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Reply #240 - Jun 29th, 2018 at 11:31am
 
So Peccerhead shouldn't you and Aussie be posting proof of you claims re Roy Morgan, I mean you expect everyone else to...  yet it seems ok for you to just make baseless erroneous claims and ridicule others like the TROLLS you are.

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Oh look who came last...  and they've been doing it for a long time the biggest error belongs to?  Roy Morgan. Cheesy
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Reply #241 - Jun 29th, 2018 at 11:31am
 
So Peccerhead shouldn't you and Aussie be posting proof of you claims re Roy Morgan, I mean you expect everyone else to...  yet it seems ok for you to just make baseless erroneous claims and ridicule others like the TROLLS you are.

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Oh look who came last...  and they've been doing it for a long time the biggest error belongs to?  Roy Morgan. Cheesy
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Reply #242 - Jun 29th, 2018 at 11:33am
 
That's ace Grendel.  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #243 - Jun 29th, 2018 at 11:35am
 
Comments from a study on Australian pollsters...

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Essential does not seem to have been so accurate through the campaign, and also seems to have leant to one side (Labor) over consecutive polls more than the other pollsters bar Morgan


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Galaxy also running the Newspoll brand, which was the second-best performer on tracking and ran through the campaign.  As both are run by the same company I declare Galaxy/Newspoll joint winners of the best tracking category. It's not clearcut though: under some possible assumptions (such as late swing), ReachTEL could beat one or both.


As for me Peccerhead I have always told you I don't believe in polls...  there is only 1 poll that counts.  The election...  just how many times have I posted that eh...  but you wouldn't know you either lie, forget or never read stuff... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #244 - Jun 29th, 2018 at 11:37am
 
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Morgan's seat polls were very messy: they consisted of compiled electorate sampling over a long period, and lacked any 2PP figures.  A high proportion of them focused on non-classic seats (or seats that looked like they might be non-classic seats), which made assessing their accuracy even harder.


Sloppy, messy, unreliable just as they have been in NZ.

As for more on their individual seat polling...

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Overall, Morgan seems to have surprisingly published the least skewed seat polls, but their polls were also the most erratic.  Indeed when I converted their polls to 2PP I found that nine of them were correct within a point, but there were also massive howlers like an 18 point error in Wentworth.  Morgan had the highest proportion of correct seat polls, but this is meaningless because the seats they tackled were, on average, much easier than those tackled by the other pollsters.  They're also not allowed to crow about it, because they didn't publish seat 2PPs.


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Galaxy is best on error, second-best on skew and second-best on relative correctness, but the average age of its included data was 10 days compared to 17 for Newspoll, 20 for ReachTEL and goodness knows what for Morgan.


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Reply #245 - Jun 29th, 2018 at 11:45am
 
I remember years ago Morgan getting it incredibly wrong and people parties and the media panning them... 

Unfotunately I don't have all day to go looking for the articles, or even know if they still exist or are archived and accessible.

However this comment from a study on Pollsters exists...

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The Galaxy/Newspoll stable has come out on top of all three categories here in some form or other.  The final Newspoll was incredibly good and the differences between the leading pollsters on everything else were not so great.  Seat polling has still not redeemed itself after the 2013 disaster, but national polling is in excellent shape.  As Galaxy and Newspoll are both administered by Galaxy, these brands are the joint winners for this year.

Of the remainder ReachTEL has performed rather well and is clearly in the top three with the Galaxy and Newspoll brands.  Essential produced a good final poll but strong reservations remain about its tracking behaviour.  Ipsos' debut was not bad, but it has work to do on its persistently inflated Greens vote.  The minor pollsters didn't greatly embarrass themselves,
while Morgan was a hot mess with the odd redeeming feature.  I have to give Morgan the wooden spoon just for pulling out of national polling with a month to go, leaving me with no yardstick to measure its performance for its future (if there is one.)
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Reply #246 - Jun 29th, 2018 at 11:53am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jun 29th, 2018 at 9:03am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2018 at 8:42am:
Aussie wrote on Jun 28th, 2018 at 6:50pm:
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then you've been asleep at the wheel peccerhead
they may have been once upon a time when competition was scarce, but not anymore.


Post the proof, the evidence, a reference.

Your opinion is irrelevant.

"Wassup, Grendel, got nuthin' as usual?"


We should ignore respected pollsters like Roy Morgan and instead, believe that everybody is unhappy with the ABC because Grendel is unhappy with the ABC.

It makes perfect sense.



i dont doubt that a lot of people are happy with the ABC.
a lot of people are happy with maccas and pizza
a lot of people are happy with porn.

the ABC presents a narrative that panders to victim groups and makes them feel like their mediocre lives are someone elses fault.

people (lazy people) like that , in the same way they like greasy food and porn and complaining.

but we need to give people WHATS GOOD FOR THEM.
thats a much better deal then giving them WHAT THEY WANT


Indeed.


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Reply #247 - Jun 29th, 2018 at 1:18pm
 
What is the source for that Grendel?  Afraid to tell us?
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Reply #248 - Jun 29th, 2018 at 1:45pm
 
Nope....  you never believe anything I say or admit when you are wrong, so I don't care what you think or don't know.

TROLL someone who cares...

You never accept the truth anyway.

Do you remember when RM got panned?  No?  That explains why you are ignorant of the facts. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #249 - Jun 29th, 2018 at 2:13pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jun 29th, 2018 at 1:45pm:
Nope....  you never believe anything I say or admit when you are wrong, so I don't care what you think or don't know.

TROLL someone who cares...

You never accept the truth anyway.

Do you remember when RM got panned?  No?  That explains why you are ignorant of the facts. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


What is the source for that Grendel?  Afraid to tell us?
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Reply #250 - Jun 29th, 2018 at 2:16pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jun 29th, 2018 at 1:45pm:
Nope....  you never believe anything I say or admit when you are wrong, so I don't care what you think or don't know.

TROLL someone who cares...


You never accept the truth anyway.

Do you remember when RM got panned?  No?  That explains why you are ignorant of the facts. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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Reply #251 - Jun 29th, 2018 at 2:57pm
 
I shall take the obvious conclusion which is you are too embarrassed/ashamed to name it.
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Reply #252 - Jun 29th, 2018 at 3:18pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jun 29th, 2018 at 2:16pm:
Grendel wrote on Jun 29th, 2018 at 1:45pm:
Nope....  you never believe anything I say or admit when you are wrong, so I don't care what you think or don't know.

TROLL someone who cares...


You never accept the truth anyway.

Do you remember when RM got panned?  No?  That explains why you are ignorant of the facts. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


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Reply #253 - Jun 29th, 2018 at 6:24pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 29th, 2018 at 2:57pm:
I shall take the obvious conclusion which is you are too embarrassed/ashamed to name it.


Either that, or he made it up himself.

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Reply #254 - Jun 29th, 2018 at 6:35pm
 
Not my fault you 2 TROLLS are wrong...

Grendel wrote on Jun 29th, 2018 at 11:45am:
I remember years ago Morgan getting it incredibly wrong and people parties and the media panning them... 

Unfotunately I don't have all day to go looking for the articles, or even know if they still exist or are archived and accessible.

However this comment from a study on Pollsters exists...

Quote:
The Galaxy/Newspoll stable has come out on top of all three categories here in some form or other.  The final Newspoll was incredibly good and the differences between the leading pollsters on everything else were not so great.  Seat polling has still not redeemed itself after the 2013 disaster, but national polling is in excellent shape.  As Galaxy and Newspoll are both administered by Galaxy, these brands are the joint winners for this year.

Of the remainder ReachTEL has performed rather well and is clearly in the top three with the Galaxy and Newspoll brands.  Essential produced a good final poll but strong reservations remain about its tracking behaviour.  Ipsos' debut was not bad, but it has work to do on its persistently inflated Greens vote.  The minor pollsters didn't greatly embarrass themselves,
while Morgan was a hot mess with the odd redeeming feature.  I have to give Morgan the wooden spoon just for pulling out of national polling with a month to go, leaving me with no yardstick to measure its performance for its future (if there is one.)

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