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Kim just proved his nukes work
Jun 13th, 2018 at 11:15am
 
- helped ably of course by the most inept US President in history.

Kim's nukes, and threats to use them on US soil (specifically Guam) if provoked, convinced Trump to come to the negotiating table. Something that no other US president has been persuaded to do. This alone is a huge victory for Kim and NK - the standard response by past US presidents has been to not want to legitimise NK's regime by meeting with the Kim's as equals.

As for the actual summit, Trump made literally the only concession made - to abandon the war games off NK with South Korea. Furthermore, Trump horrified politicians and media alike in the US by describing them exactly for what they are - a provocation. So Kim not only removed a direct physical threat to his soil, he got the US president to admit they were wrong in the first place. Even further, Trump is now openly talking about removing US troops from the peninsular altogether. Trump got absolutely nothing in return. Nada, Zilch. Worse, he went in assuring everyone he would achieve clear and ironclad commitments by Kim to disarm. He didn't come close. All he got was some wafty vague claim that maybe, sometime in the future Kim might disarm. Pathetic.

Kim's status and legitimacy has skyrocketed overnight. Trump continues to talk about him in glowing terms - for now at least he is no longer "little rocket man" or some crazy murderous despot. Even while the issue of sanctions and trade prospects remains up in the air, really could Kim have hoped for any more from this summit? He not only secured the only actual concession made at the summit, he has also practically legitimised and protected his nukes - given that he is under no obligation whatsoever - I repeat, no obligation whatsoever, to get rid of them. But most of all, he is now a recognised "player" on the international stage, at least as far as the US is concerned. And that, is surely more than Kim could have dreamed of heading into the summit.
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Re: Kim just proved his nukes work
Reply #1 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 3:26pm
 
You mean those nukes that blew up his manufacturing facility?
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Reply #2 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 3:38pm
 
Despite a 70 year impasse and failure after failure to stop them developing nukes, you blame Trump, even tho he's had the most significant diplomacy breakthru with them, ever.


No wonder you follow rantings of deluded psychopath from the bronze age.
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Reply #3 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 4:05pm
 
It most certainly was a breakthrough - and a triumph... for Kim. He's played Trump like a fiddle.
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Reply #4 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 4:14pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 11:15am:
- helped ably of course by the most inept US President in history.

Kim's nukes, and threats to use them on US soil (specifically Guam) if provoked, convinced Trump to come to the negotiating table. Something that no other US president has been persuaded to do. This alone is a huge victory for Kim and NK - the standard response by past US presidents has been to not want to legitimise NK's regime by meeting with the Kim's as equals.

As for the actual summit, Trump made literally the only concession made - to abandon the war games off NK with South Korea. Furthermore, Trump horrified politicians and media alike in the US by describing them exactly for what they are - a provocation. So Kim not only removed a direct physical threat to his soil, he got the US president to admit they were wrong in the first place. Even further, Trump is now openly talking about removing US troops from the peninsular altogether. Trump got absolutely nothing in return. Nada, Zilch. Worse, he went in assuring everyone he would achieve clear and ironclad commitments by Kim to disarm. He didn't come close. All he got was some wafty vague claim that maybe, sometime in the future Kim might disarm. Pathetic.

Kim's status and legitimacy has skyrocketed overnight. Trump continues to talk about him in glowing terms - for now at least he is no longer "little rocket man" or some crazy murderous despot. Even while the issue of sanctions and trade prospects remains up in the air, really could Kim have hoped for any more from this summit? He not only secured the only actual concession made at the summit, he has also practically legitimised and protected his nukes - given that he is under no obligation whatsoever - I repeat, no obligation whatsoever, to get rid of them. But most of all, he is now a recognised "player" on the international stage, at least as far as the US is concerned. And that, is surely more than Kim could have dreamed of heading into the summit.


Yeah, excellent post.

You've summed it up well.

The little despot with the bad haircut (Kim, not Trump) must be laughing his ass off at the moment.

"I said, I want the same amount of flags as America, and they said 'Sure!'".

"And then I said, show me the sights of Singapore, and they DID!".

"So then I said, admit that your war games on the peninsula are provocative and tell your troops to pull their heads in, and the dotard said 'Sure, will do Mr Kim'"



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Reply #5 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 6:28pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 4:05pm:
It most certainly was a breakthrough - and a triumph... for Kim. He's played Trump like a fiddle.



b.shite    thats what YOU HOPE....

the world is watching    70 years ago there was no such thing as the internet and TV.... to watch everything as it happened..

we are very lucky today   history is now recorded as it happens.....no body doing a rewrite later on to suit their case..

wait and see gandy   you may be pleasantly or unpleasantly surprised..

if he pulls it off will you give him any credit?


or would you rather see Kim sending rockets to W.A. and the N.T. Angry


yes it would seem the sour grapes brigade   would rather Kim hang on to his rockets so he can blast away at australia.. nice ,one boys.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

talk about bitter!
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Reply #6 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 6:34pm
 
cods wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 6:28pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 4:05pm:
It most certainly was a breakthrough - and a triumph... for Kim. He's played Trump like a fiddle.



b.shite    thats what YOU HOPE....

the world is watching    70 years ago there was no such thing as the internet and TV.... to watch everything as it happened..

we are very lucky today   history is now recorded as it happens.....no body doing a rewrite later on to suit their case..

wait and see gandy   you may be pleasantly or unpleasantly surprised..

if he pulls it off will you give him any credit?


or would you rather see Kim sending rockets to W.A. and the N.T. Angry


yes it would seem the sour grapes brigade
   would rather Kim hang on to his rockets so he can blast away at australia.. nice ,one boys.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

talk about bitter!


Can you provide evidence of anyone here wanting the little fat dictator (Kim, not Trump) wanting to "hang on to his rockets"?

I'm curious.
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Reply #7 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 6:38pm
 

"I said, I want the same amount of flags as America, and they said 'Sure!'".

"And then I said, show me the sights of Singapore, and they DID!".

"So then I said, admit that your war games on the peninsula are provocative and tell your troops to pull their heads in, and the dotard said 'Sure, will do Mr Kim'"


Kim's laughing his ass off.

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Reply #8 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 6:56pm
 
Trump has just legitimized the North Korean dictator by meeting him one on one. Lets not forget the horrendous human rights abuses committed under Kim Jong Un.

Trump has also sent the message to any other tinpot dictatorship that the way to be recognised on the world stage and get an audience with the US president is to develop nuclear weapons
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Reply #9 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 6:57pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 11:15am:
- helped ably of course by the most inept US President in history.

Kim's nukes, and threats to use them on US soil (specifically Guam) if provoked, convinced Trump to come to the negotiating table. Something that no other US president has been persuaded to do. This alone is a huge victory for Kim and NK - the standard response by past US presidents has been to not want to legitimise NK's regime by meeting with the Kim's as equals.

As for the actual summit, Trump made literally the only concession made - to abandon the war games off NK with South Korea. Furthermore, Trump horrified politicians and media alike in the US by describing them exactly for what they are - a provocation. So Kim not only removed a direct physical threat to his soil, he got the US president to admit they were wrong in the first place. Even further, Trump is now openly talking about removing US troops from the peninsular altogether. Trump got absolutely nothing in return. Nada, Zilch. Worse, he went in assuring everyone he would achieve clear and ironclad commitments by Kim to disarm. He didn't come close. All he got was some wafty vague claim that maybe, sometime in the future Kim might disarm. Pathetic.

Kim's status and legitimacy has skyrocketed overnight. Trump continues to talk about him in glowing terms - for now at least he is no longer "little rocket man" or some crazy murderous despot. Even while the issue of sanctions and trade prospects remains up in the air, really could Kim have hoped for any more from this summit? He not only secured the only actual concession made at the summit, he has also practically legitimised and protected his nukes - given that he is under no obligation whatsoever - I repeat, no obligation whatsoever, to get rid of them. But most of all, he is now a recognised "player" on the international stage, at least as far as the US is concerned. And that, is surely more than Kim could have dreamed of heading into the summit.


You read the Granuiad, pal, we can see.  It was this - chance of detente - or the increasing chance of armed conflict with a maddie.

But you Reagen, Bush, Howard, Abbott, Trump-derangement sufferers would rather piss on the chance of detente just because Trump brought it around.  Were you this snivelling and snide when the two Korean presidents met? No. Was he a 'player' then? Of course.

You are pathetic.
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The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Trump has just legitimized the North Korean dictator by meeting him one on one. Lets not forget the horrendous human rights abuses committed under Kim Jong Un.

Trump has also sent the message to any other tinpot dictatorship that the way to be recognised on the world stage and get an audience with the US president is to develop nuclear weapons



would you rather we gather our armies on the borders of Nth Korea   and use combat??????...

remember Trump has a bigger army than Kim....

Embarrassed Embarrassed

is that what you would prefer??>.



WHY?..
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Frank wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 6:57pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 11:15am:
- helped ably of course by the most inept US President in history.

Kim's nukes, and threats to use them on US soil (specifically Guam) if provoked, convinced Trump to come to the negotiating table. Something that no other US president has been persuaded to do. This alone is a huge victory for Kim and NK - the standard response by past US presidents has been to not want to legitimise NK's regime by meeting with the Kim's as equals.

As for the actual summit, Trump made literally the only concession made - to abandon the war games off NK with South Korea. Furthermore, Trump horrified politicians and media alike in the US by describing them exactly for what they are - a provocation. So Kim not only removed a direct physical threat to his soil, he got the US president to admit they were wrong in the first place. Even further, Trump is now openly talking about removing US troops from the peninsular altogether. Trump got absolutely nothing in return. Nada, Zilch. Worse, he went in assuring everyone he would achieve clear and ironclad commitments by Kim to disarm. He didn't come close. All he got was some wafty vague claim that maybe, sometime in the future Kim might disarm. Pathetic.

Kim's status and legitimacy has skyrocketed overnight. Trump continues to talk about him in glowing terms - for now at least he is no longer "little rocket man" or some crazy murderous despot. Even while the issue of sanctions and trade prospects remains up in the air, really could Kim have hoped for any more from this summit? He not only secured the only actual concession made at the summit, he has also practically legitimised and protected his nukes - given that he is under no obligation whatsoever - I repeat, no obligation whatsoever, to get rid of them. But most of all, he is now a recognised "player" on the international stage, at least as far as the US is concerned. And that, is surely more than Kim could have dreamed of heading into the summit.



It was this - chance of detente - or the increasing chance of armed conflict with a maddie.

But you Reagen, Bush, Howard, Abbott, Trump-derangement sufferers would rather piss on the chance of detente just because Trump brought it around.

You are pathetic.




you do not need to tell anyone that frank....

their bitterness overflows... disgusting!  but expected..
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The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Trump has just legitimized the North Korean dictator by meeting him one on one. Lets not forget the horrendous human rights abuses committed under Kim Jong Un.

Trump has also sent the message to any other tinpot dictatorship that the way to be recognised on the world stage and get an audience with the US president is to develop nuclear weapons


Yep.

He rolled out the red carpet (literally!) for a tin-pot dictator who, among other things, has had members of his own family murdered.

Atrocities Under Kim Jong-un: Indoctrination, Prison Gulags, Executions

What a complete and utter fool Trump is.

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Reply #13 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 7:04pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Trump has just legitimized the North Korean dictator by meeting him one on one. Lets not forget the horrendous human rights abuses committed under Kim Jong Un.

Trump has also sent the message to any other tinpot dictatorship that the way to be recognised on the world stage and get an audience with the US president is to develop nuclear weapons

Well, don't meet Chinese presidents, nobody from Africa, the Muslim Middle East, Latin Americans then.

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Reply #14 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 7:05pm
 
YEP LETS GO TO WAR..

the lefties cant stand the thought of Trump being triumphant... Smiley Smiley Smiley

it would break their hearts
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