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Dying coal industry, not so fast there, ladies. (Read 19258 times)
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Reply #90 - Jun 14th, 2018 at 3:08pm
 
lee wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 3:06pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
and no I said good thing r not in charge of CSIRO because u would shut it down and say we cant compete lets just quit

wow u have decided Australia cant make anything..... well hopefully the rest of us don't think that way....... Wink Wink
I guess u might as well lay down and die right now Lee



So no substantive argument. Just gum and arm flapping. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

ohh you have already decided Australia can do nothing... why bother  Wink Wink
cant beat a dead horse Lee Wink Wink
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Reply #91 - Jun 14th, 2018 at 3:12pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 3:08pm:
cant beat a dead horse Lee



You try so often. I expect you do; just doesn't respond. How sad for you.

BTW  - what happened to those other "off the head" comments?

Biochar will still give off CO2 when eventually burned. It is carboniferous.
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Reply #92 - Jun 14th, 2018 at 6:03pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 2:47pm:
Gnads wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 2:24pm:
The bigger money spinner is the bloody wind farms.

Cost a fortune, made from materials from mining & petroleum products, are as reliable as solar & turn the landscape into an environmental eyesore.

coal power stations are so pretty, specially if your downwind..... Wink Wink
once they r built how much does it cost for the ongoing wind they use....
hmmm how about coal for a coal station ? Wink Wink


Modern ones have virtually no smell ... nothing like an aluminium refinery & it's corrosive lung busting air pollution as well as its massive tailings dams.

As for the ongoing wind costs ... totally the point .... the fact that can't be 100 % reliable ... in fact for any reasonable constant requirement they are very unreliable.

Believe it or not when the wind don't blow da windmill don't go. And that stuffs reliability big time.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/01/how-reliable-is-wind-power/
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Reply #93 - Jun 15th, 2018 at 12:24pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 4:31pm:
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So now you want to be pedantic? Appear smart? Didn't work.


Here is the less pedantic version: you are posting meaningless gibberish. All meaning disappears on the most superficial inspection. "Larger" does not actually mean anything when you use it.


Lee, can you give us the "not meaningless gibberish" version of what larger means?

lee wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 9:47pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 9:28pm:
What are you suggesting?



The larger the state the larger the emissions because goods have to be transported those larger distances throughout those states. And that's after getting them into the other states from the manufacturers in the south east corner.

But I have said it before. And all you came back with was "crap!" No thought went into your response at all.

That climate plays a large role in our energy emissions. It is hard to say what Tasmania's emissions would be like if it was powered by fossil fuels, due to a need for heating in winter.

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Reply #94 - Jun 15th, 2018 at 12:41pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 15th, 2018 at 12:24pm:
Lee, can you give us the "not meaningless gibberish" version of what larger means?



Larger means not smaller. Longer distances travelled are larger than shorter distances travelled. 1,000 Km is larger (or longer if you prefer) than 500 Km. 1Kg is larger than 500 grams.

Thee world abounds in examples of what larger is.

I am sorry if that is beyond you.
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Reply #95 - Jun 15th, 2018 at 6:20pm
 
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The larger the state the larger the emissions


Were you referring to weight here Lee?

Why do climate change deniers struggle with something as simple as knowing what they mean?
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Reply #96 - Jun 15th, 2018 at 6:32pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 15th, 2018 at 6:20pm:
Were you referring to weight here Lee?


GHG emissions are generally referred to in Megaton or Gigaton.

The state emissions I posted were in megaton CO2  equivalents.
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Reply #97 - Jun 16th, 2018 at 8:23am
 
And what makes a state large, other than remoteness from itself? Or are you sticking with that one?
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Reply #98 - Jun 16th, 2018 at 8:39am
 
Gnads wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 6:03pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 2:47pm:
Gnads wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 2:24pm:
The bigger money spinner is the bloody wind farms.

Cost a fortune, made from materials from mining & petroleum products, are as reliable as solar & turn the landscape into an environmental eyesore.

coal power stations are so pretty, specially if your downwind..... Wink Wink
once they r built how much does it cost for the ongoing wind they use....
hmmm how about coal for a coal station ? Wink Wink


Modern ones have virtually no smell ... nothing like an aluminium refinery & it's corrosive lung busting air pollution as well as its massive tailings dams.

As for the ongoing wind costs ... totally the point .... the fact that can't be 100 % reliable ... in fact for any reasonable constant requirement they are very unreliable.

Believe it or not when the wind don't blow da windmill don't go. And that stuffs reliability big time.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/01/how-reliable-is-wind-power/

and how many of these "clean" coal stations r in Australia ? Wink Wink
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Reply #99 - Jun 16th, 2018 at 9:52am
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 16th, 2018 at 8:39am:
Gnads wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 6:03pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 2:47pm:
Gnads wrote on Jun 14th, 2018 at 2:24pm:
The bigger money spinner is the bloody wind farms.

Cost a fortune, made from materials from mining & petroleum products, are as reliable as solar & turn the landscape into an environmental eyesore.

coal power stations are so pretty, specially if your downwind..... Wink Wink
once they r built how much does it cost for the ongoing wind they use....
hmmm how about coal for a coal station ? Wink Wink


Modern ones have virtually no smell ... nothing like an aluminium refinery & it's corrosive lung busting air pollution as well as its massive tailings dams.

As for the ongoing wind costs ... totally the point .... the fact that can't be 100 % reliable ... in fact for any reasonable constant requirement they are very unreliable.

Believe it or not when the wind don't blow da windmill don't go. And that stuffs reliability big time.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/01/how-reliable-is-wind-power/

and how many of these "clean" coal stations r in Australia ? Wink Wink



None because our government are fkking cretins who believe the lies about intermittent power being the future.

The rest of the planet are not so gullible.

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Reply #100 - Jun 16th, 2018 at 10:47am
 
Do you think clean coal is an intermittent source?
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Reply #101 - Jun 16th, 2018 at 10:55am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 16th, 2018 at 10:47am:
Do you think clean coal is an intermittent source?



Coal is base load, solar & wind are intermittent, obviously.

All intermittent power requires base load power (Coal & gas) to be on line just in case the intermittent power goes off line without warning or for prolonged periods, and the greenie idiots don't want the most efficient and cleanest coal fire power to do the job.


We are, as a country, fkking cretins
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Reply #102 - Jun 16th, 2018 at 11:34am
 
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All intermittent power requires base load power (Coal & gas) to be on line just in case


Not true, for several reasons:

batteries (of various sorts, including pumped hydro)
peaking suppliers (intermittent hydro, gas fired plants)
demand-side arrangements

On the third point, there is no actual baseload in demand. For the most part it was a response to the historical use of coal fired plants for the majority of the supply. This lead to significant periods in each day where power was very cheap, and a lot of industries evolved to take advantage. Those industries will evolve in exactly the same way to more volatile supplies. Likewise, retail customers became psychologically accustomed to fixed prices regardless of wholesale costs, but again there is nothing fundamental there. We now have the technology cheaply available to manage retail pricing the same way as wholesale pricing. This used to be managed by, for example, having your hot water system on off-peak power, but that's a pretty crude adaptation.

If prices were more rationally matched to supply and demand, there would be all sorts of retail and industrial consumers willing to cease consumption based on the spot price. At the moment this is largely driven by politics and legacy hard investments.
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Reply #103 - Jun 16th, 2018 at 12:02pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 16th, 2018 at 11:34am:
On the third point, there is no actual baseload in demand.



Right. So hospitals just go dark at night time or when the wind don't blow?
You talk of batteries. They are only going to give power for a short time if the other power supplies go out.

SA battery? 30,000 homes for about an hour. How much electricity is used by one hospital as compared to 30,000 homes?
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Reply #104 - Jun 16th, 2018 at 12:14pm
 
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Right. So hospitals just go dark at night time or when the wind don't blow?


Sure, hospitals can 'go dark' in terms of their connection to the grid. They can do this far easier than most places. They are always designed to be able to go dark. This is probably the worst example you could have chosen.

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You talk of batteries.


Yes. And peaking suppliers. And intermittent but controllable suppliers. There are all sort of technologies available.
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