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May 30th, 2018 at 2:27pm
 
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"Australian drivers are fighting for a road rule that could finally mean the end to the war between cyclists and cars.

More than 80,000 people have signed a change.org petition calling for a compulsory single file rule for cyclists who ride in groups, regardless of whether a bike lane exists in a particular spot or not.

The drivers are calling on the transport ministers of each Australian state to make the change.

As part of the law change, the drivers also want cyclists banned from driving on roads with a speed limit of 80km/h or higher if the roads don’t have designated bike lanes.

“We are tired of taxpayer dollars being lavished on expensive road systems with designated bike lanes, only to see cyclists continue to ride two or more abreast, spilling into main traffic lanes and impeding traffic flow,” the petition said.

“We are tired of the safety hazards such cyclists present, and we are tired of being told we’re bad drivers if we complain about this problem.

“We, the undersigned concerned citizens of Australia, believe our money is being wasted every time an expensive bike lane is built on a main road in circumstances where cyclists ignore such infrastructure as a matter of routine behaviour.”

The creator of the petition believes cyclists travelling in single file would be safest.

Bikes NSW communications director Kim Lavender told News Corp there were better alternatives for cyclists and the two abreast rule was safer.

“If you are riding two abreast on a road it means you are taking up less length on the road so it is easier for cars to overtake,” she said.

“It reduces it down to two metres of overtaking as opposed to three or more if riders were in single file.”

Transport Minister Michael McCormack has been contacted for comment"


https://au.news.yahoo.com/thousands-aussie-drivers-campaign-change-cycling-road-...

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Reply #1 - May 30th, 2018 at 2:30pm
 

Ban them!

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Sydney drivers get all agitated being held up by bikes for 20 seconds because it cuts into the time they'll enjoy waiting at the next set of lights.
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"cyclists ignore such infrastructure as a matter of routine behaviour.”


Wrong!  Cyclists take the safest, smoothest, fastest roadway available depending on circumstances.  Before he opens his mouth, that bloke needs to ride the same roads where he is complaining about cyclists commuting with other vehicles, and with the same intentions as other vehicles: to get somewhere smoothly.

He needs to do this for a year at least, on a bike, through the days, and try out the bike lanes and shared paths compared to the roads, and see how cumbersome in design as well as the often rougher surfaces, and then he might understand why sometimes it is okay to take a bike path and sometimes it is wiser to take the road. 

Cyclists still pay the rego on their cars even when we leave them at home and ride our bikes, you know?  Don't be so jolly stingy about it!
It's un-Australian.
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Imrah wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:40pm:

Cyclists still pay the rego on their cars even when we leave them at home and ride our bikes, you know?  Don't be so jolly stingy about it!
It's un-Australian.   


Not all cyclists own a car.

Get 'em off the road - they're a menace.

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greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:48pm:
Imrah wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:40pm:

Cyclists still pay the rego on their cars even when we leave them at home and ride our bikes, you know?  Don't be so jolly stingy about it!
It's un-Australian.   


Not all cyclists own a car.

Get 'em off the road - they're a menace.


You have an interesting attitude and taste for shadenfreude.  Not all car drivers pay rego, touche'.  You could use a ticket to Copenhagen, to see how 46% of a city commutes by bike. 

Are you disabled?  That might explain your opinion but not your attitude.
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I for one take great care around cyclists on the road. It costs you all of 10 seconds.
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Imrah wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:48pm:
Imrah wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:40pm:

Cyclists still pay the rego on their cars even when we leave them at home and ride our bikes, you know?  Don't be so jolly stingy about it!
It's un-Australian.   


Not all cyclists own a car.

Get 'em off the road - they're a menace.


You have an interesting attitude and taste for shadenfreude.  Not all car drivers pay rego, touche'.  You could use a ticket to Copenhagen, to see how 46% of a city commutes by bike. 

Are you disabled?  That might explain your opinion but not your attitude.


I don't live in Copenhagen (was very close last week, though) - I live in Perth, Western Australia.

In Perth, Western Australia, the majority of adult bike riders are rude pricks who disobey the law every five minutes, and abuse law-abiding motorists for no reason at all.

Get 'em off the roads (and footpaths).



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Gordon wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:35pm:
Sydney drivers get all agitated being held up by bikes for 20 seconds because it cuts into the time they'll enjoy waiting at the next set of lights.




Haha exactly right.
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Reply #9 - May 30th, 2018 at 3:15pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
I for one take great care around cyclists on the road. It costs you all of 10 seconds.


So do I, as a mater of fact - same with motor cycles.....but since it's so trendy to throw the word the word 'thug' around that I just had to get it in... how knows? With enough mindless repetition of the word it might come to have the same value as words like 'violence' do today.... next to nothing due to over-extending it....

Truth is like a rubber band - you can only stretch it so many times before it becomes inelastic and eventually breaks down completely.

Here's a good one - you could door 'em and push 'em out into the traffic at the same time...

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Gordon wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
I for one take great care around cyclists on the road. It costs you all of 10 seconds.




I think thats the key isn't it.

As a cyclist, I don't disagree that there are dickhead cyclists. There are also dickhead drivers.


Riding as a bunch as cyclists does 2 things.

1. We go quicker thereby holding you up slightly less
2. Its safer for us since we're a slighlty bigger obstruction.
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Reply #11 - May 30th, 2018 at 3:23pm
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:17pm:
Gordon wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
I for one take great care around cyclists on the road. It costs you all of 10 seconds.




I think thats the key isn't it.

As a cyclist, I don't disagree that there are dickhead cyclists. There are also dickhead drivers.


Riding as a bunch as cyclists does 2 things.

1. We go quicker thereby holding you up slightly less
2. Its safer for us since we're a slighlty bigger obstruction.


Just imagine the cyclists is your son/daughter /brother/ sister.

The other day I saw an impatient car cut off a school kid on a bike. Lucky he had space to runoff.

My urge to catch and beat the driver senseless was barely contained
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greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:07pm:
Imrah wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:48pm:
Imrah wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:40pm:

Cyclists still pay the rego on their cars even when we leave them at home and ride our bikes, you know?  Don't be so jolly stingy about it!
It's un-Australian.   


Not all cyclists own a car.

Get 'em off the road - they're a menace.


You have an interesting attitude and taste for shadenfreude.  Not all car drivers pay rego, touche'.  You could use a ticket to Copenhagen, to see how 46% of a city commutes by bike. 

Are you disabled?  That might explain your opinion but not your attitude.


I don't live in Copenhagen (was very close last week, though) - I live in Perth, Western Australia.

In Perth, Western Australia, the majority of adult bike riders are rude pricks who disobey the law every five minutes, and abuse law-abiding motorists for no reason at all.

Get 'em off the roads (and footpaths).






Perth has seen a remarkable improvement in driver attitudes this year since the less lethal passing laws have started to become common knowledge.  Commuting has become quite a comfortable experience again after the last decade of road-rage. 

When it comes to the shared paths, if the cyclists are in good moods because of the good moods of the car drivers, it makes us treat the pedestrians more gently, and before you know it, everyone is happy again!

You shouldn't be so negative about the better parts of future.
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Reply #13 - May 30th, 2018 at 3:31pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:23pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:17pm:
Gordon wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
I for one take great care around cyclists on the road. It costs you all of 10 seconds.




I think thats the key isn't it.

As a cyclist, I don't disagree that there are dickhead cyclists. There are also dickhead drivers.


Riding as a bunch as cyclists does 2 things.

1. We go quicker thereby holding you up slightly less
2. Its safer for us since we're a slighlty bigger obstruction.


Just imagine the cyclists is your son/daughter /brother/ sister.

The other day I saw an impatient car cut off a school kid on a bike. Lucky he had space to runoff.

My urge to catch and beat the driver senseless was barely contained



Was riding with a non bunch riding group on Sun (in other words, we were single file and spread out), one of the guys had a ute pass within a metre on 100 road, the driver then turned round came back abused this guy for riding on the road, got called out about how it was legal, then proceeded to drive past the cyclist again within the metre.
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Imrah wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:07pm:
Imrah wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:48pm:
Imrah wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:40pm:

Cyclists still pay the rego on their cars even when we leave them at home and ride our bikes, you know?  Don't be so jolly stingy about it!
It's un-Australian.   


Not all cyclists own a car.

Get 'em off the road - they're a menace.


You have an interesting attitude and taste for shadenfreude.  Not all car drivers pay rego, touche'.  You could use a ticket to Copenhagen, to see how 46% of a city commutes by bike. 

Are you disabled?  That might explain your opinion but not your attitude.


I don't live in Copenhagen (was very close last week, though) - I live in Perth, Western Australia.

In Perth, Western Australia, the majority of adult bike riders are rude pricks who disobey the law every five minutes, and abuse law-abiding motorists for no reason at all.

Get 'em off the roads (and footpaths).






Perth has seen a remarkable improvement in driver attitudes this year since the less lethal passing laws have started to become common knowledge.  Commuting has become quite a comfortable experience again after the last decade of road-rage. 

When it comes to the shared paths, if the cyclists are in good moods because of the good moods of the car drivers, it makes us treat the pedestrians more gently, and before you know it, everyone is happy again!

You shouldn't be so negative about the better parts of future.


Perth has seen a remarkable decline in cyclists' attitudes.
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greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:32pm:
Imrah wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:07pm:
Imrah wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:48pm:
Imrah wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:40pm:

Cyclists still pay the rego on their cars even when we leave them at home and ride our bikes, you know?  Don't be so jolly stingy about it!
It's un-Australian.   


Not all cyclists own a car.

Get 'em off the road - they're a menace.


You have an interesting attitude and taste for shadenfreude.  Not all car drivers pay rego, touche'.  You could use a ticket to Copenhagen, to see how 46% of a city commutes by bike. 

Are you disabled?  That might explain your opinion but not your attitude.


I don't live in Copenhagen (was very close last week, though) - I live in Perth, Western Australia.

In Perth, Western Australia, the majority of adult bike riders are rude pricks who disobey the law every five minutes, and abuse law-abiding motorists for no reason at all.

Get 'em off the roads (and footpaths).






Perth has seen a remarkable improvement in driver attitudes this year since the less lethal passing laws have started to become common knowledge.  Commuting has become quite a comfortable experience again after the last decade of road-rage. 

When it comes to the shared paths, if the cyclists are in good moods because of the good moods of the car drivers, it makes us treat the pedestrians more gently, and before you know it, everyone is happy again!

You shouldn't be so negative about the better parts of future.


Perth has seen a remarkable decline in cyclists' attitudes.


Bike hater.
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Reply #16 - May 30th, 2018 at 3:34pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:32pm:
Imrah wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:07pm:
Imrah wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:48pm:
Imrah wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:40pm:

Cyclists still pay the rego on their cars even when we leave them at home and ride our bikes, you know?  Don't be so jolly stingy about it!
It's un-Australian.   


Not all cyclists own a car.

Get 'em off the road - they're a menace.


You have an interesting attitude and taste for shadenfreude.  Not all car drivers pay rego, touche'.  You could use a ticket to Copenhagen, to see how 46% of a city commutes by bike. 

Are you disabled?  That might explain your opinion but not your attitude.


I don't live in Copenhagen (was very close last week, though) - I live in Perth, Western Australia.

In Perth, Western Australia, the majority of adult bike riders are rude pricks who disobey the law every five minutes, and abuse law-abiding motorists for no reason at all.

Get 'em off the roads (and footpaths).






Perth has seen a remarkable improvement in driver attitudes this year since the less lethal passing laws have started to become common knowledge.  Commuting has become quite a comfortable experience again after the last decade of road-rage. 

When it comes to the shared paths, if the cyclists are in good moods because of the good moods of the car drivers, it makes us treat the pedestrians more gently, and before you know it, everyone is happy again!

You shouldn't be so negative about the better parts of future.


Perth has seen a remarkable decline in cyclists' attitudes.




Isn;'t that a anecdotal subjective measure. And even if it is true, have you thought it may well be because they are sick of being treated like poo by drivers?
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Bojack Horseman wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:34pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:32pm:
Imrah wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:07pm:
Imrah wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:48pm:
Imrah wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:40pm:

Cyclists still pay the rego on their cars even when we leave them at home and ride our bikes, you know?  Don't be so jolly stingy about it!
It's un-Australian.   


Not all cyclists own a car.

Get 'em off the road - they're a menace.


You have an interesting attitude and taste for shadenfreude.  Not all car drivers pay rego, touche'.  You could use a ticket to Copenhagen, to see how 46% of a city commutes by bike. 

Are you disabled?  That might explain your opinion but not your attitude.


I don't live in Copenhagen (was very close last week, though) - I live in Perth, Western Australia.

In Perth, Western Australia, the majority of adult bike riders are rude pricks who disobey the law every five minutes, and abuse law-abiding motorists for no reason at all.

Get 'em off the roads (and footpaths).






Perth has seen a remarkable improvement in driver attitudes this year since the less lethal passing laws have started to become common knowledge.  Commuting has become quite a comfortable experience again after the last decade of road-rage. 

When it comes to the shared paths, if the cyclists are in good moods because of the good moods of the car drivers, it makes us treat the pedestrians more gently, and before you know it, everyone is happy again!

You shouldn't be so negative about the better parts of future.


Perth has seen a remarkable decline in cyclists' attitudes.




Isn;'t that a anecdotal subjective measure. And even if it is true, have you thought it may well be because they are sick of being treated like poo by drivers?


From my observations (mainly in the CBD and surrounding areas), the cyclists are the ones treating everyone else like poo.

Every single day I see them break the law, abuse pedestrians, and intimidate drivers.

And, they're just getting worse.

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So one anecdote good.
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Bojack Horseman wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:40pm:
So one anecdote good.


I see it every single day, without fail.

I saw it (mindless abuse) happen not more than an hour ago.

As far as breaking the law goes, I see that happening out of my office window on a regular basis.

Cyclists are out of control in Perth.

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greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:32pm:
Perth has seen a remarkable decline in cyclists' attitudes.

Yeah well don't you worry, Greggery.  It will catch on gradually, but don't be left behind with yesterday's news.  Cyclists are human, pedestrians are human, and car drivers are human, and if you try to focus on the similarities and get your mind off the differences, you'll be speaking Danish before you know it. 

There has been a significant improvement overall in our mutual objectives entirely due to the passing laws, so recognise it and get over the past.  People in Perth can be nice to each other on the roads again now.  Why don't you be happy too now?
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Imrah wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:51pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:32pm:
Perth has seen a remarkable decline in cyclists' attitudes.

Yeah well don't you worry, Greggery.  It will catch on gradually, but don't be left behind with yesterday's news.  Cyclists are human, pedestrians are human, and car drivers are human, and if you try to focus on the similarities and get your mind off the differences, you'll be speaking Danish before you know it. 

There has been a significant improvement overall in our mutual objectives entirely due to the passing laws, so recognise it and get over the past.  People in Perth can be nice to each other on the roads again now.  Why don't you be happy too now?


I'm nice to everyone on the road, and on the footpaths.

Cyclists, however, are not.

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I, for one, am happy to share the road with cyclists

However, I believe cyclists should be identifiable.

Number plates should be fitted to every bike ridden on the road, to assist in reporting those who break the law, intimidate drivers, damage vehicles or otherwise create a menace.

Those cyclists who argue against such measures have something to hide

Why do you want to hide your identity?

What are you doing wrong that you do not want your identity known?

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Valkie wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 4:02pm:
I, for one, am happy to share the road with cyclists

However, I believe cyclists should be identifiable.

Number plates should be fitted to every bike ridden on the road, to assist in reporting those who break the law, intimidate drivers, damage vehicles or otherwise create a menace.

Those cyclists who argue against such measures have something to hide

Why do you want to hide your identity?

What are you doing wrong that you do not want your identity known?



We had 'em before.

We can have 'em again.

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Valkie wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 4:02pm:
I, for one, am happy to share the road with cyclists

However, I believe cyclists should be identifiable.

Number plates should be fitted to every bike ridden on the road, to assist in reporting those who break the law, intimidate drivers, damage vehicles or otherwise create a menace.

Those cyclists who argue against such measures have something to hide

Why do you want to hide your identity?

What are you doing wrong that you do not want your identity known?





How do you suggest I affix it so it can be seen from the rear, without causing a huge amount of drag?
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greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 4:03pm:
Valkie wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 4:02pm:
I, for one, am happy to share the road with cyclists

However, I believe cyclists should be identifiable.

Number plates should be fitted to every bike ridden on the road, to assist in reporting those who break the law, intimidate drivers, damage vehicles or otherwise create a menace.

Those cyclists who argue against such measures have something to hide

Why do you want to hide your identity?

What are you doing wrong that you do not want your identity known?



We had 'em before.

We can have 'em again.

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Not worried about that, I'm more worried that it will take K's off my average speed.
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Valkie wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 4:02pm:
I, for one, am happy to share the road with cyclists

However, I believe cyclists should be identifiable.

Number plates should be fitted to every bike ridden on the road, to assist in reporting those who break the law, intimidate drivers, damage vehicles or otherwise create a menace.

Those cyclists who argue against such measures have something to hide

Why do you want to hide your identity?

What are you doing wrong that you do not want your identity known?





How do you suggest I affix it so it can be seen from the rear, without causing a huge amount of drag?


You serious?  How much drag do you expect at 10kph?  Jesus - even replica aircraft sometimes have a fixed undercarriage because installing a retractable one is not worth it at the speed the replica may fly.... and that's a lot faster than your bike...


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Reply #27 - May 30th, 2018 at 4:10pm
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 4:06pm:
Valkie wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 4:02pm:
I, for one, am happy to share the road with cyclists

However, I believe cyclists should be identifiable.

Number plates should be fitted to every bike ridden on the road, to assist in reporting those who break the law, intimidate drivers, damage vehicles or otherwise create a menace.

Those cyclists who argue against such measures have something to hide

Why do you want to hide your identity?

What are you doing wrong that you do not want your identity known?





How do you suggest I affix it so it can be seen from the rear, without causing a huge amount of drag?


I've got an idea where you can stick it    Cool

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I'm nice to everyone on the road, and on the footpaths.
Cyclists, however, are not.

I am sorry to hear that you have made bad observations, but don't generalise about other people because you invite other people to generalise about you. 

Do you honestly believe that there is not a single, living, decent cyclist in Australia?  If that is the case then I hope you die back.
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Reply #29 - May 30th, 2018 at 4:11pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 4:10pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 4:06pm:
Valkie wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 4:02pm:
I, for one, am happy to share the road with cyclists

However, I believe cyclists should be identifiable.

Number plates should be fitted to every bike ridden on the road, to assist in reporting those who break the law, intimidate drivers, damage vehicles or otherwise create a menace.

Those cyclists who argue against such measures have something to hide

Why do you want to hide your identity?

What are you doing wrong that you do not want your identity known?





How do you suggest I affix it so it can be seen from the rear, without causing a huge amount of drag?


I've got an idea where you can stick it    Cool



How will that be seen.
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Reply #30 - May 30th, 2018 at 4:16pm
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 4:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 4:10pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 4:06pm:
Valkie wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 4:02pm:
I, for one, am happy to share the road with cyclists

However, I believe cyclists should be identifiable.

Number plates should be fitted to every bike ridden on the road, to assist in reporting those who break the law, intimidate drivers, damage vehicles or otherwise create a menace.

Those cyclists who argue against such measures have something to hide

Why do you want to hide your identity?

What are you doing wrong that you do not want your identity known?





How do you suggest I affix it so it can be seen from the rear, without causing a huge amount of drag?


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How will that be seen.


I'm guessing it'll be seen as offensive.

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So back to the original point.
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Rider training needed?  These are professionals at work....

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BTW - the argument put forward that double riding is better than single file for motorists to overtake is totally absurd... it's frankly scary when you've got two clowns riding side by side and chatting away and not paying attention.. only need to wander a bit and bang....
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Rider training needed?  These are professionals at work....

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That video is not relevant to road riders. Even pro teams on training rides ride as 2 side by side because they are on open roads.
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Rider training needed?  These are professionals at work....

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/052010/1274435219_massive-cicling-accident.gif

BTW - the argument put forward that double riding is better than single file for motorists to overtake is totally absurd... it's frankly scary when you've got two clowns riding side by side and chatting away and not paying attention.. only need to wander a bit and bang....



And you know this from your years of experience riding in a bunch?
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Look, Ma - no brain....

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So back to the original point.


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So back to the original point.


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BTW - the argument put forward that double riding is better than single file for motorists to overtake is totally absurd... it's frankly scary when you've got two clowns riding side by side and chatting away and not paying attention.. only need to wander a bit and bang....


On dual-carriageways or on single-lane roads, and if the latter then what width of road, and how much traffic is passing in either direction?

If it is a dual-carriageway, then you merge to the right lane and leave the vehicle you are passing the entire left lane, technically.
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BTW - the argument put forward that double riding is better than single file for motorists to overtake is totally absurd... it's frankly scary when you've got two clowns riding side by side and chatting away and not paying attention.. only need to wander a bit and bang....


On dual-carriageways or on single-lane roads, and if the latter then what width of road, and how much traffic is passing in either direction?

If it is a dual-carriageway, then you merge to the right lane and leave the vehicle you are passing the entire left lane, technically.


Our 'dual carriage' has a bike or safety lane - wide enough for a car - there should be no need to pull over into the other lane to pass a bike.... are they supposed to be on freeways?

Here's Peccary's biker attitude in Perth for you:-

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BTW - the argument put forward that double riding is better than single file for motorists to overtake is totally absurd... it's frankly scary when you've got two clowns riding side by side and chatting away and not paying attention.. only need to wander a bit and bang....


On dual-carriageways or on single-lane roads, and if the latter then what width of road, and how much traffic is passing in either direction?

If it is a dual-carriageway, then you merge to the right lane and leave the vehicle you are passing the entire left lane, technically.


Our 'dual carriage' has a bike or safety lane - wide enough for a car - there should be no need to pull over into the other lane to pass a bike.... are they supposed to be on freeways?

Here's Peccary's biker attitude in Perth for you:-

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Yes they are allowed to be on freeways,
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Our 'dual carriage' has a bike or safety lane - wide enough for a car - there should be no need to pull over into the other lane to pass a bike.... are they supposed to be on freeways?


If you look very closely when you get on the freeway in Perth, you might notice signs on the left that say 'No Bicycles' or words to that effect. 

Let me put it this way, mate.  Only a suicidal cyclist would deliberately ride down the middle of the road in front of an approaching car for no other reason than to risk their life.  In most cases there would usually be some valid reason, because there is a much higher degree of danger on a bike in the city than in a car. 

It does not make any logical sense except as some kind of political statement, and if that is the case, then all I can write is that they'll get over it when the animosity that they have to put up with on the roads calms down.  I am sorry that there are those amongst us who cannot see the big picture of this little commuter war and lift their game like most Western Australian drivers have since last December.

It is much safer to do what Gillard and Brown told us and be nice to the Sky God when we travel in the city now.  Your grand children will than you one day for your kindness and courteous manners to your friendly neighbourhood cyclists, (if that's not taking it too far).
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Bojack Horseman wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 4:29pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 4:27pm:
Imrah wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 4:25pm:
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BTW - the argument put forward that double riding is better than single file for motorists to overtake is totally absurd... it's frankly scary when you've got two clowns riding side by side and chatting away and not paying attention.. only need to wander a bit and bang....


On dual-carriageways or on single-lane roads, and if the latter then what width of road, and how much traffic is passing in either direction?

If it is a dual-carriageway, then you merge to the right lane and leave the vehicle you are passing the entire left lane, technically.


Our 'dual carriage' has a bike or safety lane - wide enough for a car - there should be no need to pull over into the other lane to pass a bike.... are they supposed to be on freeways?

Here's Peccary's biker attitude in Perth for you:-

https://media1.tenor.com/images/e265f23cbfd2bade0c31b8867542d3f0/tenor.gif






Yes they are allowed to be on freeways,


Yup - in that clearly marked lane on the side.... not down the middle to 'stand on their rights' etc.  Anyone that stupid deserves to be hit.
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Ye Grappler wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 4:27pm:
Our 'dual carriage' has a bike or safety lane - wide enough for a car - there should be no need to pull over into the other lane to pass a bike.... are they supposed to be on freeways?


If you look very closely when you get on the freeway in Perth, you might notice signs on the left that say 'No Bicycles' or words to that effect. 

Let me put it this way, mate.  Only a suicidal cyclist would deliberately ride down the middle of the road in front of an approaching car for no other reason than to risk their life.  In most cases there would usually be some valid reason, because there is a much higher degree of danger on a bike in the city than in a car. 

It does not make any logical sense except as some kind of political statement, and if that is the case, then all I can write is that they'll get over it when the animosity that they have to put up with on the roads calms down.  I am sorry that there are those amongst us who cannot see the big picture of this little commuter war and lift their game like most Western Australian drivers have since last December.

It is much safer to do what Gillard and Brown told us and be nice to the Sky God when we travel in the city now.  Your grand children will than you one day for your kindness and courteous manners to your friendly neighbourhood cyclists, (if that's not taking it too far).



Can you think of a valid reason to ride in the centre of the lane?  It's acceptable on some roads around here because they are notoriously narrow - but then there isn't a heap of traffic either, and it's easy to go around them - as I do in - the other lane, giving them a very wide berth.

I treat them with courtesy and respect - I expect the same.
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Yup - in that clearly marked lane on the side.... not down the middle to 'stand on their rights' etc.  Anyone that stupid deserves to be hit.

Do you have any videos available of these events, because it seems like something extremely rare, that I've never noticed before.  Are you sure you're not exaggerating just a smidgeon?
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Ye Grappler wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 5:29pm:
Yup - in that clearly marked lane on the side.... not down the middle to 'stand on their rights' etc.  Anyone that stupid deserves to be hit.

Do you have any videos available of these events, because it seems like something extremely rare, that I've never noticed before.  Are you sure you're not exaggerating just a smidgeon?


I've seen it myself...and it's been on the news, followed by assaults on motorists by bike riders...

Though it may be a minor offence against reason and decency, as well as being abysmally stupid and self-entitled - it does happen.

You don't read too well, do you?  Only what you choose to see......

Exactly the style that Mr Peccary was complaining about in the bike community - an incredible sense of self-entitlement and right to abuse others.
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I've seen it myself...and it's been on the news, followed by assaults on motorists by bike riders...

Though it may be a minor offence against reason and decency, as well as being abysmally stupid and self-entitled - it does happen.

I'm really sad to read that you have had bad examples, Ya.  This is the reason why today's enlightened cyclists actively enourage other cyclists to be considerate of pedestrians like they would have car drivers be considerate of us, and try to set a good example of responsible cycling in the city.

One example which might be helpful to you in getting over your resentment of ALL cyclists is me.  Do you know what I have made a point of remembering to do now because of the great improvement in the way that almost all Perth cars now give me sufficient room when they drive past so as not to make my heart beat faster than it already is?

Apart from just trying to engage other road users in a friendly and considerate manner, I make a point of not stopping at the red light at the front on the green strip across the road where the government expectx cycllsts to stop now: in front of the cars.

Oh no, no me now because I want to share the mutual harmony with my friends now, and so I filter down the lanes like usual, but when I get to the back of the very first car at the lights, I wait behind them rather than filtering forward to get in front of them.  I think that is one way to piss off the car driver at the front, and I can see a point in such offence. 

It is much the same as pulling up at the side of their front window because they can't see oncoming traffic through the cyclist, so I don't do that either.  I just stop at around their back wheel, and then I can tuck in behind them for a bit when the light goes green and we all get there a little faster as well as much friendlier and happier.

This is the change that is happening in Perth right now, and it is great progress after all the road rage that was going on for the last decade.

I can read okay, but some things sometimes seem more relevant than others.
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Reply #48 - May 30th, 2018 at 6:20pm
 
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Ye Grappler wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 5:38pm:
I've seen it myself...and it's been on the news, followed by assaults on motorists by bike riders...

Though it may be a minor offence against reason and decency, as well as being abysmally stupid and self-entitled - it does happen.

I'm really sad to read that you have had bad examples, Ya.  This is the reason why today's enlightened cyclists actively enourage other cyclists to be considerate of pedestrians like they would have car drivers be considerate of us, and try to set a good example of responsible cycling in the city.

One example which might be helpful to you in getting over your resentment of ALL cyclists is me.  Do you know what I have made a point of remembering to do now because of the great improvement in the way that almost all Perth cars now give me sufficient room when they drive past so as not to make my heart beat faster than it already is?

Apart from just trying to engage other road users in a friendly and considerate manner, I make a point of not stopping at the red light at the front on the green strip across the road where the government expectx cycllsts to stop now: in front of the cars.

Oh no, no me now because I want to share the mutual harmony with my friends now, and so I filter down the lanes like usual, but when I get to the back of the very first car at the lights, I wait behind them rather than filtering forward to get in front of them.  I think that is one way to piss off the car driver at the front, and I can see a point in such offence. 

It is much the same as pulling up at the side of their front window because they can't see oncoming traffic through the cyclist, so I don't do that either.  I just stop at around their back wheel, and then I can tuck in behind them for a bit when the light goes green and we all get there a little faster as well as much friendlier and happier.

This is the change that is happening in Perth right now, and it is great progress after all the road rage that was going on for the last decade.

I can read okay, but some things sometimes seem more relevant than others.


I find it hard to imagine that motorists are not considerate of pedestrians... though I'm sure there are incidents of 'road rage' over pedestrians doing stupid things.  Again I've seen it myself - traveling down Pitt Street in Sydney on a wet road to see a shoal of pedestrians break from a footpath against the red light and force me to brake, and skid a little.. some then abused me for frightening them by braking.  Not much you can tell me about cyclists in Sydney Metro area... I think I've seen it all.

What 'resentment of all cyclists'?  You really haven't read what I've been posting, have you?  I treat them with respect and courtesy - I simply expect the same.  that's twice I've said that, and I've given examples of how I am very conscientious about moving as far away from them as possible while overtaking.

Good to see you are trying to do the right thing.... but the sense of entitlement is showing.  Making a point is not worth losing your life.
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What 'resentment of all cyclists'?  You really haven't read what I've been posting, have you?  I treat them with respect and courtesy - I simply expect the same.  that's twice I've said that, and I've given examples of how I am very conscientious about moving as far away from them as possible while overtaking.

Good to see you are trying to do the right thing.... but the sense of entitlement is showing.  Making a point is not worth losing your life.

Oh dear.  Have I mixed you up with someone else in this thread?  Were you one of my new friends who wrote something about cyclists clowning around in the middle of the road and giving us all a bad name?

I am sorry if I misread someone else's anger at cyclists, that being ALL cyclists, of which I am one, and why I felt obliged to correct the record.  Also hooligans are everywhere but they're mostly in the minority if we exclude certain ball games.  They come in cars and bikes.  That was why I meant to illustrate that there are some cyclists around who want to make the roads work best for all of us, including the cars.  There is a change in progress since 2017 and I can feel it now when I ride.  It's great, mate.  Let's not upset the balance right now.
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Ye Grappler wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 6:20pm:
What 'resentment of all cyclists'?  You really haven't read what I've been posting, have you?  I treat them with respect and courtesy - I simply expect the same.  that's twice I've said that, and I've given examples of how I am very conscientious about moving as far away from them as possible while overtaking.

Good to see you are trying to do the right thing.... but the sense of entitlement is showing.  Making a point is not worth losing your life.

Oh dear.  Have I mixed you up with someone else in this thread?  Were you one of my new friends who wrote something about cyclists clowning around in the middle of the road and giving us all a bad name?

I am sorry if I misread someone else's anger at cyclists, that being ALL cyclists, of which I am one, and why I felt obliged to correct the record.  Also hooligans are everywhere but they're mostly in the minority if we exclude certain ball games.  They come in cars and bikes.  That was why I meant to illustrate that there are some cyclists around who want to make the roads work best for all of us, including the cars.  There is a change in progress since 2017 and I can feel it now when I ride.  It's great, mate.  Let's not upset the balance right now.


Possibly... I've done that myself once or twice...

Yes - it would be much better if everyone on the roads just abided by the rules.

You should see my statement over being tail-gated and such by two small trucks yesterday - for slowing down to 100kph in front of them in a 100 zone.  It was double lane freeway and all they had to do if they wanted to go faster than 100 was go around - but no - they picked on the wrong guy.  If I'd been alone and not with four ladies on board.....  Unfortunately for them, my passengers got their numbers and a video.  I'm waiting on a response from the business owner before contacting police, but if I don't hear by tomorrow morning, I'm off to the local constabulary.
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How can you overtake another cyclist if there is a single file rule?
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How can you overtake another cyclist if there is a single file rule?


Who said anything about one bicycle overtaking another?  That's legit... like everyone else you overtake and then move back to the left.
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What if it takes you five minutes to overtake?



You die...... sometimes you get trucks doing that - overtaking in the 110 zone when they can't keep up with cars, and then hitting a hill and being unable to get past the other truck... road blocked.

I've seen a three lane uphill with three trucks side by side, each one further to the right trying to beat the others up the hill..... stuff the traffic and cars.... some countries have a rule that trucks etcmay only use the left lane(s).

Picture seven lycra wearers, each stoking his ego and thinking he can get past the others...... and all at the same time....

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You should see my statement over being tail-gated and such by two small trucks yesterday - for slowing down to 100kph in front of them in a 100 zone.  It was double lane freeway and all they had to do if they wanted to go faster than 100 was go around - but no - they picked on the wrong guy. 

That is brilliant!  That is so much like what a lone cyclist feels like in a typically narrow left lane when there's barely enough room for two cars to pass side-by-side, but they do anyway. 

That is the main adjustment to people's driving styles that the new passing laws in WA have made.  When I see two cars, side-by-side coming up behind me in the mirror, (like the 2 small trucks you mention), now the normal process is that the one in the left lane behind me hops in behind the one on the right, at least straddling the lane marker, so they are sure to give me that metre gap which is such a less frightening event than having two cars try to squeeze past together with a few inches between our mirrors. 

I hope the boss of that business can give the drivers some gentle advice so they don't get upset and seek vengeance on you, Ya.
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Ye Grappler wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 7:04pm:
You should see my statement over being tail-gated and such by two small trucks yesterday - for slowing down to 100kph in front of them in a 100 zone.  It was double lane freeway and all they had to do if they wanted to go faster than 100 was go around - but no - they picked on the wrong guy. 

That is brilliant!  That is so much like what a lone cyclist feels like in a typically narrow left lane when there's barely enough room for two cars to pass side-by-side, but they do anyway. 

That is the main adjustment to people's driving styles that the new passing laws in WA have made.  When I see two cars, side-by-side coming up behind me in the mirror, (like the 2 small trucks you mention), now the normal process is that the one in the left lane behind me hops in behind the one on the right, at least straddling the lane marker, so they are sure to give me that metre gap which is such a less frightening event than having two cars try to squeeze past together with a few inches between our mirrors. 

I hope the boss of that business can give the drivers some gentle advice so they don't get upset and seek vengeance on you, Ya.   



In that case I slow down and wait until the road is clear enough for me to go around the cycle with a wide berth.  as I said - some of the roads around here are very narrow, some of them are major roads, too, and long overdue for upgrading.  Trouble is it's part council and part national parks.... both wait for the other to do some work, and for the Fed to offer money, so they dawdle until the government is forced to fund it lavishly.

It's a tourist destination and The Lakes Way is terrifying for people who don't know it - twisty, hilly, and narrow in places, along with patches of broken down surface and some low-lying damp spots that break up and distort all the time.

Check this bit:-
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I know the road well, so I'm fine, but  visitors find it terrifying, especially those with caravans and big campers.
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If those guys are that dumb, they'll really be in trouble.
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I know the road well, so I'm fine, but visitors find it terrifying, especially those with caravans and big campers.

I see that (90) sign at the apex.  A good example of why it is often advisable to to start long journeys early in the morning and find a nightly destination in the afternoon when there is still good daylight.  That road would be a lot more frightening on a dark night if I'd never driven it before and wasn't prepared, caravan or not.

About time for me to say thanks for the friendly chat and sorry if I argued with you when I shouldn't have, and then didn't take the first hint.  Have a good night, Mr Grappler.
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That looks like Karen Pini, and Paul Hogan's stunt man.

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That looks like Karen Pini, and Paul Hogan's stunt man.



Could be - see the tyres in the ute?
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I know the road well, so I'm fine, but visitors find it terrifying, especially those with caravans and big campers.

I see that (90) sign at the apex.  A good example of why it is often advisable to to start long journeys early in the morning and find a nightly destination in the afternoon when there is still good daylight.  That road would be a lot more frightening on a dark night if I'd never driven it before and wasn't prepared, caravan or not.

About time for me to say thanks for the friendly chat and sorry if I argued with you when I shouldn't have, and then didn't take the first hint.  Have a good night, Mr Grappler.


You, too.  Yes - it's scary at night... people drive off it often, especially people who don't know it... they get scared and freeze, and the last two were a small 4wd that ran into a drain on a bend and a Falcon that ran off the embankment of a raised section across farmland that was once swamp and still floods (so it's raised ten feet or so)... now it's Autumn/Winter and it fogs at dusk anyway.  Sad
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Ye Grappler wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 4:22pm:


That looks like Karen Pini, and Paul Hogan's stunt man.



Could be - see the tyres in the ute?


Looks like an old Leo Wanker sketch.

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Oh, Imrah - you need to get used to my wicked sense of humour..... a lot of what I put is not serious, but when I lapse into serious professorspeak, I am deadly serious...

People used to know what to expect when I turned up - white Jaguar - humour... black Daimler... serious.
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Oh, Imrah - you need to get used to my wicked sense of humour..... a lot of what I put is not serious, but when I lapse into serious professorspeak, I am deadly serious...

Good morning and thank you.  Yesterday I was confused because it seemed as though someone with half a brain suddenly turned into a half-wit, and all the time I was replying to you there was a thought in the back of my mind telling me, "This can't be the same bloke."

All harmless when the day is over.  I refuse to go back and read over yesterday's posts because that would be telling my memory that it's not worth the neurons its written on. 

Much of this first week here has taught me that the level of humour at this forum is quite primitive, so that might be why I missed your subtle wit.  Mothers who spend a long time surrounded by hoards of children sometimes make similar mistakes out of habit when confronted with the occasional grownup.

I'll take your advice and read some people's posts with more careful concentration than the average,.  Happy Thursday!
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Have no problem with cyclists, providing they are not idiots who take up the whole road as some of them seem to take delight in doing.
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Have no problem with cyclists, providing they are not idiots who take up the whole road as some of them seem to take delight in doing.


Yes - agreed.  I particularly love the ones who double up and then swerve about while chatting, not paying attention - you are forced, as a driver, to hang back rather than just go around because they might suddenly swing out without warning.  Kids can be the worst since they often get so engrossed in their 'tricks' they forget about big, heavy, metal cars .... that go bang on the bike....

As for 'making a statement' about their 'rights' - better to be alive than a dead statement.
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Won't be happening here in WA. Our useless road safety minister says so. Same as she won't do anything about the idiots using their mobile phones while driving epidemic.

https://thewest.com.au/news/perth/michelle-roberts-rejects-call-for-single-file-...

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So back to the original point.


http://images.theage.com.au/2009/04/11/471120/PM_bike-420x0.jpg


Motorcycle number plates are nowhere near that size.
This is just being hysterical.

A simple thing like a number plate would help weed out the riders you say are bad examples.

Or is it that ALL cyclists are bad examples?
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So back to the original point.


http://images.theage.com.au/2009/04/11/471120/PM_bike-420x0.jpg


Motorcycle number plates are nowhere near that size.
This is just being hysterical.

A simple thing like a number plate would help weed out the riders you say are bad examples.

Or is it that ALL cyclists are bad examples?



If they don't want plates - if the city bike couriers don't want numbers on their vests...... they must have something to hide......

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[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1527654453/36#36 date=1527661370]A simple thing like a number plate would help weed out the riders you say are bad examples.


A simple thing?  What about Christmas time?  Can you imagine every 3yo in the country passing a driving test before before they're allowed to unwrap their presents under the tree, because one of them is a bike?

It's not a simple thing at all.  It's another bureaucratic nightmare in the making.  Another grievous attack on human rights, because every pedestrian would need number plate riveted onto the backs of their heads by the same token.

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[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1527654453/36#36 date=1527661370]A simple thing like a number plate would help weed out the riders you say are bad examples.


A simple thing?  What about Christmas time?  Can you imagine every 3yo in the country passing a driving test before before they're allowed to unwrap their presents under the tree, because one of them is a bike?

It's not a simple thing at all.  It's another bureaucratic nightmare in the making.  Another grievous attack on human rights, because every pedestrian would need number plate riveted onto the backs of their heads by the same token.

Anyway, good morning fellows.  I hope you all had a nice weekend. I had a long one.



Okay....so you let your 3yr old ride down a busy road full of cars doing 60+ kilometers an hour? I think a number plate is the least of your childs concerns.
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[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1527654453/36#36 date=1527661370]A simple thing like a number plate would help weed out the riders you say are bad examples.


A simple thing?  What about Christmas time?  Can you imagine every 3yo in the country passing a driving test before before they're allowed to unwrap their presents under the tree, because one of them is a bike?

It's not a simple thing at all.  It's another bureaucratic nightmare in the making.  Another grievous attack on human rights, because every pedestrian would need number plate riveted onto the backs of their heads by the same token.

Anyway, good morning fellows.  I hope you all had a nice weekend. I had a long one.



Okay....so you let your 3yr old ride down a busy road full of cars doing 60+ kilometers an hour? I think a number plate is the least of your childs concerns.

That's the subject of this bigoted thread, isn't it?  Idiot cyclists invading the territory of humble motorists going about their own business of smogging up the atmosphere with their personal fossil-fulled power stations that they paid their hard-earned money for, that's what it's all about, sonny boy.  The Cars! 

Don't forget those bloody pedestrians who blatantly walk on roads that they have not paid for the privilege like our blessed car drivers, who are always courteous, never idiots, and never break the rules ever. 

Those pedestrians should have flurouescent yellow stars tattoed on their foreheads so that innocent motorists can see them in the dark if they feel the urge to drive along the footpaths.  Get them off the roads before they put up my insurance premiums.  Look what those damn pedestrians have done to the cost of registration in WA now!  It was not McGowan's fault.  It's those blasted pedestrians who keep maiming and killing themselves by being idiots and stepping in front of innocent two-tonne SUVs. 

I say we should make them all catch the bus, that's what I reckon.

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Valkie wrote on Jun 5th, 2018 at 7:53pm:
[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1527654453/36#36 date=1527661370]A simple thing like a number plate would help weed out the riders you say are bad examples.


A simple thing?  What about Christmas time?  Can you imagine every 3yo in the country passing a driving test before before they're allowed to unwrap their presents under the tree, because one of them is a bike?

It's not a simple thing at all.  It's another bureaucratic nightmare in the making.  Another grievous attack on human rights, because every pedestrian would need number plate riveted onto the backs of their heads by the same token.

Anyway, good morning fellows.  I hope you all had a nice weekend. I had a long one.



Okay....so you let your 3yr old ride down a busy road full of cars doing 60+ kilometers an hour? I think a number plate is the least of your childs concerns.

That's the subject of this bigoted thread, isn't it?  Idiot cyclists invading the territory of humble motorists going about their own business of smogging up the atmosphere with their personal fossil-fulled power stations that they paid their hard-earned money for, that's what it's all about, sonny boy.  The Cars! 

Don't forget those bloody pedestrians who blatantly walk on roads that they have not paid for the privilege like our blessed car drivers, who are always courteous, never idiots, and never break the rules ever. 

Those pedestrians should have flurouescent yellow stars tattoed on their foreheads so that innocent motorists can see them in the dark if they feel the urge to drive along the footpaths.  Get them off the roads before they put up my insurance premiums.  Look what those damn pedestrians have done to the cost of registration in WA now!  It was not McGowan's fault.  It's those blasted pedestrians who keep maiming and killing themselves by being idiots and stepping in front of innocent two-tonne SUVs. 

I say we should make them all catch the bus, that's what I reckon.




I don't know if WA has caught up yet but those pesky pedestrians face a J walking fine here in Qld if they decide to step out in front of motor vehicles. Pedestrians have designated crossings clearly marked on the road.
I do not have a problem with cycling in a bicycle lane/path. None at all.
However those that ride 3 or 4 wide, taking up a lane and not allowing faster traffic through due to their self rightousness, wearing nothing more than a piece of extremely thin material as protection I do have a problem with.
For starters they have no consideration for THEIR personal safety. They say it's because they need to get there .003 of a second faster. Hmmmmm. I personally believe it's because they think they are on level with cadel evans. I curse motorcyclists that wear thongs and shorts on their bike as well. They're idiots.
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[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1527654453/36#36 date=1527661370]A simple thing like a number plate would help weed out the riders you say are bad examples.


A simple thing?  What about Christmas time?  Can you imagine every 3yo in the country passing a driving test before before they're allowed to unwrap their presents under the tree, because one of them is a bike?

It's not a simple thing at all.  It's another bureaucratic nightmare in the making.  Another grievous attack on human rights, because every pedestrian would need number plate riveted onto the backs of their heads by the same token.

Anyway, good morning fellows.  I hope you all had a nice weekend. I had a long one.



Okay....so you let your 3yr old ride down a busy road full of cars doing 60+ kilometers an hour? I think a number plate is the least of your childs concerns.

That's the subject of this bigoted thread, isn't it?  Idiot cyclists invading the territory of humble motorists going about their own business of smogging up the atmosphere with their personal fossil-fulled power stations that they paid their hard-earned money for, that's what it's all about, sonny boy.  The Cars! 

Don't forget those bloody pedestrians who blatantly walk on roads that they have not paid for the privilege like our blessed car drivers, who are always courteous, never idiots, and never break the rules ever. 

Those pedestrians should have flurouescent yellow stars tattoed on their foreheads so that innocent motorists can see them in the dark if they feel the urge to drive along the footpaths.  Get them off the roads before they put up my insurance premiums.  Look what those damn pedestrians have done to the cost of registration in WA now!  It was not McGowan's fault.  It's those blasted pedestrians who keep maiming and killing themselves by being idiots and stepping in front of innocent two-tonne SUVs. 

I say we should make them all catch the bus, that's what I reckon.




I don't know if WA has caught up yet but those pesky pedestrians face a J walking fine here in Qld if they decide to step out in front of motor vehicles. Pedestrians have designated crossings clearly marked on the road.
I do not have a problem with cycling in a bicycle lane/path. None at all.
However those that ride 3 or 4 wide, taking up a lane and not allowing faster traffic through due to their self rightousness, wearing nothing more than a piece of extremely thin material as protection I do have a problem with.
For starters they have no consideration for THEIR personal safety. They say it's because they need to get there .003 of a second faster. Hmmmmm. I personally believe it's because they think they are on level with cadel evans. I curse motorcyclists that wear thongs and shorts on their bike as well. They're idiots.


Why don't you run them down and teach them a lesson?  You can always say it was their fault and everyone will believe you, especially if they're dead.   
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Imrah wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:43pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:30pm:
Imrah wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:00pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 11:49am:
Imrah wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 10:21am:
Valkie wrote on Jun 5th, 2018 at 7:53pm:
[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1527654453/36#36 date=1527661370]A simple thing like a number plate would help weed out the riders you say are bad examples.


A simple thing?  What about Christmas time?  Can you imagine every 3yo in the country passing a driving test before before they're allowed to unwrap their presents under the tree, because one of them is a bike?

It's not a simple thing at all.  It's another bureaucratic nightmare in the making.  Another grievous attack on human rights, because every pedestrian would need number plate riveted onto the backs of their heads by the same token.

Anyway, good morning fellows.  I hope you all had a nice weekend. I had a long one.



Okay....so you let your 3yr old ride down a busy road full of cars doing 60+ kilometers an hour? I think a number plate is the least of your childs concerns.

That's the subject of this bigoted thread, isn't it?  Idiot cyclists invading the territory of humble motorists going about their own business of smogging up the atmosphere with their personal fossil-fulled power stations that they paid their hard-earned money for, that's what it's all about, sonny boy.  The Cars! 

Don't forget those bloody pedestrians who blatantly walk on roads that they have not paid for the privilege like our blessed car drivers, who are always courteous, never idiots, and never break the rules ever. 

Those pedestrians should have flurouescent yellow stars tattoed on their foreheads so that innocent motorists can see them in the dark if they feel the urge to drive along the footpaths.  Get them off the roads before they put up my insurance premiums.  Look what those damn pedestrians have done to the cost of registration in WA now!  It was not McGowan's fault.  It's those blasted pedestrians who keep maiming and killing themselves by being idiots and stepping in front of innocent two-tonne SUVs. 

I say we should make them all catch the bus, that's what I reckon.




I don't know if WA has caught up yet but those pesky pedestrians face a J walking fine here in Qld if they decide to step out in front of motor vehicles. Pedestrians have designated crossings clearly marked on the road.
I do not have a problem with cycling in a bicycle lane/path. None at all.
However those that ride 3 or 4 wide, taking up a lane and not allowing faster traffic through due to their self rightousness, wearing nothing more than a piece of extremely thin material as protection I do have a problem with.
For starters they have no consideration for THEIR personal safety. They say it's because they need to get there .003 of a second faster. Hmmmmm. I personally believe it's because they think they are on level with cadel evans. I curse motorcyclists that wear thongs and shorts on their bike as well. They're idiots.


Why don't you run them down and teach them a lesson?  You can always say it was their fault and everyone will believe you, especially if they're dead.   



Because I don't want to scratch my bullbar......dur!
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Because I don't want to scratch my bullbar......dur!

Use a stolen car and then they can't track your licence plate either.
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Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:45pm:
Because I don't want to scratch my bullbar......dur!

Use a stolen car and then they can't track your licence plate either.



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Have I upset you precious.... Grin

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Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:56pm:
Imrah wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:48pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:45pm:
Because I don't want to scratch my bullbar......dur!

Use a stolen car and then they can't track your licence plate either.



Awww.
Have I upset you precious.... Grin


Are you imagining things, Captain?  I'm having a most fun time enjoying the revelation of the true state of bigotry on the roads of modern Australia. 

Just one question regarding those evil cyclists who plague you so relentlessly everywhere you blow your nice poisonous smoke up in the air, just trying to make you waste all that fuel you could be spending wisely at the red light up the road with the other gridlocked traffic. 

If they were four wide, then that makes four of them, but how long was the pelaton?  How many nasty cyclists in total were there in the average political statement that you have had to suffer in your daily travels?  If they were four wide, then one would assume that they were at least ten long, and if 4 x 10 = 40 cyclists then you are telling us all that you would prefer that they all drove around in cars like you, in single-file (because cars are too wide to fit in a single lane side-by-side)?  Would that make you happy?
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Reply #83 - Jun 6th, 2018 at 1:30pm
 
Imrah wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 1:06pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:56pm:
Imrah wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:48pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:45pm:
Because I don't want to scratch my bullbar......dur!

Use a stolen car and then they can't track your licence plate either.



Awww.
Have I upset you precious.... Grin


Are you imagining things, Captain?  I'm having a most fun time enjoying the revelation of the true state of bigotry on the roads of modern Australia. 

Just one question regarding those evil cyclists who plague you so relentlessly everywhere you blow your nice poisonous smoke up in the air, just trying to make you waste all that fuel you could be spending wisely at the red light up the road with the other gridlocked traffic. 

If they were four wide, then that makes four of them, but how long was the pelaton?  How many nasty cyclists in total were there in the average political statement that you have had to suffer in your daily travels?  If they were four wide, then one would assume that they were at least ten long, and if 4 x 10 = 40 cyclists then you are telling us all that you would prefer that they all drove around in cars like you, in single-file (because cars are too wide to fit in a single lane side-by-side)?  Would that make you happy?


Good. I'm glad you'reenjoying yourself. Most on here go all precious and start throwing out rediculous comments.  Grin

Now in response to the rest.

Not at all. No need to drive a car if you do not wish too.
I stated earlier that I don't have a problem when they are in their designated area. I cannot see a problem in that. They have a set bicycle lane.
Most roads when built these days allow for cyclists. The existing roads from yesteryear were not built to allow cyclist a SAFE passage of travel.
Brisbane has just spent a couple of million on a brand spanking new velodrome. There is another option too for brisbane cycling fraternity.

Tell me though, would you say it is okay for me to ride my YZ450 down the main road?
I am just as quick as the cars. I have substancial leather protective equipment. I have been riding for 36yrs and I pay 9 yearly registrations on various motor vehicles and boats that I own.
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Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 1:30pm:
Imrah wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 1:06pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:56pm:
Imrah wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:48pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:45pm:
Because I don't want to scratch my bullbar......dur!

Use a stolen car and then they can't track your licence plate either.



Awww.
Have I upset you precious.... Grin


Are you imagining things, Captain?  I'm having a most fun time enjoying the revelation of the true state of bigotry on the roads of modern Australia. 

Just one question regarding those evil cyclists who plague you so relentlessly everywhere you blow your nice poisonous smoke up in the air, just trying to make you waste all that fuel you could be spending wisely at the red light up the road with the other gridlocked traffic. 

If they were four wide, then that makes four of them, but how long was the pelaton?  How many nasty cyclists in total were there in the average political statement that you have had to suffer in your daily travels?  If they were four wide, then one would assume that they were at least ten long, and if 4 x 10 = 40 cyclists then you are telling us all that you would prefer that they all drove around in cars like you, in single-file (because cars are too wide to fit in a single lane side-by-side)?  Would that make you happy?


Good. I'm glad you'reenjoying yourself. Most on here go all precious and start throwing out rediculous comments.  Grin

Now in response to the rest.

Not at all. No need to drive a car if you do not wish too.
I stated earlier that I don't have a problem when they are in their designated area. I cannot see a problem in that. They have a set bicycle lane.
Most roads when built these days allow for cyclists. The existing roads from yesteryear were not built to allow cyclist a SAFE passage of travel.
Brisbane has just spent a couple of million on a brand spanking new velodrome. There is another option too for brisbane cycling fraternity.

Tell me though, would you say it is okay for me to ride my YZ450 down the main road?
I am just as quick as the cars. I have substancial leather protective equipment. I have been riding for 36yrs and I pay 9 yearly registrations on various motor vehicles and boats that I own.

Yamaha make enduro bikes with lights and indicators, so all you need to do is pickup some IT-600 wreck in the classifieds and swap the right bits over, then take it over the pits to get it registered.  I don't know what model Yamaha use for their enduro bikes now.

The main reason that bicycles are different is because they don't have engines, which is why they don't pollute the air that us animals breathe to live, and that is also why they are about as slow as a tractor.  That's faster than walking, faster than running, and that's because they have wheels. 

However I digress.  I forgot we're supposed to be exemplifying the wonders of Australian bigotry on the roads.  You need that stolen car, Captain.  Then all your troubles will be over ... eventually, if you drive quick.

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Reply #85 - Jun 6th, 2018 at 2:40pm
 
Imrah wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 1:38pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 1:30pm:
Imrah wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 1:06pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:56pm:
Imrah wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:48pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:45pm:
Because I don't want to scratch my bullbar......dur!

Use a stolen car and then they can't track your licence plate either.



Awww.
Have I upset you precious.... Grin


Are you imagining things, Captain?  I'm having a most fun time enjoying the revelation of the true state of bigotry on the roads of modern Australia. 

Just one question regarding those evil cyclists who plague you so relentlessly everywhere you blow your nice poisonous smoke up in the air, just trying to make you waste all that fuel you could be spending wisely at the red light up the road with the other gridlocked traffic. 

If they were four wide, then that makes four of them, but how long was the pelaton?  How many nasty cyclists in total were there in the average political statement that you have had to suffer in your daily travels?  If they were four wide, then one would assume that they were at least ten long, and if 4 x 10 = 40 cyclists then you are telling us all that you would prefer that they all drove around in cars like you, in single-file (because cars are too wide to fit in a single lane side-by-side)?  Would that make you happy?


Good. I'm glad you'reenjoying yourself. Most on here go all precious and start throwing out rediculous comments.  Grin

Now in response to the rest.

Not at all. No need to drive a car if you do not wish too.
I stated earlier that I don't have a problem when they are in their designated area. I cannot see a problem in that. They have a set bicycle lane.
Most roads when built these days allow for cyclists. The existing roads from yesteryear were not built to allow cyclist a SAFE passage of travel.
Brisbane has just spent a couple of million on a brand spanking new velodrome. There is another option too for brisbane cycling fraternity.

Tell me though, would you say it is okay for me to ride my YZ450 down the main road?
I am just as quick as the cars. I have substancial leather protective equipment. I have been riding for 36yrs and I pay 9 yearly registrations on various motor vehicles and boats that I own.

Yamaha make enduro bikes with lights and indicators, so all you need to do is pickup some IT-600 wreck in the classifieds and swap the right bits over, then take it over the pits to get it registered.  I don't know what model Yamaha use for their enduro bikes now.

The main reason that bicycles are different is because they don't have engines, which is why they don't pollute the air that us animals breathe to live, and that is also why they are about as slow as a tractor.  That's faster than walking, faster than running, and that's because they have wheels. 

However I digress.  I forgot we're supposed to be exemplifying the wonders of Australian bigotry on the roads.  You need that stolen car, Captain.  Then all your troubles will be over ... eventually, if you drive quick.



Yeah, I despise thieves.

As for nasty environmental gasses.
Bicycles don't grow on trees.
Without burning nasty fossil fuels and the use of big heavy machinery they wouldn't exist.  Smiley
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Reply #86 - Jun 6th, 2018 at 2:48pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 2:40pm:
Imrah wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 1:38pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 1:30pm:
Imrah wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 1:06pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:56pm:
Imrah wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:48pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:45pm:
Because I don't want to scratch my bullbar......dur!

Use a stolen car and then they can't track your licence plate either.



Awww.
Have I upset you precious.... Grin


Are you imagining things, Captain?  I'm having a most fun time enjoying the revelation of the true state of bigotry on the roads of modern Australia. 

Just one question regarding those evil cyclists who plague you so relentlessly everywhere you blow your nice poisonous smoke up in the air, just trying to make you waste all that fuel you could be spending wisely at the red light up the road with the other gridlocked traffic. 

If they were four wide, then that makes four of them, but how long was the pelaton?  How many nasty cyclists in total were there in the average political statement that you have had to suffer in your daily travels?  If they were four wide, then one would assume that they were at least ten long, and if 4 x 10 = 40 cyclists then you are telling us all that you would prefer that they all drove around in cars like you, in single-file (because cars are too wide to fit in a single lane side-by-side)?  Would that make you happy?


Good. I'm glad you'reenjoying yourself. Most on here go all precious and start throwing out rediculous comments.  Grin

Now in response to the rest.

Not at all. No need to drive a car if you do not wish too.
I stated earlier that I don't have a problem when they are in their designated area. I cannot see a problem in that. They have a set bicycle lane.
Most roads when built these days allow for cyclists. The existing roads from yesteryear were not built to allow cyclist a SAFE passage of travel.
Brisbane has just spent a couple of million on a brand spanking new velodrome. There is another option too for brisbane cycling fraternity.

Tell me though, would you say it is okay for me to ride my YZ450 down the main road?
I am just as quick as the cars. I have substancial leather protective equipment. I have been riding for 36yrs and I pay 9 yearly registrations on various motor vehicles and boats that I own.

Yamaha make enduro bikes with lights and indicators, so all you need to do is pickup some IT-600 wreck in the classifieds and swap the right bits over, then take it over the pits to get it registered.  I don't know what model Yamaha use for their enduro bikes now.

The main reason that bicycles are different is because they don't have engines, which is why they don't pollute the air that us animals breathe to live, and that is also why they are about as slow as a tractor.  That's faster than walking, faster than running, and that's because they have wheels. 

However I digress.  I forgot we're supposed to be exemplifying the wonders of Australian bigotry on the roads.  You need that stolen car, Captain.  Then all your troubles will be over ... eventually, if you drive quick.



Yeah, I despise thieves.

As for nasty environmental gasses.
Bicycles don't grow on trees.
Without burning nasty fossil fuels and the use of big heavy machinery they wouldn't exist.  Smiley

If I was a californian teenager I'd have to answer that with 'lol'.  You are now arguing the most ridiculous point I have seen or heard all week.  Well done!

I really like that line about 'bicycles don't grow on trees'.  The original bicycles did grow on trees, in fact. 

Though I guess you are right.  Australia would be a much cleaner place if we reverted to the Stone Age when boomerangs grew on trees.  I am still having a hard time typing when you have made me laugh so much.  Damn that Industrial Era.

Did you know that it would be better for the crusade on global warming if we all lived in trees and ate nuts and berries like we used to?  How do you feel about bananas?
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Reply #87 - Jun 6th, 2018 at 3:24pm
 
Imrah wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 2:48pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 2:40pm:
Imrah wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 1:38pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 1:30pm:
Imrah wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 1:06pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:56pm:
Imrah wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:48pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:45pm:
Because I don't want to scratch my bullbar......dur!

Use a stolen car and then they can't track your licence plate either.



Awww.
Have I upset you precious.... Grin


Are you imagining things, Captain?  I'm having a most fun time enjoying the revelation of the true state of bigotry on the roads of modern Australia. 

Just one question regarding those evil cyclists who plague you so relentlessly everywhere you blow your nice poisonous smoke up in the air, just trying to make you waste all that fuel you could be spending wisely at the red light up the road with the other gridlocked traffic. 

If they were four wide, then that makes four of them, but how long was the pelaton?  How many nasty cyclists in total were there in the average political statement that you have had to suffer in your daily travels?  If they were four wide, then one would assume that they were at least ten long, and if 4 x 10 = 40 cyclists then you are telling us all that you would prefer that they all drove around in cars like you, in single-file (because cars are too wide to fit in a single lane side-by-side)?  Would that make you happy?


Good. I'm glad you'reenjoying yourself. Most on here go all precious and start throwing out rediculous comments.  Grin

Now in response to the rest.

Not at all. No need to drive a car if you do not wish too.
I stated earlier that I don't have a problem when they are in their designated area. I cannot see a problem in that. They have a set bicycle lane.
Most roads when built these days allow for cyclists. The existing roads from yesteryear were not built to allow cyclist a SAFE passage of travel.
Brisbane has just spent a couple of million on a brand spanking new velodrome. There is another option too for brisbane cycling fraternity.

Tell me though, would you say it is okay for me to ride my YZ450 down the main road?
I am just as quick as the cars. I have substancial leather protective equipment. I have been riding for 36yrs and I pay 9 yearly registrations on various motor vehicles and boats that I own.

Yamaha make enduro bikes with lights and indicators, so all you need to do is pickup some IT-600 wreck in the classifieds and swap the right bits over, then take it over the pits to get it registered.  I don't know what model Yamaha use for their enduro bikes now.

The main reason that bicycles are different is because they don't have engines, which is why they don't pollute the air that us animals breathe to live, and that is also why they are about as slow as a tractor.  That's faster than walking, faster than running, and that's because they have wheels. 

However I digress.  I forgot we're supposed to be exemplifying the wonders of Australian bigotry on the roads.  You need that stolen car, Captain.  Then all your troubles will be over ... eventually, if you drive quick.



Yeah, I despise thieves.

As for nasty environmental gasses.
Bicycles don't grow on trees.
Without burning nasty fossil fuels and the use of big heavy machinery they wouldn't exist.  Smiley

If I was a californian teenager I'd have to answer that with 'lol'.  You are now arguing the most ridiculous point I have seen or heard all week.  Well done!

I really like that line about 'bicycles don't grow on trees'.  The original bicycles did grow on trees, in fact. 

Though I guess you are right.  Australia would be a much cleaner place if we reverted to the Stone Age when boomerangs grew on trees.  I am still having a hard time typing when you have made me laugh so much.  Damn that Industrial Era.

Did you know that it would be better for the crusade on global warming if we all lived in trees and ate nuts and berries like we used to?  How do you feel about bananas?



You're the one here arguing champ. Grin
I just gave you the truth.
Don't you like the truth? Or is it okay to burn those nasty gasses to make YOUR equipment....then revert back to hugging trees and cursing fosil fuel burning?
Oh to think how many fosil fuels were burnt to make your nice paved roadways to ride on.  Grin Grin Grin
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Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 3:24pm:
Don't you like the truth? Or is it okay to burn those nasty gasses to make YOUR equipment....then revert back to hugging trees and cursing fosil fuel burning?
Oh to think how many fosil fuels were burnt to make your nice paved roadways to ride on.  Grin Grin Grin

How do you turn your steering wheel when your hands are clinging to the rear bumper as you push your car up the hills, Captain?

Since you are so careful not to upset the greenies by starting your car's internal fossil-fueled power station, it must be hard to steer from behind it. 

Seriously, I tell you that cars make pollution and bikes don't, and rather than admit that you are wrong, you stoop to the depths of sadness by trying to argue that the manufacture of bicycles uses more energy than the manufacture of cars?

Well I am glad that's true in your mind because no matter what you or I do, the world is heading for another mass extinction because of all the cars we have loved so dearly, (Hawaii & Guatemala), so you can say that you have contributed to the ultimate cure for life in the universe. 

Just think of all the shrinks and social workers we son't have to put up with on tv when there are no more worries left in the world!  Oblivion is good for the budget deficit, because we won't have to pay politicians anymore after the planet explodes, will we?
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Reply #89 - Jun 6th, 2018 at 4:17pm
 
Imrah wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 3:37pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 3:24pm:
Don't you like the truth? Or is it okay to burn those nasty gasses to make YOUR equipment....then revert back to hugging trees and cursing fosil fuel burning?
Oh to think how many fosil fuels were burnt to make your nice paved roadways to ride on.  Grin Grin Grin

How do you turn your steering wheel when your hands are clinging to the rear bumper as you push your car up the hills, Captain?

Since you are so careful not to upset the greenies by starting your car's internal fossil-fueled power station, it must be hard to steer from behind it. 

Seriously, I tell you that cars make pollution and bikes don't, and rather than admit that you are wrong, you stoop to the depths of sadness by trying to argue that the manufacture of bicycles uses more energy than the manufacture of cars?

Well I am glad that's true in your mind because no matter what you or I do, the world is heading for another mass extinction because of all the cars we have loved so dearly, (Hawaii & Guatemala), so you can say that you have contributed to the ultimate cure for life in the universe. 

Just think of all the shrinks and social workers we son't have to put up with on tv when there are no more worries left in the world!  Oblivion is good for the budget deficit, because we won't have to pay politicians anymore after the planet explodes, will we?



Well I wasn't arguing that point at all. Geez I'm not that thick. Of coarse bicycles are cleaner to run manufacture etc. I was mearly stating that bicycles are not exempt from fosil fuel usage by way of their production and the smooooth roads they ride on... although Qld roads are like shaker grids in some places.  Grin

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I thought we were talking about the illegal and stupid actions of some cycle riders....
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Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 5:57pm:
I thought we were talking about the illegal and stupid actions of some cycle riders....

Hey mate!  I'm back.  Why don't we cut the bullcrap and focus on Jewish cyclists?  They must be the stupidest and most illegal of all cyclists, for sure.  Didn't you read that book, 'Mein Kampf'?  It can only be the Jews who are responsible for your anquish ...

... or maybe it's those stupid, illegal Muzzos, eh?  They might be the ones to blame.  Just look at all the trouble in Gaza right now, and see how you go driving your car around with all those bicycles, and some of them have bombs in them.  Not just the usual bombs approved by the US military but nasty little bombs known as I.E.Ds,  Repeat after me, I.  E. D. 

Oh it's terrible, these monsterous Jewish (or was it Muzzies?) cyclists riding around on bikes with bombs to blow you up at the traffic lights!  I tell you, buddy, something needs to be done about those Muzzos before all hell breaks loose!  And the Jews too.

Of course, there is no scientific evidence on record that proves in the laboratory that good Australians who drive around in big, heavy cars have anything at all to do with it, of course of course, and nobody wants to ride a horse of course. 

Let's make Australia's road-toll record and fruck up the sky with carbon derivatives and kill all the Jews on bikes, and those other demographics that don't believe in Henry Ford, our messiah!
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There are stupid car drivers.

There are stupid cyclists.

There are stupid pedestrians.

But do you know what the difference Is?

When a car hits another car, they damage the cars, but safety devices protect the occupants to a degree.

When a car hits a pedestrian or cyclist, there is little damage to the car, and serious damage to the cyclist and pedestrian.

If you knew that you woukd be killed just because you forced your right of way, would you?
If your answer is yes, you are a lycra clad looney.

Do you know why cyclists are always so angry?

For the same reason bulls buck when they rodeo.

Their balls are being crushed by the lycra in cyclists and by elastic bands in bulls.
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A flash of silver and two riders are suddenly airborne, one of them smashing the sedan's windscreen with his head on his way across the bonnet. A fraction of a second later, another two go down, but rather than flying over the car they slam into the passenger side and drop to the bitumen.

A fifth cyclist upends and lies dazed in the road, although she is able to stagger to the kerb and sit down, head in hands, as shock sets in.

Another day, another bout in the zero-sum game of car vs cyclist, in which nobody wins and not much seems to change.

The first responders — often just unlucky passers-by woefully ill-equipped to process the stress and gore of such a scene — do what they can, emergency services workers pick up the pieces, surgeons repair what damage they can and the driver is left without a vehicle but physically intact.


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REALITY CHECK: Thugs in 2,000kg metal tanks are 200 times more dangerous than thugs on 10kg bikes.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-19/west-end-cycling-accident-photos-calvin-tr...
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So how do motorists really feel about sharing the road with cyclists?

"I'm happy to say I haven't had those conversations with people who are advocating doing the wrong thing around cyclists," Mr Spalding says.

"You do see those that pop up on social media, but they're not the conversations that I've had. Regardless of who has done the wrong thing, there is this general concern about consequences."
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Imrah wrote on Jun 7th, 2018 at 10:52am:
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A flash of silver and two riders are suddenly airborne, one of them smashing the sedan's windscreen with his head on his way across the bonnet. A fraction of a second later, another two go down, but rather than flying over the car they slam into the passenger side and drop to the bitumen.

A fifth cyclist upends and lies dazed in the road, although she is able to stagger to the kerb and sit down, head in hands, as shock sets in.

Another day, another bout in the zero-sum game of car vs cyclist, in which nobody wins and not much seems to change.

The first responders — often just unlucky passers-by woefully ill-equipped to process the stress and gore of such a scene — do what they can, emergency services workers pick up the pieces, surgeons repair what damage they can and the driver is left without a vehicle but physically intact.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/8842398-3x2-940x627.jpg

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/8841326-3x2-940x627.jpg

REALITY CHECK: Thugs in 2,000kg metal tanks are 200 times more dangerous than thugs on 10kg bikes.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-19/west-end-cycling-accident-photos-calvin-tr...


That poor car driver.

Just sitting in his car minding his own business and a group of bikes all run into his car, damaging his car and getting blood all over it.

I have seen riders not being able to stop, running into and damaging cars.

I have seen mirrors ripped off, scratches from handle bars from bikes not quite fitting between stopped cars.

And the riders ride off leaving damage, without even so much as a sorry.

I have seen aggressive riders hit older pedestrians, tell at pedestrians and terrify old people.

They are not the victims, in a great many cases they are the problem.

Again for the dim witted.

Bikes need, must have number plates

And in an accident, there is no point in being DEAD right, just be careful and give way.
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Valkie wrote on Jun 7th, 2018 at 5:58pm:
That poor car driver.

Just sitting in his car minding his own business and a group of bikes all run into his car, damaging his car and getting blood all over it.

I have seen riders not being able to stop, running into and damaging cars.

I have seen mirrors ripped off, scratches from handle bars from bikes not quite fitting between stopped cars.

And the riders ride off leaving damage, without even so much as a sorry.

I have seen aggressive riders hit older pedestrians, tell at pedestrians and terrify old people.

They are not the victims, in a great many cases they are the problem.

Again for the dim witted.

Bikes need, must have number plates

And in an accident, there is no point in being DEAD right, just be careful and give way.

I have seen that you have not seen reality. 

You are welcome to walk backwards out of the driveway of your home with your eyes closed onto a main road, and see what yo momma would like to have written on your epitaph, Val'.

Maybe then you can look upon your grave and understand the rules of the road, eh?   I welcome the good help your being run over by a truck outside your two-storey mansion will give to you in learning about the rules of the road.  You will be doing us all a favour, so go ahead and try it.
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Valkie wrote on Jun 7th, 2018 at 5:58pm:
That poor car driver.

Just sitting in his car minding his own business and a group of bikes all run into his car, damaging his car and getting blood all over it.

I have seen riders not being able to stop, running into and damaging cars.

I have seen mirrors ripped off, scratches from handle bars from bikes not quite fitting between stopped cars.

And the riders ride off leaving damage, without even so much as a sorry.

I have seen aggressive riders hit older pedestrians, tell at pedestrians and terrify old people.

They are not the victims, in a great many cases they are the problem.

Again for the dim witted.

Bikes need, must have number plates

And in an accident, there is no point in being DEAD right, just be careful and give way.

I have seen that you have not seen reality. 

You are welcome to walk backwards out of the driveway of your home with your eyes closed onto a main road, and see what yo momma would like to have written on your epitaph, Val'.

Maybe then you can look upon your grave and understand the rules of the road, eh?   I welcome the good help your being run over by a truck outside your two-storey mansion will give to you in learning about the rules of the road.  You will be doing us all a favour, so go ahead and try it.

U

Its only one story

I'm all for the rules of the road, but many, many bike riders flaunt the rules happy in their anonymity as they ride away.

What do you have to hide with number plates?

Bikes, both motorised and pedal powered have considerably less protection than a car.

What sort of imbecile taken on a car when riding a bike?

You might have the right of the law on your side, but if you act like a dill, and the car driver or truck driver cant see you, you will end up either in hospital or the morgue.

All because you are too arrogant to just let a few seconds pass so the driver can pass you.

It is you my friend who lives in a fantasy world where bikes are tougher than cars.
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Valkie wrote on Jun 7th, 2018 at 7:26pm:
Imrah wrote on Jun 7th, 2018 at 6:25pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 7th, 2018 at 5:58pm:
That poor car driver.

Just sitting in his car minding his own business and a group of bikes all run into his car, damaging his car and getting blood all over it.

I have seen riders not being able to stop, running into and damaging cars.

I have seen mirrors ripped off, scratches from handle bars from bikes not quite fitting between stopped cars.

And the riders ride off leaving damage, without even so much as a sorry.

I have seen aggressive riders hit older pedestrians, tell at pedestrians and terrify old people.

They are not the victims, in a great many cases they are the problem.

Again for the dim witted.

Bikes need, must have number plates

And in an accident, there is no point in being DEAD right, just be careful and give way.

I have seen that you have not seen reality. 

You are welcome to walk backwards out of the driveway of your home with your eyes closed onto a main road, and see what yo momma would like to have written on your epitaph, Val'.

Maybe then you can look upon your grave and understand the rules of the road, eh?   I welcome the good help your being run over by a truck outside your two-storey mansion will give to you in learning about the rules of the road.  You will be doing us all a favour, so go ahead and try it.

U

Its only one story

I'm all for the rules of the road, but many, many bike riders flaunt the rules happy in their anonymity as they ride away.

What do you have to hide with number plates?

Bikes, both motorised and pedal powered have considerably less protection than a car.

What sort of imbecile taken on a car when riding a bike?

You might have the right of the law on your side, but if you act like a dill, and the car driver or truck driver cant see you, you will end up either in hospital or the morgue.

All because you are too arrogant to just let a few seconds pass so the driver can pass you.

It is you my friend who lives in a fantasy world where bikes are tougher than cars.

You don't understand.  You don't get it.  Not at all, MATE.   Look at the photos I have worked so hard to transfer across here.

Do you not see that the silver Magna was either reversing out of the driveway, (most likely), blindly, or else drove into the driveway with full vision of the approaching peloton of five cyclists, (less likely), and then  turned their Magna into a metal bulwark for the oncoming road users to have NO CHOICE but to crash straight into.

Do you not see that the Magna is sideways across the frucking road?

How do you think that happened?

I don't care about your politics, MATE,  Here is a typical example of what thugs in cars do on the roads to kill innocent cyclists, so you have made me more than gleeful to read your reports of cyclists doing impolite things to pedestrians, because those pedestrians are perhaps also ugly drivers when they are not walking so we are all better off if they are dead and buried.

Not really.  I am sorry for becoming emotional because of your bullshite political reparte', but you don't even understand the rules of the road in Australia!

Valkie, you do not have the right to reverse out of a driveway onto a main road in front of oncoming traffic,  FFS you do not even have the right to drive your Magna over a footpath if there are pedestrians walking on it. 

Do you want anarchy on Australian roads?  Well, okay with me because I have a bike, which I prefer to ride as my number one transport, but since you want anarchy on the roads, then that is fine with me because I also have a frucking BIG TRUCK which I would prefer to leave at home to accord with Julia Gillard and her stupid carbon tax, but from now on, I am going to use my BIG TRUCK whenever I need to go out instead of the little bike, and if I see you around the place, or anyone who walks on two legs like you, or drives a piddley little Japanese car like you, or makes me unhappy like you, then this is anarchy rules now, so I can run you down and stop.

Then I will reverse over you to make sure I did the job right, and recite those infamous car driving words, "Sorry mate, I didn't see you." and nobody would argue that I was at fault because now we have anarchy in Australia, because Valkie thinks that the road rules are a waste of time.

I promise to drive my BIG TRUCK down to the cemetery every few years and leave some flowers beside your headstone, MATE.
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Imrah wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 6:08pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 5:57pm:
I thought we were talking about the illegal and stupid actions of some cycle riders....

Hey mate!  I'm back.  Why don't we cut the bullcrap and focus on Jewish cyclists?  They must be the stupidest and most illegal of all cyclists, for sure.  Didn't you read that book, 'Mein Kampf'?  It can only be the Jews who are responsible for your anquish ...

... or maybe it's those stupid, illegal Muzzos, eh?  They might be the ones to blame.  Just look at all the trouble in Gaza right now, and see how you go driving your car around with all those bicycles, and some of them have bombs in them.  Not just the usual bombs approved by the US military but nasty little bombs known as I.E.Ds,  Repeat after me, I.  E. D. 

Oh it's terrible, these monsterous Jewish (or was it Muzzies?) cyclists riding around on bikes with bombs to blow you up at the traffic lights!  I tell you, buddy, something needs to be done about those Muzzos before all hell breaks loose!  And the Jews too.

Of course, there is no scientific evidence on record that proves in the laboratory that good Australians who drive around in big, heavy cars have anything at all to do with it, of course of course, and nobody wants to ride a horse of course. 

Let's make Australia's road-toll record and fruck up the sky with carbon derivatives and kill all the Jews on bikes, and those other demographics that don't believe in Henry Ford, our messiah!



My great-great grandparents on one side were Jewish... from Hamburg - I've sought records of surviving family members - there are none...

You cannot grab that high moral ground with me... stop biting those who merely raise the question.... like arguing DV and spousal murder, this subject raises up the worst in people, and they start acting like incipient volcanoes rather than rational human beings.... some primal instinct in the bike rider to protect against the metal tyrannosaurus by attacking it - last great act of defiance ... a Darwinian strike against the enemy... but they died with their lycra and boots on while making a statement that will not resonate down through the ages ......

Maybe bike riders do that to protect the inner circle of the group/troop or whatever.... it is, after all, the duty of the males on the outer to die screaming to alert the herd to the presence of a predator.... none more on the outer than rogue bike riders....

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Number plates for bikes is a terrible idea. What's next? Number plates for prams?

If only someone could convince the AMA to tell Glaxo to invent the right magic concoction we could reduce the effect of Howard's baby boom v2.0 and make it something contagious so that it knocks off their mummies too, after a little bit of a cooling-off period, and then after the next election, I'd say it would be just a matter of democracy in action to ban prams in public.  Then we can help the budget deficit by not having to pay for the tin for anymore of those expensive number plates, which cost us all good taxpayers' money.  Just knock off all the babies and we won't need prams, and then they won't need number plates, obviously.

There is enough immigration to sustain the population, so why bother with all those bloody prams when they only make our footpaths congested for decent Australians to walk on?
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Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 7th, 2018 at 8:21pm:
Imrah wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 6:08pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 5:57pm:
I thought we were talking about the illegal and stupid actions of some cycle riders....

Hey mate!  I'm back.  Why don't we cut the bullcrap and focus on Jewish cyclists?  They must be the stupidest and most illegal of all cyclists, for sure.  Didn't you read that book, 'Mein Kampf'?  It can only be the Jews who are responsible for your anquish ...

... or maybe it's those stupid, illegal Muzzos, eh?  They might be the ones to blame.  Just look at all the trouble in Gaza right now, and see how you go driving your car around with all those bicycles, and some of them have bombs in them.  Not just the usual bombs approved by the US military but nasty little bombs known as I.E.Ds,  Repeat after me, I.  E. D. 

Oh it's terrible, these monsterous Jewish (or was it Muzzies?) cyclists riding around on bikes with bombs to blow you up at the traffic lights!  I tell you, buddy, something needs to be done about those Muzzos before all hell breaks loose!  And the Jews too.

Of course, there is no scientific evidence on record that proves in the laboratory that good Australians who drive around in big, heavy cars have anything at all to do with it, of course of course, and nobody wants to ride a horse of course. 

Let's make Australia's road-toll record and fruck up the sky with carbon derivatives and kill all the Jews on bikes, and those other demographics that don't believe in Henry Ford, our messiah!



My great-great grandparents on one side were Jewish... from Hamburg - I've sought records of surviving family members - there are none...

You cannot grab that high moral ground with me... stop biting those who merely raise the question.... like arguing DV and spousal murder, this subject raises up the worst in people, and they start acting like incipient volcanoes rather than rational human beings.... some primal instinct in the bike rider to protect against the metal tyrannosaurus by attacking it - last great act of defiance ... a Darwinian strike against the enemy... but they died with their lycra and boots on while making a statement that will not resonate down through the ages ......

Maybe bike riders do that to protect the inner circle of the group/troop or whatever.... it is, after all, the duty of the males on the outer to die screaming to alert the herd to the presence of a predator.... none more on the outer than rogue bike riders....

(snuckles)

I take that the word 'thugs' is a nice word in Yiddish? Is that what your ancestors called you when you were young and they liked you, OP?
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So

A car back out of his driveway
He can't see the road, so he backs out slow like.

A great bunch of lycra clad loonies come screaming down the road, speeding in fact, because so many to have hit him, they woukd have to have been speeding,
That's broken law 1.
Racing down the road
That's broken law 2.

First one can't stop, smash
No2 can't stop bam
That's broken law  3 riding too close to the vehicle in front, tailgating.
No3 can't stop Kapow
That's broken law 4.

Had they been riding sensibly, not racing, perhaps they would not have had the crash
Or at least the damage would have been considerably less.

For all you know the drivers vision might have been obstructed by other vehicles.

How do you propose he exit his driveway?
Using a man with a red flag behind him.

Every time you use the road, you are responsible for anything that happens.
It's up to you, you can take your RIGHT OF WAY and die
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Valkie wrote on Jun 7th, 2018 at 8:44pm:
So

A car back out of his driveway
He can't see the road, so he backs out slow like.

A great bunch of lycra clad loonies come screaming down the road, speeding in fact, because so many to have hit him, they woukd have to have been speeding,
That's broken law 1.

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Good luck, my fellow Australians of dubious ancestry.  You're quite a waste of my time. 
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Imrah wrote on Jun 7th, 2018 at 8:34pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 7th, 2018 at 8:21pm:
Imrah wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 6:08pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 5:57pm:
I thought we were talking about the illegal and stupid actions of some cycle riders....

Hey mate!  I'm back.  Why don't we cut the bullcrap and focus on Jewish cyclists?  They must be the stupidest and most illegal of all cyclists, for sure.  Didn't you read that book, 'Mein Kampf'?  It can only be the Jews who are responsible for your anquish ...

... or maybe it's those stupid, illegal Muzzos, eh?  They might be the ones to blame.  Just look at all the trouble in Gaza right now, and see how you go driving your car around with all those bicycles, and some of them have bombs in them.  Not just the usual bombs approved by the US military but nasty little bombs known as I.E.Ds,  Repeat after me, I.  E. D. 

Oh it's terrible, these monsterous Jewish (or was it Muzzies?) cyclists riding around on bikes with bombs to blow you up at the traffic lights!  I tell you, buddy, something needs to be done about those Muzzos before all hell breaks loose!  And the Jews too.

Of course, there is no scientific evidence on record that proves in the laboratory that good Australians who drive around in big, heavy cars have anything at all to do with it, of course of course, and nobody wants to ride a horse of course. 

Let's make Australia's road-toll record and fruck up the sky with carbon derivatives and kill all the Jews on bikes, and those other demographics that don't believe in Henry Ford, our messiah!



My great-great grandparents on one side were Jewish... from Hamburg - I've sought records of surviving family members - there are none...

You cannot grab that high moral ground with me... stop biting those who merely raise the question.... like arguing DV and spousal murder, this subject raises up the worst in people, and they start acting like incipient volcanoes rather than rational human beings.... some primal instinct in the bike rider to protect against the metal tyrannosaurus by attacking it - last great act of defiance ... a Darwinian strike against the enemy... but they died with their lycra and boots on while making a statement that will not resonate down through the ages ......

Maybe bike riders do that to protect the inner circle of the group/troop or whatever.... it is, after all, the duty of the males on the outer to die screaming to alert the herd to the presence of a predator.... none more on the outer than rogue bike riders....

(snuckles)

I take that the word 'thugs' is a nice word in Yiddish? Is that what your ancestors called you when you were young and they liked you, OP?


I use such terms which are in common everyday usage these days to describe what are often perfectly normal actions - to elicit a response and cause the issue to be discussed.

Don't be such a nancy boy... I thought you were better than that.

It is distinctly possible that had the lycra mob not been traveling in a crowd, they would not have hit that vehicle en masse.... great statement over your rights there... get that car out of the way or we'll bash into it.... we'll show you...
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I don't speak or understand Yiddish and know very little about Judaism - and my immediate ancestry is Anglican and Catholic, since any Judaism is carried down through the female line, which is not the case here.

My Jewish great-grandfather married a Protestant woman, my grand-father married an Anglican....

That does not moderate the fact that part of my ancestry is Jewish, and that their roots went back some way to Hamburg....
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Imrah wrote on Jun 7th, 2018 at 8:49pm:
Good luck, my fellow Australians of dubious ancestry.  You're quite a waste of my time. 
Bye bye.
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Imrah wrote on Jun 7th, 2018 at 8:49pm:
Good luck, my fellow Australians of dubious ancestry.  You're quite a waste of my time. 
Bye bye.


My ancestors are English and German. Arrived in Australia in 1880 and 1890.



Ah - New Australian, eh?
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Imrah wrote on Jun 7th, 2018 at 8:49pm:
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Bye bye.
Good choice. Dont argue with idiots, they will beat you with experience.


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Just keep riding like a typical lycra clad Looney.

It's called thinning the species.

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Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 8th, 2018 at 10:58am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 8th, 2018 at 1:40am:
Imrah wrote on Jun 7th, 2018 at 8:49pm:
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Ah - New Australian, eh?


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I live in the country. I have lycra clads taking up a single lane on country roads with double whites, no alternative but to sit at 10-15k. It would be so easy for them to move over but they don't. I could break the law and overtake against the road markings but I choose not to. I'm patient and can wait but it is the attitude of the lycra clad that makes it more antagonistic than it should be. If you add that to the things they do in traffic I've been subjected to the likes of use my side mirrors to launch themselves. I'm not a fan of bike riders.

Edit: Before you label me as a car nut. I walk more than I drive. I drive maybe 500KM a year, probably much less and we have shared spaces here for ped/bikes. Adult bike riders are just rude and entitled.

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50% of drivers on the road are not paying attention anyway. Phones cause big problems today on our roads. We all kow this. Then add the foreign drivers, P platers, trucks and you have a concoction of deadly situations if you get in the middle of it. It is easy to say "share the roads" but lets be realistic.....it is no place for a person on a bicycle as a form of exercise unless there is a specific designated cycling lane . Why put yourself out there to begin with? It is a quick risk assesment and cyclists seem unable to to approach with common sence hence their goofy protective outfit. They believe in their head that they deserve to be there just as much as the tin cans. Well...they don't. Roads are designed for motor vehicles. By being out there they put themselves in immediate danger as well as everyone around them. We all know how dangerous the roads can be so keep riding at your own risk....
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Setanta wrote on Jun 9th, 2018 at 12:11am:
I live in the country. I have lycra clads taking up a single lane on country roads with double whites, no alternative but to sit at 10-15k. It would be so easy for them to move over but they don't. I could break the law and overtake against the road markings but I choose not to. I'm patient and can wait but it is the attitude of the lycra clad that makes it more antagonistic than it should be. If you add that to the things they do in traffic I've been subjected to the likes of use my side mirrors to launch themselves. I'm not a fan of bike riders.

Edit: Before you label me as a car nut. I walk more than I drive. I drive maybe 500KM a year, probably much less and we have shared spaces here for ped/bikes. Adult bike riders are just rude and entitled.



If they moved over and you overtook, you would probably still be breaking the law, and putting their life at risk. The lanes are not designed for a car and bike side by side safely. And the edges on country roads are pretty treacherous.

Cyclists are actually instructed to ride in the middle of the lane for safety reasons to prevent cars trying to lane share with them. It's not just to show off their gear.
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Setanta wrote on Jun 9th, 2018 at 12:11am:
I live in the country. I have lycra clads taking up a single lane on country roads with double whites, no alternative but to sit at 10-15k. It would be so easy for them to move over but they don't. I could break the law and overtake against the road markings but I choose not to. I'm patient and can wait but it is the attitude of the lycra clad that makes it more antagonistic than it should be. If you add that to the things they do in traffic I've been subjected to the likes of use my side mirrors to launch themselves. I'm not a fan of bike riders.

Edit: Before you label me as a car nut. I walk more than I drive. I drive maybe 500KM a year, probably much less and we have shared spaces here for ped/bikes. Adult bike riders are just rude and entitled.



If they moved over and you overtook, you would probably still be breaking the law, and putting their life at risk. The lanes are not designed for a car and bike side by side safely. And the edges on country roads are pretty treacherous.

Cyclists are actually instructed to ride in the middle of the lane for safety reasons to prevent cars trying to lane share with them. It's not just to show off their gear.



do cyclists actually get road rules???? I thought you just hopped on and away you went.....

in Denmark everyone rides a bike  everyone gives way to bikes  they even have special places on trains for people to park their bikes.....too bad if you wish to sit down  bikes come first....there are still plenty of cars on the roads all the same  but they sit behind the bikes  who get first crack at the traffic lights.... a 20 second start  or something...and no one whinges..

heaps of cycle racks at train stations and if you want to take the bike on the train  they have a special moving grid on the escalators so you dont carry your bike.. all very modern...

I cant remember if they have to register them or not......
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In Denmark the roads are different, the majority of people ride bikes around the cities.

In the great land of Oz, we generally travel further to work, on substandard roads and honestly do not need lycra clad loonies taking over the roads during peak hour.

Most mornings around my area packs of bike thugs dressed like some sort of lunatic lycra clad racers, doing sub walking pace up hills and racing past at well over the speed limit down the other side.

Don't dare get in their way or you will be abused.
The latest is them pointing at the silly cameras on their esky lids.
I just point at my dash cam.

Why can't they just keep to the back streets
Oh yeah, that's right, they wouldn't get the chance to go off at all and sundry then.

And have you ever seen them around pedestrians, they are rude, aggressive and pushy.
Funniest thing I ever saw was one giving an old bloke a hard time, and when he moved over and was abused, he stuck his cane in the spokes
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More bicycles means less congestion.


More importantly,  less fatsos.
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Setanta wrote on Jun 9th, 2018 at 12:11am:
I live in the country. I have lycra clads taking up a single lane on country roads with double whites, no alternative but to sit at 10-15k. It would be so easy for them to move over but they don't. I could break the law and overtake against the road markings but I choose not to. I'm patient and can wait but it is the attitude of the lycra clad that makes it more antagonistic than it should be. If you add that to the things they do in traffic I've been subjected to the likes of use my side mirrors to launch themselves. I'm not a fan of bike riders.

Edit: Before you label me as a car nut. I walk more than I drive. I drive maybe 500KM a year, probably much less and we have shared spaces here for ped/bikes. Adult bike riders are just rude and entitled.



If they moved over and you overtook, you would probably still be breaking the law, and putting their life at risk. The lanes are not designed for a car and bike side by side safely. And the edges on country roads are pretty treacherous.

Cyclists are actually instructed to ride in the middle of the lane for safety reasons to prevent cars trying to lane share with them. It's not just to show off their gear.


They could all stop and let the line of cars tailing them go on every now and then. I've been in a line of about twenty cars once stuck behind them. I've also been stuck behind an old lady(cliche coming up) driving a Volvo who never went over 40k and sat between 20 and 40 in late afternoon traffic from Bangalow to Lismore so it's not just bikes, it's people with no consideration for others.

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Old people these days, no respect for the younger generation and people with work to do.
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Setanta wrote on Jun 9th, 2018 at 8:36pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 9th, 2018 at 8:37am:
Setanta wrote on Jun 9th, 2018 at 12:11am:
I live in the country. I have lycra clads taking up a single lane on country roads with double whites, no alternative but to sit at 10-15k. It would be so easy for them to move over but they don't. I could break the law and overtake against the road markings but I choose not to. I'm patient and can wait but it is the attitude of the lycra clad that makes it more antagonistic than it should be. If you add that to the things they do in traffic I've been subjected to the likes of use my side mirrors to launch themselves. I'm not a fan of bike riders.

Edit: Before you label me as a car nut. I walk more than I drive. I drive maybe 500KM a year, probably much less and we have shared spaces here for ped/bikes. Adult bike riders are just rude and entitled.



If they moved over and you overtook, you would probably still be breaking the law, and putting their life at risk. The lanes are not designed for a car and bike side by side safely. And the edges on country roads are pretty treacherous.

Cyclists are actually instructed to ride in the middle of the lane for safety reasons to prevent cars trying to lane share with them. It's not just to show off their gear.


They could all stop and let the line of cars tailing them go on every now and then. I've been in a line of about twenty cars once stuck behind them. I've also been stuck behind an old lady(cliche coming up) driving a Volvo who never went over 40k and sat between 20 and 40 in late afternoon traffic from Bangalow to Lismore so it's not just bikes, it's people with no consideration for others.



Getting held up once here and there by a bike compared to bikes getting near misses by cars on the road nearly every ride.
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Funniest thing I ever saw was one giving an old bloke a hard time, and when he moved over and was abused, he stuck his cane in the spokes
1 idiot bike rider down, many clapping g people.
Yeah, just like in the movies, eh? Because that always happens in real life, a group of people standing around looking in one spot at exactly the same time to see a bike flip over with someone sticking a walking stick in the spokes in stuntman like style. And then they all start spontaneously clapping.
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Setanta wrote on Jun 9th, 2018 at 8:36pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 9th, 2018 at 8:37am:
Setanta wrote on Jun 9th, 2018 at 12:11am:
I live in the country. I have lycra clads taking up a single lane on country roads with double whites, no alternative but to sit at 10-15k. It would be so easy for them to move over but they don't. I could break the law and overtake against the road markings but I choose not to. I'm patient and can wait but it is the attitude of the lycra clad that makes it more antagonistic than it should be. If you add that to the things they do in traffic I've been subjected to the likes of use my side mirrors to launch themselves. I'm not a fan of bike riders.

Edit: Before you label me as a car nut. I walk more than I drive. I drive maybe 500KM a year, probably much less and we have shared spaces here for ped/bikes. Adult bike riders are just rude and entitled.



If they moved over and you overtook, you would probably still be breaking the law, and putting their life at risk. The lanes are not designed for a car and bike side by side safely. And the edges on country roads are pretty treacherous.

Cyclists are actually instructed to ride in the middle of the lane for safety reasons to prevent cars trying to lane share with them. It's not just to show off their gear.


They could all stop and let the line of cars tailing them go on every now and then. I've been in a line of about twenty cars once stuck behind them. I've also been stuck behind an old lady(cliche coming up) driving a Volvo who never went over 40k and sat between 20 and 40 in late afternoon traffic from Bangalow to Lismore so it's not just bikes, it's people with no consideration for others.



Getting held up once here and there by a bike compared to bikes getting near misses by cars on the road nearly every ride.


Not showing consideration for others...
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Rhino wrote on Jun 9th, 2018 at 9:17pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 9th, 2018 at 8:22pm:

Funniest thing I ever saw was one giving an old bloke a hard time, and when he moved over and was abused, he stuck his cane in the spokes
1 idiot bike rider down, many clapping g people.
Yeah, just like in the movies, eh? Because that always happens in real life, a group of people standing around looking in one spot at exactly the same time to see a bike flip over with someone sticking a walking stick in the spokes in stuntman like style. And then they all start spontaneously clapping.


You have obviously never been to a shopping centre at a bus stop, have you?
Oh, that's right
You never actually get out from behind your computer, do you.

There is a real world out there buddy.
One with real people doing real things
In 60 years I have seen a Hell of a lot of the real world.
Perhaps if you travelled more than 3 klm from you hovel, you might see some of it too.

It was at north Ryde, at the university entrance to the Macquarie shopping centre.
Pretty busy place, and very often frequented by lycra clad loony thugs.
I'm sure others woukd have been here, and may have even witnessed it.

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Why do you call them thugs Valkie? Are you scared of men in lycra?
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Not in the slightest.

Just look at them.

They are either skinny pathetic twerp or fat old guys squeezed into lycra so strained that it could explode like a balloon in no time.

They think they own the road.
They like to act tough, but quickly back down when confronted.

Simple of mind, they take on vehicles many times their weight, and think they can win.
But what's the point  if you are in a wheelchair?

I have no time for them.
But they treat pedestrians, kids, old people and cars as objects of insult.
What makes them think they are any better or deserve any more than any other road users or pedestrian?

Number plates must become mandatory
It's the only way to weed out the morons from people who genuinely behave themselves and ride sensibly.

Thugs by name, thugs by nature.
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So you call them thugs because you are scared of fat old men in lycra?
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So you call them thugs because you are scared of fat old men in lycra?


If that makes you happy, go for It?
I can't be bothered arguing with stupidity.

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freediver wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:25pm:
So you call them thugs because you are scared of fat old men in lycra?


If that makes you happy, go for It?
I can't be bothered arguing with stupidity.

I fear no one,
Because they don't know just how far I am willing to go.
uh oh, dangerous territory Here. Any minute Valkie will post another one of his "experiences" showing what a dangerous guy he is.
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Valkie wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:31pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:25pm:
So you call them thugs because you are scared of fat old men in lycra?


If that makes you happy, go for It?
I can't be bothered arguing with stupidity.

I fear no one,
Because they don't know just how far I am willing to go.


Why do you call them thugs? You said it was because they are fat old men in lycra. Just trying to make sense is all. That's not the usual imagery that springs to mind when you here the word thug. What are these 'experiences'?
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Rhino wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 5:05pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:31pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:25pm:
So you call them thugs because you are scared of fat old men in lycra?


If that makes you happy, go for It?
I can't be bothered arguing with stupidity.

I fear no one,
Because they don't know just how far I am willing to go.
uh oh, dangerous territory Here. Any minute Valkie will post another one of his "experiences" showing what a dangerous guy he is.


Oh look, it's the turd who has never done anything.
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Valkie wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:31pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:25pm:
So you call them thugs because you are scared of fat old men in lycra?


If that makes you happy, go for It?
I can't be bothered arguing with stupidity.

I fear no one,
Because they don't know just how far I am willing to go.


Why do you call them thugs? You said it was because they are fat old men in lycra. Just trying to make sense is all. That's not the usual imagery that springs to mind when you here the word thug. What are these 'experiences'?


A thug to me is anyone who thinks they are tough
But only around those they have some power over.
Some cops are thugs, because you won't take them on because they have guns.
Some lycra clad loonies are thugs because they manipulate laws and terrorise old people and kids.
Troll are not thugs, because they frighten no one.
They are just sad, sad no matter individuals, eh horny?
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Valkie wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 7:59pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 6:40pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:31pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:25pm:
So you call them thugs because you are scared of fat old men in lycra?


If that makes you happy, go for It?
I can't be bothered arguing with stupidity.

I fear no one,
Because they don't know just how far I am willing to go.


Why do you call them thugs? You said it was because they are fat old men in lycra. Just trying to make sense is all. That's not the usual imagery that springs to mind when you here the word thug. What are these 'experiences'?


A thug to me is anyone who thinks they are tough
But only around those they have some power over.
Some cops are thugs, because you won't take them on because they have guns.
Some lycra clad loonies are thugs because they manipulate laws and terrorise old people and kids.
Troll are not thugs, because they frighten no one.
They are just sad, sad no matter individuals, eh horny?


So they are thugs because they manipulate laws?
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Valkie wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 7:59pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 6:40pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:31pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:25pm:
So you call them thugs because you are scared of fat old men in lycra?


If that makes you happy, go for It?
I can't be bothered arguing with stupidity.

I fear no one,
Because they don't know just how far I am willing to go.


Why do you call them thugs? You said it was because they are fat old men in lycra. Just trying to make sense is all. That's not the usual imagery that springs to mind when you here the word thug. What are these 'experiences'?


A thug to me is anyone who thinks they are tough
But only around those they have some power over.
ah, like you on the internet saying things you wouldnt dare to in real life? Gotcha.
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Not me - I'm just using the word 'thug' here to keep up my end of the campaign to reduce the value of words.... but you have to admit that the violence of cyclists running lights and breaking the law at whim and such is a true epidemic....
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Reply #139 - Jun 11th, 2018 at 8:19am
 
Rhino wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 8:35pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 7:59pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 6:40pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:31pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:25pm:
So you call them thugs because you are scared of fat old men in lycra?


If that makes you happy, go for It?
I can't be bothered arguing with stupidity.

I fear no one,
Because they don't know just how far I am willing to go.


Why do you call them thugs? You said it was because they are fat old men in lycra. Just trying to make sense is all. That's not the usual imagery that springs to mind when you here the word thug. What are these 'experiences'?


A thug to me is anyone who thinks they are tough
But only around those they have some power over.
ah, like you on the internet saying things you wouldnt dare to in real life? Gotcha.


Been out the front gate yet?

Or is that too terrifying to contemplate for you.

Strive to achieve the dizzying heights of mediocrity.

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Reply #140 - Jun 11th, 2018 at 8:46am
 
Valkie wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 7:59pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 6:40pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:31pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:25pm:
So you call them thugs because you are scared of fat old men in lycra?


If that makes you happy, go for It?
I can't be bothered arguing with stupidity.

I fear no one,
Because they don't know just how far I am willing to go.


Why do you call them thugs? You said it was because they are fat old men in lycra. Just trying to make sense is all. That's not the usual imagery that springs to mind when you here the word thug. What are these 'experiences'?


A thug to me is anyone who thinks they are tough
But only around those they have some power over.
Some cops are thugs, because you won't take them on because they have guns.
Some lycra clad loonies are thugs because they manipulate laws and terrorise old people and kids.
Troll are not thugs, because they frighten no one.
They are just sad, sad no matter individuals, eh horny?

you and those THUGS with prams, running into ankles and generally pushing their weight around... no pram and they wouldn't dare do that crap...
Disabled elderly with 4 wheelers 2 .... THUGS
I've seen a few shifty eyed guys with crutches as well.
Ballet dancers r in lycra ...... THUGS Cheesy Cheesy
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Cultural thugs, don - cultural thugs... oppressing the many through imposing a single idea of what constitutes culture in dance and similar... don't forget the opera... full of thugs... and the academics.. students demand fair go from academic thugs, the ones who cut points for 'using the wrong word'... bloody Fascists...

Plenty of thuggery to go around and no clear avenue for restitution for the oppressed.. you can thank the feminists for enlightening us all as to what constitutes thuggery and oppression.... anything we 'feel' or even claim to feel.

I'm terrified to go to the opera these days in case my senses and sensibilities are assaulted by chauvinistic interpretations of classics.....
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Valkie labels everyone who he is scared off as a thug, that includes just about everyone.
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Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 8:48pm:
Not me - I'm just using the word 'thug' here to keep up my end of the campaign to reduce the value of words.... but you have to admit that the violence of cyclists running lights and breaking the law at whim and such is a true epidemic....


When I used to run red lights on my pushy I'd make sure I pulled a good wheelie, that way people are like, hey dude, cool wheelie instead of, dickhead bike rider.
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Gordon wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 10:58am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 8:48pm:
Not me - I'm just using the word 'thug' here to keep up my end of the campaign to reduce the value of words.... but you have to admit that the violence of cyclists running lights and breaking the law at whim and such is a true epidemic....


When I used to run red lights on my pushy I'd make sure I pulled a good wheelie, that way people are like, hey dude, cool wheelie instead of, dickhead bike rider.



That's the way - offer them something positive and entertaining... leave 'em laughing when you go....
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Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 11:21am:
Gordon wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 10:58am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 8:48pm:
Not me - I'm just using the word 'thug' here to keep up my end of the campaign to reduce the value of words.... but you have to admit that the violence of cyclists running lights and breaking the law at whim and such is a true epidemic....


When I used to run red lights on my pushy I'd make sure I pulled a good wheelie, that way people are like, hey dude, cool wheelie instead of, dickhead bike rider.



That's the way - offer them something positive and entertaining... leave 'em laughing when you go....


In my younger years I had the ability (and stupidity) to be able to pull a mono on a motorbike while filtering between cars. In my entire years of wheelie pulling, never clipped me a single mirror.
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Rhino wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 10:45am:
Valkie labels everyone who he is scared off as a thug, that includes just about everyone.


Now you are just being silly.

But coming from you I guess you are too afraid to go outside, so you think everyone is a COWARD like you.

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Gordon wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 11:38am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 11:21am:
Gordon wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 10:58am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 8:48pm:
Not me - I'm just using the word 'thug' here to keep up my end of the campaign to reduce the value of words.... but you have to admit that the violence of cyclists running lights and breaking the law at whim and such is a true epidemic....


When I used to run red lights on my pushy I'd make sure I pulled a good wheelie, that way people are like, hey dude, cool wheelie instead of, dickhead bike rider.



That's the way - offer them something positive and entertaining... leave 'em laughing when you go....


In my younger years I had the ability (and stupidity) to be able to pull a mono on a motorbike while filtering between cars. In my entire years of wheelie pulling, never clipped me a single mirror.


I never liked popping wheelies on my bike.
1) It was worth too much
2) the damn thing was nearly 300 kg fully dressed.
3) I wasn't that good that I could hols a 6 cylinder bike up for longer than a couple of seconds and coming down really worked tho poor things suspension.

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Valkie what sort of image normally pops into your head when you hear the word thug? A fat old man in lycra pants?
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Valkie what sort of image normally pops into your head when you hear the word thug? A fat old man in lycra pants?


What are you after?

You sound just like peccamitty, harping on about nothing to try and score some pathetic point in your silly little world.

I'll play you game once and only once freepecca.

I actually don't have any picture of a thug in mind.
I gave up thinking about cowards and bullies when I realised that underneath that tough exterior, lies a pathetic coward.
These creatures do not scare me or even threaten me.
But I dislike that they may threaten my family.

18 years of martial arts and a healthy dose of competitive fighting for 6 years has knocked the fear out of me.
Finally, my collection of knives and training in karambit fighting still gives me an edge even though I'm 60 years old.

So
If I picture a thug, I guess I see a COWARD who uses means other than skill to intimidate or threaten people.

Sort of like a troll, except that trolls threaten no one but themselves.
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freediver wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 6:16pm:
Valkie what sort of image normally pops into your head when you hear the word thug? A fat old man in lycra pants?


Thuggery is as thuggery does, as they say down in Green Bow... when a sweet looking lady (with or without a Dutch accent) tries to change your point of view by beating you about the head and demanding... that's thuggery... even if their ad lib lines are well rehearsed, your heart will still cry out for truth...

When a government imposes via the legislative process a 'law' or allows a regulation that is abusive and contravenes Law Itself... that is thuggery....


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d.

So
If I picture a thug, I guess I see a COWARD who uses means other than skill to intimidate or threaten people.


You mean like people with knives? I agree. Only a coward would use a weapon to try and intimidate someone.
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I agree with Valkie.  Number plates for bikes must become mandatory.  And, imo, bike riders/owners should also pay rego, insurance, the whole deal.  Only when government becomes realistic and introduces these will bike riders be able to legally claim their right to ride amongst traffic

and only when bike riders/owners are as easily identifiable as motorised vehicle owners/drivers will they grasp their need to ride responsibly and considerately

Currently, any malcontent bike rider is free to put up a highly edited video on YouTube, presenting themselves as an innocent victim

Only when bike riders/owners are fully identifiable via rego plates will the constant presence of dash cam footage force them to quit their chip on shoulder behaviours

Rego plates and penalties for contravening road rules will reduce the number of 'incidents' overnight.  So why hasn't government introduced such measures years ago?
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I agree with Valkie.  Number plates for bikes must become mandatory.  And, imo, bike riders/owners should also pay rego, insurance, the whole deal.  Only when government becomes realistic and introduces these will bike riders be able to legally claim their right to ride amongst traffic



1. I do pay rego for my car.
2. I pay insurance for my bike.
3. What would be a fair rego for my bike? GVM? because compared to a car, I'd be paying 4 dollars for my bike.
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The cost of the paperwork would be an order of magnitude higher than what you can get a new bike for. This is nanny state gone crazy.

Don't you think it's a bit of a hysterical over-reaction to call them thugs?
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PZ547 wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:03pm:
I agree with Valkie.  Number plates for bikes must become mandatory.  And, imo, bike riders/owners should also pay rego, insurance, the whole deal.  Only when government becomes realistic and introduces these will bike riders be able to legally claim their right to ride amongst traffic



1. I do pay rego for my car.
2. I pay insurance for my bike.
3. What would be a fair rego for my bike? GVM? because compared to a car, I'd be paying 4 dollars for my bike.



Rego plates must be introduced for bikes.  They need to be identifiable to other road users and as legally recognised evidence, imo

Compared to what an injured bike rider would cost in repair and rehab, I believe bike rego should be whatever a bike rider believes his medical costs would be were he to be scraped up still alive but basically mush, from the road and from vehicles body-work

How much value do you place on your life?  Seeing as a bike rider places his life and injury in the hands of motorised vehicle drivers, how much do you believe it would cost to put you back together to the point you could work and walk?

Do you have enough insurace to get you through old age should you become injured whilst riding?  That's a problem for you to consider, firstly.  But it's also something which will effect other road users.  You lying encased in steel and plaster in a hospital bed for twelve or more months, or again filling a bed while you languish in coma for several years, impacts everyone, not least of all being police and emergency services, workers forced to be late for work while your bits are scraped up

So the issue needs to be brought into line with other road users and road accidents, disputes, etc.  Get bike riders registered and identifiable.  That way, dash cams will speed up the formal dispute process.  And bike riders, once they realise they're identifiable, will have that fact uppermost in their minds as they share the road with others

Considering the road accidents and disputes generated by bike riders, I believe bike-rego should be substantial and should exceed rego costs for motorised vehicles
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PZ547 wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:36pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:13pm:
PZ547 wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:03pm:
I agree with Valkie.  Number plates for bikes must become mandatory.  And, imo, bike riders/owners should also pay rego, insurance, the whole deal.  Only when government becomes realistic and introduces these will bike riders be able to legally claim their right to ride amongst traffic



1. I do pay rego for my car.
2. I pay insurance for my bike.
3. What would be a fair rego for my bike? GVM? because compared to a car, I'd be paying 4 dollars for my bike.



Rego plates must be introduced for bikes.  They need to be identifiable to other road users and as legally recognised evidence, imo

Compared to what an injured bike rider would cost in repair and rehab, I believe bike rego should be whatever a bike rider believes his medical costs would be were he to be scraped up still alive but basically mush, from the road and from vehicles body-work

How much value do you place on your life?  Seeing as a bike rider places his life and injury in the hands of motorised vehicle drivers, how much do you believe it would cost to put you back together to the point you could work and walk?

Do you have enough insurace to get you through old age should you become injured whilst riding?  That's a problem for you to consider, firstly.  But it's also something which will effect other road users.  You lying encased in steel and plaster in a hospital bed for twelve or more months, or again filling a bed while you languish in coma for several years, impacts everyone, not least of all being police and emergency services, workers forced to be late for work while your bits are scraped up

So the issue needs to be brought into line with other road users and road accidents, disputes, etc.  Get bike riders registered and identifiable.  That way, dash cams will speed up the formal dispute process.  And bike riders, once they realise they're identifiable, will have that fact uppermost in their minds as they share the road with others

Considering the road accidents and disputes generated by bike riders, I believe bike-rego should be substantial and should exceed rego costs for motorised vehicles




Do motorists pay based on their likelihood to turn to mush in a crash?

How do you propose I become identifiable without completely ruining my drag factor. You might not think thats important, but it is for me.

Plus, as per usual, the whole thing is being built up out of proportion by motorists.
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I agree with Valkie.  Number plates for bikes must become mandatory.  And, imo, bike riders/owners should also pay rego, insurance, the whole deal.


The cost of the paperwork would be an order of magnitude higher than what you can get a new bike for. This is nanny state gone crazy.

Don't you think it's a bit of a hysterical over-reaction to call them thugs?



Are you attempting to bait me?

Where, in my initial post (or subsequent for that matter) did I use the word 'thug' ?

So whose 'hysterical overreaction' are you referring to?

We differ in our interpretation of 'nanny state gone crazy'. 
The nanny state gone absurd is nowhere more evident than a government telling motorised vehicles of massive weight and power on overcrowded roads, to watch out for the difficult to see, almost two or even one dimensional bike-riding figure in amongst forests of hoardings, advertisement (many flashing) road signs, other vehicles of varying sizes, side roads, merging roads, traffic lights, three lanes of packed vehicles


Maybe it's a form of population culling, this life-risking bike riding? 


Oh, but it makes bike riders healthier, fitter 


Sure, sucking up diesel and road fumes has always been recognised as a healthy, life prolonging pursuit said no one


I enjoy bike riding.  Haven't done any for a while.  But even on country roads with clear line of sight, fresh air, the risks were there.  Weaving in and out of bumper to bumper traffic, trucks of every description, breathing in constant toxins, hated and feared by other road users --- how would that be described?  Suicidal?  Provocative?  Dangerous?  Stress causing and stress laden ?  Why would anyone do it, unless forced to by total poverty?
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Cyclists should not be sharing roads with motor vehicles, far too often I see perfectly good bike paths unused while these cycle nutters mix with cars and trucks.
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Cyclists should not be sharing roads with motor vehicles, far too often I see perfectly good bike paths unused while these cycle nutters mix with cars and trucks.




Whilst I agree with you in some cases, the problem is that bike paths are more windy and have more stops than the road and the one thing cyclists hate doing is stopping and starting. Thats why they go on the roads.


Personally I ride on the roads for my commute where there is a safe designated bike lane on the road, but then will go to the bike path where there is not one. On my weekend rides in the country, then I will go on the roads.
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PZ547 wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:36pm:
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PZ547 wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:03pm:
I agree with Valkie.  Number plates for bikes must become mandatory.  And, imo, bike riders/owners should also pay rego, insurance, the whole deal.  Only when government becomes realistic and introduces these will bike riders be able to legally claim their right to ride amongst traffic



1. I do pay rego for my car.
2. I pay insurance for my bike.
3. What would be a fair rego for my bike? GVM? because compared to a car, I'd be paying 4 dollars for my bike.



Rego plates must be introduced for bikes.  They need to be identifiable to other road users and as legally recognised evidence, imo

Compared to what an injured bike rider would cost in repair and rehab, I believe bike rego should be whatever a bike rider believes his medical costs would be were he to be scraped up still alive but basically mush, from the road and from vehicles body-work

How much value do you place on your life?  Seeing as a bike rider places his life and injury in the hands of motorised vehicle drivers, how much do you believe it would cost to put you back together to the point you could work and walk?

Do you have enough insurace to get you through old age should you become injured whilst riding?  That's a problem for you to consider, firstly.  But it's also something which will effect other road users.  You lying encased in steel and plaster in a hospital bed for twelve or more months, or again filling a bed while you languish in coma for several years, impacts everyone, not least of all being police and emergency services, workers forced to be late for work while your bits are scraped up

So the issue needs to be brought into line with other road users and road accidents, disputes, etc.  Get bike riders registered and identifiable.  That way, dash cams will speed up the formal dispute process.  And bike riders, once they realise they're identifiable, will have that fact uppermost in their minds as they share the road with others

Considering the road accidents and disputes generated by bike riders, I believe bike-rego should be substantial and should exceed rego costs for motorised vehicles




Do motorists pay based on their likelihood to turn to mush in a crash?

How do you propose I become identifiable without completely ruining my drag factor. You might not think thats important, but it is for me.

Plus, as per usual, the whole thing is being built up out of proportion by motorists.




Maybe you're stirring, who knows


If you're not, my response is:  your drag factor and/or lack of it is not my concern.  Being able to identify you in response to your claim to police that I menaced you is of importance to me.  Being able to show police how you cut me off, gave me the finger, deliberately impeded my own or other vehicles' ability to utilize the road for its intended purpose will be of immense satisfaction to me, as will teh knowledge that you ran out of points, will be prevented from riding the roads for a specified period and after undertaking retraining


Yes, I want to see standard size rego plates on all push bikes.  And I want all push bike riders to pay a substantial sum in return for the privilege of sharing the road with majority motorised vehicles



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Actually not stirring. Big license plates will slow me down.
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Actually not stirring. Big license plates will slow me down.


Sitting in buses and trains and bumper to bumper traffic slows down most commuters

You join the club when you ride on the road.  Take it or leave it
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  Being able to show police how you cut me off, gave me the finger, deliberately impeded my own or other vehicles' ability to utilize the road for its intended purpose will be of immense satisfaction to me, as will teh knowledge that you ran out of points, will be prevented from riding the roads for a specified period and after undertaking retraining





Since I haven't done that to any driver, why do I need a rego plate? I'm too busy concentrating on my riding to give you the finger.  I mean lets face it 99.999% of motorists and 99.999% of cyclists do the right thing. I'm not looking to have motorists rights removed, so bugger off trying to remove mine.
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:56pm:
Actually not stirring. Big license plates will slow me down.


Sitting in buses and trains and bumper to bumper traffic slows down most commuters

You join the club when you ride on the road.  Take it or leave it



And by riding on my bike, I'm removing a car from the bumper to bumper traffic. You should be getting off your fat arse and thanking me for doing that.
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:58pm:
PZ547 wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:54pm:
  Being able to show police how you cut me off, gave me the finger, deliberately impeded my own or other vehicles' ability to utilize the road for its intended purpose will be of immense satisfaction to me, as will teh knowledge that you ran out of points, will be prevented from riding the roads for a specified period and after undertaking retraining





Since I haven't done that to any driver, why do I need a rego plate? I'm too busy concentrating on my riding to give you the finger.  I mean lets face it 99.999% of motorists and 99.999% of cyclists do the right thing. I'm not looking to have motorists rights removed, so bugger off trying to remove mine.



You've said everything any driver needs to know about you, right there

That's a truly infantile response


' I'm not looking to have motorists' rights removed so bugger off trying to remove mine' ... says you.  Says the reasoning of a six year old when confronted with reason


Well here's the news.  Amputation of your lower limbs will remove your abilities to use the roads and not even the six year old's big bottom lip could dispute that

then poof goes all the alleged 'fitness and health'.  Reliant on others to go to the toilet and necessity to learn to use a motorised wheelchair, plus ability to afford it and its upkeep, being feet lower than the average supermarket user --- damn, hell of a price, eh? 

So never mind your bottom lip.  Get a big rego plate affixed to your seat.  Pay up to use the road and for the privilege of inconveniencing all those who learned to control big bottom lip syndrome decades ago.  Mind the road rules like a good little citizen.  Stop at lights, stay in your lane, signal when turning, and fit in.  Be mindful that you are being recorded constantly

oh, and watch out for all those truck drivers who, despite your 'importance', simply fail to see you there on those narrow two wheels with no protection at all.  Because those trucks could put you in a wheelchair, motorised or not, for life

No one is permitted to drive a go-cart in traffic.  Why?  Because they are difficult to see, for one.  And a go-cart is more visible to other road users than a push bike

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PZ547 wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 1:13pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:58pm:
PZ547 wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:54pm:
  Being able to show police how you cut me off, gave me the finger, deliberately impeded my own or other vehicles' ability to utilize the road for its intended purpose will be of immense satisfaction to me, as will teh knowledge that you ran out of points, will be prevented from riding the roads for a specified period and after undertaking retraining





Since I haven't done that to any driver, why do I need a rego plate? I'm too busy concentrating on my riding to give you the finger.  I mean lets face it 99.999% of motorists and 99.999% of cyclists do the right thing. I'm not looking to have motorists rights removed, so bugger off trying to remove mine.



You've said everything any driver needs to know about you, right there

That's a truly infantile response


' I'm not looking to have motorists' rights removed so bugger off trying to remove mine' ... says you.  Says the reasoning of a six year old when confronted with reason


Well here's the news.  Amputation of your lower limbs will remove your abilities to use the roads and not even the six year old's big bottom lip could dispute that

then poof goes all the alleged 'fitness and health'.  Reliant on others to go to the toilet and necessity to learn to use a motorised wheelchair, plus ability to afford it and its upkeep, being feet lower than the average supermarket user --- damn, hell of a price, eh? 

So never mind your bottom lip.  Get a big rego plate affixed to your seat.  Pay up to use the road and for the privilege of inconveniencing all those who learned to control big bottom lip syndrome decades ago.  Mind the road rules like a good little citizen.  Stop at lights, stay in your lane, signal when turning, and fit in.  Be mindful that you are being recorded constantly

oh, and watch out for all those truck drivers who, despite your 'importance', simply fail to see you there on those narrow two wheels with no protection at all.  Because those trucks could put you in a wheelchair, motorised or not, for life

No one is permitted to drive a go-cart in traffic.  Why?  Because they are difficult to see, for one.  And a go-cart is more visible to other road users than a push bike






So you ignored all the other statements and focused on the end. Well done. And we have lots of legislation about increasing visibility of bikes on the road. We now have to use lights.
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So never mind your bottom lip.  Get a big rego plate affixed to your seat.  Pay up to use the road and for the privilege of inconveniencing all those who learned to control big bottom lip syndrome decades ago.  Mind the road rules like a good little citizen.  Stop at lights, stay in your lane, signal when turning, and fit in.  Be mindful that you are being recorded constantly

oh, and watch out for all those truck drivers who, despite your 'importance', simply fail to see you there on those narrow two wheels with no protection at all.  Because those trucks could put you in a wheelchair, motorised or not, for life





1. I already signal, stay in my lane and follow the road rules. WHy do I need a plate.
2. If truck drivers cant see me on the road, then they shouldnt be driving. Cyclists are about as prominent as motorcycles.
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But how about a compromise PZ. How about a license plate like a race plate?
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Actually not stirring. Big license plates will slow me down.


But you and your pals are already slowing motorists down.
Oh the irony.  Grin Grin Grin
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:56pm:
Actually not stirring. Big license plates will slow me down.


But you and your pals are already slowing motorists down.
Oh the irony.  Grin Grin Grin




So what were you planning on doing with the 5 secs you usually wait to overtake a cyclist.
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 1:15pm:
PZ547 wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 1:13pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:58pm:
PZ547 wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:54pm:
  Being able to show police how you cut me off, gave me the finger, deliberately impeded my own or other vehicles' ability to utilize the road for its intended purpose will be of immense satisfaction to me, as will teh knowledge that you ran out of points, will be prevented from riding the roads for a specified period and after undertaking retraining





Since I haven't done that to any driver, why do I need a rego plate? I'm too busy concentrating on my riding to give you the finger.  I mean lets face it 99.999% of motorists and 99.999% of cyclists do the right thing. I'm not looking to have motorists rights removed, so bugger off trying to remove mine.



You've said everything any driver needs to know about you, right there

That's a truly infantile response


' I'm not looking to have motorists' rights removed so bugger off trying to remove mine' ... says you.  Says the reasoning of a six year old when confronted with reason


Well here's the news.  Amputation of your lower limbs will remove your abilities to use the roads and not even the six year old's big bottom lip could dispute that

then poof goes all the alleged 'fitness and health'.  Reliant on others to go to the toilet and necessity to learn to use a motorised wheelchair, plus ability to afford it and its upkeep, being feet lower than the average supermarket user --- damn, hell of a price, eh? 

So never mind your bottom lip.  Get a big rego plate affixed to your seat.  Pay up to use the road and for the privilege of inconveniencing all those who learned to control big bottom lip syndrome decades ago.  Mind the road rules like a good little citizen.  Stop at lights, stay in your lane, signal when turning, and fit in.  Be mindful that you are being recorded constantly

oh, and watch out for all those truck drivers who, despite your 'importance', simply fail to see you there on those narrow two wheels with no protection at all.  Because those trucks could put you in a wheelchair, motorised or not, for life

No one is permitted to drive a go-cart in traffic.  Why?  Because they are difficult to see, for one.  And a go-cart is more visible to other road users than a push bike






So you ignored all the other statements and focused on the end. Well done. And we have lots of legislation about increasing visibility of bikes on the road. We now have to use lights.



Road users are required to conform.  For example, modifications to motorised vehicles are prohibited in many instances.  Motorists are required to submit their vehicle to inspection.  Height from road surface, wheels, tyres, etc. result in restriction of driving privileges until the vehicle is brought into line with regulations

That is the future most people, not only motorists, envisage for bikes, bike riders.  And that's perfectly reasonable

In the future, bikes will have to be registered and insured, etc. and will be required to conform with regulations

Bike riders will be subject to all the rules and regulations currently imposed on drivers of motorised vehicles

People will vote for that.  Pollticians are reliant on votes.  Bike riding will be as restrictive as driving  with the addition of specially designed and expensive body-protection: knees, elbows, arms, legs, neg braces, teflon face masks, full-body coocoons and bulky airbags front, rear and sides, not to mention limited-use helmets
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We already are expected to conform to the road rules and have a suitable bike for the road.
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Helmets have to met Australian Standards. Bikes have to met certain standards. Tyres and components do as well.


I'm already insured for CTP insurance on my bike, and I have personal injury cover. In terms of being injured by a motorist and therefore having their insurance pay, well if its their fault so they should.


But then again, I'm happy to pay my rego based on gross vehicle mass like cars and trucks do.
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And what do you mean limited-use helmets?
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:56pm:
Actually not stirring. Big license plates will slow me down.


But you and your pals are already slowing motorists down.
Oh the irony.  Grin Grin Grin




So what were you planning on doing with the 5 secs you usually wait to overtake a cyclist.



Same thing you plan on doing going 5kph less    Wink
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Cyclists should not be sharing roads with motor vehicles, far too often I see perfectly good bike paths unused while these cycle nutters mix with cars and trucks.




Whilst I agree with you in some cases, the problem is that bike paths are more windy and have more stops than the road and the one thing cyclists hate doing is stopping and starting. Thats why they go on the roads.


Personally I ride on the roads for my commute where there is a safe designated bike lane on the road, but then will go to the bike path where there is not one. On my weekend rides in the country, then I will go on the roads.
I dont think motorists can ever be trained to respect or even see cyclists, same goes for motorbikes. Im an occasional bike rider and I dont go anywhere near motorists. I had a nasty incident at a set of lights about 4 years ago with a car running a red light which taught me a lesson. Doesnt matter if you are in the right if death or permanent disability is the reward. I dodged a bullet, I dont argue the case anymore over who is right or wrong, I just stick to the paths no matter how long it takes.
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 1:23pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 1:21pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:56pm:
Actually not stirring. Big license plates will slow me down.


But you and your pals are already slowing motorists down.
Oh the irony.  Grin Grin Grin




So what were you planning on doing with the 5 secs you usually wait to overtake a cyclist.



Same thing you plan on doing going 5kph less    Wink



True, but I'd just make up for it by riding a longer distance.
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:51pm:
Rhino wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:48pm:
Cyclists should not be sharing roads with motor vehicles, far too often I see perfectly good bike paths unused while these cycle nutters mix with cars and trucks.




Whilst I agree with you in some cases, the problem is that bike paths are more windy and have more stops than the road and the one thing cyclists hate doing is stopping and starting. Thats why they go on the roads.


Personally I ride on the roads for my commute where there is a safe designated bike lane on the road, but then will go to the bike path where there is not one. On my weekend rides in the country, then I will go on the roads.
I dont think motorists can ever be trained to respect or even see cyclists, same goes for motorbikes. Im an occasional bike rider and I dont go anywhere near motorists. I had a nasty incident at a set of lights about 4 years ago with a car running a red light which taught me a lesson. Doesnt matter if you are in the right if death or permanent disability is the reward. I dodged a bullet, I dont argue the case anymore over who is right or wrong, I just stick to the paths no matter how long it takes.





I don't know., I think the overwhelming majority of drivers are fine.
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:51pm:
Rhino wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:48pm:
Cyclists should not be sharing roads with motor vehicles, far too often I see perfectly good bike paths unused while these cycle nutters mix with cars and trucks.




Whilst I agree with you in some cases, the problem is that bike paths are more windy and have more stops than the road and the one thing cyclists hate doing is stopping and starting. Thats why they go on the roads.


Personally I ride on the roads for my commute where there is a safe designated bike lane on the road, but then will go to the bike path where there is not one. On my weekend rides in the country, then I will go on the roads.
I dont think motorists can ever be trained to respect or even see cyclists, same goes for motorbikes. Im an occasional bike rider and I dont go anywhere near motorists. I had a nasty incident at a set of lights about 4 years ago with a car running a red light which taught me a lesson. Doesnt matter if you are in the right if death or permanent disability is the reward. I dodged a bullet, I dont argue the case anymore over who is right or wrong, I just stick to the paths no matter how long it takes.





I don't know., I think the overwhelming majority of drivers are fine.
Majority, sure. You only need to get clobbered by the minority.
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 1:54pm:
Rhino wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 1:51pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:51pm:
Rhino wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:48pm:
Cyclists should not be sharing roads with motor vehicles, far too often I see perfectly good bike paths unused while these cycle nutters mix with cars and trucks.




Whilst I agree with you in some cases, the problem is that bike paths are more windy and have more stops than the road and the one thing cyclists hate doing is stopping and starting. Thats why they go on the roads.


Personally I ride on the roads for my commute where there is a safe designated bike lane on the road, but then will go to the bike path where there is not one. On my weekend rides in the country, then I will go on the roads.
I dont think motorists can ever be trained to respect or even see cyclists, same goes for motorbikes. Im an occasional bike rider and I dont go anywhere near motorists. I had a nasty incident at a set of lights about 4 years ago with a car running a red light which taught me a lesson. Doesnt matter if you are in the right if death or permanent disability is the reward. I dodged a bullet, I dont argue the case anymore over who is right or wrong, I just stick to the paths no matter how long it takes.





I don't know., I think the overwhelming majority of drivers are fine.
Majority, sure. You only need to get clobbered by the minority.




True, I tend to get honked at and distance tested more
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d.

So
If I picture a thug, I guess I see a COWARD who uses means other than skill to intimidate or threaten people.


You mean like people with knives? I agree. Only a coward would use a weapon to try and intimidate someone.


I would not use it other than in self defence, or training.

But use it I would, without hesitation.

If it's between me and them, it's me every time.

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I agree with Valkie.  Number plates for bikes must become mandatory.  And, imo, bike riders/owners should also pay rego, insurance, the whole deal.  Only when government becomes realistic and introduces these will bike riders be able to legally claim their right to ride amongst traffic



1. I do pay rego for my car.
2. I pay insurance for my bike.
3. What would be a fair rego for my bike? GVM? because compared to a car, I'd be paying 4 dollars for my bike.


I tend to lean both ways on the cost.
While I feel that prego should be compulsory on bikes, one must consider the primary reason for riding one, it's cheap exercise.
I think imposing insurance, rego fees and all the other over the top expenses would detract from the BENIFITS to society gained from people riding bikes.

Perhaps a small fee for the purchase of the Number plate and registering the owner, but less than 20 bucks, or even tacked onto drivers reno, after all many drivers ride bikes as well.

The primary reason for the plates is not to raise revenue, or to keep track of vehicles, but simply to enable identification of riders who flaunt the law and act aggressively.


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The cost of the paperwork would be an order of magnitude higher than what you can get a new bike for. This is nanny state gone crazy.

Don't you think it's a bit of a hysterical over-reaction to call them thugs?


You have obviously never been to Sydney and seen couriers in action.
Thugs accurately describes them.
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I agree with Valkie.  Number plates for bikes must become mandatory.  And, imo, bike riders/owners should also pay rego, insurance, the whole deal.


The cost of the paperwork would be an order of magnitude higher than what you can get a new bike for. This is nanny state gone crazy.

Don't you think it's a bit of a hysterical over-reaction to call them thugs?


You have obviously never been to Sydney and seen couriers in action.
Thugs accurately describes them.




Isn't that just bike couriers rather than cyclists?
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:24pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:19pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
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I agree with Valkie.  Number plates for bikes must become mandatory.  And, imo, bike riders/owners should also pay rego, insurance, the whole deal.


The cost of the paperwork would be an order of magnitude higher than what you can get a new bike for. This is nanny state gone crazy.

Don't you think it's a bit of a hysterical over-reaction to call them thugs?


You have obviously never been to Sydney and seen couriers in action.
Thugs accurately describes them.




Isn't that just bike couriers rather than cyclists?


They are on cycles, the abuse the laws and rules.

They are examples.
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Reply #186 - Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:36pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:25pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:24pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:19pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
Quote:
I agree with Valkie.  Number plates for bikes must become mandatory.  And, imo, bike riders/owners should also pay rego, insurance, the whole deal.


The cost of the paperwork would be an order of magnitude higher than what you can get a new bike for. This is nanny state gone crazy.

Don't you think it's a bit of a hysterical over-reaction to call them thugs?


You have obviously never been to Sydney and seen couriers in action.
Thugs accurately describes them.




Isn't that just bike couriers rather than cyclists?


They are on cycles, the abuse the laws and rules.

They are examples.



So thus I should judge all drivers by the fact most taxi drivers cant drive for poo.
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Reply #187 - Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:40pm
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:36pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:25pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:24pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:19pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
Quote:
I agree with Valkie.  Number plates for bikes must become mandatory.  And, imo, bike riders/owners should also pay rego, insurance, the whole deal.


The cost of the paperwork would be an order of magnitude higher than what you can get a new bike for. This is nanny state gone crazy.

Don't you think it's a bit of a hysterical over-reaction to call them thugs?


You have obviously never been to Sydney and seen couriers in action.
Thugs accurately describes them.




Isn't that just bike couriers rather than cyclists?


They are on cycles, the abuse the laws and rules.

They are examples.



So thus I should judge all drivers by the fact most taxi drivers cant drive for poo.


Yeah

That's a gimme.
But then, what nationality are most cab drivers today?
Say no more.

I'm not saying all bike riders are total morons.

But there are a considerable number out there who obviously do not have any grasp whatsoever about physics.
A large vehicle, especially a truck, can't stop on tuppence, bike riders seem to think they can and should.
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Reply #188 - Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:41pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:40pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:36pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:25pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:24pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:19pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
Quote:
I agree with Valkie.  Number plates for bikes must become mandatory.  And, imo, bike riders/owners should also pay rego, insurance, the whole deal.


The cost of the paperwork would be an order of magnitude higher than what you can get a new bike for. This is nanny state gone crazy.

Don't you think it's a bit of a hysterical over-reaction to call them thugs?


You have obviously never been to Sydney and seen couriers in action.
Thugs accurately describes them.




Isn't that just bike couriers rather than cyclists?


They are on cycles, the abuse the laws and rules.

They are examples.



So thus I should judge all drivers by the fact most taxi drivers cant drive for poo.


Yeah

That's a gimme.
But then, what nationality are most cab drivers today?
Say no more.

I'm not saying all bike riders are total morons.

But there are a considerable number out there who obviously do not have any grasp whatsoever about physics.
A large vehicle, especially a truck, can't stop on tuppence, bike riders seem to think they can and should.



A lot of car drivers do the same.

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Reply #189 - Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:45pm
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:41pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:40pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:36pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:25pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:24pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:19pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
Quote:
I agree with Valkie.  Number plates for bikes must become mandatory.  And, imo, bike riders/owners should also pay rego, insurance, the whole deal.


The cost of the paperwork would be an order of magnitude higher than what you can get a new bike for. This is nanny state gone crazy.

Don't you think it's a bit of a hysterical over-reaction to call them thugs?


You have obviously never been to Sydney and seen couriers in action.
Thugs accurately describes them.




Isn't that just bike couriers rather than cyclists?


They are on cycles, the abuse the laws and rules.

They are examples.



So thus I should judge all drivers by the fact most taxi drivers cant drive for poo.


Yeah

That's a gimme.
But then, what nationality are most cab drivers today?
Say no more.

I'm not saying all bike riders are total morons.

But there are a considerable number out there who obviously do not have any grasp whatsoever about physics.
A large vehicle, especially a truck, can't stop on tuppence, bike riders seem to think they can and should.



A lot of car drivers do the same.



No argument there.

I've just come back from a holiday and driving through Sydney I saw some unbelievable stupidity that cars were doing to trucks on Pennant hills road.

Anyone woukd have thought they were all channeling unforeskin.
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Reply #190 - Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:49pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:45pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:41pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:40pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:36pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:25pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:24pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:19pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
Quote:
I agree with Valkie.  Number plates for bikes must become mandatory.  And, imo, bike riders/owners should also pay rego, insurance, the whole deal.


The cost of the paperwork would be an order of magnitude higher than what you can get a new bike for. This is nanny state gone crazy.

Don't you think it's a bit of a hysterical over-reaction to call them thugs?


You have obviously never been to Sydney and seen couriers in action.
Thugs accurately describes them.




Isn't that just bike couriers rather than cyclists?


They are on cycles, the abuse the laws and rules.

They are examples.



So thus I should judge all drivers by the fact most taxi drivers cant drive for poo.


Yeah

That's a gimme.
But then, what nationality are most cab drivers today?
Say no more.

I'm not saying all bike riders are total morons.

But there are a considerable number out there who obviously do not have any grasp whatsoever about physics.
A large vehicle, especially a truck, can't stop on tuppence, bike riders seem to think they can and should.



A lot of car drivers do the same.



No argument there.

I've just come back from a holiday and driving through Sydney I saw some unbelievable stupidity that cars were doing to trucks on Pennant hills road.

Anyone woukd have thought they were all channeling unforeskin.



I think thats my general point. I won't deny there are dickhead cyclists, but I dont think the problem is any worse than dickhead car, truck, bus drivers.
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But cars, trucks and motorcycles can be easily identified.

Cyclists cannot, they therefore believe anything goes and they cant be caught.

Make them identifiable and we would have at least some semblance of fairness.

On a different point of note.

The Cane toads want to register and speed limit disability scooters.

What next? Keeping pensioners indoords without a handler.

Nanny state....Australia.
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Reply #192 - Jun 12th, 2018 at 6:04pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:19pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
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I agree with Valkie.  Number plates for bikes must become mandatory.  And, imo, bike riders/owners should also pay rego, insurance, the whole deal.


The cost of the paperwork would be an order of magnitude higher than what you can get a new bike for. This is nanny state gone crazy.

Don't you think it's a bit of a hysterical over-reaction to call them thugs?


You have obviously never been to Sydney and seen couriers in action.
Thugs accurately describes them.


Been there plenty of times. Never seen and scary pushbike 'thugs'.

Quote:
But cars, trucks and motorcycles can be easily identified.

Cyclists cannot, they therefore believe anything goes and they cant be caught.

Make them identifiable and we would have at least some semblance of fairness.

On a different point of note.

The Cane toads want to register and speed limit disability scooters.

What next? Keeping pensioners indoords without a handler.

Nanny state....Australia.


Same with pedestrians. They should be forced to have a number plate stapled to the back of their head.
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Rhino wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:25am:
Valkie wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 7:16pm:

d.

So
If I picture a thug, I guess I see a COWARD who uses means other than skill to intimidate or threaten people.


You mean like people with knives? I agree. Only a coward would use a weapon to try and intimidate someone.


I would not use it other than in self defence, or training.

But use it I would, without hesitation.

If it's between me and them, it's me every time.

Quick, run back inside, someone might drive down the street and see you.
You poor sad little man, always trying to prove you are a tough guy. You must have lead a very ordinary life.
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Valkie wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 4:47pm:
But cars, trucks and motorcycles can be easily identified.

Cyclists cannot, they therefore believe anything goes and they cant be caught.

Make them identifiable and we would have at least some semblance of fairness.

On a different point of note.

The Cane toads want to register and speed limit disability scooters.

What next? Keeping pensioners indoords without a handler.

Nanny state....Australia.
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Valkie wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:08pm:
Rhino wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:25am:
Valkie wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 7:16pm:

d.

So
If I picture a thug, I guess I see a COWARD who uses means other than skill to intimidate or threaten people.


You mean like people with knives? I agree. Only a coward would use a weapon to try and intimidate someone.


I would not use it other than in self defence, or training.

But use it I would, without hesitation.

If it's between me and them, it's me every time.

Quick, run back inside, someone might drive down the street and see you.
You poor sad little man, always trying to prove you are a tough guy. You must have lead a very ordinary life.


Yes, very ordinary.
I work, I play, I contribute.
But your extraordinary life of sitting in front of a computer too afraid to leave the house, never seeing anything save that you see on your screen, must be so much better.

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Reply #196 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 9:43am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 6:04pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:19pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
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I agree with Valkie.  Number plates for bikes must become mandatory.  And, imo, bike riders/owners should also pay rego, insurance, the whole deal.


The cost of the paperwork would be an order of magnitude higher than what you can get a new bike for. This is nanny state gone crazy.

Don't you think it's a bit of a hysterical over-reaction to call them thugs?


You have obviously never been to Sydney and seen couriers in action.
Thugs accurately describes them.


Been there plenty of times. Never seen and scary pushbike 'thugs'.

Quote:
But cars, trucks and motorcycles can be easily identified.

Cyclists cannot, they therefore believe anything goes and they cant be caught.

Make them identifiable and we would have at least some semblance of fairness.

On a different point of note.

The Cane toads want to register and speed limit disability scooters.

What next? Keeping pensioners indoords without a handler.

Nanny state....Australia.


Same with pedestrians. They should be forced to have a number plate stapled to the back of their head.



Lol, I agree. Particularly on bike paths when people are on their mobile phones and not looking.
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They should also have a go-go-gadget style flashing light on top of their head. These pedestrians think they can just wander wherever they want, scaring old ladies, little girls, and valkie.
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They should also have a go-go-gadget style flashing light on top of their head. These pedestrians think they can just wander wherever they want, scaring old ladies, little girls, and valkie.



Valkies terrified of MAMILS.
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They should also have a go-go-gadget style flashing light on top of their head. These pedestrians think they can just wander wherever they want, scaring old ladies, little girls, and valkie.
Dont ever think Valkies scared, he carries a knife.
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Rhino wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 11:13am:
freediver wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 10:20am:
They should also have a go-go-gadget style flashing light on top of their head. These pedestrians think they can just wander wherever they want, scaring old ladies, little girls, and valkie.
Dont ever think Valkies scared, he carries a knife.


We should have number plates for those too. Nothing worse than thugs with knives on bikes riding wherever they want.
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Reply #201 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 1:58pm
 
This just happened.

I was in the right lane and slowed down so the car in the left lane would have room to move across to give a bike a meter.
It was down a windy and narrow road with no shoulder. It was also near a building site so the chance of having debris on the road dangerous to a bike was high.

The car in the left lane waved thanks, and the traffic flow in general was improved by the car in the left not having to slow right down.

The car behind beeped me because his progress was impeded by 0.0005% of a bees fart.

At the next lights the car behind pulled level, it was some old half retarded looking guy with a disabled sticker on his window.

I wonder if I'd held him up from racing home to sit alone and eat his meals and wheels lunch.

These are the people that I often find are annoyed by bike riders.
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Reply #202 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 2:07pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 1:58pm:
This just happened.

I was in the right lane and slowed down so the car in the left lane would have room to move across to give a bike a meter.
It was down a windy and narrow road with no shoulder. It was also near a building site so the chance of having debris on the road dangerous to a bike was high.

The car in the left lane waved thanks, and the traffic flow in general was improved by the car in the left not having to slow right down.

The car behind beeped me because his progress was impeded by 0.0005% of a bees fart.

At the next lights the car behind pulled level, it was some old half retarded looking guy with a disabled sticker on his window.

I wonder if I'd held him up from racing home to sit alone and eat his meals and wheels lunch.

These are the people that I often find are annoyed by bike riders.




Indeed, as I said IME its the 0.0001% who are the idiots. (Although they all seem to drive utes)
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The only thing that really scares me is that the big dum horned animal isn't in a mental asylum.

It's a crime that they don't spend the money to help poor unfortunate like him.

Sadly, this is life, but he will never know
because he has never lived.

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Reply #204 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 5:39pm
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 2:07pm:
Gordon wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 1:58pm:
This just happened.

I was in the right lane and slowed down so the car in the left lane would have room to move across to give a bike a meter.
It was down a windy and narrow road with no shoulder. It was also near a building site so the chance of having debris on the road dangerous to a bike was high.

The car in the left lane waved thanks, and the traffic flow in general was improved by the car in the left not having to slow right down.

The car behind beeped me because his progress was impeded by 0.0005% of a bees fart.

At the next lights the car behind pulled level, it was some old half retarded looking guy with a disabled sticker on his window.

I wonder if I'd held him up from racing home to sit alone and eat his meals and wheels lunch.

These are the people that I often find are annoyed by bike riders.




Indeed, as I said IME its the 0.0001% who are the idiots. (Although they all seem to drive utes)


A ute is worth an extra 10 kph, with tradie racks and such add another 10, and if it's a red one... wow! 

Nearly nailed one last night on the freeway - zoomed out from the left into a 110 kph zone while another car was stationary there waiting to go across - luckily there was nothing in the right lane and I swerved around him.

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Reply #205 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 5:47pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 1:58pm:
This just happened.

I was in the right lane and slowed down so the car in the left lane would have room to move across to give a bike a meter.
It was down a windy and narrow road with no shoulder. It was also near a building site so the chance of having debris on the road dangerous to a bike was high.

The car in the left lane waved thanks, and the traffic flow in general was improved by the car in the left not having to slow right down.

The car behind beeped me because his progress was impeded by 0.0005% of a bees fart.

At the next lights the car behind pulled level, it was some old half retarded looking guy with a disabled sticker on his window.

I wonder if I'd held him up from racing home to sit alone and eat his meals and wheels lunch.

These are the people that I often find are annoyed by bike riders.


That was Valkie.
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