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Jun 10th, 2018 at 2:17pm
 
Let us hope the officers who knew of the atrocities and covered them up are exposed and punished.

No doubt that Grappler will use this opportunity to publish one of his fantasy anecdotes to defend the indefensible.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/federal/special-forces-rookie-blooded-...

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Special forces rookie 'blooded' by executing an unarmed man
By Chris Masters & Nick McKenzie
9 June 2018

A Special Air Service Regiment trooper on his first deployment to Afghanistan was pressured to execute an elderly, unarmed detainee by fellow higher-ranking soldiers as part of a "blooding" ritual, according to defence insiders who were witnesses at the scene.

And on the same mission, another man with a prosthetic leg was killed by machine-gun fire. His plastic leg was souvenired and later taken back to SAS headquarters in Perth to be used as a novelty beer drinking vessel.


The summary execution of the elderly detainee on Easter Sunday, 2009, is one of several incidents involving a rogue SASR team operating in Afghanistan which has been uncovered by a Fairfax Media investigation and corroborated by special forces insiders.

The grey-haired, bearded Afghan man executed by the "rookie" was, according to some SASR members, a suspected Taliban member, but at the time presented no threat to Australian soldiers. The newly deployed soldier allegedly shot the man after being prompted by two more senior soldiers, one of whom was earlier overheard proclaiming a need to "blood the rookie".

One of the sources said the killing was less abhorrent than the pressuring.

"If poo needs to be done, do it yourself," the soldier said.

SASR sources claim the man with the prosthetic leg was machine-gunned by a soldier that, for legal reasons, Fairfax Media will call "Leonidas".

Leonidas is also implicated in the killing of a detainee three years later in September 2012 during a SASR mission in the village of Darwan. Leonidas allegedly kicked handcuffed detainee Ali Jan off the edge of a small cliff, badly injuring his face, according to claims of two defence force insiders who witnessed the event.

As the detainee lay injured, hands still bound, the two witnesses say Leonidas was party to the decision among soldiers to “get him out of his misery”. The claims have been backed by the relatives of  Ali Jan who were interviewed this week by an Afghan journalist on assignment with Fairfax Media.

The allegations, which have circulated among insiders for years, have now been corroborated by various sources across the globe during a six-month Fairfax Media investigation.

They are likely to be central to inquiries commenced two years ago by the Inspector-General of the Australian Defence Force, assisted by NSW Supreme Court Judge, Major-General Paul Brereton.

The IGADF inquiry was commissioned by then chief of army, Lieutenant-General Angus Campbell (soon to be become chief of the Defence Force) following a scoping study instigated by then special forces commander, Major General Jeff Sengelman, and conducted by Dr Samantha Crompvoets.

At the time, General Sengelman took what must have been an unpopular stand among some of his peers by lifting the lid on the secrets of the SASR, but also raising questions about command failure.

Dr Crompvoets’ report came to detail "unsanctioned and illegal application of violence on operations" and a "complete lack of accountability" involving Australia’s elite special forces. The main combat elements of Australian Special Forces are the Special Air Service Regiment and the Commandos.

Observers say Australia’s longest war was allowed to bleed on, desensitising special forces operators engaged in too many deployments. Over time, the secretive status of special forces generated a culture allowing mateship to overwhelm accountability.

The IGADF inquiry into "rumours of the possible breaches of the Laws of Armed Conflict" parallels an International Criminal Court investigation into alleged atrocities committed in Afghanistan by Taliban, militants and coalition forces.

The ICC’s interest is likely to be one reason the ADF wants to stay ahead of the curve for the sake of its international reputation.

Ms Crompvoets' report describes "enormous and difficult challenges" facing the Australian government in combating rogue actions by soldiers, warning the misconduct goes "well beyond blowing off steam" and involves "problems deeply embedded in the culture of the special forces".

In a statement, the Defence Force said the ongoing inquiry by Justice Brereton would make "recommendations" about how to deal with any substantiated allegations of war crimes.

"The IGADF Afghanistan Inquiry has, for some time, been aware of allegations of significant issues involving the Special Operations Task Group in Afghanistan, which are within the scope of the Inquiry ...
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Reply #1 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 2:52pm
 
I had a ham sandwich for lunch.
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Reply #2 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 2:52pm
 
And of course the freaks they were fighting were soooooo
Honest
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Just and of course

Woukd never have done anything close to an atrocity.

When fighting against a foe who has no rules.
One must throw the rule book out the window.
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Reply #3 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 2:56pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 2:52pm:
And of course the freaks they were fighting were soooooo
Honest
Fair
Moral
Just and of course

Woukd never have done anything close to an atrocity.

When fighting against a foe who has no rules.
One must throw the rule book out the window.


The Taliban used to force kids to walk in front of them to clear a path thu mine fields.

Also stories about how a father used to get his daughter to walk in front of the goat because a goat is more valuable than a female child.

Revolting culture.


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Reply #4 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 2:58pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 2:56pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 2:52pm:
And of course the freaks they were fighting were soooooo
Honest
Fair
Moral
Just and of course

Woukd never have done anything close to an atrocity.

When fighting against a foe who has no rules.
One must throw the rule book out the window.


The Taliban used to force kids to walk in front of them to clear a path thu mine fields.

Also stories about how a father used to get his daughter to walk in front of the goat because a goat is more valuable than a female child.

Revolting culture.




Culture?
Sorry, I don't consider it a culture, it's simply a collection of perverted, primitive animals.

And this CULT is worse than anything ever devised by anyone.
Makes Hitler look good by comparison.
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Reply #5 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 2:59pm
 
Every human has a conscious and for whatever reason they may have done what they did, they will never be the same person again.

They will need help to get over their actions and if it was a war crime then they should be prosecuted accordingly.
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Reply #6 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 3:02pm
 
And these Afghanistani fighters woukd never consider torturing their captives.

Never a thought further from their tiny pointed and rather empty heads.

Yeah right, wink wink, nudge, nudge.
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Reply #7 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 3:14pm
 
A war crime is a war crime their is no discrimination on race or colour.

Are we going to bring ourselves down to their level....?!?!

Become the very thing we despise....???



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Reply #8 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:21pm
 
Seems par for course for the SAS since '65.
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Reply #9 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:29pm
 
Ajax wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 3:14pm:
A war crime is a war crime their is no discrimination on race or colour.

Are we going to bring ourselves down to their level....?!?!

Become the very thing we despise....???





If you get into a fight and your opponent starts cheating.
And you know he is going to beat you to a pulp if you continue to fight fair.

You have two choices.
Get beaten to a pulp by an immoral and cheating creep.
Or
Start using his own tactics against him and beat him to a pulp.

Why fight with one hand behind your back?
Fight to win, regardless of the means or methods.
Fair fights are for competition and games.

My old man used to say.
The only fair fight is the one you win, no matter what it takes to win.
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Reply #10 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 5:58pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:29pm:
Ajax wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 3:14pm:
A war crime is a war crime their is no discrimination on race or colour.

Are we going to bring ourselves down to their level....?!?!

Become the very thing we despise....???





If you get into a fight and your opponent starts cheating.
And you know he is going to beat you to a pulp if you continue to fight fair.

You have two choices.
Get beaten to a pulp by an immoral and cheating creep.
Or
Start using his own tactics against him and beat him to a pulp.

Why fight with one hand behind your back?
Fight to win, regardless of the means or methods.
Fair fights are for competition and games.

My old man used to say.
The only fair fight is the one you win, no matter what it takes to win.


Fair enough but if I knock him to the ground and he can no longer continue, I'm not going to kick him in the head.

Although he might of if I was on the ground.
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Reply #11 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 6:07pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 2:17pm:
Let us hope the officers who knew of the atrocities and covered them up are exposed and punished.

No doubt that Grappler will use this opportunity to publish one of his fantasy anecdotes to defend the indefensible.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/federal/special-forces-rookie-blooded-...

Quote:
Special forces rookie 'blooded' by executing an unarmed man
By Chris Masters & Nick McKenzie
9 June 2018

A Special Air Service Regiment trooper on his first deployment to Afghanistan was pressured to execute an elderly, unarmed detainee by fellow higher-ranking soldiers as part of a "blooding" ritual, according to defence insiders who were witnesses at the scene.

And on the same mission, another man with a prosthetic leg was killed by machine-gun fire. His plastic leg was souvenired and later taken back to SAS headquarters in Perth to be used as a novelty beer drinking vessel.


The summary execution of the elderly detainee on Easter Sunday, 2009, is one of several incidents involving a rogue SASR team operating in Afghanistan which has been uncovered by a Fairfax Media investigation and corroborated by special forces insiders.

The grey-haired, bearded Afghan man executed by the "rookie" was, according to some SASR members, a suspected Taliban member, but at the time presented no threat to Australian soldiers. The newly deployed soldier allegedly shot the man after being prompted by two more senior soldiers, one of whom was earlier overheard proclaiming a need to "blood the rookie".

One of the sources said the killing was less abhorrent than the pressuring.

"If poo needs to be done, do it yourself," the soldier said.

SASR sources claim the man with the prosthetic leg was machine-gunned by a soldier that, for legal reasons, Fairfax Media will call "Leonidas".

Leonidas is also implicated in the killing of a detainee three years later in September 2012 during a SASR mission in the village of Darwan. Leonidas allegedly kicked handcuffed detainee Ali Jan off the edge of a small cliff, badly injuring his face, according to claims of two defence force insiders who witnessed the event.

As the detainee lay injured, hands still bound, the two witnesses say Leonidas was party to the decision among soldiers to “get him out of his misery”. The claims have been backed by the relatives of  Ali Jan who were interviewed this week by an Afghan journalist on assignment with Fairfax Media.

The allegations, which have circulated among insiders for years, have now been corroborated by various sources across the globe during a six-month Fairfax Media investigation.

They are likely to be central to inquiries commenced two years ago by the Inspector-General of the Australian Defence Force, assisted by NSW Supreme Court Judge, Major-General Paul Brereton.

The IGADF inquiry was commissioned by then chief of army, Lieutenant-General Angus Campbell (soon to be become chief of the Defence Force) following a scoping study instigated by then special forces commander, Major General Jeff Sengelman, and conducted by Dr Samantha Crompvoets.

At the time, General Sengelman took what must have been an unpopular stand among some of his peers by lifting the lid on the secrets of the SASR, but also raising questions about command failure.

Dr Crompvoets’ report came to detail "unsanctioned and illegal application of violence on operations" and a "complete lack of accountability" involving Australia’s elite special forces. The main combat elements of Australian Special Forces are the Special Air Service Regiment and the Commandos.

Observers say Australia’s longest war was allowed to bleed on, desensitising special forces operators engaged in too many deployments. Over time, the secretive status of special forces generated a culture allowing mateship to overwhelm accountability.

The IGADF inquiry into "rumours of the possible breaches of the Laws of Armed Conflict" parallels an International Criminal Court investigation into alleged atrocities committed in Afghanistan by Taliban, militants and coalition forces.

The ICC’s interest is likely to be one reason the ADF wants to stay ahead of the curve for the sake of its international reputation.

Ms Crompvoets' report describes "enormous and difficult challenges" facing the Australian government in combating rogue actions by soldiers, warning the misconduct goes "well beyond blowing off steam" and involves "problems deeply embedded in the culture of the special forces".

In a statement, the Defence Force said the ongoing inquiry by Justice Brereton would make "recommendations" about how to deal with any substantiated allegations of war crimes.

"The IGADF Afghanistan Inquiry has, for some time, been aware of allegations of significant issues involving the Special Operations Task Group in Afghanistan, which are within the scope of the Inquiry ...



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Reply #12 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 6:09pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 2:52pm:
And of course the freaks they were fighting were soooooo
Honest
Fair
Moral
Just and of course

Woukd never have done anything close to an atrocity.

When fighting against a foe who has no rules.
One must throw the rule book out the window
.


One could only wonder why Unfor hasn't even got the nous to comprehend that fact.
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So far just unsubstantiated claims...
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Reply #14 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 6:13pm
 
Ajax wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 5:58pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:29pm:
Ajax wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 3:14pm:
A war crime is a war crime their is no discrimination on race or colour.

Are we going to bring ourselves down to their level....?!?!

Become the very thing we despise....???





If you get into a fight and your opponent starts cheating.
And you know he is going to beat you to a pulp if you continue to fight fair.

You have two choices.
Get beaten to a pulp by an immoral and cheating creep.
Or
Start using his own tactics against him and beat him to a pulp.

Why fight with one hand behind your back?
Fight to win, regardless of the means or methods.
Fair fights are for competition and games.

My old man used to say.
The only fair fight is the one you win, no matter what it takes to win.


Fair enough but if I knock him to the ground and he can no longer continue, I'm not going to kick him in the head.

Although he might of if I was on the ground.



That's why you're here & they're over there.

Rule 1.  There are no rules.

Rule 2.  No poofters  Wink
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Reply #15 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 8:11pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:29pm:
Ajax wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 3:14pm:
A war crime is a war crime their is no discrimination on race or colour.

Are we going to bring ourselves down to their level....?!?!

Become the very thing we despise....???





If you get into a fight and your opponent starts cheating.
And you know he is going to beat you to a pulp if you continue to fight fair.

You have two choices.
Get beaten to a pulp by an immoral and cheating creep.
Or
Start using his own tactics against him and beat him to a pulp.

Why fight with one hand behind your back?
Fight to win, regardless of the means or methods.
Fair fights are for competition and games.

My old man used to say.
The only fair fight is the one you win, no matter what it takes to win.



When you unleash the dogs of war evil comes out.

Both sides in WW2 executed prisoners of war.

We don't hear about what the allies did because we won and were the "good guys."
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Reply #16 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 9:12pm
 
It's amazing how many Ozpolitic members are in favor of Australian troops committing atrocities while they condemn atrocities committed by others.

Sheer evil and hypocrisy from the usual suspects, Denizens Valkie, Gordon, Bobby, and Gnads. Lip-service patriots.
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Reply #17 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 9:14pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
It's amazing how many Ozpolitic members are in favor of Australian troops committing atrocities while they condemn atrocities committed by others.

Sheer evil and hypocrisy from the usual suspects, Denizens Valkie, Gordon, Bobby, and Gnads. Lip-service patriots.

No mention of the scumbags who killed and wounded our soldiers while on parade.
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Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
It's amazing how many Ozpolitic members are in favor of Australian troops committing atrocities while they condemn atrocities committed by others.

Sheer evil and hypocrisy from the usual suspects, Denizens Valkie, Gordon, Bobby, and Gnads. Lip-service patriots.



I just said that evil happens on all sides of war.

I stated a fact.
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Bobby wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
It's amazing how many Ozpolitic members are in favor of Australian troops committing atrocities while they condemn atrocities committed by others.

Sheer evil and hypocrisy from the usual suspects, Denizens Valkie, Gordon, Bobby, and Gnads. Lip-service patriots.



I just said that evil happens on all sides of war.

I stated a fact.


That is implicit support for atrocities.

Bobby would sell his principles for a song if he had any.
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Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 10:10pm:
Bobby wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
It's amazing how many Ozpolitic members are in favor of Australian troops committing atrocities while they condemn atrocities committed by others.

Sheer evil and hypocrisy from the usual suspects, Denizens Valkie, Gordon, Bobby, and Gnads. Lip-service patriots.



I just said that evil happens on all sides of war.

I stated a fact.


That is implicit support for atrocities.

If you want to talk about atrocities look up Taliban and public executions boofhead.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 10:12pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 10:10pm:
Bobby wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
It's amazing how many Ozpolitic members are in favor of Australian troops committing atrocities while they condemn atrocities committed by others.

Sheer evil and hypocrisy from the usual suspects, Denizens Valkie, Gordon, Bobby, and Gnads. Lip-service patriots.



I just said that evil happens on all sides of war.

I stated a fact.


That is implicit support for atrocities.

If you want to talk about atrocities look up Taliban and public executions boofhead.


How is that different from SAS atrocities?
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Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 10:16pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 10:12pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 10:10pm:
Bobby wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
It's amazing how many Ozpolitic members are in favor of Australian troops committing atrocities while they condemn atrocities committed by others.

Sheer evil and hypocrisy from the usual suspects, Denizens Valkie, Gordon, Bobby, and Gnads. Lip-service patriots.



I just said that evil happens on all sides of war.

I stated a fact.


That is implicit support for atrocities.

If you want to talk about atrocities look up Taliban and public executions boofhead.


How is that different from SAS atrocities?

It's not. I'd never condone murder by coalition soldiers. But not mentioning Taliban atrocities makes you seem biased.
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Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
It's amazing how many Ozpolitic members are in favor of Australian troops committing atrocities while they condemn atrocities committed by others.

Sheer evil and hypocrisy from the usual suspects, Denizens Valkie, Gordon, Bobby, and Gnads. Lip-service patriots.


When you live in a world where atrocities are committed, you are not likely to come out smelling like roses yourself. I find it sad we send our people that are at least somewhat civilised to be corrupted by what they are faced with. To make it to the SAS, psychopaths are weeded out, to turn our soldiers this way, if it's true, you can blame those they had to fight. Or those who ordered them there.

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Reply #24 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 10:33pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 10:16pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 10:12pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 10:10pm:
Bobby wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
It's amazing how many Ozpolitic members are in favor of Australian troops committing atrocities while they condemn atrocities committed by others.

Sheer evil and hypocrisy from the usual suspects, Denizens Valkie, Gordon, Bobby, and Gnads. Lip-service patriots.



I just said that evil happens on all sides of war.

I stated a fact.


That is implicit support for atrocities.

If you want to talk about atrocities look up Taliban and public executions boofhead.


How is that different from SAS atrocities?

It's not. I'd never condone murder by coalition soldiers. But not mentioning Taliban atrocities makes you seem biased.


The blueturd SEEM bias  Smiley
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A dirty trick the Taliban love is to initiate contact with coalition soldiers amongst civilians . When the coalition   calls in a airstrike on the enemy position  a bunch of civilians die. That's what the Taliban are like. Pure scum.
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Reply #26 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 10:38pm
 
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A dirty trick the Taliban love is to initiate contact with coalition soldiers amongst civilians . When the coalition   calls in a airstrike on the enemy position  a bunch of civilians die. That's what the Taliban are like. Pure scum.


Same as how Hamas launch rockets from schools and hospitals.
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Fkthe taliban.

The multiple credible reports of killings, rapes and other horrors meted out against the city’s residents must prompt the Afghan authorities to do more now to protect civilians, in particular in areas where more fighting appears imminent.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/10/afghanistan-harrowing-accounts-em...
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Reply #28 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 10:44pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 10:38pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 10:33pm:
A dirty trick the Taliban love is to initiate contact with coalition soldiers amongst civilians . When the coalition   calls in a airstrike on the enemy position  a bunch of civilians die. That's what the Taliban are like. Pure scum.


Same as how Hamas launch rockets from schools and hospitals.

Using dead civilians as propaganda instruments.
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Setanta wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 10:29pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
It's amazing how many Ozpolitic members are in favor of Australian troops committing atrocities while they condemn atrocities committed by others.

Sheer evil and hypocrisy from the usual suspects, Denizens Valkie, Gordon, Bobby, and Gnads. Lip-service patriots.


When you live in a world where atrocities are committed, you are not likely to come out smelling like roses yourself. I find it sad we send our people that are at least somewhat civilised to be corrupted by what they are faced with. To make it to the SAS, psychopaths are weeded out, to turn our soldiers this way, if it's true, you can blame those they had to fight. Or those who ordered them there.



Military forces are created to get psychopaths off the streets in their home country and send them overseas to kill foreigners.

What sort of person would seek a lifetime career in the military?
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Reply #30 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 10:52pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 10:47pm:
Setanta wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 10:29pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
It's amazing how many Ozpolitic members are in favor of Australian troops committing atrocities while they condemn atrocities committed by others.

Sheer evil and hypocrisy from the usual suspects, Denizens Valkie, Gordon, Bobby, and Gnads. Lip-service patriots.


When you live in a world where atrocities are committed, you are not likely to come out smelling like roses yourself. I find it sad we send our people that are at least somewhat civilised to be corrupted by what they are faced with. To make it to the SAS, psychopaths are weeded out, to turn our soldiers this way, if it's true, you can blame those they had to fight. Or those who ordered them there.



Military forces are created to get psychopaths off the streets in their home country and send them overseas to kill foreigners.

What sort of person would seek a lifetime career in the military?


My Grandfather was a full Colonel, is that a career in the military? Yeah, sure. My family has served for generations and they are not psychopaths. In fact they are why you are free to type this crap.
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If you hate australia and love Afghanistan so much,  piss off and go live there.

I'll pay for your ticket.
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If you hate australia and love Afghanistan so much,  piss off and go live there.

I'll pay for your ticket.


That's a bit harsh on Setanta. Will you have to mortgage?
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Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 11:00pm:
Gordon wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 10:54pm:
If you hate australia and love Afghanistan so much,  piss off and go live there.

I'll pay for your ticket.


That's a bit harsh on Setanta. Will you have to mortgage?


Meh, I probably have family there. Not all of them escaped after 1947.

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Reply #34 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 11:07pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 11:00pm:
Gordon wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 10:54pm:
If you hate australia and love Afghanistan so much,  piss off and go live there.

I'll pay for your ticket.


That's a bit harsh on Setanta. Will you have to mortgage?


No comments on the Taliban rape squads or coopting kids to their death squads.
I bet you're a weak as piss turd who would join the likes of taliban given half the chance.

Maybe your only chance of sex would be from a captured sex slave.

Honestly,  hate Australia this much, go experience the joys of islam in Afghanistan.
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And of course the freaks they were fighting were soooooo
Honest
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Would never have done anything close to an atrocity.

When fighting against a foe who has no rules.
One must throw the rule book out the window.


Fully agree. Can't see the sense in being civil and catching them when they've no concern for anyone else. Just send them on their way with bullet up their you know what.
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Gordon wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 11:07pm:
... Maybe your only chance of sex would be from a captured sex slave. ...


Is that Doctor Two-fingers Gordon's recommendation.

Doctor Gordon is implicitly supporting atrocities by the SAS?
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Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
It's amazing how many Ozpolitic members are in favor of Australian troops committing atrocities while they condemn atrocities committed by others.

Sheer evil and hypocrisy from the usual suspects, Denizens Valkie, Gordon, Bobby, and Gnads. Lip-service patriots.


Although I can't speak on behalf of the other forum posters, I bet that they would see the abhorrence of war crimes, regardless of who committed them. I don't condone war crimes committed by the SAS. But I would make the bet that they have committed some to make a point to their enemies. The army in East Timor, allegedly, used dead bodies of the enemy to interrogate the enemy prisoners. Apparently, it was effective in extracting information, without having to cut into the bodies of the interrogated. Though... I would choose a different strategy.
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UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 1:59am:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
It's amazing how many Ozpolitic members are in favor of Australian troops committing atrocities while they condemn atrocities committed by others.

Sheer evil and hypocrisy from the usual suspects, Denizens Valkie, Gordon, Bobby, and Gnads. Lip-service patriots.


Although I can't speak on behalf of the other forum posters, I bet that they would see the abhorrence of war crimes, regardless of who committed them. I don't condone war crimes committed by the SAS. But I would make the bet that they have committed some to make a point to their enemies. The army in East Timor, allegedly, used dead bodies of the enemy to interrogate the enemy prisoners. Apparently, it was effective in extracting information, without having to cut into the bodies of the interrogated. Though... I would choose a different strategy.


The difference is that our soldiers fight the scum who try to kill them.

The scum, send filth into our countries, not to kill soldiers, but to kill innocent children.

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Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 10:47pm:
Setanta wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 10:29pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
It's amazing how many Ozpolitic members are in favor of Australian troops committing atrocities while they condemn atrocities committed by others.

Sheer evil and hypocrisy from the usual suspects, Denizens Valkie, Gordon, Bobby, and Gnads. Lip-service patriots.


When you live in a world where atrocities are committed, you are not likely to come out smelling like roses yourself. I find it sad we send our people that are at least somewhat civilised to be corrupted by what they are faced with. To make it to the SAS, psychopaths are weeded out, to turn our soldiers this way, if it's true, you can blame those they had to fight. Or those who ordered them there.



Military forces are created to get psychopaths off the streets in their home country
and send them overseas to kill foreigners.

What sort of person would seek a lifetime career in the military?



The military doesn't recruit psychopaths - they recruit ordinary people, which is precisely why there is a high percentage of burn-out.

You've forfeited any right to comment with that ridiculous comment.
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Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 10:15am:
The military doesn't recruit psychopaths - they recruit ordinary people, which is precisely why there is a high percentage of burn-out.

You've forfeited any right to comment with that ridiculous comment.


So, Grappler contends that military personnel are not psychopaths at the time of recruitment.

PTSD rate in the military is only 11-20%. That is not to say there aren't other undiagnosed or unrecognized psychiatric conditions in military personnel.
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They should not have been there, in the first place. The Northern Alliance drove the Talibs (Scholars of Mohamed) out of Kabul. So far, so good. All the West needed to do was keep the NA armed, but George Bush needed to look tough with the US electorate after 911. And so Australia got roped into an unwinnable war. The difference between the rare atrocities committed by Australian troops and those committed by the Scholars of Mohamed is that civilised people abhor such conduct and deal with it, while the Scholars use atrocity as their prime strategy, and believe it is ordained by God.
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issuevoter wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 5:25pm:
They should not have been there, in the first place. The Northern Alliance drove the Talibs (Scholars of Mohamed) out of Kabul. So far, so good. All the West needed to do was keep the NA armed, but George Bush needed to look tough with the US electorate after 911. And so Australia got roped into an unwinnable war. The difference between the rare atrocities committed by Australian troops and those committed by the Scholars of Mohamed is that civilised people abhor such conduct and deal with it, while the Scholars use atrocity as their prime strategy, and believe it is ordained by God.

The Northern Alliance only has control in Afghanistan because of US military intervention. If The US didn't get involved the Taliban would still have control. Still, I agree. We should never have got involved in that craphole. But we are a small minnow in the world that needs our alliance with the US so China doesn't invade us.
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issuevoter wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 5:25pm:
They should not have been there, in the first place. The Northern Alliance drove the Talibs (Scholars of Mohamed) out of Kabul. So far, so good. All the West needed to do was keep the NA armed, but George Bush needed to look tough with the US electorate after 911. And so Australia got roped into an unwinnable war. The difference between the rare atrocities committed by Australian troops and those committed by the Scholars of Mohamed is that civilised people abhor such conduct and deal with it, while the Scholars use atrocity as their prime strategy, and believe it is ordained by God.


After the 911, the US should have gone in with everything they had and given them 12 months of shock and awe, and killed any fighting age male that smelled like a Taliban, then got out.

As for changing hearts and minds, bugger that. They're culturally stone age. Leave them to their tribal squabbles and just drone strike anything that looks like a threat to western security.

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Afghanistan has been through 5 election cycles since the intervention.
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Afghanistan has been through 5 election cycles since the intervention.

And it will never get any better. They have a war culture. You can have  one village hating another village 3kms away because a crappy motorbike was sold or not enough dowry was provided for a wedding. It's a rotten society from the ground up. I think they don't have enough to do.
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issuevoter wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 5:25pm:
They should not have been there, in the first place. The Northern Alliance drove the Talibs (Scholars of Mohamed) out of Kabul. So far, so good. All the West needed to do was keep the NA armed, but George Bush needed to look tough with the US electorate after 911. And so Australia got roped into an unwinnable war. The difference between the rare atrocities committed by Australian troops and those committed by the Scholars of Mohamed is that civilised people abhor such conduct and deal with it, while the Scholars use atrocity as their prime strategy, and believe it is ordained by God.


After the 911, the US should have gone in with everything they had and given them 12 months of shock and awe, and killed any fighting age male that smelled like a Taliban, then got out.

As for changing hearts and minds, bugger that. They're culturally stone age. Leave them to their tribal squabbles and just drone strike anything that looks like a threat to western security.




No country ever won a war in Afghanistan.

The Russians proved that & then the silly West got involved.
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Howsabout declaring Saudi Arabia a terrorist state, and imposing sanctions where they are not allowed to sell their oil. That would be a great start.


As for soldiers in a war zone, well they should carry a thermos of tea and a pack of teddy bears, instead of weapons, and have a kumbaya sing song with any head chopping jihadist they encounter.


Ask any lefty, if we were just more understanding and nicer to them, they would ignore all the quranic verses calling for murder and death to infidels.

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Unforgiven wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 1:55pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 10:15am:
The military doesn't recruit psychopaths - they recruit ordinary people, which is precisely why there is a high percentage of burn-out.

You've forfeited any right to comment with that ridiculous comment.


So, Grappler contends that military personnel are not psychopaths at the time of recruitment.

PTSD rate in the military is only 11-20%. That is not to say there aren't other undiagnosed or unrecognized psychiatric conditions in military personnel.


Not even a remote comparison... the rate of PTSD - around 30% in combat troops and that includes nearby ancillary troops as well - is generated (wait for it) as a RESULT of the exposure of otherwise civilised human beings to an uncivilised environment.  It is a PSYCHOLOGICAL disorder created by environmental factors in otherwise normal human beings.

Psychiatric issues are rapidly discovered and weeded out, and nowhere more than in Special Forces, which, contrary to cafe gangster belief, rely on intelligence, composure, training, and teamwork and has no place for 'lone wolves'.  NO psychopathic individual ever gets into Special Forces, and even if the shrinks miss them, which is unlikely, the sergeants sitting on a Selection Board will find them out... ye've my word on it.

Sometimes extraordinary measures are called for, usually in response to extreme actions on the part of an enemy - for example, the SS declared that they would take no Airborne prisoners if Europe was invaded, and the Hitlerjugend Division massacred Canadian prisoners as a matter of policy.  The PAVN did the same, and Yon Islamites are noted for their barbarity towards prisoners.

There is no justification in such circumstances for not meting out the same in retaliation, and it is often the case that this can occur.  US Airborne routinely refused to take SS prisoner, because the SS did it to them, often in horrifying ways, and neither did the Canadians after their experience in Normandy with Hitler's young murderers.  In Vietnam, considering the massacre of wounded at Dak To by the PAVN, and atrocities committed by them even early in that war, it is no wonder that some US troops killed PAVN soldiers as a matter of course. The 101st Airborne had the same early on with captured wounded tortured to death, leading to PAVN prisoners being executed out of hand.

I've told you before, about the Ia Drang, the wounded to killed ratio for the Seventh Cavalry was extraordinary - for the simple reason that the PAVN/VC killed wounded out of hand.

There are no rules in a knife fight.
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Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 7:58pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 1:55pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 10:15am:
The military doesn't recruit psychopaths - they recruit ordinary people, which is precisely why there is a high percentage of burn-out.

You've forfeited any right to comment with that ridiculous comment.


So, Grappler contends that military personnel are not psychopaths at the time of recruitment.

PTSD rate in the military is only 11-20%. That is not to say there aren't other undiagnosed or unrecognized psychiatric conditions in military personnel.


Not even a remote comparison... the rate of PTSD - around 30% in combat troops and that includes nearby ancillary troops as well - is generated (wait for it) as a RESULT of the exposure of otherwise civilised human beings to an uncivilised environment.  It is a PSYCHOLOGICAL disorder created by environmental factors in otherwise normal human beings.

Psychiatric issues are rapidly discovered and weeded out, and nowhere more than in Special Forces, which, contrary to cafe gangster belief, rely on intelligence, composure, training, and teamwork and has no place for 'lone wolves'.  NO psychopathic individual ever gets into Special Forces, and even if the shrinks miss them, which is unlikely, the sergeants sitting on a Selection Board will find them out... ye've my word on it.

Sometimes extraordinary measures are called for, usually in response to extreme actions on the part of an enemy - for example, the SS declared that they would take no Airborne prisoners if Europe was invaded, and the Hitlerjugend Division massacred Canadian prisoners as a matter of policy.  The PAVN did the same, and Yon Islamites are noted for their barbarity towards prisoners.

There is no justification in such circumstances for not meting out the same in retaliation, and it is often the case that this can occur.  US Airborne routinely refused to take SS prisoner, because the SS did it to them, often in horrifying ways, and neither did the Canadians after their experience in Normandy with Hitler's young murderers.  In Vietnam, considering the massacred of wounded at Dak To by the PAVN, and atrocities committed by them even early in that war, it is no wonder that some US troops killed PAVN soldiers as a matter of course. The 101st Airborne had the same early on with captured wounded tortured to death, leading to PAVN prisoners being executed out of hand.

I've told you before, about the Ia Drang, the wounded to killed ratio for the Seventy Cavalry was extraordinary - for the simple reason that the PAVN/VC killed wounded out of hand.

There are no rules in a knife fight.

Back during the ww1 the blokes in France for instance would do a spell on the line and then go back to the rear and get on the grog and into the girls all in safety. It must be hard fighting those wars where there is no frontline and civilians/enemy all dress the same. Nowhere is safe. A soldier would have to be on edge 24/7. No wonder so many have come back suffering trauma. Continual stress.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 8:03pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 7:58pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 1:55pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 10:15am:
The military doesn't recruit psychopaths - they recruit ordinary people, which is precisely why there is a high percentage of burn-out.

You've forfeited any right to comment with that ridiculous comment.


So, Grappler contends that military personnel are not psychopaths at the time of recruitment.

PTSD rate in the military is only 11-20%. That is not to say there aren't other undiagnosed or unrecognized psychiatric conditions in military personnel.


Not even a remote comparison... the rate of PTSD - around 30% in combat troops and that includes nearby ancillary troops as well - is generated (wait for it) as a RESULT of the exposure of otherwise civilised human beings to an uncivilised environment.  It is a PSYCHOLOGICAL disorder created by environmental factors in otherwise normal human beings.

Psychiatric issues are rapidly discovered and weeded out, and nowhere more than in Special Forces, which, contrary to cafe gangster belief, rely on intelligence, composure, training, and teamwork and has no place for 'lone wolves'.  NO psychopathic individual ever gets into Special Forces, and even if the shrinks miss them, which is unlikely, the sergeants sitting on a Selection Board will find them out... ye've my word on it.

Sometimes extraordinary measures are called for, usually in response to extreme actions on the part of an enemy - for example, the SS declared that they would take no Airborne prisoners if Europe was invaded, and the Hitlerjugend Division massacred Canadian prisoners as a matter of policy.  The PAVN did the same, and Yon Islamites are noted for their barbarity towards prisoners.

There is no justification in such circumstances for not meting out the same in retaliation, and it is often the case that this can occur.  US Airborne routinely refused to take SS prisoner, because the SS did it to them, often in horrifying ways, and neither did the Canadians after their experience in Normandy with Hitler's young murderers.  In Vietnam, considering the massacred of wounded at Dak To by the PAVN, and atrocities committed by them even early in that war, it is no wonder that some US troops killed PAVN soldiers as a matter of course. The 101st Airborne had the same early on with captured wounded tortured to death, leading to PAVN prisoners being executed out of hand.

I've told you before, about the Ia Drang, the wounded to killed ratio for the Seventy Cavalry was extraordinary - for the simple reason that the PAVN/VC killed wounded out of hand.

There are no rules in a knife fight.

Back during the ww1 the blokes in France for instance would do a spell on the line and then go back to the rear and get on the grog and into the girls all in safety. It must be hard fighting those wars where there is no frontline and civilians/enemy all dress the same. Nowhere is safe. A soldier would have to be on edge 24/7. No wonder so many have come back suffering trauma. Continual stress.


This is glossed over a lot - but part of the reason the Australian Corps was so successful in 1917-18 was that they were ruthless and bayoneted Germans out of hand.  The 18th Battalion in particular was famous for a throat thrust, and thus the Germans often ran rather than face them.

That's what happens in wars.  In WW II there were many charges of atrocities against Allied soldiers, but none was ever convicted.  Compared to the atrocities of the Germans and Japanese they were nothing.
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Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 7:58pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 1:55pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 10:15am:
The military doesn't recruit psychopaths - they recruit ordinary people, which is precisely why there is a high percentage of burn-out.

You've forfeited any right to comment with that ridiculous comment.


So, Grappler contends that military personnel are not psychopaths at the time of recruitment.

PTSD rate in the military is only 11-20%. That is not to say there aren't other undiagnosed or unrecognized psychiatric conditions in military personnel.


Not even a remote comparison... the rate of PTSD - around 30% in combat troops and that includes nearby ancillary troops as well - is generated (wait for it) as a RESULT of the exposure of otherwise civilised human beings to an uncivilised environment.  It is a PSYCHOLOGICAL disorder created by environmental factors in otherwise normal human beings.

Psychiatric issues are rapidly discovered and weeded out, and nowhere more than in Special Forces, which, contrary to cafe gangster belief, rely on intelligence, composure, training, and teamwork and has no place for 'lone wolves'.  NO psychopathic individual ever gets into Special Forces, and even if the shrinks miss them, which is unlikely, the sergeants sitting on a Selection Board will find them out... ye've my word on it.

Sometimes extraordinary measures are called for, usually in response to extreme actions on the part of an enemy - for example, the SS declared that they would take no Airborne prisoners if Europe was invaded, and the Hitlerjugend Division massacred Canadian prisoners as a matter of policy.  The PAVN did the same, and Yon Islamites are noted for their barbarity towards prisoners.

There is no justification in such circumstances for not meting out the same in retaliation, and it is often the case that this can occur.  US Airborne routinely refused to take SS prisoner, because the SS did it to them, often in horrifying ways, and neither did the Canadians after their experience in Normandy with Hitler's young murderers.  In Vietnam, considering the massacred of wounded at Dak To by the PAVN, and atrocities committed by them even early in that war, it is no wonder that some US troops killed PAVN soldiers as a matter of course. The 101st Airborne had the same early on with captured wounded tortured to death, leading to PAVN prisoners being executed out of hand.

I've told you before, about the Ia Drang, the wounded to killed ratio for the Seventy Cavalry was extraordinary - for the simple reason that the PAVN/VC killed wounded out of hand.

There are no rules in a knife fight.

Back during the ww1 the blokes in France for instance would do a spell on the line and then go back to the rear and get on the grog and into the girls all in safety. It must be hard fighting those wars where there is no frontline and civilians/enemy all dress the same. Nowhere is safe. A soldier would have to be on edge 24/7. No wonder so many have come back suffering trauma. Continual stress.


This is glossed over a lot - but part of the reason the Australian Corps was so successful in 1917-18 was that they were ruthless and bayoneted Germans out of hand.  The 18th Battalion in particular was famous for a throat thrust, and thus the Germans often ran rather than face them.

That's what happens in wars.  In WW II there were many charges of atrocities against Allied soldiers, but none was ever convicted.  Compared to the atrocities of the Germans and Japanese they were nothing.
The german high command couldn't believe we were from a civilised country by the way we fought. But that's why we were so good. Some years ago  footage surfaced of australian fighters strafing jap lifeboats. I knew a old bloke who was on one of the planes. Apparently they investigated him but nothing happened. I would have strafed the bastards if I had my way.
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Bismarck Sea Battle - by that time the Japanese had massacred natives, massacred prisoners including hospital patients, had tied up an Australian prisoner at Milne Bay and bayoneted him before they were kicked out, beheaded an entire Dutch missionary family on the north shore of New Guinea.....strafed parachuting aircrew and beheaded captured aircrew.... by that time not too many had any mercy for them.  They sowed the breeze and reaped the whirlwind, and didn't show any remorse or humanity even later, when they massacred POWs rather than allow them to be liberated.

They got what they deserved and what they paid for in blood of others.  Even the natives had had enough, and any survivors of the Bismarck Sea were head-hunted by hostile natives who'd been savagely treated.

If the choice is between them and you/yours - who you gonna  call?  Ghostbusters?
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 8:14pm:
I would have strafed the bastards if I had my way.


From a horizontal position in your couch? Dream on.
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Unforgiven wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 1:55pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 10:15am:
The military doesn't recruit psychopaths - they recruit ordinary people, which is precisely why there is a high percentage of burn-out.

You've forfeited any right to comment with that ridiculous comment.


So, Grappler contends that military personnel are not psychopaths at the time of recruitment.

PTSD rate in the military is only 11-20%. That is not to say there aren't other undiagnosed or unrecognized psychiatric conditions in military personnel.
Diagnosed. I would contend the actual rate of PTSD in frontline combat troops would be around 100 percent. The fact is that most cope with it and get on with their lives and dont seek treatment.
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Rhino wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:35am:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 1:55pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 10:15am:
The military doesn't recruit psychopaths - they recruit ordinary people, which is precisely why there is a high percentage of burn-out.

You've forfeited any right to comment with that ridiculous comment.


So, Grappler contends that military personnel are not psychopaths at the time of recruitment.

PTSD rate in the military is only 11-20%. That is not to say there aren't other undiagnosed or unrecognized psychiatric conditions in military personnel.
Diagnosed. I would contend the actual rate of PTSD in frontline combat troops would be around 100 percent. The fact is that most cope with it and get on with their lives and dont seek treatment.


Agreed.

Psychological issue of normal people dealing with abnormal situations, as opposed to psychiatric issues, where it is abnormal people dealing with normal situations.
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Ajax wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 3:14pm:
A war crime is a war crime their is no discrimination on race or colour.

Are we going to bring ourselves down to their level....?!?!

Become the very thing we despise....???




AJAX sums it up.

Two wrongs do not make a right. Just because the enemy exhibits dishonourable Military, Political behaviours in the name of Religion. It does not justify Australian Military personel who think they are 'Special'  Roll Eyes to commit 'similar' behaviours and ...crimes.

Humanity rose above the Animal Kingdom, by NOT acting like an Animal (anymore).

Disgusting behaviour by Australian Troops. We only expect 'grub' behaviour from Military 'Leadership' here and from Political Leadership.
...they must be 'yankees' amongst our ranks  Wink
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Go - tell it to the Spartans..
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Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 6:37am:
Go - tell it to the Spartans..


The Spartans used to 'bugger' their captured enemies.
No wonder the enemy feared to fight them ...you would rather die than be captured.  Grin
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.JaSin. wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 6:47am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 6:37am:
Go - tell it to the Spartans..


The Spartans used to 'bugger' their captured enemies.
No wonder the enemy feared to fight them ...you would rather die than be captured.  Grin


As the doctor said when refusing to treat Vietnamese POWs - that oath was taken at home - not here.

Love to argue all day - but I have a day's travel in front of me.  We'll chew the fat later.
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Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 6:52am:
.JaSin. wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 6:47am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 6:37am:
Go - tell it to the Spartans..


The Spartans used to 'bugger' their captured enemies.
No wonder the enemy feared to fight them ...you would rather die than be captured.  Grin


As the doctor said when refusing to treat Vietnamese POWs - that oath was taken at home - not here.

Love to argue all day - but I have a day's travel in front of me.  We'll chew the fat later.


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.JaSin. wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 6:32am:
Ajax wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 3:14pm:
A war crime is a war crime their is no discrimination on race or colour.

Are we going to bring ourselves down to their level....?!?!

Become the very thing we despise....???




AJAX sums it up.



Two wrongs do not make a right. Just because the enemy exhibits dishonourable Military, Political behaviours in the name of Religion. It does not justify Australian Military personel who think they are 'Special'  Roll Eyes to commit 'similar' behaviours and ...crimes.

Humanity rose above the Animal Kingdom, by NOT acting like an Animal (anymore).

Disgusting behaviour by Australian Troops. We only expect 'grub' behaviour from Military 'Leadership' here and from Political Leadership.
...they must be 'yankees' amongst our ranks  Wink




Sums up a pile of theoretical snowflake bull.

How many allied soldiers committed atrocities during WW2? Thousands? Tens of thousands? More than that? I have recounted here several times, of hearing from the perpetrators as they laughed about what they did to Jap prisoners on Kokoda.

Murders and atrocities were not just from one side. Very often they were acts of retribution after witnessing things that made them stop thinking of the enemy combatants as fellow humans deserving decent treatment at any time, in any way.

Prats sitting around their tellys passing judgement upon such people in such circumstances is obscene. They are too stupid to make such judgement, and too shallow to be able to empathise with what hell these men have been through.

Someone must judge their actions, that we know.
Should it be the public?
Certainly not.
Should it be ultra left ideologue bullies??
Never, ever, for anything, anywhere, anytime.
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.JaSin. wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 6:32am:
Ajax wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 3:14pm:
A war crime is a war crime their is no discrimination on race or colour.

Are we going to bring ourselves down to their level....?!?!

Become the very thing we despise....???




AJAX sums it up.

Two wrongs do not make a right. Just because the enemy exhibits dishonourable Military, Political behaviours in the name of Religion. It does not justify Australian Military personel who think they are 'Special'  Roll Eyes to commit 'similar' behaviours and ...crimes.

Humanity rose above the Animal Kingdom, by NOT acting like an Animal (anymore).

Disgusting behaviour by Australian Troops. We only expect 'grub' behaviour from Military 'Leadership' here and from Political Leadership.
...they must be 'yankees' amongst our ranks  Wink



You may choose to believe that but in all honesty programing the brain to behave a certain way does not remove the blueprint for which that brain is built on. Our factory settings will surface in the face of danger.
We are animals....and in times of "kill or be killed" we will take on our natural animal and tribal instinct.

Our country wraps it's inhabitants in cotton wool. Shite, people don't even have to be accountable for their own actions anymore. You can kill a man in front of his family and the family is programmed to accept this person be locked up and punished with 3 square meals a day, exercise equipment at their ready, a nice warm bed etc etc. Then the person is released after a while and allowed to reoffended......and that is the norm and accepted by the programmed idiots.

Some of the stories you hear from ex service people make you so cranky that you go mental listening to them.
The rules are only there if you get caught....
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There are always many sides to a story.   But my friends this is war, pure and uncensored.  This is not a Hollywood movie where Rambo comes and clean up the evil guys and go home. 

In a lawless country made up of regional warlords, with many alliances - the US, the Taliban etc.  The only language that everyone understand is violence, and after a while, when one is exposed to so much of it, a new level would then be needed.   It is all good for us to sit behind our monitors and criticize the action of our soldiers.   But, when you are constantly exposed to danger, violence, high tempo stress, one tend to make decisions that we don't make otherwise. 

Look there is enough suffering and blood shed already.  In places like Afghanistan, there is not such thing as right or wrong answer, as anything can kill you.  We should instead provide more help for those soldiers to get back to the community.   I can bet that there would be some serious PTSDs with the people involved.
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There are a lot of defenders of war crimes in this string. The same people who condemn atrocities by others excuse the atrocities by the Australian military as trivial matters.

Post WW2 the allies were responsible for the death of 1 million German POWs and millions of German civilians.

I am not aware of any allied troops who were prosecuted for war crimes.
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.JaSin. wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 6:32am:
Ajax wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 3:14pm:
A war crime is a war crime their is no discrimination on race or colour.

Are we going to bring ourselves down to their level....?!?!

Become the very thing we despise....???




AJAX sums it up.

Two wrongs do not make a right. Just because the enemy exhibits dishonourable Military, Political behaviours in the name of Religion. It does not justify Australian Military personel who think they are 'Special'  Roll Eyes to commit 'similar' behaviours and ...crimes.

Humanity rose above the Animal Kingdom, by NOT acting like an Animal (anymore).

Disgusting behaviour by Australian Troops. We only expect 'grub' behaviour from Military 'Leadership' here and from Political Leadership.
...they must be 'yankees' amongst our ranks  Wink



Don't worry the way the ADF is going it will be full of women & nancy boys like you ... who will go in to battle with a tupperware of wet lettuce to slap the enemy. Roll Eyes

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Gnads wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 1:14pm:
.JaSin. wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 6:32am:
Ajax wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 3:14pm:
A war crime is a war crime their is no discrimination on race or colour.

Are we going to bring ourselves down to their level....?!?!

Become the very thing we despise....???




AJAX sums it up.

Two wrongs do not make a right. Just because the enemy exhibits dishonourable Military, Political behaviours in the name of Religion. It does not justify Australian Military personel who think they are 'Special'  Roll Eyes to commit 'similar' behaviours and ...crimes.

Humanity rose above the Animal Kingdom, by NOT acting like an Animal (anymore).

Disgusting behaviour by Australian Troops. We only expect 'grub' behaviour from Military 'Leadership' here and from Political Leadership.
...they must be 'yankees' amongst our ranks  Wink



Don't worry the way the ADF is going it will be full of women & nancy boys like you ... who will go in to battle with a tupperware of wet lettuce to slap the enemy. Roll Eyes



While lip-service patriot Gnads fights the enemies in his head from a horizontal position on his couch.
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There are a lot of defenders of war crimes in this string. The same people who condemn atrocities by others excuse the atrocities by the Australian military as trivial matters.

Post WW2 the allies were responsible for the death of 1 million German POWs and millions of German civilians.

I am not aware of any allied troops who were prosecuted for war crimes.


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Gnads wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 1:18pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 1:13pm:
There are a lot of defenders of war crimes in this string. The same people who condemn atrocities by others excuse the atrocities by the Australian military as trivial matters.

Post WW2 the allies were responsible for the death of 1 million German POWs and millions of German civilians.

I am not aware of any allied troops who were prosecuted for war crimes.


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Unforgiven wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 1:16pm:
Gnads wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 1:14pm:
.JaSin. wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 6:32am:
Ajax wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 3:14pm:
A war crime is a war crime their is no discrimination on race or colour.

Are we going to bring ourselves down to their level....?!?!

Become the very thing we despise....???




AJAX sums it up.

Two wrongs do not make a right. Just because the enemy exhibits dishonourable Military, Political behaviours in the name of Religion. It does not justify Australian Military personel who think they are 'Special'  Roll Eyes to commit 'similar' behaviours and ...crimes.

Humanity rose above the Animal Kingdom, by NOT acting like an Animal (anymore).

Disgusting behaviour by Australian Troops. We only expect 'grub' behaviour from Military 'Leadership' here and from Political Leadership.
...they must be 'yankees' amongst our ranks  Wink



Don't worry the way the ADF is going it will be full of women & nancy boys like you ... who will go in to battle with a tupperware of wet lettuce to slap the enemy. Roll Eyes



While lip-service patriot Gnads fights the enemies in his head from a horizontal position on his couch.


And the only battle you have is to keep your hand off your weiner.
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Gnads wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 1:20pm:
And the only battle you have is to keep your hand off your weiner.


Gnads' personal experience? Thanks for sharing.
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I think the finger was pointed at "you".

No cigar.
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I think the finger was pointed at "you".

No cigar.


Same mistake again Gnads. The processes occurring in your head is not thinking.
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Gnads wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 1:35pm:
I think the finger was pointed at "you".

No cigar.


Same mistake again Gnads. The processes occurring in your head is not thinking.


I bet the midwife slapped your mother in the mouth for dropping a freak like you.......or were you born in the bush under an ant's nest........
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Bobby wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 7:06pm:
Gordon wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 5:44pm:
issuevoter wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 5:25pm:
They should not have been there, in the first place. The Northern Alliance drove the Talibs (Scholars of Mohamed) out of Kabul. So far, so good. All the West needed to do was keep the NA armed, but George Bush needed to look tough with the US electorate after 911. And so Australia got roped into an unwinnable war. The difference between the rare atrocities committed by Australian troops and those committed by the Scholars of Mohamed is that civilised people abhor such conduct and deal with it, while the Scholars use atrocity as their prime strategy, and believe it is ordained by God.


After the 911, the US should have gone in with everything they had and given them 12 months of shock and awe, and killed any fighting age male that smelled like a Taliban, then got out.

As for changing hearts and minds, bugger that. They're culturally stone age. Leave them to their tribal squabbles and just drone strike anything that looks like a threat to western security.




No country ever won a war in Afghanistan.

The Russians proved that & then the silly West got involved.


It's not really all that hard.

Just irradiate the place so nuffink can live there.

Come to think of it, nothing that matters lives there.

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Boy Love Thursday?

When girls and women get a break?

Sanctioned by their religion?

Wonder how many of the Oz SAS saw that culture personally?

Mitigating circumstances if they're charged with atrocities?

And then what do the boys do when they're a little older?  Rape their little brothers on that oh so special Thurs Day?

What would you do if you had a lethal weapon in your  hands and were being paid to use it if you saw some 7 year old boy being raped up against a mud brick wall?
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PZ547 wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:16pm:
Boy Love Thursday?

When girls and women get a break?

Sanctioned by their religion?

Wonder how many of the Oz SAS saw that culture personally?

Mitigating circumstances if they're charged with atrocities?

And then what do the boys do when they're a little older?  Rape their little brothers on that oh so special Thurs Day?

What would you do if you had a lethal weapon in your  hands and were being paid to use it if you saw some 7 year old boy being raped up against a mud brick wall?


PZ547 appears to be having a war in it's head with homosexual pedophilia getting on top of PZ547.

There was no pedophilia in this story.

Even in Australia pedophiles are not executed because the melding of executions with pedophilia excites conservative extremists like PZ547 and it's ilk.
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Reply #77 - Jun 12th, 2018 at 4:09pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 1:18pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 1:13pm:
There are a lot of defenders of war crimes in this string. The same people who condemn atrocities by others excuse the atrocities by the Australian military as trivial matters.

Post WW2 the allies were responsible for the death of 1 million German POWs and millions of German civilians.

I am not aware of any allied troops who were prosecuted for war crimes.


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Oh that it were BS, but sadly, it is not. Forget you not, that Uncle Joe Stalin was one of the allied leaders, and the number of Germans murdered, tortured, and raped, under his direction, was indeed multiple millions. Oh, if only those pesky Russkis could be the sole source of post war barbarism, we could take some moral high ground, but alas, do your own research, and you will find, that US leaders, "FORCED" US soldiers to keep plain old Wermacht soldiers,( NOT SS scum, or filthy death squads, but just soldiers, that the men on the ground knew, were very little different to them), in open fields, behind wire, without shelter, on starvation rations, without following even the most basic rules of the Geneva Convention. Do your own research and find out just how many died in the custody of US and British forces, and get back to us with whether or not you still call BS. Please. Sadly, not our proudest hour.
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There are no rules in war.

Oh, the pathetic cowards sitting in Geneva, who have never got their politician hands dirty, woukd love to set ground rules so that war was less disgusting than it is.

But war is what it is.

Just go and look around the war memorial in Canberra.
The weapons just get nastier and nastier.
The damage these things do is terrible.

One thing the human race has in spades is imagination enough to find more and more disgusting ways to kill and maim each other.

Seriously, if you ever fought in war, watched your mates die at the hands of the enemy and didn't feel the need to destroy them, you would be lying.

I have never fought in war, thank God, but I know I'd want to decimate anyone who was trying to kill me.

All the niceties of rules and such are BULL shite.
Thought up by cowardly politicians who have never fought.

Screw them, fight to win and destroy the target.

When you fumigate for termites, is there any quarter given?
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Reply #79 - Jun 12th, 2018 at 6:19pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:56pm:
PZ547 wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:16pm:
Boy Love Thursday?

When girls and women get a break?

Sanctioned by their religion?

Wonder how many of the Oz SAS saw that culture personally?

Mitigating circumstances if they're charged with atrocities?

And then what do the boys do when they're a little older?  Rape their little brothers on that oh so special Thurs Day?

What would you do if you had a lethal weapon in your  hands and were being paid to use it if you saw some 7 year old boy being raped up against a mud brick wall?


PZ547 appears to be having a war in it's head with homosexual pedophilia getting on top of PZ547.

There was no pedophilia in this story.

Even in Australia pedophiles are not executed because the melding of executions with pedophilia excites conservative extremists like PZ547 and it's ilk.



Motivation re: the allged 'atrocities'

Correct answer to my question: ' What would you do if you had a lethal weapon in your  hands and were being paid to use it if you saw some 7 year old boy being raped up against a mud brick wall?


was:  Shoot them both


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Valkie wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 5:25pm:
There are no rules in war.

Oh, the pathetic cowards sitting in Geneva, who have never got their politician hands dirty, woukd love to set ground rules so that war was less disgusting than it is.

But war is what it is.

Just go and look around the war memorial in Canberra.
The weapons just get nastier and nastier.
The damage these things do is terrible.

One thing the human race has in spades is imagination enough to find more and more disgusting ways to kill and maim each other.

Seriously, if you ever fought in war, watched your mates die at the hands of the enemy and didn't feel the need to destroy them, you would be lying.

I have never fought in war, thank God, but I know I'd want to decimate anyone who was trying to kill me.

All the niceties of rules and such are BULL shite.
Thought up by cowardly politicians who have never fought.

Screw them, fight to win and destroy the target.

When you fumigate for termites, is there any quarter given?



You're correct

What we're seeing is the programming of liberal leftie snowflakes by one faction

running up against the War for Profit faction

Those factions should fight it out, filmed live

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Unforgiven wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 1:45pm:
Gnads wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 1:35pm:
I think the finger was pointed at "you".

No cigar.


Same mistake again Gnads. The processes occurring in your head is not thinking.


According to a dolt like you ... still no cigar.
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Unforgiven wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:56pm:
PZ547 wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:16pm:
Boy Love Thursday?

When girls and women get a break?

Sanctioned by their religion?

Wonder how many of the Oz SAS saw that culture personally?

Mitigating circumstances if they're charged with atrocities?

And then what do the boys do when they're a little older?  Rape their little brothers on that oh so special Thurs Day?

What would you do if you had a lethal weapon in your  hands and were being paid to use it if you saw some 7 year old boy being raped up against a mud brick wall?


PZ547 appears to be having a war in it's head with homosexual pedophilia getting on top of PZ547.

There was no pedophilia in this story.

Even in Australia pedophiles are not executed because the melding of executions with pedophilia excites conservative extremists like PZ547 and it's ilk.


Bacha Bazi should spell it out even for you ... you sick bastard.
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mozzaok wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 4:09pm:
Gnads wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 1:18pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 1:13pm:
There are a lot of defenders of war crimes in this string. The same people who condemn atrocities by others excuse the atrocities by the Australian military as trivial matters.

Post WW2 the allies were responsible for the death of 1 million German POWs and millions of German civilians.

I am not aware of any allied troops who were prosecuted for war crimes.


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Oh that it were BS, but sadly, it is not. Forget you not, that Uncle Joe Stalin was one of the allied leaders, and the number of Germans murdered, tortured, and raped, under his direction, was indeed multiple millions. Oh, if only those pesky Russkis could be the sole source of post war barbarism, we could take some moral high ground, but alas, do your own research, and you will find, that US leaders, "FORCED" US soldiers to keep plain old Wermacht soldiers,( NOT SS scum, or filthy death squads, but just soldiers, that the men on the ground knew, were very little different to them), in open fields, behind wire, without shelter, on starvation rations, without following even the most basic rules of the Geneva Convention. Do your own research and find out just how many died in the custody of US and British forces, and get back to us with whether or not you still call BS. Please. Sadly, not our proudest hour.


Were the Russians really allies?

They had the removal of Germans from their territory at the forefront .. but at the end of the war what did they do?

As for German soldiers dying in detention after the capitulation for one reason or the other ... more was done for them than done for those they imprisoned & murdered in their death camps.
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Reply #84 - Jun 12th, 2018 at 6:57pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 6:42pm:
mozzaok wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 4:09pm:
Gnads wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 1:18pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 1:13pm:
There are a lot of defenders of war crimes in this string. The same people who condemn atrocities by others excuse the atrocities by the Australian military as trivial matters.

Post WW2 the allies were responsible for the death of 1 million German POWs and millions of German civilians.

I am not aware of any allied troops who were prosecuted for war crimes.


Bullshyte  Angry


Oh that it were BS, but sadly, it is not. Forget you not, that Uncle Joe Stalin was one of the allied leaders, and the number of Germans murdered, tortured, and raped, under his direction, was indeed multiple millions. Oh, if only those pesky Russkis could be the sole source of post war barbarism, we could take some moral high ground, but alas, do your own research, and you will find, that US leaders, "FORCED" US soldiers to keep plain old Wermacht soldiers,( NOT SS scum, or filthy death squads, but just soldiers, that the men on the ground knew, were very little different to them), in open fields, behind wire, without shelter, on starvation rations, without following even the most basic rules of the Geneva Convention. Do your own research and find out just how many died in the custody of US and British forces, and get back to us with whether or not you still call BS. Please. Sadly, not our proudest hour.


Were the Russians really allies?

They had the removal of Germans from their territory at the forefront .. but at the end of the war what did they do?

As for German soldiers dying in detention after the capitulation for one reason or the other ... more was done for them than done for those they imprisoned & murdered in their death camps.



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Bullsheet whatever you wish.
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Reply #86 - Jun 12th, 2018 at 9:06pm
 
Even before the surrender of Germany, Eisenhower knew that the supply situation would not be adequate to feed millions of POWs and civilians... there was also a need to identify war criminals and such, including SS murderers, and thus many Wehrmacht etc personnel were held longer than would normally have been the case.

A terrible crime against the West was the deaths of countless POWs in their hands, and I say that even though the supply situation was very bad, there was no real excuse.  Better to have let them go home, wherever that was, and perhaps find some sustenance with family.

Blame Hitler and his thugs for not surrendering sooner, before the dreaded autumn into winter set in..... they should have surrendered after The Bulge, when their last shot was broken, and countless divisions with it, and unconditionally to the Western allies.... regardless of whether or not Ike and Co would accept that without the Russians being involved.

How many German men, women and young men and women did the SS hang or shoot for failing to defend the Fatherland to the last?  If the Wehrmacht had any sense, they'd have turned their guns on the SS and Hitler.
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Reply #87 - Jun 12th, 2018 at 9:16pm
 
.JaSin. wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 7:01am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 6:52am:
.JaSin. wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 6:47am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 6:37am:
Go - tell it to the Spartans..


The Spartans used to 'bugger' their captured enemies.
No wonder the enemy feared to fight them ...you would rather die than be captured.  Grin


As the doctor said when refusing to treat Vietnamese POWs - that oath was taken at home - not here.

Love to argue all day - but I have a day's travel in front of me.  We'll chew the fat later.


Yes - the rules don't apply when Australian troops
INVADE
other countries like
MERCENARIES
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'GROVELLERS'
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Don't blame the troops for the political decisions - they obey ... they have the vote, but no real conscience vote other than being asked if they wish to go.... not many say No and never from Special Forces - it's part of the creed.




ADDS:-  I will say this again - the SASR are not being employed in their proper strategic role, but rather as 'men with sideburns' taking out the 'Taliban infrastructure' in Commando style raids.  They are very capable of this, but it is not really the arena in which they should be employed... in some ways I feel that the Afghanistan experience will be a lot like Northern Ireland and The Falklands for The Regiment... a highly unsatisfactory and costly venture.
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That's total crap Grappler. SAS committed atrocities. There is no political consent for atrocities.
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Unforgiven wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
That's total crap Grappler. SAS committed atrocities. There is no political consent for atrocities.


Accusations and assertions are not facts.
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Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 9:39pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
That's total crap Grappler. SAS committed atrocities. There is no political consent for atrocities.


Accusations and assertions are not facts.


Why do you always deny the truth Grappler? There wouldn't even be an inquiry if it wasn't for the media.

It takes the media to expose crimes of the SAS because the officers are complicit in the coverup.

From the original citation:

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The allegations, which have circulated among insiders for years, have now been corroborated by various sources across the globe during a six-month Fairfax Media investigation.
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Reply #91 - Jun 12th, 2018 at 10:33pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 9:50pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 9:39pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
That's total crap Grappler. SAS committed atrocities. There is no political consent for atrocities.


Accusations and assertions are not facts.


Why do you always deny the truth Grappler? There wouldn't even be an inquiry if it wasn't for the media.

It takes the media to expose crimes of the SAS because the officers are complicit in the coverup.

From the original citation:

Quote:
The allegations, which have circulated among insiders for years, have now been corroborated by various sources across the globe during a six-month Fairfax Media investigation.


Yeah, well that's brilliant, Rube - the allegations have been corroborated by whom exactly?  A Fairfax investigation?

What constitutes this corroboration?  What is involved in it and how viable is it?  How will it stand up to examination?

Stop jumping ahead of yourself while playing one man leap-frog.


ADDS:-  For those who claim to be 'liberal' and to have a 'liberal' education - there are an amazing number of the same who leap to condemn on accusation without reference to fact, and to accord absolute right to be innocent until proven guilty beyond ANY reasonable doubt as only the 'right' of some 'oppressed' social group, such as women, Muslims and similar, and Indigenous. 

I suppose those who throw out that line are some kind of Antifa.   Roll Eyes
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Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 10:33pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 9:50pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 9:39pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
That's total crap Grappler. SAS committed atrocities. There is no political consent for atrocities.


Accusations and assertions are not facts.


Why do you always deny the truth Grappler? There wouldn't even be an inquiry if it wasn't for the media.

It takes the media to expose crimes of the SAS because the officers are complicit in the coverup.

From the original citation:

Quote:
The allegations, which have circulated among insiders for years, have now been corroborated by various sources across the globe during a six-month Fairfax Media investigation.


Yeah, well that's brilliant, Rube - the allegations have been corroborated by whom exactly?  A Fairfax investigation?

What constitutes this corroboration?  What is involved in it and how viable is it?  How will it stand up to examination?

Stop jumping ahead of yourself while playing one man leap-frog.


ADDS:-  For those who claim to be 'liberal' and to have a 'liberal' education - there are an amazing number of the same who leap to condemn on accusation without reference to fact, and to accord absolute right to be innocent until proven guilty beyond ANY reasonable doubt as only the 'right' of some 'oppressed' social group, such as women, Muslims and similar, and Indigenous. 

I suppose those who throw out that line are some kind of Antifa.   Roll Eyes


Corroborated by various sources across the globe. That implies Afghan witnesses.

There is also a dead Afghan's prosthetic leg that the SAS are using as a drinking vessel.

The lady doth protest too much methinks.
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Reply #93 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 1:05am
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 10:33pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 9:50pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 9:39pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
That's total crap Grappler. SAS committed atrocities. There is no political consent for atrocities.


Accusations and assertions are not facts.


Why do you always deny the truth Grappler? There wouldn't even be an inquiry if it wasn't for the media.

It takes the media to expose crimes of the SAS because the officers are complicit in the coverup.

From the original citation:

Quote:
The allegations, which have circulated among insiders for years, have now been corroborated by various sources across the globe during a six-month Fairfax Media investigation.


Yeah, well that's brilliant, Rube - the allegations have been corroborated by whom exactly?  A Fairfax investigation?

What constitutes this corroboration?  What is involved in it and how viable is it?  How will it stand up to examination?

Stop jumping ahead of yourself while playing one man leap-frog.


ADDS:-  For those who claim to be 'liberal' and to have a 'liberal' education - there are an amazing number of the same who leap to condemn on accusation without reference to fact, and to accord absolute right to be innocent until proven guilty beyond ANY reasonable doubt as only the 'right' of some 'oppressed' social group, such as women, Muslims and similar, and Indigenous. 

I suppose those who throw out that line are some kind of Antifa.   Roll Eyes
You yourself condemn police officers without proof, glass houses.
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Reply #94 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 2:52am
 
Rhino wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 1:05am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 10:33pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 9:50pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 9:39pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
That's total crap Grappler. SAS committed atrocities. There is no political consent for atrocities.


Accusations and assertions are not facts.


Why do you always deny the truth Grappler? There wouldn't even be an inquiry if it wasn't for the media.

It takes the media to expose crimes of the SAS because the officers are complicit in the coverup.

From the original citation:

Quote:
The allegations, which have circulated among insiders for years, have now been corroborated by various sources across the globe during a six-month Fairfax Media investigation.


Yeah, well that's brilliant, Rube - the allegations have been corroborated by whom exactly?  A Fairfax investigation?

What constitutes this corroboration?  What is involved in it and how viable is it?  How will it stand up to examination?

Stop jumping ahead of yourself while playing one man leap-frog.


ADDS:-  For those who claim to be 'liberal' and to have a 'liberal' education - there are an amazing number of the same who leap to condemn on accusation without reference to fact, and to accord absolute right to be innocent until proven guilty beyond ANY reasonable doubt as only the 'right' of some 'oppressed' social group, such as women, Muslims and similar, and Indigenous. 

I suppose those who throw out that line are some kind of Antifa.   Roll Eyes
You yourself condemn police officers without proof, glass houses.


Where did I say all police officers?  My uncle was a very senior police officer in what was the crime capital of NSW, and he was held to be 'the honest cop' by both the police force and all those with whom he ever came in contact.

Every decent police officer should rightfully condemn any wrongdoer.... and in view of the honour of the position ... especially wrongdoers amongst his/her own.

Police culture has got to be dismantled, lest we run the risk of another NAZI state, or one in which the rule of law has broken down entirely and people are convicted on accusation, rather than on provable facts.

Can you argue that all honest police would not be best served by an honest force?  Or would you rather that remorseless and dishonest psychopaths rule the roost?
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Reply #95 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 12:46pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 6:42pm:
mozzaok wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 4:09pm:
Gnads wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 1:18pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 1:13pm:
There are a lot of defenders of war crimes in this string. The same people who condemn atrocities by others excuse the atrocities by the Australian military as trivial matters.

Post WW2 the allies were responsible for the death of 1 million German POWs and millions of German civilians.

I am not aware of any allied troops who were prosecuted for war crimes.


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Oh that it were BS, but sadly, it is not. Forget you not, that Uncle Joe Stalin was one of the allied leaders, and the number of Germans murdered, tortured, and raped, under his direction, was indeed multiple millions. Oh, if only those pesky Russkis could be the sole source of post war barbarism, we could take some moral high ground, but alas, do your own research, and you will find, that US leaders, "FORCED" US soldiers to keep plain old Wermacht soldiers,( NOT SS scum, or filthy death squads, but just soldiers, that the men on the ground knew, were very little different to them), in open fields, behind wire, without shelter, on starvation rations, without following even the most basic rules of the Geneva Convention. Do your own research and find out just how many died in the custody of US and British forces, and get back to us with whether or not you still call BS. Please. Sadly, not our proudest hour.


Were the Russians really allies?

They had the removal of Germans from their territory at the forefront .. but at the end of the war what did they do?

As for German soldiers dying in detention after the capitulation for one reason or the other ... more was done for them than done for those they imprisoned & murdered in their death camps.


Actually, NO IT WASN'T.


As far as war just getting dirtier and more horrible, as crazyone-B23 said( I try not to personally engage with the absolute loons on here), that is also false.
WW1 was the height of barbaric horror at the behest of the directors, with the gas attacks.
After that it was agreed that chemical and biological weapons would not be used.

Crazy old Hitler, who everybody loves to call the monster of monsters, did not deploy nerve gas or anthrax or the other worse things at his disposal, in a last ditch effort to save the day.
Watch the Jeremy Clarkson doco about his father in laws WW2 exploits, and how after days of torrid fighting, surrounded and outnumbered by the Wermacht(that is the name of the regular German Army, you know the millions who were just soldiers, doing what they were ordered, like the poor sods on the other sides) the allies were in a bad way. The germans called a truce, and offered the allies a day off fighting, to evacuate their wounded, and bury their dead. Sound like the nazi fanatics of hollywood legend?
WW2 had some very barbaric acts, but the fire bombing of dresden, and the atomic bombs on japan were right up there for pretty freakin terrible. Not a lot of lily whites to be found.

Seeing the disingenuous scum from the press, seeking to demonise guys who have had to endure more than a poorly stocked mini bar when away on assignment, does not fill me with glee, and the pricks lining up to stick the boot in would be the first to scream "shoot him, shoot him, shoot him now" {a la Daffy Duck}), if ever a Taliban, or Terrorist got anywhere near them.

So whilst rules of engagement need to be as humane as possible, you cannot release a Tiger and then bitch and moan when it scratches.
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Article written by former SASR trooper in response to recent allegations against the Regiment
Thursday, 14 June 2018
The writer wants to remain anonymous, the way the SAS likes things. 
He served 14 years in the ADF, 9 years as a Royal Australian Regiment infantryman and 5 years with the Special Air Service Regiment.

The Special Air Service Regiment seeks out and destroys Australia’s most dangerous enemies.
It targets the leaders of terror organisations who are shielded by suicidal, heavily armed Jihadis embedded amongst co-operative “civilians”.
Our enemies don’t like us and they do their best to kill us with no moral restraint and complete impunity.  The Mujahideen don’t have much use for a Human Rights Commission.
The SAS cannot fight enemies like that by adhering to normal Western moral standards. If we did, it would be leveraged as a weakness by the enemy.  We have to keep them guessing about our limits.  I wouldn’t deploy if I was working with blokes who operated like predictable Mr Nice Guys.
The ADF is currently conducting a full-blown enquiry into "rumours of possible breaches of the laws of armed conflict” by Australian special forces in Afghanistan.  We are alleged to have operated with “disregard for human life and dignity”.  Fair enough.  I don’t know one bloke I served with who has a high regard for the lives of terrorists.  There’s nothing dignified about IEDs and their fighting methods either.
We are not sent out to deliver a personal dignity entitlement to our enemies.  We go out to kill them.
Right now the Chief of Defence Force is doing immense damage to our troops deployed in Afghanistan.
Australian taxpayers are paying for ads in the Afghani press encouraging Afghanis to dob in Australian troops for war crimes. How idiotic is that?  What a propaganda gold mine;  and you can be certain the enemy will be using it against us.
The Australian enquiry will receive heaps of responses from the enemy, let’s face it they are embedded among the local Afghans.
And what will it achieve?  How do you think Australian troops will respond to allegations against them from the enemy? This might be difficult for outsiders to hear, but even if boundaries have been overstepped, unless the entire patrol turned on each other there will be little chance of any evidence to support any claims made by the enemy or Afghan civilians.
SAS troops obey orders.  We go where we’re ordered to go and act as we’re ordered to act.  There’s no allegations that I know of that say SAS troops have failed to obey orders.  Whatever’s been done has been the work of a highly disciplined team of professional, accountable soldiers operating within their own internal chain of command - and that goes all the way to the top.  Smiling politicians are always on hand to get their photo taken and congratulate us on our results.  Well God help any ADF leadership that tries to hang a few young troopers out to dry.
So what are we stuck with?
•   A bombardment of allegations that will ALL have to be investigated at taxpayer expense.
•   SAS unit members taken away from their duties to “help” the investigation and for interviews with investigators.
•   The usual bags of tax payers money given to the enemy in compensation for alleged wrongdoing by us - even if unproven
•   SAS tactics and operational security compromised by our own Government and Defence force due to a call for an open investigation and for transparency from left wing journalists to mention a few.
•   Resentments amongst the SAS members and as is common practice much more secrecy, which is a certainty at the grass root levels.
The ADF’s investigation into the rumours has already been leaked to Fairfax and the ABC who've made the leaked material public.
As a result of Fairfax and the ABC’s reports, the Russians have now joined in to make life more difficult for us in the field. 
On Saturday the Russian Foreign Ministry issued a statement about “The crimes committed by Australian troops in Afghanistan”.
Using the ABC and Fairfax’s reports, the Russian statement said Australians have engaged in “systematic, unauthorized and groundless use of weapons, particularly against  civilians.”  It quotes the ABC as the source for “shocking facts about cold-blooded murders committed by Australian soldiers in Afghanistan”.
Total bullshit, created by our taxpayer funded broadcaster to be used by our enemies against us. 
The ABC is always going on about Russia and scandals.  Looks like they've made one of their own.
There are plenty of problems in Australian society.
There is definitely a problem in the ADF. 
But it’s not the war fighters.   
It’s our leadership and the tone they set - from the PM down.
Signed, John Anon


Stick that in your traitorous piehole Un4.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #97 - Jun 19th, 2018 at 9:30pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jun 19th, 2018 at 8:35pm:
Stick that in your traitorous piehole Un4.


It appears to be a guilty plea by the author.
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Seems you wouldn't know your ahole from your elbow.
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