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$9 million a year to maintain Vic gun registry
Jun 16th, 2018 at 6:32pm
 
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Victoria firearm registry: Cost of maintaining registry revealed


IT COSTS almost $9 million a year to maintain Victoria’s firearm registry.

The most recent figures available showed that in 2011-12 Victoria Police were allocated $8.97 million to administer registry services “which includes the Register of Firearms as well as licensing, permits and approvals for private security and weapon related applications”.

“This cost covers the running and maintenance of registry IT systems, processing firearms, private security and weapons applications and permits, staff to manage registry services, and also some compliance and enforcement activity, for example conducting probity checks, auditing firearm dealers and completing inspections on licence holders,” a Victoria Police spokeswoman said.
Victorian MP Daniel Young recently called for the registry to be abolished, suggesting it did not prevent crime and was a waste of money, but the State Government has no plans to change the registry.


https://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/national/victoria-firearm-registry-cost-o...




Gun registration does not prevent or solve gun crime, has any mass shooting gone unsolved?


We must have spent over a billion dollars on gun registries since 1996 and they have never solved or prevented any gun crimes.


Canada abolished their long gun registry over 5 years ago after spending $2 billion on it saying it's a waste of time and money and has never solved or prevented any gun crimes, a thread on it here where Canadian MP says the money would be better spent by putting more police on the streets.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1440994847


New Zealand abolished gun registration in 1982 just like Canada they said it was a waste of time and money.
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Re: $9 million a year to maintain Vic gun registry
Reply #1 - Jun 16th, 2018 at 6:39pm
 
It's all about creating jobs in the public service using tax payers money.
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Reply #2 - Jun 16th, 2018 at 6:44pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 16th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
It's all about creating jobs in the public service using tax payers money.



We have nearly 100 full time Police in the NSW firearms registry, they have not solved a single crime.

At 1 min 15 seconds NSW Police minister Troy Grant says greater than 97% of all gun crime is done with unregistered firearms


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Reply #3 - Jun 26th, 2018 at 9:04pm
 
Frankly, I have no issue with the government knowing who does and doesn't own a firearm.

The reason why those oppose it is because they have an irrational fear that 'them govment gonna take 'way mys guns.'

And by the way, the purpose of a gun registry isn't the prevent crime, you dope.
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Reply #4 - Jun 26th, 2018 at 10:26pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jun 26th, 2018 at 9:04pm:
Frankly, I have no issue with the government knowing who does and doesn't own a firearm.

The reason why those oppose it is because they have an irrational fear that 'them govment gonna take 'way mys guns.'

And by the way, the purpose of a gun registry isn't the prevent crime, you dope.



The reason why I oppose gun registration has nothing to do with government taking away my guns, I oppose it because it's a waste of time and money that does nothing to reduce gun crime it just makes the bedwetters feel like something is being done.

Here is Canadian politician Garry Breitkreutz explaining why Canada abolished gun registration, the interesting part of this long talk is he was for gun registration before he became against it. Garry even blames the firearms registry for deaths of police officers who became complacent after registry said no registered guns were present, the police were instructed not to contact registry before raids and assume criminals will have unregistered guns.


After spending over $2 billion dollars on their firearms registry Canada abolished it, they said it did nothing to reduce gun crime and that money would be better spent putting more police on the streets.


Gun crime did not increase after abolishing registry it continued to decline, take note of how he said the USA side of the Canada border had lower gun crime despite the fact they have next to no gun laws compared to Canada.


It would be nice if we had honest politicians of this calibre


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Reply #5 - Jun 27th, 2018 at 6:22pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 26th, 2018 at 10:26pm:
Auggie wrote on Jun 26th, 2018 at 9:04pm:
Frankly, I have no issue with the government knowing who does and doesn't own a firearm.

The reason why those oppose it is because they have an irrational fear that 'them govment gonna take 'way mys guns.'

And by the way, the purpose of a gun registry isn't the prevent crime, you dope.



The reason why I oppose gun registration has nothing to do with government taking away my guns, I oppose it because it's a waste of time and money that does nothing to reduce gun crime it just makes the bedwetters feel like something is being done.

Here is Canadian politician Garry Breitkreutz explaining why Canada abolished gun registration, the interesting part of this long talk is he was for gun registration before he became against it. Garry even blames the firearms registry for deaths of police officers who became complacent after registry said no registered guns were present, the police were instructed not to contact registry before raids and assume criminals will have unregistered guns.


After spending over $2 billion dollars on their firearms registry Canada abolished it, they said it did nothing to reduce gun crime and that money would be better spent putting more police on the streets.


Gun crime did not increase after abolishing registry it continued to decline, take note of how he said the USA side of the Canada border had lower gun crime despite the fact they have next to no gun laws compared to Canada.


It would be nice if we had honest politicians of this calibre




Gun registry isn't about crime, you dope.

Second, in Canada, the Federal Government abolished the gun registry. But what about the individual provinces? Did they abolish them??
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Reply #6 - Jun 28th, 2018 at 9:33pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jun 27th, 2018 at 6:22pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 26th, 2018 at 10:26pm:
Auggie wrote on Jun 26th, 2018 at 9:04pm:
Frankly, I have no issue with the government knowing who does and doesn't own a firearm.

The reason why those oppose it is because they have an irrational fear that 'them govment gonna take 'way mys guns.'

And by the way, the purpose of a gun registry isn't the prevent crime, you dope.



The reason why I oppose gun registration has nothing to do with government taking away my guns, I oppose it because it's a waste of time and money that does nothing to reduce gun crime it just makes the bedwetters feel like something is being done.

Here is Canadian politician Garry Breitkreutz explaining why Canada abolished gun registration, the interesting part of this long talk is he was for gun registration before he became against it. Garry even blames the firearms registry for deaths of police officers who became complacent after registry said no registered guns were present, the police were instructed not to contact registry before raids and assume criminals will have unregistered guns.


After spending over $2 billion dollars on their firearms registry Canada abolished it, they said it did nothing to reduce gun crime and that money would be better spent putting more police on the streets.


Gun crime did not increase after abolishing registry it continued to decline, take note of how he said the USA side of the Canada border had lower gun crime despite the fact they have next to no gun laws compared to Canada.


It would be nice if we had honest politicians of this calibre




Gun registry isn't about crime, you dope.

Second, in Canada, the Federal Government abolished the gun registry. But what about the individual provinces? Did they abolish them??


If you listened to the Canadian politician on why they abolished gun registration it does nothing to prevent or solve gun crime and Politicians sell you a perception they're doing something good.

The NSW Police minister said in my link greater than 97% of all gun crime is done with unregistered firearms. which would back up what the Canadian politician also said.


Sylvania post office was busted importing over 200 Glocks that could never be registered here due to barrel being shorter than legislated minimum length. They were able to track the Sylvania post office workers as the buyers and importesr of these guns despite the fact they were never registered and could not be registered. The firearms registry did nothing in solving this illegal importation case the manufacturers assisted police in where the guns went.

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Post office smuggling case: '220 guns imported']


Police allege a Sydney-based syndicate had imported up to 220 illegal pistols since late last year.

NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione told a press conference today that "gun crime is in our sights" but he conceded many other such syndicates could be operating in Sydney

Police confirmed that a Glock pistol seized in January was the only one they had found of the Glock 220 pistols they believe were imported into Sydney in the previous three months.

Three people have been charged after Australian and German detectives smashed an international gun smuggling syndicate alleged to have been run, at least in part, from a suburban Sydney post office.

Police raided 11 properties in Sydney yesterday morning, including Sylvania Waters Post Office, in the city's south, eight homes and an import business.

They arrested three men, including a 30-year-old post office licensee, a 21-year-old worker at the import business and a 27-year-old telecommunications technician.

The men were charged with a raft of offences including supplying firearms, aggravated possession of firearms and participating in a criminal group.

All were refused bail and are due to appear at Burwood and Sutherland local courts today.

It is alleged the trio were part of a syndicate importing Glock pistols from Austria via a gun dealership in Remscheid, west Germany, using falsified documents.

Police began an investigation into the operation in February after tracing guns found in Sydney, including a Glock linked to a shooting in Campsie in late January, to a batch made in Austria.
The weapons were traced to the German gun dealership, which is alleged to have imported them to Australia using false consignment data.

Sylvania Waters Post Office is alleged to have been the end destination for the guns before they were distributed to bikie and Middle Eastern gangs across the city.


"We will be alleging these guns were being imported specifically for use by criminals, including outlaw motorcycle gang members and those in Middle Eastern organised crime groups," Mr Scipione said in a statement.
"One firearm has been linked to a south-western Sydney shooting and we are making further inquiries to see if others are similarly linked."

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/post-office-smuggling-case-220-guns-imported...




The only thing firearm registration achieves is giving the bedwetting hoplophobes a warm feeling that something is being done despite the fact it's expensive and doesn't achieve anything.
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Reply #7 - Jun 29th, 2018 at 9:39am
 
Hear hear.
Been saying it for nearly 22yrs. Problem is this country is full of gullible people.
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Reply #8 - Jun 29th, 2018 at 8:09pm
 
Firearm registration isn't about reducing gun crime.

How many times do I have to make this point?
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Reply #9 - Jun 30th, 2018 at 10:01pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jun 29th, 2018 at 8:09pm:
Firearm registration isn't about reducing gun crime.

How many times do I have to make this point?


Where have I said firearm registration does anything to reduce or solve gun crime?

As the Canadian politician said firearm registration gives the bedwetting hoplophobes a perception something is being done to control firearms even though it's costly and doesn't achieve anything.
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