mozzaok wrote on Jun 29
th, 2018 at 11:44am:
tickleandrose wrote on Jun 29
th, 2018 at 10:06am:
As I have mentioned before. It is not so much the religion per se, however, it is the mentality and the ideology behind it. If you look at the the terrorist groups, like JI, ISIS, and AQ. Yes, they all have a particular violent and hardline version of religion, however, their central function is not so much spreading religion, but rather their primary aim is for geopolitical gains. The religion is there, just so they are pervertly justify their violence, to extend their control over groups of people in a certain area.
Yes, it can be the religion.
It is a BAD religion.
Scientology was started by a semi-failed sci-fi writer/schuckster, who was tempted to see how stupid and gullible people could be, and lived by the adage, nobody went broke underestimating the intelligence of the public.
So, Scientology is a bad religion because it's founding figure was a crook and a shyster.
Islam was started by a murdering, slave making, child raping psychopath.
How does any sane person reconcile that fact?
One way.
Very, very, very, BAD religion.
Christianity was started by anonymous people lost to history, but by basing their teachings on the Judaic Tradition they made it automatically, a BAD religion.
However, THEY had one saving grace, they made their storybook figurehead, a hippie.
"What's so funny 'bout peace love and understanding", not only a great song, but a bloody great philosophy to base a religion on. Sadly their great failing is the inability to be ever able to reconcile the old with the new. The new has a bit of pretty dodgy stuff also, but not so prominently. Nearly all the horrible shite done by christians was done by using texts fallen into obscurity. The scary thing is they are just as repulsive as koranic obscenity and just need a loon to whip up a cult to start doing shite as hideous as any jihadist nutter.
That is a massive problem where so many of the anti-islam people are xians and the muslims can just call hypocrite, and the argument is lost.
Hopefully one day these nutters will ditch their make believe skyfiend(friend?) and start to live life for lifes sake.
But NEVER pretend that these bad people behave this way despite their religion, they do not.
As Hitch used to often quote, "bad people do bad things, for good people to do bad things, you need religion", or something along those lines.
So, NO, it is not political, it is religious. The 2,000 people a week travelling to syria to fight for isis are not chanting, long live Keynesian Monetary Polocy, or Praise Neo Marxist Post Modernism, they are however ALL chanting, Allah Akhbar, repeatedly, to the very last one of them.
My same arguments would apply to scientology as well. It is a tool used by a few, to further their own agenda. And in scientology case, its about money, and control.
The 2000 people a week travelling to Syria, their main purpose is to join ISIS in order to carry out the organization's purpose. Which is to create a Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. So the main purpose, is the control of land people and money. The foreign fighters gets paid, and rationed, just like a normal soldiers. To justify their violence, they would use the excuse of religion.
Mossake, the acts of murdering, slave making, and child raping are not new to this world. It predates Islam, Christianity and Judaism. And they also happen in areas without Ibramhim - monolithism religions. These acts happens repeatly in history during times of regional instablility, and lawlessness. Where the principles of law and order breaks down, and when you have a situation of surivial of the fittest, morality is often the casuality.
I can confidently said, that if Islam never have existed, then humanity, with the right condition, can equally carrying out the same atrocity and use a different god, a different scripture. To combat terrorism, radicalism, its not about making arrests, or bombing an area, or locking up refugees. Its about resolving the underlying fundamentals that decayed the morality in the first place.
On our side, we have probably the most powerful war machine in the history of mankind. If radicalisation can be resolved by violence, and military might, then we would have won hundreds of times over already. The fact that it is still remain, means that perhaps we have to win back the minds of the people rather than gunning them down.
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