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Reply #30 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:15am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 5:31am:
Imrah wrote on Jun 30th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
I read last week somewhere that 66% of our population growth last financial year was from immigration.  I think that Darwin would prefer a population diversify by more like around 10% for the most successful adaptation to our changing environment.  Growth is for capitalists.  Darwin said nature does not move in jet airplanes.


Considering the birth rate is below the replacement rate, 66% of our population growth being from immigration is something we need not fret. If women averaged 2.1 children per woman, our population growth rate would only account immigration as being 10%.


It's not the immigration part that's the problem. It's the growth part.
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Reply #31 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 9:18am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 5:41am:
Walking around parts of Rockhampton, I am lulled into the thought that 99% of Australians are white and that our birth rates are well above replacement levels. Visiting places like Brisbane, as I did 10 years ago, I have the impression that Australia is 75% white and that people don't give relationships too much thought. I have not been to Sydney. But I hear that it is 66% white, and people are so self-absorbed that I cannot really consider that place to be a reflection of Australia.

Btw, Jasin, if you are reading this... migrants are the section of the Australian community that are having fewer children. I would have this impression that white Australia is still growing, whilst the non-white migrant and Australian born non-white community are just getting absorbed into white Australia or not breeding enough.

Actually in parts of Sydney and Melbourne you'd think you were in Asia or the ME.
BTW Muslim families have more children than non-muslim families.

We are simply importing people that will exacerbate the problem.  If we allow 1 million foreigners in here every 4 years  what outcome do you think we will have?  hmmmm.
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Re: Poll Says Too Much Immigration
Reply #32 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:37am
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 9:18am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 5:41am:
Walking around parts of Rockhampton, I am lulled into the thought that 99% of Australians are white and that our birth rates are well above replacement levels. Visiting places like Brisbane, as I did 10 years ago, I have the impression that Australia is 75% white and that people don't give relationships too much thought. I have not been to Sydney. But I hear that it is 66% white, and people are so self-absorbed that I cannot really consider that place to be a reflection of Australia.

Btw, Jasin, if you are reading this... migrants are the section of the Australian community that are having fewer children. I would have this impression that white Australia is still growing, whilst the non-white migrant and Australian born non-white community are just getting absorbed into white Australia or not breeding enough.

Actually in parts of Sydney and Melbourne you'd think you were in Asia or the ME.
BTW Muslim families have more children than non-muslim families.

We are simply importing people that will exacerbate the problem.  If we allow 1 million foreigners in here every 4 years  what outcome do you think we will have?  hmmmm.


Yes, actually, I know that Sydney and Melbourne have a large non-white population. Hence the reason why I said that Sydney must be 66% white. Perhaps an optimistic percentage.

And one of the issues is job numbers. Most jobs are hoarded in places like the capital cities. We need to start decentralising industries to give large towns in regional areas more of a chance at expanding and having the jobs in the first place.
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Re: Poll Says Too Much Immigration
Reply #33 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:49am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:15am:
It's not the immigration part that's the problem. It's the growth part.


There were 321,686 more people in Australia in 2018 than there was in 2017. If we consider that 66% of that number is migrants, then that makes up 212,312 people. That does factor in the number of migrants that leave Australia (much of whom are those that had arrived in recent years).

I would suggest that the 320,000 more people in Australia consist of the 212,000 immigrants + 311,000 births each year - 210,000 deaths each year. Migrant gains mainly replacing the people who die each year.
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Reply #34 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 11:02am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:37am:
Grendel wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 9:18am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 5:41am:
Walking around parts of Rockhampton, I am lulled into the thought that 99% of Australians are white and that our birth rates are well above replacement levels. Visiting places like Brisbane, as I did 10 years ago, I have the impression that Australia is 75% white and that people don't give relationships too much thought. I have not been to Sydney. But I hear that it is 66% white, and people are so self-absorbed that I cannot really consider that place to be a reflection of Australia.

Btw, Jasin, if you are reading this... migrants are the section of the Australian community that are having fewer children. I would have this impression that white Australia is still growing, whilst the non-white migrant and Australian born non-white community are just getting absorbed into white Australia or not breeding enough.

Actually in parts of Sydney and Melbourne you'd think you were in Asia or the ME.
BTW Muslim families have more children than non-muslim families.

We are simply importing people that will exacerbate the problem.  If we allow 1 million foreigners in here every 4 years  what outcome do you think we will have?  hmmmm.


Yes, actually, I know that Sydney and Melbourne have a large non-white population. Hence the reason why I said that Sydney must be 66% white. Perhaps an optimistic percentage.

And one of the issues is job numbers. Most jobs are hoarded in places like the capital cities. We need to start decentralising industries to give large towns in regional areas more of a chance at expanding and having the jobs in the first place.

Don't disagree with that but I don't talk in colours though.  We need culturally compatible people coming in through immigration, we shouldn't become the Noah's Ark of the world's population, too much diversity as has been proven leads to social disharmony and isolationism.

We are fringe dwellers and government after government has exacerbated that situation.  There are no visionaries in government re the future development of the Nation.  We currently have the most myopic, most self centred, most ignorant bunch of pollies I can recall in parliament.  They have no real answers.  They concentrate on point scoring and negativity,  in their quest for power and nothing more.  They get caught up in minutiae and ignore the elephants in the room.

Only 3 parties have looked to the population problem in modern times; the Greens (who abandoned it), The Australian Democrats and One Nation.  Both major parties seek a "large" Australia population-wise, not a sustainable one.

One Nation is the only party to address the problems of Multiculturalism while the rest cry racist, in their quest to lessen political competition and harm those they see as that competition.

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Reply #35 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 11:26am
 
It is more than ridiculous to turn the major city centres into Third World cesspools purely for the sake of continuing a false economy of never-ending construction with no solid industrial production underpinning anything.

The Lucky Country, surrounded by ramparts of ocean, needs to look to itself first and not be a vassal to some mythical global socialist empire or some global capitalist empire..... we need to state our sovereignty as a nation and stand by it.

What we do NOT need is excessive populations in heavily built-up areas, which will inevitably be supported economically by an 'anything goes in pursuit of a dollar' mentality and lifestyle, which will inevitably lead us to a society divided into various levels of criminal enterprise as the major means of procuring riches (if we haven't made it there already)....

As a nation we are going backwards to the times of established criminal underworlds and immense poverty that saw people living in the Snowies in bark huts (The Bark Hut in which a family lived is on public park display in Eden, NSW), and enjoying the hill-billy diet of possum stew etc, with all the perils associated with that style of eating.

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Reply #36 - Jul 3rd, 2018 at 12:38pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:49am:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:15am:
It's not the immigration part that's the problem. It's the growth part.


There were 321,686 more people in Australia in 2018 than there was in 2017. If we consider that 66% of that number is migrants, then that makes up 212,312 people. That does factor in the number of migrants that leave Australia (much of whom are those that had arrived in recent years).

I would suggest that the 320,000 more people in Australia consist of the 212,000 immigrants + 311,000 births each year - 210,000 deaths each year. Migrant gains mainly replacing the people who die each year.


Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you suggesting that instead of rational limits on immigration to curb population growth, we start drowning babies in buckets?
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Reply #37 - Jul 3rd, 2018 at 2:04pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 12:38pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:49am:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:15am:
It's not the immigration part that's the problem. It's the growth part.


There were 321,686 more people in Australia in 2018 than there was in 2017. If we consider that 66% of that number is migrants, then that makes up 212,312 people. That does factor in the number of migrants that leave Australia (much of whom are those that had arrived in recent years).

I would suggest that the 320,000 more people in Australia consist of the 212,000 immigrants + 311,000 births each year - 210,000 deaths each year. Migrant gains mainly replacing the people who die each year.


Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you suggesting that instead of rational limits on immigration to curb population growth, we start drowning babies in buckets?


Australia is already limiting their population with low birth rates. Low birth rates as a result of high immigration because it puts a strain on house prices, job, etc. And we have high immigration rates because Australians are not having enough babies to cover the next generation in the job market.
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Reply #38 - Jul 3rd, 2018 at 6:32pm
 
Costello paid people to have babies and the rate went up, but we are not Muslims where families have multiple Mothers and a great many babies...
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Reply #39 - Jul 3rd, 2018 at 6:35pm
 
One things for sure, you'll see different attitudes from migrant groups if we become the minority. I hope our leaders have thought about that.
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2 Australian examples...

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Reply #41 - Jul 3rd, 2018 at 6:44pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 2:04pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 12:38pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:49am:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:15am:
It's not the immigration part that's the problem. It's the growth part.


There were 321,686 more people in Australia in 2018 than there was in 2017. If we consider that 66% of that number is migrants, then that makes up 212,312 people. That does factor in the number of migrants that leave Australia (much of whom are those that had arrived in recent years).

I would suggest that the 320,000 more people in Australia consist of the 212,000 immigrants + 311,000 births each year - 210,000 deaths each year. Migrant gains mainly replacing the people who die each year.


Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you suggesting that instead of rational limits on immigration to curb population growth, we start drowning babies in buckets?


Australia is already limiting their population with low birth rates. Low birth rates as a result of high immigration because it puts a strain on house prices, job, etc. And we have high immigration rates because Australians are not having enough babies to cover the next generation in the job market.


Are you trying to make a point, or just talk yourself round in circles?

Our population is increasing. We are not going to start drowning babies in buckets, and why should we if, as you point out, birth rates are below replacement levels. But we can easily control our immigration intake.
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Reply #42 - Jul 3rd, 2018 at 6:48pm
 
New Poll says:

Immigrants say
"Australians are insecure 'Gays'."


The sweeping statement comes in light of the 'white' Australians feeling an uneasy realisation that their penis-to-bum sex is just not working out the way they thought and that non-whites seem to have the sex thing down-pat and are breeding well. So well, that the White 'Gay' Race here, that enjoys the Lifestyle Programs of endless Holidays - are now feeling the pinch.

Akmed:
"We do nothing wrong. We just have kids. But these White Australians feel threatened because their over-indulgent 'Gay' lifestyle of Public Holiday frivolity is just not cutting the mustard for them. Café Latte's, white fluffy dogs and Hipster/Yuppie careers are just biting them in the bum."
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Reply #43 - Jul 3rd, 2018 at 11:11pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 6:44pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 2:04pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 12:38pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:49am:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:15am:
It's not the immigration part that's the problem. It's the growth part.


There were 321,686 more people in Australia in 2018 than there was in 2017. If we consider that 66% of that number is migrants, then that makes up 212,312 people. That does factor in the number of migrants that leave Australia (much of whom are those that had arrived in recent years).

I would suggest that the 320,000 more people in Australia consist of the 212,000 immigrants + 311,000 births each year - 210,000 deaths each year. Migrant gains mainly replacing the people who die each year.


Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you suggesting that instead of rational limits on immigration to curb population growth, we start drowning babies in buckets?


Australia is already limiting their population with low birth rates. Low birth rates as a result of high immigration because it puts a strain on house prices, job, etc. And we have high immigration rates because Australians are not having enough babies to cover the next generation in the job market.


Are you trying to make a point, or just talk yourself round in circles?

Our population is increasing. We are not going to start drowning babies in buckets, and why should we if, as you point out, birth rates are below replacement levels. But we can easily control our immigration intake.


Part of the reason why we don't have a higher birth rate in Australia is because of the affordability to have more than 2 children. There are those women out there that have careers that don't afford the time to have any children. There are those women that act like having a child is a fashion accessory and will have one child. Then you have those families that will have 2, 3, 4, and sometimes 5 or more. However, you will not see families of 4 or more children with a rich socioeconomic background. They rely on generous family payments to get on with life.

I was not the person who brought up the facetious point about drowning babies in buckets. You already know that. I can't see the reason why you would try encourage debate about a stupid joke someone else brought to the topic.

The point is that we start limiting immigration numbers to reduce unemployment and raise the birth rates. Immigrants are not the ones who are having the babies. It is largely Australian born people who have their own children in larger numbers. Immigrants probably average 1 to 1.5 children per woman, seeing as many immigrants come to Australia when they are nearly 30 and are more career focussed to the point that they have to limit their own birth rates.
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Reply #44 - Jul 3rd, 2018 at 11:15pm
 
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 6:48pm:
New Poll says:

Immigrants say
"Australians are insecure 'Gays'."


The sweeping statement comes in light of the 'white' Australians feeling an uneasy realisation that their penis-to-bum sex is just not working out the way they thought and that non-whites seem to have the sex thing down-pat and are breeding well. So well, that the White 'Gay' Race here, that enjoys the Lifestyle Programs of endless Holidays - are now feeling the pinch.

Akmed:
"We do nothing wrong. We just have kids. But these White Australians feel threatened because their over-indulgent 'Gay' lifestyle of Public Holiday frivolity is just not cutting the mustard for them. Café Latte's, white fluffy dogs and Hipster/Yuppie careers are just biting them in the bum."


"Blonde women are sluts. The men are homosexuals. They don't pray enough or pay a tax to Islam for the right to live around us. Their women's wombs are drying up. It is our Islamic men who will conquer them and their lands through births".

Is that what you are saying, Jasin?
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