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Gnads wrote on Jun 12 th, 2018 at 6:42pm: mozzaok wrote on Jun 12 th, 2018 at 4:09pm: Gnads wrote on Jun 12 th, 2018 at 1:18pm: Unforgiven wrote on Jun 12 th, 2018 at 1:13pm: There are a lot of defenders of war crimes in this string. The same people who condemn atrocities by others excuse the atrocities by the Australian military as trivial matters.
Post WW2 the allies were responsible for the death of 1 million German POWs and millions of German civilians.
I am not aware of any allied troops who were prosecuted for war crimes. Bullshyte Oh that it were BS, but sadly, it is not. Forget you not, that Uncle Joe Stalin was one of the allied leaders, and the number of Germans murdered, tortured, and raped, under his direction, was indeed multiple millions. Oh, if only those pesky Russkis could be the sole source of post war barbarism, we could take some moral high ground, but alas, do your own research, and you will find, that US leaders, "FORCED" US soldiers to keep plain old Wermacht soldiers,( NOT SS scum, or filthy death squads, but just soldiers, that the men on the ground knew, were very little different to them), in open fields, behind wire, without shelter, on starvation rations, without following even the most basic rules of the Geneva Convention. Do your own research and find out just how many died in the custody of US and British forces, and get back to us with whether or not you still call BS. Please. Sadly, not our proudest hour. Were the Russians really allies? They had the removal of Germans from their territory at the forefront .. but at the end of the war what did they do? As for German soldiers dying in detention after the capitulation for one reason or the other ... more was done for them than done for those they imprisoned & murdered in their death camps. Actually, NO IT WASN'T. As far as war just getting dirtier and more horrible, as crazyone-B23 said( I try not to personally engage with the absolute loons on here), that is also false. WW1 was the height of barbaric horror at the behest of the directors, with the gas attacks. After that it was agreed that chemical and biological weapons would not be used. Crazy old Hitler, who everybody loves to call the monster of monsters, did not deploy nerve gas or anthrax or the other worse things at his disposal, in a last ditch effort to save the day. Watch the Jeremy Clarkson doco about his father in laws WW2 exploits, and how after days of torrid fighting, surrounded and outnumbered by the Wermacht(that is the name of the regular German Army, you know the millions who were just soldiers, doing what they were ordered, like the poor sods on the other sides) the allies were in a bad way. The germans called a truce, and offered the allies a day off fighting, to evacuate their wounded, and bury their dead. Sound like the nazi fanatics of hollywood legend? WW2 had some very barbaric acts, but the fire bombing of dresden, and the atomic bombs on japan were right up there for pretty freakin terrible. Not a lot of lily whites to be found. Seeing the disingenuous scum from the press, seeking to demonise guys who have had to endure more than a poorly stocked mini bar when away on assignment, does not fill me with glee, and the pricks lining up to stick the boot in would be the first to scream "shoot him, shoot him, shoot him now" {a la Daffy Duck}), if ever a Taliban, or Terrorist got anywhere near them. So whilst rules of engagement need to be as humane as possible, you cannot release a Tiger and then bitch and moan when it scratches.
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