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Reply #180 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 5:37pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 3:20pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 3:18pm:
Because then there would be no Australia.

You think any of those regions or countries in them want to be Australia and their people Australians?

What countries have state religions and ban others?
What counties enforces "dress" rule on men and women?
What countries has severe restrictions on permanent residency and migration?
etc, etc,etc...


But, we're different from them, G, we're more advanced than them in terms of accepting a multi-cultural society. It doesn't matter what other countries do; I care about WE do.


You just clutter up the country with pigs heads and mashtun nappy   Grin
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Reply #181 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 8:37pm
 
You could ring channel 9 and ask, someone will know.
There is a reference o the Net but you'd have to look for it.
I remember it well, I was alive at the time.

As for your lie about Dr Robert Putnam's study...  well, well, well, tsk, tsk, tsk...  Putnam was a Prog and his study came as a shock to him result wise so he attempted to change the results time and again till he gave up and published the actual results if somewhat belatedly.
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Reply #182 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 8:40pm
 
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Because multi-culturalism is about the exchange of ideas and culture. It can also create a more harmonious society because it encourages people to think outside of their bubbles.


Multiculturalism is a settlement policy it followed both Assimilation and Integration.  Integration being the latest attempt by the Government to once more win over the public.
But we don't have Integration, we have Multiculti, which in itself allows people to transplant their culture and way of life to the Australian continent and form enclaves within Australian society.
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Reply #183 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 8:45pm
 
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Bob Hawke didn't allow a referendum on it because he knew that the debate would polarise society and be a field day for hate groups of either end of the spectrum. Just look at the Brexit vote.

And funny that the people continued to vote Hawke into power. If they really hated it, then why elect him?

Bob admitted that people would reject Multiculturalism.  No one asked for it.  Don't you know the bloody history of it in Australia?
People brave enough to speak up against it were ridiculed and called racists.  Even though race has nothing to do with it. LW Progressive silenced all dissent this way for years.

Since Fraser brought it in and both major parties supported it who would people vote for?  Hmmmm... There are a great many more things than just Multiculti to vote for at election time.

We never were allowed to vote on Multiculti. Roll Eyes
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Reply #184 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 9:03pm
 
Multiculturalism has proven divisive, not coalescent, so let’s ditch it

    The Australian
    February 24, 2016
   
Like bad 1970s fashion, multiculturalism needs to be binned.

Sometimes the obvious questions don’t get asked. Maybe it’s the stubborn power of orthodoxy that puts a spanner in the spokes of our otherwise critical and curious senses. Whatever the reason, it’s time to ask this: why do we still have a minister, let alone an assistant minister for multicultural ­affairs?

Hasn’t this cultural fad overstayed it usefulness? Just as questions are asked about whether taxpayers should keep funding multicultural broadcaster SBS, given its raison d’etre has waned, isn’t it time we asked why we still need government ministers ministering the multicultural word to the people?

There is a sense of urgency around this question after last week’s inauspicious start by Craig Laundy, the new Assistant Minister for Multicultural Affairs.

Laundy sounded like the very model of the modern multiculturalist — modern in the sense of 1970s modern.

Last week the Liberal MP from western Sydney adopted the condescending voice of those 70s multiculturalists, speaking down to us, telling us that he knows better than us. And just like 70s multiculturalism, he caused division rather than cohesion.

Laundy’s sentiments might please the large voting bloc of Muslims in his electorate but the rest of us were riled by his haughtiness when he said that when people “dive into this debate” (about Islam) and “say controversial things, I would argue the vast ­majority are speaking from a position that is not well-informed”.

That’s multi-culti speak for saying shut up, you’re too stupid to understand Islam or question Islam’s ability to find an accommodation with fundamental Western values such as the separation of church and state, free speech, gender equality and so on.

Alas, people aren’t stupid. We see that countries ruled by the ­Islamic faith have cultures diametrically opposed to Enlightenment values. We can see enclaves of Muslim migrants in Western countries have kept practices at odds with those values. We are entitled to ask questions about the level of gender inequality among Muslims. We are entitled to ask why some young Muslim men chose Islamic State over Australia; why genital mutilation and child marriages happen in countries such as Britain and Australia.

If Laundy finds our questions “controversial” then, sadly, he has caught that debilitating multicultural virus. Like a virus that takes hold of host cells in the human body, multiculturalism’s self-loathing virus started invading Western societies more than 40 years ago. Like a form of
cultural cancer,
it has weakened our ability to defend our most fundamental values and, worse, it has meant the only culture open to critique and question is our own.


To be fair, Laundy is not alone among Liberal MPs who inadvertently expose why multiculturalism must be discarded.

Last week on the ABC’s Q&A when Liberal MP Steve Ciobo was asked whether he believed in free speech, he said: “I’m attracted to the principle.” Really? That’s it? I might be ­attracted to a dress in a shop but I’m not committed to it. Surely a Liberal MP, a minister, can do better at defending a core Western freedom. You’re not going to convince anyone about the virtues of free speech by saying you kind of like it, with the same commitment as you might say you like cornflakes in the morning

The multicultural virus has impaired even self-professed cultural warriors. As prime minister, Tony Abbott decided that defending free speech by reforming section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act was too hard once a few ­migrant groups kicked up a fuss.

Sure, the Senate was unhelpful, but rather than make a humiliating retreat, a warrior of Western culture should fight on to defend the marketplace of ideas, rather than kowtow to the marketplace of outrage that has been fuelled by multiculturalism.

And why wouldn’t Laundy champion all the usual multi-culti guff given the tone set by the more senior Minister for Multicultural Affairs. Concetta Fierravanti-Wells, another so-called Liberal Party cultural warrior, didn’t raise an eyebrow, let alone utter a word, when Abbott dropped his promise on free speech. We expect this cultural cowardice from Labor and the broader Left, but when voters can’t look to the Liberal Party to defend our basic values the cultural landscape is indeed bleak.

Remember that multiculturalism was never a policy with broad support. Research by sociologist Katharine Betts reveals multiculturalism wasn’t even a story of ethnic agitators: it was largely trumpeted by a group of Anglo-Australian activists so small that “most of them could and did meet in one room”. Twenty years after Malcolm Fraser included multiculturalism in the Coalition platform, a poll by the Council of Multicultural Affairs found the rank-and-file supporter of multiculturalism was not the ­migrant but the well-educated Anglo-Australian living far way from migrant enclaves.

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Reply #185 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 9:03pm
 
pt 2.

In the 70s, multiculturalism was sold to the people as the tolerant, moral alternative to earlier evil policies of assimilation and integration. But assimilation and integration were not intolerant ideas. On the contrary, these policies invited migrants to Australia with the promise they, too, could become Australians and enjoy the values that made Australia the country of first choice for millions.

When migrants arrived in postwar Australia, there was a sense of obligation to the new country. The transformation of thousands of poor, displaced migrants into comfortable middle-class Australians in a matter of a few generations is one of the great success stories of integration. The traditional three-way contract was simple: majority tolerance, minority loyalty and government vigilance in both ­directions.

Becoming a citizen meant ­accepting responsibilities in return for clearly understood rights and privileges. A migrant renounced “all other allegiances” to swear loyalty to Australia.

More than 40 years later, asking for minority loyalty is regarded as a sign of intolerance.
Against a backdrop of entrenched multiculturalism and a human rights frenzy pushing the right to be “separate but equal”, it’s now a case of the host nation owing the migrant.


The great multicultural con is that its proponents deliberately refused to define the term. They opted for feel-good ambiguity. So it meandered along meaning different things to different people. To some, it meant no more than promoting a culturally diverse ­society loyal to core institutions and core values. Meanwhile, a more virulent form took root, emphasising ethnic rights to be separate but equal, promoting cultural and moral relativism and identity politics where immigrants were no longer Australians, or even “new” Australians.

Multiculturalism endorsed what Theodore Roosevelt called a hyphenated loyalty to country. SBS uses the phrase Muslim-Australians, not the other way around. That hyphenated loyalty has under­mined an obligation on ­migrants to embrace a common set of values.

Worse, multiculturalism demanded that we tolerate the intolerant.
To be sure, tolerance is a worthy goal. But it’s meaningful only when tempered with moral judgments about what is right and what is wrong. That is a debate we must all be able to be part of.
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Reply #186 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 6:22am
 
When it comes down to it.
Australia is a nation of immigrants.

The difference today is the class and type of immigrants we age allowing into our country.

After the second world war, many immigrants were brought to our country to help build and make Australia great.
These immigrants were grateful for the chance, worked hard, contributed and succeeded as individuals.
Over time they assimilated so well, that Australia could not survive without them.
It was a symbiotic relationship, they were grateful for the chance as we were grateful for their contribution.

These were part of the white Australia policy, looking after the Australian people by bringing people of similar backgrounds and with similar moral and personal values.

Now we bring in trash, faeces, rubbish from third world countries.
Trash that hates and refuses our way of life.
Antithetical in the extreme to all that we hold dear, if favor of a primitive, brutal and barbaric CULT based mentality.
They prefer not to work, are a drain on the WELFARE system in every country they infect.
They have a higher percentage of violent crime and criminal involvement than ANY other race in every country they live.
Is this the sort of person we want in our country?

These primitives, and no other term is valid, dedicate themselves to a twisted following of a sociopath, self confessed paedophile, nutcase dictator who lied, cheated and was a traitor to any who gave him aid.
Of course they would never understand the Australian ideals of mateship, honesty, fair go.
It is alien to them based on their understanding of the toilet trash Koran.

We need to better vet our immigrants.
We need to bring people willing to contribute and who hold similar ideals to us.
Otherwise this will come to a head in the most unfortunate way.
Civil war.
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Reply #187 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 11:22am
 
Meanwhile back on tha actual topic...
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The truth about how many people are being packed into Sydney

Nigel Gladstone
22 July 2018 — 3:54pm

Sydney is more densely populated than Chicago, Seattle and Los Angeles but recent comparisons have painted the opposite picture by measuring Sydney the wrong way.

Australia is one of the most sparsely populated places on the planet if it is simply divided evenly by land area to give about three people each a square kilometre. But the reality is that residents of Potts Point, Ultimo and Chippendale shared the land around them with more than 15,000 people per square kilometre in 2016.

Dr Michael Grosvenor, an urban planning expert at the University of Southern Queensland, said he is sick of bad data being used to compare cities.

"If I see another global city comparison showing LA and Phoenix as being more population dense than European or Australian cities I’ll scream," Dr Grosvenor said. "This type of statistical reporting has been going on for years [but] the Sydney region boundaries include national parks and large tracts of open space, whereas North American cities do not.

"Sydney has one of the largest metro area catchments in the world, which means sprawl and associated commute time is a big issue, but where development is allowed, it is much denser overall than many other cities," he said.

One of the best methods to measure density is to divide urban areas up into one square metre blocks and then only include blocks that people live in.

This method has been used by the European Commission to produce a map called the Global Human Settlement Layer. Using this measure, Sydney had an average density of 2800 people per square kilometre in 2015 with a peak density of 14,500 people.

Sydney has developed into a multi-centred city with large commercial areas and high population density outside of the CBD in places such as Parramatta, which is relatively unique in the world, Dr Grosvenor said.

"Historically, North American cities are generally mono-centric (one CBD or downtown surrounded by sprawling residential, industrial and commercial). There are other “centres” in suburban US cities, but they are usually specialist retail villages with little commercial land use," he said.

Demographer Mark McCrindle said Sydney and Melbourne would be in the top five cities list in America for population and are each set to hit 8 million residents by 2040.

"How we respond to a densified city, compared to what they were both established as - suburban sprawls - needs to change," Mr McCrindle said. "We've got to get medium density right because a lot of people want that terrace or townhouse option, they want the neighbourly mix."

Areas such as Camden, Box Hill or Marsden Park may fill the "missing middle" in Sydney, where twice as many people live in apartments than live in townhouses or terraces, he said.

"We need the mix of options and the right infrastructure when we plan our communities so that they are livable and walkable and people have that connectivity, rather than just dormitory suburbs where people live and then they all commute to the CBD."

Sydney's development has been hampered by expanding the urban development boundaries to allow more land for developers and people wanting quarter acre blocks, Dr Grosvenor said.

"Will we ever realistically achieve a '30-minute' city if we continue to spread the geographic scope of land release?" Dr Grosvenor said.

"Department of Planning officers might be asked to consider how a new land development opportunity on disused agricultural land in the south-west might cater to the projections for new housing required to cater to Sydney’s growth, without calculating how that might impact on future commute times from providing land further away from centres of employment."

NSW Planning Minister Anthony Roberts said the Greater Sydney region plan does include opening up new land for development, but of the 33,893 homes built in Sydney in the year to March 2018, just 14 per cent were in these areas.

“My experience in the planning portfolio in the last 18 months is that the pressure for larger blocks is driven by councils, not by home buyers," Mr Roberts said. "The focus of the NSW Government has been on affordable homes close to transport and we’ve invested significantly in this space, and have announced our Medium Density Housing Code to try and increase the diversity of housing stock across the Sydney Basin.

"For better or worse, some councils flat out refuse to allow smaller lot sizes within their boundaries. We can’t force them to.”


Higher density housing and medium density projects were tried years ago in Sydney's Western Suburbs, the result was a mess. With enclaves of the poor living in each others pockets and crime rates increasing.  This is not the way to go.
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Reply #188 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 12:20pm
 
LA is infamous for it's uncontrolled sprawl. Not sure if that it the example we should be trying to follow.
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Reply #189 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 1:08pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 12:20pm:
LA is infamous for it's uncontrolled sprawl. Not sure if that it the example we should be trying to follow.


And yet its inner city area is the densest in the United States, so I was told once.
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Reply #190 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 6:17pm
 
Alright, Grendel. I'll come to a compromise on policy with you.

I'll agree to have a plebiscite on multiculturalism provided that the threshold for changing the multicultural settlement policy is a 60% supermajority.
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Reply #191 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 6:21pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 6:22am:
trash, faeces, rubbish


Valkie wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 6:22am:
primitive, brutal and barbaric


Valkie wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 6:22am:
These primitives


Valkie wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 6:22am:
toilet trash Koran


Valkie wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 6:22am:
sociopath, self confessed paedophile, nutcase dictator who lied, cheated and was a traitor to any who gave him aid


Pay attention to these words and phrases very carefully. This is several steps toward dehumanization, Valkie.

You are dehumanizing these people. Dehumanization is the first step toward hate, marginalisation and then genocide.

You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Reply #192 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 6:56pm
 
They commit genocide on other ethnic, religious groups & other Islamic sects within their own countries.

They are not compatible with western values & their migration aim is to takeover the countries they move to by stealth & make them Islamic.

At the rate they are going in the UK & Europe that will happen in the next 15 to 20 years .... & we, with the help of those like you we will fast follow suit.

Thank f*#k I won't be around to see it ... albeit this lead up work that wankers like you are facilitating.

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Reply #193 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 7:18pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 6:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 6:22am:
trash, faeces, rubbish


Valkie wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 6:22am:
primitive, brutal and barbaric


Valkie wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 6:22am:
These primitives


Valkie wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 6:22am:
toilet trash Koran


Valkie wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 6:22am:
sociopath, self confessed paedophile, nutcase dictator who lied, cheated and was a traitor to any who gave him aid


Pay attention to these words and phrases very carefully. This is several steps toward dehumanization, Valkie.

You are dehumanizing these people. Dehumanization is the first step toward hate, marginalisation and then genocide.

You should be ashamed of yourself.


It may come as a suprise to you.

But these animals, these faeces, these primitive retards are not human.

They are muzzo.

Dangerous, uncontrollable,  barbaric, twisted and a problem in
EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY THEY INFECT

They are a deseased, no less insidious than Ebola or aids.

They have no place in civilized society.
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Reply #194 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 7:21pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 7:18pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 6:21pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 6:22am:
trash, faeces, rubbish


Valkie wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 6:22am:
primitive, brutal and barbaric


Valkie wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 6:22am:
These primitives


Valkie wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 6:22am:
toilet trash Koran


Valkie wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 6:22am:
sociopath, self confessed paedophile, nutcase dictator who lied, cheated and was a traitor to any who gave him aid


Pay attention to these words and phrases very carefully. This is several steps toward dehumanization, Valkie.

You are dehumanizing these people. Dehumanization is the first step toward hate, marginalisation and then genocide.

You should be ashamed of yourself.


It may come as a suprise to you.

But these animals, these faeces, these primitive retards are not human.

They are muzzo.

Dangerous, uncontrollable,  barbaric, twisted and a problem in
EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY THEY INFECT

They are a deseased, no less insidious than Ebola or aids.

They have no place in civilized society.


What I don't understand Valkie is how you're any different to Adolf Hitler??
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