Everyone knows the current all electric thing is just a passing fad that will quickly become obsolete (just like 200 years ago for the same reason - long recharge times) once the REAL future hydrogen energy becomes readily available.

Now a renewable energy plant in SA is to be used to produce hydrogen as an energy storage.

Adelaide already has hydrogen powered buses coming.



Neoen plans world’s biggest solar + wind powered hydrogen hub in S.A.
By Giles Parkinson on 7 March 2018


Photomontage of proposed Crystal Brook wind farm, site of wind-solar-hydrogen-battery “Superhub”. Source: Neoen

South Australia is laying claim to another “world’s biggest” storage project, this time with wind and solar-powered hydrogen storage to add to its world’s biggest lithium-ion battery storage installation (the Tesla big battery), and the world’s biggest virtual power plant (Tesla again).

The state Labor government has announced plans to provide initial funding, and ultimately a loan, to help French renewable energy developer Neoen build a 50MW hydrogen “electrolyser” that would be powered by a new wind and solar complex at Crystal Brook, north of Adelaide.

The complex will combine a new wind and solar production facility totalling 300MW, along with a significant amount of battery storage, and lay the foundations to export large quantities of “renewable hydrogen” to Asia, competing as a green alternative to LNG.

Neoen, of course, is the operator of the Hornsdale Power Reserve, the official name of the Tesla big battery, and also has another wind project with battery storage in the pipeline for Nectar Farms, (and again with Tesla) providing 100 per cent renewable energy for the country’s biggest greenhouse.

This new development, at the proposed Crystal Brook energy park , just south of Port Pirie in the state’s mid north, and about 40kms from the Hornsdale complex which houses its 315MW wind farm and the 100MW/129MWh Tesla battery, is of another scale.


It would include 150MW of solar, about 150MW of wind, as well as up to 50MW hydrogen plant along with up to 400MWh of battery storage, again most likely with Tesla.

South Australia will provide a $1 million grant to help Neoen complete its feasibility study for the so-called Hydrogen Superhub, and would then provide a further $4 million grant, and a $20 million loan should the $600 million project go ahead.

These monies would be made available through the Renewable Technology Fund, the same mechanism that has provided funding for the Tesla big battery, and numerous other storage-related projects announced in recent months, including this new micro-grid for University of Adelaide unveiled today.

State energy minister Tom Koutsantonis says the hydrogen plant – 5 times bigger than another facility proposed for Port Lincoln – would produce up to 20,000kg of hydrogen per day, which could open up renewable hydrogen exports to Asia.

“Our hydrogen roadmap has laid the groundwork for South Australia to become a world leader in the emerging hydrogen production industry, and to benefit from the economic opportunities that flow from it,” he said in a statement.



“More renewable energy means cheaper power, and I’m pleased the state government can partner with Neoen to once again develop a world-leading renewable energy and storage project following the construction of the Tesla battery at Jamestown.

“The Superhub will enable Neoen to produce renewable hydrogen for overseas export markets, and create 300 construction and ongoing jobs for South Australia.”

The Labor government, of course, is in full election mode, with a state poll due on March 17 and the results on a knife-edge. It has made a string of project and funding announcements, and unveiled a 75 per cent renewable energy target for 2025, along with a 750MW storage target.

The state already sources 50 per cent of its electricity from wind and solar, and the Australian Energy Market Operator says this could rise to 73 per cent as early as 2020/21, and up to 80 per cent by 2026/27.


Franck Woitiez, the head of Neon’s Australian operations, says the project will aim to produce hydrogen at internationally “cost competitive” rates, allowing for the export of hydrogen gas, which will compete with LNG.

“This project aims to take South Australia made renewable electricity in the form of hydrogen based compounds to important national and international markets in Asia and beyond,” he said.

“It has the potential to reach beyond our electricity grids, and supply South Australia’s locally produced clean energy to other states and to our nearby trading partners.”

Neoen is already committed to a hydrogen project for the ACT government, part of its winning tender for stage 3 of the Hornsdale wind farm, which will contribute towards the territory’s 100 per cent renewable electricity by 2020 target.



The ultimate hydrogen future energy continues overleaf

The very obvious future energy supply is cropping up everywhere as the all electric fad prepares to pass into history once again.



A hydrogen-fuelled bus. These vehicles will be on Adelaide's roads by 2020. Hydrogen buses just the ticket for a greener South Australia.
November 1, 2017 12:30am


A hydrogen-fuelled bus. These vehicles will be on Adelaide's roads by 2020.

HYDROGEN-fuelled buses will be seen on Adelaide’s roads before 2020, as part of a new three-year trial powered by the State Government’s ambitions to clean up its transport fleet and build a new export industry.

Expressions of interest for the $9 million trial covering six buses closed on October 9, after which short-listed parties were invited to tender for the project.

A site at Mile End South, currently being developed as an interpeak bus stabling facility, could also host the fuelling station, according to tender documents released by the SA Government.

The fuel station is the first step in long-term plans to build an export industry that feeds into anticipated growing demand for hydrogen from overseas, particularly South Korea and Japan. A hydrogen road map was released in September, also calling for proposals for projects under a $150 million renewable technology fund by October 23.

The bus trial will see the six vehicles powered by electricity from an on-board fuel cell stack, fuelled by hydrogen gas.

One of the tender conditions is for the gas to be produced through electrolysis — a process of using electricity to split water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen — using South Australian renewable energy sources.

Several other states across Australia are trying to go green with hydrogen.

A Victorian council — Moreland — is undertaking a $9 million effort to run 12 of its 18 garbage trucks on hydrogen by early 2020, with plans to establish a hydrogen fuelling station by late 2019.

The ACT Government has earmarked $180 million for hydrogen projects, including a fleet of cars and a refuelling station.

WA completed a three-year trial in 2007 that saw three hydrogen fuel cell Transperth buses cover more than 260,000km and carry more than 330,000 passengers during that time.

High costs and the lack of ability to produce and distribute sufficient low-cost, emissions-free hydrogen were some of the challenges back then.

New technology improvements, including a CSIRO trial that provides Australia with a key export advantage, the focus on clean green environments, the need for energy security and the potential export demand, are favouring investment in hydrogen.

In May, CSIRO announced a two-year trial to test the commercial potential of a thin metal membrane it has developed that allows hydrogen to be transported in the form of ammonia and then reconverted back to hydrogen at the point of use.

The trial is backed by Toyota Australia and Hyundai, which have imported some fuel cell-powered cars here for demonstration purposes.

Australia does not have any fuel-cell cars for sale yet, although these are manufactured globally for the US, which has hydrogen refuelling stations.

Energy Minister Tom Koutsantonis says he hopes people will drive across the state in a hydrogen-fuelled vehicle, topping up at a statewide network of refuelling stations within a decade.

“If we move now, South Australia can lead the nation in the transition to a clean, safe and sustainable hydrogen economy,” Mr Koutsantonis says.

OTHER HYDROGEN FUEL CELL PILOTS

WA — Perth (2004-2007)
A $10m trial involved three hydrogen fuel cell buses in the Transperth fleet, operated by Path Transit, and covered more than 260,000km and carried more than 330,000 passengers during that time.

Perth was the only southern hemisphere participant in the international trial, along with Hamburg, Stuttgart, Luxembourg, Stockholm, London, Barcelona, Amsterdam, Reykjavik, Madrid, Porto and Beijing.

Victoria — Moreland
The $10 million project, announced in May, will see 12 of the council’s 18 trucks run on hydrogen fuel cells by 2020.

Hydrogen utility company H2U and international vehicle manufacturer CNH Industrial are set to develop the hydrogen fuel cell trucks.

The renewable hydrogen will be generated using electrolysis and a mix of storm water harvesting and solar generation, as well as power purchased from wind farms.

ACT — Canberra
Neoen and Megawatt Capital (developers of the Hornsdale Wind Farm) will invest $55 million in partnership with Siemens and Hyundai to establish a 1.25MW hydrogen electrolyser in Canberra, which converts electricity to hydrogen.

The project includes a refuelling station and service centre and an initial fleet of 20 hydrogen-fuelled cars, including a technical support and research program. It’s part of the Government’s $180 million hydrogen plan.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/newadelaide/hydrogen-buses-just-the-ticket-for-a-g...

If Hydrogen can be produced for not more than the price of LNG it will be a huge boon to mankind and to Australia if it leads in the technology.

Electric cars are here to stay whether or not hydrogen fuel is developed. Electric cars are more energy efficient than combustion engine powered cars.

As usual LostSnail just doesn't get it. He/she shouldn't try to discuss technical matters as he/she just doesn't have the nous for it.

Of course LostSnail won't understand a word of what follows but who cares.


Some 200 hundred years ago there were misguided people saying electric cars are here to stay - they didn't when the starter motor was invented.

The FUNDAMENTAL problem with the all electric heaps is the long recharge time.

Of course the Greeny types will chime in and say Oh that's when you sit down and enjoy a sandwich.

Have you Greeny types ever been to a filling station and watched the many cars and trucks pull in refuel and take off in 10 minutes or so ?

Why don't they hang around for half an hour ? Because they are busy getting on with deliveries etc and time is money.


All electric is really only suitable for cars and perhaps limited range trucks despite Tesla having a sort of truck with a short range.


The other problem that is bedevilling all electric is the battery fires as many Teslas have shown.

As word gets around that all electric cars are fiery death traps just watch the public run away.


On the other hand hydrogen is a direct replacement for petrol and diesel with quick refuel times and can power everything from cars to big trucks.


And now the new very attractive feature of hydrogen is it can be exported. Now you can't really export electricity.

Hydrogen is the new energy storage for renewable wind and solar.


Up she goes!!!!!

Now a very refreshing change from the Greeny type bulldust leaking out of DDH.



SA backs 2nd renewables-to-gas hydrogen plant, in Tonsley
By Sophie Vorrath on 21 February 2018



SA is set to host its 2nd hydrogen production and distribution facility, with the construction of a 1.25MW Siemens electrolyser that will produce hydrogen using electricity from the grid and potentially on-site solar.

The $11.4 mill project, announced on Wednesday by the Australian Gas Infrastructure Group (AGIG), will be built at the Tonsely Innovation Disctrict in Adelaide – the industrial suburb built around the former Mitsubishi car manufacturing plant.

It is not the only example of power to gas technology being developed in Australia, or in SA, for that matter.

Earlier this month, the SA govt announced funding for a 15MW renewable-H2 electrolyser plant to be built near the end of the grid at Port Lincoln on the Eyre Peninsula,

The Port Lincoln facility – to be built by Hydrogen Utility (H2U), working with Germany’s thyssenkrupp – will include a 10MW H2-fired gas turbine, fuelled by local wind and solar power, and a 5MW H2 fuel cell. It remains to be seen which SA project will be completed first.

And in the ACT back in 2016, Neoen and Megawatt Capital announced plans invest $55 mill in partnership with Siemens and Hyundai to establish a 1.25MW H2 electrolyser, including a H2 refuelling station and service centre and an initial fleet of 20 H2 fuelled cars, including a technical support and research program.

The news of the SA Tonsley project coincides with a separate announcement from Carnegie Clean Energy, of its own plans to transform the former Adelaide General Motors Holden factory into a solar and battery storage microgrid, with backing from the SA govt.

And of course the SA govt had a fairly major announcement of its own on Wednesday, revealing pre-election policy plans to boost its renewable energy target to 75% by 2025, and to introduce the nation’s first “energy storage target” of 750MW by the same date.

The hydrogen produced by the Tonsley-based power-to-gas demonstration plant – to be known as Hydrogen Park SA (HyP SA) – will be injected into AGIG’s local gas network. intially to power the Tonsley Innovation District – but with the ability to supply a proposed residential development in the area and other remote customers through tube and trailer facilities.

As one of the 1st major demonstration of the technology, the facility is also expected to play a crucial role in showing how electrolysers can be integrated into electricity networks around the country, to support energy stability as more renewable energy generation capacity comes onto the grid.

Like the newly announced microgrid at the former Holden plant, the Hydrogen Park project has been awarded grant funding from the SA govt – in this case, $4.9 mill from the $150 mill Renewable Technology Fund.

“We are delighted that SA will lead the way with this pioneering technology,” AGIG’s Andrew Staniford said on Wednesday.

“The project is expected to be the 1st in Australia where renewable electricity is stored and distributed in the gas network as H2, providing an additional market for fluctuating renewable electricity and thereby also improving the economics of renewable electricity.

“And importantly, it propels SA’s status as a leader in renewable technology and a first mover in hydrogen,” Staniford said.

Jeff Connolly, CEO and chair of Siemens Aust said his company was excited to be a part of delivering “proven and world leading H2 technology” to Australia.

“It’s pleasing to see H2 become reality since we began driving this conversation in Australia only a few short years ago,” he said from the CEDA: Economic and Political Overview in Adelaide event in Adelaide on Wednesday.

“Reticulating H2 into the gas network supports de-carbonisation of the state.

“It also supports the development of a domestic market for H2 which I believe can lead to Australia becoming a renewable energy export superpower if we harness the untapped renewable assets of the country.”

Siemens’ electrolyser technology will use proton exchange membrane (PEM), which are designed to operate in highly variable conditions such as those created by renewable energy generation.

According to Siemens, PEM Electrolysers have a very fast start-up time and can quickly absorb excess renewable energy from a power system, converting water into hydrogen and oxygen.

“These utility scale electrolysers can, with surgical precision, be energized and de-energized in less than 10 secs, capturing excess energy from the grid when energised,” Siemens said.

Essentially, it added, they play a demand side management role within the energy system, and may be used as a tool to keep the grid in balance.

“This is about using inexpensive or free energy, which would otherwise be spilled to produce a clean form of stored energy that has many value streams – 100% pure H2, with the only by-product being 100% pure oxygen.”

https://reneweconomy.com.au/sa-backs-second-renewables-gas-hydrogen-plant-tonsle...

Unforgiven wrote on May 27^th, 2018 at 11:14pm:



Hydrogen cars are electric cars, they just don't have a 1 tonne battery that runs out after 300 kms.

BigOl64 wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 9:06am:

no just a hydrogen bomb(hydrogen is highly corrosive) at 10000psi waiting to explode and 3 times the machinery to make it work.... ohh and electric cars r going 600km's now

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 9:13am:


Still an electric car.


If you put enough batteries in a car you can 1000 kms if you  want. Still a sh1t load heavier than a hydrogen car and longer to 'refuel'. The QLD waste millions in putting charging station up the QLD coast in some of the podunk villages. Most have never seen an use. Probably get vandalised before they ever see any use.

Why do you think only 2% of cars sold are battery cars, I mean they are the most fkking fantastic invention since sliced bread, aren't they?

It will be a long time before they replace hydrocarbon vehicle unless government forces the change.

The Greeny type DDH is like an annoying mosquito that just won't go away.

DDH's technical inadequacy is there for all to see and quickly look away with his childishly silly description of a hydrogen car.

Why are Greeny types always so childish and totally unable to argue anything ?

A car's type is determined by the fuel it uses hence petrol, diesel, LPG, LNG, hydrogen, electric but Greeny type DDH will never be able to understand this.

And don't those Greeny types HATE facts which destroy their Greeny bulldust fantasies.

Australia the leading hydrogen exporting country in the world. A testament to Mal's futuristic vision.

In the mean time Bill Shorten is plotting and planning to RESTART the BOATS and STEAL MONEY from the PENSIONERS.



Hydrogen touted as fuel of the future
By Cole Latimer Updated10 October 2017 — 3:31pmfirst published at 1:13pm

Hydrogen will transform the transport industry and could eventually replace natural gas, Arup's environment and resources leader Mike Straughton says.

Speaking at the Australian Financial Review's National Energy Summit, Mr Straughton outlined the increasing importance of hydrogen as a future energy source, saying it had "moved beyond the Hindenburg".


The number of hydrogen-powered cars on the road will number into the millions by 2030.Photo: Peter DaSilva

Mr Straughton said hydrogen would play an increasing role in powering the nation, and could eventually replace natural gas.
"Fundamentally, where natural gas is used in turbines, hydrogen could be substituted as a key fuel," he said.


Hyundai says its new hydrogen fuel cell vehicle will travel more than 580 kilometres between fill-ups. Photo: AP

Major energy companies are also exploring the space. Shell and Total SA have invested in the Hydrogen Council, with the industry forecasting total investment of $US10.7 billion ($13.7 billion) over the next five years.

It is also expected to support the transformation of the transport industry, with growth in fuel cell electric vehicles predicted to be within the millions globally by 2030.

Mr Straughton said that "hydrogen fuel cells make more sense than batteries for long distance transport".

Hydrogen-powered vehicles also have zero emissions, only expelling water vapour.

Trials are already underway using hydrogen-powered vehicles in Victoria. Moreland Council and the Victorian state government launched a world first project last month to run the council's entire fleet on hydrogen fuel. South Australia is also aiming to integrate hydrogen powered buses into its Adelaide public transport network.

The CSIRO flagged hydrogen as a new pillar for the oil and gas industry in its most recent sector roadmap.

"The renewed interest in hydrogen in many parts of the world represents an appealing way to diversify and to help contribute to lowering the carbon intensity of the energy sector," the CSIRO said.



https://www.smh.com.au/business/hydrogen-touted-as-fuel-of-the-future-20171010-g...

BigOl64 wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 9:06am:


They have a lot of batteries in them apparently.

juliar wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 10:37am:

Ok Australia isn't exporting any hydrogen so its a propaganda piece from the first sentence...
not really worth a look just pollies speaking Jules Talk

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 12:13pm:


You forgot to add that the average battler can charge up their EV's at home using FREE energy from the sun.

Yes repeat after me socko.

FREE energy from the sun !!

juliar wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 2:04pm:

Volvo are making BEV garbage trucks now and it wouldn't cost 9 million to just set up a charger for them  and would use 5 times less electricity to run

Governments r well known to spend money on things that wont work, i guess time will tell if these r White Elephant's.
Tesla in Australia r about the only ev car seller and no help from the government have made up a super fast charging network from Adelaide to Brissy for their vehicles and have only just begun.
All these hydrogen plants are costing 100 of millions of dollars and all paid for by the government's, shell and the other fossil fuel companies are pressing for this stuff, i guess they need more off the government after all the Fossil Fuel Handouts  

Sir lastnail wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 12:00pm:



What the fkk are you on about, dolt?

BigOl64 wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 2:43pm:


look at sockos own image dopey.

This is from 5 years ago so just imagine the hydrogen that is flowing in Trump territory today.



DOE DRIVES HYDROGEN CAR FUELING PUSH
PETE DANKO MAY 15, 2013

There are just 5,800 publicly available EV charging stations in the United States and people say that’s a roadblock to selling more electric vehicles. So imagine the challenge for fuel-cell vehicles: In the whole country, there are just 76 fueling stations (out of 203 worldwide), and most of them are private.

This lack of fueling infrastructure is an obvious, giant hydrogen hurdle that the U.S. Department of Energy, once seen as lukewarm on hydrogen, is now aiming to do something about. This week the DOE launched H2USA, described as a “public-private partnership focused on advancing hydrogen infrastructure to support more transportation energy options for U.S. consumers, including fuel cell electric vehicles (FCEVs).”


Hydrogen fueling station in California (image via California Fuel Cell Partnership)

There’s a whole gaggle of groups and companies involved – the American Gas Association, Association of Global Automakers, the California Fuel Cell Partnership, the Electric Drive Transportation Association, the Fuel Cell and Hydrogen Energy Association, Hyundai Motor America, ITM Power, Massachusetts Hydrogen Coalition, Mercedes-Benz USA, Nissan North America Research and Development, Proton OnSite and Toyota Motor North America.

Four names in particular there stand out immediately: Hyundai, Mercedes-Benz, Nissan and Toyota. Yep, the carmakers.

Hyundai in particular is of note here. As we reported not long ago, the Korean company has stepped up in the battle to be the first to get mass produced fuel cell vehicles to market in the 2015-16 range. In February, Hyundai celebrated the first ix35 rolling off the assembly line at Hyundai Plant No. 4 in Ulsan, South Korea.

In all, Hyundai said it will build 1,000 ix35 fuel cell vehicles by 2015 “for lease to public and private fleets, primarily in Europe, where the European Union has established a hydrogen road map and initiated construction of hydrogen fueling stations.”

Perhaps H2USA will help get more of those cars to the U.S.?

One things that’s especially interesting about the initiative is its apparent tie-in with the boom in natural gas, courtesy hydraulic fracturing and more widespread use of horizontal drilling. From the DOE:

Through H2USA, industry and government partners will focus on identifying actions to encourage early adopters of fuel cell electric vehicles, conduct coordinated technical and market analysis, and evaluate alternative fueling infrastructure that can enable cost reductions and economies of scale.

For example, infrastructure being developed for alternative fuels such as natural gas, as well as fuel cell applications including tri-generation that produce heat, power, and hydrogen from natural gas or biogas, may also provide low cost hydrogen for vehicles.

In addition, increased fuel cell deployment for combined heat and power, back-up power systems, and fuel cell forklifts can help pave the way for mainstream hydrogen vehicle infrastructure.

http://earthtechling.com/2013/05/doe-drives-hydrogen-car-infrastructure-effort/

Hey socko. Do they offer free fill ups at your hydrogen fool bowsers like Tesla offers its customers free fill ups for the life of the car ? LOL

BigOl64 wrote on May 29^th, 2018 at 11:30am:


well you'd know all about being poor waiting around on centerlink payments for the never-ever adani job LOL

juliar wrote on May 31^st, 2018 at 6:08pm:


Really. It's free for the life of the car in case you hadn't noticed. Worth a lot more than 2K socko. Just add up the equivalent fossil fool costs at the fool bowser and you can see why old oily doesn't even give you a full tank of fool at purchase time. So fricken stingy

And how much extra do you pay to get your fossil fool car serviced socko ?

lee wrote on May 31^st, 2018 at 9:12pm:


Still praying are you LOL

Don't worry the chinese are building EV's left right and center and aussies will import them just like they import everything else

lee wrote on May 31^st, 2018 at 9:26pm:


Don't worry Elon Musk is offering all of the design patents for free and the chinese are good at copying so it's a match made in heaven for all EV manufacturers.

Sir lastnail wrote on May 31^st, 2018 at 9:09pm:

Its actually a great marketing tool ,the free Stations because most charging is done at home, Hydrogen car Manufactures (Toyota and Honda) are both have to spring for free fuel for hydrogen and it definitely cant be fuelled at home and its US $17 a litre.

lee wrote on May 31^st, 2018 at 9:37pm:


he changed his mind because of people like you knowing they were never going to do anything else except wheel out next years clunker yet once again.

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lee wrote on Jun 1^st, 2018 at 2:44pm:

A SEED OF DOUBT, LOL!

lee is turning tides as we speak 

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TheFunPolice wrote on Jun 1^st, 2018 at 2:50pm:



Nope a stone cold certainty. Sarcasm is so often lost in the printed word.

Gee the lulus are out with the FULL MOON. It always happens.

Gosh what a trio - LostSnail and DDH and Futility in search of Failure all howling at the moon - you can't get much worse than that.

Their combined knowledge wouldn't fill a tea cup.

Now back to the TOPIC which the normally off topic normally ignored Greeny types think is just an excuse to try to get noticed.


Wow! What a snorter!!!  Makes the fire death trap Tesla look really drab.


Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell Vehicle



Now have a look at the gleaming hydrogen cars of the future which are here now

https://inhabitat.com/toyota-unveils-mirai-hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-with-300-mile-...


Wonder if Tesla is going to bring out a modern hydrogen car to replace their aging already obsolete all electric heaps ?

juliar wrote on Jun 1^st, 2018 at 5:11pm:

Looks like a Prius with the KIT treatment.... and how many of these world changers have been sold in the 3-4 years Jules ? don't they have to include $15000 dollars worth of Hydrogen and leases half there cost to just get rid of them ?

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2018 at 8:57am:



Better still try google and learn for yourself. Then maybe you could make an informed comment.

Until then you are merely blathering.

And I think seeing as Musk has patents he knows how the system works.

lee wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2018 at 12:06pm:

your the one with a bee in his bonnet about Tesla getting patients I really dont give a toss Lee 

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 4^th, 2018 at 3:03pm:



Yeah. you were just the one spouting bulsh!t about patents; when you didn't have a clue.

lee wrote on Jun 4^th, 2018 at 3:10pm:

ohh the circle starts again
I said Tesla have opened some of their patents for anyone to use. anything after that is your crap Lee......

LostSnail and DDh are competing to see who is the worst.

The baffling attention seeking technical ignorance of the Greeny types defies description.

But then that is why they are so naive and gullible as to be sucked in by the Greeny bulldust.

But leaving the Greeny bulldust waffle in the dust and back to reality.

When you see the development in the obvious choice of hydrogen for the future they make the already obsolete Tesla fire death traps look really drab.

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Toyota’s hydrogen-powered Mirai went on sale in Japan way back in 2015 and now Japan is looking to import hydrogen from AUSTRALIA.



12 Best Electric Cars and Trucks Powered by Hydrogen Fuel Cells
Feb 19, 2018

VIDEO: 12 Best Electric Cars and Trucks Powered by Hydrogen Fuel Cells

Automotive Territory: Trending News & Car Reviews — via YouTube

Even though today hydrogen fuel cell technology is being vastly out played by all-electric powertrains, many manufacturers are determined to develop both technologies letting science discoveries and rate of progress to determine which one is here to stay.

Hydrogen cars can provide long range, take minutes to refuel and emit only water, this is why they deserve your attention, so welcome to the list of 12 best hydrogen powered automobiles. Enjoy the ride.

https://atwarwiththedinosaurs.com/12-best-electric-cars-and-trucks-powered-by-hy...

That is even uglier than a Prius.... still not even 1 of those in aus yet....

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 8^th, 2018 at 11:03pm:



you do have a link to prove this?
Oh, The claim was made by a Tesla co-founder.

The Rise of Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicles is now inevitable as people realize the all electrics are fiery deathtraps.

Zero Emission Fuel Cells
Article by Randy MacEwen, President & CEO Jan. 23, 2018

KPMG recently published its 19th consecutive Global Automotive Executive Survey 2018. 

The survey concluded, “There will not be a single solitary drivetrain technology: Executives project a similar split by 2040 for
”

The report also noted, “FCEVs have replaced BEVs as this year’s #1 key trend until 2025.”  Yes, you read that correctly – hydrogen fuel cell vehicles top the list as the key trend.

Notwithstanding inflammatory commentary by some well-known electric car proponents, Ballard is very excited about the long-term opportunity for fuel cell electric passenger cars.  Here’s why.


hydrogen fuel cell vehicles

7 Reasons Why the World is Ready for Fuel Cell Passenger Cars

1. The Market is Massive
Most people know from personal experience that the global automotive industry is huge. Consider the following two ways to evaluate the size of the market.

First, let’s consider the market as a function of the aggregate sales price of new cars sold each year. There are 80 million cars sold each year globally. At an average selling price of US$19k, this translates to a US$1.5 trillion annual market. This is equivalent to approximately 2% of global GDP.

Second, let’s consider the total addressable market as a function of the number of miles driven each year. There are 10 trillion miles traveled annually by the global population of cars.  At an average cost of US$1/mile, this implies a market size of US$10 trillion. This is equivalent to approximately 13% of global GDP.

Here are a few additional facts to punctuate the size of the automotive market.  Transportation is the second largest expense for US households, and 70% of total US petroleum usage is for transportation.

Consistent with the results in the KPMG survey, we also believe there will be a number of drivetrain solutions to meet differing market requirements and use cases for passenger vehicles. We also believe FCEVs will play an important role in a certain number of these use cases.

2. Attractive FCEV Targets are Being Set
A key industry development in 2017 was the formation of the Hydrogen Council, launched at the World Economic Forum in Davos. The Hydrogen Council is a global initiative of leading energy, transport and industry companies with a united vision of hydrogen as a key part of the future energy transition.  The Hydrogen Council has the following target for FCEVs in 2030:

350,000 commercial trucks
50,000 buses
Thousands of trains and ships
1 in 12 cars sold in California, Germany, Japan and South Korea
and the following target for FCEVs in 2050:

15 to 20 million commercial trucks
5 million buses
25% of passenger ships
20% of trains
400 million passenger cars
3. The Need for Deep Decarbonization
The heightened interest in electrification, including in FCEVs, is being driven in part by the global movement towards addressing climate change and air pollution through decarbonization. This direction was highlighted in 2017 with several countries proposing or passing laws that would ban ICE-based vehicles.

Britain and France each outlined a plan to ban ICEs in vehicles by 2040.
India is targeting all vehicles on the road to be powered by clean energy by 2030.
In Norway, over 20% of new vehicles sold today are electric and the government wants 100% of sales to be zero-emission by 2025. The Netherlands is also following suit. Germany is reviewing a similar objective.
There is indication that the California Air Resources Board is also considering a move toward zero-emission vehicles.
China is reviewing a timeline for banning ICEs.
In 2017, we also saw unprecedented developments at the city level when 12 of the C40 cities – including London, Paris, Los Angeles, Copenhagen, Barcelona, Vancouver, Mexico City, Milan, and Seattle – signed the “C40 Fossil-Fuel-Free Streets Declaration” – establishing a target of procuring only zero-emission transit buses by the year 2025. Over the next few years, we expect more countries and cities to set up plans to ban ICE-based vehicles.

One important consideration that has received relatively low attention is the true “wells to wheels” GHG analysis for alternative powertrain technologies. BEVs are characterized as zero tailpipe emissions. This is true. However, it’s also important to consider the GHG and other emissions associated with:

the electricity required to recharge batteries

Read rest of the inevitable rise of FCEV and the inevitable decline of BEV here

http://blog.ballard.com/hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicles

Silly dumb normally ignored DDH is trying to sound intelligent to try to get attention. Didn't work.

What will kill electric cars - they are death traps.

Are Electric Vehicles a Fire Hazard? Lithium-ion batteries have risks, but they can be managed to prevent fires in EVs.
by Kevin Bullis  November 26, 2013

In the past two months, three Tesla Motors Model S electric cars have caught fire after their lithium-ion battery packs were damaged. Last week the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said it would investigate whether Tesla’s Model S needs to be modified to prevent further fires.


Burn out: The front end of a Tesla Model S was consumed in flames after its battery was damaged.

In two cases, the cars ran over large metal objects at highway speed; the third car hit a concrete wall. No one was hurt: a warning system allowed the drivers to pull the car over and get out before smoke started coming from the battery pack, and the design of the battery pack slowed the spread of the fire, which never made it into the passenger compartments. Tesla has said it will cover fires in its warranty, so the cost won’t be felt by owners. And Tesla founder Elon Musk argues that the fires are still very rare.

Even so, the incidents have drawn attention to the safety of the batteries used in electric vehicles (see “Early Data Suggests Collision-Caused Fires Are More Frequent in the Tesla Model S than Conventional Cars”). They are also just the latest examples of lithium-ion battery fires in electric vehicles—we’ve seen fires with the Chevy Volt and Fisker Karma plug-in vehicles. Boeing’s 787 Dreamliner was grounded because of problems with its new lithium-ion batteries.

There are inherent risks when you store enough energy to propel a two-ton car at 75 miles an hour for hundreds of miles. After all, thousands of gasoline-powered cars catch fire in collisions each year. In principle, those risks can be managed through structural design and cooling. But could the lithium-ion battery cells themselves be made safer?

Electric-vehicle battery packs are made of hundreds to thousands of battery cells, each of which contains a flammable liquid electrolyte. Managing the risks of lithium-ion battery fires comes down to two things: keeping the electrolyte from catching fire, and keeping a fire from spreading if it does happen.

However, lithium-ion battery cells themselves can sometimes generate enough heat to ignite the electrolyte in a process known as thermal runaway. Short-circuits between the two electrodes in a battery cell, for example, can heat up the electrodes. If these electrodes get too hot, the heat can trigger chemical reactions that quickly generate more heat until the electrolytes burst into flame. This seems to be what happened in the Tesla fires, when damage to the battery packs caused short-circuits leading to thermal runaway.

Short circuits can be the result of manufacturing defects, but battery makers have become very good at preventing those. When batteries are used as intended, there’s only one fire for every 100 million lithium-ion battery cells out there, says Jeff Dahn, professor of physics and chemistry at Dalhousie University. Tesla also guards against thermal runaway events with an extensive liquid cooling system designed to cool the cells so fast that if one cell catches fire, its neighbors won’t.

If, however, multiple cells are damaged, the cooling system might not be enough. “If the Tesla pack is abused severely by a large metal object thrust through the pack, it will probably have a fire in most instances,” Dahn says.

Tesla further protects the battery pack with a quarter-inch-thick plate of hardened aluminum. In many cases, this seems to work. The Model S earned the highest safety ratings from NHTSA after crash tests. But the protection didn’t prove to be enough in the case of the fires.

Tesla also built a firewall between the pack and the passenger compartment. “That firewall is designed so that even if the pack does go into thermal runaway, it does not penetrate the passenger compartment,” Musk says.

Since the accidents, Tesla sent out a software update that changes the settings on the Model S suspension so that the battery pack is higher off the ground at highways speeds, making it less likely to hit the sort of chunks of metal that caused two of the fires.

Beyond making battery packs safer, it’s also possible to make the cells themselves safer by switching to electrode materials that store less energy but can withstand higher temperatures before thermal runaway starts. Some other automakers have done this, but the resulting battery packs cost more. It’s not clear that Tesla has selected electrode materials to improve the safety of individual cells.

Musk says it would be possible to increase the thickness of the aluminum plating that protects the battery pack. But that would add considerable weight that would hurt the car’s performance and lower its range on a charge. He says that he doesn’t think this will be necessary, since the current safety measures have protected drivers, and he expects that there won’t be many fires.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/521976/are-electric-vehicles-a-fire-hazard/

Badluck socko. Only one hydrogen refueling station in Norway vs 150,000 EV's LOL

Too late now socko. You should have had hydrogen cars 20 years ago like you said you were

Like I keep saying who wants to get ripped off at the fool bowser when you can charge up your EV at home Show this to longprong. He is full of sh.t too LOL

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 8^th, 2018 at 11:03pm:




don
You do realize this is a scam Jules.


Lee
you do have a link to prove this?
Oh, The claim was made by a Tesla co-founder. 

don   
what that amazon has bought a hydrogen company and do u want to buy shares for this unnamed company.......
LEE
No. But go ahead tell us. You are dying to; you know that.    

This is what happens when u just cut and paste one line  with no idea what your talking about.......

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 14^th, 2018 at 11:36am:



"Now another Tesla co-founder, Marc Tarpenning, went a little further than Straubel and called hydrogen fuel cells a “scam”. "

https://electrek.co/2016/05/23/tesla-founder-marc-tarpenning-hydrogen-fuel-cells...

"Last week the company signed a deal with fuel cell innovator Plug Power for a new generation of zero-emission, hydrogen-powered electric forklifts and other equipment at its fulfillment centers."

https://www.triplepundit.com/2017/04/amazon-hydrogen-fuell-cell/

So how does Plug Power become an "unnamed company"?

Only one hydrogen fool bowser in the whole of Norway vs 150,000 EV's. The hydrogen future is nearer socko LOL

juliar wrote on Jun 15^th, 2018 at 11:55am:


And if you live in Norway you'd better not travel to far away from their ONE and only hydrogen fool bowser LOL

This drooling story continues...


Hydrogen cars use a “fuel cell” under the bonnet to create electricity.

The electricity that has been generated in the “fuel cell” in turn powers the on-board battery pack, drives the wheels, or does both.

Some overseas hydrogen refuel points are located adjacent to regular petrol stations.

To refuel, owners simply attach a nozzle to the car in a similar way LPG tanks are refilled.



https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/motoring/hitech/hyundai-nexo-hydro...

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 14^th, 2018 at 11:36am:

so lee back to this original article did u follow the link and give this company your email address to get their report..... if not why... because it might look like a scam and not giving them your personal details.....

Bit of fool drool from the obnoxious trolls.


Renewable hydrogen (H) could fuel Australia's next export boom after CSIRO breakthrough
By Rebecca Turner Updated 12 May 2017, 1:00pm

Australia's next big export industry could be its sunlight and wind, as game-changing technology makes it easier to transport and deliver their energy as hydrogen.

Industry players are even talking up renewable hydrogen as the next liquefied natural gas (LNG) industry, which could supply hydrogen to power cars, buses, trucks and trains in Japan, South Korea and even Europe.

Their plans have been given a boost by a CSIRO-developed metal membrane, which allows the high-purity hydrogen, needed for hydrogen-powered cars, to be separated from ammonia.



CSIRO principal research scientist Michael Dolan said the technology, now being trialled on an industrial scale in Australia, was "the missing link" that allowed H to be transported and used as an energy source.

"One of the great problems with H is that it's difficult to transport over long distances because it has such a low density," he told ABC News.

"Ammonia is a very nice way of transporting H from point A to point B — be it from Australia to Japan, for example — because it actually has a higher hydrogen density than liquid H."

The technology the CSIRO has developed can then be applied at the point of use, converting ammonia back into hydrogen for use in transport fleets.

Dr Dolan said the technology had the potential to turn Australia into a renewable energy superpower.

"Hydrogen is the ultimate clean fuel. The only emission arising in the use of hydrogen is water. You can also manufacturer hydrogen completely renewably," he said.

While there are only 4 H cars in Australia — produced by Hyundai and Toyota — South Korea already has hydrogen-powered taxis on its streets.

"There's potentially a very big market for the technology, given these cars are starting to get onto the road in pretty big numbers in Asia and Europe," Dr Dolan said.

In Japan, the 2020 Tokyo Olympics will be a showcase of its dream of becoming a "hydrogen society", as it shifts away from nuclear power after the Fukushima disaster.

While a long way behind these countries, Australian govts are beginning to actively embrace the potential of H as a clean alternative fuel source — and export industry.


INFOGRAPHIC: How renewable H is produced. (Supplied: Renewable Hydrogen)

SA, for example, is looking to invest in hydrogen projects via a $150 million clean energy fund as it tries to secure its energy supplies.

The ACT Govt announced last year it would spend $180 million on hydrogen projects, including a fleet of cars and a refuelling station.

It comes as the Australian Renewable Energy Agency recently made the exporting of renewable energy such as H one of its top priorities for $800 million of investment.

Companies line up for H
One of the key players in the industry is Andrew Want, the managing director of Renewable H — a company involved in projects in New South Wales, South Australia and Western Australia.

Describing the industry as bottling and shipping sunlight on an industrial scale, Mr Want said renewable H was at a similar stage as LNG in the 1970s, when technology allowed natural gas to be liquefied and transported.

"We genuinely have another LNG industry on our hands, exporting energy," he said.

Mr Want said a renewable H export industry was nearing commercial viability, with the CSIRO technology an important development.

GIF: CSIRO-developed membrane extracts H from ammonia

"What the CSIRO technology is on the cusp of achieving is using renewable ammonia as a very efficient way to transport H — and that's a game-changer," he said.

"It means Korea, Japan, the whole of SE Asia can now import Australian renewable energy in the form of renewable H.

"Using the CSIRO technology, they can 'crack' the H back out and run transport vehicles on it, zero carbon."

One company investigating the potential is Norwegian company Yara, which exports ammonia from its production plant in WA's Pilbara.

Yara is working towards a trial involving a 2.5MW solar array to power its electrolysis process, with the possibility of eventually fuelling its entire operations using the region's abundant sunlight.

The local Mayor, Peter Long from the City of Karratha, is a champion of the industry in a region well-placed to capitalise on its abundant sunlight, export facilities and gas infrastructure.

"It's totally renewable, [could provide] jobs forever and we can actually export the H gas overseas to Japan," he said.

Tomorrow's "H society" may still be a dream — but the Pilbara and Australia appear to be well-placed to play a key role.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-11/hydrogen-breakthrough-could-fuel-renewable...