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Reply #30 - May 30th, 2018 at 2:28pm
 
Marla wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:20pm:
Coal is coal. Hydrocarbons all burn the same.  Cool



No they don't. They burn. But not all the same.
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Reply #31 - May 30th, 2018 at 2:33pm
 
Marla wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:20pm:
Coal is coal. Hydrocarbons all burn the same.  Cool

diamonds r coal as well, both carbon...... Wink Wink
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Reply #32 - May 30th, 2018 at 2:40pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 1:14pm:
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" 3,601 MW of coal power plant capacity, across 28 units in 16 plants, retired or converted across India this fiscal. During the same period, 8,710 MW of new capacity has been added. "
none was coal all renewable new capacity



I guess you forgot to tell Adani.


"Adani builds coal-fired power plant in India to send energy to Bangladesh "

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/26/adani-builds-coal-fired-power-p...

"According to data released by the federal government agencies, more than 93% of the power generation capacity added in India between October and December 2017 was based on renewable energy technology. "

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/29/almost-all-power-capacity-added-in-india-in...

So 93%in 3 months is ALL. Where do you get your alternative facts from? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


DonDeeHippy wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 1:14pm:
Why do u keep insisting china and india r building lots of coal power stations ???



please quote where I said "lots".

Did I even mention "in China"? We were talking "build".

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 1:14pm:
Not sure why u put up stuff about Japan... because in the general region ??


Because they are building coal fired plants. That wasn't so hard was it?


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Reply #33 - May 30th, 2018 at 3:31pm
 
lee wrote on May 29th, 2018 at 10:36pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 29th, 2018 at 10:29pm:
We should be able to do better in the 21st century than burn stinking coal.

The Chinese & the Indians are pouring huge money into Thorium research.

Cheap, safe, abundant  power awaits us all.



And yet they are still building coal.

I don't see where Booby mentioned Japan... Ohh looks like out of China and India, Adani has built a coal power plant but overall coal power in India has decreased. No idea if china has built any new coal power in last 18 months.
This is why u get so lost just quoting one line Lee you forget what it was your talking about Smiley Wink Wink
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Reply #34 - May 30th, 2018 at 3:41pm
 
Marla wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 2:20pm:
Coal is coal. Hydrocarbons all burn the same.  Cool



No it doesn't.

Remember google is your friend when you are totally ignorant of a subject and not smart enough to keep quiet.

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Reply #35 - May 30th, 2018 at 4:06pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:31pm:
I don't see where Booby mentioned Japan...



Nope.he didn't mention coal fired power in any countries; he was talking on investment in Thorium. Wink

So all are available to look at.

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:31pm:
Ohh looks like out of China and India, Adani has built a coal power plant but overall coal power in India has decreased. No idea if china has built any new coal power in last 18 months.



But you said none were built in India. As for China go and ask them .

Or you can go to [url] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I8GeKEfxPpwkQ_t0GQZx1GQm6MASclEtEtrQX3Y1
nNc/edit#gid=0[/url]

That shows the data to Jan 2018. Annual CO2 levels (MT)

Announced 161 Permitted (Having permits) 142 Shelved 1633 Operating 3573 Cancelled 1122

So  2755MT either cancelled or shelved. But still 161MT announced of which 142MT have permits.

So China is still building Coal Fired power.

"The study also revealed Asia to be the world’s biggest coal-producing region; 85 per cent of new coal power in development in the top 20 coal-producing countries is in Asia, according to the report."

"China continues to lead the world in the amount of coal power capacity under development, despite tightening restrictions on new coal plant projects by the Chinese authorities."

"Vietnam is also considered a major coal hotspot, with large numbers of proposed projects in active development, largely financed by China, Japan and Korea."

http://www.eco-business.com/news/coal-is-in-decline-globally-but-asia-is-driving...

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:31pm:
This is why u get so lost just quoting one line Lee you forget what it was your talking about


It seems you forgot the story is about building coal plant ; in any country. Or perhaps it is you comprehension issues again.
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Reply #36 - May 30th, 2018 at 5:12pm
 
lee wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 4:06pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 30th, 2018 at 3:31pm:
I don't see where Booby mentioned Japan...



Nope.he didn't mention coal fired power in any countries; he was talking on investment in Thorium. Wink





and so it is

Thorium will save the world

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Reply #37 - May 31st, 2018 at 11:04am
 
The embarrassing ignorance of the technically obtuse Greeny types defies description.

Technical stuff is all Greek to a Greeny. People from China would be astounded at how technically ignorant Greeny types are.


As soon as Mal wins the election he will announce the construction of clean coal power stations here in Australia.

Cause then the hysterical shrieking of the Greenies won't matter a damn.

Now hear the Greeny types howl and squeal as they scream their ignorance.




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Clean Coal  the salvation of Australia to prop up the worn out renewable rubbish to keep the lights on.


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Reply #38 - May 31st, 2018 at 11:46am
 
juliar wrote on May 31st, 2018 at 11:04am:
The embarrassing ignorance of the technically obtuse Greeny types defies description.

Technical stuff is all Greek to a Greeny. People from China would be astounded at how technically ignorant Greeny types are.


As soon as Mal wins the election he will announce the construction of clean coal power stations here in Australia.

Cause then the hysterical shrieking of the Greenies won't matter a damn.

Now hear the Greeny types howl and squeal as they scream their ignorance.




https://cdn.technologyreview.com/i/legacy/carbon_scheme_x600.jpg
Clean Coal  the salvation of Australia to prop up the worn out renewable rubbish to keep the lights on.


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KQRHxKbqIzc/maxresdefault.jpg




so now your against hydrogen power plants in SA ?
Hard to keep up Jules Wink Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #39 - May 31st, 2018 at 12:34pm
 
The dumber than dumb DDH (DDT?) is doing it again - copying MY post and adding 1 line of indescribably dumb dribble. But then she is a Greeny type who are known for this sort of thing.

But what is really going on is the normally ignored is trying to get noticed. Didn't work. But ignoring the normally ignored.

Are the unions trying to close down all the industry here in Australia so we won't need a decent power generation ?

Now it seems a lot of people around the world don't believe the bulldust of the Greenies' Global Warming HOAX.




Forget Paris: 1600 New Coal Power Plants Built Around The World
charles the moderator / July 3, 2017

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1,600 new coal-fired power plants are planned or under construction in 62 countries.

When China halted plans for more than 100 new coal-fired power plants this year, even as President Trump vowed to “bring back coal” in America, the contrast seemed to confirm Beijing’s new role as a leader in the fight against climate change.

But new data on the world’s biggest developers of coal-fired power plants paints a very different picture: China’s energy companies will make up nearly half of the new coal generation expected to go online in the next decade.

These Chinese corporations are building or planning to build more than 700 new coal plants at home and around the world, some in countries that today burn little or no coal, according to tallies compiled by Urgewald, an environmental group based in Berlin. Many of the plants are in China, but by capacity, roughly a fifth of these new coal power stations are in other countries.

Over all, 1,600 coal plants are planned or under construction in 62 countries, according to Urgewald’s tally, which uses data from the Global Coal Plant Tracker portal. The new plants would expand the world’s coal-fired power capacity by 43 percent.


The fleet of new coal plants would make it virtually impossible to meet the goals set in the Paris climate accord, which aims to keep the increase in global temperatures from preindustrial levels below 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit.

Electricity generated from fossil fuels like coal is the biggest single contributor globally to the rise in carbon emissions, which scientists agree is causing the Earth’s temperatures to rise.

“Even today, new countries are being brought into the cycle of coal dependency,” said Heffa Schücking, the director of Urgewald.

The United States may also be back in the game. On Thursday, Mr. Trump said he wanted to lift Obama-era restrictions on American financing for overseas coal projects as part of an energy policy focused on exports.

“We have nearly 100 years’ worth of natural gas and more than 250 years’ worth of clean, beautiful coal,” he said. “We will be dominant. We will export American energy all over the world, all around the globe.”

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/07/forget-paris-1600-new-coal-power-plants-buil...


Now read the FULL STORY HERE

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/01/climate/china-energy-companies-coal-plants-cl...
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Reply #40 - May 31st, 2018 at 1:03pm
 
https://reneweconomy.com.au/global-new-coal-plant-pipeline-keeps-shrinking-45886...

The number of new coal plants under development worldwide continues to fall dramatically with a new report revealing a 28 per cent fall in newly completed coal plants in 2017 compared to 2016.
The report, Boom and Bust 2018: Tracking The Global Coal Plant Pipeline by Greenpeace, the Sierra Club and CoalSwarm, also revealed a 29 per cent fall in the number of plants on which construction commenced in 2017. In 2017, the number of plants in the permitting and planning process fell by 22 per cent compared to 2016, bringing the decline to 59 per cent over the last two years.

As India and China curb coal, the pipeline of new coal plants is growing ever more confined to a smaller number of countries.
Although new coal units are under construction at 260 locations in 35 countries, an emerging trend is that new plants are entering construction in only a handful of countries.
In 2017, new coal plant construction commenced at more than one location in only seven countries: Bangladesh, China, India, Indonesia, Japan, Pakistan and South Korea.
In all these countries, growing civil society pressure, public alarm at pollution from coal plants and associated infrastructure and increased wariness of private banks and insurance companies suggests that the coal power plant boom of the last decade may be rapidly drawing to an end. Wink Wink

Doesnt look good for coal worldwide, but hay all u guys that like all the poisons from Fossil Fuels, keep breathing deep Tongue Tongue Tongue
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Reply #41 - May 31st, 2018 at 1:59pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 31st, 2018 at 1:03pm:
The number of new coal plants under development worldwide continues to fall dramatically with a new report revealing a 28 per cent fall in newly completed coal plants in 2017 compared to 2016.



29% of how many? 29 % of 1600 would be 464 leaving 1136.

isn't it marvellous they don't actually give numbers.

Also from your reference-

"All up, China has suspended 444,000 MW of new coal plant projects in the last two years. However, as the report makes clear, some of these decisions are tenuous with some plants suspended only until the end of 2017 and others until 2020. There are even 16,000 MW of coal plants which have notionally been suspended by central government agencies but where construction is proceeding nonetheless."

Suspended not cancelled.
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Reply #42 - May 31st, 2018 at 2:17pm
 
lee wrote on May 31st, 2018 at 1:59pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 31st, 2018 at 1:03pm:
The number of new coal plants under development worldwide continues to fall dramatically with a new report revealing a 28 per cent fall in newly completed coal plants in 2017 compared to 2016.



29% of how many? 29 % of 1600 would be 464 leaving 1136.

isn't it marvellous they don't actually give numbers.

Also from your reference-

"All up, China has suspended 444,000 MW of new coal plant projects in the last two years. However, as the report makes clear, some of these decisions are tenuous with some plants suspended only until the end of 2017 and others until 2020. There are even 16,000 MW of coal plants which have notionally been suspended by central government agencies but where construction is proceeding nonetheless."

Suspended not cancelled.

and still suspended, 29% of 10 would be 7 built..... yes numbers r fun.
In the end coal power plants are not booming anymore the number are going down... not stopped but less and less Wink Wink
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Reply #43 - May 31st, 2018 at 2:20pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 31st, 2018 at 2:17pm:
In the end coal power plants are not booming anymore the number are going down... not stopped but less and less



Yeah. Life's a bitch for you.Not cancelled.

You do understand that those suspended can still be built. Overcapacity is a bitch too.
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Reply #44 - May 31st, 2018 at 2:37pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 31st, 2018 at 2:17pm:
lee wrote on May 31st, 2018 at 1:59pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 31st, 2018 at 1:03pm:
The number of new coal plants under development worldwide continues to fall dramatically with a new report revealing a 28 per cent fall in newly completed coal plants in 2017 compared to 2016.



29% of how many? 29 % of 1600 would be 464 leaving 1136.

isn't it marvellous they don't actually give numbers.

Also from your reference-

"All up, China has suspended 444,000 MW of new coal plant projects in the last two years. However, as the report makes clear, some of these decisions are tenuous with some plants suspended only until the end of 2017 and others until 2020. There are even 16,000 MW of coal plants which have notionally been suspended by central government agencies but where construction is proceeding nonetheless."

Suspended not cancelled.

and still suspended, 29% of 10 would be 7 built..... yes numbers r fun.
In the end coal power plants are not booming anymore the number are going down... not stopped but less and less Wink Wink



Don't hold your breath Hippie, there isn't a country on the planet that afford batteries and solar, and solar / wind are never going to be baseload. Until you lot understand that you will be grasping at straws.

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