(now that I've got your attention)



https://au.news.yahoo.com/thousands-aussie-drivers-campaign-change-cycling-road-...

No more 'Door 'Em All, Let God Sort 'Em Out!!'

Sydney drivers get all agitated being held up by bikes for 20 seconds because it cuts into the time they'll enjoy waiting at the next set of lights.

Imrah wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 2:40pm:


Not all cyclists own a car.

Get 'em off the road - they're a menace.

I for one take great care around cyclists on the road. It costs you all of 10 seconds.

Gordon wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 2:35pm:




Haha exactly right.

Gordon wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 3:00pm:




I think thats the key isn't it.

As a cyclist, I don't disagree that there are dickhead cyclists. There are also dickhead drivers.


Riding as a bunch as cyclists does 2 things.

1. We go quicker thereby holding you up slightly less
2. Its safer for us since we're a slighlty bigger obstruction.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 3:07pm:



Perth has seen a remarkable improvement in driver attitudes this year since the less lethal passing laws have started to become common knowledge.  Commuting has become quite a comfortable experience again after the last decade of road-rage. 

When it comes to the shared paths, if the cyclists are in good moods because of the good moods of the car drivers, it makes us treat the pedestrians more gently, and before you know it, everyone is happy again!

You shouldn't be so negative about the better parts of future.

Imrah wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 3:27pm:


Perth has seen a remarkable decline in cyclists' attitudes.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 3:32pm:




Isn;'t that a anecdotal subjective measure. And even if it is true, have you thought it may well be because they are sick of being treated like poo by drivers?

So one anecdote good.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 3:32pm:

Yeah well don't you worry, Greggery.  It will catch on gradually, but don't be left behind with yesterday's news.  Cyclists are human, pedestrians are human, and car drivers are human, and if you try to focus on the similarities and get your mind off the differences, you'll be speaking Danish before you know it. 

There has been a significant improvement overall in our mutual objectives entirely due to the passing laws, so recognise it and get over the past.  People in Perth can be nice to each other on the roads again now.  Why don't you be happy too now?

I, for one, am happy to share the road with cyclists

However, I believe cyclists should be identifiable.

Number plates should be fitted to every bike ridden on the road, to assist in reporting those who break the law, intimidate drivers, damage vehicles or otherwise create a menace.

Those cyclists who argue against such measures have something to hide

Why do you want to hide your identity?

What are you doing wrong that you do not want your identity known?

Valkie wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 4:02pm:




How do you suggest I affix it so it can be seen from the rear, without causing a huge amount of drag?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 4:06pm:


You serious?  How much drag do you expect at 10kph?  Jesus - even replica aircraft sometimes have a fixed undercarriage because installing a retractable one is not worth it at the speed the replica may fly.... and that's a lot faster than your bike...

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 3:53pm:

I am sorry to hear that you have made bad observations, but don't generalise about other people because you invite other people to generalise about you. 

Do you honestly believe that there is not a single, living, decent cyclist in Australia?  If that is the case then I hope you die back.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 4:11pm:


I'm guessing it'll be seen as offensive.

Rider training needed?  These are professionals at work....



BTW - the argument put forward that double riding is better than single file for motorists to overtake is totally absurd... it's frankly scary when you've got two clowns riding side by side and chatting away and not paying attention.. only need to wander a bit and bang....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 4:19pm:



And you know this from your years of experience riding in a bunch?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 4:17pm:

Are you two getting off on posting irrelevant drivel.

Imrah wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 4:25pm:


Our 'dual carriage' has a bike or safety lane - wide enough for a car - there should be no need to pull over into the other lane to pass a bike.... are they supposed to be on freeways?

Here's Peccary's biker attitude in Perth for you:-

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 4:27pm:

If you look very closely when you get on the freeway in Perth, you might notice signs on the left that say 'No Bicycles' or words to that effect. 

Let me put it this way, mate.  Only a suicidal cyclist would deliberately ride down the middle of the road in front of an approaching car for no other reason than to risk their life.  In most cases there would usually be some valid reason, because there is a much higher degree of danger on a bike in the city than in a car. 

It does not make any logical sense except as some kind of political statement, and if that is the case, then all I can write is that they'll get over it when the animosity that they have to put up with on the roads calms down.  I am sorry that there are those amongst us who cannot see the big picture of this little commuter war and lift their game like most Western Australian drivers have since last December.

It is much safer to do what Gillard and Brown told us and be nice to the Sky God when we travel in the city now.  Your grand children will than you one day for your kindness and courteous manners to your friendly neighbourhood cyclists, (if that's not taking it too far).

Imrah wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 4:44pm:



Can you think of a valid reason to ride in the centre of the lane?  It's acceptable on some roads around here because they are notoriously narrow - but then there isn't a heap of traffic either, and it's easy to go around them - as I do in - the other lane, giving them a very wide berth.

I treat them with courtesy and respect - I expect the same.

Imrah wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 5:34pm:


I've seen it myself...and it's been on the news, followed by assaults on motorists by bike riders...

Though it may be a minor offence against reason and decency, as well as being abysmally stupid and self-entitled - it does happen.

You don't read too well, do you?  Only what you choose to see......

Exactly the style that Mr Peccary was complaining about in the bike community - an incredible sense of self-entitlement and right to abuse others.

Imrah wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 6:02pm:


I find it hard to imagine that motorists are not considerate of pedestrians... though I'm sure there are incidents of 'road rage' over pedestrians doing stupid things.  Again I've seen it myself - traveling down Pitt Street in Sydney on a wet road to see a shoal of pedestrians break from a footpath against the red light and force me to brake, and skid a little.. some then abused me for frightening them by braking.  Not much you can tell me about cyclists in Sydney Metro area... I think I've seen it all.

What 'resentment of all cyclists'?  You really haven't read what I've been posting, have you?  I treat them with respect and courtesy - I simply expect the same.  that's twice I've said that, and I've given examples of how I am very conscientious about moving as far away from them as possible while overtaking.

Good to see you are trying to do the right thing.... but the sense of entitlement is showing.  Making a point is not worth losing your life.

Imrah wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 6:34pm:


Possibly... I've done that myself once or twice...

Yes - it would be much better if everyone on the roads just abided by the rules.

You should see my statement over being tail-gated and such by two small trucks yesterday - for slowing down to 100kph in front of them in a 100 zone.  It was double lane freeway and all they had to do if they wanted to go faster than 100 was go around - but no - they picked on the wrong guy.  If I'd been alone and not with four ladies on board.....  Unfortunately for them, my passengers got their numbers and a video.  I'm waiting on a response from the business owner before contacting police, but if I don't hear by tomorrow morning, I'm off to the local constabulary.

freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 7:08pm:


Who said anything about one bicycle overtaking another?  That's legit... like everyone else you overtake and then move back to the left.

freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 7:18pm:



You die...... sometimes you get trucks doing that - overtaking in the 110 zone when they can't keep up with cars, and then hitting a hill and being unable to get past the other truck... road blocked.

I've seen a three lane uphill with three trucks side by side, each one further to the right trying to beat the others up the hill..... stuff the traffic and cars.... some countries have a rule that trucks etcmay only use the left lane(s).

Picture seven lycra wearers, each stoking his ego and thinking he can get past the others...... and all at the same time....

Imrah wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 7:26pm:



In that case I slow down and wait until the road is clear enough for me to go around the cycle with a wide berth.  as I said - some of the roads around here are very narrow, some of them are major roads, too, and long overdue for upgrading.  Trouble is it's part council and part national parks.... both wait for the other to do some work, and for the Fed to offer money, so they dawdle until the government is forced to fund it lavishly.

It's a tourist destination and The Lakes Way is terrifying for people who don't know it - twisty, hilly, and narrow in places, along with patches of broken down surface and some low-lying damp spots that break up and distort all the time.

Check this bit:-


I know the road well, so I'm fine, but  visitors find it terrifying, especially those with caravans and big campers.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 7:33pm:

I see that (90) sign at the apex.  A good example of why it is often advisable to to start long journeys early in the morning and find a nightly destination in the afternoon when there is still good daylight.  That road would be a lot more frightening on a dark night if I'd never driven it before and wasn't prepared, caravan or not.

About time for me to say thanks for the friendly chat and sorry if I argued with you when I shouldn't have, and then didn't take the first hint.  Have a good night, Mr Grappler.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 8:21pm:


Could be - see the tyres in the ute?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 8:58pm:


Looks like an old Leo Wanker sketch.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 30^th, 2018 at 10:25pm:

Good morning and thank you.  Yesterday I was confused because it seemed as though someone with half a brain suddenly turned into a half-wit, and all the time I was replying to you there was a thought in the back of my mind telling me, "This can't be the same bloke."

All harmless when the day is over.  I refuse to go back and read over yesterday's posts because that would be telling my memory that it's not worth the neurons its written on. 

Much of this first week here has taught me that the level of humour at this forum is quite primitive, so that might be why I missed your subtle wit.  Mothers who spend a long time surrounded by hoards of children sometimes make similar mistakes out of habit when confronted with the occasional grownup.

I'll take your advice and read some people's posts with more careful concentration than the average,.  Happy Thursday!

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 31^st, 2018 at 9:22am:



Which one?

Have no problem with cyclists, providing they are not idiots who take up the whole road as some of them seem to take delight in doing.

Won't be happening here in WA. Our useless road safety minister says so. Same as she won't do anything about the idiots using their mobile phones while driving epidemic.

https://thewest.com.au/news/perth/michelle-roberts-rejects-call-for-single-file-...

I honestly don't know how she manages to keep her job.

Valkie wrote on Jun 5^th, 2018 at 7:53pm:



If they don't want plates - if the city bike couriers don't want numbers on their vests...... they must have something to hide......

**victory roll**



Mk IX, I think - vertical stabiliser extension, 20mm cannon, and engine compartment not big enough for a Griffon... four bladed prop....

Hmm - maybe a Mk. XIV - Spiteful tail...

Who is afraid of cyclists?

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2018 at 11:49am:

That's the subject of this bigoted thread, isn't it?  Idiot cyclists invading the territory of humble motorists going about their own business of smogging up the atmosphere with their personal fossil-fulled power stations that they paid their hard-earned money for, that's what it's all about, sonny boy.  The Cars! 

Don't forget those bloody pedestrians who blatantly walk on roads that they have not paid for the privilege like our blessed car drivers, who are always courteous, never idiots, and never break the rules ever. 

Those pedestrians should have flurouescent yellow stars tattoed on their foreheads so that innocent motorists can see them in the dark if they feel the urge to drive along the footpaths.  Get them off the roads before they put up my insurance premiums.  Look what those damn pedestrians have done to the cost of registration in WA now!  It was not McGowan's fault.  It's those blasted pedestrians who keep maiming and killing themselves by being idiots and stepping in front of innocent two-tonne SUVs. 

I say we should make them all catch the bus, that's what I reckon.

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2018 at 12:30pm:


Why don't you run them down and teach them a lesson?  You can always say it was their fault and everyone will believe you, especially if they're dead.   

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2018 at 12:45pm:

Use a stolen car and then they can't track your licence plate either.

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2018 at 12:56pm:

Are you imagining things, Captain?  I'm having a most fun time enjoying the revelation of the true state of bigotry on the roads of modern Australia. 

Just one question regarding those evil cyclists who plague you so relentlessly everywhere you blow your nice poisonous smoke up in the air, just trying to make you waste all that fuel you could be spending wisely at the red light up the road with the other gridlocked traffic. 

If they were four wide, then that makes four of them, but how long was the pelaton?  How many nasty cyclists in total were there in the average political statement that you have had to suffer in your daily travels?  If they were four wide, then one would assume that they were at least ten long, and if 4 x 10 = 40 cyclists then you are telling us all that you would prefer that they all drove around in cars like you, in single-file (because cars are too wide to fit in a single lane side-by-side)?  Would that make you happy?

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2018 at 1:30pm:

Yamaha make enduro bikes with lights and indicators, so all you need to do is pickup some IT-600 wreck in the classifieds and swap the right bits over, then take it over the pits to get it registered.  I don't know what model Yamaha use for their enduro bikes now.

The main reason that bicycles are different is because they don't have engines, which is why they don't pollute the air that us animals breathe to live, and that is also why they are about as slow as a tractor.  That's faster than walking, faster than running, and that's because they have wheels. 

However I digress.  I forgot we're supposed to be exemplifying the wonders of Australian bigotry on the roads.  You need that stolen car, Captain.  Then all your troubles will be over ... eventually, if you drive quick.

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2018 at 2:40pm:

If I was a californian teenager I'd have to answer that with 'lol'.  You are now arguing the most ridiculous point I have seen or heard all week.  Well done!

I really like that line about 'bicycles don't grow on trees'.  The original bicycles did grow on trees, in fact. 

Though I guess you are right.  Australia would be a much cleaner place if we reverted to the Stone Age when boomerangs grew on trees.  I am still having a hard time typing when you have made me laugh so much.  Damn that Industrial Era.

Did you know that it would be better for the crusade on global warming if we all lived in trees and ate nuts and berries like we used to?  How do you feel about bananas?

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2018 at 3:24pm:

How do you turn your steering wheel when your hands are clinging to the rear bumper as you push your car up the hills, Captain?

Since you are so careful not to upset the greenies by starting your car's internal fossil-fueled power station, it must be hard to steer from behind it. 

Seriously, I tell you that cars make pollution and bikes don't, and rather than admit that you are wrong, you stoop to the depths of sadness by trying to argue that the manufacture of bicycles uses more energy than the manufacture of cars?

Well I am glad that's true in your mind because no matter what you or I do, the world is heading for another mass extinction because of all the cars we have loved so dearly, (Hawaii & Guatemala), so you can say that you have contributed to the ultimate cure for life in the universe. 

Just think of all the shrinks and social workers we son't have to put up with on tv when there are no more worries left in the world!  Oblivion is good for the budget deficit, because we won't have to pay politicians anymore after the planet explodes, will we?

I thought we were talking about the illegal and stupid actions of some cycle riders....

There are stupid car drivers.

There are stupid cyclists.

There are stupid pedestrians.

But do you know what the difference Is?

When a car hits another car, they damage the cars, but safety devices protect the occupants to a degree.

When a car hits a pedestrian or cyclist, there is little damage to the car, and serious damage to the cyclist and pedestrian.

If you knew that you woukd be killed just because you forced your right of way, would you?
If your answer is yes, you are a lycra clad looney.

Do you know why cyclists are always so angry?

For the same reason bulls buck when they rodeo.

Their balls are being crushed by the lycra in cyclists and by elastic bands in bulls.

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Valkie wrote on Jun 7^th, 2018 at 5:58pm:

I have seen that you have not seen reality. 

You are welcome to walk backwards out of the driveway of your home with your eyes closed onto a main road, and see what yo momma would like to have written on your epitaph, Val'.

Maybe then you can look upon your grave and understand the rules of the road, eh?   I welcome the good help your being run over by a truck outside your two-storey mansion will give to you in learning about the rules of the road.  You will be doing us all a favour, so go ahead and try it.

Valkie wrote on Jun 7^th, 2018 at 7:26pm:

You don't understand.  You don't get it.  Not at all, MATE.   Look at the photos I have worked so hard to transfer across here.

Do you not see that the silver Magna was either reversing out of the driveway, (most likely), blindly, or else drove into the driveway with full vision of the approaching peloton of five cyclists, (less likely), and then  turned their Magna into a metal bulwark for the oncoming road users to have NO CHOICE but to crash straight into.

Do you not see that the Magna is sideways across the frucking road?

How do you think that happened?

I don't care about your politics, MATE,  Here is a typical example of what thugs in cars do on the roads to kill innocent cyclists, so you have made me more than gleeful to read your reports of cyclists doing impolite things to pedestrians, because those pedestrians are perhaps also ugly drivers when they are not walking so we are all better off if they are dead and buried.

Not really.  I am sorry for becoming emotional because of your bullshite political reparte', but you don't even understand the rules of the road in Australia!

Valkie, you do not have the right to reverse out of a driveway onto a main road in front of oncoming traffic,  FFS you do not even have the right to drive your Magna over a footpath if there are pedestrians walking on it. 

Do you want anarchy on Australian roads?  Well, okay with me because I have a bike, which I prefer to ride as my number one transport, but since you want anarchy on the roads, then that is fine with me because I also have a frucking BIG TRUCK which I would prefer to leave at home to accord with Julia Gillard and her stupid carbon tax, but from now on, I am going to use my BIG TRUCK whenever I need to go out instead of the little bike, and if I see you around the place, or anyone who walks on two legs like you, or drives a piddley little Japanese car like you, or makes me unhappy like you, then this is anarchy rules now, so I can run you down and stop.

Then I will reverse over you to make sure I did the job right, and recite those infamous car driving words, "Sorry mate, I didn't see you." and nobody would argue that I was at fault because now we have anarchy in Australia, because Valkie thinks that the road rules are a waste of time.

I promise to drive my BIG TRUCK down to the cemetery every few years and leave some flowers beside your headstone, MATE.

Imrah wrote on Jun 6^th, 2018 at 6:08pm:



My great-great grandparents on one side were Jewish... from Hamburg - I've sought records of surviving family members - there are none...

You cannot grab that high moral ground with me... stop biting those who merely raise the question.... like arguing DV and spousal murder, this subject raises up the worst in people, and they start acting like incipient volcanoes rather than rational human beings.... some primal instinct in the bike rider to protect against the metal tyrannosaurus by attacking it - last great act of defiance ... a Darwinian strike against the enemy... but they died with their lycra and boots on while making a statement that will not resonate down through the ages ......

Maybe bike riders do that to protect the inner circle of the group/troop or whatever.... it is, after all, the duty of the males on the outer to die screaming to alert the herd to the presence of a predator.... none more on the outer than rogue bike riders....