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I'm going to throttle the cat
Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 10:00am

I came home from shopping early this morning and saw Ruffy the cat with something grey and white in his mouth. The second he locked eyes with me - he ran under the house. He wouldn't have done that if it was a rat. A few minutes later I heard flapping and this poor little turtle dove had escaped from his claws and hidden in a bush.

It's in a box now recovering. There are a lot of feathers missing, so I'm not sure if it will survive, although when I checked on it an hour later - it flew out of the box and smashed into a wall. The stress kills birds before the physical damage does.

I've spent 3 years teaching the cat the difference between birds and rats. He gets approval when he catches a rat - even though I hate the torture they suffer, but he gets punished when he catches a bird. It's been more than a year since he's caught one.

The bigger the rat - the quicker it's killed so I know they don't suffer for long, but he should know by now that birds are taboo. They are weak - so they're tortured for hours before the final crunch comes.

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Agnes Gold Member Offline fish dinner Posts: 6081 Bedford Park rnd	Re: I'm going to throttle the cat Reply #1 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 12:39pm you cant breed out instinct Mantra- my 2 kitties sit looking out the door at every exciting feathery movement and tweet- they have never been outside cats so it just instinct to want to have a go- put Ruffy in therapy
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95522 Melbourne Gender:	Re: I'm going to throttle the cat Reply #2 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 2:00pm Don't hurt the pussy.
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Agnes Gold Member Offline fish dinner Posts: 6081 Bedford Park rnd	Re: I'm going to throttle the cat Reply #3 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 3:24pm cats are self sufficient- unlike a clueless dog- we cant blame them for acting on thier instincts- and they have a right to be here as it is with any other animal - it seems they upset you so much Mantra- but thats life- some things we will always have to accept as part of life- other wise you will be upset forever-
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Reply #4 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 3:39pm

I've always been lumped with people's unwanted cats AG, but the only thing I really hate about them is their torture of small animals. I will never get used to that.

Regardless of how well fed they are - cats still can't resist pouncing on some defenseless creature - not to eat most of the time, but just to play with.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 2:00pm:

Don't hurt the pussy. Cry

He will be punished. Instead of getting 4 meals a day - he's only getting 3 a day for the next week - and no biscuits.

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Reply #5 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 3:44pm

mantra wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 3:39pm:

I've always been lumped with people's unwanted cats AG, but the only thing I really hate about them is their torture of small animals. I will never get used to that.

Regardless of how well fed they are - cats still can't resist pouncing on some defenseless creature - not to eat most of the time, but just to play with.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 2:00pm:

Don't hurt the pussy. Cry

He will be punished. Instead of getting 4 meals a day - he's only getting 3 a day for the next week - and no biscuits.

No biscuits for the pussy - you can't do that. Cry

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Reply #6 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 3:52pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 3:44pm:

mantra wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 3:39pm:

I've always been lumped with people's unwanted cats AG, but the only thing I really hate about them is their torture of small animals. I will never get used to that.

Regardless of how well fed they are - cats still can't resist pouncing on some defenseless creature - not to eat most of the time, but just to play with.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 2:00pm:

Don't hurt the pussy. Cry

He will be punished. Instead of getting 4 meals a day - he's only getting 3 a day for the next week - and no biscuits.

No biscuits for the pussy - you can't do that. Cry

and if you make him go hungry Mantra- he might go get another bird-

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mantra Gold Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 10750 Gender:	Re: I'm going to throttle the cat Reply #7 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 3:53pm He loves his biscuits so I'm attaching some turtle dove feathers to the packet. When he starts to whine for some - then I'll tell him he's naughty - over and over again until he gets it into his head that he can't touch anything with feathers. I think it's called habit reversal therapy.
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Reply #8 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 4:06pm

mantra wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 3:53pm:

He loves his biscuits so I'm attaching some turtle dove feathers to the packet. When he starts to whine for some - then I'll tell him he's naughty - over and over again until he gets it into his head that he can't touch anything with feathers.

I think it's called habit reversal therapy.

excellent idea-

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Reply #9 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 4:32pm

it is very normal or natural thing for a cat to do....sadly...

however have you tried a bell collar?.....

not sure desexing changes anything but it is something I have always had done to my animals....

also as they get older like me they get less active....

it is something mother nature must have thought was useful...I know my cat had brought home so many rodents which I cannot stand.. but all the same I am grateful there are less of them with her around...

some wish all cats were exterminated but then the thought of being over run with rodents sends me spinnings...

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Reply #10 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 4:50pm

cods wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 4:32pm:

it is very normal or natural thing for a cat to do....sadly...

however have you tried a bell collar?.....

not sure desexing changes anything but it is something I have always had done to my animals....

also as they get older like me they get less active....

it is something mother nature must have thought was useful...I know my cat had brought home so many rodents which I cannot stand.. but all the same I am grateful there are less of them with her around...

some wish all cats were exterminated but then the thought of being over run with rodents sends me spinnings...

Without cats around we would have billions of rats & mice
that would eventually wipe us out from disease &
hunger because they would eat all our food.

Human civilisation could not have advanced without cats.
It's a symbiotic relationship that we need.

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Reply #11 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 5:04pm

there is always a price to pay bobs....

and when it comes to killing!!!!! humans I believe have the record... Sad

when they talk about native animal habitat look what we do to that... we start fires that wipe out whole forests over night....we poison the ocean..... we bring animals from other countries that breed like wildfire and poison everything in their path...yes including wild life....

so many mistakes but if we can pass the buck to a cat as being the worst!!!!!!!! we do that also.. Roll Eyes

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Reply #12 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 5:30pm

cods wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 5:04pm:

there is always a price to pay bobs....

and when it comes to killing!!!!! humans I believe have the record... Sad

when they talk about native animal habitat look what we do to that... we start fires that wipe out whole forests over night....we poison the ocean..... we bring animals from other countries that breed like wildfire and poison everything in their path...yes including wild life....

so many mistakes but if we can pass the buck to a cat as being the worst!!!!!!!! we do that also.. Roll Eyes

But my point is valid - we just wouldn't be here without cats -

none of us would be here.

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Reply #13 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 5:40pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 5:30pm:

cods wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 5:04pm:

there is always a price to pay bobs....

and when it comes to killing!!!!! humans I believe have the record... Sad

when they talk about native animal habitat look what we do to that... we start fires that wipe out whole forests over night....we poison the ocean..... we bring animals from other countries that breed like wildfire and poison everything in their path...yes including wild life....

so many mistakes but if we can pass the buck to a cat as being the worst!!!!!!!! we do that also.. Roll Eyes

But my point is valid - we just wouldn't be here without cats -

none of us would be here.

not sure how you can say that bobs....how long have cats been amongst us??.....do we know?....

I am one of these who believes everything has a place on this planet......we humans of course the chosen ones with more intelligence [ Roll Eyes

] have not utilised half of what is available to us.....

we have much learning to do...and as these animals can see in the dark..can sense things we cannot..

yes .. we have much to learn.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: I'm going to throttle the cat Reply #14 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 5:48pm How many cats or rats or mice were in Australia before 1770?
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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 20720 ACT Gender:	Re: I'm going to throttle the cat Reply #15 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 5:50pm Speaking of Cats and Critters ---Where are you Herb?
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Reply #16 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 5:58pm

cods wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 5:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 5:30pm:

cods wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 5:04pm:

there is always a price to pay bobs....

and when it comes to killing!!!!! humans I believe have the record... Sad

when they talk about native animal habitat look what we do to that... we start fires that wipe out whole forests over night....we poison the ocean..... we bring animals from other countries that breed like wildfire and poison everything in their path...yes including wild life....

so many mistakes but if we can pass the buck to a cat as being the worst!!!!!!!! we do that also.. Roll Eyes

But my point is valid - we just wouldn't be here without cats -

none of us would be here.

not sure how you can say that bobs....how long have cats been amongst us??.....do we know?....

I am one of these who believes everything has a place on this planet......we humans of course the chosen ones with more intelligence [ Roll Eyes

] have not utilised half of what is available to us.....

we have much learning to do...and as these animals can see in the dark..can sense things we cannot..

yes .. we have much to learn.

8 mice - 4 males & 4 females can turn into 131,000 mice in just one year!
And 1 million mice just 9 weeks after that!

http://www.afrma.org/mousemultiply.htm

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: I'm going to throttle the cat Reply #17 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 6:00pm Were any here pre 1770 Bobby?
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: I'm going to throttle the cat Reply #18 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 6:04pm Redmond Neck wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 5:50pm: Speaking of Cats and Critters ---Where are you Herb? I havent been here much either maybe he feels the same way as I do...waste of time..
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95522 Melbourne Gender:	Re: I'm going to throttle the cat Reply #19 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 6:06pm Aussie wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 6:00pm: Were any here pre 1770 Bobby? I give up - were there any?
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: I'm going to throttle the cat Reply #20 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 6:09pm Can't find Google? Maybe DuByne can help you?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95522 Melbourne Gender:	Re: I'm going to throttle the cat Reply #21 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 6:11pm Aussie wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 6:09pm: Can't find Google? Maybe DuByne can help you? You're the one telling the story Aussie, for all that I've said I've come up with links to prove it. All you have are smart arse comments.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: I'm going to throttle the cat Reply #22 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 6:20pm You could not find this? Link. Or this? Link.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95522 Melbourne Gender:	Re: I'm going to throttle the cat Reply #23 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 6:23pm Aussie wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 6:20pm: You could not find this? Link. Or this? Link. Those damn British fools bringing mice here.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: I'm going to throttle the cat Reply #24 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 7:00pm ...and cats.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95522 Melbourne Gender:	Re: I'm going to throttle the cat Reply #25 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 7:01pm Aussie wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 7:00pm: ...and cats. I think the mice were unintentional but the cats were brought here because most people love them as pets.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: I'm going to throttle the cat Reply #26 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 7:26pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 7:01pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 7:00pm: ...and cats. I think the mice were unintentional but the cats were brought here because most people love them as pets. Dunno why they were brought here if it was intentional. They have no place in Australia.
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Jovial Monk Moderator Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43658 Gender:	Re: I'm going to throttle the cat Reply #27 - Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 8:28pm Doubt they were brought as cats, more likely ship cats to keep rat numbers down.
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Reply #28 - Jun 4^th, 2018 at 9:02am

cods wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 4:32pm:

it is very normal or natural thing for a cat to do....sadly...

however have you tried a bell collar?.....

not sure desexing changes anything but it is something I have always had done to my animals....

also as they get older like me they get less active....

it is something mother nature must have thought was useful...I know my cat had brought home so many rodents which I cannot stand.. but all the same I am grateful there are less of them with her around...

some wish all cats were exterminated but then the thought of being over run with rodents sends me spinnings...

I haven't had problems with previous cats and bell collars, but I've tried numerous times to get this cat to wear a collar He has always gone berserk - as though he is being attacked by a strange animal.

I do appreciate the reduction in rodents though.

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and when it comes to killing!!!!! humans I believe have the record... Sad

when they talk about native animal habitat look what we do to that... we start fires that wipe out whole forests over night....we poison the ocean..... we bring animals from other countries that breed like wildfire and poison everything in their path...yes including wild life..

This is all true Cods. The professionals rave about back burning being essential, but it often gets out of control. Do they consider the terror and slaughter inflicted on all our bush creatures when they start these fires? Wild bushfires also are more often than not started by firebugs.

Australia hasn't looked after their native animals. We have one of the highest losses of species on earth and they're still disappearing quickly.

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mantra Gold Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 10750 Gender:	Re: I'm going to throttle the cat Reply #29 - Jun 4^th, 2018 at 9:05am Redmond Neck wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 5:50pm: Speaking of Cats and Critters ---Where are you Herb? I haven't seen Herbert here for ages. I hope he's OK.
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: I'm going to throttle the cat Reply #30 - Jun 4^th, 2018 at 9:23am can anyone explain who or how they count how many native animals have been killed by cats???.... I have often wondered how its done I can guess how they would count road kill... but !!!!
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26460 Australia	Re: I'm going to throttle the cat Reply #31 - Jun 4^th, 2018 at 10:43am The thing is the cats have been here longer than we have. Cats in the wild dont go after birds either because they are harder to get. The deforestation is whats killing birds. Spot
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Jovial Monk Moderator Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43658 Gender:	Re: I'm going to throttle the cat Reply #32 - Jun 4^th, 2018 at 11:40am Placental land mammals, but not cats, arrived with the aborigines. Cats arrived with the First Fleet. Here kitty kitty: No cat should be sold or given away unless it is neutered. Cats should be phased out as a pet. That way the pool of destructive feral cats won’t grow.
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26460 Australia	Re: I'm going to throttle the cat Reply #33 - Jun 4^th, 2018 at 11:41am Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 4^th, 2018 at 11:40am: Placental land mammals, but not cats, arrived with the aborigines. Cats arrived with the First Fleet. http://www.creepycrawliespestcontrol.com.au/siteassistpro_images/FeralCat3.jpg Maybe the dutch but they were already here when we arrived. Spot
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Jovial Monk Moderator Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43658 Gender:	Re: I'm going to throttle the cat Reply #34 - Jun 4^th, 2018 at 11:52am Still brought here by Europeans. Cats have no place in Australia.
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Reply #35 - Jun 11^th, 2018 at 5:18am

I've had to rescue a second little turtle dove in 8 days. The first one died suddenly after 2 days - no doubt from an infection from the cat's claws or teeth.

This time Ruffy the cat was innocent because he was sitting beside me when I heard this furious flapping. Turtle doves do it a lot in the trees when they're courting and mating, but this noise was coming from the ground.

I ran outside and saw my favourite little butcher bird fly quickly onto a nearby tree branch, but she left her victim stunned and bleeding in the grass.

I've got the baby dove in a box. Its eye has been damaged and its neck has an open wound where the butcher bird tried to eat it alive.

I thought it would have died overnight as it has obvious neurological damage. However this morning it's still alive. I mashed a bit of boiled egg and warm water together into a liquid and surprisingly it slurped a fair bit, so fingers crossed. Although if it does recover - it won't be able to be released.

For the first time in a long time - I can say that it wasn't the cat, but one of my much loved native birds. I also know the butcher bird who caused this damage wasn't hungry. She's very well fed, but it's clear that hunger isn't the issue when it comes to a predatory animal trying to kill a weaker one. They just can't help themselves.

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