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Australian SAS committed atrocities in Afghanistan
Jun 10th, 2018 at 2:17pm
 
Let us hope the officers who knew of the atrocities and covered them up are exposed and punished.

No doubt that Grappler will use this opportunity to publish one of his fantasy anecdotes to defend the indefensible.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/federal/special-forces-rookie-blooded-...

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Special forces rookie 'blooded' by executing an unarmed man
By Chris Masters & Nick McKenzie
9 June 2018

A Special Air Service Regiment trooper on his first deployment to Afghanistan was pressured to execute an elderly, unarmed detainee by fellow higher-ranking soldiers as part of a "blooding" ritual, according to defence insiders who were witnesses at the scene.

And on the same mission, another man with a prosthetic leg was killed by machine-gun fire. His plastic leg was souvenired and later taken back to SAS headquarters in Perth to be used as a novelty beer drinking vessel.


The summary execution of the elderly detainee on Easter Sunday, 2009, is one of several incidents involving a rogue SASR team operating in Afghanistan which has been uncovered by a Fairfax Media investigation and corroborated by special forces insiders.

The grey-haired, bearded Afghan man executed by the "rookie" was, according to some SASR members, a suspected Taliban member, but at the time presented no threat to Australian soldiers. The newly deployed soldier allegedly shot the man after being prompted by two more senior soldiers, one of whom was earlier overheard proclaiming a need to "blood the rookie".

One of the sources said the killing was less abhorrent than the pressuring.

"If poo needs to be done, do it yourself," the soldier said.

SASR sources claim the man with the prosthetic leg was machine-gunned by a soldier that, for legal reasons, Fairfax Media will call "Leonidas".

Leonidas is also implicated in the killing of a detainee three years later in September 2012 during a SASR mission in the village of Darwan. Leonidas allegedly kicked handcuffed detainee Ali Jan off the edge of a small cliff, badly injuring his face, according to claims of two defence force insiders who witnessed the event.

As the detainee lay injured, hands still bound, the two witnesses say Leonidas was party to the decision among soldiers to “get him out of his misery”. The claims have been backed by the relatives of  Ali Jan who were interviewed this week by an Afghan journalist on assignment with Fairfax Media.

The allegations, which have circulated among insiders for years, have now been corroborated by various sources across the globe during a six-month Fairfax Media investigation.

They are likely to be central to inquiries commenced two years ago by the Inspector-General of the Australian Defence Force, assisted by NSW Supreme Court Judge, Major-General Paul Brereton.

The IGADF inquiry was commissioned by then chief of army, Lieutenant-General Angus Campbell (soon to be become chief of the Defence Force) following a scoping study instigated by then special forces commander, Major General Jeff Sengelman, and conducted by Dr Samantha Crompvoets.

At the time, General Sengelman took what must have been an unpopular stand among some of his peers by lifting the lid on the secrets of the SASR, but also raising questions about command failure.

Dr Crompvoets’ report came to detail "unsanctioned and illegal application of violence on operations" and a "complete lack of accountability" involving Australia’s elite special forces. The main combat elements of Australian Special Forces are the Special Air Service Regiment and the Commandos.

Observers say Australia’s longest war was allowed to bleed on, desensitising special forces operators engaged in too many deployments. Over time, the secretive status of special forces generated a culture allowing mateship to overwhelm accountability.

The IGADF inquiry into "rumours of the possible breaches of the Laws of Armed Conflict" parallels an International Criminal Court investigation into alleged atrocities committed in Afghanistan by Taliban, militants and coalition forces.

The ICC’s interest is likely to be one reason the ADF wants to stay ahead of the curve for the sake of its international reputation.

Ms Crompvoets' report describes "enormous and difficult challenges" facing the Australian government in combating rogue actions by soldiers, warning the misconduct goes "well beyond blowing off steam" and involves "problems deeply embedded in the culture of the special forces".

In a statement, the Defence Force said the ongoing inquiry by Justice Brereton would make "recommendations" about how to deal with any substantiated allegations of war crimes.

"The IGADF Afghanistan Inquiry has, for some time, been aware of allegations of significant issues involving the Special Operations Task Group in Afghanistan, which are within the scope of the Inquiry ...
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Reply #1 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 2:52pm
 
I had a ham sandwich for lunch.
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Reply #2 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 2:52pm
 
And of course the freaks they were fighting were soooooo
Honest
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Just and of course

Woukd never have done anything close to an atrocity.

When fighting against a foe who has no rules.
One must throw the rule book out the window.
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Reply #3 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 2:56pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 2:52pm:
And of course the freaks they were fighting were soooooo
Honest
Fair
Moral
Just and of course

Woukd never have done anything close to an atrocity.

When fighting against a foe who has no rules.
One must throw the rule book out the window.


The Taliban used to force kids to walk in front of them to clear a path thu mine fields.

Also stories about how a father used to get his daughter to walk in front of the goat because a goat is more valuable than a female child.

Revolting culture.


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Reply #4 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 2:58pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 2:56pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 2:52pm:
And of course the freaks they were fighting were soooooo
Honest
Fair
Moral
Just and of course

Woukd never have done anything close to an atrocity.

When fighting against a foe who has no rules.
One must throw the rule book out the window.


The Taliban used to force kids to walk in front of them to clear a path thu mine fields.

Also stories about how a father used to get his daughter to walk in front of the goat because a goat is more valuable than a female child.

Revolting culture.




Culture?
Sorry, I don't consider it a culture, it's simply a collection of perverted, primitive animals.

And this CULT is worse than anything ever devised by anyone.
Makes Hitler look good by comparison.
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Reply #5 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 2:59pm
 
Every human has a conscious and for whatever reason they may have done what they did, they will never be the same person again.

They will need help to get over their actions and if it was a war crime then they should be prosecuted accordingly.
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Reply #6 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 3:02pm
 
And these Afghanistani fighters woukd never consider torturing their captives.

Never a thought further from their tiny pointed and rather empty heads.

Yeah right, wink wink, nudge, nudge.
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Reply #7 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 3:14pm
 
A war crime is a war crime their is no discrimination on race or colour.

Are we going to bring ourselves down to their level....?!?!

Become the very thing we despise....???



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Reply #8 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:21pm
 
Seems par for course for the SAS since '65.
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Reply #9 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:29pm
 
Ajax wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 3:14pm:
A war crime is a war crime their is no discrimination on race or colour.

Are we going to bring ourselves down to their level....?!?!

Become the very thing we despise....???





If you get into a fight and your opponent starts cheating.
And you know he is going to beat you to a pulp if you continue to fight fair.

You have two choices.
Get beaten to a pulp by an immoral and cheating creep.
Or
Start using his own tactics against him and beat him to a pulp.

Why fight with one hand behind your back?
Fight to win, regardless of the means or methods.
Fair fights are for competition and games.

My old man used to say.
The only fair fight is the one you win, no matter what it takes to win.
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Reply #10 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 5:58pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:29pm:
Ajax wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 3:14pm:
A war crime is a war crime their is no discrimination on race or colour.

Are we going to bring ourselves down to their level....?!?!

Become the very thing we despise....???





If you get into a fight and your opponent starts cheating.
And you know he is going to beat you to a pulp if you continue to fight fair.

You have two choices.
Get beaten to a pulp by an immoral and cheating creep.
Or
Start using his own tactics against him and beat him to a pulp.

Why fight with one hand behind your back?
Fight to win, regardless of the means or methods.
Fair fights are for competition and games.

My old man used to say.
The only fair fight is the one you win, no matter what it takes to win.


Fair enough but if I knock him to the ground and he can no longer continue, I'm not going to kick him in the head.

Although he might of if I was on the ground.
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Reply #11 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 6:07pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 2:17pm:
Let us hope the officers who knew of the atrocities and covered them up are exposed and punished.

No doubt that Grappler will use this opportunity to publish one of his fantasy anecdotes to defend the indefensible.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/federal/special-forces-rookie-blooded-...

Quote:
Special forces rookie 'blooded' by executing an unarmed man
By Chris Masters & Nick McKenzie
9 June 2018

A Special Air Service Regiment trooper on his first deployment to Afghanistan was pressured to execute an elderly, unarmed detainee by fellow higher-ranking soldiers as part of a "blooding" ritual, according to defence insiders who were witnesses at the scene.

And on the same mission, another man with a prosthetic leg was killed by machine-gun fire. His plastic leg was souvenired and later taken back to SAS headquarters in Perth to be used as a novelty beer drinking vessel.


The summary execution of the elderly detainee on Easter Sunday, 2009, is one of several incidents involving a rogue SASR team operating in Afghanistan which has been uncovered by a Fairfax Media investigation and corroborated by special forces insiders.

The grey-haired, bearded Afghan man executed by the "rookie" was, according to some SASR members, a suspected Taliban member, but at the time presented no threat to Australian soldiers. The newly deployed soldier allegedly shot the man after being prompted by two more senior soldiers, one of whom was earlier overheard proclaiming a need to "blood the rookie".

One of the sources said the killing was less abhorrent than the pressuring.

"If poo needs to be done, do it yourself," the soldier said.

SASR sources claim the man with the prosthetic leg was machine-gunned by a soldier that, for legal reasons, Fairfax Media will call "Leonidas".

Leonidas is also implicated in the killing of a detainee three years later in September 2012 during a SASR mission in the village of Darwan. Leonidas allegedly kicked handcuffed detainee Ali Jan off the edge of a small cliff, badly injuring his face, according to claims of two defence force insiders who witnessed the event.

As the detainee lay injured, hands still bound, the two witnesses say Leonidas was party to the decision among soldiers to “get him out of his misery”. The claims have been backed by the relatives of  Ali Jan who were interviewed this week by an Afghan journalist on assignment with Fairfax Media.

The allegations, which have circulated among insiders for years, have now been corroborated by various sources across the globe during a six-month Fairfax Media investigation.

They are likely to be central to inquiries commenced two years ago by the Inspector-General of the Australian Defence Force, assisted by NSW Supreme Court Judge, Major-General Paul Brereton.

The IGADF inquiry was commissioned by then chief of army, Lieutenant-General Angus Campbell (soon to be become chief of the Defence Force) following a scoping study instigated by then special forces commander, Major General Jeff Sengelman, and conducted by Dr Samantha Crompvoets.

At the time, General Sengelman took what must have been an unpopular stand among some of his peers by lifting the lid on the secrets of the SASR, but also raising questions about command failure.

Dr Crompvoets’ report came to detail "unsanctioned and illegal application of violence on operations" and a "complete lack of accountability" involving Australia’s elite special forces. The main combat elements of Australian Special Forces are the Special Air Service Regiment and the Commandos.

Observers say Australia’s longest war was allowed to bleed on, desensitising special forces operators engaged in too many deployments. Over time, the secretive status of special forces generated a culture allowing mateship to overwhelm accountability.

The IGADF inquiry into "rumours of the possible breaches of the Laws of Armed Conflict" parallels an International Criminal Court investigation into alleged atrocities committed in Afghanistan by Taliban, militants and coalition forces.

The ICC’s interest is likely to be one reason the ADF wants to stay ahead of the curve for the sake of its international reputation.

Ms Crompvoets' report describes "enormous and difficult challenges" facing the Australian government in combating rogue actions by soldiers, warning the misconduct goes "well beyond blowing off steam" and involves "problems deeply embedded in the culture of the special forces".

In a statement, the Defence Force said the ongoing inquiry by Justice Brereton would make "recommendations" about how to deal with any substantiated allegations of war crimes.

"The IGADF Afghanistan Inquiry has, for some time, been aware of allegations of significant issues involving the Special Operations Task Group in Afghanistan, which are within the scope of the Inquiry ...



Plain & simple you are just a worthless grub.  Angry
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Reply #12 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 6:09pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 2:52pm:
And of course the freaks they were fighting were soooooo
Honest
Fair
Moral
Just and of course

Woukd never have done anything close to an atrocity.

When fighting against a foe who has no rules.
One must throw the rule book out the window
.


One could only wonder why Unfor hasn't even got the nous to comprehend that fact.
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Reply #13 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 6:11pm
 
So far just unsubstantiated claims...
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Reply #14 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 6:13pm
 
Ajax wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 5:58pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:29pm:
Ajax wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 3:14pm:
A war crime is a war crime their is no discrimination on race or colour.

Are we going to bring ourselves down to their level....?!?!

Become the very thing we despise....???





If you get into a fight and your opponent starts cheating.
And you know he is going to beat you to a pulp if you continue to fight fair.

You have two choices.
Get beaten to a pulp by an immoral and cheating creep.
Or
Start using his own tactics against him and beat him to a pulp.

Why fight with one hand behind your back?
Fight to win, regardless of the means or methods.
Fair fights are for competition and games.

My old man used to say.
The only fair fight is the one you win, no matter what it takes to win.


Fair enough but if I knock him to the ground and he can no longer continue, I'm not going to kick him in the head.

Although he might of if I was on the ground.



That's why you're here & they're over there.

Rule 1.  There are no rules.

Rule 2.  No poofters  Wink
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