Auggie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 5:54pm:


Can you quote me saying any of those things? Or is every single one a lie?

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:


You have repeatedly accused Gandalf of lying or 'weaseling' his way of something, like the collective treacherous Jews.

You're very clever by saying: "Can you quote me saying any of those things?" I don't need to; I know what's in your heart and mind, and no matter how much you try to dress it up, you fundamentally believe each of those things above.

Auggie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 6:27pm:


You are confused Auggie. Asking you to quote me saying those things is not some kind of magic trick. Not sure why you are so desperate to defend Islam, but lying isn't going to help.

The following is the logic of Yadda, FD, Valkie et al.

All Muslims are terrorists or support terrorism.

All terrorists are Muslim.

All Muslims who preach peace are liars.

All liars are Muslim.

Gandalf is a Muslim. Gandalf preaches peace therefore Gandalf is a liar.

Auggie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 9:48pm:


That's a pissweak excuse Auggie. You are defending against your own lies, nothing more.

How does lying help you defend against bigotry and slander?

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 10:03pm:


I'm not lying FD. You, Valkie and your ilk claim that there ain't a 'racist bone in your body', but drink-drivers frequently claim that they're not 'drunk'.

The fact that you attributed the plight of Arabs to inbreeding (by showing a dubious chart) indicates that you have racist inclinations.

Islam is an ideology. Rejection of an ideology cannot be classified as phobia. To call the opponents of an ideology phobic is a fallacy. All ideologies have their critics and opponents but we do not hear Christians calling the critics of Christianity Christianophobe, communists calling their critics communitophobe or Hindus calling theirs hinduphobe. The term "Islamophobia" is both technically and logically incorrect and misleading.   

According to Dictionary.com Phobia is “a persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous.”  Therefore the neologism "Islamophobia" implies that Islam is not dangerous and the fear of it is irrational. 

This claim has not been established and it is not universally agreed upon. There are many who argue that Islam is indeed a dangerous ideology and they have their logical arguments to prove their claim. Irrespective of whether the critics of Islam are right or wrong about whether Islam is dangerous or not, calling them “phobic” implies that their criticism has been already refuted and the irrationality of their fear of Islamic threat has been established. Therefore their disagreement with Islam is not logical but a mental disorder.

All ideologies have their opponents. It is sheer arrogance to call criticism of any ideology, phobia. This implies that the truth of that ideology is already established and anyone opposing it is adopting an irrational position and is in need of psychological help.
The neologism Islamophobia makes absolutely no sense. It is derogatory and is used in a pejorative way to discredit the critics of Islam from the outset.   

Phobia is a disorder. Here is a short list of a few phobias: Achluophobia or Lygophobia (fear of darkness), Acrophobia, (fear of heights), Androphobia (fear of men), Aviatophobia (fear of flying), Chiraptophobia (fear of being touched), Claustrophobia (fear of confined spaces), Coitophobia (fear of coitus), Decidophobia (fear of making decisions),  Agrophobia or Demophobia (fear of crowds), Eleutherophobia (fear of freedom), Gynophobia (fear of women), Hadephobia (fear of hell -this is the phobia affecting all the Muslims), Hylophobia (fear of forests),  Insectophobia, (fear of insects), Isolophobia (fear of solitude, being alone), Necrophobia, (fear of death or dead things), Neophobia (fear of anything new), Phasmophobia, (fear of ghosts), Philophobia, (fear of falling in love or being in love), Xenophobia, (fear of strangers or foreigners), etc. (For more see this)

How can criticism of Islam fall into this category? These are all irrational fears that require therapy. Are Muslims suggesting that the critics of Islam should receive therapy? We can’t classify disagreement with Islam as phobia. Islam is an ideology. Phobia is irrational fear of things, people or situations but not beliefs. You can't be phobic of a belief system. Beliefs per se are not frightening. It's people who follow nefarious beliefs that become dangerous and frightening. As one can see, the very term "Islamophobia" is stupid because Islam is a belief system and it is not possible to be phobic of a belief. From whichever angle you look at Islam you find its stupidity glaring at you. 

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina60526.htm

Auggie wrote on Jun 14^th, 2018 at 6:53pm:


So stating a fact makes you racist now? Do you deny that a lot of Muslims are retarded due to inbreeding? Do you think trying to sweep it under the carpet is going to help the problem? Do you like seeing little girls married off to their cousins to be raped and raise inbred, retarded jihadis? If they were any religion other than Islam, would you be trying this idiotic ploy of using the race card to defend them from facts?

If you know I never said those things in your OP, don't you think it was a little stupid to try to attribute them to me?

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:


You have repeatedly accused Gandalf of lying or 'weaseling' his way of something, like the collective treacherous Jews.

You're very clever by saying: "Can you quote me saying any of those things?" I don't need to; I know what's in your heart and mind, and no matter how much you try to dress it up, you fundamentally believe each of those things above.

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 8:23pm:


I'm not defending Islam. I couldn't give two hoots about Islam or any religion. I am defending against bigotry and slander.

Auggie wrote on Jun 14^th, 2018 at 6:53pm:


So you have simply used the LW Prog fallacy to libel people.

Again, you’re missing the point. It’s the fact that you attempt to dehumanise other people that makes you a racist.

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2018 at 7:05pm:


Gandalf doesn't share that view.

Second, you believe that some races are better than others. This is the very definition of racism. The fact that you elude to the high rates of inbreeding among Arabs indicates that you believe that Arabs are 'lesser' than other races.

That is the very definition of racism.

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2018 at 7:35pm:


Yes, you've said that 'inbreeding is responsible for the plight of the Arabs, and as a result they are poorer than other races. They, therefore don't deserve our help.'

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2018 at 7:35pm:


Yes, you've said that 'inbreeding is responsible for the plight of the Arabs, and as a result they are poorer than other races. They, therefore don't deserve our help.'

Do you uphold your use of porkies in your campaign against the Muselman?

Are they just sub-human degenerates who squat down to pee and play with their dicks all day?

What sound does a jellyfish make?

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2018 at 8:21pm:


If that's what you believe, then so be it. I won't ask you to quote me, though.

Auggie wrote on Jun 20^th, 2018 at 8:22pm:


I can quote you being clueless if you want. Would you like me to quote your opening post again?

Auggie wrote on Jun 20^th, 2018 at 8:55pm:


Would you be embarrassed if I quoted you sprouting off about something you know nothing about?

And how did you get it so wrong? It's not like you only joined up yesterday.

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2018 at 8:59pm:


I'll tell you what? I'll let you quote me if you tell me the reason why Mothra and John Smith were banned? And I mean the real reason...

Social psychologists who know a thing or two about racism and prejudice describe this process as performing "outgroup homogeneity" - where the 'outgroup' (the group in which the racism/prejudice is targeting, in this case "muslims"), is dehumanised as a homogenous  unthinking collective.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 19^th, 2018 at 2:13pm:

Tell me one thing I should like about Islam that is unique to it,  thick, pretentious airhead.

One thing you like about it and recommend and find nowhere else.

One.

Stupid.

Bloody.

Airhead.


ONE.

No one has to tolerate anything that spawns world wide terrorism.

The global top 24 listed terrorist groups, are all devout followers of ???

moses wrote on Jun 25^th, 2018 at 6:00pm:


And 30 years ago the global top listed Terrorist organisations were devout followers of which religion??? 

no.

So is it really 'cleared up once and for all' now? Yeah I didn't think so either.

And 30 years ago the global top listed Terrorist organisations were devout followers of which religion???

Brian Ross' excuse: Reply #60 - Yesterday at 6:10pm

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30 years ago? Another smokescreen to excuse 21st century islamic terror?

O.K. please be kind enough to inform us: Who were the top 24 listed global terrorist organizations 30 years ago?

Please tell us what religion they were using to validate their terrorism, please back up your statements by quoting the various religious texts they were using for said substantiation.

So many smokescreens to hide and excuse islamic terrorism.

So many smokescreens to excuse the cause and motivation of islamic terrorism, (islam / qur'an)

So many smokescreens to avoid naming the cause of islamic terrorism, as the muslims and their apologists much more prefer the present day bloodshed death and destruction, over simply being truthful about the root cause of all the islamic terrorist problems the world is experiencing.(islam is the cause of its' own problems)

to make you realise that this is just a passing phase in world events.   In a decade, Islamismism willl be largely forgotten

replaced by some other threat and you'll be screaming about that,

Please read your above posts, you are desperately trying to take the attention away from muslims slaughtering innocent people because the qur'an tells them to.

You're a number one top notch apologist / exonerator, for islamic terrorism.

What about the Nazis who never committed a crime. Should we spinelessly apologise for them at every opportunity also?

freediver wrote on Jun 26^th, 2018 at 7:27pm:


Is there a direct link between Nazism and the acts they committed?? Yes.

Is there a direct link between Islam (as a religion) and the acts of terrorism. No.

The correct response is to distinguish Islam (the religion) from Islamism the ideology.

If we can do this, then we all get somewhere, both on the right and the left.

So, you are interpreting religion devoid of all spiritual components?? That makes an Islamist.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:



SO ignoring Islamic terrorism is the correct response to Islamic terrorism, you stupid old fraud?  Ignore global Islamic terrorism but get really hot under the collar about Australian party politics and Pauline Hanson?????? 

You stand alone, Bwian, as the idiot king of this wide brown land

Who suggested it should be "ignored", Soren?

Concern about it should be placed in proportion.   Islamist Terrorism is a minor problem for the overwhelming majority of the world's population.  You are in greater danger from being struck by lightning than you are of being killed by an Islamist Terrorist.

If Western Governments were to address the root causes of Islamism and it's Terrorists, it would largely disappear, Soren.  Your hatred and intolerance is one of it's driving forces.  Your refusal to tolerate moderate, mainstream Islam shows how short sighted you are, Soren.   

Auggie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2018 at 6:58pm:

You are a looney, that's what i think.

One minute you are strict about 'Oh, but it's not in thee koran'. The next minute you carry on about spiritual components.  You are an idiot, except you are too simple even to be an idiot. You are a mouthy simpleton unaware of your limitations.






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Be a man, Frank. Argue like a man.

Just as Christianity is an excuse for Christian Terrorism.