Imrah wrote on Jun 30^th, 2018 at 2:11pm:



what dying???>... a bit hard to do I reckon...

maybe the poor soul took something drug related   its pretty tough 34.....

the police must have called to the house...

It's a 'critical incident' because police intervention resulted in a civilian death, one way or another.

While the police may have been correct in restraining the man and seeking to remove him for medical treatment, the full circumstances of what occurred need to be examined to see why he stopped breathing.

He may wall have stopped breathing if left alone in the home, so unless there is some direct action by police that caused the situation, there is no cause for criticism.... yet.

Incidents such as several security people sitting on top of a man at Sydney's Casino, when he stopped breathing after being crushed by them, are different.  I met one of those security guys who was arrested as a result - he's an ex SAS boy and would not do such a thing on purpose.

I've worked security with ex-Commandos and  ex-SAS and they are very constrained and professional about what they do, so that incident was way out of the ordinary.

mozzaok wrote on Jul 1^st, 2018 at 6:47am:

We don't even know the deceased erratic person's name.  There will be no autopsy.  No funeral.  No next of kin.  No worries. Case closed.  He was acting erratically so he got what he deserved. 

He was probably some unemployed dolebludging single person, and a renter who didn't even have his own self-managed fund, and that is just not acceptable for a responsible 34yo thesedays, not at all, Mozzie.  Obviously this individual was asking for trouble, just being here in our fine community of Ballajura.  Home of half the Perth police force.

If he gets an unmarked grave, then that's better than what he wouild have got from the dog pound.  There are many different ways we can put these erratic extremists out of their misery thesedays, Mozzoak.  Some more humane than others, IYKWIM?

cods wrote on Jul 1^st, 2018 at 8:37am:

Happy Sunday, Cods.  That's why there would be a name and an autopsy if someone who mattered in society turned erratic for no reason at all.  They would deserve some questions asked.  That's not for the peasants.  A waste of good policing time.

Jasin wrote on Jul 1^st, 2018 at 8:53am:

I hope there have been counsellors and a qualified therapist to help our finest forces cope with their traumatic experiences at the hands of this monster.

We havent been told what "erratic" means anyway.

Spot

Well, shouldn't the MEDICAL industry be taking RESPONSIBILITY for all this 'drug' abuse in our Society?

Why should it be left up to the Police who are 'law' enforcers, not 'drug' experts like a MEDICAL staffer would be.

I think the Australian MEDICAL system is a GUTLESS system that still plays 'weakling' for the GOVERNMENT payslip.

Bojack hides away in his little laboratory play 'medical expert', while the junkies run riot out there - infecting more and more people.
I'm more of an out-doors person myself 
Bojack lives in his little bubble-world.
I've lived amongst it and still do.

Medical Staff should be taking responsibility for this Drug-Epidemic infecting our nation, not Cops.

cods wrote on Jul 1^st, 2018 at 8:59am:


Yes I saw that Cods, it was depressing, but unsurprising.
When I was young, one of my girlfriends worked as a Psych Nurse, and she was a most beautiful, kind hearted, good person, and she said the kindest thing would be to blow the whole place off the planet. (Referring to the major care unit of Victorias largest mental home)
I never doubted her sense or sincerity, and she meant it, and I agree.

The guy who blackmailed them to taking him back to hospital, or he'd kill himself, would have got a quick, "make it a promise, and we'll leave now" from me.

Still, they are all a gift from God, and we all know that wacky prankster moves in mysterious ways.

cods wrote on Jul 1^st, 2018 at 10:34am:


With 'domestic violence' you need to start at the basics and separate what IS violence from what is not.  A household disagreement is not violence, regardless of the current reality that women's groups wish to retain the status of women as victim in all situations, and as essentially second class citizens who are somehow having their 'rights' breached by not getting everything they want.

Such situations may be susceptible to negotiation and outside assistance.

When it comes to real/genuine violence, the biggest hurdles are the same things as above - the perpetuation of women as victims and as second rate citizens etc creates an environment in which facts and realities have no impact whatsoever, and the principal interest of intervening bodies is NOT to resolve any situation based on facts, but to themselves exercise violence via the police and then the courts as their chosen means to approach these situations.

When an emotionally unstable or even mentally ill woman throws a tizz and calls the police - it is the duty of police to ascertain the full facts first, not immediately launch an assault upon the accused, and then create a facade of lies to support and protect their own wrongdoing.

This happens far too often and is one clear reason why cameras are required for any police intervention, AND precisely why police need to be fully trained, first as police officers and not as street thugs, and then in their simple duties of ascertaining the facts first instead of launching into immediate assault.

Once violence is imposed on an otherwise innocuous situation, the results are incalculable, and often result in someone dying eventually, but certainly the immediate result is the devastation of someone's life.

The same applies to 'court orders' - the courts, put simply have ZERO right to impose an order without proper recourse to Law (not law or legislation or regulation).which essentially means they must PROVE there are reasonable grounds to impose any 'orders', not some vague and unsupported assumption that someone claims to possess some 'feeling'.

That such 'feelings' can then be translated into a direct and violent attack upon the character, livelihood, and public image of any individual caught up in this nonsensical insanity, is totally beyond the pale, and NO government in our democracy has any right to impose such violence against a chosen segment of the community.

When the simple right to disagree and to expect that any disagreement or issue will be resolved with reason and fair discussion of all facts, is replaced by the unmitigated 'right' (self-given) of the instruments of the state to impose upon one person of one social group involved - a state of war has been declared against that social group.

When the state itself and the current handling of 'domestic violence' are themselves the problem and are themselves violence writ large - it is no wonder that many take the law into their own hands in seeking retribution against someone directly responsible for such fearful harm to another.

You want to stop the war between women and men?  Stop the war against men..... or it will escalate and go further down the scale of social behaviour until nobody is left standing.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 1^st, 2018 at 11:19am:

Amen to the entire post, Cods.

Oh, sorry, I must have mixed up my reading.  It was a lovely piece of writing anyway.

Imrah wrote on Jul 1^st, 2018 at 11:32am:



so you think MEN are singled out...


sadly the stats kind of say .....    yep males are the worst.

the figures are not made up...what are we meant to do.........

come up with a LAW thats says

  well SHE did ask for it...so that makes killing her ok....

oh dear grap wont like this one either...

sorry grap but it is a FACT..

[url][http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-30/zlatko-sikorsky-charged-with-murder-of-larissa-beilby/9927786/url]

Police have charged Zlatko Sikorsky with the murder of 16-year-old Larissa Beilby, after the wanted man surrendered to police following a 27-hour stand-off on Queensland's Sunshine Coast.

Mr Sikorsky spent the night at the Maroochydore watch house after the siege at an Alexandra Headland apartment complex came to a peaceful end just before 6:30pm on Saturday.

Homicide detectives charged the 34-year-old with murder on Sunday morning, after confirming that a female body found in a barrel on Wednesday was Larissa.

She was last seen alive on June 15, but had made a post on social media three days later.

Detective Inspector Damien Hansen said Mr Sikorsky had been in a relationship with the 16-year-old, but would not comment on a possible motive for her death.

"I will say it's a very unique set of facts," Inspector Hansen said.

"He's not cooperating at this stage.

"He's in the watch house, he's been charged and he'll be spoken to again.



I did hear she was only 16 .. but may have led him to believe she was older....

would this be provocation ?  couldnt be!

How does one blatant quite insane murder address the full facts surrounding ' domestic violence'?

Cods - you really need to get your mind right.....

In the news tonight that guy was charged with murder - and the statement was made that the girl 'had a relationship with him'.

One look at him and you'd have to ask why...... what is it about silly young women that drives them to silly 'relationships' with older men who are so blatantly 'attitude' ridden that they need ridiculous tattoos?

Yes - he's really a lovely guy - nobody knew him the way she did - and all that criminal record and drug dealing and stuff.. pshaw - just normal these days, innit?

I'm only here to deal with peace - the facts are that 62% of inter-relationship disputes are started by women, who suffer proportionately the same or near percentage of serious injuries as a result.

When you start to throw in direct violence via courts and police over any trivial complaint, you are merely throwing a bucket of petrol on the fire - with predictable results.

Women also commence the largest percentage of divorce actions - thus destroying years of work and effort and demolishing the family structure - in the vast majority of cases simply because they 'feel like it', or 'don't feel validated in the marriage any more'.

When that level of destruction and violence, as exercised by the 'family court', often in conjunction of the violence of false accusations to gain 'the upper hand', is added to the mix - a response is inevitable.

It is the nature of humankind to protect home, hearth and kin.... allowing some selfish trout to destroy those things over a 'feeling' is a sure fire guarantee of a response.

When you wish to discuss 'domestic violence', cods and others - leave out the 'street offences' that occur outside of 'domestic violence'.

And when you throw around facile figures such as "two thirds of women experience violence at some time in their life" - try to realise that 100% of men experience violence at some time in their lives', and throwing often unjustified and poorly founded violence at them through courts and police and such, is an affront to any decent person.

Stop the war against men first... then you might begin to find an answer.

Look. I'll be straight up.
I've worked in Psyche units - both Public (Govt) and Private.

You also gotta remember that 'Western' Medicine is a very 'feminine' industry where 'real men' work as Cops or Soldiers ...not 'nurses'. Even though the original concept of the 'nurse' duty was held by 'males' from ancient times. Only the UK  and then USA 'feminised' it (with help from Nightingale).
I'm not saying anything about 'women' as I've seen many a 'female' nurse work far harder and better than I in many ways.
But the 'culture' of your Medical system is what it is.

Now with that said.
Private: The Patient has to pay a lot of money (or someone pays a lot for them)
Public: Patient gets it for free basically

The irony: Govt Hospitals get around 200,000 'lawsuits' a year for whatever ...even for such things as other patients farting and soiling their pants to the irritation of other patient's noses.  It seems in Australia - people take FREE CARE for granted and ABUSE it.
While the Private care seems to take advantage of the Patients at 'all costs'.  Even when they make over $300+million a year profit.

...I'm sure you all can see something wrong here, with the Australian 'system.
It doesn't help when people seek 'Medical' compensation with the outcome being only 'financial'.  Hence the many 'lawsuits' against the FREE care.

Anyway, 51% of Mental Health patients just need a good kick up the back-side. I'm not talking 'electro-shock therapy' or any other silly USA attempts 
If you don't understand what I'm saying - then look at Private Mental Health, where the success rate is higher because people know that when there is a 'cost' involved, they tend to be more motivated to improve and they do.

So, sometimes I wonder if the Govt (Political Sick Bay) Public Hospital system is just FEEDING THE TROLLS so to speak? 

...I remember a notorious Public Psyche Patient who was a lot of trouble came visiting our Private Hospital. There we were - big burly Orderlies and Nurses (all males) and we said "Come on in - we'll look after you!"  Suddenly he was very 'clarified' and aware 'mentally' and backed away saying politely (for once) "No thankyou. It's ok." 

In essence, the Govt Public system is a great 'Free' system, but it has its drawbacks and is 'submissive' in many ways that negates any 'successful' outcome.
It's not about 'money' or needing more of it. Because regardless - the results are not being achieved and that I can quote from the three most powerful in the Medical system at the time from an SBS Forum program.

In the Public a Scientologist or some 'Religion' Patient can force a Doctor not to talk during the operation via 'discrimination'.
But in Private a Doctor can throw their Religious book out the window and say "My way or the highway!"

Alas, for all the advantages of Private - the USA version is a mighty big RIP OFF (not so much the Insurances, more the Hospital Providers).

So you see - the Mental Patients have no 'cost' to compromise any motivation to improve themselves. It becomes nothing more than an exploitable commodity for nothing more than poor abusive behaviour for want of 'lawsuits'.

But you partake of a 'Politically' run nation - who's Medical Industry is basically a 'sick bay' compared to other more 'professional' medical nations. In other words, your Medical Industry and even system, is 'submissive' to your Political whims and will always be compromised.

Once these junkies and abusive Mental Health patients who exploit the 'Free' care suddenly find that there is a 'cost' (not necessarily 'financial') to their ways - they will very quickly...

...well, so you suffer from ADHD and use it as an excuse to exhibit poor and abusive behaviour. Well how do you feel about these 10 big Bikers standing around you? Let's face it, that kid will suddenly be very well 'behaved' 

'Feminised' Medical System? Submissive Medical system?
Then you just feed the 'victimhood'.

Note: Many Psyche patients are authentic and serious cases due to forms of abuse against them originally. But there are many who are - the abusers.
But hey, its like Centrelink: There are the Battlers, for who it was designed for and there are the Bludgers who exploit it.

It's about time, this country learns to 'discriminate' and exhibit the ability to know 'Good from Bad' ...from the Tree of Knowledge 

Time to bite the apple.
Or stop the whinging
One of the two? 

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 1^st, 2018 at 7:41pm:



come on grap... you delight when a women is charged with murder......you always say  see I told you so...

I dont know if you notice things like I do..

but every time the news come on.. on MY TELLY....first up is the crime scene...one murder after another....its every night.....body here body found there person missing.. how many missing persons in a week now?????...AGAIN ALMOST ALWAYS FEMALES.....ooops sorry about caps....dont get me wrong I am not saying ALL men are murderers   but seriously grap   it seems to be the answer to everything today...

anger followed by  killing!!!! have we really lost that much control???... we cant cope anymore...there are two species on this planet.......male and female... [no dont go anywhere near the other thing].......we are meant to be together !!!!  ok ok I have heard of insects eating their mate after the deed... but are we coming down to that level????>....where its impossible for us to live together in harmony......sheeeze what does it take?...

As it becomes rarer perhaps it gets more newsworthy

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2018 at 10:23am:



my personal thoughts on that  is we have less gangster murders than was the norm back in the bad old days.......its a different world today.. and to me there is more domestic murder....than ever before   some where a person  allegedly jumps off a high balcony  are never classified as murder....

in some news there is 4 or 5 deaths  announced  even Canberra now has murder stats    when I first came here   they had only had one murder.....

what do they class missing persons as???....one can only believe they are dead .. but is it legal to say they have been  murdered?....I am not sure....

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2018 at 10:21am:


What an amazing leap - I delight in anyone being charged with murder?  I've never once mentioned a woman charged with murder, as far as I can recollect**, and I am always among the first to hope that evil killers accidentally fall down the stairs or resist arrest a few times... even though I disagree with the death penalty.

This guy - I said during the 'siege' that I'd get the sniper to shoot his arm off at the shoulder or something and then arrest him.. that'd fix the siege ... let him deal with that for the rest of his life in prison.  Yeah - I'm right there for accused men...... but only the innocent ones.

Some people deserve to be charged with murder and punished as far as the law will allow..... that is my stance... and women are no different, but I certainly have never made any difference between men and women charged with murder.

On this occasion peccary is absolutely correct in striking through that arrant nonsense.

** I lie - I discussed the woman who killed her seven kids .... that kind of thing  .... the kind of thing The Sisterhood defends to the death as just a simple aberration on the part of some poor dear who is a victim of male-dominated society etc.  She'll cop a Pussy Pass of one kind or another, whereas a man who did the same thing would never see the light of day.

ADDS:-  Women's violence is on the increase, with a massively higher proportionate rise in women/girls being charged with violent offences compared to men/boys.

All one has to do the incur The Wrath Of Cods is to say the truth as above, and to suggest reasoned ways of defusing the currently escalating violence between women and men.

This nonsense about women always the victim and men always the perpetrator is part of the problem, and not part of the solution, and and I've said countless times, the silly commencement of The War Against Violence by addressing 'male v female violence' as a first step has brought about no resolution, but rather an escalation, for the simple reason that the chosen solution is itself violence.  Stoopid is as stoopid does....

When are we going to address the major incidence of violence within the community?  Against MEN?  when are we going to get past the first step?

I'll tell you - not until we get away from escalating violence against men as a solution to what was once an extremely minor incident offence - men actually hitting women without reason and not just in self-defence when being attacked with a knife or similar.

Increasing violence as a solution to violence will never produce an answer, and the war will not be over by Christmas any year soon at this rate, but will only go on until nobody is left standing, while ever stupid governments continue to impose violent solutions to allegedly violent issues.

Allegedly for the simple reason that most 'dv incidents' do NOT involve violence, other than in the feminist definition that the man refused to give in to what the woman demanded, so that meant he was oppressing her (but not she him).

If men were truly violent souls, the rate of woman killing would be massively higher.... given the way any man can be abused with violence at the whim of any woman these days and the man is always held to be responsible regardless of facts.

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160601-the-women-that-kill-abuse-and-torture

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2018 at 11:06am:


I think you have a very good point there..... all those missing people...... some turn up .... and I'm sure Ivan and his cohorts know a lot more than he's given out... just for a start....

mozzaok wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2018 at 7:04am:



And what are you gonna do when an ice-junkie has a 'mental' episode in your direction? 

Oh, I'm sure your not going to wish you only had cotton-wool balls and a Panadol to deal with him - just to appease the Governments 'legalities'. 

It's not about 'violence' in treating such Mental Health (not all mental health is appalling, rude, violent, obnoxious, etc behaviour). It's about 'Assertiveness', not being afraid and 'restraint' (physical restraint).

Psychology? The Americans are the 'Dreamers', and Australians like me are 'the Dream'. 

HaHa. LMFAO!!!

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2018 at 7:36pm:

How are you supposed to be erratic in isloation?  That's no way to cut out the deadwood, Herr Grappler.  You've got to keep them in the public vicinity so you can justify the mercy killings.

Jasin wrote on Jul 1^st, 2018 at 9:47pm:
The only thing I have zero doubt about is that you have been in a mental hospital. Pretending you were somehow "paid help" instead of an involuntary inmate isnt working for you though.