Australian Politics Forum - Who are the people Allah calls Hypocrites in Quran

polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: Who are the people Allah calls Hypocrites in Quran Reply #15 - Jul 1^st, 2018 at 5:49pm freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2018 at 5:20pm: Did Muhammad the illiterate provide a dictionary to go along with his book? He went one better - he (as in the Quran recital) explained clearly exactly what a hypocrite is. And guess what - it wasn't "those muslims who don't take Islam seriously"
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Re: Who are the people Allah calls Hypocrites in Quran
Reply #16 - Jul 1^st, 2018 at 5:52pm

Imrah wrote on Jul 1^st, 2018 at 5:21pm:

It depends on how literally they read their holy text, unfortunately for us mutilated infidels.

Indeed. For example too many muslims don't take these two verses literally: "there is no compulsion in religion" and "whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve" - and somehow think that instead people must be forced to believe, or else face death.

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Reply #17 - Jul 1^st, 2018 at 5:55pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1^st, 2018 at 5:49pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2018 at 5:20pm:

Did Muhammad the illiterate provide a dictionary to go along with his book?

He went one better - he (as in the Quran recital) explained clearly exactly what a hypocrite is. And guess what - it wasn't "those muslims who don't take Islam seriously"

I think that must have been some bug in the transliteration. What he meant was, "those humans who don't take Islam seriously" but maybe he had a point in 600AD or whenever. Now the Tigris and the Euphrates are all but dried up and the oil is the great elixer of Allah, and it is about time these raggamuffins got with the frucking programme and understand the other five billion souls stuck here on Earth with the exact same bloody right to be here as they do.

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Re: Who are the people Allah calls Hypocrites in Quran
Reply #18 - Jul 1^st, 2018 at 5:57pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1^st, 2018 at 5:49pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2018 at 5:20pm:

Did Muhammad the illiterate provide a dictionary to go along with his book?

He went one better - he (as in the Quran recital) explained clearly exactly what a hypocrite is. And guess what - it wasn't "those muslims who don't take Islam seriously"

Are you going to provide this definition, or do we have to go looking?

How did he define Jihad?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: Who are the people Allah calls Hypocrites in Quran Reply #19 - Jul 1^st, 2018 at 6:32pm I was putting my faith in you managing the challenging task of typing "Quran + hypocrite" into google. My bad, here you go FD, open up, here comes the aeroplane! https://quran.com/63 - see verses 1-7 for example.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47469 At my desk.	Re: Who are the people Allah calls Hypocrites in Quran Reply #20 - Jul 1^st, 2018 at 6:34pm Quote: When the hypocrites come to you, [O Muhammad], they say, "We testify that you are the Messenger of Allah ." And Allah knows that you are His Messenger, and Allah testifies that the hypocrites are liars. So hypocrit = liar? Is there a definition for jihad in there somewhere?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: Who are the people Allah calls Hypocrites in Quran Reply #21 - Jul 1^st, 2018 at 7:45pm freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2018 at 6:34pm: So hypocrit = liar? all the verses I referred to you put together makes it pretty clear what a hypocrite is FD. And I think we can both agree it isn't "those humans who don't take Islam seriously".
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47469 At my desk.	Re: Who are the people Allah calls Hypocrites in Quran Reply #22 - Jul 1^st, 2018 at 8:25pm Apostates?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: Who are the people Allah calls Hypocrites in Quran Reply #23 - Jul 1^st, 2018 at 8:32pm apostates what? I hope you'r still not asking me to explain what is so clearly explained in verses 63:1-7
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47469 At my desk.	Re: Who are the people Allah calls Hypocrites in Quran Reply #24 - Jul 1^st, 2018 at 8:33pm He says it is because they believed then disbelieved. That makes them apostates, right? Is there a definition for jihad in there somewhere?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: Who are the people Allah calls Hypocrites in Quran Reply #25 - Jul 1^st, 2018 at 8:35pm get back to me when you've actually read it FD.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47469 At my desk.	Re: Who are the people Allah calls Hypocrites in Quran Reply #26 - Jul 1^st, 2018 at 8:36pm Quote: That is because they believed, and then they disbelieved; so their hearts were sealed over, and they do not understand.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: Who are the people Allah calls Hypocrites in Quran Reply #27 - Jul 1^st, 2018 at 9:05pm Congratulations FD, thats one verse. Would you like to quote the other 6? It might help - #justsayin
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47469 At my desk.	Re: Who are the people Allah calls Hypocrites in Quran Reply #28 - Jul 1^st, 2018 at 9:53pm Would you? You are the one who thinks it tells us something, not me. Is there a definition for jihad in there somewhere?
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