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Reply #75 - Jun 14th, 2018 at 11:36am
 
And yet other countries are creating 1000's of jobs from renewables and these deadbeats here want to resurrect a 50 yo clapped out coal fired power station. What a joke Australia is Sad
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Reply #76 - Jun 14th, 2018 at 11:45am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 11:36am:
And yet other countries are creating 1000's of jobs from renewables and these deadbeats here want to resurrect a 50 yo clapped out coal fired power station.



yeah. More jobs to do the same or less than the coal fired power stations per MWh. Sounds like a good way to send a country broke.
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Reply #77 - Jun 14th, 2018 at 11:49am
 
lee wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 11:45am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 11:36am:
And yet other countries are creating 1000's of jobs from renewables and these deadbeats here want to resurrect a 50 yo clapped out coal fired power station.



yeah. More jobs to do the same or less than the coal fired power stations per MWh. Sounds like a good way to send a country broke.


A progressive country would not only supply locally with product but would also create an export market from its value added goods and product but not Australia. Australia is the odd man out. Always importing everything and exporting nothing except a pile of unprocessed minerals Sad
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Reply #78 - Jun 14th, 2018 at 12:04pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 11:49am:
A progressive country would not only supply locally with product but would also create an export market from its value added goods and product but not Australia.



So how do renewables jobs, which are only available in the renewables sector, translate to exports? Australia has already lost manufacturing capacity.

Which jobs open up that are only available to the renewables sector and have export potential?

Renewables powered mining plant? Nope.
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Reply #79 - Jun 14th, 2018 at 12:23pm
 
lee wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 12:04pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 11:49am:
A progressive country would not only supply locally with product but would also create an export market from its value added goods and product but not Australia.



So how do renewables jobs, which are only available in the renewables sector, translate to exports? Australia has already lost manufacturing capacity.

Which jobs open up that are only available to the renewables sector and have export potential?

Renewables powered mining plant? Nope.

how about
batteries
wind farms
solar panels
mini grids
thermal solar
thermal systems
bio gas systems.
bio coke
passive solar systems
specialist companies to supply and install all the above overseas with Australian workforce and machines.

just a few off my head lee
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Reply #80 - Jun 14th, 2018 at 12:31pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 12:23pm:
how about
batteries -
the world has beaten you to it.

wind farms -
We import them. We would need reliable power supplies for manufacture. it is energy intensive.

solar panels -
The chinese have beaten you to it. Also energy intensive.

mini grids -
What exaclty does that mean? It sounds like each option would have to be manufactured in situ; because each city, town is different. Impossible to do in Australia.

thermal solar -
Show me a thermal solar plant that has performed reliably.

thermal systems -
Expansion on your thought bubble is needed to clarify what you mean.

bio gas systems -
Are not renewables in the true sense. There has to be feedstock. Bio gas releases GHG's.

bio coke 
Same.

passive solar systems -
needs reliable power supplies.

specialist companies to supply and install all the above overseas with Australian workforce and machines. -
So they couldn't do it with their own labour cheaper?


just a few off my head lee



Yes. It would seem you are off your head.
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Reply #81 - Jun 14th, 2018 at 12:50pm
 
lee wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 12:31pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 12:23pm:
how about
batteries -
the world has beaten you to it.

wind farms -
We import them. We would need reliable power supplies for manufacture. it is energy intensive.

solar panels -
The chinese have beaten you to it. Also energy intensive.

mini grids -
What exaclty does that mean? It sounds like each option would have to be manufactured in situ; because each city, town is different. Impossible to do in Australia.

thermal solar -
Show me a thermal solar plant that has performed reliably.

thermal systems -
Expansion on your thought bubble is needed to clarify what you mean.

bio gas systems -
Are not renewables in the true sense. There has to be feedstock. Bio gas releases GHG's.

bio coke 
Same.

passive solar systems -
needs reliable power supplies.

specialist companies to supply and install all the above overseas with Australian workforce and machines. -
So they couldn't do it with their own labour cheaper?


just a few off my head lee



Yes. It would seem you are off your head.

wowo Lee good thing you not in charge of CSIRO  Wink Wink
so we give up because another country is doing it.... way to lay down and die Lee  Wink Wink
you  work for the government don't ya
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Reply #82 - Jun 14th, 2018 at 2:08pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 12:50pm:
lee wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 12:31pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 12:23pm:
how about
batteries -
the world has beaten you to it.

wind farms -
We import them. We would need reliable power supplies for manufacture. it is energy intensive.

solar panels -
The chinese have beaten you to it. Also energy intensive.

mini grids -
What exaclty does that mean? It sounds like each option would have to be manufactured in situ; because each city, town is different. Impossible to do in Australia.

thermal solar -
Show me a thermal solar plant that has performed reliably.

thermal systems -
Expansion on your thought bubble is needed to clarify what you mean.

bio gas systems -
Are not renewables in the true sense. There has to be feedstock. Bio gas releases GHG's.

bio coke 
Same.

passive solar systems -
needs reliable power supplies.

specialist companies to supply and install all the above overseas with Australian workforce and machines. -
So they couldn't do it with their own labour cheaper?


just a few off my head lee



Yes. It would seem you are off your head.

wowo Lee good thing you not in charge of CSIRO  Wink Wink
so we give up because another country is doing it.... way to lay down and die Lee  Wink Wink
you  work for the government don't ya


Grin So do the CSIRO  Roll Eyes
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Reply #83 - Jun 14th, 2018 at 2:18pm
 
lee wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 12:04pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 11:49am:
A progressive country would not only supply locally with product but would also create an export market from its value added goods and product but not Australia.



So how do renewables jobs, which are only available in the renewables sector, translate to exports? Australia has already lost manufacturing capacity.

Which jobs open up that are only available to the renewables sector and have export potential?

Renewables powered mining plant? Nope.



Well it seems that the renewables companies when constructing their massive solar farms up here in the north employ mostly backpackers instead of locals, so that is what they must mean.

Buy foreign solar equipment

Handed taxpayer funds

Employ foreign backpackers

Provide intermittent unreliable power,

Cha fkken ching b1tches

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Reply #84 - Jun 14th, 2018 at 2:24pm
 
The bigger money spinner is the bloody wind farms.

Cost a fortune, made from materials from mining & petroleum products, are as reliable as solar & turn the landscape into an environmental eyesore.
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Reply #85 - Jun 14th, 2018 at 2:47pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 2:24pm:
The bigger money spinner is the bloody wind farms.

Cost a fortune, made from materials from mining & petroleum products, are as reliable as solar & turn the landscape into an environmental eyesore.

coal power stations are so pretty, specially if your downwind..... Wink Wink
once they r built how much does it cost for the ongoing wind they use....
hmmm how about coal for a coal station ? Wink Wink
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Reply #86 - Jun 14th, 2018 at 2:52pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 2:47pm:
Gnads wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 2:24pm:
The bigger money spinner is the bloody wind farms.

Cost a fortune, made from materials from mining & petroleum products, are as reliable as solar & turn the landscape into an environmental eyesore.

coal power stations are so pretty, specially if your downwind..... Wink Wink
once they r built how much does it cost for the ongoing wind they use....
hmmm how about coal for a coal station ? Wink Wink



How much does it cost to run a coal fired power station to remain online just in case the hugely expensive wind farm loses all that 'free' wind?

Same applies to solar farms


It costs a friggen fortune to run coal power just to sit on stand-by just in case the intermittent power supply drops off-line.

Just a tidbit of info the greenies don't mention


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Reply #87 - Jun 14th, 2018 at 2:58pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 12:50pm:
wowo Lee good thing you not in charge of CSIRO



You mean the announcement  by the CSIRO of biochar?

"Biochar  is the charred by-product of biomass pyrolysis, the heating of plant-derived material in the absence of oxygen in order to capture combustible gases. The objective of this report was  to  review  and  evaluate  published  studies  with  regard  to  what  evidence  and  arguments  currently  exist  that  assess  the  application  of  biochar  to  soil  to  a)  sequester  carbon  and  b) produce  secondary  agronomic  benefits. "

http://www.clw.csiro.au/publications/science/2009/sr05-09.pdf

So what is pyrolysis? Pyrolysis is the thermal decomposition of materials at elevated temperatures in an inert atmosphere. (source: Wiki)

So what sources are used to heat these materials to "elevated temperatures"? One assumes a chemical precess; otherwise it seems self-defeating. But I can find no evidence.

Sequestration of Carbon? But the anti-coal people say it is not achievable, is not safe because it can leach out.


DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 12:50pm:
so we give up because another country is doing it.... way to lay down and die Lee


Do you understand economies of scale? Other countries already do it in a larger capacity than we do. Then of course at this stage you have to ship it overseas, in a GHG emissive vehicle of some sort. Unless you want to go back to wind power.
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Reply #88 - Jun 14th, 2018 at 3:00pm
 
lee wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 2:58pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 12:50pm:
wowo Lee good thing you not in charge of CSIRO



You mean the announcement  by the CSIRO of biochar?

"Biochar  is the charred by-product of biomass pyrolysis, the heating of plant-derived material in the absence of oxygen in order to capture combustible gases. The objective of this report was  to  review  and  evaluate  published  studies  with  regard  to  what  evidence  and  arguments  currently  exist  that  assess  the  application  of  biochar  to  soil  to  a)  sequester  carbon  and  b) produce  secondary  agronomic  benefits. "

http://www.clw.csiro.au/publications/science/2009/sr05-09.pdf

So what is pyrolysis? Pyrolysis is the thermal decomposition of materials at elevated temperatures in an inert atmosphere. (source: Wiki)

So what sources are used to heat these materials to "elevated temperatures"? One assumes either a chemical precess; otherwise it seems self-defeating. But I can find no evidence.

Sequestration of Carbon? But the anti-coal people say it is not achievable, is not safe because it can leach out.


DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 12:50pm:
so we give up because another country is doing it.... way to lay down and die Lee


Do you understand economies of scale? Other countries already do it in a larger capacity than we do. Then of course at this stage you have to ship it overseas, in a GHG emissive vehicle of some sort. Unless you want to go back to wind power.

and no I said good thing r not in charge of CSIRO because u would shut it down and say we cant compete lets just quit

wow u have decided Australia cant make anything..... well hopefully the rest of us don't think that way....... Wink Wink
I guess u might as well lay down and die right now Lee Tongue
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Reply #89 - Jun 14th, 2018 at 3:06pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
and no I said good thing r not in charge of CSIRO because u would shut it down and say we cant compete lets just quit

wow u have decided Australia cant make anything..... well hopefully the rest of us don't think that way....... Wink Wink
I guess u might as well lay down and die right now Lee



So no substantive argument. Just gum and arm flapping. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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