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greggerypeccary Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131414 Gender:	More Lies? Jun 19^th, 2018 at 10:16am Donald Trump "cited immigration for causing political instability in Germany and said that crime in Germany was 'way up'." "Contrary to Mr Trump's assertion, the crime rate in Germany is at its lowest point in more than 30 years".
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greggerypeccary

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Reply #1 - Jun 19^th, 2018 at 10:25am

"The number of crimes committed in Germany is the lowest since 1992 at around 5.76 million cases.

"The decline in crime is even more pronounced when viewed in relation to the population: the incidence was below 7,000 cases per 100,000 inhabitants even never reached in a 30-year comparison!"

Why did Mr Trump say that crime in Germany is "way up"?

I'm curious.

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greggerypeccary Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131414 Gender:	Re: More Lies? Reply #2 - Jun 19^th, 2018 at 1:11pm Why did Trump lie?
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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: More Lies? Reply #3 - Jun 19^th, 2018 at 1:56pm Lets see the German crime statistics which the article did not provide.
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greggerypeccary Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131414 Gender:	Re: More Lies? Reply #4 - Jun 19^th, 2018 at 1:59pm rhino wrote on Jun 19^th, 2018 at 1:56pm: Lets see the German crime statistics which the article did not provide. The onus is on Trump. However, I've already provided a link to the stats. Here it is again: https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/pressemitteilungen/DE/2018/05/pks-und-pmk-201...
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: More Lies? Reply #5 - Jun 19^th, 2018 at 2:12pm Pity I can't read f u cking German. Thanks Pecca.
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Unforgiven Gold Member Offline I have sinned Posts: 8879 Gender:	Re: More Lies? Reply #6 - Jun 19^th, 2018 at 2:21pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 19^th, 2018 at 2:12pm: Pity I can't read f u cking German. Thanks Pecca. Mr. Hammer is no better at English with or without the f u cking.
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: More Lies? Reply #7 - Jun 19^th, 2018 at 2:32pm Unforgiven wrote on Jun 19^th, 2018 at 2:21pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 19^th, 2018 at 2:12pm: Pity I can't read f u cking German. Thanks Pecca. Mr. Hammer is no better at English with or without the f u cking. Shouldn't you be trawling for white guys to have a dilliance with petal?
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: More Lies? Reply #8 - Jun 19^th, 2018 at 2:49pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 19^th, 2018 at 2:12pm: Pity I can't read f u cking German. Thanks Pecca. Good thing the Germans are efficient and have put a English button up the top of the page.
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Re: More Lies?
Reply #9 - Jun 19^th, 2018 at 3:01pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 19^th, 2018 at 2:49pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 19^th, 2018 at 2:12pm:

Pity I can't read f u cking German. Thanks Pecca.

Good thing the Germans are efficient and have put a English button up the top of the page.

The stats pecca published don't go into any detail. They are rubbish. All that aside 1 million immigrants rocking up all at once has de-stabilised German politics, it's society and has put massive financial burden on the German people. It was a poorly thought out move on the behalf of Merkel.

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Reply #10 - Jun 19^th, 2018 at 3:07pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 19^th, 2018 at 3:01pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 19^th, 2018 at 2:49pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 19^th, 2018 at 2:12pm:

Pity I can't read f u cking German. Thanks Pecca.

Good thing the Germans are efficient and have put a English button up the top of the page.

The stats pecca published don't go into any detail. They are rubbish. All that aside 1 million immigrants rocking up all at once has de-stabilised German politics, it's society and has put massive financial burden on the German people. It was a poorly thought out move on the behalf of Merkel.

No detail?

Look again.

"The Police Crime Statistics (PKS) covers all offenses that have become known to the police through their own investigations or criminal charges and have been registered."

(106 pages, as of April 2018, version 1.0)

Now, can you post Trump's statistics?

Thanks.

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Reply #11 - Jun 19^th, 2018 at 3:19pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19^th, 2018 at 3:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 19^th, 2018 at 3:01pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 19^th, 2018 at 2:49pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 19^th, 2018 at 2:12pm:

Pity I can't read f u cking German. Thanks Pecca.

Good thing the Germans are efficient and have put a English button up the top of the page.

The stats pecca published don't go into any detail. They are rubbish. All that aside 1 million immigrants rocking up all at once has de-stabilised German politics, it's society and has put massive financial burden on the German people. It was a poorly thought out move on the behalf of Merkel.

No detail?

Look again.

"The Police Crime Statistics (PKS) covers all offenses that have become known to the police through their own investigations or criminal charges and have been registered."

(106 pages, as of April 2018, version 1.0)

Now, can you post Trump's statistics?

Thanks.

From article-

The following statistics are based on criminal offences registered by the police in Germany as a whole, not counting violations of law concerning foreigners.

aren't asylum seekers regarded as foreigners????

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Re: More Lies?
Reply #12 - Jun 19^th, 2018 at 3:25pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 19^th, 2018 at 3:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19^th, 2018 at 3:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 19^th, 2018 at 3:01pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 19^th, 2018 at 2:49pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 19^th, 2018 at 2:12pm:

Pity I can't read f u cking German. Thanks Pecca.

Good thing the Germans are efficient and have put a English button up the top of the page.

The stats pecca published don't go into any detail. They are rubbish. All that aside 1 million immigrants rocking up all at once has de-stabilised German politics, it's society and has put massive financial burden on the German people. It was a poorly thought out move on the behalf of Merkel.

No detail?

Look again.

"The Police Crime Statistics (PKS) covers all offenses that have become known to the police through their own investigations or criminal charges and have been registered."

(106 pages, as of April 2018, version 1.0)

Now, can you post Trump's statistics?

Thanks.

From article-

The following statistics are based on criminal offences registered by the police in Germany as a whole, not counting violations of law concerning foreigners.

aren't asylum seekers regarded as foreigners????

"This drop in crime is even more apparent in relation to the total population: fewer than 7,000 offences per 100,000 residents. That is the lowest rate in more than 30 years!"

...

"As in the previous year, about 30% of all suspects were not German nationals; the absolute number fell from 616,230 in 2016 to 599,357 in 2017."

Now, where are the stats Trump used?

You still haven't provided them.

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: More Lies? Reply #13 - Jun 19^th, 2018 at 3:28pm "As in the previous year, about 30% of all suspects were not German nationals; the absolute number fell from 616,230 in 2016 to 599,357 in 2017." That stat doesn't make you argument look too good pecca.
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Re: More Lies?
Reply #14 - Jun 19^th, 2018 at 3:35pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 19^th, 2018 at 3:28pm:

"As in the previous year, about 30% of all suspects were not German nationals; the absolute number fell from 616,230 in 2016 to 599,357 in 2017."

Grin

That stat doesn't make you argument look too good pecca. Grin

How so?

My argument is that Trump lied.

i.e. crime is not "way up".

The official stats I'm providing support my position, 100%.

Now, where are the stats Trump used?

You still haven't provided them.

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