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ABC proves that Muslims are lazy
Jun 4^th, 2018 at 7:09pm

Strange article - disproving a claim by Fraser Anning, in the process proving that Muslims are less likely to be employed, then trying to put a positive spin on that also. They blamed it variously on women and on discrimination. It did cite a UK study that listed a number of situations that Muslims were often not prepared to work in, for religious and cultural reasons - including not being prepared to meet the public, not being prepared to shake hands, women not being prepared to work in an office with men in it and women being pressured to stay at home.

Fact check: Are more than half of Australia's working-age Muslims not in the workforce?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-04/fact-check-muslim-workforce/9800656

Note that "in the labor force" appears to include unemployed people seeking work and on the dole. 56% of working age Muslims are either not seeking work or are seeking work but are currently unemployed.

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Re: ABC proves that Muslims are lazy
Reply #1 - Jun 5^th, 2018 at 2:47am

The view of the ideologues is that it is always 'discrimination' when a specified group doesn't get the success it expects... forget that in order to impose an ideological solution, others are deprived of the same opportunity in work and thus life, by being forced to surrender 'market share' of occupations to fit others in.

All very feminist-think...

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: ABC proves that Muslims are lazy Reply #2 - Jun 5^th, 2018 at 11:29am You're right FD. If only Fraser Anning had just said "muslims are lazy" - he would have come across as far more credible.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: ABC proves that Muslims are lazy Reply #3 - Jun 5^th, 2018 at 11:35am freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2018 at 7:09pm: 56% of working age Muslims are either not seeking work or are seeking work but are currently unemployed. Actually its 57% of working aged muslims who ARE in the labour force. But you know, details.
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Re: ABC proves that Muslims are lazy
Reply #4 - Jun 5^th, 2018 at 3:52pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 5^th, 2018 at 11:35am:

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2018 at 7:09pm:

56% of working age Muslims are either not seeking work or are seeking work but are currently unemployed.

Actually its 57% of working aged muslims who *ARE* in the labour force. But you know, details.

That 57% includes Muslims on the dole.

From the article:

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Where did Senator Anning's incorrect number come from?
Asked for the basis of his claim, Senator Anning's media spokesman, Boston White, referred Fact Check to an opinion piece by economist Henry Ergas, published in The Australian on September 14, 2015.

In the column, Mr Ergas raised concerns about the religious composition of Australia's refugee intake. At the time, the Government had expanded its humanitarian intake by 12,000 places to accommodate refugees from Syria.

Mr Ergas argued that Middle Eastern Muslim refugees found it difficult to integrate harmoniously into Australia's economy and society because they brought with them religious hatreds.
In this context, he stated that "56 per cent of Australia's working-age Muslims [are] either unemployed or not in the labour force".
In doing so, he refers to two groups of Muslims: those who are unemployed (that is, in the labour force but seeking work) and those who are not in the labour force (that is, not in paid work and not seeking work).

When Senator Anning lifted this figure from Mr Ergas's column, he tweeted it, saying 56 per cent of working-age Muslims were not in the labour force.

In other words, he attributed the figure only to the latter group of Muslims referred to by Mr Ergas.

Regardless, as the column was written in 2015, data from the 2016 census would likely have rendered the number out of date.

In other words, less than half of Australia's working age Muslims have a job.

Details eh?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: ABC proves that Muslims are lazy Reply #5 - Jun 5^th, 2018 at 3:57pm Read the article again FD, you are confused.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47364 At my desk.	Re: ABC proves that Muslims are lazy Reply #6 - Jun 5^th, 2018 at 4:01pm What am I confused about Gandalf? Are you going to retreat to gibberish in your desperate attempts to maintain a positive spin on this?
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Re: ABC proves that Muslims are lazy
Reply #7 - Jun 5^th, 2018 at 6:50pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 5^th, 2018 at 11:35am:

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2018 at 7:09pm:

56% of working age Muslims are either not seeking work or are seeking work but are currently unemployed.

Actually its 57% of working aged muslims who *ARE* in the labour force. But you know, details.

Participation is NOT the same as being actually employed. Thee Unemployed (ie SEEKING work and receiveing the dole) ARE participating. (their participation iss drwaing the unemployment benefit).

Not participating - neither working nor seeking work - is burqa band and the disability pensioners at the gym. They get other jizz-ya.

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Re: ABC proves that Muslims are lazy
Reply #8 - Jun 5^th, 2018 at 7:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 5^th, 2018 at 11:29am:

You're right FD. If only Fraser Anning had just said "muslims are lazy" - he would have come across as far more credible.

They have a strong work ethic when it comes to Jihad, Sharrouf and Elomar were unable to work and on the disability pension when they moved to the Islamic state.

The fact is muslims are lazy when it comes to work they're last in all the charts or did you miss what FD posted.

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Re: ABC proves that Muslims are lazy
Reply #9 - Jun 6^th, 2018 at 10:37am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 5^th, 2018 at 7:04pm:

The fact is muslims are lazy when it comes to work they're last in all the charts

No, thats just you baselessly ascribing low participation rates to laziness. Yet we know from the article that the bulk of this low participation is women. They are not participating for reasons related to patriarchy, traditional values and raising kids. You could of course criticise muslims in respect to this for being misogynistic, patriarchal etc - but blaming these women for being "lazy" seems to be the least plausible criticism. My guess is they work their butts off.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47364 At my desk.	Re: ABC proves that Muslims are lazy Reply #10 - Jun 6^th, 2018 at 11:01am Quote: Yet we know from the article that the bulk of this low participation is women. That accounts for a large part of the Muslims not seeking work. But among those "in the labour force", a large percentage are unemployed, and presumably on the dole. Only 44% of adult Muslims have a job.
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Re: ABC proves that Muslims are lazy
Reply #11 - Jun 6^th, 2018 at 12:29pm

And therefore 100% of them are lazy? What other racist slurs can we throw in FD? They're retarded due to inbreeding?

Do you remember when you had such a hissy fit over me saying something like "Europeans" spread diseases to the New World, and how tewwibly wacist that was? You even accused me of apportioning collective blame to an entire group. How is what you are doing here (and many other occasions) any different?

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Re: ABC proves that Muslims are lazy
Reply #12 - Jun 6^th, 2018 at 12:34pm

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What other racist slurs can we throw in FD?

Islam is not a race.

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They're retarded due to inbreeding?

A lot of them. Do you have a problem with that?

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Do you remember when you had such a hissy fit over me saying something like "Europeans" spread diseases to the New World, and how tewwibly wacist that was? You even accused me of apportioning collective blame to an entire group. How is what you are doing here (and many other occasions) any different?

I recall you trying to argue that European is not a race. But you seem to think that Islam is.

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Imrah Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 663 Gender:	Re: ABC proves that Muslims are lazy Reply #13 - Jun 6^th, 2018 at 12:35pm Fact Check got that one wrong according to the 'pub test' The truth is, Fact Check, that if one is officially 'looking for work' then one is factually not working, factually on the dole.
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Re: ABC proves that Muslims are lazy
Reply #14 - Jun 6^th, 2018 at 12:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 6^th, 2018 at 12:29pm:

And therefore 100% of them are lazy? What other racist slurs can we throw in FD? They're retarded due to inbreeding?

Do you remember when you had such a hissy fit over me saying something like "Europeans" spread diseases to the New World, and how tewwibly wacist that was? You even accused me of apportioning collective blame to an entire group. How is what you are doing here (and many other occasions) any different?

Is it possible that many Muslims see Australia as something to take from because it isn't a Muslim country Gandalf? Huh

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