their choosing, than to reject them; and I'm sure that migrants would prefer that too.

I see your point though: more planning is required to accommodate employment, housing etc. I think that red lining the big cities could be an interesting idea.
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John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:19pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:12pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
The discussion on mass immigration is long overdue for discussion. Labor love it because immigrants usually vote Labor. The business world loves it because a desperate worker is a good worker and it drives down wages. The ordinary working stiff sees no benefit at all. Their neighbourhoods change and become congested. Then people get frustrated and irrational  because they aren't being heard. And then comes the hate speech. Hate speech is a symptom of a bigger disease. Leaders need to start listening. It needs to be talked about.


The issue with immigration seems to be that it's not managed correctly. Having migrants flocked to the bigger cities probably isn't a great idea.

I would be open to actually preventing migrants from working in Sydney and Melbourne, and confining them, temporarily to other cities.

The smaller cities could accommodate migrants more easily than the bigger cities.

The Government should re-line Sydney and Melbourne for 10 years. If they want to visit, they can, but they can't work there or live their for a prolonged period of time.

How can you tell migrants where to live? Because they didn't take note of where new migrant groups went they let ethnic districts emerge. Migrants want to live with their own kind. They don't want to live out in the country surrounded by aussies. Like you alluded to- people are angry because it hasn't been planned properly and is too much too fast.


I simply came up with that idea at the top of my head. I don't know how it would or if it would work in reality. I know that some countries require citizens to live and work in the capital/large city, but I don't know how it would work in Australia.

I think it's better to have migrants live in Australia in a community of not their choosing, than to reject them; and I'm sure that migrants would prefer that too.

I see your point though: more planning is required to accommodate employment, housing etc. I think that red lining the big cities could be an interesting idea.
If you want migrants to live in regional areas then you need farming/mining type people. Because that's what they mostly do out there. Indians for instance drive taxis and do factory work etc. They come from big cities. Many of these low skilled migrants they are bringing out here would end up back in the cities even if forced to move out there . Australia needs to be more choosy. People are migrating out here and becoming uber drivers. We don't need these people.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:29pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:19pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:12pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
The discussion on mass immigration is long overdue for discussion. Labor love it because immigrants usually vote Labor. The business world loves it because a desperate worker is a good worker and it drives down wages. The ordinary working stiff sees no benefit at all. Their neighbourhoods change and become congested. Then people get frustrated and irrational  because they aren't being heard. And then comes the hate speech. Hate speech is a symptom of a bigger disease. Leaders need to start listening. It needs to be talked about.


The issue with immigration seems to be that it's not managed correctly. Having migrants flocked to the bigger cities probably isn't a great idea.

I would be open to actually preventing migrants from working in Sydney and Melbourne, and confining them, temporarily to other cities.

The smaller cities could accommodate migrants more easily than the bigger cities.

The Government should re-line Sydney and Melbourne for 10 years. If they want to visit, they can, but they can't work there or live their for a prolonged period of time.

How can you tell migrants where to live? Because they didn't take note of where new migrant groups went they let ethnic districts emerge. Migrants want to live with their own kind. They don't want to live out in the country surrounded by aussies. Like you alluded to- people are angry because it hasn't been planned properly and is too much too fast.


I simply came up with that idea at the top of my head. I don't know how it would or if it would work in reality. I know that some countries require citizens to live and work in the capital/large city, but I don't know how it would work in Australia.

I think it's better to have migrants live in Australia in a community of not their choosing, than to reject them; and I'm sure that migrants would prefer that too.

I see your point though: more planning is required to accommodate employment, housing etc. I think that red lining the big cities could be an interesting idea.
If you want migrants to live in regional areas then you need farming/mining type people. Because that's what they mostly do out there. Indians for instance drive taxis and do factory work etc. They come from big cities. Many of these low skilled migrants they are bringing out here would end up back in the cities even if forced to move out there . Australia needs to be more choosy. People are migrating out here and becoming uber drivers. We don't need these people.


They're becoming Uber drivers because we don't recognise their qualifications. Many of these taxi drivers have a high education in their own country. But, because we want to make money, we force them to study again.

Many of the Punjabi immigrants could work on farms; they're mostly rural aren't they?
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In order to ensure that qualified overseas professionals meet Australian standards for certification, they need to be scrutinised close up and receive remedial training before being turned loose on the public... plenty of examples of malpractice by foreign trained doctors etc...

Yes, Effendi - I was local dentist, farrier, and camel pile removal surgeon in my village............ in spare time doubled as help for midwife.... no harder than remove camel piles ....
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When I had to Vet applicants for jobs in IT, we had many from the Philippines, many included Uni certificates for various degrees etc and they didn't even have the same name on them as the applicant.  Sometimes they were not even the same sex. Roll Eyes
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Grendel wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:31pm:
When I had to Vet applicants for jobs in IT, we had many from the Philippines, many included Uni certificates for various degrees etc and they didn't even have the same name on them as the applicant.  Sometimes they were not even the same sex. Roll Eyes


There are some strange naming customs in the Philippines.

What appears on the testamur would probably be their legal name.

On a job application, and elsewhere, they probably use their "street" name.

And, the sex of the graduate doesn't appear on a university testamur.



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greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:45pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:31pm:
When I had to Vet applicants for jobs in IT, we had many from the Philippines, many included Uni certificates for various degrees etc and they didn't even have the same name on them as the applicant.  Sometimes they were not even the same sex. Roll Eyes


There are some strange naming customs in the Philippines.

What appears on the testamur would probably be their legal name.

On a job application, and elsewhere, they probably use their "street" name.

And, the sex of the graduate doesn't appear on a university testamur.

Oh dear here he comes MR excuse.... 
No gweggy I am quite aware and capable of doing my job thanks.
I never said the sex appeared on the certificate, nice try...  but
FAIL.
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Grendel wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:57pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:45pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:31pm:
When I had to Vet applicants for jobs in IT, we had many from the Philippines, many included Uni certificates for various degrees etc and they didn't even have the same name on them as the applicant.  Sometimes they were not even the same sex. Roll Eyes


There are some strange naming customs in the Philippines.

What appears on the testamur would probably be their legal name.

On a job application, and elsewhere, they probably use their "street" name.

And, the sex of the graduate doesn't appear on a university testamur.

Oh dear here he comes MR excuse.... 
No gweggy I am quite aware and capable of doing my job thanks.
I never said the sex appeared on the certificate, nice try...  but
FAIL.


So what did you mean by this?

"Sometimes they were not even the same sex."

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greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:58pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:57pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:45pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:31pm:
When I had to Vet applicants for jobs in IT, we had many from the Philippines, many included Uni certificates for various degrees etc and they didn't even have the same name on them as the applicant.  Sometimes they were not even the same sex. Roll Eyes


There are some strange naming customs in the Philippines.

What appears on the testamur would probably be their legal name.

On a job application, and elsewhere, they probably use their "street" name.

And, the sex of the graduate doesn't appear on a university testamur.

Oh dear here he comes MR excuse.... 
No gweggy I am quite aware and capable of doing my job thanks.
I never said the sex appeared on the certificate, nice try...  but
FAIL.


So what did you mean by this?

"Sometimes they were not even the same sex."


gee , I don't know what do YOU think I meant...

That the name on the certificate didn't match the name on the application and one was male and one was female perhaps? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Grendel wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 4:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:58pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:57pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:45pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:31pm:
When I had to Vet applicants for jobs in IT, we had many from the Philippines, many included Uni certificates for various degrees etc and they didn't even have the same name on them as the applicant.  Sometimes they were not even the same sex. Roll Eyes


There are some strange naming customs in the Philippines.

What appears on the testamur would probably be their legal name.

On a job application, and elsewhere, they probably use their "street" name.

And, the sex of the graduate doesn't appear on a university testamur.

Oh dear here he comes MR excuse.... 
No gweggy I am quite aware and capable of doing my job thanks.
I never said the sex appeared on the certificate, nice try...  but
FAIL.


So what did you mean by this?

"Sometimes they were not even the same sex."


gee , I don't know what do YOU think I meant...

That the name on the certificate didn't match the name on the application and one was male and one was female perhaps? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


I've given you a perfectly reasonable explanation of why the names might not match.

Moreover, names don't have a sex.

They're just words.

However, for the sake of your argument, what "sex" are these names, for example?

- Kim

- Alex

- Chris

- Drew

- Glenn

- Jamie

- Jesse

- Kelly

- Pat
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Reply #149 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 5:14pm
 
Another thread hijacked by the troll.

I have seen the same as you.
Overseas " certificates" are quite often rubbish.
I had an "Electrical engineer" from India, apply for a job and i was on the selection committee.

I asked a simple question which required a very basic understanding of Ohms law.
He didn't know OHMS law or how to apply it.

These creeps buy qualifications, read a bit and wing it.
Seen it too many times
All overseas applicants should have top pass the final year exams before they can claim qualifications.
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Oh dear he's such a Willy Wonka...

Weren't any of those English names Gweggy...

I know how to do my job... 

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greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 4:19pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 4:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:58pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:57pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:45pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:31pm:
When I had to Vet applicants for jobs in IT, we had many from the Philippines, many included Uni certificates for various degrees etc and they didn't even have the same name on them as the applicant.  Sometimes they were not even the same sex. Roll Eyes


There are some strange naming customs in the Philippines.

What appears on the testamur would probably be their legal name.

On a job application, and elsewhere, they probably use their "street" name.

And, the sex of the graduate doesn't appear on a university testamur.

Oh dear here he comes MR excuse.... 
No gweggy I am quite aware and capable of doing my job thanks.
I never said the sex appeared on the certificate, nice try...  but
FAIL.


So what did you mean by this?

"Sometimes they were not even the same sex."


gee , I don't know what do YOU think I meant...

That the name on the certificate didn't match the name on the application and one was male and one was female perhaps? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


I've given you a perfectly reasonable explanation of why the names might not match.

Moreover, names don't have a sex.

They're just words.

However, for the sake of your argument, what "sex" are these names, for example?

- Kim

- Alex

- Chris

- Drew

- Glenn

- Jamie

- Jesse

- Kelly

- Pat


Was the question too hard?

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English not your first language?

Tell me Gweggy...  do you consider Rosaria and Jose to be the same name of the same person of the same sex?

Now pull your little head in and run on back to your Bridge eh.

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English not your first language?

Tell me Gweggy...  do you consider Rosaria and Jose to be the same name of the same person of the same sex?

Now pull your little head in and run on back to your Bridge eh.



Tell us all again how the testamurs had the graduates' sex written on it.

That was my favourite part   Smiley
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Now you are just lying...  I never said that did I?

Why do you need to lie?

Oh yeah you are a dishonest TROLL who cant face the truth,  go away liar.

So you think Rosaria and Jose are the same person do you, they even had different surnames.   Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 9:30am:
Grendel wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 9:27am:
English not your first language?

Tell me Gweggy...  do you consider Rosaria and Jose to be the same name of the same person of the same sex?

Now pull your little head in and run on back to your Bridge eh.



Tell us all again how the testamurs had the graduates' sex written on it.

That was my favourite part   Smiley



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It never ceases to amaze me how only white people are ever taken to task for hate speech.

And yet those of a certain CULT openly parade around holding posters demanding murder, rape and all manner of other things.
Is this not hate speech?
I'd demanding the murder or rape of Jews not hate speech?
Is demanding the murder of people who question the brutal, primitive practices of the CULT not hate speech?
Is the demanding of murder for Americans not hate speech?

Or is it ok for the CULT to do this with impunity.

And calling for the burning and murder of Australians by tinted primitives not hate speech?

I get it
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Valkie wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 4:25pm:
It never ceases to amaze me how only white people are ever taken to task for hate speech.

And yet those of a certain CULT openly parade around holding posters demanding murder, rape and all manner of other things.
Is this not hate speech?
I'd demanding the murder or rape of Jews not hate speech?
Is demanding the murder of people who question the brutal, primitive practices of the CULT not hate speech?
Is the demanding of murder for Americans not hate speech?

Or is it ok for the CULT to do this with impunity.

And calling for the burning and murder of Australians by tinted primitives not hate speech?

I get it
If your black, muzzo or otherwise retarded, it's acceptable.

But whites, watch your back, tell the truth it's hate speech.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 9:54am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 9:30am:
Grendel wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 9:27am:
English not your first language?

Tell me Gweggy...  do you consider Rosaria and Jose to be the same name of the same person of the same sex?

Now pull your little head in and run on back to your Bridge eh.



Tell us all again how the testamurs had the graduates' sex written on it.

That was my favourite part   Smiley



Grin

Repeatedly posting a lie gweggy won't ever make it the truth...  now run along there's a good TROLL.
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Grendel wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 5:10pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 9:54am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 9:30am:
Grendel wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 9:27am:
English not your first language?

Tell me Gweggy...  do you consider Rosaria and Jose to be the same name of the same person of the same sex?

Now pull your little head in and run on back to your Bridge eh.



Tell us all again how the testamurs had the graduates' sex written on it.

That was my favourite part   Smiley



Grin

Repeatedly posting a lie gweggy won't ever make it the truth...  now run along there's a good TROLL.


It can't help it.

It's two functioning synapses are caught in a loop

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Valkie wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 4:25pm:
It never ceases to amaze me how only white people are ever taken to task for hate speech.

And yet those of a certain CULT openly parade around holding posters demanding murder, rape and all manner of other things.
Is this not hate speech?
I'd demanding the murder or rape of Jews not hate speech?
Is demanding the murder of people who question the brutal, primitive practices of the CULT not hate speech?
Is the demanding of murder for Americans not hate speech?

Or is it ok for the CULT to do this with impunity.

And calling for the burning and murder of Australians by tinted primitives not hate speech?

I get it
If your black, muzzo or otherwise retarded, it's acceptable.

But whites, watch your back, tell the truth it's hate speech.


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Reply #161 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 6:49pm
 
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 6:25pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 4:25pm:
It never ceases to amaze me how only white people are ever taken to task for hate speech.

And yet those of a certain CULT openly parade around holding posters demanding murder, rape and all manner of other things.
Is this not hate speech?
I'd demanding the murder or rape of Jews not hate speech?
Is demanding the murder of people who question the brutal, primitive practices of the CULT not hate speech?
Is the demanding of murder for Americans not hate speech?

Or is it ok for the CULT to do this with impunity.

And calling for the burning and murder of Australians by tinted primitives not hate speech?

I get it
If your black, muzzo or otherwise retarded, it's acceptable.

But whites, watch your back, tell the truth it's hate speech.


So, do you equate the beliefs of irrational and sociopath people with those of rational people??



Oh - I doubt he said that -he simply said that all these current buzz-words - discrimination, violence, hate speech, oppression and so forth - are always one-sided and only permitted by the PC brigade to adhere to anyone who objects to their stances....

I don't see that as irrational in any way....

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Reply #162 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 7:00pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 6:49pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 6:25pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 4:25pm:
It never ceases to amaze me how only white people are ever taken to task for hate speech.

And yet those of a certain CULT openly parade around holding posters demanding murder, rape and all manner of other things.
Is this not hate speech?
I'd demanding the murder or rape of Jews not hate speech?
Is demanding the murder of people who question the brutal, primitive practices of the CULT not hate speech?
Is the demanding of murder for Americans not hate speech?

Or is it ok for the CULT to do this with impunity.

And calling for the burning and murder of Australians by tinted primitives not hate speech?

I get it
If your black, muzzo or otherwise retarded, it's acceptable.

But whites, watch your back, tell the truth it's hate speech.


So, do you equate the beliefs of irrational and sociopath people with those of rational people??



Oh - I doubt he said that -he simply said that all these current buzz-words - discrimination, violence, hate speech, oppression and so forth - are always one-sided and only permitted by the PC brigade to adhere to anyone who objects to their stances....

I don't see that as irrational in any way....

Behead all who offend the Christ or the Law of Moses!!  Stone to death all who abandon Christianity and Judaism!!  Kill the Apostates!!


So, people who come from tribal cultures, and societies where law and order has broken down are to be equated intellectually with people who come from developed countries where law and order is strong??
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So, people who come from tribal cultures, and societies where law and order has broken down are to be equated intellectually with people who come from developed countries where law and order is strong??


Huh?
Are you being racist?
Are you saying that people from undeveloped countries are intellectually inferior?
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Grendel wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 7:06pm:
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So, people who come from tribal cultures, and societies where law and order has broken down are to be equated intellectually with people who come from developed countries where law and order is strong??


Huh?
Are you being racist?
Are you saying that people from undeveloped countries are intellectually inferior?


Haha, very clever tactic, Grendel, one I've used myself on some occasion.

Not at all, people are to a large extent a product of their environment. People who come from undevelop countries are shaped by the environment in which they grow up.
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Reply #166 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 7:20pm
 
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 7:06pm:
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So, people who come from tribal cultures, and societies where law and order has broken down are to be equated intellectually with people who come from developed countries where law and order is strong??


Huh?
Are you being racist?
Are you saying that people from undeveloped countries are intellectually inferior?


Haha, very clever tactic, Grendel, one I've used myself on some occasion.

Not at all, people are to a large extent a product of their environment. People who come from undevelop countries are shaped by the environment in which they grow up.

Not a tactic just normal debate.
I'm seeking clarification.

You said something that appears to me to be very wrong.  Mind you...  you also appear to be very confused about the R word yourself having made now several dubious posts.

You still haven't answered my question. Roll Eyes
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Reply #167 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 7:29pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 7:06pm:
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So, people who come from tribal cultures, and societies where law and order has broken down are to be equated intellectually with people who come from developed countries where law and order is strong??


Huh?
Are you being racist?
Are you saying that people from undeveloped countries are intellectually inferior?


Haha, very clever tactic, Grendel, one I've used myself on some occasion.

Not at all, people are to a large extent a product of their environment. People who come from undevelop countries are shaped by the environment in which they grow up.

Not a tactic just normal debate.
I'm seeking clarification.

You said something that appears to me to be very wrong.  Mind you...  you also appear to be very confused about the R word yourself having made now several dubious posts.

You still haven't answered my question. Roll Eyes


I did answer your question.

I don't think your racist; but I wonder sometimes based on your comments about ethnic people.
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Reply #168 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 8:27pm
 
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 7:29pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 7:06pm:
Quote:
So, people who come from tribal cultures, and societies where law and order has broken down are to be equated intellectually with people who come from developed countries where law and order is strong??


Huh?
Are you being racist?
Are you saying that people from undeveloped countries are intellectually inferior?


Haha, very clever tactic, Grendel, one I've used myself on some occasion.

Not at all, people are to a large extent a product of their environment. People who come from undevelop countries are shaped by the environment in which they grow up.

Not a tactic just normal debate.
I'm seeking clarification.

You said something that appears to me to be very wrong.  Mind you...  you also appear to be very confused about the R word yourself having made now several dubious posts.

You still haven't answered my question. Roll Eyes


I did answer your question.

I don't think your racist; but I wonder sometimes based on your comments about ethnic people.

I've never said anything racist in fact I've been anti-racist all my life.
And NO...  you did not answer my questions.

Here they are again.... 
Are you being racist?
Are you saying that people from undeveloped countries are intellectually inferior?


Now don't waffle around them this time.
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Reply #169 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 9:37pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 8:27pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 7:29pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 7:06pm:
Quote:
So, people who come from tribal cultures, and societies where law and order has broken down are to be equated intellectually with people who come from developed countries where law and order is strong??


Huh?
Are you being racist?
Are you saying that people from undeveloped countries are intellectually inferior?


Haha, very clever tactic, Grendel, one I've used myself on some occasion.

Not at all, people are to a large extent a product of their environment. People who come from undevelop countries are shaped by the environment in which they grow up.

Not a tactic just normal debate.
I'm seeking clarification.

You said something that appears to me to be very wrong.  Mind you...  you also appear to be very confused about the R word yourself having made now several dubious posts.

You still haven't answered my question. Roll Eyes


I did answer your question.

I don't think your racist; but I wonder sometimes based on your comments about ethnic people.

I've never said anything racist in fact I've been anti-racist all my life.
And NO...  you did not answer my questions.

Here they are again.... 
Are you being racist?
Are you saying that people from undeveloped countries are intellectually inferior?


Now don't waffle around them this time.


No to both questions.

Anti-racist? So when you say that you're worried that some parts of Sydney look like Asia or the Middle East, that isn't even remotely racist?
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Nope
And YOU are misquoting me....  tsk, tsk, tsk.

BTW, why should Australia look like; Asia, Africa, or the ME?
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Grendel wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 8:22pm:
Nope
And YOU are misquoting me....  tsk, tsk, tsk.

BTW, why should Australia look like; Asia, Africa, or the ME?


Why should it matter if it does?
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Because then there would be no Australia.

You think any of those regions or countries in them want to be Australia and their people Australians?

What countries have state religions and ban others?
What counties enforces "dress" rule on men and women?
What countries has severe restrictions on permanent residency and migration?
etc, etc,etc...

the question is then, why doesn't it matter to you?
Cultural Cringe?
Not Australian?
Hate Australia and Australians?
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Because then there would be no Australia.

You think any of those regions or countries in them want to be Australia and their people Australians?

What countries have state religions and ban others?
What counties enforces "dress" rule on men and women?
What countries has severe restrictions on permanent residency and migration?
etc, etc,etc...


But, we're different from them, G, we're more advanced than them in terms of accepting a multi-cultural society. It doesn't matter what other countries do; I care about WE do.
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Grendel wrote Yesterday at 3:18pm:
Because then there would be no Australia.

You think any of those regions or countries in them want to be Australia and their people Australians?

What countries have state religions and ban others?
What counties enforces "dress" rule on men and women?
What countries has severe restrictions on permanent residency and migration?
etc, etc,etc...


But, we're different from them, G, we're more advanced than them in terms of accepting a multi-cultural society. It doesn't matter what other countries do; I care about WE do.

Yes we are different from them.
Putnam's world's largest study on diversity policy showed it created social disharmony and social isolationism.  How does diluting the social harmony aid society?
How does creating a country of cultural enclaves improve social unity?
What makes you think Multiculti is a good thing to accept?
Why should a country allow it's borders to be filled with different nationalities with different values and objectives?
I care about what WE do to.
93% of 35,000 Australians in a phone poll by A Current Affair said Multiculturalism should be abandoned.
Bob Hawke refused to allow a referendum on it because he knew it would be defeated.
Government after Government tweak it to try and make it more acceptable to the general public.
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1.  Hardly surprising given its audience.

2.  Got a link to those stats?
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Putnam's world's largest study on diversity policy showed it created social disharmony and social isolationism.  How does diluting the social harmony aid society?


Absolute rubbish from a fraud who's just jumping on the Rightist bandwagon.

Grendel wrote Yesterday at 4:49pm:
What makes you think Multiculti is a good thing to accept?


Because multi-culturalism is about the exchange of ideas and culture. It can also create a more harmonious society because it encourages people to think outside of their bubbles.

Grendel wrote Yesterday at 4:49pm:
Why should a country allow it's borders to be filled with different nationalities with different values and objectives?


How do you know that these people have different objectives?? Most people just want to live, work and pursue happiness like everyone else in life.

Grendel wrote Yesterday at 4:49pm:
93% of 35,000 Australians in a phone poll by A Current Affair said Multiculturalism should be abandoned.


A Current Affair. Are you serious? Do you actually believe anything that the show says? Wow, now I'm impressed. Everything on that show is just sensationalised and made up.

Grendel wrote Yesterday at 4:49pm:
Bob Hawke refused to allow a referendum on it because he knew it would be defeated.


Bob Hawke didn't allow a referendum on it because he knew that the debate would polarise society and be a field day for hate groups of either end of the spectrum. Just look at the Brexit vote.

And funny that the people continued to vote Hawke into power. If they really hated it, then why elect him?

Grendel wrote Yesterday at 4:49pm:
Government after Government tweak it to try and make it more acceptable to the general public.


Doesn't that indicate that maybe the government is listening to the concerns of people, and is responsive? Just because they don't implement the policies YOU want...
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93% of 35,000 Australians in a phone poll by A Current Affair said Multiculturalism should be abandoned.


1.  Hardly surprising given its audience.

2.  Got a link to those stats?


I wouldn't believe anything the ACA said even if my life depended on it.

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93% of 35,000 Australians in a phone poll by A Current Affair said Multiculturalism should be abandoned.


1.  Hardly surprising given its audience.

2.  Got a link to those stats?

What do you mean don't you remember?
Oh and appalling that you dismiss the messenger that being 35,000 Australian,
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Grendel wrote Yesterday at 5:04pm:
Aussie wrote Yesterday at 4:51pm:
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93% of 35,000 Australians in a phone poll by A Current Affair said Multiculturalism should be abandoned.


1.  Hardly surprising given its audience.

2.  Got a link to those stats?

What do you mean don't you remember?
Oh and appalling that you dismiss the messenger that being 35,000 Australian,


I said nothing about remembering.

Are you unable to give me a link to your claim?  Just say so, if that is the case.
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John Mothra Smith wrote Yesterday at 3:20pm:
Grendel wrote Yesterday at 3:18pm:
Because then there would be no Australia.

You think any of those regions or countries in them want to be Australia and their people Australians?

What countries have state religions and ban others?
What counties enforces "dress" rule on men and women?
What countries has severe restrictions on permanent residency and migration?
etc, etc,etc...


But, we're different from them, G, we're more advanced than them in terms of accepting a multi-cultural society. It doesn't matter what other countries do; I care about WE do.


You just clutter up the country with pigs heads and mashtun nappy   Grin
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You could ring channel 9 and ask, someone will know.
There is a reference o the Net but you'd have to look for it.
I remember it well, I was alive at the time.

As for your lie about Dr Robert Putnam's study...  well, well, well, tsk, tsk, tsk...  Putnam was a Prog and his study came as a shock to him result wise so he attempted to change the results time and again till he gave up and published the actual results if somewhat belatedly.
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Multiculturalism is a settlement policy it followed both Assimilation and Integration.  Integration being the latest attempt by the Government to once more win over the public.
But we don't have Integration, we have Multiculti, which in itself allows people to transplant their culture and way of life to the Australian continent and form enclaves within Australian society.
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Bob Hawke didn't allow a referendum on it because he knew that the debate would polarise society and be a field day for hate groups of either end of the spectrum. Just look at the Brexit vote.

And funny that the people continued to vote Hawke into power. If they really hated it, then why elect him?

Bob admitted that people would reject Multiculturalism.  No one asked for it.  Don't you know the bloody history of it in Australia?
People brave enough to speak up against it were ridiculed and called racists.  Even though race has nothing to do with it. LW Progressive silenced all dissent this way for years.

Since Fraser brought it in and both major parties supported it who would people vote for?  Hmmmm... There are a great many more things than just Multiculti to vote for at election time.

We never were allowed to vote on Multiculti. Roll Eyes
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Multiculturalism has proven divisive, not coalescent, so let’s ditch it

    The Australian
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Like bad 1970s fashion, multiculturalism needs to be binned.

Sometimes the obvious questions don’t get asked. Maybe it’s the stubborn power of orthodoxy that puts a spanner in the spokes of our otherwise critical and curious senses. Whatever the reason, it’s time to ask this: why do we still have a minister, let alone an assistant minister for multicultural ­affairs?

Hasn’t this cultural fad overstayed it usefulness? Just as questions are asked about whether taxpayers should keep funding multicultural broadcaster SBS, given its raison d’etre has waned, isn’t it time we asked why we still need government ministers ministering the multicultural word to the people?

There is a sense of urgency around this question after last week’s inauspicious start by Craig Laundy, the new Assistant Minister for Multicultural Affairs.

Laundy sounded like the very model of the modern multiculturalist — modern in the sense of 1970s modern.

Last week the Liberal MP from western Sydney adopted the condescending voice of those 70s multiculturalists, speaking down to us, telling us that he knows better than us. And just like 70s multiculturalism, he caused division rather than cohesion.

Laundy’s sentiments might please the large voting bloc of Muslims in his electorate but the rest of us were riled by his haughtiness when he said that when people “dive into this debate” (about Islam) and “say controversial things, I would argue the vast ­majority are speaking from a position that is not well-informed”.

That’s multi-culti speak for saying shut up, you’re too stupid to understand Islam or question Islam’s ability to find an accommodation with fundamental Western values such as the separation of church and state, free speech, gender equality and so on.

Alas, people aren’t stupid. We see that countries ruled by the ­Islamic faith have cultures diametrically opposed to Enlightenment values. We can see enclaves of Muslim migrants in Western countries have kept practices at odds with those values. We are entitled to ask questions about the level of gender inequality among Muslims. We are entitled to ask why some young Muslim men chose Islamic State over Australia; why genital mutilation and child marriages happen in countries such as Britain and Australia.

If Laundy finds our questions “controversial” then, sadly, he has caught that debilitating multicultural virus. Like a virus that takes hold of host cells in the human body, multiculturalism’s self-loathing virus started invading Western societies more than 40 years ago. Like a form of
cultural cancer,
it has weakened our ability to defend our most fundamental values and, worse, it has meant the only culture open to critique and question is our own.


To be fair, Laundy is not alone among Liberal MPs who inadvertently expose why multiculturalism must be discarded.

Last week on the ABC’s Q&A when Liberal MP Steve Ciobo was asked whether he believed in free speech, he said: “I’m attracted to the principle.” Really? That’s it? I might be ­attracted to a dress in a shop but I’m not committed to it. Surely a Liberal MP, a minister, can do better at defending a core Western freedom. You’re not going to convince anyone about the virtues of free speech by saying you kind of like it, with the same commitment as you might say you like cornflakes in the morning

The multicultural virus has impaired even self-professed cultural warriors. As prime minister, Tony Abbott decided that defending free speech by reforming section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act was too hard once a few ­migrant groups kicked up a fuss.

Sure, the Senate was unhelpful, but rather than make a humiliating retreat, a warrior of Western culture should fight on to defend the marketplace of ideas, rather than kowtow to the marketplace of outrage that has been fuelled by multiculturalism.

And why wouldn’t Laundy champion all the usual multi-culti guff given the tone set by the more senior Minister for Multicultural Affairs. Concetta Fierravanti-Wells, another so-called Liberal Party cultural warrior, didn’t raise an eyebrow, let alone utter a word, when Abbott dropped his promise on free speech. We expect this cultural cowardice from Labor and the broader Left, but when voters can’t look to the Liberal Party to defend our basic values the cultural landscape is indeed bleak.

Remember that multiculturalism was never a policy with broad support. Research by sociologist Katharine Betts reveals multiculturalism wasn’t even a story of ethnic agitators: it was largely trumpeted by a group of Anglo-Australian activists so small that “most of them could and did meet in one room”. Twenty years after Malcolm Fraser included multiculturalism in the Coalition platform, a poll by the Council of Multicultural Affairs found the rank-and-file supporter of multiculturalism was not the ­migrant but the well-educated Anglo-Australian living far way from migrant enclaves.

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Reply #185 - Yesterday at 9:03pm
 
pt 2.

In the 70s, multiculturalism was sold to the people as the tolerant, moral alternative to earlier evil policies of assimilation and integration. But assimilation and integration were not intolerant ideas. On the contrary, these policies invited migrants to Australia with the promise they, too, could become Australians and enjoy the values that made Australia the country of first choice for millions.

When migrants arrived in postwar Australia, there was a sense of obligation to the new country. The transformation of thousands of poor, displaced migrants into comfortable middle-class Australians in a matter of a few generations is one of the great success stories of integration. The traditional three-way contract was simple: majority tolerance, minority loyalty and government vigilance in both ­directions.

Becoming a citizen meant ­accepting responsibilities in return for clearly understood rights and privileges. A migrant renounced “all other allegiances” to swear loyalty to Australia.

More than 40 years later, asking for minority loyalty is regarded as a sign of intolerance.
Against a backdrop of entrenched multiculturalism and a human rights frenzy pushing the right to be “separate but equal”, it’s now a case of the host nation owing the migrant.


The great multicultural con is that its proponents deliberately refused to define the term. They opted for feel-good ambiguity. So it meandered along meaning different things to different people. To some, it meant no more than promoting a culturally diverse ­society loyal to core institutions and core values. Meanwhile, a more virulent form took root, emphasising ethnic rights to be separate but equal, promoting cultural and moral relativism and identity politics where immigrants were no longer Australians, or even “new” Australians.

Multiculturalism endorsed what Theodore Roosevelt called a hyphenated loyalty to country. SBS uses the phrase Muslim-Australians, not the other way around. That hyphenated loyalty has under­mined an obligation on ­migrants to embrace a common set of values.

Worse, multiculturalism demanded that we tolerate the intolerant.
To be sure, tolerance is a worthy goal. But it’s meaningful only when tempered with moral judgments about what is right and what is wrong. That is a debate we must all be able to be part of.
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Reply #186 - Today at 6:22am
 
When it comes down to it.
Australia is a nation of immigrants.

The difference today is the class and type of immigrants we age allowing into our country.

After the second world war, many immigrants were brought to our country to help build and make Australia great.
These immigrants were grateful for the chance, worked hard, contributed and succeeded as individuals.
Over time they assimilated so well, that Australia could not survive without them.
It was a symbiotic relationship, they were grateful for the chance as we were grateful for their contribution.

These were part of the white Australia policy, looking after the Australian people by bringing people of similar backgrounds and with similar moral and personal values.

Now we bring in trash, faeces, rubbish from third world countries.
Trash that hates and refuses our way of life.
Antithetical in the extreme to all that we hold dear, if favor of a primitive, brutal and barbaric CULT based mentality.
They prefer not to work, are a drain on the WELFARE system in every country they infect.
They have a higher percentage of violent crime and criminal involvement than ANY other race in every country they live.
Is this the sort of person we want in our country?

These primitives, and no other term is valid, dedicate themselves to a twisted following of a sociopath, self confessed paedophile, nutcase dictator who lied, cheated and was a traitor to any who gave him aid.
Of course they would never understand the Australian ideals of mateship, honesty, fair go.
It is alien to them based on their understanding of the toilet trash Koran.

We need to better vet our immigrants.
We need to bring people willing to contribute and who hold similar ideals to us.
Otherwise this will come to a head in the most unfortunate way.
Civil war.
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Reply #187 - Today at 11:22am
 
Meanwhile back on tha actual topic...
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The truth about how many people are being packed into Sydney

Nigel Gladstone
22 July 2018 — 3:54pm

Sydney is more densely populated than Chicago, Seattle and Los Angeles but recent comparisons have painted the opposite picture by measuring Sydney the wrong way.

Australia is one of the most sparsely populated places on the planet if it is simply divided evenly by land area to give about three people each a square kilometre. But the reality is that residents of Potts Point, Ultimo and Chippendale shared the land around them with more than 15,000 people per square kilometre in 2016.

Dr Michael Grosvenor, an urban planning expert at the University of Southern Queensland, said he is sick of bad data being used to compare cities.

"If I see another global city comparison showing LA and Phoenix as being more population dense than European or Australian cities I’ll scream," Dr Grosvenor said. "This type of statistical reporting has been going on for years [but] the Sydney region boundaries include national parks and large tracts of open space, whereas North American cities do not.

"Sydney has one of the largest metro area catchments in the world, which means sprawl and associated commute time is a big issue, but where development is allowed, it is much denser overall than many other cities," he said.

One of the best methods to measure density is to divide urban areas up into one square metre blocks and then only include blocks that people live in.

This method has been used by the European Commission to produce a map called the Global Human Settlement Layer. Using this measure, Sydney had an average density of 2800 people per square kilometre in 2015 with a peak density of 14,500 people.

Sydney has developed into a multi-centred city with large commercial areas and high population density outside of the CBD in places such as Parramatta, which is relatively unique in the world, Dr Grosvenor said.

"Historically, North American cities are generally mono-centric (one CBD or downtown surrounded by sprawling residential, industrial and commercial). There are other “centres” in suburban US cities, but they are usually specialist retail villages with little commercial land use," he said.

Demographer Mark McCrindle said Sydney and Melbourne would be in the top five cities list in America for population and are each set to hit 8 million residents by 2040.

"How we respond to a densified city, compared to what they were both established as - suburban sprawls - needs to change," Mr McCrindle said. "We've got to get medium density right because a lot of people want that terrace or townhouse option, they want the neighbourly mix."

Areas such as Camden, Box Hill or Marsden Park may fill the "missing middle" in Sydney, where twice as many people live in apartments than live in townhouses or terraces, he said.

"We need the mix of options and the right infrastructure when we plan our communities so that they are livable and walkable and people have that connectivity, rather than just dormitory suburbs where people live and then they all commute to the CBD."

Sydney's development has been hampered by expanding the urban development boundaries to allow more land for developers and people wanting quarter acre blocks, Dr Grosvenor said.

"Will we ever realistically achieve a '30-minute' city if we continue to spread the geographic scope of land release?" Dr Grosvenor said.

"Department of Planning officers might be asked to consider how a new land development opportunity on disused agricultural land in the south-west might cater to the projections for new housing required to cater to Sydney’s growth, without calculating how that might impact on future commute times from providing land further away from centres of employment."

NSW Planning Minister Anthony Roberts said the Greater Sydney region plan does include opening up new land for development, but of the 33,893 homes built in Sydney in the year to March 2018, just 14 per cent were in these areas.

“My experience in the planning portfolio in the last 18 months is that the pressure for larger blocks is driven by councils, not by home buyers," Mr Roberts said. "The focus of the NSW Government has been on affordable homes close to transport and we’ve invested significantly in this space, and have announced our Medium Density Housing Code to try and increase the diversity of housing stock across the Sydney Basin.

"For better or worse, some councils flat out refuse to allow smaller lot sizes within their boundaries. We can’t force them to.”


Higher density housing and medium density projects were tried years ago in Sydney's Western Suburbs, the result was a mess. With enclaves of the poor living in each others pockets and crime rates increasing.  This is not the way to go.
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Reply #188 - Today at 12:20pm
 
LA is infamous for it's uncontrolled sprawl. Not sure if that it the example we should be trying to follow.
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Reply #189 - Today at 1:08pm
 
freediver wrote Today at 12:20pm:
LA is infamous for it's uncontrolled sprawl. Not sure if that it the example we should be trying to follow.


And yet its inner city area is the densest in the United States, so I was told once.
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