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Re: Its just Islamophobia
Reply #15 - Jun 25th, 2018 at 2:29pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 24th, 2018 at 10:09pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24th, 2018 at 6:51pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 24th, 2018 at 6:45pm:
If a Muslim abandons his religion, kill him.


And the source for that quote is, FD?   Mmmmm?   Roll Eyes


Muhammad, as far as I know.


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Reply #16 - Jun 25th, 2018 at 5:40pm
 
Apostasy corruption and hypocrisy is being practiced by these women, why can't the muzzies torture and kill them?

Or are the verses which call for their demise, all talking about an inner peaceful spiritual struggle as well?



qur'an 5.32: Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

qur'an 5.33: Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,


qur'an 2.8: And of the people are some who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day," but they are not believers.

qur'an 2.10: In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie.

qur'an 2.11: And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."

qur'an 2.12: Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not.

qur'an 4.88: What is [the matter] with you [that you are] two groups concerning the hypocrites, while Allah has made them fall back [into error and disbelief] for what they earned. Do you wish to guide those whom Allah has sent astray? And he whom Allah sends astray - never will you find for him a way [of guidance].

qur'an 4.89: They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.
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Reply #17 - Jun 25th, 2018 at 5:54pm
 
No one has to tolerate anything that spawns world wide terrorism.

The global top 24 listed terrorist groups, are all devout followers of ???
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Reply #18 - Jun 25th, 2018 at 5:54pm
 
Christianity has similar condemnations in The Bible against apostasy.

Hebrews 6:4-8      

For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. read more.
Matthew 13:20-21      

"The one on whom seed was sown on the rocky places, this is the man who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no firm root in himself, but is only temporary, and when affliction or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he falls away.
Mark 4:16-17      

"In a similar way these are the ones on whom seed was sown on the rocky places, who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with joy; and they have no firm root in themselves, but are only temporary; then, when affliction or persecution arises because of the word, immediately they fall away.
Luke 8:13      
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"Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away.
Matthew 26:14-16      

Then one of the twelve, named Judas Iscariot, went to the chief priests and said, "What are you willing to give me to betray Him to you?" And they weighed out thirty pieces of silver to him. From then on he began looking for a good opportunity to betray Jesus.
Mark 14:10-11      

Then Judas Iscariot, who was one of the twelve, went off to the chief priests in order to betray Him to them. They were glad when they heard this, and promised to give him money. And he began seeking how to betray Him at an opportune time.
Matthew 24:10-12      

"At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. "Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. "Because lawlessness is increased, most people's love will grow cold.
Hebrews 10:26-31      

For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. read more.
Galatians 1:6      
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I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;
Luke 22:3-6      

And Satan entered into Judas who was called Iscariot, belonging to the number of the twelve. And he went away and discussed with the chief priests and officers how he might betray Him to them. They were glad and agreed to give him money. read more.
Matthew 10:33      
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"But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.
Luke 13:26-27      

"Then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets'; and He will say, 'I tell you, I do not know where you are from; DEPART FROM ME, ALL YOU EVILDOERS.'
2 Thessalonians 2:3      
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Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
Mark 8:38      
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"For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels."
2 Timothy 4:3-4      

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
Luke 12:9      
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but he who denies Me before men will be denied before the angels of God.
1 Timothy 4:1      
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But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
John 15:6      
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"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.
1 John 2:19      
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They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.
2 Timothy 2:12      
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If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us;
Hebrews 3:12      
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Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God.
2 Peter 3:17      
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You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness,
Deuteronomy 13:1-11      

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Re: Its just Islamophobia
Reply #19 - Jun 25th, 2018 at 6:02pm
 
We really need the ones where Christ said to torture and kill them.

After all that's what we are discussing.

Oh that's right there aren't any, silly me I was thinking of the crap muhammad sprouted.
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Reply #20 - Jun 25th, 2018 at 6:02pm
 
Further condemnation of Apostasy from The Bible:

Deuteronomy 13:1-11      

"If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, 'Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,' you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the LORD your God is testing you to find out if you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. read more.
2 Samuel 7:15      
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but My lovingkindness shall not depart from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you.
2 Chronicles 26:16-21      

But when he became strong, his heart was so proud that he acted corruptly, and he was unfaithful to the LORD his God, for he entered the temple of the LORD to burn incense on the altar of incense. Then Azariah the priest entered after him and with him eighty priests of the LORD, valiant men. They opposed Uzziah the king and said to him, "It is not for you, Uzziah, to burn incense to the LORD, but for the priests, the sons of Aaron who are consecrated to burn incense. Get out of the sanctuary, for you have been unfaithful and will have no honor from the LORD God." read more.
John 6:66      
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As a result of this many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore.
Acts 5:1-11      

But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, and kept back some of the price for himself, with his wife's full knowledge, and bringing a portion of it, he laid it at the apostles' feet. But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? read more.
1 Timothy 1:19-20      

keeping faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith. Among these are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan, so that they will be taught not to blaspheme.
Titus 1:16      
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They profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed.
2 Timothy 4:10      
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for Demas, having loved this present world, has deserted me and gone to Thessalonica; Crescens has gone to Galatia, Titus to Dalmatia.
2 Peter 2:1-3      

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
2 Peter 2:10-15      

and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties, whereas angels who are greater in might and power do not bring a reviling judgment against them before the Lord. But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed, read more.
2 Peter 2:20-22      

For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them. It has happened to them according to the true proverb, "A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT," and, "A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire."
Jude 1:4      
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For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
Jude 1:8-16      

Yet in the same way these men, also by dreaming, defile the flesh, and reject authority, and revile angelic majesties. But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" But these men revile the things which they do not understand; and the things which they know by instinct, like unreasoning animals, by these things they are destroyed. read more.
Revelation 2:20-22      

'But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray so that they commit acts of immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 'I gave her time to repent, and she does not want to repent of her immorality. 'Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds.
1 Samuel 15:11      
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1 Samuel 15:11      

"I regret that I have made Saul king, for he has turned back from following Me and has not carried out My commands " And Samuel was distressed and cried out to the LORD all night.
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Reply #21 - Jun 25th, 2018 at 6:08pm
 
Holy jumpin jehosefant  all them verses and not one from Christ that says to torture and kill them.

Just goes to show how silly the apologists are, it was muhammad who said to torture and kill apostates / corrupters / hypocrites etc.
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Reply #22 - Jun 25th, 2018 at 6:29pm
 
moses wrote on Jun 25th, 2018 at 6:08pm:
Holy jumpin jehosefant  all them verses and not one from Christ that says to torture and kill them.

Just goes to show how silly the apologists are, it was muhammad who said to torture and kill apostates / corrupters / hypocrites etc.


So, where is the instruction to torture anyone?   "Kill" I'll accept but where is the instruction to "torture" anybody?  Adding bullshit, Moses?   Oh, dear what does that suggest about your supposed honesty?   Forgotten the ninth commandment?  Thou shall not bear false witness!
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Reply #23 - Jun 25th, 2018 at 9:21pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25th, 2018 at 2:29pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 24th, 2018 at 10:09pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24th, 2018 at 6:51pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 24th, 2018 at 6:45pm:
If a Muslim abandons his religion, kill him.


And the source for that quote is, FD?   Mmmmm?   Roll Eyes


Muhammad, as far as I know.


Really?  According to whom, FD?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


According to Muslims Brian.
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Reply #24 - Jun 26th, 2018 at 1:21pm
 
Brian Ross, apologist for islamic terrorism wrote: Reply #22 - Yesterday at 6:29pm

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So, where is the instruction to torture anyone?   "Kill" I'll accept but where is the instruction to "torture" anybody?  Adding bullshit, Moses?   Oh, dear what does that suggest about your supposed honesty?   Forgotten the ninth commandment?  Thou shall not bear false witness!


qur'an 5.32: Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

qur'an 5.33: Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

Oh gee  now the apologists are saying that crucifying, cutting off hands and feet on opposing sides, is not torture.

How sick are muslims and their bootlicking apologists?
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Reply #25 - Jun 26th, 2018 at 3:13pm
 
moses wrote on Jun 26th, 2018 at 1:21pm:
Brian Ross, apologist for islamic terrorism wrote: Reply #22 - Yesterday at 6:29pm

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So, where is the instruction to torture anyone?   "Kill" I'll accept but where is the instruction to "torture" anybody?  Adding bullshit, Moses?   Oh, dear what does that suggest about your supposed honesty?   Forgotten the ninth commandment?  Thou shall not bear false witness!


qur'an 5.32: Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

qur'an 5.33: Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

Oh gee  now the apologists are saying that crucifying, cutting off hands and feet on opposing sides, is not torture.

How sick are muslims and their bootlicking apologists?



No use of the word "torture", Moses.

Tsk, tsk, so much for the 10 commandments, hey?   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Call yourself a Christian?    Roll Eyes
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Reply #26 - Jun 26th, 2018 at 3:45pm
 
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So, where is the instruction to torture anyone?


now the apologists are saying that telling muslims to crucify, cut off hands and feet on opposing sides, is  not an instruction to torture.

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Reply #27 - Jun 26th, 2018 at 3:58pm
 
moses wrote on Jun 26th, 2018 at 3:45pm:
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So, where is the instruction to torture anyone?


now the apologists are saying that telling muslims to crucify, cut off hands and feet on opposing sides, is  not an instruction to torture.

How sick are muslims and their bootlicking apologists?


Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, Moses.  You do so easily lose your cool, don't you?  You claimed it instructed it's believers to explicitly "torture" apostates.   You have been proved to have lied, now you choose to attack me (indirectly).  You really need to own up to your lies and exaggeration.   Be an adult.  Remember your Ninth Commandment.   Or are the 10 Commandments meant to be optional for Christians?    Roll Eyes
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Reply #28 - Jun 26th, 2018 at 4:08pm
 
Do tell us again how urging muslims to crucify people and to cut off their hands and feet on opposing sides, is not and instruction to torture them.

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Reply #29 - Jun 26th, 2018 at 4:16pm
 
moses wrote on Jun 26th, 2018 at 4:08pm:
Do tell us again how urging muslims to crucify people and to cut off their hands and feet on opposing sides, is not and instruction to torture them.


You claimed they implicitly used the word "torture", Moses.

I have proved you wrong.  You have disobeyed your Ninth Commandment.  Tsk, tsk, you are damned and will go to hell it seems.  You are not a true Christian, are you?  I wonder if you are even an Australian - the concept of a "fair go" appears to have passed you by.   That is the problem with fundamentalists, they get tripped up on the details of their belief system.   Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes
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