Whatever agreement had been reached and whether it sticks or not, that meeting is truly historic.

Why couldn't Obama get as far as this?

Not Cathay and Kim is it????? By any chance ....

cods wrote on Jun 12^th, 2018 at 10:58pm:


Kim’s gulags, public executions, and the planned starvation of his people have now all been legitimised on the world stage, thanks to Trump.

Why do you see this as worthy of praise, cods?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 10:59am:



so far your the only one that see that?.... should we turn our back on Germany   after all they were responsible for the worst crimes in our history??? 

your pretty pathetic......this is not about KIM and DON  its about the world learning to live with each other with the threat of nukes......

or would you prefer Kim still  setting his rocket sites towards  Australia In particular W.A.....

cods wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 11:21am:


I ask you a question, and you respond with personal abuse (with incorrect spelling).

Moreover, many, many people agree with me.

i.e. all Trump has done is legitimise a tin-pot dictator on the world stage.

Wake up cods, nothing has happened.

A one page (vague) document was signed, and two egomaniacs have had their moment in the sun.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 11:31am:



sorry gandy   the Germans were for Germany in 1939..,...like Muslims are for Islam in 2018....


in 2018  Kim jong un met Donald Trump.... in 2017   we were on the borders of WW111  only this time it would Be NUCLEAR ... Kim Jong un was pointing nasty nuclear rockets in all directions....being a secret landscape  no one outside of Nth Korea really knew the extent of his nuclear war weapons ...was he showing off????   lets hope we never find out...

someone ... guess who.... stood up to Kim....the rest of the world stopped and watched   NO ONE  PUT THEIR HAND UP to say what was the perfect way to deal with this!!!!!!! what could be a catastrophic point in HISTORY...... ....NO ONE.... ..

yet we have come to a point where two very powerful men are shaking hands....

just think gandy   if someone had been able to talk HITLER down from dream of ruling the world.. at least 6 millions lives would have been saved....

history doesnt bare repeating.... Stalin was also a prime murderer.....yet he died in bed......when Hussein  another despicable  murderer was in fact dealt with..


who yes let me ask you gandy  who was the first to COMPLAIN.....he should still be there   doing what he did so well.......murder all who got in his way....

funny old world isnt it?.....

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from what I have heard YES HE HS   KIM HAS SIGNED TO DISARM HIS NUCLEAR WEAPONS.....


its a beginning gandy   instead of looking  for faults   why not put your money on something good coming out of this...

let gweg worry about being insulted because I dont agree with him.....


we havent had a nuclear war yet.... maybe thats what it will take for some folks to give credit where its due......

no I am not saying this is a high 5   but I am giving it a thumbs up.....and anyone who has sour grapes   should pull their heads in...

cods wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 1:06pm:
you heard wrong.

NK was in a corner with sanctions, regime change was a shade away from happening.

Gordon wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 1:48pm:


Those aren't the only two options.

Gordon wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 2:00pm:


There has been no progress.

All we've seen is "a dictator who has ordered the murder of his own family members, and who oversees a gulag comparable to those of Hitler and Stalin, ... able to parade on the global stage as a legitimate statesman, praised by the president of the United States as 'very talented' and worthy of trust."

Dear oh dear.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 2:10pm:


We're at meeting day plus 1.

The fact a meet took place is progress.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 2:10pm:


A dictator who has ordered the murder of his own family members, and who oversees a gulag comparable to those of Hitler and Stalin, has been able to parade on the global stage as a legitimate statesman, praised by the president of the United States as 'very talented' and worthy of trust.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 2:07pm:



and all the lefties whinged and complained bitterly about Hussein being given the chop.....another who got rid of family members at the drop of a hat...as well as thousands   just because he didnt like their religion...



what do you suggest we do... WAR?... oooops   isnt that against lefties principles?

..... or we can sit back and let Kim fire rockets at us...

what else!!! oh thats right sanctions that usually only affect the people and not the hierarchy ...


anything is better than talking and a handshake ...why?

why are you against peace?

why dont you want to stop a madman killing people????...


WHY?


what have you got against peace at any price????????

nothing will bring back those that are dead     but it could stop more happening'

why are you against that?>

issuevoter wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 2:23pm:



like all leties  they have selective memories.... trouble is we havnt...

I dont know if Trump is the best man for this job..

but at least he stood up to this... despot... and got a reaction...   he told Kim where to go and called off the meet... and Kim was the one that went begging for it to continue...

to me that says a lot.......Kim had more to lose than Trump....

this is a brave thing to do...

Bringing down the Wall wasnt easy either   but it did happen...

and yes it means doing business  with people who do not have a lot in the way of ethics......but its better than the other choices...

It's possible to hate Trump and hope the meeting leads to progress.

Learn to multitask,  people

cods wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 2:30pm:


July 2007, I think.

He was asked if he would be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of his administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea.

His response was "yes".

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 2:55pm:


And that was the correct way to go, so why are you against Trump meeting Kim now that conditions are even more favorable for progress?

Trump should get the Nobel Peace Prize. Obama received it for doing far less for world peace, in fact he did more harm especially where Iran is concerned.

This initiative may amount to nought, but Trump certainly progressed further than Obama ever did in a very short period of time.......

Fuzzball wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 3:17pm:


Let's not get carried away here. Remember all forum comments about WW3 a few months ago? It is quite possible Trump will Phaq this up. Guiliani and Pence have already done their best to kybosh the pitch.

Bojack has jogged my memory. I seem to remember Osama Obama saying he would meet Kim. So what we may have domestically, is an agreement that pisses-off the Republicans and the Democrats. That would be classic Trump.

Gordon wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 7:56pm:


I don't remember. Someone should Google that. At the same time, it seems like everyone is jumping to conclusions. There's an Op Ed on the ABC likening Trump to Chamberlain, and Kim to Hitler. The comparison is so far off kilter that I wonder if they actually pay these journalists.

issuevoter wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 7:49pm:


Well it could hardly get any worse than when Nobama was in office. As I said, it may not result in a change for the good, but at least he's achieved much more than his predecessor. Nobody's getting "carried away", the fact is Trump met with the little fat guy and probably left him in no doubt that the alternative to his nuclear ambitions doesn't bear thinking about.

Fuzzball wrote on Jun 14^th, 2018 at 9:29am:



trump was right to go meet the little fat guy and this is what occurs in nature.

if i introduce a new gelding (Kim Jon) into a paddock with an established stallion (Trump), the stallion would NEVER just ignore the gelding.

he is straight over in a flash.

and he will establish dominance immediately.

he might give the gelding a kick or a bite, make the gelding move off, herd it around for a bit and show it he is the "superior horse".

the interesting thing is that once the hierachy is sorted out, you go back in 2 hours and there they are, standing side by side, mutually groomng each others necks .

trump undertsands how to keep the herd functional

as leader of the free world , it is important he mans up, establishes the hierachy  and then mutually grooms.
thats how nature does it.

these leftie beta males in positions of power are very unnatural.

obama, trudeau, merkel, macron, turnbull...they arent in accordance with nature.
hence they will be a darwinian "dead end " and will soon become extinct 

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 14^th, 2018 at 10:36am:



the stallion doesnt "offer " to do anything.

the rabbit and the sheep might "offer" up their throats , maybe.

the stallion does what the stallion is going to do.



darwinian?
well , for the last 100,000 years since we came down from the trees, human societies have been led by the most competant males.
there has always been a hierachy and the hierachy was there to make you safe.

since 1960 leftie intellectuals have seen this "patriachy" as "oppressive" and have done everything in their power to destroy it.

and they are almost there.

but the patriachy is NOT oppressive.
the patriachy is the natural tendency of men to look around and choose the most competant men to lead them.

thats what happens organically (in a darwinian sense) when you put men together.

the lefties dont accept this.

they see men as "clinging to power".
they cant distinguish the tyrant from the competant.

once we started being led by the incompetant  (the likes of blair, dave cameron, teresa may, obama, bill clinton, merkel, macron , hollande, trudeau) we started down a very novel road from a darwinian perspective.

because we have never given the power to the meek and the sheep like and seen good things happen.

its almost impossible to express just how bad that idea is.

but lets play the game out and see where it lands us.

i think we are in pretty bad shape.
trump may be the 'dead cat bounce' of the patriachy.

could be the case.

if he is, i think most people are going to be much much worse off 

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 14^th, 2018 at 10:51am:



oh i wouldnt want trumps job.
he's far more competant then me.

if i was in a room with a  bunch of men and we were looking around for someone to lead us, i'd pick trump as our leader and then i'd feel safe and secure and get back to creating my awesome life 

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14^th, 2018 at 10:58am:


And shagging horses

cods wrote on Jun 14^th, 2018 at 11:13am:




Caught in an endless loop of bad pop psychology and aqua repeating the same BS all the time.

Gordon wrote on Jun 12^th, 2018 at 9:00pm:


Because our president Trump is a genius.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 14^th, 2018 at 11:32am:


And your problem Buttcrack Arseman is that you don't comprehend a word you read........Nobama's relationship with Iran amounted to shipping multimillions of US dollars in CASH over to Iran for them to finance terrorism in the Middle East........good old cotton picker Muslim lover Nobama's gutless attitude was pay them and they'll leave us alone and direct their aggression towards Israel.......and finance the Syrian regime to eradicate their opposition......

Fuzzball wrote on Jun 14^th, 2018 at 11:57am:




And cods, you going to get up Fuzzball for personal abuse. Doubt it.

Fuzzball wrote on Jun 14^th, 2018 at 1:05pm:




I was talking to cods.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 14^th, 2018 at 11:32am:



ahhh but it doesnt stop the PERSONAL bits does it..

all I remember of Obama  is LIBYA...



hey lefties  who is Obama shaking hands with???..


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US President Barack Obama has said the worst mistake of his presidency was a lack of planning for the aftermath of the 2011 toppling of Libyan strongman Muammar Gaddafi.

“Probably failing to plan for the day after what I think was the right thing to do in intervening in Libya,” Obama said in an interview by Fox News on Sunday.


he admits he failed..

he and Ms Clinton also watched Gaddafi  murdered  by the very  men they sent in....he was murdered in a most horrendous way..

so I do read perhaps this is what YOU prefer not to read..

cods wrote on Jun 14^th, 2018 at 2:18pm:




Shaking hands with a dictator, nothing wrong with it per se, it just doesn't mean much. And it was the RWers having a crack at Obama for wanting to/and doing it.

cods wrote on Jun 14^th, 2018 at 3:27pm:


Shaking hands isn't the problem.

Rolling out the red carpet (literally!), giving him the same amount of flags, taking him sight seeing at night, sitting down to eat with him at a lavish lunch, and calling him "very smart" is the problem.

Frank wrote on Jun 14^th, 2018 at 6:27pm:





One flag!   

Okay, you got me there.

Now all you need is rolling out the red carpet (literally!), taking him sight seeing at night, sitting down to eat with him at a lavish lunch, and calling him "very smart" .

Over to you, Einstein   

Auggie wrote on Jun 14^th, 2018 at 6:38pm:


You're not naive enough to think it's a total top down dictatorship,  right?

Check out the look on the fat dictator's face (Kim, not Trump):





"What the hell is that dotard doing?"

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Auggie wrote on Jun 15^th, 2018 at 5:18pm:


Are you sure he wasn't pissing in his pocket?

Gordon wrote on Jun 12^th, 2018 at 9:00pm:


Because Obama only became a President to be successful, beyond being just the 'first black man' 

Trump was 'already' successful, before becoming a President.
He also had the 'confidence' to know that he could kick North Korea's arse - but has taken a 'Political' maturity of peace-talks.

Trump is a legend and a true battler against the only 'enemy' he has to face - (Entertainers, Celebrities and other 'molestors' who think they know whats best for the USA).

Yep the meeting was historic and truly remarkable, so Kudos to Trump who had done more than the last two failed Presidents. The issue is that Left wing Americans and others around the world, and especially Left leaning MSM want Trump to fail, and fail badly just try and legitimise their own belief systems.

Take for example news reports about Trump saluting a NK general and how they bagged him for it, yet when when Obama bowed and scrapped to another despot, the Saudi king years ago they call it expert diplomacy....It's a weird world we live in !!!

Gordon wrote on Jun 12^th, 2018 at 9:00pm:


Because he was attacked by those like you saying that meeting with North Korea was a huge mistake and were relentless in their attacks on the subject.

But now you, like they, support Trump when he does it?

https://nowthisnews.com/videos/politics/fox-news-different-reactions-regarding-n...

What the?

Gordon wrote on Jun 12^th, 2018 at 9:00pm:


Because when he did it with Iran, the Israelis didn't like it.

You?

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When two like minds meet.

That is two like minded dictators.